>have large Premodern collection
>get into Premodern about 4 years ago
>play in local events and accumulate more cards
>endless sour grapes posted online about card prices, especially after the last price explosion
Wishing we could put the genie back in the bottle and return to a fun niche format, so I'm glad the price is keeping people out. So many shitheads have joined my community in this last year fleeing the WOTC formats and they're awful to play with. Old School gods truly understood this and I wish Premodern had been gatekept similarly instead of pushed outward

>>97654950
I didn't jump in on premodern because it felt too far away from the formats I liked from the older eras (notably block constructed) but I feel similar over cubing. Weird to see so many people jump into cube as the solution to their problems in recent years, only to then stuff their cubes with all of the archetypes and design mistakes that have ruined current magic and then complain that cube feels power crept. It is like they don't understand the most basic lesson of cube, that you can make it how you want.

>Can MTG be great again?
No. EDH is MTG. And that's all there is.

>>97655004
>I am, I just win in spite of it because I am one of the best players in the world.
I seriously don't know if this is ironic.
>meanwhile you are trimming lands to jam more common draft filler cards into your deck then complaining when your 8/8 all-basic manabase inevitably fucks you over when you try to cast your 1BBB 4-drop.
deckbuilding.
I could accept the little bird BB cost as something that could be retarded not going a little hard on swamps, not that it happened.
You didn't see the mana curve if you really think that a deck were everything but 4 cards costs 3 or less needs more than 16 lands (even 15 would be fine)
>you don't even understand the basics of Limited
No, I don't understand the basics of arena rigging, and I bet if you played IRL you would always lose at least 2 rounds every draft or limited tournament.

>new thread
>4 posts in 2 hours
Fuck WOTC they are unironically killing MTG

>>97655136
/edhg/ is doing fine.

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https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/designing-red-white-alliance-in-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles
The red pizza was allowed when the Arena devs assured them you wouldn't die if you 2 extra to pay the lifegain if you were at 3 or less life.

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Are there any cards that become problematic enough in constructed that this effect couldn't be printed on a 1-drop?

>>97655155
No

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>>97655155
Probably only this.

I played a little today the new TMNT set... What a fucking trash of a set I can't believe someone thought this is appealing in any way...

>>97655210
>What a fucking trash of a set I can't believe someone thought this is appealing in any way...
But anon, just think of how much money WotC will be able to make by scamming distributors!

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>Film company counting every empty seat in every theater their movie shows at as "sales"
>Supermarket counting all the expired food they have to throw away as "sales"
>Game developer counting every instance of their game on a wishlist as "sales"

Just in case you weren't aware,
Obligatory reminder that Mark Rosewater is a liar.

>tgcplayer sales figures
Irrelevant. Lot has been sold to them.

>>97655231
>>Film company counting every empty seat in every theater their movie shows at as "sales"
True
>>Supermarket counting all the expired food they have to throw away as "sales"
Wotc is the one selling to the supermarkets
>>Game developer counting every instance of their game on a wishlist as "sales"
Wotc would be either a gaming company selling to retail or getting an exlusive deal with Epic.
Remember Wotc only cares about making short-term profit. Up your metaphor game.

Reminder that the premodern spammers are from a Brazilian discord server and coming here to try to pump and dump their shitty cards. Ignore them.

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Nah I'm from Germany. Play Premodern.

>>97655258
>Up your metaphor game.
Those are comparisons, not metaphors.
A metaphor would be to say "You are a pig and you eat slop."

>>97655279
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

The Germans raped you so hard now you're pretending to be one.

>>97655279
Last time you posted this pic you said you were from the United States. Are you picking a whiter skin to wear hide from the criticism?

>>97655319
This particular picture I posted yesterday, and I don't recall saying where I'm from. Only saying Premodern is played all around the world.
Look it up. Find a way to cope.

Is it even worth it to get thousands of bulk cards for 50 bucks? Or will the cards be basically unplayable in comp?

>>97655326
In what format on what level? You can build some fun Pauper deck I bet.

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>>97655279
New Zealand here. We're doing monthlies now and I discovered today and the most mom-and-pop store imaginable has had people playing casual premodern for about a year so far disconnected from the aforementioned monthlies.

>>97655326
If you're new to the game and have never played it before, buy OLD bulk from 2011 or prior, make your decks from these cards only without purchasing any singles or sealed, and leave it at that. You can add more bulk if you want more variety. Kitchen table is the best way to engage with the game as a new player because it spares you all the garbage WotC are ramming down people's throats

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>>97655356
>looks like 18 years old tops
>already bogged herself
What the fuck is wrong with kids this days

>>97655364
Let me correct myself
>herself
Its obviously a dude btw

Tbh this game needs ways to make peoples collections relevant instead of focusing on the few best cards.
Only 1 of each card per table?
Only 1 of each card per player?
Only 5/10/15 rares per deck?
I also read about a new format with a points system where good cards are worth more points effectively.

>>97655326
It's worth it if you want to build fun kitchen table decks or a cube to play with friends, otherwise not

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>>97653457
Coincidentally, there has been a split off from Duel Commander committee very recently and the new branch had just made their own 1v1 format where commander rules apply and instead of a traditional banlist the game runs on a point system
https://www.mtgdc.info/

I seriously don't think tournament cEDH would work as well as 1v1. There's too many moving parts and social dynamics going on. Assembling a pod a running tournaments is already hard on its own.

And they're going to replace Brawl on Arena with cedh.

>>97655426
The entire reason they don't have Commander on Arena is because they coded the client like shit (again) so it literally can't support more than 2 players. It's at the point they think it's easier to make a third fucking client than bring it to Arena.

>>97655433
I thought cedh is 1v1? I don't really play any edh and its offspring.

>>97655426
arena is already bugged mess of a client
imagine how horrible its going to be with 4 players in a single game

>>97655356
> the most mom-and-pop store imaginable has had people playing casual premodern
Time to come with a top tier deck and start the arms race then!

What are you gonna do when MTG becomes officially a EDH-only game?

