Previous: >>97686992>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What are you brewing
>TQThis guy unironically
>>97694332>TQI know I posted last thread and it's been done before but I wanted to brew Mardu and after Iroh and Azula I figured I'd lay off atla and do Zuko later. Props to the anon pointing out that SBA checks will see it as Extus leaving the grave.
>>97694332>TQ It's coming along well enough, I really think I'm gonna enjoy playing this deck.
>>97694332>TQThis dude. Right now it's mostly a pile of mana rocks, red stuff, and artifacts from my other mono red deck, but I'm hoping to focus it in a bit before game night tomorrow.
>TQAristocrats Markov. My deck has 8 vampires, a Maskwood Nexus and a dream
>>97694332>TQI've always wanted a hyperramp deck thats all about combos. Plus this printing looks gorgeous
Well since the thread is dead right now let me just say that if you argue with each other you're gay and your opinion, even if I agree with it doesn't matter.
>>97694258Leftoids ruin absolutely everything because beauty is oppressive to the ugly>>97694261>meltyHello outed pedophile anon
>>97694332I made an Ashling list, but it lacked a gimmick that made it worse than it needs to be so I might trash the whole idea.
>>97694354How's it going? Did you add pic related?
>>97694332>TQ: What are you brewingDromar Stax and a Ruby pauper deck.
>>97694504I refuse to find out who won this one, I watched each one after this as well
>>97694523Out of principle I never watch commander shows where they're playing UB commanders. It's a bit annoying because I want to watch CGB's Lorwyn video to show support and interest for the set, but for whatever fucking reason he let someone play that Final Fantashit catgirl, so I refuse to click it
hey guys magic newfag herehow do I learn commander without an easy braindead tutorial on arena for itI want to make a final fantasy commander deck irl for fun but I have no idea what I’m doing.also can I use different art for land cards like the original plains and the new plains in the same deck or do I have to use all the same art for lands?
>>97694534You can use different art for lands yeah, also the best way to learn is by playing it with a friend. Who are you trying to build?
>97694533who asked?
>>97694541My local card store only has magic/commander night on tuesdays when I work so I’m trying to find someone or some place lolI pulled a blue Terra Branford card that says it’s an Urza reprint(?) and was told that it’s a good commander so I was thinking of making something around it. I also have Golbez with Syr under it that I’m guessing is also a commander?Also thank you for answering the land question, I tried googling and just found sarcastic reddit threads so I wanted to make sure lmao
>>97694561While this might be bait I personally say don't start out with this considering it might make you a target and would most likely sour your view on the game immediately. The Golbez/Syr Konrad is a better start imo
>>97694561Syr Konrad, not Syr. I’m retarded
>>97694569>might make you a target and would most likely sour your view on the game immediately.Lmao could you explain please? Is there something wrong with Artificers or Urza specifically?
>>97694569Not bait by the way, I’ve never really played magic but I loved the old art I used to see, saw the FF ones and this was in my first pack that I bought last week and I’m really enjoying it on arena. The shops around me only play commander it seems though
>>97694592Please excuse my horizontal photo, like I said I’m retarded
>>97694354So the command tax for the sorcery keeps going up? Does that apply to the front or do you not care. Card looks neat, my mardu is Trynn and Silvar human tribal. >tq Chandra tribal
>>97694578Urza is a pretty powerful commander that has a ton of ways to just win the game as soon as his engine gets going so people might just prevent him from hitting the board altogether or just try to rush you out the game as soon as he does hit the board. Other anons can probably give you better answers than I can if they aren't being schizos about seeing a FF card
>>97694592*Terra was in my first pack, Golbez was in the pack I got today.I haven’t picked up any starter decks because I don’t know what would go good with my FF cards. I like cobbling shit together usually.
>>97694534>I want to make a final fantasy commander deck irl for fun but I have no idea what I’m doing.Stay away from my game and go buy funkopops instead
>>97694618see>>97694499
>>97694618welcome back schizo
>>97694611Go with the Golbez, while he's powerful he isn't really seen as a threat like Urza is. I suggest watching videos about commander and how to build Syr Konrad
>>97694618I’m sorry :(If it’s any consolation I only like the nostalgic FFVI and older ones and not the mmoshit like the previously mentioned catgirl. I really love a lot of the classic magic art and am open to purchasing non-crossover cards. Would it be worse if I was getting Avatar/TMNT cards instead?
>>97694644Do not engage the local retard.
>>97694332This PrEDH I've wanted to build her since 2016, and now I have the opportunity to do so
>>97694533>>97694523
>>97694644>If it’s any consolation I only like the nostalgic FFVI and older ones and not the mmoshit like the previously mentioned catgirl.Why the fuck would I care about which flavor of cancer you prefer? It shouldn't be in my fucking game and if you and your kind weren't rabid monkeys that would buy toilet paper if Sephiroth was on the packaging, the game I like wouldn't have to suffer month-long unskippable in-game ads while Hasbro cranks the slot machine trying to win a billion dollars off someone else's IP
>>97694679those unskippable in-game ads you see? all me.
>>97694332>TQMostly Joshua, but I'm also waffling on whether I want to build out Naya Toph or scrap it. I'm also waiting for the Mu Yanling from Aetherdrift to come in since I feel like building a low power monoblue deck.
>>97694679>Sephirotherm, acshooally, I said VI and below, not VIIAlso I’m genuinely curious, how do you feel about the Avatar/TMNT ones? I heard the foot girl from Avatar is really good in commander but I know nothing about the turtles.
For a non traditional artifact colors is toph or aloy the better pick?
>>97694679I'm gonna buy another pack of ninja turtles tomorrow just because of this post.
>>97694534Pick up a FF precon, sleeve it, and take it to a card shop.
>>97694706lategame joshua was such a chad
>>97694711Most likely Aloy
>>97694711
>>97694715But daaaaaaad I wanna use my own commanders that I pulled instead of the premade onesClassic Yoshitaka Amano magitek armor Terra looks way fucking cooler than the green/red one.
>>97694711>>97694724Toph is sexier.
>>97694710>Also I’m genuinely curious, how do you feel about the Avatar/TMNT ones?A L LU BI SC A N C E RDid you not fucking hear me?
>>97694739I read you, Commander.
>>97694732This is true
>>97694628the reason no one ever saves your image is because it doesn't make sense and Magic players don't give a fuck about magic funkopopsFunkopop buyers do, however, care about Universes Beyond
>>97694718He was a great character for sure and one of the better examples of a secondary protagonist who could have helmed his own game in the same story as the primary one. I could write a whole post about how incredible the theme Away is and how masterfully it was used to define his character. Also he pulls the cutest girl on the continent.>>97694729Urza Lord High Artificer is not a good starter commander unfortunately.
Can we argue about something other than UB? Like which UW female planeswalker would 100% take it up the ass?
>>97694757>Magic players don't give a fuck about Magic's IPcorrect>Funkopop buyers do, however, careno they don't care about anything that's why funkopops itself is failing duh
>>97694771>Can we argue about something other than the single biggest disaster in Magic history?No.>Like which UW female planeswalkerDid you mean "in-universe", pedo shitposter anon?
>97694778Boy he really is a schizo isn't he
>>97694776>>Magic players don't give a fuck about Magic's IP>correctNot what I said, and if it were true your image would be even more nonsensical?Have you ever considered killing yourself? It might be the right move for you
>>97694762Yeah I’m going to start with Golbez/Konrad like anon recommended.So with the color identity rule I can only use black cards in that deck right?
>>97694778>>97694781>posts exactly 61 seconds aparts a m e f a g
>>97694783Black and generic.
>>97694782>fuck i can't beat you in an argument>uh... kyslolz
>>97694789Gotcha, thanks helpful anons
>>97694790>fuck i can't beat youKek you're such a faggot it's unreal
>>97694795uh oh melty
>>97694783Yes, you can also use colorless which are cards that look like this
>>97694787I don't get how the anon calling me a pedophile for not wanting to argue about UB makes me a samefag.
>>97694796>meltyYou are a pedophile. A couple months ago you posted about how UB is good because you are sexually attracted to children and other IPs contain more children than Magic. You get very upset any time this is brought up and report people talking about it.One day you will kill yourself and the world will be significantly better off
>>97694797I saw someone mention sol ring the other day, two mana a tap seems pretty good
>>97694332dont know if its brewing but I'm currently constantly grinding Gut to find out the perfect number of token generators to keep the engine running.
>>97694504Not their fault people like it>NOOOO EVERYONE HATES ITIsn't Ru Paul's Drag Race at like season 20?
