Moon Man edition>Previous Heresy:>>97646334>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/qdYzem>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread question:Do you make background for your army or do you just put it on the table?
>>97661669>Do you make background for your army or do you just put it on the table?If you haven't created a backstory for /yourdudes/ that develops depending on each unit's performance in games, you're in the wrong hobby.
>>97661689But if you tell anyone about your backstory outside of names or slight details you're also in the wrong hobby.
>>97661669>TQ You mean like your dudes? Yeah my loyalist T sons i formulated a lot more lore for then my DA
>>97661669>TQ/yourdudes/ are cringe af.Heresy is a sci-fi historical. Study it, find a piece of the setting + a character you like, and play that.
>>97661715You can do both anon, legions are very big things.
>>97661705Correct. The only instance you tell it to someone is if they specifically ask you in person for the entire lore of /yourdudes/ - which basically never happens.
>>97661715If you can't appreciate a bit of cringe Warhammer is not for you.
>>97661669/yourdudes/ are based and an part of 4/30k. people are just losing their own imagination and eat up the marvel esq. hero slop of my space dad could beat up your space dad.
>>97661715boring fag, your dudes are it
>>97661718And if they do ask they're just being polite and you still just give them the twenty word summary.
The concept of the Horus heresy is a son betraying his father.Have you ever seen anything like this irl? It could be anything from a young lion eating an old lion, dictator being usurped by his son, or even something like testifying against your father in court the reason other than being a spineless bootlicker?Curious what real world parallels or inspirations could be drawn
>>97661927A guy at my school killed his dad and then himself about a decade back, so yeah.
>>97661927>Gestures broadly to the entire history of the roman empire.I fucking mean....
Starting to come together
>>97661943Looking very nice, anon!
>>97661927Anon I'm Nigerian, children betraying their parents or VV was common village drama back home
>>97661954Thank You
>>97661927Luke Skywalker
>>97661943Excellent
>>97661711Has anyone tried pistachio shells as weathered stones on bases? Maybe better for titans?
>>97662034Thank you
>>97661955Do you play Sallies, RG, or AL?
>>97662047Don't be silly, I play Mechanicum
>>97661941>>97662022Im talking IRL. I once knew a dude who testified against his dad for kidnapping him, despite the dad raising him for his whole entire life, and now the son is a miserable wreck (idk if related, but he is broken now). It was fucked up.
There never were any alternative colour schemes for the Iron Hands in the Heresy, were there? I don't like black armour but quite enjoy their lore :( if I ever played Marines in 40k I'd want to do the Sons of Medusa or something to keep the kino IH lore but ditch the black.Know of any canon examples of non-dark armoured IH in Heresy?Yes I know I can make up my own, if I was going to I wouldn't be asking :3
>>97662145There's the red of autek mor's clan that I believe was started during the heresy
>>97662145IH aren't black, they're a dark gunmetal
>>97662179>IH aren't black, they're a dark gunmetal
>>97662104>Im talking IRL.Is the Roman empire not real life?
>>97662252Don't be silly, everyone knows the Roman empire was the just the cover story for the jews seeding the race of golems that would one day take over the western world
>>97662169I was tempted, but Clan Morragul are black with red details/accents so I think it'd be hard to make them not just look like Heresy-era Dark Angels.
>>97661715>Heresy is a historicalLolno
>>97662250Yes, I care about colors and liveries, is you acting like a lazy retarded faggot supposed to be a flex on me?
>>97662179You mean blue.
>>97662104Did you ask that question because you actually wanted an answer or was it just to share that tidbit with us, anon?
>>97662179*silver
>>97662145Any 2nd Founding chapter would have it’s roots in the Heresy, maybe you couldn’t just do a whole new scheme but maybe sticking some heraldry or coloring their pauldron something different could work.
>>97662179Uuuh they're actually red.
>>97662330Ummmmm aktually they are homosexual.
>>97662354Uhm *adjusts glasses* akshually all the legions are homosexual.Some are just more homosexual than others.
>>97662354uuuuum aktually Iron Hands are sapiosexual
Actually, Iron Hands are not, they died.
>>97662481Wait, Iron Hands is kill?
>>97662481I can't believe Ferrus Manus is fucking dead
>>97662252Obviously not
>>97662380The Dark Angels aren't
>>97661669>TQAlways. It's also pretty topical considering the OP.
>>97662145The 30k IH scheme is a dark metallic color covered in oil + silver. They look nothing like DA or RG, we've been over this a billion times.
>>97662145Make 'em Blackshields since Blackshields= custom colours
>>97662604anon those fuckers are clearly just metallic black
>>97662604nta but this does nothing to help anon lmfao if he doesn't like black armour screaming "IT'S NOT BLACK! IT'S JUST BASICALLY BLACK!" probably won't change anything rofl
>>97662145Nope, for the most part Heresy doesn't do the whole "alternative colour scheme" thing like 40k does. Most Legions are fairly standard in terms of colour with maybe a few small changes here and there, but even then they'll be like 95% the same as others in the Legion.
Not.Black.
>>97662638>Heresy doesn't do the whole "alternative colour scheme" thing
>>97662654Yep. Notice how I said, " for the most part Heresy doesn't do the whole "alternative colour scheme" thing like 40k does. Most Legions are fairly standard in terms of colour with maybe a few small changes here and there, but even then they'll be like 95% the same as others in the Legion."But I get it, foids and gays love doing that whole gotcha thing so I can't blame you, it's in your nature.
NOT BLACK SAAR
SAAR NOT BLACK! NOOO!
>>97662663Whatever helps you sleep at night.
>>97662705You know, and I know you know, I was not referring to something like that. Word Bearers changing the colour scheme of their entire Legion is not the same as a World Eater having the exact same colours but the blue is in a different place or an Iron Hand wearing Iron Hand colours but with a red shoulder.I know this, you know this, I know you know this. But the gays must have their gotchas, so you continue.
>>97662647>>97662681>>97662690You seem to have shut 'em up lol
>>97662663>Heresy doesn't do the whole "alternative colour scheme"Anon you're just wrong, a cursory look through the Black Books you can see the same legion having very different paint schemes.Also the Alpha Legion
>>97662654Dishonest argumentation>pre-Angron look that would only be used by Loyalists or Blackshields>main look>mid-late Heresy colors>destroyer colors
Veteran assault marine, or just a regular assault marine for my traitor XIX. Getting closer and closer to being done with my marines for adepticon. What are you working on today? Got any WIP?
>>97662754>it's dishonest to bring up different legion colour schemes in a discussion about different legion colour schemeslol
>>97662647>>97662681>>97662690>gunmetal>gunmetal>actually black and an example of how IH aren't supposed to look as the colors are closer to RGDon't you have a toilet to unclog, Stanislaw?
>>97662766Sons of Medusa have no basis in the Heresy, they're from m36. A narrow selection of alternate liveries is no excuse for green IH or orange DA.If you absolutely must bring your garbage ideas to the table, play Blackshields.
>>97662781
>>97662762Making very slow progress on a saturnine command squad.
