Previous: >>97706765Literally killing the game edtion>Most recent banlist updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.comhttps://www.pdhrec.com>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM >Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQWhy don't verbally and physically assault any and all blue trash you come up against?
>TQI dont really care its just a game dude whats your problem?>MyQHow many lands should i play in grixis if i have 5 mana rocks?
>>9771821135
>>97718211What's your average cmc? If you have a proper mana curve (2.xx - 4.00 cmc) you need at least 37 lands. Untapped rocks that are 2 or less mana account for roughly .5 of a land so theoretically if you need 37 lands and have 5 rocks you could run 35 lands and are mathematically unlikely to be mana screwed but you're right on the borderline.In general I would argue against replacing lands with rocks. Ramp in general is declining in importance as the cost of good cards keeps getting lower while we're steadily getting good new lands that can color fix and come untapped.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>playing Sonic >drop pic related and it sticks >manage to get 4 sonic clones out before I wonGotta go fast XD
what can I do about players in my pod who use ai to build decks?
>>97718420Laugh at them? AI is a tool of idiots.
>>97718420Some people can't draw, and its a skill that takes years to hone. So I can't begrudge people using AI as a brush too much.Using AI to build you a deck isn't the same. You have the ability to read and see synergies on cards. That's just lazy. Deck building is a low skill floor.
>>97718460You laugh but a lot of people find it very hard to consistently win a pvp game like mtg
>>97718431>>97718460True, but I want them to be better. I'm tired of cards like purphoros, god of the forge showing up in every deck that has access to red because some machine thinks it will be efficient to do so.
Commanders with this feel?
>>97718501I have no fucking clue what that feel is
>>97718501This is too lewd for wotc
>play at Lorwyn Draft a few weeks ago>go into UB faeries like a retard>have a decent number of counterspells in my deck even though that's usually awful in draft>whatever, I came to have fun>go against elves player>every time he plays something he asks me "does it resolve?">I say yeah no problem>this continue>I appreciate he is playing properly>however he still asks this when I only have a single black mana untapped>then he asks it while I am fully tapped out with a single creature on boardI wanted to say "dude there is no Force of Will in Lorwyn Eclipsed what the hell are you doing?"He was a really nice guy I would have had a beer with him and all that and we chatted after the games but that irrationally triggered my autism.
>>97718543Probably just out of habit from playing against blue bullshit in the past dude.
>>97718501Sergeant John Benton and just use one of those stills as a proxy
>>97718200>TQBecause I've never actually played against any mono blue decks. Even then, it doesn't matter.>>97718211Depends on the commander. 35 generally is my ballpark. 36 if it really needs mana. But I never use more or less than 10 rocks.>>97718420What's the problem with that? I'd argue netdecking is worse. AI at least doesn't do a very good job of optimizing. Either way, gotta start somewhere. Once they actually play with their AI decks, they'll eventually (and hopefully) learn why a card is good and why a card is bad. I'd say around when they finally figure out why Swords to Plowshares is good despite giving opponents life, that's when they're starting to learn.>>97718501When they drop the NieR:Automata™ UB set, A2 or 2B will be the best commanders for that feel.>>97718543I generally do this, just to make sure other players don't forget they have something to counter resolve things. My friends sometimes forget that there's even a stack and how it even works. So I try to help them remember there's more layers than just playing spells and tapping things at sorcery speeds.
>>97718501
Sol Ring should have the triggered ability: "Whenever you lose one or more life, do that many push-ups. If you can't, exile this permanent."
>>97718281Average cost is 3.1 my commander costs 5. My top end is 9 but is krang ultrom warlord but i plan to reanimate it not cast it. Im only replacing fabled passage and prismatic vista because i only play three basics. I have the fetchlands and seething landscape in.
>>97718601True. I can't think of any free counterspells in the past few years in new releases. I really doubt he was a legacy player. Maybe modern but modern meta has gotten so shifted the past 5 years I don't even remember what's available there anymore.
>>97718501og narset
>>97718501>Off-topic coombait>Question that lampshades it's off-topic
>>97718971>meanwhile my on topic question gets completely ignored.I love mtgs community.
>>97718998I already answered it though>>97718534
>>97718971>Flexible >Looks good>Expensive>Bullies everyone at the table Idk anon I think it's not too much to ask for a commander that fits the criteria.Also it's called having a bit of fun, and it's better than having the umpteenth UB mental breakdown chain once again.
Rocco(The Exile one) or Faldorn?
>>97719085Believe it or not UW has no legendary character that wields a rapier
What about this bitch?
>>97718543Maybe he didn't get to check the full spoiler. I've acted similarly when I went to prerelease only knowing the color archetypes just to hang with my buddies and because I vibed with the set aesthetic
>>97719100There's one
Leremy, Master of None4RBCreature - ClownT: Exile a card from your hand with a triggered ability or replacement effect.Leremy gains each triggered ability of cards exiled with it, except each such ability’s effect is “each opponent loses 1 life.”Replacement effects of cards exiled with Leremy apply as though they said “each opponent loses 1 life instead.”
>>97719260I can't be convinced this is not AI at least partially. Wtf is that rapier guard, it's just floating there
>tfw Insurrection an Ur-Dragons board
why do they feel the need to do this
>>97719260A weapon with that kind of hilt is not a rapier
Commander for this feel?
>>97719463piru the volatile, child of alara, lord xanderany death trigger one really
>>97719463Ashling, the Pilgrim with 99 Mountains
whats the most complicated deck to pilot in bracket 2?
>>97719556Nothing? Because its the braindead bracket, and if your deck is complex to the point its hard to pilot, it likely isn't a 2 to begin with.
>>97719569that not how brackets work
>>97719569I gotta give myself something to do when playing with the precon pod. Some kinda lil solitaire thing or something
>>97719556Tayam Luminous Enigma
>>97719373Speaking of, how is Ur-Dragon these days? I'm tempted to build a fuckhuge deck with him, the ancient metal squad, and the other usual suspects.
>>97719569>t. retard>>97719556Depends. Dredge is pretty complicated, as is eggs, aristocrats, and kci.
>>97719703>Tell someone they are a retard>Then go on to say dredge is complicatedTop kek
>>97719691They're everywhere. Practically the Golos of dragon decks.
>>97719714It is if you cant cast gitrog or deterministically combo out.
>>97718354Post list. Been meaning to use Sonic.
>>97719229anyone thinking that a free counterspell is getting printed into standard in 2026 is retarded imho
I wish there were more ways to give your whole squad vigilance.
>>97720077esper vigilance from the cz, thanks UB!
>>97718200UB-chads just stay winning
>>97719352>>97719402Fucking retards dont even know a single thing about dueling. The guard is fine and perfect for trapping or redirecting an opponents blade. You are trying to poke the bad guy without getting poked and you both have daggers retard niggers.
Based OP.>POV: You're playing blue
>>97720259If I was South Korean I'd be very upset right now.
Dropping this against curve players is so awesome
>>97720279Can't believe they are letting North Koreans on 4chan.
>>97720290Dropping this against people casting their commander on curve is also very awesome especially when someone else already did it to them 2 turns earlier and now their commander costs 4 more and they scoop lmao get gud scrub
>>97718200>play blue>not for stun>not for Rhystic/Remora>just like clone spells and self-mill
>>977203141 for 1 spell, pretty bad
>>97720349Force of will is bad now guys, since at best its going 1 for 1, and at worst 2 for 1
>>97720360force of willing a commander is really bad yeah
I'm kind of shocked there isn't a "counter target spell or ability that targets a permanent you control" card yet.Feels like such an obvious thing to print.
>>97720563Forgot this wouldn't protect spells on thr stack so it might as well just give shit hexproof.
>>97720432>>97720360Some things need to be fought on the stack.
>>97720432Is using swords on a commander bad too since its going 1 for 1
>>97720563Minus the "or ability" part there's several. Also some for creatures, also some for "that targets you" that I didn't include
>>97720432>>97720349yeah I never ever EVER play Path to Exile on a commander that's about to end the game. It's 1 for 1, after all
>>97720622Keep Safe seems nice. I usually save my counters to protect my shit anyways since countering "thing that wins game on the spot" just prolongs games.
Mathfags please help.Which fast mana, ramp and how many lands do i need to relatively reliably get Sauron out on turn 4 (maybe a 60% chance at least)?
Am I tryhard if I include pic rel as my only proxy in my benny deck?