>>97694803>A couple months ago you posted about how UB is good because you are sexually attracted to childrenNot him but if this was true, you would just post it right now right? Is this actually about Toph?
>>97694757Anon you understand this is entirely true for your image, right? Only you ever post it and it also makes no sense.
>>97694806It's what's known as fast mana, an extremely strong type of card that's usually restricted or banned. Sol Ring is only acceptable in low power games because it's in every precon and is a symbol of the format. You're not going to find many examples of cards that go mana positive like it until you move up into high powered tables.
>>97694517Yup, unfortunately I'm gonna have to get token doubler cards in white, so that's gonna be expensive. Especially since I sold my Anointed Procession.>>97694600Yes and yes, but I don't plan to cast Extus very often, if ever.
>>97694710Leonardo the Balance+whatever is pretty strong to be aych
>>97694644>>97694710Don't engage with the schizo bro. Nothing wrong with liking FF.
UB would only make me mad if the art was shit, but /most/ of it is decent enough.
>>97694826Aside from 50% of it being as fantasy as Doctor Who
>>97694823>in every preconI’m curious now, are there any other UB cards that ended up being part of “meta” like that?
>>97694811>if this was true, you would just post it right now right?>"errrrrrm source???"Errrrrrm source that I need to provide source??? Errrrrrrrrrrrrrm source that events suddenly didn't happen if I didn't document them at the time and am unwilling to go dig through ~100 threads to go find it? Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm source that you would accept my point if I provided proof instead of it just being a hoop to jump through for you to derail the conversation???
>>97694838liking doctor who is the real fantasy
>>97694838>Doctor Whodon’t jinx it
>>97694844this but any fucking ancient turn based random encounter crap
>>97694816>Anon you understand this is entirely true for your image, right?I'll let you in on a secret, anonNot my image :)
>>97694611Counter point to >>97694632I would suggest building the Garland, Syr Konrad is going to be a pretty 1 note build while you can put him into Garland if you build a particular way. Garland will be a bit more of an offbeat deck that you can put a few other graveyard synergies into, and will have more interesting avenues of deckbuilding albeit a bit less straightforward and simple. That said, grabbing the Terra precon and then slotting in some stuff you've found cool is usually an easier entry into playing commander if you are building a collection. And the terra one you're a bit more likely to be able to find easily.
>>97694847Doctor Who! DOCTOR WHO! WE GOT DOCTOR WHO HERE!See? Nobody cares.
>>97694849>complaining about turn based>in a card game thread
>>97694826>Nothing wrong with liking FFLike it in your own fucking containment zone instead of smearing it over the game I enjoy.
>>97694851>non 4chan file nameSure>NONONONO YOU DON'T GET IT! I AM SO AUTISTIC I ACTUALLY CHANGE THE TITLES IN MY REACTION IMAGES I SAVE!!!!
>>97694843Yeah I want a source, I think if anyone makes a claim they should be able to back it up almost immediately. This is schizophrenic behavior anon.
>>97694854Garland is a commander? Can any legendary creature be one? Is there anything I should avoid when looking for potential commanders?
>>97694861He IS liking it in the containment zone
>>97694842Commander is too varied for the most part. WotC will be reluctant to print staples into UB because it's not up to them whether they can ever reprint it, unless they give it a generic name.I would say they tried with the Soul Stone, and I expect they will massively jack up the power level of infinity stones so they don't have another Spider-Flop.But Standard has been utterly raped by UB. Vivi and Badger Mole Cub being perhaps the most notable
Chandra+Nissa commander when?
>>97694861Or else what?>NothingOk so why would I do what you want?Anyway I cast Mondo Gecko. Response?
>>97694864>>NONONONO YOU DON'T GET IT! I AM SO AUTISTIC I ACTUALLY CHANGE THE TITLES IN MY REACTION IMAGES I SAVE!!!!It's an extension actually :)
>>97694873when I buy WOTC I'll make a card where chandra gets fucked by 50 vvhite bvlls while nissa watches>>97694875wild mongrel chads?
>>97694861Isn’t commander considered the containment zone? Everyone who tells me about it says its real casual and the players are mostly anything-goes.
>>97694868>Can any legendary creature be one?Any legendary creature, legendary vehicle, or legendary spaceship can be a commander provided it has a power and toughness to it.
>>97694868Any legendary creature and legendary vehicle now I guess can be a commander. There's really nothing to look out for imo it's just that some commanders like Urza are notorious for ending the game quickly.
>>97694871>But Standard has been utterly raped by UBstandard was raped ever since FIRE design, the rate of bannings rose tremendously since 2019
>TQI really like having access to white but don't want to 5color so I'm trying to brew for this for Dragon Tribal because printing a dragon at the end of your turn every time you kill spell something seems kind of rad. If this doesn't work out ill try out Zurgo and Ojutai.
>>97694866>I think if anyone makes a claim they should be able to back it up almost immediately.Errrm source on this???If you weren't there for it (and that's a big if, because you were there, in fact you're probably UBpedo himself thinking he's clever) that's not my problem. Unless you're a total newfag, there will be a dozen things that happen on this site that you personally witness but would not go out of your way to """prove"""Here's another one. Swordtard was a tripfag who shit up these threads for years. His favorite bit was posting deliberately stupid decklists with 200+ cards and uneccessary multi-hundred-dollar cards and then say "I don't know what to cut!!! :( " because he has a narcissistic need to feel valued in any community he went to, hence the namefagging, and he thought generating discussion was inherently positive so him getting (You)s on his retarded lists was inherently positive.I'm not about to dig through the archives and find you an example. I don't need to. It still happened and I don't care if you want to pretend it didn't just because I won't spoonfeed you. If you care that much, how about you fact check me, MrReddit?
>>97694898>whataboutism
what’s wrong with finding toph or katara sexy, this is 4chan not reddit
>>97694898FIRE schizo posts in /edhg/ and /mtg/
>>97694913Unironically who are you quoting?
>>97694886>spaceshipI pulled some of these in arena the other day, they look kinda interesting
>>97694913>what is global rule 3.e?>inb4 "BUT IT'S STILL ALLOWED ON /B/ THEN!!!!"Literally only because this site does (or did?) believe in containment boards and if there was no containment board it would get spammed on every single board in protest.
Duel Masters set when?
>>97694868As other anons have mentioned the restriction is just any legendary creature/vehicle and then the cards in your deck all have to fit within the colour identity of that creature.The main thing to "watch out" for in commanders is how strongly they affect the game by existing. Syr Konrad on the field can present a lot of damage very quickly, and the fact that he's in the command zone means he is almost always a threat, same with Urza. They have quite powerful effects which is not in and of itself a problem, but them being always available means they basically have to be killed on sight since the rest of the deck can enable them to end the game rather than needing to find more pieces out of your 99 card deck.It's not a bad thing to have a strong commander, you just have to play with the understanding that it will be killed often and that is the correct play for the other players, not them hating you in particular.
>>97694908It's easy to find anything about Swordbro by just putting in his trip anon you can't just call everyone that argues with you a pedophile and expect everyone to know that 2000 threads ago someone said they found Toph sexy.
I love the art for the original elder dragons.
>>97694920The jund (Red, black, green) commander precon one is pretty fucking strong.
>>97694908>YearsHe was here for like 4 months.
Oh it really is about Toph. I was thinking the fag that always argues with the UBschzio posted something worth caring about.
>>97694911>>97694915>defending oko
>>97694932>It's easy to find anything about Swordbro by just putting in his tripOkay great, so you will go and find an example of him posting a 200+ card decklist to prove that he did that then, won't you?
>>97694924After the Chaotix set
>>97694941I would defend gay Oko all day
>>97694935unbothered in his own lane
>>97694908Classic poopdickschizo schizo rant
>>97694943Well now that I know that you're calling him a pedo over fucking Toph I'll just call you retarded and move about my day helping the anon that wants to build a deck.
>>97694941>defendingNo see that's the funny thing, by pointing out you're engaging in whataboutism I'm specifically not engaging with whatever points you think you have, I'm saying that your argument has nothing to do with UB being cancer
>>97694935
>>97694898I'm new to this world. What do you mean by FIRE and why is it bad?
>>97694949>no I won't do the thing I just said was easylol
>>97694871>another Spider-Flop.Anon, spm was top 10 best selling sets of all time. Maybe its you who is coping.
It's been weird watching the slow shift from Magic thread on 4chan going from >FUCK UBto now. I guess we all just got to old.
>>97694951the actual funny thing is you calling UB cancer doesn't make it cancer, but surely proof next thread?
>>97694966I NEVER was against UB at any point.
>>97694955If a card is better than>>97694935 it's a fire design.