>>97662781>no excuse for green IHI've seen people take the greasy green hue on the FW Gorgon terminators to more extremes. If IH are not black, but "gunmetal", then nothing stops someone from applying the wash of their choosing over that to give their IH the shade of gunmetal they want.
>>97662145Make them Blackshields and play them with IH rules
>>97662821Cool plague marine faggot, go back to /40kg/.>>97662783I accept your concession.
>>97662834Could be siege of terra.
>>97662810I used the same 3d prints for the hammers for my command squad, I also used the lightning claw hands but man I had to shelve the whole project because all the finger talons are so incredibly fragile. Going to have to replace them all individually with some sort of plastic equivalent. Your command squad is coming along great.
>>97662821if they're gunmetal just give them an mlp wrap
>>97662883Printer resin does seem a little too brittle for something like lightning claw blades. I still carve custom swords out of plastic card for the same reason, it's just a lot more durable.
>>97662772>>gunmetal>>gunmetal>I WILL MAKE THINGS UP UNTIL YOU SAY I'M RIGHTBold strategy.
>>97662781No one said they were, and anon did not say he was going to paint his 30k dudes Sons of Medusa you goalpost moving sperg.
>>97661927God being betrayed by Satan from the Bible, bro.
>>97662179Oily gunmetal
>>97662608>A blind man cannot see
Iron Hands armour is as black as NuSpace Wolves skin. Simple as.
>>97663048So dark brown then?
>>97662925>>97663039>paint marines silver>apply oily rainbow effect
>>97661937A dude I went to school with also killed his dad and blew his skull apart afterwards after something to do with him being gay and his dad hating it or something, also a decade ago.Must've been going around.
>>97662608>>97662620They have a green shine, they aren't black.
fuck yeah, nabbed the fuckers.peak consumerism i know but i lost two set of these when filthy drunk, feels like fixing a mistake
I will be painting my Iron Hands black with silver trim/details, red bolters and green glowing eyes.
>>97663096>green eyeswtf seek davinite health care
>>97663092>Fixing one mistake by making anotherBased.
>>97661507This shit is a godsent, while building and painting my stuff I've been reading and rereading this section so much that I had to make a cut down pdf from the book 6 one with it along with screenshots so getting it in full HD is amazing. Rare GW win.
>>97663155The HQ black book lore PDFs really are a rare act of generosity from GW. Still baffling that we're getting these for free, instead of GW doing a re-print or digital release through BL that costs and arm and a leg.
>>97663192I wouldn't have minded forking over some cash for a leatherbound book 6 without anything missing but this isn't something they do anymore. That being said this is great and was wondering when they would drop the Bodt pdf the moment they started making these.
Any anons got a link to a pdf of the horus heresy black book number 9? I found 1-8 on internet archive, but 9 is eluding me right now....
How's that for a blackshield's aquila?
>>97662145other than the old oil-sheen iridescence that FW used to do?you could probably get away with very dark rust; the IH sections of Massacre feature white/silver as highlights on the examples, particularly on the vehicles (tho one legionary in particular looks a lot more dark metal than black); the Inductii heraldry (what little official art of it there was) had silver helms as well I think, which is at least not all-blackif you're going to run them as Shattered Legions you can start introducing colors from the other SL in your force to tie everything together visually (as long as you're making it clear which actual scheme is which Legion); you could even go fully insane, paint them extremely dark red/metallic rust, slap the Clan Morragul symbol on them and do moon crimeyou want to go absolutely fucking nuts? quartered black-with-blue-highlight (like an old comic book highlight - think Spider-Man's original black costume) and red-rust and call them Brazen Claws; going for the bright 40k heraldry is probably going too far (tho they are Your Dudes), but something more subtle, if you can be bothered, would be fucking incredible
>>97663245Looks like it's picking its nose lol
>>97663257:(
>Do you make background for your army or do you just put it on the table?I do for 40k but Ligma I just focus on companies, squads, banners, markings, iconography etc. epic is a game of the grand battalions rather than specific marines. I do plan on naming all my warhound titan tho and making paper banners for it. I'm thinking arm mounted banners like the OG warhounds.
>>97663245Give it a tear drop in the corner of the eye and make them a combined RG and BA force.
>>97661669>TQI'm trying to make a fluffy Alpha Legion boarding party for ZM. /mydudes/ fluff is that they're a force of "loyalist" AL who have been attempting to oppose the efforts of an Emperor's Children commander (my opponent) in this local galactic region, slowing down and delaying his invasion of surrendering systems via assassination, sabotage, equipment theft etc.They're currently boarding and stealing ships to weaken him, aid the local Imperialis Armada forces and to regrow their fleet which took a hammering over Isstvan.
I'll need some shoulder pads from home but here's an indomitus sergeant with combi grenade amd power spear.
>>97663472Sexy. Legion?
>>97663479More Blackshields
>>97661927The Bible, bro
3rd Ed is such a rush job they didn't even bother correcting "Battalion I was composed of Veterans..." in the Legion lore org chart's Company section. This is even though the chart was revised to include Demi-Companies.
>>97663626The Black Book snippets are a psyop so when they get to book 7 and 8 they can sneak a few femstodes in and pretend they were always there
>>97661689I think you can both have the backstory for /yourdudes/, and also treat them as a canvas that gets painted on with whatever happens on the tabletop.>AL infiltration cell>Victory, but Warlord dies bringing enemy warlord out in the open.>Saboteur is the only surviving HQ, and sole surviving Seeker sarge is the one who gets the enemy warlord>Surviving Saboteur takes the persona of the previous warlord, Seeker sarge becomes the new Saboteur. Survivors are promoted to fill the casualties.>An identical link of the chain to replace the previous config.>New leader absorbs the memories of the previous one (who got the job the same way) and learns that guy's predecessor also got promoted the very same way>It's an unbroken chain of inheritance>He chooses not to tell the new recruits, just like his own senior battle brothers didn't tell him>"It does work"
anyone here an iron warrior fan?
>>97663734No, but I like stripes.
>>97663734Brother... this is like walking into a gay bar and asking if anybody is homosexual.
How to best represent Ashen Claws with Blackshields? RG Panopoly + spoils of war?
I am still unreasonably mad that every single Titan-centric story in the HH novel series ended up being so terrible, even by the already subterranean cthonic standards of BL writing. How do you fuck up the basic concept of "giant robots fight giant robots?"
>>97663774Who?
>>97663776Obviously they never watched gundam
>>97663776I'm still upset Mortis not only was one of the most boring, terrible novels of the entire series, but it also had the worst titan combat and not even a single sentence from the perspective of Legio Mortis.
>>97663825Titandeath was 400 pages and the actual titandeath was like three chapters, one of which was about Sanguinius.The FemC's impregnation, pregnancy, and birth recieved as much attention as the largest titan combat of the war.
Why do the warhound sprues in the LI starter set have 2 identical sets of loyalist and traitor heads with the exception of having only 1 of the chin piece per titan? and why was it that piece that went flying off and made me spend 20 minutes searching for it. I had to stop to get moral support from cat. If he had a name that translated well into latin i'd name the titan after him because I found the piece right after. >>97663825I liked the titan scenes in Betrayer.
>>97663877Spite.