>>97720674Nah this card is cool. Just make sure not to proxy the oracle text.
>>97720649I pulled one of these from the special guest thunder junctions, I really wanted to like/use it but ended up finding other generic counterspells did more for me, mostly because my deck is usually quite reactive, so it wasn't my stuff being targeted that I wanted to stop.
>>97720674Proxies are based
>>97720674>Am I a tryhard if I put in a 1000+ dollar proxy that is actually quite superfluousYes retard.
>>97720722>>97720688>>97720720I'm drawing on my proxy with a sharpie and it says "JOHN FUCKING MADDEN"
>>97720674Nah you're only allowed to run this card if """""your friend""""" gave to to you """""as a present"""""
>>97720738I mean. That's pretty funny, but the question wasn't if proxy were based or funny, it was if it was tryhard, and yes, it definitely is.
>>97720705I'm thinking of adding it into my more creature centric decks that happen to have Blue.Generic counters are better and I'm not dying for card draw, but as a general rule I don't like counterspelling shit unless it puts me behind like removal, stax pieces or other counter spells.I play at low power tables so there's no real need to prolong games by counterspelling shit that actually advances the game state with me having a couple of hard counters for when someone balls out a little too quickly for my tastes.
>>97720722In a just world Chains of Mephistopheles would be a 9 dollar card you throw into Nekusar or decks that want to punish draw.Instead it's 1000 dollars because of investoids.
>>97720738Hells yeah.>>97720722You're just mad things cost money.
>>97720784>You're just mad things cost money.No, I'm answering his question. There is no reason to have it in a deck other than tryharding. There's no discard deck that simply can't function without it. Its just putting a 1k card into a deck for the sake of having an expensive card in your deck. Proxy or not.
>>97720349nice opinion, from which YouTuber did you steal it?
>>97720722>it costs a lot so you should not proxy itHuh?
>/edhg/ seems to simply not be able to understand what being a tryhard meansNot surprising.
>>97720802All you said is the card is expensive. Why are you lying to yourself? The issue is only the price in your mind.
>>97720827I don't see what makes chains the best discard card in game
hey /ccg/, if I was thinking of making "evil party" as a theme, what class types should it be? I was thinking druid, barbarian, knight, and shaman/sorcerer. honestly I was originally thinking warlock instead of druid, but warlocks are already outlaws.since party is already a d&d party, what would the campaign's nemesis party composition be?
>it's another anti-proxy melty episodeOh boy!
>>97720829Its not played because its expensive, on top of not being that good. To proxy it into your deck, is just being a tryhard.You saw price and focused onto it because you lack the intelligence to see subtext. >>97720844No where did anyone say you're not allowed to proxy.Your constant need to be validated is quite sad. Considering you are making "tryharding" about proxies because it has to be about you and justifying your actions. Foul mental retardation.
>>97720883So if the card isnt good, why is it tryharding other than the price, autismo?
>>97720883>Its not played because its expensive, on top of not being that good. >To proxy it into your deck, is just being a tryhard.
Looking into building a Juri deck, trying to play into the clown/circus/rakdos bullshit as a deck theme.I've gone through the hellbent/unleash/spectacle and cards with the rakdos watermark on scryfall for ideas, but are there any more cards that lean into that?
>You should not proxy expensive cardsAren't those the cards you SHOULD proxy?
>>97720942Still too much of a simpering retard to know what's been said? Go read a book instead of refusing to reply in limp dick rage.
>>97720959Why are you replying to that guy instead of the people who were tracking your nonsense?
>ban most of the banlist>bring back the tuck rule>bring back the old legendary rule>ban UB cards by defaultThere. I fixed the format.
>>97721084>bring back the old legendary ruleWhich one?
>>97721084>ban most of the banlistuh... done?
>>97720827>i am so much smarter than everyone else around me watch me jerk myself off
>>97721171THE old legendary rule. Only one card, period, of each legendary creature allowed at a time.
I think what's been starting to bother me more than crossover fatigue is the sheer volume of effects they put on the ready-made commanders. Pic related is a prime example, it would be seen as a quality commander even if it didn't have the partner select text.Like I feel like virtually every commander from pre-2016 is almost a dud card and if I want to keep up with the meta I either need to spend a dramatic amount of money of money/energy upgrading my 99, or I can just bite the bullet and switch my commander out for the latest FIRE commander in the same identity with like 3 different effects, but that takes away the nostalgia value.IDK, maybe I'm just outgrowing this format after playing for almost 20 years. Thanks for reading my blog
>>97721231>Like I feel like virtually every commander from pre-2016 is almost a dud cardPowercreep is what sells. This has been proven for like.. 20+ years across all things gaming. Gotta deal out the FOMO for the newest/shiniest/strongest new thing
>>97721231I just fucking hate, SO FUCKING MUCH, making commanders WUBRG just for the sake of doing so. It was neat on cards like Urtet/Azlask so you could include all those myr/devoid cards, but slamming a stupid ass "okay here just end the game" ability on an already sloppy ass fucking 5c goodstuff pile is so goddamned lame
I really like partner commanders
>>97721272Partner was one of the greatest innovations of the format and I super dislike how restricted they've made it
>>97721272>I like broken crutch mechanicsDaring today, aren't we?
I like building commanders no matter the power level personally. Even if they're realistically on the weaker side.
I like building bracket 2 funpiles that lets the entire table have fun and be happy
>>97721296Not all commanders are broken. Do you really think character select and doctor's companion are powerful as fuck? The overpowered one was the original iteration.No one cries about "PARTNERS WITH (specific card)"
>>97721353>I said partner>Now let me list all of these things that aren't partnerWould you say "i love discover as a mechanic" then proceed to list cascade cards?
>>97721377Autism post
Have you actually seen anyone brining turtle in your pod?how your table reacted?
>>97721391Don't use keywords incorrectly. not that difficult.
>>97721398
>>97721391>is objectively wrong>acts more stupidMany such cases.
I just wish wizards stops repriting the same similar card with diferent variations, Nice "one off" card, oh there are other 4 on the deck that do the fucking same
>>97721272I hate you. I took personal offense at that. It's comanDURRRR not commanDERPS.
>>97720844i allow proxies as long as they look like the original cardyou dont know the hell is try to keep track of a full custom proxy
>>97721421<3
>>97721398Yes.We didn't care. I'm not going to have a chris-chan tier meltdown because someone spent money on something i didn't like.
>>97721398No one cares. No one has ever cared about UB at the 3 LGSs I frequent. The only people that sperg out about it are on here
Is he a kino esper artifact deck?
>proxy cardboard pieces>proxy golf clubs>proxy fishing lures>proxy mountain bike>proxy running shoes>proxy game console>proxy books
>>97721449>he doesn't proxy military gear>https://x.com/chiefofautism/status/2033075790368108984ngmi
>>97721449I proxy books all the time.
>>97721398I'm building two commanders from Turtles. Pizza Face and the Elf Rebel one.
>>97721398I've never seen anyone brine a turtle, no>>97721440it's sharuum but you can't secretly be esper astral slide. in return, you get to go "hee hee I use nesting grounds to put a finality counter on your guy"
>>97721449You can proxy all of these things.They will look and function like shit.Which is why you should put bad art on obvious fake cards if you are going to proxy.
Is there an ojou-sama commander? Preferably in Selesnya+ for Smothering Tithe and Boxing Ring. I guess Shantotto exists for UB, but it lacks the colors and is UB.
>>97721547why boxing rin- oh is this a fate reference
>>97721547>cute white girls>in magiclmao
>>97721555Karin Kanzuki from Street Fighter also comes to mind.
>>97721558
>>97721582>>>UB
>>97721547since this is just vibes, take my suggestions and form your own opinions. from my scan of the art:dress tag,olivia, atalya, hylda, kitt kanto, leinore, marchesa, queen allenal, ayara, xira airen
>>97721547
>>97721601Irrelevant
>>97721547Rubinia and OJOJOJO while you beat a nig with their own wincon
>>97721689Is there a term for commanders that have the hybrid mana but can be cast using monocolor mana like Jinnie and Ognis?
>>97721689this actually works with smothering tite because instead of people getting salty about you gaining mana you just create an army of cats
>>97721724do you just mean the cycle from capenna, or do two-color hybrid legends like rosheen or sygg count as well?
https://moxfield.com/decks/NS9DJSPo6kKnlKWpv7tTbgI have all of these cards on my desk.. now to choose what to cut
>>97721755>the cycle from capennaHuh yeah I didn't know they were a cycle until just now. I was specifically looking at the 3c commanders from that set
>>97721757White bordered Cabal Coffers, Fallout, Spongebob. That must be the dumbest pile of crap I have ever seen. You are a dumb tasteless person. I suggest you cut the entire deck and your wrists afterwards.