Is opening during a limited game better than opening packs alone?

>>97655509
It will never be officially. There's no money in this.

>>97655409
>Aeonshift
I'm glad the guy decided to rename his format, this will lead to less confusion in the future as more people start getting into Duel Commander

>>97655426
cEDH is strictly a 4-player format and the card pool is bigger than vintage, it's never coming to arena in any shape or form

>>97655461
EDH is the casual 4-player format everyone is familiar with at this point, the "c" for competitive just means people are trying their best to win, there's no actual rule changes
Duel Commander is the 1v1 format, it's on MTGO and it has its own banlist and people in charge are not associated with WotC

>>97655509
I don't think that will happen but if it does, I'll keep playing Duel Commander

Brazillians are supposed to be poor but the "HHAHAHA BRAZILLIAN PREMODERN" spammer is also the "FUCK OFF SHILL IM NOT BUYING YOUR OVERPRICED CARDS" spammer
why cant schizos maintain consistency?

Hate premodern
Love pizza
Simple as

Isn't it more fun to play a set standalone and experience the unique mechanics.

>>97655612
Sets are designed together. Mechanics from one set feeds onto the next.

>>97655621
Which sets are designed to be played together? You play 40k and lotr?

>>97655612
yes it's one of the reasons why draft is the best format

>>97655626
Are you retarded? It's a rhetorical question you retard. Consecutive sets have mechanics that benefit one another. That's why you often see cards being banned from 1 set ago. They weren't deemed an issue until they started synergizing too much with the new set.

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>>97655626
>Which sets are designed to be played together?
Yep.
That's the dumbest post I've ever seen.

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*sits in front of you at the tournament table*

>>97655669
Better than that one faggot disguised as a fucking Ninja Turtle.

>>97655695
Why?

>>97655704
Because I like birds

Commander/Brawl are both trash, if you really want singleton play Canadian Highlander, if you just want variety play limited/cube.

>>97655710
good reply anon

>>97655754
if they put canadian highlander on mtgo I would play it, until then i'll stick with duel for my singleton needs

>>97655509
>implying it hasn’t already happened

>>97655710
And also men.

>>97655326
it's a good deal if you wanna proxy but you can also find a better deal if you keep looking

>>97655783
Thats fair, I just really hate commander mechanics. Color identity is fine i guess, but the free card, the fact that it can keep coming back, all the "if you control a commander" or "commander creatures get..." the multi-player designed cards that impact eternal formats, i hate all of it

>>97655372
>I also read about a new format with a points system where good cards are worth more points effectively.
thats just $30 Value Vintage, good cards cost too much to be included in the deck (or are banned in all other formats so the price is low but you can easily edit the rule to use only the highest price a card ever hit to exclude those out too) and so far it's a pretty fun format.
also Penny Dreadful but that one is slightly too low power for me

>>97655626
sets that are part of one block, or that will be in Standard at the same time.

I honestly just stopped playing this game with other people.
I just make decks and play solitaire like they want me to.

Reminder that there's still like a decade worth of IPs left to plunder and make into *Standard-legal* Magic: the Gathering sets.

This game is slowly dying and (You) are responsible.

>>97655952
Anon, i came here to talk about magic, not be subjected to existential dread.
You sick fuck.

>>97655973
>This game is slowly dying and (You) are responsible.
I fucking hope so.
I'm doing my best to save people from this trashfire by teaching them about better games.

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>>97655973
I havent bought a single card since kamigawa neon garbage.
The only Secret lair i bought was pyrexian praetors.
I am literally THE CURE for this cancer.

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>i am the cure because i didn't buy slop but i bought the premium slop

>>97655994
Better games? All card games right now are literally and unironically the same fucking game just in a different pigskin

>>97656021
>pyrexian praetors is slop
nice try

>>97655999
>reading the card explains the card btw

>paying a premium for cardboard doesn't make you a pig
nice squealing

>>97656052
That foil secret lair costs less than 5 regular praetors

anything more than 25c for cardboard is too much

yeah, cuz you can't even read the fucking cards
you got scammed and are seriously trying to oink your way out of being called a retard
go eat your oats and shut up

>>97656070
>he cant read Praetorian
Fucking brainlet, kys midwit.

>he can't read phyrexian

>you can't read a useless made up language
sorry, can you squeal that louder? Maybe it'll turn into human language

>>97656089
I got a feeling you cant read even in your native language, midwit.

Maybe that feeling you're having is the rumbling in your belly, you fat disgusting piggy.

How often do you guys play a game of the sealed draft game mode? Playing a 3 pack draft of a 5 dollar pack every week is like 750 dollars a year. So you want to be playing a game per week or every 2 weeks and be trading for what you need, ending up with a decent variety in your 1k-2k cards.

>>97656122
>Playing a 3 pack draft of a 5 dollar pack every week
Fuck I wish I could find places to draft every week.
Adding up it's a lot, but in the end it's not that much more expensive than other activities you could do like watching a movie, eating good, or doing some bowling.
I'm currently selling my collection so whatever I open in draft is just thrown away once the event is over.

>>97656163
Just play Arena, the numbers are way better. Especially if you don't care about a collection.

>>97655973
>slowly dying
It has been dead for years

>>97656172
Its nice to have a collection, because that transitions into making your own cube or just playing kitchen table.
Arena is excellent for playing limited, it just doesnt replace paper.

>>97654885
It should have stayed this way...
What are y'alls thoughts?

Principle Designer, Jeremy Jarvis.
2 sets a year:
https://youtu.be/9LijlGLFKTE [Open]

>>97656277
3-4 sets a year, with blocks was the sweet spot

>>97656277
Only 9 years ago... I'd be fine with them whoring out MtG a little, 3 sets and they can do a UB mini set like TMNT (just not in Standard) and Secret Lairs like usual. But 7 fucking sets a year added to Standard makes no fucking sense even from a sales perspective, at some point the pigs run out of milk and move on.