>>97663121mistake after mistake sums up my life.i'm just trying to enjoy Mr bones's wild ride
>>97663923Honestly the best way to go about it, caring only gets you grey hairs.
>>97661848>Tfw I actually want to know about /your dudes/ (I'll include them in /my dudes/'s Notable Campaigns section)
>>97663952can't afford time to regret, learn and keep moving is the way to go.i'm a bit mad today, the virgin mojito was not virgin at all and i didn't notice.end of two month streak. ffs
>>97661669i don't have a "mydudes"all the fluff i make up is one off, since i lose almost all my games the usual backgrounds are various themes of "praetor dumbfuck and his clown company"
>>97662753Can we have something like this but without being Blackshield?
>>97663774They don't benefit from Raven's Talons at all, I'd go with spoils + eternal vendetta>>97663788Blackshield RG
>>97663964If you already managed a two month streak you can do it again, and longer. Pic reminds me I really need to get that xiphon for my DA painted, such an amazing model.
>>97663998You could probably get away with it if you threw in a splash of Ultramarine imagery/colors, sort of like how the Templar Brethren are a visual halfway point between regular Fists and modern Black Templars.
>>97663776What's wrong with them? I've never read any such story.But I watched that Hellsreach YouTube movie based on the novel lol. Crone of Invigilata ;__;
>>97663745Well ...are you?
>>97664100I play Dark Angels.
>>97664100not trazyns litteral pokeballs?
>>97664138I didn't find the picture I was looking for
>>97664093Titandeath is boring filler material that barely has any Titan death. Mortis is boring filler material that doesn't feature any scenes from a Legio Mortis crew's POV. It also completely wasted the Ordo Sinister. All that buildup and mystery from the tabletop game rulebooks, only for their novel debut to be a couple pages of a psi-titan standing around, accomplishing fuck-all, then getting smoked by Warmaster Titans.Maybe I'm a crazy person, but I'm also tired of Imperator Titans existing for the sole purpose of dying horribly.
>>97664158What would you have liked it to be? I wonder if the Kill Horus titan show satisfies people
Starting to put together my World Eaters veteran breacher squad. How are we feeling about melee loadouts with the unit? I'm just glad I can finally make Triarii work.
>>97664275More Titan fights, less meatbag drama. More scenes from the perspective of different Titan crews, both loyalist and traitor. More autistic technobabble, especially for the Ordo Sinister tech. Abnett's Titanicus wasn't perfect, but it did a better job of writing Titan combat in the crew chatter, weapon/tech babble, and grand strategy. It would have been cool to read about Titan crews riding heat curves and managing weapon range brackets, Techpriests juggling power distribution and reorienting shields, Imperator principes managing fire missions for battlefields multiple kilometers away, grand Titan formations shifting across intercontinental theaters on what should be grimdark planetary wars. Basically, Red Storm Rising but the pregnancy is replaced by giant robots.
>>97664275Not having titans constantly job to the nearest Primarch.
>>97664283Hard to go wrong with veteran breachers. Only mistake is loading them up with too many upgrades I think, they only got a 3+ armour save at the end of the day.
>>97664283love the look. what did you use for the rod of the spear?
>>97664275Kill Lupercal was great. Short and sweet, just pure flavor.>>97664328How about some FUCKING secutarii being mentioned, for once, instead of titans suddenly spawning lascannon point defense turrets fucking everywhere they aren't on the goddamn models. How about authors that actually looked at the fucking models before writing a dozen first drafts and assembling them into a book?Here's the thing that bothers me so much about BL and why it really is just slop. You have a setting with mortal soldiers, super soldiers, magic soldiers, tanks, giant mechs, space ships, and the entire series is just G.I. Joe with space wizards. There's no claustrophobic stories of tank commanders, there's no pilots, what little there is about titan crews is them just sitting around, there's no Star Trek Enterprise to have a cast of the crew of a spaceship and how complicated it is to operate them, eight bazillion novels and it's all just Joe-Schmoe on the ground with a sword. Even all the politicking of titan legions just gets balled up and ignored in the corner so you can have a chapter about having a tea kettle in the titan's head unit.Even the blasphemous possession of titans by demons was just because a princeps had a hissy fit and decided to stick one in and then it grew a tail and that was IT.
>>97664429The saddest thing about the setting will always be how much limitless potential it has, and GW's complete and utter lack of being able to fully utilise it.
>>97663998It’s pretty common in the military for soldiers to wear patches or get tattoos as well as other signifiers of their specific company, you could probably paint an arm or kneepad red and yellow, maybe having the Howling Griffon’s symbol as a secondary symbol to the Ultramarine heraldry.
>>97664429Secutarii get a fair shake in Betrayer but I can't think of anywhere else in HH which is a shame because they are unreasonably cool. Helsreach also features them which I think gets to the point since since 2014 knights and robots have usurped and stolen their role as titan support units and GW will always feature an expensive knight model over a fluffy and cool Secutarii they barely have models for. Even in Ligma a game where having titans and secutarii fighting together would be perfect in both fluff and gameplay (to paraphrase the greatest Russian military thinker of M2 "Titan Legions are commanded by total idiots; you send in the secutarii first, then the god engines") what native support units do they have:>thallaxii>4 flavours of cybernetica robots>tech thrall blobs with laslocks. What they don't have:>SecutariiIf you want something akin to Secutarii you'd need to use an Auxillia or Skittari allies formation and shoot any tourneyfags who complain about violating the rules on allied units dead on the spot.
>>97664383Yeah, they're definitely a points sink. Giving half the squad just chainaxes, but it's still pretty pricey.>>97664402Just a length of brass rod - simple, but effective. I'm going to have to put something on the butt of the spear and around the haft to make it look more like a convincing power weapon, but as a proof of concept I'm pretty happy with it. They're also getting half-capes, to mark them out as a veteran, command unit.
>>97664578>half capesawesome
>>97663241https://limewire.com/d/siHGZ#rFvx4CoAdw
>>97664578what mm of rod is that? never used any in my conversions but thinking about building some spearmen of my own and your kitbash has given me the inspiration to go forward with it.As for the butt of the spear id think about a simple greenstuff ball for a pommel of some kind.>halfcape over the shield side to obfuscate his leg movementsabsolutely peak stuff anon, keep it up
>>97664003Seems like AC were straight up traitors, what were they doing at the Garmon cluster?
>>97664960They're not traitors, they're renegades. They don't give a fuck about the Emperor or Horus they just want to carve out their pirate space empire
>>97663964don't get hung up about it and get back to it, also why do you even have that stuff in the house if you are trying to stay clean, spill that shit out in the sink or toilet.
>>97663472where is the combi bolter tho
>>97663245where did you get that skull?
>>97663626Yes it is GW slop so, we will never get Blight era again.
>>97664965>They don't give a fuck about the Emperor
>>97663776Ember Wolves, Titandeath and Tallarn are pretty good Titan stories.
>>97664967i went to a bar silly me, i hate bars
>>97662604>>97663044>>97663067>Index Astartes Pre-Heresy IH: black>Visions of Heresy IH: black>99% of people's armies: black, metallic black>One FW paint scheme that a handful of people followed: oilslick>HURR DURR DIS MEANS DUH IRUN FINGEEZ R GREEN GURRRRRRRRRFucking retards.
