The Wild Hunt Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread: >>97911473>Thread Question:If you could add 1 unit/character to your armies roster, what would it be and why? If you could remove 1 unit/character, which would it be and why?
Somewhat related to the tq, but genuinely does anyone like a single character from wood elves? I dont think anyone even likes Orion, and the fairy bitch would genuinely be better off in that one rat fucks stomach. I dont even hate her because of her old model, I genuinely dont like the concept of her. The wild hunt also would be cool if it was just completely divorced from being tied to Orion too while im on my rant. Man what a fucking weird army. Anyways to add to wood elves, Idk something interesting. Add some enslaved lizardmen or something to stand out there.
>>97921220Ariel is kino I will not have you slandering her name like that.
>>97921220KerillianI also like their vibe and visual
>>97921220I like all wood elf characters lore wise, but rules wise they feel kinda weak, wood elves could use some stag knights, or a tamed beast of some kind
Bros…Kislev soon right?
>>97921360right after the 3 days special military operation
>>97921220There are no interesting elf characters period
>>97921220Sure, Alarielle in AoS has one of the best minis of all time. >Anyways to add to wood elves, Idk something interesting. Add some enslaved lizardmen or something to stand out there.Yeah, what you want is Sylvaneth. You'd never admit it because it's icky AoS and not in the cool hype and aura video game, but that's what you want.
>>97921382never been a factor, which is already illogical given that regardless of the outcome of the war it's not like Russia's reputation will suddenly be rejuvenated and any perceived controversy of a 'Russian' themed faction would just go out the window.
>>97921220Drycha is based, pussy ass.
>>97921451Anything related to Russia will be controversial anon. The latest metro game is already being blasted for being idly political.
>>97921451So it's safe to say that kislev will never be released.Based!
>>97921208Wood Elves, the Elves GW hates so much for not being High Elves, that they literally removed them and left only the woods.
>>97921220I do like Orion. I want him back.
>>97921451The whole thing is dumb because Kislev is an amalgam of Slavic themes, not Russian specifically.
>>97921530yeah it's like saying the Empire is controversial because of its imperialistic german themes and iron crosses being associated with the Nazis, medieval Russia has practically nothing to do with Putin's regime.
>>97921530It's all Russian to me
>>97921530as far as the wider world is concerned, all slav shit is russian shit
As a lover of ancient history and all things spooky, I've decided I want to start a Greco-Roman themed Tomb Kings army. I already have some VC I can lean into. Any anons got cool resources or suggestions? So far I'm thinkingUsing my 6th ed Lahmia vamp as a Liche Priestess or Tomb QueenAlready have WGA skeletonsMaybe zombie or stone minotaurs as UshabtiPotentially some Dark Elf stuff kitbashed for Medusa vibes. I feel like Harpies have some potential but not sure as what.Dark Art Studios have Roman legion skellies I could use as Tomb GuardAny more ideas?
>>97921515Anon he’s available to purchase. He’s right there. He’s kinda dogshit mechanically but you can buy his metal model.
>>97921550I want his 4th Edition model. The current one looks like shit. My brother sold mine behind my back while I was living away.And let's talk about how that shitty Woodeth army was literally ruled by a High Elves character GWE made to strip Wood Elves of their identity.GW has only a favorite Elves faction when they are not busy having a hard-on for Archon, and they always show it.
>>97921220I don't think you understand, care for or even remotely like anything about the wood elves.
>>97921547perhaps once but the war has actually brought Ukraine into the spotlight as a distinct slavic entity whereas no one ever gave it a second thought before.
>>97921561I don’t like gws take on wood elves and I’m pretty sure most people don’t either.
>>97921566witcher babby?
>>97921554You say strip I say enhance. It’s a proper fairy tale army. Personally I’d shave the human attributes of the faces away to make them faceless to completely solidify that aesthetic in a more flexible sense, but that’s me. but yeah gw does love their high elves.
>>97921220Warhammer wood elf characters are weird, as GW tremendously cut down their heroes and lords.Bring back Scarloc, he's a cool guy.
>>97921566there's not a lot to like in the first place, they are literally the worst elves in Tolkien's mythos. The only good take on them are Bosmer in TES since the green pact and cannibalism actually make them interesting also the snu-snu and implied ss
>>97921590sure. scoiatel in general are a fun sort for dark fantasy. Bit edgy, but that's just elves nowadays for you.