>>97656291
Block of three sets + core set (you could ignore due to low powerlevel) was perfect.

>>97655973
How am I responsible? I never bought a universes beyond, I never bought a secret lair, I never bought nor played anything Commander related. I voted with my wallet. Did you?

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>>97655062
anon I'm just trying to give you advice as a Limited specialist who thousands of dollars in Limited tournaments last year.
look at this deck you posted.
you come on social media crying about the game being "rigged" against you but you are playing a 41 card deck with 8 green sources and 8 black sources.
you fundamentally have no idea what you're doing. you are a dogshit player who doesn't know how to build a proper limited deck.
your delusions tell you there is some grand conspiracy against you when this mana base fucks you over but it's entirely your own fault.
all you know how to do is force the best archetype in the format and then cry when it doesn't give you free wins, like most arena players.

>>97654950
>premodern
Shit format pushed by south americans

>>97656441
You write exactly like the namefag that got doxxed in the arena general

>>97656441
Not him but what's wrong with 16 lands in draft? Even wizards recommends it

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>>97654950
Just allow realistic proxies many premodern communities already do that, that will be the final fuck you to wotc.

>>97656534
My lgs has a proxy allowing legacy tournament every week

>>97656490
Xe prefers being called "favela monkey"

>>97655754
Canadian Highlander would be fine if it was 60 card. 100 card decks are trash and it's insane that people still pretend like any of the retards at their LGS can sufficiently randomize a 100 card deck, much less over and over again in a format with fetches and tutors. EDH only gets away with it because it's a party game where nothing matters.

>>97656490
nah, that guy called anyone who played limited a tranny

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>>97655973

>>97656514
Not him (thanks god). Nothing wrong unless you are playing arena. Arena is rigged, everyone knows it. There are certain land rations that guarantee good draws on their shuffler + (best of hands) opening hand system. I remember that they had to do a code fix up as to not allow players to play 15 mountains in standard and get away with it (until like 2022 you could play 15 mountains and 45 red spells and you would almost always get 2 mountain in hand and everyturn you would draw gass). And there are other confirmed rigging like likewise of playing against shit decks depending of what you have in your deck (or what deck you are playing). I don't think there are any confirmation about paypigs having advantages during match making or during game but I wouldn't be surprised to be honest.

>>97656172
No thanks, drafting on arena and drafting irl are two completely different beasts.

>>97656402

"Voting with your wallet" doesn't work and has never worked.
If you want to effect change, you need violence. That's the only thing in history that has worked.

>>97656728
>schizo rant
based

>professor opening TNMT box
so much for skipping the set, he should stick to booze and fucking trannies

>>97656784
>effect
Holy esl

>>97656709
It's insane the uglyflags say shit like this then complain that everyone hates them for no reason

>>97654995

I blame the streamers like LSV that shortcut "cube" to mean Magic Online Cube and barely even acknowledge that most cubes people actually play don't even resemble the MGO one.

>>97656784
nice argunent, however you made a typo, i will use the republican ghost of foreigners even if im not in america myself

>>97656809
I don't want to argue, I just wanted to insult a retard.

>>97654950
>>97656534
This.
If you run a Premodern tournament but don't allow proxies (and fuck "realistic", a post-it note on a basic land should do), you are part of the problem, not the solution.
Only way to save MTG is to take control of it away from WotC and Hasbro.

>>97656825
But the one that looks like a retard is you by doing so saar

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>>97656799
>>97656821
Effect is correct.

>>97656790
>pulls a underworld breach
>HEY KIDS I WILL GET MY TRANNY SIGN IT
what the the fuck is his problem?

>>97656490
lol that was the faveledditor.
he hates draft players with a burning passion. he thinks that it is impossible to ever win at draft and that limited exists as a conspiracy rob him of his gems.
the easiest way to troll retards is just to post winning draft runs. they come out to screech "it's rigged" when they just suck and I am amazing.

>>97656839
>effect a change is the same as effect change
lmao

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Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home.

>>97656514

16 lands is too few unless your mana curve is extremely low. You need 17-18 in a 40 card deck.

>>97656889
Just take your L and go buddy.

>>97656821
>argunent
you made a typo

>>97656893

Ban all cards that cost more than a dollar and I will.

>>97656916
USE

PROXIES

>>97656916
What are you? Poor?

>>97656277
3 sets + 1 supplemental was the sweet spot each year. Maybe 2 supplemental if you are having a banger year or they are worthwhile (read: no "Masters" sets, etc).

>>97656918
Proxies are explicitly not allowed in most tournaments.

>>97656923
Yes.
In a world where rent, food and fuel prices have gone up 50% in the past 5 years I cannot justify spending thousands of dollars on a game I play less than once a month.

>>97656277
Personally I always found even 3 sets a year uncomfortably fast, but I have to agree with the rest that from a business standpoint the "1 block of three sets + 1 bonus set per year" model was the sweet spot where the releases were as fast as they could be without damaging the game as a game. They could have likely kept that pace up indefinitely without ruining any format.

The damage is done though and I don't think there's any realistic way to undo it.

>>97656938
Who cares about competitive MTG these days?
Wizzards definitely doesn't

>>97656938
>Yes.
There are plenty of top-tier Premodern decks you can build that are relatively cheap.
From UG Madness (to even it's newer version, the GW Madness), to Sligh, White Wennie, to even Moneyball Black, etc. - All of these are pretty cheap is you use new printings of the cards.
You don't even need to proxie anything, but if you do, most tournaments allow up to 8 or 10 proxies, plus the gold border cards are always allowed as well.
Premodern is actually cheaper than most people think if you go for the newer printings. Granted that the cards won't look as good as the old ones, but if you're just looking for a cheap way to build a good deck, that's the best route.
Complaining about the price of the cards is no excuse, unless you really want the old frame ones.

>>97656964
>There are plenty of top-tier Premodern decks you can build that are relatively cheap.

No there's not. There's maybe two.
I'm not going to fucking start a new format if I'm going to be constrained to playing Dark Ritual Hypnotic Specter: The Deck forever. That's insane. If I play Magic I want to play a different deck every time.