>>97718668I just did 145 pushups today withput stopping, I think I'll be fine.
>>97721440My playgroup kills me on sight whenever I play him so I guess?
>>97720217>>97719260Show me a rapier where the top of the hilt is two rings floating in middair you spasticLook at this then look at that sword. Looks EXACTLY like how an AI would draw a swept hilt
>>97722095I like how everyone assume human artist don't make mistake anymore after ai image generation is a thing.
>>97721231what you really want is a closed format anonplay PreDH or Premodern or something>>97721255yeah wotc can make anything WUBRG via rulesbox loophole but god forbid they change hybrid mana rules hahaha...
>>97722137Am I supposed to accept an artist making a mistake when, in the year of our Lord 2026, anyone could, in less than a minute, find out exactly what a rapier looks like?
>>97722138>yeah wotc can make anything WUBRG via rulesbox loophole but god forbid they change hybrid mana rules hahaha...This is two completely different things are you retarded..??
>>97720802You can say this about literally any card retard. You'd be saying the same thing about Counterspell if investard faggots has convinced WOTC to never reprint it and keep it reserved list.
>>97722184reminder that hybrid is a loophole to make something have a monocolor identity retard
>>97721231Anyone complaining about UB and not FIRE is a brainlet whose opinion can be safely discarded. Power creep is a blight in card games and magic is one of the worst in this regard. Commander became popular because people were fucking tired of having to constantly update decks and buy new shit but now if you aren't getting upgrades at least once every 6-12 months your deck is steadily rusting out. Less than 10 years ago Markov used to be seen as THE premier Mardu aggro commander and was a boogeyman that caused groans at the table. Now he's barely bracket 2 and can't hang with a precon like Zurgo.Unfortunately this is a problem that's going to rapidly accelerate now that they've upped the set count.
>>97721724i was really looking forward to putting this is sanic with the hybrid rules change :(
>>97722207You try this deflection every time, and every time youre told that FIRE design was 6 fucking years ago, WotC acknowledged it as a mistake, and UB is happening NOW and is fucking up the gameKill yourself
>>97721398No.We wouldn't play. I'm going to have a chris-chan tier meltdown because someone spent money on something i didn't like AND push it in my face rather than keep it to themselves like they should.
>>97721449this but unironically
>>97722381>FIRE design was 6 fucking years ago>those bans from UW sets from 2021 to today? totally not FIRE guys
>>97722417>No.>We wouldn't play. I'm going to have a chris-chan tier meltdown because someone spent money on something i didn't like AND push it in my face rather than keep it to themselves like they should.
I have no idea what the fuck "FIRE design" is and cringe at everyone mentioning it. Sounds like some zoomie bullshit
>>97719393I dont know, it's like they never learn
>>97722441I think it's supposed to mean a card that basically does everything.
>>97722441>>97722520you two need to be 18 to post herehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/card-preview/fire-it-2019-06-21
>>97722527No one plays half of those cards anymore, it should be updated.
>>97720077What a power-crept card. Those powerful white cards are out of control!
>>97722527>Starting with War of the Spark, we pushed to make more commons exciting.Exceptionally and objectively stupid motherfucking decision. They're commons for a reason, they're supposed to be trash. Make them uncommons/rares if they need to be "better" holy FUCKING shit
>>97722535Yes, but they all completely fucking destroyed standard, and FIRE design is focused on Standard first. Or at least it was.>>97722565Commons can be good. The main issue though is that they completely and utterly fucking failed at making commons more interesting.
>>97722424Just because a card gets banned doesnt mean it’s FIRE design. If that were true then FIRE existed since the 90sAgain, kill yourself.>>97722568This isn’t Standard
>>97722604>final fantasy ruined standard even though the only busted card there is vivi, UB bad>all those bans from busted UW cards? They dont count as FIRE because i said soRoru rumao
>>97722604>number of standard bans pre fire design? You can count them with your fingers>number of standard bans in fire design? You need your toes too
>>97722628>Vivi is cancer in Commander>UB has caused massive Legendary bloat, with 72 out of 320 cards in TMNT being Legendary with some printed at COMMON rarity>TMNT precon has fucking City of Brass and battlebond lands while regular 5c precons get absolutely shit on with basic forest and tapped landsThese are problems that affect Commander. Feel free to deflect away from them because your ego depends on something you like (UB) not being criticized
>>97722634c-can you count on your toes in front of me? just to make sure you got the number right, of course
fuck it, what is the end all be all Vehicle commander?ive tried a handful commanders and i have yet to find one that ties Vehicles together in a way thats not utterly clunky.i feel like it comes down to Shorikai
>>97722651I think Astor is pretty nice
>>97722638>vivi is cancer!>not knowing Gay Ral is actually betterLol>the number of legendary creatures that i will never use affects me somehow, a hundred more and commander will be erased from existence stop it maro noooKek>i'm mad that they reprint good cards in UB IP i hate and not in UW where they can be troonified, good thing i will totally not buy said product and just proxy anywayEcksdee
>>97722651Crew 1 from >>97722654 is really good, pic rel is also pretty good
>>97722651That blue white Aetherdrift one I guess>>97722656Concession accepted
>>97722651There isn't a "the one" since they all do things differently/better than each other. These are the ones that immediately jumped out at me
At least the TMNT deck doesnt have Teferis Protection and Fierce Guardianship am I right fellas?
>>97722671The 6 most expensive reprints in that deck pay for the entire deck
>>97722679Oh yeah?! Name 5 of them!
>>97722679>wotc made a good product with good cards? Nice>wait wotc didnt make it gay and dressed it up in a cartoon i dont like? FUCK IT'S RUINED
>>97722683Sure. >>97690161>Going from value of cards before reprint (i.e. the price WotC could fucking see as they put the deck together:>City of Brass - $22>Vigor - $17>Spire Garden - $16>Undergrowth Stadium - $11>Steelbane Hydra - $7>Fabled Passage - $5>>97722685I think you mean:>WotC is putting high value reprints into a UB-only product to inflate sales and thereby justify printing more UB meanwhile in-universe product can go fuck itself
>>97722697nta but I'm down for anything that brings the prices down. $30-$50 for a fucking piece of paper is objectively stupid.
>>97722697Ninja Pizza might also spike in price since it's amazing for food based decks.
>>97722697>in-universe product can go fuck itselfCorrect it can go die in a fire nobody cares
I think what pisses me off the most is that the food cards from the set don't even have pizzas. Why make the lands pizzas when all the food cards besdies the token revolve around pizza? This really activates my almonds.
>>97722707The prices of all those cards haven’t really moved. I guess if you want cheap copies of them you can buy the TMNT ones because no one wants them>>97722715God I love it when you take the mask off
>>97722730God i love it when you cant defend UW and you're just there literally shaking
>>97722735>im a fat UBpiggy and every time you tell me why my favorite slop is bad I’m gonna squeal and demand you try to sell me in-universe instead (and I’m gonna mistakenly call it “UW” the entire time on purpose!!!)Lol
>>97722730>>97722697Tbf, the TMNT City of Brass is less than $10 now. So you can say it moved down the price.
>>97722741>piggy>slop>in-universe
>>97722748Same with Vigor actually
>>97722748No that’s what I’m saying. Original prints haven’t gone down in price, but the TMNT reprints are very low value because no one wants them
>>97722751You seem to care a whole lot considering you come to these threads every single day with the same bait posts about your favorite slop
>>97722764Yeah I see that, didn't read the full post my bad.
>>97722776I do care about UB that's why I buy iti'm just here to laugh at retards shaking their fists at the sky whining about a cardgame they dont buy while not even attempting - not even once - to convert me to champion UW instead
>>97722785>teeheehee you have to jump through my hoops or I win!!!!Genuinely kill yourself
>>97722795>he still cant defend UWI want you to live forever so you can see mtg become the UB paradise it is meant to be :)
>>97722814B A I T I N G F A G G O T
If you were to make a deck featuring only one artist, not including any of the 'a deck may feature any number of' cards, who do you think would be the most powerful? My money's on Mark Tedin Mimeoplasm.