>>97694955It's a design philosophy WotC had for like a couple years. It's an acronym, something like Fun, [something], Repeatable, Engaging or some shit.TL;DR it led to a lot of bans in Standard literally like 6 years, and some still attribute general powercreep in the game to FIRE design despite WotC acknowledging it was a mistake and unofficially abandoning it. That anon is bringing it up purely to deflect the argument that UB has introduced a lot of broken cards because WotC wants to push sales. He doesn't like that point so the best he can do is "but WotC has made design mistakes in in-universe sets before!!!!"Ignore him, is my advice.
>>97694935>>97694947>>97694953
>>97694966Didn't happen btw.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97694966I was always fine with it, I kept saying I don't care about the card art. I just care about what the card does, and if it interests me.
>>97694962>Anon, spm was top 10 best selling sets of all timeYeah that's why it's still on shelves while Avatar isn't, right?Don't quote fucking corpospeak to me like it's true. MaRo is a PR guy. I'm sure it is a top 10 set if you count only sales to stores, because a lot of retailers probably expected another Final Fantasy, but retailers track actual sales and report them to WotC, they know that the set did not reach customers
>>97694975You can just search the archive for the first reactions to UB slop.
>>97694972>that UB has introduced a lot of broken cards because WotC wants to push sales*laughs in Ikoria and Theros Beyond Death*
>>97694983>more whataboutismCos it worked so well last time.
>>97694982So like 6 months ago when that retard made some anti-commander twitter post and retards thought he meant UB?
>>97694987>doesn't count>i said it doesn't count>stop the count!>aaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeecan't wait for more UB btw
>>97694955Ignore >>97694972 he's the thread schizophrenic that will get upset at seeing any UB card no matter what it is.
>>97694972The kings of FIRE are all in universe shit and the term was being used well before Ikoria.
>>97694998See >>97694994
Predictions for next UB?
>>97694994So waitif an opponent dies does this count every thing that then leaves due to their elimination? Like lands? I don't know if being eliminated counts as things leaving or if the game just considers it as magically vanishing.
>>97695001>The kings of FIRE are all in universeBecause WotC acknowledged it as a mistake long before UB, as I already fucking said.>the term was being used well before Ikoria.I never said anything about Ikoria, but as it happens it started with Throne of Eldraine, dipshit.
>>97695008Didn't mean to reply to that guy
>>97695007I hope it's one with Mechs
>>97695007>Predictions for next UB?Itll be the hobbit.
>>97694992>6 monthsRetard-kun....At this point I believe reddit has invaded all the magic threads here as the ogs just aged out of 4chan.
>>97695008No.
>>97695021Holy reading comprehension
>>97695021Retard
>>97695007Lucky Star
>>97695021>reddit has invaded all the magic threads hereYes redditors have a genuine mental defect that they think all of the internet is (or should be) like reddit so they can just set up shop anywhere they feel like if theres a shared interest.It's like mass immigration, and they quickly choke out the native population.I have had people in this very fucking thread incredulous that I do not have a reddit account and that I have never used the site in any capacity except for when it appears as a result in google for a question I asked. They genuinely think everyone uses reddit and that 4chan's hatred of reddit is all play-pretend
>>97695019lol
>>97695035>>97695021This actually has to be a samefag because this has nothing to do with what the other anon asked.
So now that Harry Potter is all but confirmed. Who are you building?
>>97695021>reddit has invadedMore like a cesspool of losers who hate UB, can't get any traction anywhere else, and are too dumb to find their own containment sub on Reddit.
>>97695043Luna or Snape
>>97694618But "your" game has pdfile friendly art and you claim to hate pdfiles, don't you PDS?
>>97695054YJK
>>97695043I’m going with a Snape and Millfoy deck
>>97695054Holy moly
>>97695035Are the redditors in the room with us right now?
>>97695054>pdfileWhere do you think you are right now?
>>97695054Hello, offsite tourist. You can type "pedophile" here, the automod won't ban you for it. The filters here are much more retarded.
>>97694771Liliana and Chandra are 100% dirt pipe divas. Vraska pegs. As for the rest they have no personalities so they do it missionary with a sheet between Amish style.
>tqDowngrading Ms. Bumbleflower into this since she shits on my playgroup way too hard. I haven't really vibed with any of the legendary rabbits, but as a long time rabbit owner I feel I must have one built. Maybe Ill try out my janky noncreature token and equipment Baylen deck again.
>>97694781Yes he makes me miss when Swordfag was our resident easily identifiable cringeposter
>>97695072I want to remodel her shithole
>>97695075I'm not entirely convinced swordfag isn't pro-UB pedo anon
>>97695072i find this elf really hot, which is exactly why wotc replaced it
>>97695073selesnya Hare Apparent then?
>>97695073> is this a joke?> noooooo, she's good> total stranger: she is. Shes good.
>>97695054>cute girl cavalry>terminally online not-so closet furry immediately jumps to sexual implications and deflects to a different school of degeneracy
>>97695084I was blown away, at a game someone actually player a newish card with an attractive female on it. I did no think it was possible. It was an anime alt though.
>>97695098
>>97694955FuckItRuinEverything
>>97695115
>>97695117>>97695115It was 6 years ago and it mostly affected Standard, get over it
>>97695021what the FUCK are you talking about?
>Announce to game group that I'm playing Nekusar>They all swap decks to things without card draw and then proceed to beat my meat for the whole game for daring to group slug
>>97695129proof fire design has ended?
>>97695086No thanks. If I were to personify the eunuchs in my living room into mtg cards it would be ball lightning but with a stun counter and sacrificing a forest instead of sacrificing itself.
>Six years agoNo, no, no ,no. Not like this bros.
>>97695140>Played Nekusar>Mad people didn't let you win
>>97695043>HARRY POTTER SOON!Potterfags huffing copium
>>97695149Friendly reminder to attend Strixhaven pre release> b...but its LGBT haven!> b...but its harry potter lite!
>>97695140They jerk you off? I mean I guess you are a faggot so maybe dont signal it so hard.
>>97695140>announce I am playing Nekusar>two others bust out their Nekusar decks as well
>>97695155I go to every pre-release I can because I enjoy sealed.
The UB masters set will be the final sell signal
Dragon Ball UB will dominate sales
>>97695140>Inform the pod I am playing my Tinybones, Bauble Burgler deck>Two of them say okay, they are going to stick with their reanimate deck that loots and green goblin deck that needs to connive>Proceed to spend 3 turns bitching endlessly about how unfair the situation is and how their decks can't work, then scoop.I'd have preferred them to swap to decks that countered mine instead. It would have been less annoying.
>>97695177If you warn people in advance and they don't react accordingly then it's completely on them.
>>97694409I love this big red nigga like you wouldn't believe. Defentally want tons of 2 cost rocks. Flameshadow Conjuring, Fires of Invention and Sundial are highly recommend. And that 1 cost goblin that lets you swap a artifact on the field for 1 in the graveyard. Legit great smashy fun deck.Oh yea all the wheels you can since your hand gets emptied quick from windmilling fat ass dragons/ artifacts onto the table
Mill should be considered the same as MLD
>>97694843Poopdick you are the one constantly bringing up old arguments and posts anons supposedly made weeks and months ago. It's perfectly reasonable for us to ask you to provide some actual proof of your schizo ramblings. If you're not willing to provide screenshots or links then shut the fuck up about old threads that only happened in your own schizo mind.
>>97695185Bait.
Reminder that if you don't like cute drawn girls you don't belong on this website.
>>97695182Mill should be thrown in the trash as the bad game design it is
>>97695008It does, yes. So put your swiftfoot boots on and fork out $30 for this chunk o' cardboard that'll be powercrept next year. Yes, I am mad I didnt pull it, why do you ask?
>>97695189>people calling out my bullshit is bait!Don't forget to samefag!
>>97694953I'm surprised Wizard's hasn't tried doing something with this theme. Celestial Seasonings styled arts.
>>97695195Global rule 3.e
>>97695144Dude would cost 2 less today.
>>97695196There's no reason why this couldn't be in paper with experience counters.
>>97695209Perhaps reddit might be more your speed.
>>97695198Hating mill is Timmybrain behavior.
>>97694713Same. Dudes a fucking spazz
>>97694679I just ordered another FF box thanks to this post.
>>97695157This was honestly a fun thing to see on the table. Mostly so since I was playing a discard my own stuff deck too. The first game was over in a few turns but fuck it was kind of fun.
>>97695235I just burned 2 FF boxes thanks to this post.