>>97656964
>GW Madness
>$573
Uh
I think we need to recalibrate what "affordable" means chief

Pretty much every deck with more than one color is too expensive in Premodern because they stupidly didn't ban fetchlands.

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What is this shit?
Why was this printed?
Art doesnt even make sense!

>>97656992
>If I play Magic I want to play a different deck every time.
lol in what world are you doing that at your weekly for any Constructed format on a budget.
maybe play Limited if you really want to do something new every time you play.

>>97656998
Print Path and Swords into standard

>>97656998
It represents them exiling all the pre-Rise Aprils to the Wypipo zone.

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I just updated my Freya Brawl deck to include cards from the new set, including "Raphael's Technique". I am participating, this game is not dead, and in fact I am keeping it alive.

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Universes Beyond could be okay if all UB cards were constrained to their own format where only UB cards can be used. Make it like a parallel game to MTG that has the same rules but no overlapping cards other than basic lands.

>>97656998
WHY IS THE TEXT SO HIGH

>>97657004
>lol in what world are you doing that at your weekly for any Constructed format on a budget.

I did it just fine in 1994 and I should be able to do it now.
The fact is, I get bored of any deck after playing 5-10 games with it. I believe this is normal. That's why it's important that almost every deck in the format costs less than a hundred bucks.

>>97657046
When has that been the case? Decks had been hundreds of dollars for over a decade now.

>>97656784
And have you used violence to change the situation?

>>97657051
>over a decade
Did you know that Magic is over 30 years old? Crazy but true!
When I started MTG, the real duals were 15 bucks a piece. If you played Type 2 ("standard" for you zoomers), almost every deck was less than a hundo.

>>97657091
>When I started MTG, the real duals were 15 bucks a piece. If you played Type 2 ("standard" for you zoomers), almost every deck was less than a hundo.
Based, hope you stockpiled on power 9.

>>97656784
>"Voting with your wallet" doesn't work and has never worked
Yes it has, often

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>7-2
>7-2
>5-3 (horribly rng fucked, was 95% to trophy)
>7-1
pretty average results for a set release day for me.
my plan of forcing UR every draft is working pretty well.

>>97657091
So you've been complaining about Magic for over twenty years instead of actually playing the game? Fascinating.

>>97657091
why not trade the 20 revised duals you have sitting around for 20 different top tier decks so you can play a new deck every week?

>>97657104
Allow me to posit an alternative hypothesis that I deem considerably more plausible: the individual in question is utterly mendacious.

>>97657104
Most people can do both simultaneously

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Reminder that WotC already came up with a solution to the price problem of MTG and it worked so well they never did it again.

>>97657119
I was wondering what happened to these. I got a lot of stuff I wanted out of the lotus field combo deck.

>>97657043
Do you have any idea how much it would cost to run a printer with different print format on full art cards? We're talking pennies per print.

>>97657113
Because then I wouldn't have duals anymore.
>>97657096
>hope you stockpiled on power 9.
God I wish.

>>97654885
Aren't there already lands that do this like Jungle Hollow and shit? What is the point of this? Having 8 Jungle Hollow?

Friendly reminder WAKANDA FOREVAH is next on the pipeline :^)

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>>97657159
then add back frames so it doesnt look like empty shit

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>>97657257

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How do you people endure this shite?

All these turtle cards make me want to vomit. They're so fugly. There's also almost nothing to work with for a full set so you have chaff rares that are one-off TV show characters from later reboots and shit. God I hate everything about this. Do whalefaggots just not have the same internal warning alarm I do for shit that sucks ass? Do they just not feel any shame or weirdness? I get a pit in my stomach even looking at this stuff.
Why the fuck couldn't we get another week of lorwyn sealed on MTGO?

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>>97655669
For anyone who doesn't get it, see pic related.

My issue with premodern as a guy who has plenty of fun on ponza is that shit gets stale when no new cards get added. Unless they do intentional ban rotations to constantly shake up the meta you're just gonna be playing against stiflenought and standstill and gobbos for forever.

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>>97654950
I think youtubers doing MTGO content is unhealthy for the format. While yes it does raise awareness, it results in the same meta-slaving that plagues official formats. Even if the youtuber isn't playing Enchantress or Stiflenought himself, he will run into at least 1 opponent doing so and people who watch enough will notice that those decks persistently show up between leagues even if they aren't checking Goldfish. My LGS is still safe at least, proxy permitting and people just playing whatever they want. The monthlies we've had so far have been won by, in order,
Goblins
Stax
Moneyball
Replenish
UW Humility Control - This guy plays control in every format and built the list himself

What should I take to the next one, on the 15th? Lists are approximate and need refining.
BUG Oath - https://moxfield.com/decks/V43E918LCkio7JMVCiJnWQ
Parfait - https://moxfield.com/decks/xQq30Z_7YkCRnYAfabt2zA
Stasis
Mono black ZI

>>97656998
That woman looks eerily like a caricature of my mother in the 80s

My locals began a biweekly premodern league but they're fuckomg retarded
Zero proxies allowed and we are like the second or thirdest poorest country in Europe. It's unplayable
"Just play a budget deck" people don't understand what's fun in card games

Pre modernn is retarded and for boomers, Pre fire is the better superior balanced format

>>97655669
>>97657300
I get it even less now. What's the story?

>>97657046
>The fact is, I get bored of any deck after playing 5-10 games with it.
you haven't even learned a deck if you've only played it 10 times
just stick to online sims retard

When MTG collapses and then starts trying to reboot or rebrand itself as fantasy again, can the paypiggies please just calm down and not slurp and onions about how mtg is great again? I can already see the tolarian faggot pleading for suckered to come back to buy the new fake soulful cards.