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>>97721231Yeah I completely agree with you. My araumi deck feels extremely power crept, if you have a commander that needs to tap to do anything, it feels too slow these days. They even power crept kinnan when they released Nadu, which I thought was impossible, but here we are
What are some of the best etb's in boros?
>>97722983depends on the deck
>>97722983Fuck if only there was a website that made those sorts of questions searchable.Someone should get on that.Unrelated link btwhttps://edhrec.com/tags/etb/boros
>>97722998>using npcrec when the owner is a flaming faggot
>>97722998>etb>attacks>attacks>attacks>attacksGreat site!
>>97722998Yeah I checked there and alot of creatures there have nothing to do with etbs. Like what does he have to do with etb?
>>97721398Yes and table is cool with it.Now if someone brings Fortnite soup deck with too many different IPs implemented, that's where the problem comes in.
>>97723018it's also full of irrelevant instants and shit because it just pulls from decklists rather than using any algo that cares about etbs.there's a handful of creatures on there but nowhere near the amount there should, like where is inferno titan? overlord of mistmoors?
>>97723003You’ll immediately stop using 4chan then right?>>97723012Not seeing that. Are you perhaps having some sort of irrational hallucination because I posted a site you don’t like?>>97723018Artifact ETBs. A card doesnt have to have an ETB on it to work well in an ETB deck you shit-for-brains retard. Especially in ETB and blink. The only meaningful way to interact with an ETB is to copy it, and there arent many commanders that do that.
>>97723023Cloud and aang and spiderman teaming up in b2 makes as much sense as sisay nicol bolas and animatou teaming up in cedh
>>97723049your advice sucked, sorry
>>97723064Wipe away those tears
>>97723049>Artifact ETBsAnon you're 10000% better off making a deck around sacrificing or lifegain with him. He does nothing for artifact etbs himself.
>>97723074Yeah and? You picked fucking boros ETBs. It’s not up to me how good the cards for that are, not my fucking problem.
>>97723074If I wanted to build artifact etbs I'd just use Kayla bin-Kroog
>>97723078I didn't say it's your problem anon, I just asked for good etb creatures in boros and for some reason you got upset.
>>97723084I linked you a site that will let you go find them instead of being spoonfed. YOU got upset that you saw a card that you didn’t understand. I explained to you that people are making what they can with limited options.
>>97723087Anon you started off passive aggressive for even wanting to ask for recommendations here instead of using edhrec. I don't know what the actual issue is here. I wasn't upset I was saying I used it already and since its recommending creatures with attack triggers and lifegain triggers I wanted to see what other anons recommend.
>>97723087you are just spreading misinfo without making any research and calling it helping. there are hardly any good etb creatures in the link. that's not cool
>>97722381>wotc acknowledged it was a mistakeSo fucking what you retard? Wotc "acknowledges" mistakes all the time and then doesn't course correct. Maro lies through his teeth constantly. Are you fucking new or something? You're an actual moron if you think even without UB they wouldn't be pushing power creep hard to keep sweaty faggots cracking packs. Christ you're dumb.
>>97723098>Anon you started off passive aggressive for even wanting to ask for recommendations here instead of using edhrecYup. You ever heard the phrase that goes “teach a man to fish…”?If every faggot who wanted recommendations posted here instead of just using the tools available to him the thread would be nothing but:>TELL ME WHAT TO PUT IN MY DECK!!!!!>its recommending creatures with attack triggers and lifegain triggers I wanted to see what other anons recommend.Jolly Balloon Man is the first recommendation and I don’t see any of that shit.You posted Ragost as your example. Without even looking at a decklist I can tell you people are probably using him as a shell for artifacts that have ETBs and LTBs. You disnt understand why that card was there, now you do. How about think for a few moments instead of running to ask someone else to think for you?
>>97722638>it was UB that created legend bloat!
>>97723122>[citation needed]Did you think I wouldn’t check?Dominara only has 45 cards that can be your commander, not 60https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Adominaria+is%3AcommanderThe rest are artifacts and planeswalkersI will reiterate. The TMNT set has SEVENTY-TWO cards that can be your commander
>>97722764Gee golly I wonder why a version of a card that was just released in large numbers and is currently far more easily obtainable than older versions is priced lower?
>>97723128Right because cards only go up in value the longer it’s been since they were printed, right?
>>97719393who at wotc decided that every plane needs ugly brightly colored bodysuits? i want to have a talk with xem.
>>97719463Someone post that Yurlok shitpost about 6 billion mana
>>97723126>UB has caused massive Legendary bloat, with 72 out of 320 cards in TMNT being Legendary with some printed at COMMON rarityYour exact words. You contend that UB is reasonable for the rise of legendaries in sets. I fucking dunked on you by providing actual evidence of when legendary bloat actually began in an easily digestible graph. It began with UW sets.>erm ASCHUALLY those sets that first started legendary bloat didn't have as many legendary creatures in them as sets today doYeah no fucking shit you actual brainlet, the exact numbers are not the point. The point is we went from a handful of legendaries in sets to dozens, and this trend started with UW. Again consult the chart. You are actually dumb.>>97723132Yes for a myriad of reasons. You don't understand how markets or collectibles work. You are actually dumb.
>>97723156>I fucking funked on youKek what a reddit thing to say.Youre in a Commander thread, and you think anyone is complaining about Legendary artifacts?You thought you had a gotcha, I checked if it was real and it wasn’t.Highest point in that graph is 64, Dominara. Of those only 45 are commanders. TMNT has 72 commanders. You have no answer to this
>>97723116you know what anon, you're right. you can keep schzio posting now and I'll ask in another thread
Do people really not know how to use scryfall?>o:"whenever" o:"enters the battlefield" commander:rw Boom, done. Want creatures or artifacts? Put t: in front of the type you want. Want to exclude attack triggers? Put a "-" in front like -o:"attack". Want something above or below or equal to a certain cost? Add mv>=3 or whatver like excel. It's not hard.
>>97723052Thing is that whenever I think of both Gay Boals and Animatou, I think of only Magic the Gathering. Now multiple different franchises each character.
>>97723217art:bare-feet art:female -art:male
>>97723231Put it in quotes, and tags are case sensitive.
>>97723235No, it works perfectly fine like that.
>Can't ask for recommendations >Can't post decklists>Can't talk about new sets>Can't talk about the game in a positive light whatsoever What CAN you do besides argue?
>>97723245Really? I always want to add a space after the colon (which borks it) and quotations for reasons I dont understand. I'm honestly surprised bare feet was hyphenated.
>>97723249You can do all that stuff, dont reply to retarded shitposters, and dont expect people to spoonfeed you easy stuff.
>>97723172>if I ignore the part of the post that refutes my argument I win the argument!You're the most redditman here dumbass. No more (You)s unless you address the actual refutations of your assertions (which were already dismantled aka dunked on, and said Yous will just be me laughing at you and referring to my previous debate winning points which you intentionally ignored so I would suggest not bothering in the first place).gg better luck next time
>>97723249Well regardless of whatever is said in the thread Anon I think you and your decks are cool :)
>>97723250Hyphens are finehttps://scryfall.com/docs/tagger-tagsThe tags are usually better for finding things than the wording of a cardoracletag:etb-other-creatureoracletag:synergy-surveilart:yonicectI really love scryfall man
>>97723283Neat, I've been brute forcing it case matching like a caveman, but it's been pretty fun. I love scryfall too, so fucking handy, and activates my latent excel brain, which gives me formula based errections.
>>97723272:) you're a pretty radical dude anon
>>97723218Thing is that whenever I think of Cloud and Aang I think of Magic the Gathering as well (forma de Weiss Schwarz/Fornite), not my problem if you ae unable to
>>97723122Cool graph anon. But why does it cut off right before it would show that Final Fantasy had 116 legendaries?
>>97723364>X number of legendaries is ok>but X+1?! HOLY FUCKthe autism is funny
>>97723122Zoom out and remove non-creatures
>>97722188Yes. And there would be still be 100 other cards that aren't worth 1000s of dollars to use, and you would still be a tryhard for thinking you must run the RL card just because.I know you can't wrap your mind around this, but just be a tryhard at logical reasoning.