>>97664821>limewireIs that even still a thing...?
I visited another general and I had no idea how good this one was, have a nice weekend everyone.
>>97665114Ok I accept your concession, but praise be to FW for making IH scheme unique with the oily look since there were already two other legion who were black, DA and RG.
>finishing up Know No Fear>Gulliman designates red helmets as a sign of command before the Battle of Calth is even overI figured it’d be a post-Heresy thing with Thiel being a unique case until it was over. Good to know for future units, I’ve only got one done so far.
>>97662179>RGMatte Black>DAGlossy Black>IHMetallic Black
Are Blackshield Seekers the best unit in the game?I can make them BS6 with The Flesh Is Weak and allied Cybertheurgy, which means they'll be firing 20 bolt shots each phase that hit on a 2+ (with 6 autowounding), wound on a 4+ and ignore saves due to Breaching 4+, for an average of 10 dead tacticals.You can do the same with the traitor prime benefit, but with Blackshields you can spam them because EVERY Seeker unit is eligible for Cybertheurgy rather than requiring a prime slot AND you can use Pride Is Our Armour to turn all your troops slots into elites. Giving you a list of nothing but Seekers, Tech-Priests and whatever command tax + AT you need.
I'd like to make 2000 points Auxilia list with infantry, tanks and artillery, but there a suggested number of how many basic lasgun units you should have and should you go 10 or 20 men?
>>97665231Novels aren't canon.
>>97665289Are you intending to fill the remaining 1000/3000pts with allies?
>>97665323Probably more Auxilia, maybe a very big tank as a center piece. Or maybe some terminators or other marine elite for fluff.
>>97648050What models did your friends use for the militia infantry?
>>97665343Looks like wargames atlantic grognards
>>97665343I'd reckon on those being Les Grognards infantry from WGA.
>>97665277>EVERY Seeker unit is eligible for CybertheurgyFlesh is weak makes them Automata. It does not make them part of the Mechanicum faction.Read the rules
>>97665397>>97665413NTA but is this same backpack? I assume they're covering up the canteen they got on their backs.
>>97665431No. The guns also look different. Grog bodies seem to be the base. Heads too. The rest looks converted.
>>9766528915 man 4 units is a minimum, 4 10 man if you can get your hands on aurox's
>>97662495Some of them are, they can revive corpses
>>97665289your las sections are your Line, so you need them for scoring; you improve them with Line Command Sections (you will need more than one to keep your scoring going all game, otherwise when one goes down or is out of range, all your scoring drops)you can get some fast scoring by adding an Infantry Tercio Detachment and putting a Hermes squad in it; you'll need an (allied) unit with a command vox relay, but you can charge forward (potentially scoring VP for Vanguard, but don't count on it) then switch the Hermes from Vanguard (2) to Line (1) which becomes Line (2) with a Line Command Section in 18" if the Hermes has Infantry Tercio from being taken in the Infantry Tercio Detachment (the tanks in that detachment get it too, but they can never score)Cohort Doctrines just unlock free Detachments now (without requiring additional Command choices) so although Ultima is tempting for the free Reaction, Veletaris is a good one for bundling out of transports and hacking a bitch up, Mechanised ups your DPS, and Siege Pattern is god mode on your Basilisks and Medusas - Pinning (3) on the Medusas will let your lasrifles stroll up to the objective while the enemy is cowering in their own filthso you'll always need some but it depends on your playstyle, unless you want Iron Pattern, then you can use them as screening chaff and run robots with tech-priests to cap the objectives, though that does limit the priests to the basic three Cybertheurgic Rites (and the Heterodox rites)
>>97665782>Veletaris is a good one for bundling out of transports and hacking a bitch upIt's not, actually, because all it does it let them Volley Attack before charging and Veletari have 1-2 ranged weapons (a Frag Grenade and the Prime's pistol if he took the Tabar)
>>97665799it lets them Set-Up before Charging too anon :)
>>97666010Having Demolish Draconsans that carry them able to move and fire at full strength is better though
Can see why GW is doing this, normies are so easily confused. Still hate the change though, but after switching to a different paint brand I won't be buying GW's paints anyway.
>>97666168Jesus christ how soulless
>>97665430NTA, but how about you do so first. Overcharged reactors doesn't actually require the target to be mechanicum
>>97666225Unlike the current globohomo paints?
>>97666168I hate this
>>97666234Abilities can only target other members of the same faction, anon-kun. This <Keyword: Wu Tang Clan> shit the OP is trying is illegal WAACfaggery, plain and simple
>>97665114Cool bait.
>>97666168Probably the same reason behind FW becoming SGS.
>>97666319Tbf this one has precedent due to all the retards who treated FW like a separate company and their rules as non-official as a result
>>97666336Yeah that's what I was thinking about. I've seen some people do the same with Citadel.
>>97666272Oh OK troll, thanks for letting me know before I wasted my time
>>97666341Funnily FW is 'more' legit that Citadel because like Black Library it is just what GW calls that specific part of their company, legally they're the same entity.Citadel Miniatures on the other hand was a subsidiary company (separate legal identity but owned by GW), no idea if they still are
>>97666350>Has no argument to support his WAACfaggotry so just goes "muh troll"Ok nogames retard
>>97666272That rule doesn't exist in HH. This isn't 40k you tourist.
>>97666361>That rule doesn't exist in HH.Source it.Even if you can, specialist games use the base game rules as a basis before modifying themEven if they didn't, it's obviously still designer intent so any opponent should kick you in your WAAC micropenis and win by default
>>97666373>Source it.That is not how that works you fucking retard. You are claiming such a rule exists, there for it is on you to post a screenshot of the HH rulebook proving its existence. You can't post proof of a rule not existing, because it fucking doesn't exist. It's like asking for pictures of Santa Claus riding a unicorn. >Rules writers intentTwo people can read the same rules and get completely different conclusion of what the writers intent is. It is entirely subjective and based on "vibes" which makes it the most unreliable way to resolve rules arguments. Now post the rule from the HH rulebook or GTFO you subhuman tourist.
>>97666373>Even if you can, specialist games use the base game rules as a basis before modifying themI'm not part of this convo, I know that you are shitposting but I have to write this in case some autist actually starts thinking HH players like 40k. I fucking hate 40k and would never subject myself willingly to endure a game of 40k without getting paid by an amount that's followed by at least 4 zeros. I plan on keeping 40k out of my life however short it might end up being from all the resin within my lungs. If after it someone ever associates me with anything 40k related I will come back as a vengeful spirit and haunt that person so that everytime he comes within a meter of a table he will stub his toes till the rapture comes and the archangels have to escort him away from me.
>>97666388You first subhuman cheater
>>97665277>Are [the best unit in the game] the best unit in the game if you further buff them?Idk you tell me
>>97666400>Doesn't have a responseLol, you're such a pathetic retard. Is this your first time trying to troll? Go back to eating crayons you dumb fucking loser, top kek.All you had to do was post proof of the rule you claim exists. But it doesn't, and now you're exposed for the complete and utter fucking retard that you are.