>>97654885
>Can MTG be great again
>0 monks printed in 2026
Sure as shit doesn't seem like it

>>97657436
>monks
Gross. Swiftspear and Mentor were the start of this dumbass powercreep

>>97657407
Premodern exists for boomers to flaunt their old border cards. It's not a real format. Its a being format. It's why they don't allow Fallen Empires (FE cards disrupt the bling vibe) and why older sets aren't allowed, to not step on the other bling format: Oldschool.

Just let premodern die. Then someone will make a better format that will allow proxies and not be trying to stiff its nose up wotc's ass looking for official approval.

>>97657435
>Collapses
Two more weeks, chud?

>>97657119
Pio never stood a chance because they canonized all these gay archetypes and refused to ban broken cards because they sold them as official product

>>97657463
>It's why they don't allow Fallen Empires
Is there even a single fallen empires card that would actually be playable or are you just whinging because you're a standardcuck and you're mad people don't want to play that dogshit format anymore and just want the simple good old times?

>>97657425
http://sanc.jp/bmo02/bom/01.html
If you still need me to explain it after this I don't know what to tell you.

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>>97657476
Can you express it in sanskrit? I'm not following...

>>97657475
No, I'm actually worse: I'm a premodern player.

And if FE was so useless, then why even ban it I'm the first place? I've talked to premodern players, and the reason is simply that FE is so affordable that seeing it on the table disrupts the vibe. It's accessible, and part of premodern is that its less accessible. A significant number of the premodern community wants to run 4 mox diamonds, etc. Premodern exists to also not step on the toes of Oldschool 93/94 players (who also ban FE for the same reason). I point this out just so people have the clear answer as to WHY premoder exists.

As for your other question, yeah, there's some cool power in the set and lots of fun tribal archtype cards. Namely though there's Goblin Grenade and Hymn to Tourach.

>>97656788
Not schizo. When there is only one person noticing something it may be but with arena those are known issues that many people relate.

If you want me to go Schizo...

https://www.quora.com/Is-Magic-the-Gathering-Arenas-shuffling-messed-up-It-seems-unusually-common-for-me-to-draw-nothing-but-land
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2141910/discussions/0/4338726151302535736/?l=english&ctp=10
https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/1qtcqzn/16_lands/
https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/aw8xs5/a_cute_13_land_mono_red_deck_made_possible_by_the/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvIqAh0o6lo
https://www.reddit.com/r/freemagic/comments/1d24k2n/mtg_arena_secretly_controls_matchmaking_on_deck/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcKe12MQJbg

>>97657506
Holy fuck, Tachibana-san plays Magic the Gathering?

>>97657463
>>97657525
Cite one (1) single place Martin Berlin has said the reason FE isn't legal is because of vibes or accessibility.

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>flier that inevitably ends up above curve, rebuys all your ETBs, and gives pseudohaste
I hate this piece of shit, who allowed this?

>>97657649
This is pretty ridiculous, didn't even know this existed.

>>97657621
Stop being a fool. Simply go look and you'll see such comments in the community.

The official reason is that Premodern was made as a sissy format to Oldschool 93-94, not using any of its sets, so it set itself to be 1995 and onward. Oldschool openly excluded Fallen Empires because of its reputation of being so affordable. So if FE isn't an Oldschool set, why can't Premodern adopt it?

Because the intent of Premodern was vibes first, gameplay second. It was never meant to be a refuge from wotc's abuse. Playes looking to it for that are partially being misled and they'd be better off forging their own format that included the entire old border cardpool and openly allowed proxies.

>>97657675
Okay, so just to double check, NO COMMENT FROM THE FORMAT CREATOR BACKING UP YOUR BULLSHIT?

>>97657649
>uncommon
this would have been a mythic even a few years ago

>>97657699
>every single action pointing to a specific intent
>openly made format to be the sister of the other Bling format
>"yes but did he specifically say the obvious part out loud?"
Fool.

>>97656998
It makes sense only if you're so TMNT-obsessed that you remember a specific plotline from the original comic book about the turtles leaving NYC and living on a farm for a while

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>>97657723
rarity has lost all meaning, this could've very well be a common

> its another episode of complaining about ub/mtg and nothing else

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>>97657649
I'm the only one who wanna puke when I see this fucking TMNT cards? Seriously there is not a single one that is good artistically (the design is hideous too but whatever in the line of every set of the last decade)

>>97657453
Get fucked, lrn2kungfu

>>97657772
Little too strong for a common. Would be fine as an uncommon. Certainly not mythic worthy.

>>97657453
I actually liked the green kamigawa monks best. Monks = prowess/spellslinger is pure cancer. The FF monks were better monks flavor wise than any jeskai shit.

>>97657819
There's nothing left to discuss anymore.
>Story/Characters
30-year dumpster fire
>Gameplay
5 minutes on mtggoldfish to see archetypes more pushed than a YGO deck
>Budgeting
30 years of "bend over"

I'm building Dreadnought to go smash the Premodern locals because no fun allowed
Stasis too

>>97657911
but anon, haven't you heard?
the format is perfectly balanced, there are no problem cards whatsoever

>>97657865
>Story
You know this raises a question of how WotC actually plans to build their original brand image when the game's structure has been one of vapid consumption basically from its outset. Jumping from plane to plane with the majority of characters never being heard from again after their 1 year in the block set. Jacestice League was an attempt to recreate Weatherlight's Star Trek-lite recurring cast but they were all unlikable assholes so it went nowhere. Now without blocks, if they want people to feel invested in the characters, a small set of recurring characters is more important than ever, but the question is how do you even do this without it feeling insanely forced? Existing characters are basically paper-thin and doing fuckall in the story, and a new "protagonist" would be a sudden and blatant departure from how Magic is currently used to telling its story (that is, a disconnected clusterfuck).