>>97723370You mean X+48? Because that’s the difference between 64 (Dominaria) and 112 (Final Fantasy)
>>97718200How can I turn this deck it a tier 2? I think this is T3?https://moxfield.com/decks/F4yxlDu3vkO5tvu-y-Bwbw
>>97723375I await your dissertation on why 112 is bad but 64 or 80 or 96 or <112 is a-ok
>>97723381It already is a bracket 2
>>97723391Can you send me this site so I can check myself in the future? thanks anon
>>97723372I have made a graph for commanders only but can’t post it because no matter what browser I use the captcha says “Please unblock spur.us and mcl.io to proceed”I thought it was an Adblock thing but I opened Chrome because I don’t have an Adblock installed on that and I’m still getting the messageThe last few sets go like this:>MKM: 25>OTJ: 43>BLB: 25>DSK: 19>DFT:31>TDM: 16>FIN: 100>EOE: 18>SPM: 79>TLA: 65>ECL: 16>TMT: 72It’s fucking absurd to pretend that Legend bloat is just a thing now, 4 of the last 5 in-universe sets have had less than 20 Legends and all 4 of the UB sets have had more than 60
>>97723407https://www.commandersalt.com/
>>97723364Your seethe inspired me to buy another FF box btw
>>97723492Concession accepted, nigger
>>97723493I think I'll pick up one of the precons I don't have yet too ;^)
>>97723498Oooooh nooooooo anon your very real posts about things youre definitely going to do have convinced me to never post agaaaaaainTf is this playground shit? Youre a grown ass man
hold on, I could use this approach in other places too. just fund things people hate to make it prosper because nobody has a spine to refuse money.obviously fighting against a new different audience every month is not going to work but if I direct my money elsewhere then maybe it will work out
>>97723515What?
>>97723417This website seems broken.
>>97723521We'd have to see your decklist to see if its accurate or not.
>>97723527It's just your basic turn 2 infinite. Low bracket 1 at best.
>>97723531No. It intentionally has zero "infinite" combos. Strictly bracket 2.>>97723527Sure. I have a rather long write up about it too.https://moxfield.com/decks/PTpSs4XkTEq9OjiS-ev2Jg
>>97723503You're a grown ass man too (presumably) and yet you cant accept that shitty mtg ip doesnt sell, its purported fans proxy the hell out of it, and UB keeps mtg and hasbro humming along, sorry not sorry for the truth nuke btw
>>97723555>you cant accept that shitty mtg ip doesnt sellSeemed to do alright for 30 years.
>>97723555>game is better because it's selling more than evernotto desu shitto agen
>>97723564"Why isnt fortnite begging us for a collab" is all you need to ask yourself as to whether mtg ip is actually "alright"
>>97723549give me the write up. i want to play it in game night today with the pod.
>>97723549What the fuck am I looking at? I have so many questions but I think it's best to hear your explaination.
>>97723549>Sensei's>Null rod>Bloom tender >Badger mole>Bill>So many other incredibly powerful cardsAnon, to say this is a "strictly bracket 2" is incredibly disingenuous.Site is incorrect, this isn't a 5, but it sure as fuck isn't a 2 either
>>9772354910/10 deck
>>97723615>>97723618Sure, I'm making shitty youtube channel with my shitbrews and I have a whole script written up for four or five decks, including this one, but I can give you guys a tl;dr.There are a few goals with this deck. First, math. You will need to do math, a lot of very bullshit finicky math that involves stacking triggers. I think the best way to keep track are a few calculators or an excel sheet on your phone or laptop for everyone's sake. Play your mossy boy, cast scapeshift, add token doublers and bristly bill, bring back your lands with aftermath analyst, make legitimately a quadrillion noninfinite +1/+1 counters. So many that when someone says they're alpha striking with a billion/billion creature from their combo you trample over that bitch in a distinctly noninfinite way.Second, I wanted to make a deck without mana rocks. So I didnt run any. And I wanted to make a 5c deck, but I hate mana fixing, so I made a primarily green manabase for easy fixing. Then I smoothed out all the devotion of everything and play tested it until you have so that the deck is still efficient. Finally, there are no combos. Zero. No gamechangers. No land hate or denial or whatever, just as good solidly constructed deck within the requirements of bracket 2, but I could give a fuck about any of that, it was just a restriction.>>97723669Wut? I dont want to bicker, but none of those are on the list, unless there is a new list I dont know about.>>97723680Thanks anon.
>>97723549>almost FOUR THOUSAND dollars>bracket 2lmao noI don't even care that most of that is from the fucking true duals you've put in there, that deck does not belong at a B2 table.
>>97723607They did a fortnite secret lair though?
>>97723693That's just like your opinion, man. Is there a price limit I should know about?
>>97723695Clearly i meant mtg characters appearing in fornite and you got beaten by the chinese on that, mtg is just sad at this point
>>97723701There is a common sense limit. Lets say there's a pod with a bunch of noobs that have just gotten themselves a few precons and just sleeved them, they're excited to play (for argument's sake, lets say they all bought a FF precon each, somehow they were still on the shelves of your lgs). You sit down at that table, the quintessential bracket 2 table. Do you expect anyone at that table to have a good time? No, you fucking don't. You will run them over so fast and so brutally they'll never come back. That deck is not a bracket 2 deck.
>>97723701It's not a price limit but a "roll my eyes at the autistic person" limit
>>97723714>fortnite begs to be on MtG>WoTC doesn't care about being in fortnite with stupid shit like chinamangame#33It's easy to tell which is better anon
>>97723724So, no there isnt a price limit? Some people find anything fun, it cant be predicted, so it's not my concern.>>97723728Feel free to roll them, we playing magic.
>>97723730>wotc doesnt care about the advertising and the moneyHoly cope
>>97723735>we playing magicNot at my bracket 2 table if you're bringing that deck we're not.
>>97723737>pay money to advertise in MtG>MtG doesn't waste money on fortniteYes
>>97723688>Wut? I dont want to bicker, but none of those are on the list, unless there is a new list I dont know about.What bracket your in doesn't rely soley on game changers anon.
>>97723743Why is it your table? What's wrong with the deck other than the price? No matter I have lots of decks, a couple follow the banlist or whatever, I dont think it'll make a difference.>>97723760Yeah, no mld or infinite combos or whatever. I read the rules.
>Responding to this bait still
if you're looking for more reanimator spells then you're welcome
>>97723763>can't into the intention of brackets>only sees hard set rulesYou're gay and retarded
>>97723735>Feel free to roll them, we playing magic.I'd play with you i just wouldnt be able to stop rolling my eyes because a bracket 2 deck is a prius and i wouldnt bling a prius with duals, proxy or not
>>97723779No, just autistic, but this appears to be a sore point for some reason so I'll leave you alone.>>97723768Yeah, my bad. I was mostly confused.
>>97723789I like to think of it like a honda fit, and you can swap the duals for shocks without losing very much gas. I just thought it was fun to brew on that space, I have a couple other decks with the same sort of restrictions.
>falling for this much bait
>>97723772Has been powercrept
>>97723834sidegrade since it does check for the sacrificed creature's power for reanimatingstill a good card though
>>97723607Yeah you’ve done this routine before. You seem to think IP crossovers are a situation where a smaller company begs a bigger company to borrow their IP.Last time I remember you doing this you literally said Square Enix was worth more than Hasbro, and when you got shown the numbers and found out that Hasbro is several times larger than Sqenix you got all embarrassed and stopped posting. I see it wore off
>>97723850I'm not who you think i am but epic games market cap > hasbro market cap fyi
>>97723861>im not who you think I am I just happen to have exactly the same oddly-soecific retard understanding of IP licensing deals!!!!
>>97723894You can think of me however you want but yeah epic > hasbro, concession accepted
My wincon is bring the lifepoints of my opponents to zero.
>>97723834This is way worse anon, not a bad card but can't swap a squirrel token for a Razaketh
>>97723688would you happen to have the spreadsheet around, or do you use the calc?
>>97723998I usually make a formula depending on the steps, and because you can stack triggers in a variety of ways if you're insane, but I'll make up one for you real quick. No worries, give me like 20 mins, I'm just jazzed someone wants to play my deck.
>>97723701Let me ask you the question that anyone trying to build a nonprecon 2. Do you really expect to ever lose to an unmodified precon? Do you think your optimizes 5c landbase will not be twice as fast if not more to a precons tapped lands?Do you expect 70 dollar modern precons can keep up with your 4000 dollar deck filled with non-gamechanger staples and meta cards from other formats?
>>97719393When the people making the cards now look like this, what do you expect?
>>97724190Me on the bottom left
>>97724190>all black but no duragSad
>>97724262Hmm this gives me an idea for a custom card.I know it's Aran, but she has blonde hair and blue eyes.