>>97665277They still can't even scratch a fucing Rhino, and die as easy as a tactical marine. They're good into infantry but even units with an invulnerable save will give them a hard time.
>>97662743>They bickered over this for hours
>Disordered charges deny the EC's, BA's and WE's traitsThe only good Rhino is a dead Rhino
>>97665231Sleeping on it and organizing my thoughts, I think the book was just okay. Dan Abnett had easy to read prose, writing engaging moment to moment scenes. but I feel like he wasted a lot of time. I didn’t think there needed to be that many chapters dedicated to nothing else but describing things blowing up. The Ollanius Persson chapters genuinely did not feel like they added anything to the book, wasting more pages. The details on how the Ultramarines mounted a resistance and regained a sense of control over the situation was neat, but felt sort of glossed over and not given enough time, and I’d blame the chapters about Persson the most for wasting time since at least the excessive descriptions about things blowing up were actually about the Battle of Calth.
Goimg to mount a smart brick in my models
>>97666399This is the same dude as like 4 months ago. He had the exact same trolling format. I guess his ban wore off.
>>97664975Box of skulls
Does Decalfag play Horus Heresy?
>>97667090who is decalfag?
>>97664973It's a shoulder mounted grenade launcher
good day lads
I i did some stupid shit. I've been a collector for a while and I've ended up buying and painting versus emperors children character models, including fulgrim transfigured, Lucy, the terminator and power armour praetor and an overseer in EC colours.I have however no idea on how to actually start a hereticus EC army. What troops should I get? How do I an army out of this?
>>97667202I liked that book
>>97667363Well, you need a 3000+ point army to field Fulgrim.Since you have an overseer, there's no reason not to field at least a squad of auxilia beside them. At least 1 box of tacticals split into 2x10-man squads would be a good idea, and two rhinos. Otherwise it's a matter of what appeals to you.
>windy so spraying is a pain>humid due to storm coming through so spraying wouldn’t be a good idea regardlessDoes anyone have experience with paint on varnish? My guys are a singular step before being finished lmao.
>>97667363Melee units to start. EC does their best in melee, especially on the charge. So some despoilers and a unit or 2 of palatine blades to drive enemies off objectives and get vanguard points. Get sonic shriekers for your palatine blades to keep enemies from overwatching, countercharging, or otherwise reacting to their charges.I recommended despoilers because when they get shot you can make them stupefied. Stupefied gives them +1 strength, 6+ FNP, and no tactical statuses, but all shots are snap shots. This helps despoilers/palatines make their charges.You said you have Fulgrim Transfigured and a few praetors? Good. You can take the Brotherhood of the Phoenix detachment. Sprinkle your sonic shrieker praetors with your despoilers to protect them when you charge. It's pricey but you're playing EC. Lean into it and be excessive.Then invest in some way to get your screamers up to the front lines. Land raiders or rhinos, depends on your local meta or how hard you think you'll be shot at. LRs are tougher but rhinos are faster.Now for shooting. Kakophoni are a great way to stun enemies so you can charge safely (remember EC always want to be in melee), but skip if you want pure damage. Invest in lascannon support squads (or lascannon land raiders) to deal with enemy armor. Skip the sun killers.As >>97667481 said, add some auxillia lasrifle sections to get more Line units. They can hold the backline while your despoilers take the frontline.>Disclaimer: I am a dumbass who knows nothing. If you take this advice and lose that's your problem not mine.
>>97666310Not bait, facts.>>97665130I concede nothing you disingenuous boy buggering poofter. And so what if there are other Legions in black? There are two in blue and three in red. The differentiation comes from other aspects. And anyway, why should IH have to be the ones who change? DA are 1st, IH are 10th, if there can only be two in proper black then the Emo Come Lately's of the 19th should be the ones who get some retarded retcon scheme - in fact, oily purple-greeny-blackish suits them way better anyway, raven feathers and wotnot.
>>97662169So Autek Mor's boys become the Red Talons, but is there any lore about which parts of the legion becomes the Brazen Claws? They share the claw for a chapter badge, both are red.
>>97667822they're all Clan Morragul and I think ultimately all under "Iron Hand" Autek Mor during the heresy, but when they split up obvs he could only run one Chapter
What would a good name be for a WE Heavy Weapons squad be?
>>97667822My headcanon is>~1000 based and redpilled Autekchads become Red Talons>Medusan Cuck Council + some of Meduson's guys become nu-IH>Brazen Claws are leftover Autekchads +the Medusons guys who refused to serve alongside cucks
>>97667988Teeth (of Khorn)
>>97667988WTF Is A Kilometer?!
>>97668000I thought Meduson and his guys got butchered at the end in a repeat performance of Manus recklessly charging at his enemies. Pretty sure nu-IH were just the leftovers on Medusa who weren’t good enough to join their primarch.
>>97667822As the other anon said still morragul. Mor has 5k IHs alone along with fists and half a chapter worth of shattered legions guys under his command by the time of the Bodt attack, there is no way they are letting him keep all of that.
>>97666934Likely, trolls are usually repeat offenders.
>>97667988Nice freehand visions of heresy WE symbol.It's my 2nd favourite version of the legion symbol after the early 2000s canine MEGACHOMP version.
>>97667988>>97668275>make sick alt emblem>only used in WD Index Astartes
>>97666684I think only Night Lords and Death Guard are the ones who can use Rhinos effectively
>>97668412wtf is this real?!?
>>97668470It's just a golshi edit bro
>>97667988I feel like a handheld hmg is much more efficient way of pleasing khorne than an axe.
Why does Magnus, the largest of the primarchs, not simply eat the other seventeen?
>>97668412What? Rhinos are very effective for any army, even just being to move the full 12" and still have units disembark is low key overpowered.
>>97667988I should pick up a devastator squad kit before 40k inevitably squats it in favor of primaris. Ammo backpacks are cool.
>>97668869It’s starting to disappear from shelves in my city, I’d get it sooner than later.
>>97668657It is wild that transports can move their full distance and the units inside can still both move and charge. Even 40k doesn't let a unit move or charge after disembarking a transport that moved.And it's 40k, those guys allow anything.Moving and charging on a disembark at half move; disembark only at full move. I would be okay with that. But I'm silly and sometimes ask for silly things, so I don't know.
>my super blue bottle glued itself shutThis keeps happening. Good thing I’ve got no resin models that need it, but this is a real pain.
>>97668657I would hate to put despoilers in a Rhino only for them to lack a trait when they charge out of it. And then the benefit is frowned upon by other players and called overpowered?That makes using Rhinos WAAC. That's bad
>>97669075Get small tube pilled.