>>97921565No one could name a single distinct Ukrainian thing except the Azov brigade
>>97921595God if only their models looked like that instead of hillbillies wearing twigs.
>>97921220Wood elves have characters besides orion?
>>97921665There's that guy with the plastic model who really should just be a generic noble but isn't
I'm starting to really dislike WFRP 4E. It's already quite bad that the books focus on downtime "Endeavours" to the point of filling out entire pages of filler with 1-2 paragraphs of actually useful content (basically cut down event tables), rather than help you run a proper game of any kind, but then they keep on shoving in tidbits like "If the Characters find the courage to assume a progressive stance, they can use their new platform to enact lasting, positive change".The tone is all off and too little is of actual use. Maybe I should just go back to 2E.
>>97921680I just looked through the entire book for "progressive" and can't find that line anywhere.Anon, are we baiting again?
>>97921701Ah okay, found it.Archives of the Empire - Volume III.
>>97921671Ironically the model has been a generic noble for most of its lifespan
>>97921701Nah, was just reading for ideas yesterday and came across it. >>97921703Yeah it's with the printing press page. 2-3 events there and lots of filler. It's starting to get on my nerves with the write-only crap.
>>97921549Oathmark revenant infantry for grave guard? You could also buy Victrix hoplite heads separately and use them. Wargames Atlantic skellies have some hoplite heads and their skeleton cavalry has some muscle cuirasses.
>>97921831EW
>>97921835Yeah, I have been checking the word "progressive" for 2e books.
>>97921549Conquest athanatoi/varangian guard dual kit for ushabti. I built these as Varangians, but you can have them with facemasks and without the fur cloaks. The old Dominion range from para bellum also had undead minotaurs, but those might get too big for whfb due to the wonky 38mm scale.
>>97921831>they'd allow foreigners near the gunnery schoolsDoubt.jpg.tiff
>>97921703LMAO
>>97921860Isn't the Gunnery school in Altdorf?
wow, you guys will really bitch about anything
>>97921880No, the Imperial Gunnery School is in Nuln.It's practically the main reason Nuln is relevant.You're probably thinking of the Univeristy of Altdorf.
>>97921920Rich coming from someone bitching about bitching.
>>97921958No, I was thinking of the Imperial School of Engineers, that's the one that Leonardo da Miragliano founded in Altdorf
>>97921671He looks like a guy who's screaming at a bird that just stole his salad
>>97921962you got me there
>>97921831Empire lore feels like such an afterthought and it is literally 'everything happens in Altdorf and Nuln' and everywhere else gets nothing. Even then it still makes no sense because Altdorf has to have the college of engineering even though Nuln is the biggest engineering centre. It really wouldn't have killed them to spread things out, even the colleges of magic would have been cooler in Talabheim.
>>97922268>'everything happens in Altdorf and Nuln'Middenheim as well but yeah, outside of these three cities, the rest of the empire gets ignored
>>97922268>>97922397leddem city folk have therr fancy schools and titles im ‘appy erdin me sheep and nursin me warm mug o’ ale in me stir
I just said fuck it & super glued the dam shut this time- held up well & will just worry about scraping the glue off later
>>97922454I'm not sure whether I like this guy's maps or not
>>97922397it also doesn't make much sense in retrospective because Altdorf wasnt't the capital until after the Great War and Magnus had no connection to the city so why would Teclis pick Altdorf for the colleges specially seeing as the Church of Sigmar doesn't like magic.
>>97922497That is pretty well explained in WFRP1.) It's on a major leyline, so it's easier to train wizards on it2.) If the collages went really badly, it would be far enough away from Magnus that he wouldn't be in either imminent danger or get his capital blown up3.) The location close to the Sigmarite church is on purpos,e as it also allows them and the Witch Hunter to closely observe the collages for Chaos Corruption and Necromancy
>TQAdd for beastmen:Core - Raven swarm ~40ptsM1 WS4 BS1 S2 T1 W5 I3 A5 Ld5Flying(8), move through cover, scout, immune to psych, loner, skirmish, Fear, Unbreakable Remove:Regular chaos giant and chaos trolls. I don't think they are taken often enough to really matter which is why I put two, but they don't fit the theme of the army. At least the chaos spawns can be fluffed as just extremely fucked up beastmen.