>>97723730>Hasbro is too high brow to be associated with fortniteActual copium lmao
>>97724402It should be Aryan then.
>>97724417Oops. Fixed.
>>97724417>Hybrid
>>97724420Good point. Fixed again.
>year of our Lord two-thousand and twenty-six anno domini>still no Mortal Kombat set
>>97724402samus ayyyyyyyylmao
>>97723998Ah fuck, I cant make the spreadsheet. Like I can do everything but as soon as hardened scales gets involved I cant make a macro that will handle every situation. After if statements and conditional formatting I'm out of my league. What I'd do is just build the formula in excel so you can change it, but you can so this on a calculator much easier than the excel sheet is to program. I have let you down.>>97724139I dont care? Put good lands in your precon, and good cards in your deck while you're at it. I can make a budget decks as good as anyone, but since there isnt a budget it doesnt matter.
>>97724436Would be neat to see a scorpion character that deals 2 damage to target creature, then pulls them from their side of the battlefield to yours under your control.
>>97724436WOOLAY
let's start speculating custom cards endlessly again. that's always fun because it pisses off boomersI will cook something up for the start of next thread for maximum effect
>>97724492I'm pretty sure there will be a NieR:Automata™ set.
>>97724436WB just got bought by Paramount and I can 100% assure you the latter wants a return of investment ASAP
>>97724498I'd be pretty surprised but a it would be a welcome one
>>97724492Anon, Salt SowerUBLegendary Creature - Avatar CowardMyriad, FlyingWhen Anon enters the battlefield, fateseal 1 and you gain a troll counter. When Anon dies, lose equal to the number of troll counters you have."But I thought it was good." - Last words of a faggot.6/6
>>97724446make the spreadsheet always assume the optimal order of replacement effects (plus-ones before doublers) and add a column of all those effects with checkmarks, or just have "number of doublers" and "number of additional" next to numeric boxes, then include those numbers in the formula.assuming you're entering the starting number, when mossborn or kalonian or whatever your doubler is trigger your calc is (starting number + total flat additional) * 2^total doublers, and your totals are either COUNTIFs or just the reference to the cell with the total numbers.
>>97724498Nier as a xim/xer? Wotc would be honored
>>97724436Can't wait for the reprint
>>977244021. That misspelling is misspelt.2. Creature type should be something like Human Bird Warrior.3. If that's charge beam, great, but have you considered any of the other beams or missiles?4. 2/5 is about right these days.5. If the last one is Zero Lazer, then she needs to transform into Zero Suit Samus at the end of the ability.
>>97724561this man has only played smash bros
>>97724558If the flavor text doesn't contain TEST YOUR MIGHT I might riot.
>>97724436What colors would the original character be?Johnny Cage>green blueKano>red white blackRaiden>white blue blackLiu Kang>greenScorpion>redSub-Zero>blueSonja>whiteGoro>red greenShang Tsung>wubrgI still want a Doom UB.
>>97724570>>97724561 or >>97724402 ? Because I'm >>97724561 and I've beaten about half of them. Metroid II you had to get the ice beam to beat the normal metroids in the true final area.
>>97724558>>97724574I fear this won't get a reprint in an MK set due to it being shit
>>97724561I couldn't fit everything Samus on there.Zero suit makes sense but I hate transform cards.
>>97724587I'm sure they could shoehorn it in as a removal spell in the inevitable commander tie-in.
>>97724531I did, but the problem is you can easily make a formula for hydra, unstable, kalonian hydra, and kudzu for any iterations. I even figured out how to add any number of additional stacks of an effect. But hardened scales across iterations? Fucking brain rape. I already was working with =IF($b$6, "yes),b10(b3+(b5*b4)),c7) for the multiplier toggle for multiple stacks with c7 being used if there is only a single stack (like kudzu and bill) but as I scaled hardened scales out, and suddenly there were multiple scaling if(AND)s with relative references, that's like a macro hell. I could just have a secondary toggle with references to the different cells with for the initial calculations if hardened scales is present, but holy fuck the iterations on top of that were making me want to die.
>>97724587>Partynope, they'll bring it back as "Roster" or something and will care about Warriors, Monks, Soldiers, Rebels, Barbarians, and Rogues
>>97724588If you're going to Zero Laser, you have to transform into Zero Suit Samus. That's the expectation of the playerbase.
>>97724562niice gen anon
ahh now THIS is Magic the Everything. you are welcome bros
>>97724600They'll just kill the ability word and spell it out in the rules text. Quan Chi is your cleric, Kano can be your rogue, Goro can be a warrior, and if Shang Tsung isn't a wizard I don't know what he is.
I eagerly await the inevitable elden ring set. Shall be devouring that slop.
>>97724597>>97724531I could do it with like sumifs and whatever but it's only a single iteration so I didnt nest it into a table for like actual data management. Maybe I could try that, the absolute references are what borked me, but I need a break to do real worl unfortunately.
>>97724590>>97724600They could just print a card with assist that destroys target creature and call it A Deadly Alliance.
I WILL eat the slop and I WILL force you to watch me eat it.
>>97724601Okay fuck it, I fixed it.
See how nice the thread is when it's about UB?I'm noticing.
>>97724666Good job, Satan.
>>97724600"Party" isnt copyrighted and DnD is owned by wotc anyway it'll come back when they want it to
>>97724672True, but it's about as far from the Deadly Alliance in Mortal Kombat as possible flavor-wise. The MOMENT that Quan Chi and Shang Tsung finish off (I think it was Raiden?) they IMMEDIATELY turn on each other.
I tap araumi targeting Gary in the graveyard, any responses?
>>97724689Quicken
>>97724695Assuming Quicken resolves, All is Dust.
>>97724581I agree with all of those, but Johnny Cage strikes me as a boros type with that ball crushing move.
Fire God Liu Kang (jeskai ofc) coming through...
I dislike how commander became a hugbox because it's the entry format instead of the exit format.
>>97724731Yeah he was the one I was most iffy about choosing. Boros works better I'd say.
What will his ability be? Also I assume he'd be Golgari since he had an army of the undead/revenants
>>97724750I'm doing my part. I gatekeep and severely judge and shame peoples decks.
>>97724757Is this Kratos?
>>97724750I do my part and tell casuals to stay in their B2 lane
Now that the dust has settled, this can come back, right?
>>97724853What's the problem with him again? Seems like lots of other ramp cards can get lands out just as fast or faster like Traverse the Outlands
>>97724853>>97724894Oh, two nonbasic lands. I see.
>>97724853If gavin isnt being obvious enough that this will be released eventually when iona and griselbrand are being discussed then let me asure you that it's just a matter of when, same with aeons torn>>97724894Sheldon didnt want green to do the thing even though it was the best at doing the thing
>>97724917Counterpoint, there are already multiple cards that do this.
>>97724943That's right
r&d has decided that putting two nonbasics on the battlefield is a 4-mana ability, but has never actually printed a card that does that. plus prime time is already a 6/6 trampler.
>>97724966Probably because it'll powercreep every explosive vegetation variant out there
>>97724526Kinda overpowered.
>>97725000Excellent digits, but it's insanely broken in 60 card, and does 12 damage to you on your first attack then 21 damage to you on the second attack, and 30 on the third attack.
>>97725042it does 3 damage to you on its first attack leaving you with 4 counters because etb on the stack, sac to sba, ltb on the stack. then 12, 21, 30, 39, etcit is funny.
People like to champion land destruction here but how do you actually win with it?
>>97725124I animate everyone's lands first
>>97725124As a tempo play with lots of mana rocks out, or as a finisher with something on board that will destroy the table but survives.
>>97724943Green can shit out creatures way easier than spells
>>97724949>>97724943Neither can be blinked. Blinking Primetime is stupid beyond belief.
>>97725200blinking primetime isnt that busted when you start comparing it to the other things you can do in B3 (relax it will be a GC it wont touch your B2 pod)
>>97725124I had to sideboard this card because 2 dinks in my pod built pic related and optimized the fuck out of it.
>>97725260wish sideboard but it's only dingus egg, magnetic mine, psychogenic probe, etc
>>97725124My win condition is making the game unplayable for everyone else.