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>>97657933
To be honest I liked early jace/liliana/gideon/chandra/nissa (hitler mode), the problem is when they became some some of multiverse america recurring every single set and bringing freedom™ everywhere

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>>97657772
pairs well with Avatar's Wrath

>>97657960
I mean that's the larger problem. If you have a planeswalker running around to all these universes, why don't they intervene in situations they deem problematic but could resolve easily? Even Joe Schmoe (forma de spark) powerscales above most wizards without one. In similar stories (Star Trek, Dr. Who) the limiting factor is that generally the traveler is just some dude so there's very obvious limits to how much influence they can exert. The current state of planeswalkers basically runs into the Sorin/Ugin problem where you know they have all the power to fix anything they deem to even be a minor inconvenience, but if you let them do that all narrative tension instantly evaporates. WotC """tried""" fixing this by giving them a Trek-esque pseudo Prime Directive, but it was never explained why they do this (beyond abstract reasoning), and again it's not supported by how in Star Trek, the crew was still just random dudes with an exposition device and a stun gun so there were obvious limits to what they could do even in emergencies where the rules were less important. Meanwhile Magic is out here saying "the multiverse was about to end and Sorin was more focused on beating his daughter."

>>97657772
This guy is basically ravenous squirrel on steroids, he triggers on opponent's stuff too. No way he'd be a common.

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>>97657772
Eh, it's a comically cracked version of this. Would have to cost like 4-5 mana to get away with uncommon

>>97657772
>triggers on fetches
>triggers on treasures
>triggers on all the dumb artifact tokens
>triggers on exile
>triggers on bounce
>triggers on flicker
>oh and it triggers on your opponent doing all of that stuff too
no fuck you retard

>>97657911
Thanks
>t. Enchantress gamer

>>97658220
WoW, all things you commonly see in limited!

>>97658265
Considering this set has a billion mutagen/food tokens and flicker effects, yeah kinda.

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>>97657506
Sorry man only བོད་སྐད་།

>>97658265
WB is sneak, which triggers him
BG is disappear, which triggers him
UG is mutagen, which triggers him
UR is artifacts, half of which are mutagen and food, which trigger him
WR is alliance, so they spam tokens and flicker dudes, which all trigger him
He's one of the best limited cards in the set.

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>>97658265
>balancing rarity around limited
Heres your mythic, fucking retard

Just pulled out my Dwight Schrute, Hay King deck for what I thought was a friendly game of Commander at my LGS, but my opponent spat in my face and walked out.

I came in my VS panties right now. Bra is still tight across the chest so might need to go up a size.

>>97654950
I found the format to be pretty shit desu, blue or die. Wowo so fun
lmao at ANYONE unironically playing jackal pup

>>97657300
THATS NOT AN ANIME GIRL
THATS NOT AN ANIME GIRL AT ALL!

Rate my shitbrew, should I keep cooking?

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>>97658493

>>97658493
pretty ass, senpai

play

premodern

>>97658520
did I was super hyped for the MTGO rooms
boy it sucked

>>97657772
>rarity has lost all meaning, this could've very well be a common
Shut the fuck up. That does not velong in pauper

>>97656998
There is a strong effort to try to retroactively claim April is a black woman.

Obviously this gets wotc salivating. And naturally they would want to choose the one art where April got a perm and it makes her look like a woman of color. It's for that reason.

Yeah, I thought maybe the doomering got to me, but no, TMNT does actually feel different. It feels like a fan won a set design contest or something, it makes it harder to respect the game even after it leaves my hands.

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>>97658571
I know nothing about the tmnt comics, but this is apparently an official figure of her from the comics that they released last year

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You guys ready for the third set of New York City Block Constructed in June?

>>97658611
Yeah, it's an ongoing thing. It's kind of a minor schism among fans, but people have kind of rewrote history to say April has always been black.

If you don't value your sanity this explains why, kind of: https://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2018/02/was-april-oneil-originally-black-in.html

>>97658386
This thing was cancer in its day

>>97658637
>irish character gets blackwashed
it's a tradition at this point

>>97658590
TMNT feels like what people acted like Spongebob was. If people ask me when I felt it was officially over, I'll show them the pics of turtle masks attached to grown ass cracks at an adult prerelease pizza party.

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They’re leaning into it huh

>>97658661
Is the asscrack guy still banned?

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>>97658670
I fucking HATE New York after this whole block... And more is coming...

>>97657772
I mean, yeah, or else collector boxes wouldn't be a thing or would only contain mythic rares. Value has decoupled from performance and if you stop and recognize that you're now dealing with toy consumers, it's actually pretty funny watching old school MTG finance types freak out about perfectly predictable price performance.

Also pretty nice because some really obvious collector's material across brands is appearing here that you can get for pennies on the dollar to valuation 20 years from now if/when the game survives that long and various legal issues or ownership challenges arise - as they often do over a few decades of IP management - to tank the partner's licensing potential.

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>>97654950
reminder that in a few years pre FIRE design 2019 modern will be "old school" too so watch out for a new closed format in the making

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>I want set blocks to be back
>heres New Your block

>>97658701
Fuck give me Eldraine, Muraganda, Kaladesh, Zendikar since when NY is a plane of Magic?

>>97658701
Blocs take places back to back. This isn’t a block

>>97658700
Of course, MTG is nearing a practical ceiling with regard to power creep, a reset is needed unless you want people taking fifteen minute turn ones in kitchen table or to keep juggling cheap gimmicks like energy to distract from the ridiculous pace of the game.

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>>97658700
I still have my old modern cards if a miracle happens

>>97658723
The one that takes off will just be the next one with market pressure from aftermarket card sales from deprecated collections, just like EDH. Don't get excited.

>>97658723
I traded 2 of these that I opened at the prerelease for a Savannah when this set came out lol

>>97658722
>MTG is nearing a practical ceiling with regard to power creep
correct, that's why pioneer is a mistake, wotc should let go of the idea of "nonrotating" formats because in truth the players themselves "rotate" (the average grinder would be lucky to have a 10year tenure), so closed formats like premodern are the most sustainable way of keeping the game going as not only do they serve as time capsules they also allow retirees to enjoy the game once they stop buying product while not forcing wotc to always up the power level

>>97657649
>4 mana creature with no protection that doesn't win the game on the spot

Do I even have to say it?