>>97695212And affect each opponent
>>97695223It's just a garbage mechanic that card games only introduce when they're shit out of ideas>cards are good right?>players put cards in their deck because they want to play them right?>haha what if we put in a mechanic to dumpster cards before anyone has a chance to play them?>>inb4 just run recovery!!!!!!!And when my recovery gets milled? Also not every color or even every deck in a color runs the grave as a second hand. Plenty of times if you mill something it's just gone. Don't even start with that gay shit.
>>97695140>>97695157Based. I used the Cat Queen to make my group slug deck.
>>97695223It may be the one win condition that gets completely raped by three cards just being in your deck.
>>97695273In a draw heavy game you'll see on average 30-40 cards. Unless you get milled out you're not actually missing anything.
>>97695285>muh statsticsSee image here >>97695198
>>97695280Hence why it's Timmybrained to hate it. It's one of the weakest strategies in the game, it actually actively helps a lot of decks, and there's so many useful anti-mill cards out there that aren't dead draws that it's really your own fault if you somehow managed to get milled out.
>>97695292>It's one of the weakest strategies in the game,>your own fault if you somehow managed to get milled out.No one in the history of the fucking game has said they dislike mill because they lost to it. Are you going to engage with the things people actually say or just make shit up to be mad at?
>>97695287Yeah I don't really care about a screen shot of some unfunny seethe post by some brainlet that doesn't understand how stats work.
>>97695300>Are you going to engage with the things people actually say or just make shit up to be mad at?I was giving mill haters the benefit of engaging with the only possible argument they have (I hate Mill because it's a lame win condition!). There's nothing else to engage with, if you have any other complaint about mill you're just a seething Timmybrained retard. Simple as.
How many turns should a good EDH deck game? In my pod, since I've been keeping track, 9-11 turns is the average. Low of 5, high of 18. We play a mix of low 2 to bracket 4 stuff. I think that's a pretty good balance and turn order to go for.
>>97695221Since it is a 4chan rule it would seem perhaps another site is more your speed
>>97695302>doesn't understand how stats work.Kek copeThe entire point is that you don't understand how reality works. You can scream all you want that it shouldn't matter because statistically you might not see a card, if the card gets milled it got fucking milled. Same as Russian roulette. It's no comfort to say how unlikely it is for you to land on the 1 loaded chamber as the bullet rips through your skull>>97695306>I was giving mill haters the benefit of engaging with the only possible argument they haveNo, people hate mill because it is disruptive. That's why you play it. You yourself already acknowledged it's not a good wincon, and it's not. But it is annoying to work around, and you know that to be the case. People can dislike something for reasons other than strength.
Mill is fucking retarded unless you have a lot of graveyard hate to go with it. There are just too many cards that play from the yard now. You'd have to be a stupid fucking faggot to run mill without Graveyard exile, but now you have to run mill+graveyard hate to be effective. I'd rather run a good strategy and graveyard hate. I watched some smug mill tranny play his garbage mill deck last night and he milled a player down to one card in his deck: Nexus of Fate So he won off 2/2 bird from swansong.
>>97695313retard
I play mill solely because it upsets bad players
>>97695376Guess you just lost an argument to a retard then
>>97695380I agree, A good player would have any number of recursion or powerful spells that can be cast from the graveyard or their card quality would be so good it doesn't mater.
>>97695306I actually like mill even though I'd never run it myself (mostly because I'd never touch Blue or Black). I usually have a few cards I can play from my graveyard in the decks I run, so it's always fun to pull a Yugioh and get all dramatic about turning their own strategy against them.
>Mill?>Sure
>>97695381You had no argument retard you just suck at this game
I only fear mill...
>>97695394If I get to slap you in the face at the beginning of each of my upkeeps, it's not winning me the game, you'd have to be a pretty bad player to lose to that, and yet you'd be completely valid complaining that it's annoying to play against
>>97694354per last thread Konrad working, for the same reason but more relevant to the theme, putting Extus back in the command zone also triggers On Wings of Gold
I do not fear mill
>>97694332>What are you brewingI finished with my Donatello/April deck and haven't moved on to anything else yet.
>>97695423>may cast from graveyardI hate this shit. So many good cards having their potential capped by making me pay to do shit
>>97695276Trans moment
>>97695436>playing goofy artifact deck>play emry>someone freaks out and says it's too much value and gets someone else to remove herokay
>>97695411You're such an over exaggerating baby. I bet you also cry about removal and counter spells and discard lmao
>>97695456LETMEDOTHETHING
>>97695312No one posted any pornography retard.
>>97695313>No, people hate mill because it is disruptive.This is a very strange reason to hate mill. The mill only becomes disruptive if your deck is looking to tutor specific cards and the mill gets them before you cast the tutors. Nearly other every deck could have 30 random cards milled and still function completely normally, probably even better if they have any level of recursion.
>>97695460Just make sure you have more things to do than I have counters ;^)
>>97695470Imagine complaining about disruptive strategies s in magic the gathering. Imagine complaining about the most innocous card removal mechanic in magic the gathering.
>>97695149Why are you so angry about the prospect, "sis?"
>>97695487>"sis?"straight up unc talk nl
>>97695415Honestly didn't know this existed because I didn't pay much attention to the Whacky Races set. Any other similar cards that care about cards leaving the yard?
>>97695484imagine imagining about imagined imagining
>>97695496
>>97694354>>97695415blink this
>>97695470>The mill only becomes disruptive if your deck is looking to tutor specific cards and the mill gets them before you cast the tutors.No.Every card in my deck is in there because I might need it. I don't put fucking useless cards in my deck. So when you mill them, I lose useful tools.You know this.You are pretending not to.There would be no reason to play mill if it wasn't disruptive.I have no fucking clue why millfags in particular feel the need to lie when defending the thing they like
>>97695515skill issue
>>97695515"I NEED every card available to me" is the same mindset that gets people so steamed about removal
>>97695525Nah removal is more a part of the game than mill.You wouldn't say "im playing a removal deck". But if you're running mill you'd call it a mill deck. I know I'm talking to a wall trying to explain psychology to literal autismos, but things feel different with different context.
>>97695515>I need access to every single card at every single moment to winHave you considered that maybe this game isn't for you?
>>97695515Surely this is bait
>>97695535>You wouldn't say "im playing a removal deck".I look like and say this
>>97695543It's it crazy how if you just say that someone said something they didn't say you can make them sound silly? It's my first day on the internet too!!!! :D
>>97695535>You wouldn't say "im playing a removal deck".https://youtu.be/oHC1230OpOg?si=5NK8yc_3i138uSSC
>>97695576>?si=5NK8yc_3i138uSSCThis is a tracking URL, you can remove it
>>97695570>>97695576based
>>97695582fuck off
>>97695515So you need every card in your deck but you will only see 30-40% of your deck at max every game. So are you just sitting there as a durdle faggot playing nothing but Draw spells? Because mill doesn't actually stop you from drawing cards retard. Unless you get milled out completely you'll still draw and play the exact same amount of cards you would've if someone hadn't played mill, even if 60% of your deck gets milled. It doesn't interact with the board or your hand in any way. Are you actually this fucking stupid?
>>97695498Thanks, having these produce a token every cast will be helpful>>97695507Not sure blinking Gravedigger in Blood Avatar will really be worth the spell slots
>>97695626>So you need every card in your deckNope. Literally never said that.I said every card in my deck is useful to me so it is disruptive to lose cards.Again:You would not play mill if it was not disruptive.You have said it's not a good wincon. You have said getting milled out is unlikely. So why would you play it? Because it is disruptive. What kind of turbo faggot do you have to be that you think you can sit there and tell someone that they are wrong to be annoyed about the only reason anyone would even play mill in the first place?
lol
>>97695666Yes Satan, despite your best efforts at reality refusal, it is in fact, a magic set.
>>97695658People only play mill because they are retards
>>97695677holy dubs
>>97695691God isn't real
>>97695658>You would not play mill if it was not disruptive.Except I posted my mill commander Timmytard >>97695223 does that look like I'm trying to mill you out? Again you're just a retarded pissbaby crying about a problem that doesn't exist because you, like a woman, are ruled by your emotions and seeing random card #37 go from your library into your graveyard causes your infantile and effeminate mind to melty. You are 100% wrong about milling and I would have every right to judge anyone for crying about it at my table because that would mean I'm playing with a stupid retard who doesn't know what this game is and has shitty solitaire decks they just want to durdle with in the corner by themselves fishing for their wincons instead of being an engaging member of the group. You admitted it yourself >>97695535 your main gripe with mill is that "it feels bad", like the weak woman you are. Mill doesn't interact with anything, the board doesn't change, your hand doesn't change, all that happens is a card(s) you had no idea you'd be drawing gets put from your library into your graveyard. If you put it into the graveyard upside you wouldn't even know what happened and would have nothing to be upset about. If you ran recursion or had a proper deck with redundancy that didn't rely on drawing 60%+ of it to win you wouldn't care. AGAIN you outed yourself by labeling mill as disruptive (it's not) proving that you don't actually like interaction and just want to be a gay little Timmy. Even if mill were somehow disruptive (it's not), this is a game full of disruption and you're a retarded faggot for complaining about that.