>>97725377I've fought these kind of players before. Boardwipe tribal. It works pretty well.
playing on MTGO trying to keep my main deck a bracket 3. the game changer list is so gay. chrome mox should not be a game changer. so now I have to choose between basic auto includes like chrome mox (a $2.5 tix/dollar card on MTGO) and more draw. My current 3 "game changers" are chrome mox, mana vault and rhystic study.my commander is 4rub so mana vault is useful but I wanted to put the One Ring in my deck (which is also only like $2.25 on MTGO). if I had more of these faggy "game changers" it will be a bracket 4 where I get curb stomped. I had to spend 11 bucks (really just traded a llanowar wastes for a red elemental blast) so strengthen the counter-counter offensive against shit like force of will and pact of negation. I have a serious counter spell package but no force of will because again "it's a game changer". so it's its either use my "GC" slots for counters and draw or move up a bracket and have to spend even more money which is stupid for digital cardboard. this commander is not fun to play against at lower bracket levels and I do generally like using all the asshole-tier stuff available in red blue black which is also gimped in lower brackets because countering everything in those brackets is poor sportsmanship. but in higher tiers its required. if I move it up to bracket 4 I can add in more stuff like vampiric tutor although, keep The One Ring and Rhystic Study (if either ever resolves) I dont have a copy of demonic tutor digitally though and I think its a requirement for higher tiers. thats one of the drawbacks of MTGO, its 1/20th the price of paper and you can play 24/7 without dealing with weirdos but for every break in price like Underground sea costing $12 or even Black Lotus being $42, fucking red elemental blast is $15. It's less than a $5 card IRL. force of will only being 12-15 tickets online is still a better deal than paper but paying more than 50¢ for counter spells is retarded.
>>97725574i think the question is why can't you let go of game changers entirely and just play at bracket 2 where you belong
>>97725590I love this anon. so vitriolic yet so right
I want to use this but I don't want to shuffle a lot. What deck should I build?
>>97725609Yup.>>97725574You seem to be upset cards cost money. Maybe try to improve?
>>97725590Getting my commander out on turn 4 or 5 generally wins the game for me and is unfun to play against in lower power levels.
>>97725625It’s rather that countering every counter is boring game play. Counters are useful tools but being like half the deck is stupid
i just want the bracket 3 decks disguised as lower to stay in their homogenous meta where they belong
>>97725646Bruh is this a serious question? They dont have free counterspells. No one is doing 4x force 4x daze, every single other counterspell is extremely telegraphed and counters are genuinely ass on edh unless they stop a game winning combo. Play silence or cavern of souls or some shit, think about it.
Any secret tech for this big boy?
>>97725636>too proud to play at bracket 2>too pussy to commit to cedhyou're going to have to learn to accept restrictions then, sorry to say but the world doesn't revolve around you and that as much as you hate to admit this gavin has final say on what is a GC or not
>>97725666well I didnt just recently add a cavern of souls. I hadn't played much since 2018 until last week so ive been coming up to speed. I had no idea what the fuck game changers were so my 2018 deck was "technically" a bracket 3 because it had a chrome mox even though it had no other "game changers". so building around these arbitrary rules made by tranny retards at WOTC who have no business defining anything to do with commander. that said the brackets are completely unenforced in MTGO and there is no way to verify that decks are enforcing the "game changer" list rules unlike banned lists. -like returning to see my cheepnis green black pauper infect deck now has banned cards in it, from gitaxian probe- it was really just an outlet for all the stupid shitty cards I hated from scars of mirrodin. but theres nothing that says "chrome mox is 1 of 3 game changers for a bracket 3 deck". and its an arbitrary and gay list. smothering tithe shouldn't be on there either. rhystic study is more broken because the sheer volume of cards AND because blue already gets good draw. white doesnt get draw worth a shit. next they're going to add Land Tax saying its unfair to play land ramp in white unless you path to exile your own creature. but the point is having to change your deck list (which I craft them all from hand no net deck faggy shit) to include literally 15 counter spells including red elemental blast and pyro blast, gainsay, etc
>>97725719>mtgo sucks, the rantyou're preaching to the choir here
>>97725719The answer is almost everyone ignores it, and if people are ignoring it, just play as you always did. And if anyone is lecturing you about brackets or getting mad, mostly ignore them.
>>97725733what ignore the brackets? thats what I originally intended to do but half the game listings have brackets and half dont. so joining a game that says its b2 or b3 with something more powerful like people playing cedh decks against bracket 3. which is a good test every once in awhile but not a good matchupI also should have added all these complaining posts are about 1v1 commander. I almost never play 4v4. its all 1v1 40 life commander on MTGO
>>97725719
speaking of brackets, I got called a pubstomper yesterday but this is a perfectly fine budget bracket 2 right? it just swings sideways like any dino deckhttps://moxfield.com/decks/cypQLu7JRUeHt8yFQhBplw
>>97725763Dang, horrific.
>>97725765>sac shit>counterspells slopthis doesn't spark joy
>>97725765use the worldshaper precon against them and i guarantee that you'll still get called a pubstomper>yes your pod is that weak
>>97725765>edict tribal in bracket 2Deserves any hate it gets
>>97725887not only do all my opponents somehow have to wiff all their removal because the deck does pretty much nothing without him, but also they need to be stupid enough to play creatures in to it or it again does nothingor is it just that b2 people are incapable of sandbagging due to low iq?
>HELP GAVIN BLACK IS BEING MEAN AGAIN
>>97725887IT'S TYPAL!
>can't find my golgari grave troll anywherecommanders for this feel- sorry, don't know where that came from.is there a worse feeling? I haven't used it for anything for ages, but it'd be perfect for <random thing I decided to build>.
>>97725922>just dont play creatures on the no combo bracket
If they ban Rhystic Study, next thing you know they're going to ban Island. We can't let this happen!
>>97725611I think Gitrog is probably the best place for it
>>97725765>$229 deckYeah definitely bracket 2. Not budget though.
>>97726025they will never ban the favorite card of the godfather
>>97725765Very clearly a 3 anon
>>97726073care to elavorate?
>>97726035That's not budget?
>>97726094Budget to me is no more than $60.Like think about it as if you went up to a normie who's never played magic and asked them, "Hey would you want to spend $229 on a single deck of cards and play magic with me?"Of course, me being balls deep into magic, I don't have any decks less than $300, but still.
>>97726094I personally consider budget to be the price of a precon with a forgiveness range of 30. The landbase might suck a bit more, so run more basics.
>>97726107Insane. >>97726108Equally insane. There are three tiers of budget: around $100 for a random pile of cardboard with a wincon, under $500 for a playable deck that cut a few corners on expensive cards, and around $2k for a top flight comp deck that skipped a few RL cards. 60 or 70 bucks? You're going to have a bad time from a structural perspective and the list doesnt function.
>>97726107nta but if I built a deck when the cards are cheap seizes to be budget if a card goes up just beacause retards realise late that a card is good?
>>97726123I mean to be fair, 3 of my decks started out cheap then ended up being expensive over time just from the same thing. So that's a valid point.
Arguing about budget is pointless unless you seperate Lands//The Rest Of The Deck. You can have a $20 pile of jank that costs $400 after lands, or a $1200 sweaty deck that's absolutely shit because it's all basics and taps.
>>97726133Or if you build monocolour. Either or.
>>97725691Helix PinnacleNemata grove guardianJade mageAnything you can piss mana into
>>97726140Yeah. The manabase adds a huge dimension to budget discussions. And that's not even getting the philosophical autism of whether or not b2 should allow things like Shocks because its too sweaty, or if one shouldn't care about what mana base people use because tap lands are bs, etc etc.
>ask to use my bracket 3 deck on a bracket 2.5ish table just cus i haven't gotten to use it in a while>end up winning with a 3-card infinite on turn 4I felt pretty bad but i couldn't just basically assemble exodia and not use it.
>>97726150Wut.
>>97726158>>97725648
>>97726150>>97726133Oh look the tryhards are pretending that you need more than filter/checklands for 2-3c decks. Guess I'll just head out for a few hours cuz you can't reason with the mentally retarded
>>97726174I didn't do that, learn to read
>>97726216t: not staying in their lane
>>97726133Budget IS budget. If the deck is budget, then the manabase is budget because, and I know this is going to be hard for you to swallow, but the manabase is a part of the deck.
>>97726216Also wut. You dont need to play lots of colours, particularly if you want to save money, but if you are you absolutely shouldnt use shit lands.
>>97726241>>97726216Meant to click:>>97726208
how does NOBODY at my lgs have the fang alt art but 15 copies of the vanille
>>97726375I just noticed that I have three vanilles (nonfoil, foil, and foil widescreen somehow) and no fangs.