>thought the Ninja Maneater was cool and am sad I’ll have to track one down second hand to get>there’s an Empire and Araby Maneater models too going through secondhand Maneater optionsDamn Maneaters are so cool. I’m mainly just window shopping for now but if James re-releases these models anytime soon I’m consooming.
>>97921549Olympic games statues as Ushabti. Like this one for the ranged ones and a wrestling power stance or the thinking man for melee. Colossus of Rhodes as a titan. All pretty easy to find on stl sites.
>>97922626Might as well buy them now from James if you wont even consider recasts.
>>97922650But James doesn’t sell those Maneaters anymore. Did you read the post right?
>>97922685But they do.
>>97922644Wait slight change, use thinking man as an ark of the covenant
>>97921549cyclops boner giant
>>97922695On a related topic.What would everyone like their army to get that acts similar to the herdstone and Casket of Souls? A stationary object that does something for the army, whether its a unit like casket or terrain like herd.As an example, a waystone for wood elves or Effigy of Gork and Mork kind of deal.
>>97921449You're embarrassing yourself again
>>97922717Guess the Dwarfs could get a big Runestone-like thing, WoC Chaos Shrine, IDK what you would give the Empire or Brettonia, maybe just a big Cannon
>>97922759Dwarfs have the Anvil of Doom already, though its a character choice for some reason
>>97921220Fuck their characters, I want to see Waywatchers in cloth armor and brigandine again instead of wearing twigs like retards. Also, I fucking despise the half-masks they CADslopped on every nu-glade guard's face. I like WE but not enough to drop ~1k on secondhand classic metals to have them not look like total shit.
>>97922757The man's got a point. Well, except for that part about alarielle.
I think I’m just gonna have to settle with the fact that wood elves will always be boring as shit and that warhammers audience will want nothing but the most boring expectations for them that will forever keep them unpopular.
>>97921449you should probably just kill yourself
>>97922880They were fine when they got to be in End Times next to Real Elves :^)
>>97922880You say boring, but I think your idea of something being interesting is some needless betrayal of familiarity and expectations, aka what Warhammer is for and what people want out of it.The game for what you want is AoS.
that cursed city character was one of the better wood elf characters in recent years, and those centaur things from WHQ/Underworlds are cool as well
>>97922906>betrayal Can’t do that when the faction offers no promise to begin with, moment dark elves are introduced wood elves will literally never be touched up on again. Same case for tomb kings when vampire counts come back. You can keep making Settra and maybe even Arkhan relevant in tows timeline, hell you can even update the kits, people are still gonna fall out of them because vampire counts have that warhammer twist that makes them unique compared to something so utterly stagnant that are tomb kings.
>>97922945Vampire counts have no twist, they're the most basic rendition of gothic undead ever, they're popular because they're familiar, have a larger range and get better rules than the other undead.
>>97922945>moment dark elves are introduced wood elves will literally never be touched up on againif that was the case gw wouldn't be touching wood elves already because of high elvesyou're dumb
>>97922979I’ll get back to you on why you’re wrong after I’m done driving. >>97922996Who got a new character and a remade kit again for the old world? And who got…noth- oh yeah they got the dogshit 95 metals of some animals that costs like $110 or so instead. Yeah never mind.
Oh, and the RPGs. Both the elves got their own fantasy RPGs. At least the ones that apparently matter.
>>97923053>And who got…noth-I expect you to eat your hat live when yet another round of rumors comes true and you see wood elves getting releases.
Wood Elves had many characters when they got their first codex back, when Undead were a single Army. Alarielle didn't even exist; she was introduced afterward because it was a sin that Wood Elves had something High Elves hadn't, and so they split Isha in two, and the High got one who literally dismantled chaos champions if the cme closer enough. They were the better eleves, back then. The High Elves who grew up out of all the shit that makes them closeted Dark Elves. But then GW decided to first turn them into crazy hillibillies because muh Grimdark and then let them rot until a High Elves character is now literally controlling the woods. I am fucking tired of Silvaneth. At least Lumineth has something looking like High Elves. I want wardancers, Elves with bows, not woods cosplaying as what my army was. One treeman was enough. For fuck sake the only good wardancer miniature GW ever sculpted was for Warhammer Quest back in 1995.
>>97923059You mean their own splat books?Sure, it just took multiple editions and 40 years for the RPG writers to get to the elves
>>97923053>dogshit 95 metalsYou subhuman nigger. Get the fuck out of /wfg/ forever.