>>97695696>696Your disguise fools no one, Satan
>>97695697>does that look like I'm trying to mill you out?Are you legit diagnosed special needs or something? Can you not even read the post you're replying to?>You have said it's not a good wincon. You have said getting milled out is unlikelyI have never fucking said you will or are trying to mill anyone out. I have said that you are trying to be disruptive, which you are.Don't reply to me until your brain has had however long it needs to process that information
GET DISRUPTED FAGGOT
>>97695717>I have said that you are trying to be disruptive, which you are.And I said >>97695697 you're a genuinely stupid timmybrained crybaby faggot for whining about the least disruptive form of disruption in a game that relies on disruption.>NO DON'T COUNTER MY CARD I NEED IT>NO DON'T EXILE MY CARD OFF THE BOARD I NEED IT>NO DON'T MAKE ME DISCARD CARDS FROM MY HAND I NEED THEM >NO DON'T PUT THAT AURA ON MY CARD SO IT CAN'T DO ANYTHING I NEED IT>NO DON'T PLAY THAT CARD THAT STOPS ME FROM PLAYING MY CARDS I NEED ITThat's you, you dumb woman.
>>97695751>>NO DON'T COUNTER MY CARD I NEED IT>>NO DON'T EXILE MY CARD OFF THE BOARD I NEED IT>>NO DON'T MAKE ME DISCARD CARDS FROM MY HAND I NEED THEM>>NO DON'T PUT THAT AURA ON MY CARD SO IT CAN'T DO ANYTHING I NEED IT>>NO DON'T PLAY THAT CARD THAT STOPS ME FROM PLAYING MY CARDS I NEED ITAlready responded to this non-argument here:>>97695535>Nah removal is more a part of the game than mill.>You wouldn't say "im playing a removal deck". But if you're running mill you'd call it a mill deck.>I know I'm talking to a wall trying to explain psychology to literal autismos, but things feel different with different context.
>>97695764Mill is just a more aggressive form of removal retard.
>>97694504Your identity was selected for you by Epstein and Bannon.
In every colour, cards in the graveyard are more accessible and more of a resource than cards in the library. In each colour, a certain class of cards is dramatically more accessible and valuable in the bin. Any competently built deck should be able to take advantage of its own graveyard because it offers significant card selection. If you had the chance to tip half your library into your graveyard at random before the game began, you would be at an enormous advantage compared to players who did not even if you aren't running a graveyard-heavy strategy. This is famously the weakness of mill decks and the reason they run more grave hate than any other strategy by far; until they die you are making all of your opponents stronger.If you have built a deck that would be made worse by starting with a chunk of it in the bin, you've built a kind of bad deck.
I jerk off To Toph and Katara today.
>>97696123based
Are Commandfests just a large hall with table or is there other shit to do? I'm thinking of going to Magiccon Amsterdam or Commandfest in Giessen but I have no idea what they're like.
>>97694362>plays a literal troon
>>97696376I just like the effect, I don't really care about the art on the card. If I did I'd play YGO.
>>97694332Time for a party.
>>97696398>I don't really care about the art on the cardI disagree strongly with that way of thinking but nothing about that art screams "tranny" to me either. Then again that schizo sees trannies in fucking everything.
>>97695423that art is crazy good
>>97696398play Doran like a real chad would.>>97696412people are sleeping on this commander and the ally support is actually quite good and fun>>97696418felothar is literally a tranny, playing such cards, like alesha and the gang just reinforces their mental illness.rise above anons.
>>97696429>people are sleeping on this commandernah bitch, its from a $90 scene box
>>97696429>this guy is a tranny, don't play him>play this genderswapped version of an iconic character instead
>>97696398>Enjoying a card for 1/3 it has to offer like flavor and art don't bring it together and make it an actual magic card do you just eat flour mixed with water to get your daily calories too autismo?
>>97694332>TQ: What are you brewingI'm pretty hyped for this and others to come in the mail.
>>97696429Doran is actually in the 99
>>97696477>do you just eat flour mixed with water to get your daily calories too autismo?indeed
>>97696602based and bread pilled
>>97696092>If you have built a deck that would be made worse by starting with a chunk of it in the bin, you've built a kind of bad deck.NTA but If im playing any deck with a combo, lets say a 3 card combo, then I only have a 1/8 chance of having none of them milled. On the 7/8th chance that I do mill a combo piece, it can usually be easily noticed and the mill player will know to exile it immediately and I would certainly be much worse off in such a game so your argument is dead wrong. Mill in general has the same effect.
>>97696664If you're relying specifically on a single combo to obtain victory then your deck is probably bad yes.
>>97696664Also recursion is always much more expensive than gy exile so if the mill player built their deck well thats not a race youre going to win, they dont need to exile all your cards anyway, only the ones that they know will really matter (same rationale as a counterspell control player and noones saying control decks are trash)
>>97696683>If you're relying specifically on a single combo to obtain victory then your deck is probably bad yes.Lol you heard it here first every other cedh deck is bad guise, just exile their heckin thassas!!
>>97696688That's correct, but mainly because cedh is an absolutely retarded concept from the start.
>>97696497>ew, a proxy fag>looked up original card artVast improvement. I'll give you a pass this once.
>>97696398I used to play Yugioh and I’m honestly sick of the art. All the new stuff is just flashy colors and vomit. I feel like Magic’s artists are lot more well rounded.
>>97696711>get caught>nah reality is wrong not me i'm still rightLol
>>97696734>reality is wrongCorrect.
Everyone here was really helpful yesterday with my FF commander questions, thanks guys. Got way more information here than doing google searches or on fucking leddit where everyone was sarcastic or lying for memes.Except for the guy still ranting about troons and UB here. He’s okay I guess, but could work on being positive.
>>97696736Looks i'll completely justified with playing wiith timmies, i'm using a bad deck after all woohoo
>>97694518I still have the shell of a "racism" deck with him at the helm, utilizing color hate on purpose is pretty unusual at tables
Have you ever had a rules interaction where everyone said you're wrong when you KNOW youre right?>Opponent plays pic related>I play Sakura-Tribe Elder knowing that when Lethal Vapors puts a trigger on the stack, I will get priority before it resolves to sacrifice Sakura-Tribe Elder to itself and get a land.>Entire table argues that cant happen because the Sakura-Tribe Elder dies before I can sac due to state-based actions.>I disagree and they call a """rules guy""" who agrees with them.>I dont know what to do so I ask for a 5th opinion but noone comes.>We keep arguing and I stubbornly refuse to keep playing until we resolve it my way.>They eventually give in to my autism and let me do it my way and we finalky move on but its clear I look like a giant asshole.What would you have done in my situation?
>>97696798>What would you have done in my situation?Laugh at my poorfag opponents
>>97696688All of the good cEDH decks have multiple ways to win.
>>97696798Are they retarded? It's all resolving after STE entered the battlefield meaning you can activate its sac ability. Do they not know you can run out STE as a blocker to blank an attack during that turn cycle?
>>97696861They are retarded AND too poor to have phones, now tell me if people that can't even afford phones should be playing this damn game, proxyfags ruin pod yet again
>>97696798Couldnt you have pulled up gatherer or scryfall
>>97696798I pull up the exact section of the rules that shows why I'm correct and they're fucking morons.
>>97696877There are no rulings for either card because they're braindead simple and the misunderstanding is on game rules and not card text.
>>97696883Just looking at the oracle text of lethal vapors proves it's a triggered ability and not a replacement effect>yes, looking up scryfall was THAT difficult for them
>>97696037>right wing didnt exist until 20XXThe sad part is the retard that you are actually believes this
>>97694711>non traditional>has redSure thing lol
>>97694787Those posts are 59 seconds apart...... you absolute fucking moron
>>97696825>>97696877>>97696878I was using my phone as the lifetracker and scryfall doesnt have any rulings on Lethal Vapors so they didnt find anything, thats the main reason we had to argue
>>97694843>dig through threadsSURELY YOU COULD JUST USE AN ARCHIVE SITE AND FIND IT IN 30 SECONDS SINCE YOU HAVE SUCH A GOOD MEMORY OF WHAT HAPPENED AHAHAHAAAHAHAHA stupid fucking larping zoomie thinking you can just screech pedo and people will go along with it. No one but you gives a fuck or melts down ABOOT this and its hilarious watching you scramble every time you bring it up.