>>97669133Yeah but the thing is, if you are charging your dispoilers into the proper targets, that bonus does not really matter that much. If you are slinging a 10 man dispoiler squad, with sgt having paired lightening claws, and then like 2 spears or what ever power weapons you want, into say a tactical squad? You are gonna murderize that tactical squad.Rhinos are not OP, but if you combo shit right, it can really throw people out for a loop, but Their power legit is based upon what your table looks like. If you are able to hide your rhino? Its VERY strong, because it gives a very large threat range for what ever you are packing. For example if i stuff a 10 man vet breacher squad with 4 las cutters into a rhino and keep that rhino out of LOS of threats, that thing has a threat range of:Rhino movemnt + Vet breacher movement + Range of weapons, which is a LOT of area of denial or threat. Same with dispoilers. Now if you cant hide that rhino? Its a lot less powerful now. Either way though being able to move a vehicle its full movement, AND jump out of it and move the unit inside, AND charge, is fucking nuts but fun.
>>97669140i member this shit getting on my fingersfuggg
Karate custode
>>97669148Oh my god enough with killing Tacticals as a goal. That's a low bar to pass: EVERYTHING defeats tacticals. The Rhino running over the Tacticals defeats Tacticals. What are they going to do? Attack with a single meltabomb? OoOoOh scary.>Vet Breachers in a RhinoNow that's scary. Though we're not dissing Rhinos here - they're proper useful and no longer made of wet cardboard.I'm just...lamenting the blandness of Despoilers...I really don't know.I'm trying to scrounge some use out of EC Despoilers, but on a disordered charge they are as nothing. They are even less than Ultramarine Despoilers, who have no synergy about them.Emperor's Children are a melee legion, yet I can't make Despoilers work for them, since I refuse to have them walk (that's for commoners).I was doing math for EC Inductii and they're amazingly bad. Imagine paying +30 pts to be able to do 0.3 FEWER wounds, no longer be able to get a Vexilla (super important in 3.0), and get a rule for better bravery in the shooting phase...at the cost of -1Ld and worse bravery in a melee.I can avoid exposing them in the shooting phase at all already. Hardening them against shooting at the cost of worse melee coolness is literally the worst possible thing one could do! And charnabal sabres are sooooo bad right now! At least they do strike earlier with them, I guess...But hey, at least they kill Big Strong Tacticals huh? ;__;
>>97669256>KarateThat's their thing. Heeeyah! xDDD
I wish the fucking 40k tourists would leave this thread alone. Stay in your own containment thread for your fucking garbage game please.
>>97668241>there is no way they are letting him keep all of that.What are they going to do to stop him though?
Is running allies fun? I was thinking about doing Imperial Fists and Blood Angels.
>>97669392Only if you can do detachment jenga[laughs in militia]
>>97669392There’s nowhere near as much granularity as there was in previous editions, when the alliance matrix still guided what benefits were applicable. Allies feel a lot more bland in 3.0 imo. Less flavor and more detachment shenanigans.
>>97669663Can you use the special assignment prime benefit in an allied detachment? I want to run Kharn but I want Militia as my primary.
>>97669774Yes
>>97669774IIRC Uniques may only select Logistical Benefit as their Prime, so no Kharn
>>97669996I think they changed precisely that, so you could indeed bring named characters as allies
>>97669996>>97670049Why don't we check the FAQ which is provided for free on War-Com that is easily accessible as just shy of every device has an inbuilt pdf reader.
>>97669352Brother, with the advent of 3e we are in no position to call a game "garbage."
>>97670093Until all combis have the same weapon profile, 3.0 is still better than 10e
>>97666168>still no dropper bottles NGMI
>>97666168atrocity
>>97667988Ppl have no idea how good they have it with plasic heresy looking back to the beginning.
>>97669256what's her name?
>>976700933.0 isn't even in the same country as current 40k when it comes to the game's quality. 2.0 wasn't an actual finished game but a first draft alpha playtest phase, so it doesn't count.
>>97669335>2 power mauls and a pair of claws do more damage than 10 guys with charnabalsGrim. Full grim.
>>97670056I don't want to download the file into my phone to answer anon's question
>>97670150Don't answer questions when you don't know the correct answer.
>>97670093>>97670109Until 3rd strips out points and makes the only meaningful decisions in unit building how many identical blobs of units you want to bring, it is better than 10th edition Until 3rd rips out everything that makes an army different other than base stats amd makes every datasheet just a shuffle of the same 10 different abilities, so it's literally just finding the way to make the same BIS combos and toolkits for the most efficiency, it's still better than 10th edition Until 3rd makes the most efficient scoring 3 of a single character teleporting up and down every turn so it can hide out of LOS easily and be near completely uninteractable while the rest of the army gets in your face as fast as possible at you and mobs you in your deployment zone with no real ability to kill you, just annoy both players, because this is literally the way GW intends you to play this army, it is better than 10th editionUntil 3rd decides that your "army" is actually 6 datasheets and 90% of your units are removed to the point where people actively don't want their army to get updated, it is better than 10th edition Until-
does anybody knows when will that custodes box will be dropping? because when i saw some auctions of e-bay it said either 30.04-3.05 or 30.03-02.04.
>>97670161I shall. You are powerless to stop me
>>97670170no I don't know when the troonstodes drop but the models still look awful
>>97670164>the most efficient scoring 3 of a single character teleporting up and down every turn so it can hide out of LOS easilyWho's doing that? Teleporting...I think Tau Coldstars and one Necrons dynasty does that
>>97661705>>97661718>>97661848>make up colourful narratives, but tell them to no one but yourselfFor 30 years now, this dichotomy has thrived. I think the hobby has/used to have a high proportion of people with the specific position on the spectrum where the autism is strong enough to take hold, but not strong enough to take over. This explains why so many of us are here, yet still loathe the kind of people who can't keep themselves from autistically ranting.>>97663960And this particular behaviour is a specific kind of proxy for male bonding, which has existed since the first paleolithic hunters invented story telling about the hunts they survived.Storytelling and a nervous balancing of sharing VS shaming seems to cling to the Y chromosome throughout the ages.
>>97670183Not sure if this means you're an arrogantly wrong WBfag or a misinformation spreading ALfag...
>>97670194anon, i care only about dread and a tank, and those models look decent. i'd even say good. besides that venatari look normal.
>>97670203There is a wide variety to autism, nay may I say diverse. Weaponized autism can be a boon, just look at Perturabo.
>>97670170There’s a good chance it’s soon, there’s not much in the way of reveals left in the wings. I can see it happening before Adepticon.
>>97670231i wonder if they're going to refresh sagittarii and aquilon custodes, and if we get conversion kits back with melta spears.
>>97670238Only a matter of time, HH team members have repeatedly stated their intention to release everything in plastic eventually (including legion specifics, though those will be last)
will Venatari be sold in the box of 3 or 6?
Anybody know if it's possible to magnetise all the weapon options on the plastic Deredeo dreadnought? Fucking GW decided to stop providing pics of the sprue on their webstore.
Invictus or Locutarus?
>>97670449Isn’t that a Victrix bit?
>>97669156Use no run gel glue, gramp.
>>97670449Are you hiding primaris ear flaps behind those eagle wings?
>>97670238yes more spears with no triggers lmao
>>97670449
>>97670195It was what happened in my last game of 10th before I quit and started back in heresy, was playing against pre codex orks. It was made me realize I was having 0 fun, so I took my CSM army (which was already built using burning of prospero models anyway) started playing HH2, and found my love for the hobby again
>>97670498What's something you find enjoyable of 30k? Every time I ask, people say different things. We all have our own experience
>>97670458Sasshhh>>97670486Ssssfiiiine>>97670490Sssshutuuuup
>>97670449I'd allow it, but the sergeant helmet doesn't get the pass.