>>97658745
>shilling premodern
>by shitting on pioneer
brazilian bro, come on man

>>97658745
Meh, if WotC had a brain in the building, paper Magic would be a gimmick mostly propping up international money laundering by now and they'd be knee-deep in gacha dollars. Expecting anything rational from those Gatsbyesque milkdrunk nepobabies is probably a mistake.

You could put every big eldrazi in standard right now and you would never know

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Play kitchen table magic, the true GOAT format

>>97657476
So some Japanese guy played Daze?

>>97658673
The game won't be saved until whoever is in charge has the depth of knowledge and wealth of spirit necessary to unban him and hang a medal on his chest. We are cursed and forsaken, walking the shrouded lands until this day, say I.

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>>97658722
>MtG is nearing the ceiling
THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING.
IN A COUPLE YEARS YOU'LL BE BEGGING FOR LURRUS BACK.

>>97658786
Last time I played kitchen table my opponent played 4 sol rings on turn 1 and then ulamog on turn 2

>>97658811
so in other words, wait for some rich person to buy out fucking hasbro and weed out the troons

If they’re gonna do this UB shit forever now could they have at least picked some cooler stuff and not capeshit retardation and 80s nostalgia bait crap?

>>97658822
If I win the lotto I am 100% buying hasbro and running the wizards creative department like the navy.
And by that I mean, being gay will be fine. They just have to follow orders.

>>97658820
Those are royal-flush odds

>>97658828
given how we got paramount ip (tmnt, avatar, trek) it's not out of the question to get wb ip in the near future (dc, harry potter, mortal kombat)
personally i want asian ip, but im guessing it's easier for wotc to get a deal with other western companies
>harry potter
yes troons going ACK would be very funny

Musk almost did over some D&D culture war shitposting

>>97658816
The problem for your comparison is paper game state management and this is why I will never contribute even one game to the Alchemy demon - as designing for that is the real Whore of Babylon, who will send this game down the dark path of randomized nonsense and unannounced interactions and ordering. Of course, its inevitable anyway as less game state management means a more accessible game which means more bodies to monetize, but I won't be the reason.

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>>97658844
>mortal kombat
They already did that

>>97656277
Some worldbuilding from Aetherdrift that didn't make it in the set.
The RG team comes from a 60's America plane with team being NASA scientists. They worship the BOOSTGOD!.
The GW team is divided into 10 districts with each district having a legendary beast as their mascot.
The UR team comes from the underwater plane.

>>97658844
Harry Potter probably won’t happen anytime soon since WOTC doesn’t seem very interested (now would’ve been the time to do it with Strixhaven collab potential).
With that being said, if they ever DID do it, transgender players would face a moral dilemma: would they boycott Magic for financially supporting an actual rabid transphobe, or would they admit they bullied Terese Nielsen out of the scene for literally no reason?

>>97658828
It really does scream design-by-data, and while its funny to know that this game is largely played by a population with rapidly relocating hair, any college kid likely could have done a better job doing business development with a call list and this prop.

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>>97656893
I'm not joining your Brazilian cult.

>>97656893
HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

>>97658828
1 hazbin hotel set coming right up

>>97658869
Neither

>>97655952
>here's still like a decade worth of IPs left to plunder
such as?

>>97658869
Magic would experience a weird sort of cell death wherein even though they are a marked minority of actual players, by occupying critical positions in the fan base, development/community teams, and the brick-and-mortar network, they'd cause enough protracted issues for the supply chain, organized play, and media representation to kill the brand at national scale.

It'd end up replaced by some woke crowdfund-vibe e-celebrity cash grab bullshit that'd last for ~5-10 years optimistically. After dying nothing would replace it, except in some shadowy corner of the internet a Chinese whale-milking competitor.

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>>97658828
Too late.
Be ready for Marvel slop. And next year Star Wars.

>>97658896
literally any popular video game or television show from the last ten years? wtf?

>>97658896
20 marvel sets and 20 dc sets

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Friendly Reminde MaRo has decided your destiny until 2030. Sit down, put your belts and enjoy this ride.

>>97658896
Given they show no serious restraint in returning to UB given the hobbit:
Jurassic park
Transformers
Warhammer fantasy and 40k
The Walking Dead
Fallout
Sonic
Godzilla

And that’s just the properties they’ve already done!

>>97658861
Slop Fighter doesn't count, it crosses over with everything. They've begged their way into a McDonalds crossover, even, those disgusting sluts.

>>97658820
giga based, that's why kitchen table is GOAT

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Have you said thank you to tmnt for being back that 20s heavy metal vibe

>>97658933
Off topic but the most disgusting McDonald’s crossover was the vocaloid and utau shit. Not that western musicians care about selling out anymore (it’s not even something people seriously bring up as a critique), but I had kind of hoped that the producers behind all those classics would have a little more apprehension about turning them into ads for junk food.
Tetoris didn’t surprise me though. Despite liking it, that’s already a slop song.

>>97658944
Press S to Spit.
Worst set ever.

>>97658946
>I had kind of hoped corporations would turn down easy money
lol, lmao even

>>97658952
Roflmao even

>>97658952
>corporations
I said producers. These are independent musical artists not backed by labels. They dragged LamazeP out for that shit.

>>97658903
I'm glad this card is unplayable garbage.

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>>97658926
>So, I know exactly where we'll be in a few years.

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>>97658926
>I know exactly where we'll be in a few years.

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Is this the dick rate thread?

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>>97659015
a real Turd-le

>>97659015
>Leo's katana
funny dick joke

>>97658926
Planning out 10 years in advance is so fucking dumb

>>97659060
Why? Imagine all that money from contracts with owners of outsider ips that want to promote themselves at Magic.

>>97658708
2025

>>97659049
It even shows his dick in the image

>>97659015
>Leo's katana
>clearly Raphael

All this New York world building is a set up for the Iran set next year

>>97658926
>It has to fit the five colors of Magic
>proceeds to do a Star Trek set

> Star Trek: Starfleet Academy (2026) is facing severe backlash, low viewership, and poor reviews, leading to widespread speculation about its cancellation. Despite a two-season order, the series has been described as a "huge disappointment" for Paramount+.