>bro tries to argue his protean hulk deck is still bracket 3 because the combo it tutors into play is 3 cards and bracket 3 only restricts "early game 2 card combos"ISHYGDDT
>>97696798>Have you ever had a rules interaction where everyone said you're wrong when you KNOW youre right?Argument about Evoke, Cascade and Cast triggers. Don't remember what it was exactly, but it was an upgraded Dance of the Elements precon and an evoked Maelstrom Wanderer cascaded some stuff out that resulted in 54 damage to the entire table if sequenced properly.>What would you have done in my situation?Pull up ruling about triggers and that you can respond to the trigger of Lethal Vapors. Walk them through it slowly by placing each trigger on the stack.Creature entersLV trigger on the stack to destory the creature Activate STE in response to LV trigger
>>97696937What turn is he getting hulk into play?
>>97694908>yearsSwordbro was here for half a year, MAYBE a year, at most. You are so fucking delusional. I suggest getting a therapist ir checking yourself in to an asylum anon
>>97696946Uh it was like turn 6 or 7
>>97696953That's bracket 3.
>>97696956So if you could get it into play earlier but choose to sandbag until turn 6 its ok?? Lol if true gavin is a retard
>>97695054How is this pedophile friendly? The only way someone could type this, without a hint of irony, is if they saw children and immediately thought about sex, which is a failing on your part and no one elses.
>>97696967playing the deck poorly doesn't mean it's a weaker deckif you can realistically get it out earlier but sandbag that's on you
Bro's, I hate bracket's
>>97696937bros are trying to argue my deck isn't a 2 just because it has protean hulk in it even tho I can't combo out even if I get double triggers
>>97696967It depends on what the player is attempting to do. If his game plan is to turbo hulk out on like turn 3 and assemble his combo there that would be a bracket 4 deck assuming it has the ability to actually do that regularly. Conversely, a deck that's designed to combo on 6 that has the stars align and combos on 4 because he happened to hit Sol Ring into Arcane Signet into a mass land ramp spell while also having access to his combo somehow isn't suddenly cEDH because he got lucky.
>>97696917If your opponents cant understand that lethal vapors isnt a replacement they'll say you cant respond to things like oblivion ring or seal of doom and at that point they're too stupid to play this game
>>97695697Mill is objectively disruptive anon..
>>97696996Oblivion ring is a special case since it doesnt target. You actually dont get a moment to respond in between your opponent actually choosing a creature and the creature being exiled
>>97697023I just gave oring as an example because i'm assuming steve is the only creature he has in play (because there's lethal vapors in play after all)
>>97696999It's disruptive only under the assumption that you have the ability to tutor for the cards that are being milled.
>>97695628https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/card/leaves-graveyard-triggerdesecrated tomb and teval's stand out here, lowest mana cost, tomb is every time you cast, teval's is whatever you need (once per turn). I think there's way better ways to scry in this setup, so not stonebound mentor.after that the repeatables are all 4cmc. wings of gold, skeleton crew, tormod, defiled crypt//cadaver lab, unreleased quintorius. I'm not personally 100% sold on the pingers, but fuming effigy and soul enervation are there.at 5cmc there's konrad and original quintorius.definitely not worth it: thran vigil, gau, fang is once per turn draw but doesn't seem like a good rate
>>97696725You do have a point, I really just like the early 2000s art like with Gilford
post good mtg art
>>97697055No, it simply is disruptive no matter what. You are not nearly as intelligent as you think you are im afraid.
>>97697148toot
>>97697148What is she doing with her other hand
>>97696967>So if you could get it into play earlier but choose to sandbag until turn 6 its ok??Actually gavin doesnt advocate for sandbagging, he wants the rube goldberg 4 card combo to have a chance to pop off early so he gives that wiggle roomThe problem is that when you push this logic to its conclusion it becomes a race to find the best 3 card combo that will still count as "inconsistent enough"; like is 10% chance to pop off turn 3 still ok? What about 5%? 15%?So to prevent this LGSs just go for a blanket "no infinites/locks/instant wins" before turn X which means sandbagging
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>>97697148I've always liked this one.
>>97697182>it becomes a race...No it doesnt. This is fag thinking and thankfully most people arent fags.
>>97697210If it wasnt powercreep wouldnt be an issue, people can totally self regulate themselves and wil stop asking for rhystic to be banned fr fr
>>97697210>and thankfully most people aren’t fags.yeah, about that...
>>97697218Just refuse to play with fags to continue having fun.
>>97697224You already have rule zero btw, which means feel free to stay in your isolated island, brackets have always been for randos
>>97697097They gave this artist a whole archetype to work with around 2009. Swords, plate armor, electricity in the background, and red capes and all. It's got some modern support coming in a few weeks but it's not very good since it's trying to take a deck from 15 years ago and make it modern but the art still looks good.
>>97697245damn his artwork is beautiful, those are X-Sabers right?
>>97697245Jojo vibes
>>97697245This was always one of those archetypes I wished was a bit better. Gladiator Beasts and Ancient Gears too but those two got support eventually that game them a modernized game plan at least. X-Sabers don't really have that.
>>97696785
>>97697148favorite looking dragon in the game
>>97697364>>97697148
>>97697215Yes, normal well adjusted people can and do self regulate. Only the autists here have issue>>97697218They simply arent and if you existed anywhere other than edhg youd know this.
>>97697406>the people demanding thoracle and rhystic to be banned and got farewell put into the GC list are all on 4chanLol this naivete is proof that you're better off with your pod in your basement, god forbid you get a rando who will roll his eyes and ask who the hell you are in demanding he should "self regulate" (whatever that means in your head)
>>97697148I was looking through some common bulk and this one really jumped out at me. >>97697307It's had its days. Strong in 2009, rogue playable in the most played historical format, very strong in the next historical format after, and pretty decent with its modern support. Not amazing but not terrible. Pretty much as good as any precon archetype but a bit more complicated due to needing to "fix" 15 year old cards but slotting them into combos enabled by new cards that do everything. Its main problem is needing to play such a large engine that quick interaction ends up lacking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTRNBAO29Pk
>>97696664>NTA but If im playing any deck with a combo, lets say a 3 card comboKys combofagStay in cedh tables
>>97697443More like stay in bracket 2, timmy
>>97697148>post good mtg art
>>97697432I have never seen it irl
>>97697484That's because you only play with your friends and havent played with former tournament grindes that have retired to edh
>>97697501Weird fan fiction
>>97697475I dont want know Ilse Gorts sex fetish when all she does is draw ripped animals.
>>97697432Farewell being a GC will forever chap my ass.Of all the GCs it feels like the most bitchmade one.>WAHHHHHH WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CANT JUST WINDMILL SLAM MY CARDS LIKE A RETARD>I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO OVER EXTEND AS MUCH AS I WANT>NO I WONT LAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT MY OPPONENT IS CLEARLY TELEGRAPHING A BOARDWIPE>NO I WILL NOT PLAY CONSERVATIVELY>RESETTING THE GAME ISNT FUN FOR ME BECAUSE NOW I CANT DO WHAT I WANTFUCK these fucking people dude.
>>97697527>wtf why is a GC listed as a GC
>>97697084Konrad is definitely worth it at 5CMC because he also wants things to die
>>97697510Everything that refutes your narrow worldview is fanfiction yes
>>97697539Might as well throw Hour of Revelation and Planar Cleansing in there too.Fuck it might as well throw ALL boardwipes in there because "They change the game."Faggots like you is why any self respecting magic player says EDH is full of paint licking retards who need every corner rounded and can only use safety scissors.Learn the fucking game and git gud for once.
>>97697541I mean burning effigy and soul enervation as 4cmc ping whenever a card leaves your graveyard. konrad pings everyone basically every SBA.
>>97697563paint is tasty though
An LGS has opened in my town and I thought I'd go there. What do I have to epect? I am 29 and mostly worried about awkwardly interacting with people that are either younger or way older than me. I guess younger more so, since I am used to interacting with older folk from my job.I've started playing this game about half a year ago and have only played with friends so far.
>>97697584Step 1: stop posting on 4chinsStep 2: go outsideStep 3: touch grassGo. Now.
>>97697571Yeah, probably skipping them at 4CMC for what's probably going to be one ping per turn. 1 damage per cast is nice but a new body to set up the next cast is preferred. Also putting this in so the Avatars get effective double strike and their attack trigger hits harder.