>>97670449>>97670458>>97670486>>97670490>>97670520>>97670535Artificer armour ;)
>>97670543B-but the classic winged helmet is based on the mk vii, t-thats illegal c-cause the Ultramarines wouldn’t be able to have it even with the new retcons.
>>97670449Ultras have been ruined by these hideous helmets. There used to be variety but now every elite smurf just gets a pigeon on his face
>>97670535Holy mother of mold lines
>>97670477maybe you've had better luck with this stuff but i frankly only find it applicable for the most coarse of applications, shit will goop over details and get pressed out everywhere with its thickness oh-so readily but there's plenty of circumstance where it's better than thin CA for surepotentially just not as precise to apply outright either i foundbut having both on hand can be dank. not an either-or thing in my eyes tho
Tried one of the new Relic Hunt missions yesterday, they seem quite an improvement over the core missions from the main rulebook. No seize the initiative or first strike, fixed objective marker placement, and having commanders with a good intelligence stat can be much more important than having tactical squads in rhinos do a mad dash to the objectives. Would definitely recommend if you don't enjoy the basic core missions meta much.
>>976701643rd edition was enough like nu40K to cause pretty much all the guys who left nu40K to play Heresy in my area to quit again. It's plenty bad enough to be lumped in.
>>976707043rd ed 40k was kino, 4th too.
>>97668641Perhaps they are saving that for Sweeps.
>>97670449Suzies but no 40k bits.
>>97670589>shit will goop over detailsYou can wipe it off, and you can scoop a tiny goop with a needle or your knife.
Man I wish I didn’t read Horus heresy/40k/primarch lore. I got into 40k with death guard for the aesthetic. But man, reading about Mortarion is rough. He’s such an insufferable bitch/fag I don’t get how anyone like half these primarchs. Bunch of melodramatic hysterical broads.
>>97670793>I don’t get how anyone like half these primarchs.There are people that actually like the primarchs? That's news to me.
>>97670793Yeah, I have a similar issue with picking a legion to paint. I twist myself into knots to find a legion I like. Thankfully I've managed to settle myself into the Iron Hands
>>97670811Just a heads up, your primarch is kill
>>97670773>scoop, goop and poop
>>97670793Elaborate on why you think Mortarion is unsufferable bitch?You can play a legion even if you do not like the primarch, many legion chapter had this feel.
Another day another jump pack vet. This time a Unification Wars vet. Whatcha working on Anon?
>>97670860Unification honors.
>>97670837I think that's more of a benefit. Because if Ferrus was still alive you wouldn't have the stark difference in strategy between Shadrak Meduson and Autek Mor, they both would still be under the command of their Primarch
>>97670860grinding out another 10 militia chuds to avoid finishing my thallax (I decided to paint their armor white because I hate myself)
>>97670324the weapons join to weapon-specific ammo packs that are on the body; you could leave them attached to the weapons and just magnetize the shoulder but the packs kind of clip into the body and eventually the cabling between weapon and pack is going to break, assuming it even has enough give to clip on and offsome sprues are on the anvilus config
>>97669335if you weren't such a newfag you'd know the only proper use for despoilers is 20 in a spartan
>these stats are staggerin'>had his phd in indiscreet street hagglin'
>>97669352oh he mad
>>97671021Sick
>>97670704They should get on the ligma bandwagon it's rules are straight out of 1994
>>97670203>still loathe the kind of people who can't keep themselves from autistically ranting.Because it holds up the game and I'm trying to kill things
offering another opportunity to kneel/apologize or whatever else
>>97669335>EC inductiicheap way of getting lots of breaching 6+ melee; you're exchanging the chance of D2 weapons for the exact same chance of AP2 weaponsvs MEQ that goes from 1/36 for 2W or 1/18 for 1W (or for 1W targets where Shred is irrelevant, from 1/12) to 1/12 for 1W ie in general 1/12 either way but against higher T targets (with any save better than 5+) better than chainswords - you're trading more and faster Wounds vs the occasional D2 Wound when you attack multi-wound models, and you're negating armour saves with your more, faster Woundsif you're still losing melee with slicey dicey squad in the assault phase you deserve to run away; that's literally the point of the rule, it's literally the flavour text of the rule, can't you read? chance of passing Ld/Cl on 7 is ~58% (~3/5), chance of 2 out of 3 dice passing on 7 is lower - ~42% or ~2/5; pigeonhole gets you 6 or 8 but never 7, and the chance of 3*4 or greater on any of these rolls is only 1/8 (1/8 is 3x smaller than 2/5)LH:EC also lets you Stupefy *after* completely resolving any Shooting Attack - so even Volley Fire is going to give them FNP6+ and +1S during combat and for at least the rest of the turn YOU charge in, without hurting combat performance in other ways; that lets them deal with T5 TEQ at 1/24 per W instead of 1/72 per D2W or 1/36 per 1W for chainies>i was doing the mathwere you? were youbecause it seems like you didn't understand anything and just blurted out your first thoughts like a retard who always laughed and said "when am I not going to have a calculator?" without ever grasping that not knowing how to use that calculator is what the problem is>0.3 Woundswounds are an either/or proposition, you can't do decimal wounds, and you can't add up non-wounds to make whole woundsprobability =/= stats
>>97670860I would be working on finishing my vets if the world didn't apparently decide to have a flesh tearers red shortage. Three different sources that were apparently secretly out of stock, including my LGS
>>976710832.0 libres>2.0 rulebook3.0 rulebook>3.0 libres
>>97670137What's the name of the tough grandma from Kung Fu Hustle?
>>97671166>libres
And so the project begins
>>97671206Homie why are you so dirty @__@
>>97671214I've re built my bike engine and im doing some airbrush painting before I have a shower.
I think this head from the new Cataphractii kit would be quite useful for Master of Signals/Descent given his techy bits and respirator. Could work as a Librarian, as well.
>>97671236Oh, well, at least you're productive.
>>97671259That could be a lot of things, that'd just a good piece in general
>>97671085Im not going to stupefy them. They aren't necessarily loyalists, but the goal is for them to be Emperor's Children as paragons, not as degenerates.>probability =/= statsI'm not calculating probabilities, I'm calculating Average Damage.If your average is low, then it means you'll need to roll good in order to win. But if the average is high, then even an unlikely bad roll will still be sufficient.Do all the math you wish and you'll see two power mauls and a Twin Claws Sergeant are better than two power mauls and eight charnabal sabres, and cheaper to boot, and with access to a vexilla on top of that.Seeing they get a power weapon every 4 instead of every 5 (to account for their lack of sergeant), they are at their best at 12, 16 and 20. Though higher numbers may do even better as they go killing more enemy despoilers before they get to strike.Conversely , EC Inductii may be at their weakest at, guess what, 10 lmao.But yeah, I swear by Average Damage, it's unironically very informative. Many times I've rolled and I get +/-1 of the Average Damage and go "as expected".