>>97726387I'm going crazy that they short printed Fang
I played emperor for the first time day.Was surprisingly fun.Thanks for reading my blog.
>>97726375I have a foil alt Fang come visit me
I feel like such a loser running the base version of one of my commanders but its cool alts or even just foils are so overpriced.
>>97726421it's neat if nobody knew it was happening and so can't optimize for it.now try the five-star gamemode or whatever it's called
>>97726443I'm judging you for using a shitty looking version when a sexy version exists btw
>>97726443Which commander was it? Do you like the base art better? If you like the base art better then that's all that matters.
>>97726452Same desu.>>97726467It's Sauron.I actually do enjoy the base artwork but i'd like to get the prerelease promo of it so it doesn't feel so pedestrian to use.
>>97726451I'll have to look into it. We might play it more since we usually have 6+ people so we might do emperor instead of 2 3 man pods.Though, I think one of the players didn't like it simply because he didn't get to be emperor so he might put up a fuss about it.
Should I replace scapeshift for crop rotation? Scapeshift bring me out the cabal coffers + Urborg combo, but costs 4. I'm running Life from the Loam to get all those lands back sometimes, but the 4 mana is a big chunk sometimes.
>>97726422a/s/l?
>>9772653118f london
>>97726511I am an expert at this. Scapeshift is not for those two lands, it's for 8 million landfall triggers and setting up lumra/aftermath analyst, or playing it with amulet of vigor.Crop rotation is fine, as are most tutors like reliquary knight or whatever, but a more detailed look at your list is required for specifics.
>>97726631I definitely don't use those cards. The only landfall I have is for Lotus Cobra and Avenger of Zendikar. Scapeshift is purely a holdover from when Primeval Titan was banned. With what you've said, I'm 99% sure Crop Rotation is going in.
>>97726694And deck.https://archidekt.com/decks/14378432/teneb_war_of_attrition
>>97726695Beautiful. Honestly, leave this deck as it is, it's a time capsule to a better epoch.But yeah you're at least 8 years out of date on tech. So many new things have been released almost your entire deck will need to be updated and that's a real shame because it has soul.
>>97726718I've been slowly updating it. I've lowered my mana curve from 4+ to 3.5 while still keeping the theme and battlecruiser type approach. I know I can really get that curve down to around 2 and go for a Protean Hulk combo, but I'm happy keeping it out of cEDH territory. The deck is my first EDH deck from 2010, so oldschool for sure.
>Someone gave me 50 dollars for a gift card from walmart>But I bought this dudes precon for 44 and some changeDid I fuck up? What am I in for?
>>97726748>Did I fuck up? No Bello is strong as shit.>What am I in for?Boredom
>>97726733I knew immediately by your card choices. Honestly I liked it like that a lot, I didnt want to ruin it, but I do know a million different ways to make your deck better.
>>97726774>but I do know a million different ways to make your deck better.I'd like to hear it. Especially if it keeps the deck's theme.>rely on creatures for ETB and exit battlefield triggers>tons of board wipes and removal so if your creatures get taken, you've already got the value>recursion>ramp, tutors and draw for consistency and speed>win through Vish Kal, Avenger, Teneb stealing creatures, Eerie Ultimatum, Yosei lock or Reveillark combosBack in the day the deck was really good against pretty much everything, just by being resilient and having answer for everything besides the stack to grind out a win.
>>97724949>>97724943The real advantage primetime has over these is green can more easily tutor/cheat out a creature than a sorcery and it's repeatable. I don't think prime time is off the table with how much they've taken off the banlist already but lands decks are already so cancer I won't lose sleep over it staying banned.
>>97726803Avenger is old hat. You know have shit like mossborn hydra, scythecat cub, and springheart nantuko on badgermole cub which is just insanely fucked up. Decks have transformed a bit, and people run way less interaction than they used to, and almost everyone is obsessed with little fiddly incremental value engines, so wraths and controlling the board tends to draw a lot of hate.Revillark is probably fine, but not fast, and it's in this weird tweener combo stage where bads will be upset that it exists at all but it isnt competitive. Vish Kal is neat, but now you have shit like Yawgmoth, Thran Physician and Elenda The Dusk Rose which dont do both functions, but are cheap and powerful combo enablers by comparison. Yawgmoth in particular is one of my favorites.With ETBs, honestly Kodama of the East Tree is just straight up better than avenger for a similiar role. Play a land, slam another card in your hand, scapeshift with it out, it gets crazy fast.I've gotta be up at 5am, but I can give you some specifics or a retool tomorrow if you'd like. Nice to see old players kicking around.
I'm trying to break her but even stuffed full of game changers and pushed cards she still feels low bracket 3. Is Italian Tifa just bad?
>>97726876I just put her in Jodah, The Unifier she does pretty good there.
>>97726807Yup. I still play him in my Azusa deck and can consistently get him out turn 3-4 most of the time. Damn right Zesty Elf is in there too ;)
>>97726841Avenger is mostly a defensive card. It puts a lot of blockers up after a board wipe, and if it sticks around it can be a win con. It also puts up a lot of bodies for Phyrexian Altar and Vish Kal. It also was a house with a Tooth and Nail entwined with Primeval Titan. I still feel like the deck needs something like that to give a real board presence mid to late game after a board wipe. The cards you mentioned are good, but they don't go wide which is what I am wanting. I feel like I need one card that can do that. I have Yawgmoth, but it's really more of a value engine like you said. Elandra is nice, I'll look into that. I guess with Vish I just like having a sac outlet for my combos and having a big flying lifelink creature to get me back in the game or win. Instant removal on a stick is just gravy. Yeah goodnight bro. I've been playing since the mid 90s.
>Constantly have to explain to people what the legendary rule is.Most of the time it isn't even to new players.
>>97726094No. Budget is 1-2 hundred >>97726107>>97726108Larps
>>97726478Your post made me learn that mono black Sauron exists and hes actually pretty cool. Kinda sucks hes 5 mana and an attack trigger in black but I still think its a neat card.
What is the most overrated Green Card and why is it The Great Henge?>only comes out cheap if you have a big creature, so a win more>only gives you mana and life, which is a win more>only sometimes gives you another card which is a win moreI just don't get it.
>>97727049>What is the most overrated Green CardPrime time
I did some optimizations since last time I posted this deck. Tell me what you guys think. It also has all the accurate printings nowon mox. Saltscore gives it a power level 8 so idk what else I can do other than buying demonic tutor and replacing entish restoration.https://moxfield.com/decks/wuyKNdh1mEyRHI64U-e33w
>>97727057People scared of prime time while rhystic runs free are funny
>>97727077Landfall doesn't need more help, it needs less.
>>97727091Rhystic should still be banned.
the price of the clue box almost used to be like 30 on amazon, now it's 60, did something happen?
>>97727104Yeah. Time.
>>97727102pay the one, timmy, and tell your dipshit friend tommy to do it too
>>97727179Draw if you dare, bitch.
>>97726975Never have to do that thankfully. Instead I have to tell people that protection or hexproof don't protect from whatever boardwipe is being used.
>>97727189I have forty whole healtheridoos my nigga
>>97727024I love playing Bad Yu-Gi-Oh and did so for cheap.Once you have the deck, you can upgrade it with the more expensive stuff as you go along.
>>97727208Please tell my friends that. Please convince them that 40 life is a fuckton and they can stop being gigantic fucking pussies. They get scared at shit like this out on the table and immediately blow removal on it. None of them play stuff like Phyrexian Arena or any other "pay life for a huge bonus" stuff. I showed them Hatred and they thought it was one of the worst cards in all of Magic
>>97727331God I've wanted to build her for so SO long, now. She used to be kinda shit but we have so many "flood the board with facedown shit" nowadays with disguise/manifest/cloak/etc. There's no way you're not drawing like 10 fucking cards every turn
>>97727380I should honestly include more draw payoffs between her and They Came from the Pipes. I cheated this out once and was getting 6 cards between turns while having telegraphed counterspells on the board and pilfered blockers.
>>97727541What plane does this little dude come from?
>>97727571Tarkir
>>97727541One of the main reasons I haven't pulled the trigger is because there's just not enough good mass card draw payoff like these. And too many are stuck behind "second card only" clauses.
>>97727618Teferi can get people out of games.
>>97727975>>97727975>>97727975
>>97721547>>97721689>>97721749>"I MAKE NEW CAT"