You did this. Why do you consumers hate good things. Dont make us cancel the Trek set.

I played 5 TMNT drafts on arena.
Kinda disgusting how this set is better kamigawa successor than Poopy dynasty.
If wotc worked more time on it, had decent amount of cards and made it kamigawa plane shit would be so fucking good.

>>97659127
reality fracture is gonna be UB is in universe. I was initially thinking that means your point is irrelevant but it's still possible.

>>97659138
nah you'll only get some indian outsourced spiders n shieeet

>>97659127
>crusade reprint in 2027

>>97659130
That's weak criticism, you can easily map the various race stereotypes on Magic colors.

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>>97659137
>Despite a two-season order, the series has been described as a "huge disappointment" for Paramount+.
How the fuck they didnt see this coming?
Why do they still believe in myth about
>MODERN AUDIENCE

Let me tell you how ACTUALLY modern audience looks
>dumb as fuck zoomers watching youtube shorts at 2.0x speed for 5 hours
>while having subway surfers at 3.0x speed on dads phone in the background

>>97659139
>Jace kills the Ayatollah in a bid to save the small plane of Israel only to trigger a war across the planes

>>97659156
WotC hire this man!!!!!!

>>97659154
Gen x and millennial showrunners actually don't understand gen Z and gen A at all, their realities are so far apart they might as well be from different countries. Even just using ninja turtles as an example, nobody under 35 gives a shit about them and the only people I've seen praising this set are admittedly just fueled by nostalgia for their own childhood.

>>97659192
The people still willing to pay for wotc cardboard are 35+ to be very fair

>>97659192
people with money are 35+ thou

>>97659205
yea but mom pays for lil zoomie's paramount+ plan and they still aren't watching Star Trek: The Transgender Generation

>Fuels itself in two different ways
>Unlimited damage per tun
>Curves out better
>One of the strongest cards ever printed? Fuck it! Staple a fucking tutor to it too!

This thing is so fucked holy fucking shit WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING

>>97659192
>Gen x and millennial showrunners actually don't understand gen Z and gen A at all
Its not even that, though that is part of it. Millenials are just dogshit at writing stories. Academy was a show by theatre kids for theatre kids. And obviously the modern audience schlock hurts because the end result is a show full of girl bosses and bisexual characters everywhere which really no one cares about. Its ok and good to have attractive characters in your show but always the most important thing is having a compelling story. If your primary focus is on "representation" then its already over.

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>>97659220

>>97659210
a lot of male zoomers are actually very much against trannies and liberals. its mostly the women that are into that shit.

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>>97659220
>>97659224
They were thinking ... kamigawabunga, my dudes.

>>97659138
>Kinda disgusting how this set is better kamigawa successor than Poopy dynasty
How? Despite me being a neon naysayer and disliking the aesthetic changes, the draft environment was fun.

>>97659220
>>97659224
Worse artist's talent

>>97659225
Yea that's what I'm saying, the people making these shows are completely out of touch with the "modern audience" their idea of the modern audience is their 35 year old lgbt rainbow friends, not 20 year old Kyle watching Clavicular getting frame mogged by the ASU frat leader vids on tiktok for 10 hours of their day.

>>97659138
>this set is better kamigawa successor than Poopy dynasty
Wild take

>>97659220
>WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING
have to sell packs somehow

In regard to the wording of epic new pizza-themed turtle spell, "Cool but Rude" and other Classes too,
"This X" in the new templating references card type, NOT subtype or supertype. As far as the rules are concerned, "This class" refers to nothing at all, because "Class" is not a card type.
It should read "This enchantment..." if they wanted it to be functional.

>>97659237
>Worse artist's talent
It is, in fact, around 15 times better than Artist's Talent. Having Artist's Talent also be a wincon by itself is fucked beyond belief. This shit would be busted if it did ONE damage per discard.

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>>97659224

Reminder that Cool But Rude was designed to be in the same environment as Proft's Eidetic Memory and Vivi.

>>97659238
no need even for clavicular the avg male 20 year old watches asmongold, hates karens, and yearns for 2000s-2010s era games again

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Kamigawabunga fellow Magic players!!!

>>97656916
https://mtgdecks.net/Premodern/budget-decks

>>97659278
>the avg male 20 year old watches asmongold, hates karens, and yearns for 2000s-2010s era games again
Zamn, we are so back

>>97659253
prove it at a tournament or shut up

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>>97659283
YUMMY. I am a pig BTW.

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>Kills U
xD sayonara, bub!

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>>97659278
The 2000s really was the golden age of gaming

>>97659335
Early Blizzard was so powerful that they can release a $30 DLC for a 25 year old game and it still sales.
That said I have no intention of playing anything they made past WC3. And modded diablo 2 is still the way to go.

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>>97659325
>reprints wheel of fortune in the same set
tubular

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>>97659379
>Can't even kill the fucking creature that we're bouncing for Wheel
xD Enjoy being Lava Axed every turn, NERD!

>>97659385
>the cards you discard to make it indestructible are irrelevant because you just Wheel back up to 7
>Every card you discard is 5 damage or replaces itself
>Finally stabilize the game, they draw another Elf and hurl 14 damage at your face out of nowhere.
wow this looks like so much FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So... When are we getting Strixhaven spoilers? Less than a month and we new very few cards I'm starting to lose interest if I don't have regular spoilers

>>97659403
>So... When are we getting Strixhaven spoilers?
Who cares.

> Less than a month and we new very few cards I'm starting to lose interest if I don't have regular spoilers
Yeah sure. Lose interest. Who cares, this game is for everyone and that means NOT YOU.

>>97659403
I think 2 weeks from now but don't quote me on that

>>97659359
WoW was a good game before 2006.

>>97659428
I didn't play wow back then but I liked wow classic quite a lot, it's super chill