>>97697584You should expect people that want to play games probably. Just give it a go anon.
Wait is harry potter UB actually happening? Based on what Chris Cocks (lol) said?
>>97697563this but unironically. Mass Card Denial (discard) in bracket 4 when?!
>>97697615Doubtful.
>>97696967Yes that is unironically what he believes
>>97697619>Any other format>Haha well played friend, discard is a tough matchup for my deck, maybe I should rethink the cards Im running>EDH>NOOOOO STOP THAT CARD ISNT FUN. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO PLAY THE GAME NOW.>ARE YOU REALLY PLAYING RELIC OF PROGENITUS? I HAVE A GRAVEYARD DECK THAT CARD ISNT FAIR>AHHHHH SAVE ME GAVIN SAVE ME REDDIT
>>97697643this but ironicallyI played a grave deck and when I didn't flip the table after a boggart trawler they asked if I had a counterspell in hand
>>97697643It's simply due to length.
>>97697665>Spend hundreds of dollars on cards to play a game>Proceed to play it>No you cant play that card>Why?>Oh because it would this hobby I am willingly engaging in take too long and I want to go do anything else.Subhuman behavior
>>97697672Not defending that behavior. Just explaining why.
Made a Sepiroth deck and regret it. Way too oppressive and my opponents were just sitting there and couldn't play. But I spent too much money on it to just disassemble it.
>>97697736>pushed card is better than unpushed cardgo convince them to make a stronger deck
>>97697736Just use it for tournaments then
>>97697736Just leave it for when you're playing against faggots then.
>>97697615Hopeful.
>>97697672>Spend thousands of dollars on a Black Lotus>Some retard tells me I can't play it because it's "unfun"
>>97698019I mean I'd laugh at someone who actually spent that amount of money on a single card but I'd still let them use it.
>>97697501Untrue sadly. But also "ex tournament grinders" arent your average playerbase. Even in your larp you defeat your position dipshit lmao
>>97698077>grinders frequent the lgs but when they stop grinding they totally stop going to the lgs and just stay home true and real
UNBAN MY ZESTY ELF YOU WOTC FUCKS!
>>97697023>O-ring doesn't target>Says target right on the card as part of its ETB>Nothing on oracle about it being special and not like every other ETB effect with a target What am I missing here?
Post decks until the thread dies
>>97698172>Piggy already put TMNT cards in his deck Lmao
>>97698222You have never posted a deck on here.
>>97698222Yeah they go pretty good with him
Decks that lack any sense of theme disgust me in a visceral way.
>>97698334Yeah every deck should be tribal
>>97698334The theme of my deck is Universes Beyond.
>>97698334Winning is my theme
>>97698236I've been posting decks here without UB for years. I've just burned out from mtg currently, I came here to laugh at decks like yours full of Funko pops
>>97698374>we get UB cards>you get to laughSeems fair to me
>>97698374You need some irl friends
>>97698019>Misconstrue argument into something completely different>Heh, ownedWhat the fuck is with reading comprehension on this board.Also your post is double retarded because Lotus speeds the game up, not slow it down.
>>97696798>due to state-based actionsState based actions have nothing to do with this interaction, what were they going on about?
>>97698092Hard to fathom how stupid someone would have to be to type this nonsense in response to me and think it makes any sense
>>97698342>theme means tribalWhew lots of low iq retards in the thread today
>>97698479My theme is cards with hidden phallic imagery
>>97698493post deck then
>>97698473It's easy for me to fathom that retards like you exist that's for sure
if you squint hard enough its a one ring on a stick minus the protection
>>97698425Pedophile shitposter goes out of his way to cause arguments because he has nothing else in life
>>97698612Classic poopdickschizo post.
>>97698551Nothing you are saying makes sense. You aren't even a coherent conversationalist anon.
>>97697364
>>97698677You know what doesnt make sense? Assuming everyone that posts here is a filthy casual and cannot be a former tournament grinder, sucks to suck in a children's card game i guess hehe
>>97698728.... no such assumption was made. Are you just trying to embarrass yourself?
>>97698172Rub-a-dub
>>97698816>grinders that play edh do exist>no they are a minority in brackets despite it being tailored for themLol
>like to play mono black>can't play my current deck because it rapes everyone with edicts + lifegain drain and friends hate itwhat do? I really, really like leveling the battlefield and hindering everyone from putting too much shit onto the board, but I need to be more subtle about it, if that's somehow possible.
>>97698962"Let me do the thing" mentality has caused a stigma to interaction and gives green a lot of leeway to take over thr game, thanks sheldon
>>97698962Make another deck or tell them to get good.
>>97698962teach them about the control combo aggro trifecta
>>97698945Genuinely what the fuck are you talking about anon? How on earth do you figure that brackets were designed for less than 1% of the playerbase? You are so fucking dumb its painful, and given the prevalence of delusional thinking an actual danger to those around you
>>97699062Oh so brackets were designed for an average casual faggot like you? Dont mind me playing a krrik deck ported from cedh to bracket 3 following gavin's rules then surely you're not going to complain about my early necro right?
>>97699082>start argument>be wrong>start sperging about everythingClassic edhg. No i wouldnt complain about anything.
>>97699151>i wasnt complaining And yet you were just complaining about fag thinking >>97697210 kek
Brackets dont exist
>>97699082Post your CEDH tourny wins.Hell, just post your IRL paper CEDH decks
>>97699170>dox yourself!Concession accepted
>>97699182>Posting a picture of cardboard is doxing yourselfLarper confirmed, fellow casual.
>>97699202>posting pictures of proxied cedh decks is supposed to prove somethingNot my problem you were too naive to realize that cedh decks could just be ported over, clear skill issue
>>97699228>More larper cope.Until proof, you're just a casual larper.That's how speaking from authority works. Put up or shut up. Casual.
>>97699082If your deck is built for cEDH requirements (winning as early as possible based on the furthest extent of the cardpool's power) it's not fulfilling the requirements of bracket 3. There's more than just hard game changer and no MLD rules.
I tap my Target gift card for $70 so that I may summon Sealed Commander Product: Turtleslop to the fieldThen I'll activate its Scalper Product ability. I may choose to Exile it for 1 year to double my resources I spent on it.Your move, Planeswalker....
>>97699168That isnt complaining anon :-| are you esl? That is pretty much the only way this continued exchanged could exist. A seething ESL who can hardly even follow the conversation.>you make claim>I say claim wint happen as most people dont think like fags>you start sperging about "tournament grinders">magic players who play in tournies are less than 1% of the playerbaseEmbarrassing display, saddest part is he thinks hes coming out on top in this exchange.
>>97699241No i'm not going to post my decks and i'll continue to post my correct takes itt to educate people and have them play in their correct bracket which is b2, have a nice day i suppose lol
>>97699306And yet arent tournament grinders fags? Arent cedh people full of he/hims and troons? And when someone breaks b3 arent you going to cry to gavin to have rhystic banned for the nth time again?
>>97699300>he doesnt know what "port" meansOh no...
>>97699329Anon when your entire position hinges upon literal delusion it is time to rethink it and stop making a fool of yourself.
>>97699389Meanwhile your entire position hinges on people not complaining about being pubstomped when they do encounter that 1% boogeyman of yours, good luck with that
>>97699341You would need to rebuild the deck almost entirely to make it acceptable in bracket 3. It would no longer be "your cEDH K'rrik deck" at that point. Cutting the fast mana and limiting yourself to three game changers would change the deck so drastically that it would no longer be a simple port. I say this as someone who likes K'rrik enough to build him for various power levels.
>>97699431Uh no, no it doesnt. Thank you for confirming that you are a delusional esl
>>97699482If you really like krrik port him over to b3 where your aim is turn 5 sickening dreams line so you dont get called out for going infinite too early
>>97699569In B3 I play him as a big creature + Gray Merchant deck.
>>97699482>>97699569you can literally do anything with krrik in bracket 3 and wipe the floor with everyone. I know because I once built a big mana life drain joke deck with him and was unstoppable. >>97699597yeah, this.
>See a commander that seems a little fun>Find out its a face commander from a precon so everyone will laugh at you and spit on your hair and call you girl namesFucking hate it.
>>97699659>caring in the slightest what other people at a commander MTG pod think of youYou know what kind of dogshit gets these people excited
>>97699659Stop being a faggot. Just play what you want to play.
>>97699659You're right, you shouldn't play it. It's a voltron commander. Even playing it at its peak performance it will never be higher than a 3 no matter what you put into it.Voltron decks are just straight up trash, even mill out perform them
>>97699759So what? Bracket 2-3 is peak magic, especially if you have tons of game changers and it's still a 2 or 3.