>>97923114Nta but no amount of fakegrog whining will convince me these are good sculpts, let alone ones worth paying $100+ for
>>97923314Are these the oldest models still being sold today by GW?
surely this winter?
>>97923314Wood elves had very few decent sculpts in general, let alone standout ones
>>97923317I thought the Maruder made Imperial Dwarf and Orge models would be older, might I might be wrong there
>>97923314>worth paying $100+ forNow this is completely justified. Fucking Bretonnia MTO pricing was literally just as expensive as the secondhand market, so much so that I sperged and bought a piecemeal 5e army out of spite to prove that point. Fuck nu-GW corpo-kikes. That said, you're still a faggot for bitching about hand-sculpted metals. Even the Beast Pack is pure sovl, look at how each little faggot elf imitates the fighting style of his companions.
>>97923337The 8e releases started going in the right direction. Less twig hobo and more elegant elves like you'd expect but it was just a portion of a mostly shit range.But they did have some good ones like the nobles and mages.
>>97923369Glad I'm not alone in hating the twig hobo shit. I would rather use the monopose archers than nu-Glade Guard, and the nu-Waywatchers and nu-Wardancers were a downgrade in every possible way over the old metals.
I've been working towards a Mino Blood Herd army and was originally planning only 1 weapon type in each unit.But it really looks like mixing is more effective but that leads to Motley Crew problemsI would give everyone shields so in theory I could have everyone fight with shields which negates a lot of the issue butHow does combat work if I attacked with 2x Great Weapons, 2x Hand?I don't think adding a Character in the mix would change anything because GW did FAQ the different armor save thing out of the game.
>>97923369The chick's face cracks me up every time
>>97923369I'd buy the top guy/girl/thing if he was sold separately>>97923576MYEH!
>>97923599poor wood spirit is probably getting raped on the regular by that disgusting man
>>97921220Does Durthu count?
>>97923621Durthu is lost. He's in AOS now. GW doesn't crossbreed their games. Which is in AOS, stay in AOS.
>>97921220I liked mecha suit drycha
>>97923643there are numerous units that are in both games
>>97923654And those will be progressively removed from one or the other.
>>97923389Not entirely sure your question here, but its just two dice pools. X dice for the HW, Y dice for the GW. They would also be on different initiatives anyway.
>>97923677Other than characters I think this will be for our benefit.
>>97923643Better not be true.
>>97923599>>97923620LMAO I just noticed the wood spirit. Why does it look like it's so distressed lmaoooooooo
>>97921220PRINCE OREON, LORD OF THE FORESTS OF THE SOUTHLANDS
>>97922035kek
>>97923643Tbf the character durthu doesn't exist in AoS.
>>97923760Wonder what James is up to. He didn't gives us a christmas greetings video last year.
Kislev is coming this year. I can feel it in the air.
>>97921220I liek tree hitler and wish she had gotten a special detachment/army for all forest spirits like she had in 6th.
>>97923643>>97923677GW could always make a model for dorthu for tow that is stylistically different from the aos kit if they wantedI doubt they would, unless again they make it part of a plastic treeman kit made for tow that's non-gay looking
>>97923893Why lie Jamal
>>97924000spirit of durthu =/= durthu
>>97923990Durthu having a specific model is from 8th ed, before Smegmar.>>97924000Technically not Durthu but treemen raised by Alarielle to be her bodyguards that she says are imbued with the essence of Durthu.
>>97924000this is not a unique character, moron. even the loretexts on this picture say that durthu was their ancestor.
>>97924004>>97924016>reads AoS loreHaha aight buddy
>>97921530The game's made by the English, anon. Anything slavic is Russian to them.
>>97924048>hates purely out of ignorancelow iq behaviour
>>97924070NTA but consooming AoS lore is faggot shit
>>97924070>>97924016>>97924004Got some prime AoS lore for you right here champ
>>97924087>still sperging out about the 1st edition "maps" that everyone, including AOS fans absolutely hateOkay.
>>97924087Mortuary Factory always got a chuckle out of me.
>>97924087oh man we dont hate gw enough
>>97923314>good modelsYes.>worth $100+Absolutely not.
>>97923643>>97923677From the sound of things squarebase rules are catching on for the legacy factions, so it's only a matter of time before people take it a step further & tell GW to fuck themselves again by adapting profiles for classic models like Durthu still locked in AoS
>>97924112Me too famalam I had to google "aos mortuary factory" to find it
>>97924134GW made me appreciate manufactures such as fireforge, perry, and victrix. Seriously the fireforge Japanese are great. Makes me want to do an army of them.