>>97671021Oh that’s cute, where’s this from?
Why is Uranus so spikey?
>>97671394kek
>>97671394It's a self-defence feature. Like with some species of sea cucumbers, who have teeth in their anus as a deterrent to parasites and eels using their rear end as a hiding spot.
>>97671394>Perturabo was the one in charge of taking this during the Solar WarPerturabo getting the shitty assignments as always
>>97671425he was literally tasked with taking the entire Sol System
>>97671425>tfw primarch asks what's so funny about sending Warsmith Biggus Dickus to take Uranus
>>97671486imagine what the legionary that asked perty this would look like after the fact lmfao
>>97671486>Not Remus VentanusMissed opportunity anon.
>>97671522TUD
>>97671431and failed to do so
>>97671538lol, amazing image hahhahhaha
>>97671538WB Won! Twice!
>*walks in on ur failed siege*>*scatters u to the wind like pigs before the gun*>*elaborates at length to the seething loyalist survivors*
>>97671503immediately teleported in the labyrinth to be Angron's boytoysame with every inductii that makes 6-7 joke
>>97667202good day !i am doing workouts now, helps with the whole sober thingalso did an initiation to 30k to 2 people, and i have one booked next week
>>97671664Pretty models anon
>Kino sea battle heavy warWhy do the cool conflicts never get expanded upon?
>>97671259The only good part of the kit.
>>97671955Because the cool battles that get expanded upon get turned into retarded drivel.>See: Siege of Terra, fight between Emperor and Horus, Isstvan V, Beta-Garmon, etc...The old lore todbits about what are now extensively expanded upon battles and fights are always so much more cool and interesting.
>>97671955This does sound pretty neat honestly. But >>97671980 is right, often the best parts of the setting are these small pieces of lore rather than the super detailed, heavily expanded upon campaigns.
>>97671980so true we will never get FW black boobs again
>>97671999>FW black boobs>Black boobs>BoobsAnother Freudian slip, ADB?
>>97672041Boobs been on my mind, I meant books. ADB is a retard fag.
>>97671955>seaborne aircraft carriers>White Scars vs. Alpha Legion Top GunGoddamn, that's sick.
>>976707103rd Heresy, you obtuse mongoloid.
>>97671955What's the deal with that? Are the space marines just carting around oceanic ships and carriers on their interstellar ships and carriers in case they need them or something?
>>97671955>Aircraft carriers>Assaulting Oil Rigs>Major focus on air wars, which we never really get>Alpha Legion That is fucKING SICK!
I remember an old lore tidbit about Terminator armor replacing regular power armor and it was hard believing looking at Indomitus pattern armor, but building the Cataphractii kit, this just a regular suit of armor with huge Pauldrons, it’s very believable.
>>97671522>didn’t escape Calth>forced to fight a major underground war in the caverns of Calth until the Heresy was overI’m surprised he got a newer mini over Thiel, though I suppose it’s in the name.
>>97672523Calth is a pretty kino part of the Heresy. Has anyone ever based their army/board around the Underground War?
>>97672332>Are the space marines just carting around oceanic shipsUh they're Battle BARGES, anon ;^)
>>97672561I adore how silly this was lmfao
>>97672253Hey man the WS and the Khan are based af you kike
>>97672546it would be dark
>>97672601>it would be darkGrim, perhaps?
Based or cringe, that is the question.
>>97672631I legit love this scene as much as I hate it. Amazingly awful. Awfully amazing.
>>97672631Cringe, making primarchs unkillable gods at every scale of battle is gay. They should be invincible on an infantry scale, punked out on a main battle tank scale, and their personal impact should be negligible by the time you hit superheavies let alone titans. Maybe if it was holding back a land raider from running him over instead.
>>97672709even though I play Loyalists I like the idea of Dorn dying to basic cultists because it conclusively shows that Primarchs aren't actually invincible to mortals and you can't pull a "he actually wanted it" like with Curze.
When are we getting a proper Rogal Dorn with his iconic Soulspear?
>>97672546I haven’t read the story where they go over it, but I imagine you can’t do much in the way of tank battles or heavy weapons in underground arcology. I suppose if it’s DAoT bullshit construction they could.
>>97672850The book makes it clear some places are big enough for tanks, Dreads etc to be used during fights but I imagine if >>97672546 wanted to represent the Underworld War he'd be better served using Zone Mortalis.
>>97672631Based
>>97672631based>>97671955kino
>>97672812Pictured, Rogal and the soulspear
>>97671379Like it or not, Stupefy serves a rhino unit better than Flawless execution, as it can be activated on any "shooting attack", like volley fire. So, your enemy will simply not risk firing shots of opportunity at your melee units.Sounds like a win?
>>97670811But do you paint them black or simply an intensely dark gunmetal? : )
>>97672469It makes more sense under the context of the Legions facing almost exclusively inferior arms that get noped so hard by terminator armor that mobility stops being an issue/requisite. Stops being a good idea when your primary opponent becomes other Astartes
>>97671955Think they had submarine operations? It’s cool switching up futuristic space naval warfare for good old fashioned open sea naval battles.>>97672469Tbf the current cataphractii kit has been widely criticized for being way too lanky and not the brick shithouse it was meant to be. A more reasonable comparison would be tartaros and mkIV maximus armor imo.
>>97673363I like to think Dorn getting fileted by cultists was orchestrated by Omegon in revenge of this
>>97672469Indomitus was designed to be easier to produce compared to the other terminator armours. The main reason it exists is because of the incredible high attrition during the Horus Heresy, indomitus was meant to only be temporary.Tartaros terminator armour clearly was meant to become the replacement of power armour. It offers close to the same protection of heavier terminator armour like cataphractii or indomitus, whilst still allowing the wearer close to the same freedom of movement as power armour. The new cataphractii kit is not actual terminator armour. It's as you said, only a regular suit of power armour with big pauldrons. Which is why it's straight up an objective downgrade in all aspects from the old plastic cataphracii terminators. Yet GW thinks they can charge even more for less, worse models. It's a sick joke.
>>97673910>The new cataphractii kit is not actual terminator armour.don't do me like this anonwhat would compel you to say something so cutting beyond its actually being so oh my god it's so fucked
>>97673936The truth hurts, and staying silent or pretending otherwise won't change it.
>>97672631Cringe
>>97673815The kit’s torso is where I really noticed it. There’s three bundles of cables(?) that run under the chest plate that you can see on the stomach that I recognized from the midhammer Tactical Squad torsos. Structurally, it’s like they took a Mk VIII chest plate and fused it with the power pack to create an outer shell look, and it’s not until the arms are glued on that it really “becomes” a Terminator. I like them because it’s a new kind of big dude, but design wise it feels like more of a proto-type pattern rather than a branch of armor pattern cut by war time shortages.
>>97673910I never gave Tartaros Terminator a proper look over, but looking at them now, they definitely deliver on the “Tactical Dreadnought” name, they look like little Contemptor Dreads by sharing all those design cues. The roundness too helps them feel more connected to the later Indomitus pattern. I should get a box of Tartaros armor too…..
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