>>97699170happy?now post yourself
>>97699821>Big Chungus-Three and the Asian Twink
>>97699821Me on the far right how do you actually get that big and not see an issue with it?
>>976998212nd from the right wearing a shirt like a tent is so oof
>>97699821Average CMC in this picture for body weight?
>>97699169This. They are also somehow extremely gay and retarded. You faggots argue about dumb shit on the daily
>>976999086, 2, 10, 5
>>97698962Who are you running? Ive been having fun with Vincent.
>>97699821Guy on the very left looks like a fat male version of Greta Thunberg
How many discard outlets do you realistically need in a reanimator deck? Currently at 7 + through the breach & sneak attack.
>>97699989Enough that you have one in your opening ahead every time unless its in the command zone
>>97699989That sounds about right. What colors? Make sure you play at least two graveyard protection.My question is which should I run? Hour of Revelation or All is Dust?>Hour of Revelation >Often costs WWW>WWW can be a problem in 3+ color decks>gets rid of colorless >All is Dust>always costs at least 1 more mana, but no color pips>gets around indestructible>but leaves colorless aloneI'm torn. I'm thinking about cutting hour of revelation over all of dust just because it gets rid of most of the nasty indestructible stuff that pops up, but you pay for it. I already have several sources for targeted artifact removal like Aura Shards and Farewell.
>>97697527>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CANT JUST WINDMILL SLAM MY CARDSUnironically this though. This game is only fun when I actually get to let my cards interact, and they can't do that if I'm always holding them back in fear.
>>97697527Its the same reason why MLD is restricted to bracket 4.Lower power casual players don't want to have someone drop worldfire just for the lawls without any way to move the game forward. Farewell is near that level, People use it just to waste time instead of having it set-up and it double or triples the amount of time the game will take. Its actually, honestly worse than Worldfire since that puts a sword to everyone's throat by putting everyone at 1 health.
>>97700052If your deck can't come back from a Farewell then you need to build better decks. You either overextended and therefore new the risk but said fuck it, or you didn't include any recursion or enough draw/tutors to get back into the game. By turn 6-7 every deck worth a damn should have one card that can instantly get them back into the game, or get them that card.
>>97700073>or you didn't include any recursionFor exile?All what, 2 cards in the entire game that can return something from exile?>Skill issue if you can't recover from FarewellWhy would anyone run Farewell if it wasn't for the fact its devastating to recover from.>Run all those tutors, which are also game changers to get you back into the game!Yes... which is why they want it to be a gamechanger? Because lower power decks aren't able to do that?Like, are you a psychopath who is unable to imagine any situation they aren't in, or do you just honestly lack this much critical thinking?
>>97696412what sex and race is this supposed to be
>>97700094>overcommits, cries about removal, scoops after more than one board wipeIf you're a baby back bitch just play Brackets 1 & 2
>>97700012Jund (Rograkh + Reyhan)Think I'm at the point I need to cut cards but I have 10 reanimate effects, 12 reanimate targets, vamp tutor + the elemental and treefolk harbingers for baleful force / woodfall primus, unmarked grave + buried alive + entomb, sneak attack + through the breach, eldritch evolution + birthing pod. Currently have shriekmaw, grief, fury, ingot chewer, vibrance, boseiju, flare of malice, hammer mage, and liliana of the veil planned for interaction that doesn't require reanimation but I ought to run a little bit more enchantment removal.For your deck, I'd only bother with All is Dust if you plan on going heavy on colorless.
>>97700052Reminder that MLD is soft banned not because it's strong, but because players literally dont know how to win with it and just durdle and waste people's time
>>97700094You don't need to get all your cards back from exile. You should have multiple cards in your deck that do the same thing if they are that important to winning. If not, then run your riftsweeper or accept that you got blown out by farewell because that is what your deck is weak against. Multiple win cons too, anon.
>>97699921ardyn, brewing gix right now. vincent sounds like he's right up my ally. mono black really is tasty.
>>97700073Tell that to the three guys whose evening you soured by tacking an hour onto a single game that may have been almost over. There's no worse vibe kill than multiple players asking if they should just scoop and get another game because the one they're currently playing became so obnoxious that they'd rather start over. It's all well and good to tell people in a 60 card format when to go to the next game to preserve time in the round but in the "we're here to have fun" show and tell game mode strict competitive arguments like scooping being objectively correct or deck building umm ackshuallys aren't fitting the mood in most pods, especially in bracket 2. Objectively correct information can be wrong depending on the time and place.
>>97700128Vincent is back breaking if you build him correctly. You have to accept being the archenemy the second your first edict goes off.
>>97700114And they're right.If you're playing Worldslayer avacyn, I don't care, you're going to take awhile to set up and that is your win con.People playing armageddon on curve just because can just fuck off.
>>97700172>on curveYeah, t1 birds, t2 terravore, t3 armageddon (;
bought a rejuvenating springs on cardmarket in foil for like 10 bucks. arrived today and the foil stamp is so extremely off centered. i wont keep this shit
>>97700052I have never seen someone who runs worldfire "for the lulz." people use it as a wincon. I have no idea how this became worldfire's rep when the primary use of it prebanning was a wincon in Jhoira and now a wincon in shit like 10th doctor or any other deck that can take advantage. I've seen it as a wincon in an all Chandra deck.
>>97699659You can just tell people you thought the face commander was good and brought him separately
>>97699659You want to know something fucked up? Neon Dynasty coming out before Lord of the Rings means most current players weren't around when it came out. No one is going to give a shit about your weird snake guy with a normal border.
>>97700157yeah, mono got a lot of crazy commanders lately. just look at super shredder kek
>>97699659Did this guy get a boost when all the job select equipments in FF came out?
>>97700376He's been going up the last year, however, not like its by any large amount of money, but interest in him in the past year has gone up.
>>97700376Eh. The best job selects are in black and blue, not red and green. He's okay in Naya Cloud as another source of bodies but he's one of many decent creatures that can go in that slot. .
>stuck waffling under collector ouphe>opponent casts storm herd>swing with a perilous myr, quicksand it to kill the ouphe>play harbinger of the seas to get enough blue to whir of invention, grab ensnaring bridge, 0 cards in hand>opponent had austere command anyways
Outside of running every black tutor, are there any good ways to get to an enchantment in golgari in your deck without instantly making it a bracket 4 just to find it?
>>97700429Run shittier tutors? Bracket 3 generally isn't supposed to allow for hard relying on being able to find a specific card. What's the enchantment?
>>97700435Had a dumb idea for a bracket 2 or low 3 of just playing golgori pumpspells and cycling through your deck. Kinda at the point in brewing where it seems like the effort to put in to find it to work is puts it at the level where it probably won't work because everything else at the level isn't really a meme deck.
>>97700435>Bracket 3 generally isn't supposed to allow for hard relying on being able to find a specific card.Says who?
>>97700491Says retarded anon who hallucinated his own definition of bracket 3 into existence
>guy on Green Goblin has waste not out>tries to windfall>counterbalance trigger on the stack>enlightened tutor for amphibian downpour>counter windfall>cast amphibian downpour off the top for storm count 3>shut down his board and the cloud strife voltron deckOogh that felt good.
>>97699759I run Danitha as an aura voltron and it works surprisingly well >low cost>already has a mountain of key words >built in recursion She's really great for recycling removal auras because even if they get rid of it you can recast them from GY
>>97700516This thread does that a lot.
>>97700450What were you even thinking for a commander for such a thing?
>>97700598In the air about these 3.Skullbriar maybe but least likely.
Is there a good reason to play this in a non-soul sisters type deck just because it can give you a moderate amount of life, and potentially give you infinite life?
>>97700712Nah
>>97700712she cute just do it
>>97700712I wouldn't bother. The scenarios where the life will save you are pretty niche. Suture Priest and Blood Seeker effects will punish people for going wide and potentially stop people from being able to go infinite.
>>97700491At the very least it's kinda cringe. There's a reason effecient tutors are on the game changers list.
>>97700712Completely invalidates aristocrats decks and will get you an extra turn or two of life in most games, not bad if it fits into your deck somehow. As a random card? No card should be random in your deck.
>>97700814>>97700814>>97700814Waddle on into the new thread bros!
>>97700632Glissa is the best out of these by far. She's overperformed in so many of my decks I've considered building around her as a swiss army knight Golgari goodstuff commander.
>>97698611jenovabros
>>97698150Clearly means target on cast.
>>97699062Most players literally don't know what the bracket system even is, just the ban list they checked out once if at all.