>>97924161>GW made me appreciate all the brands that ex-GW employees foundedno shit
>>97923599
>>97924182Fireforge and Victrix are ex-GW?
>>97924182Does Victrix have a lot of former GW hires?
>>97924154That’s one of the best parts of the Fantasy community. If this were AoS or especially 40k, you wouldn’t even find the average casual player that would be ok with you using “ legends/legacy “ rules let alone a whole comp rewrite. I guess that comes with the territory of Fantasy players being older and having spent more time in the hobby. We realize when GW makes a mistake, which they do often, we don’t have to wait for them to fix it or even accept their fixes if they aren’t sensible. Honestly the only thing I really need GW to do is to continue to sell the models for Fantasy, past that they aren’t all that necessary.
>>97924252dude SB and all legacy shit dies overnight the minute GW add those factions, and pretty much every community has done the same with patching shitty GW temp rules for squatted or pre-release armies barring the most tournament active like 40k. If the community really was how you describe they'd have never switched to TOW which was an obviously inferior ruleset at launch and stuck with 9th age, WAP or older editions.
>>97924087>>97924112
I bet that at some point GW will divorce AOS from Fantasy/TOW so completely that they fundamentally retcon the End Times and just go back to the Storm of Chaos canon. Because literally nothing that happens in ET actually has to happen for AOS to happen outside of certain characters still being around for the end of the world. Which all of them are immortal anyway, so it could be 1000 years after Karl's death for all it matters.
>>97924087>posts something awesome>HEH GOTCHAScoot along back to your video game, secondary.
>>97924513Except keeping everything canon is way easier for gw so they'll stick with the mess they've done to the end and move forward instead of through retcons.
>>97924306>9th agelol>WAPlmao, even>older editionsAre *also* GW rules. 8th sucked hard-core, 7th was tainted by blatant power-creep, 6th was good though and hey, guess which edition TOW shares a lot of its DNA with?
>>97923705>>97924525>abloobloobloo>waawaawaa You would recognise my fantasy models chud,Im just trolling anyway I own a bunch of AoS shit
>>97924306I like Armies of Arcana. Unfortunately no one else does.
>>97921220I'm more interested in the Eonir and hope that ToW and WFRP will explore them further. Warhammer elves are interesting because they have a bit of edge to them not being humanity's nanies or punching bags, but its exactly for that reason that a more mild and seemingly friendly (or rather diplomatic) elf faction is interesting and should be available as allies to other factions fighting chaos, skaven and beastmen.
>>97924637Thank you ChatGPT
>>979245727th edition rulebook with 6th edition army books and four models per rank is the true way to play.
>>97924658Fishing for reddit upvotes-tier reply.
>>97924691Yeah his reply really was just that inorganic huh.
>>97924637Outside of what they got in Archives of Empire vol. 1 and the Salzenmund books, I wouldn't expect much more for them in either WFRP or TOW.The Wood Elf AJ seem to explicitly ignore them, even though it was set in Laurlorn forest.
>>97924702Since we got a high elf book and a dwarf book I kinda expect them to release a wood elf book focusing on eonir, but I might be huffing copium. Would be cool if they made them playable in TWW3 with a new lord, focusing on diplomacy with the other factions to soak up enemy attacks for you while managing civil unrest between the three castes of people living in laurelorn.
>>97924738>I kinda expect them to release a wood elf book focusing on eonirThey wont because they dont matter. >TWW dogshitGod I wish the devs were capable of making a game nearly as good as their pre warhammer titles.
>>97924738C7 still need to release the core rulebook, Starter set, Marianburg and Wrecker point books for 5e before they announce anything else I would expect some Eonir stuff in the Wreckers point book, since it about the North West Corner of the Empire, and the Eonir do have a port they trade with the Dark Elves there.TWW is a game on its last legs. I wouldn't expect much after the End Times DLC if anything
>>97924751>They wont because they dont matter.They do matter for WFRP since the Eonir are the Wood Elves of WFRP(and TOWRPG), the Asrai aren't supported at all in that game, but yeah, they don't really matter outside of that
>>97924764>C7 still need to release the core rulebook, Starter set,You lost me. Is this some meme or are you refering to the 4.5E book that's coming? >TWW is a game on its last legs.Eh, it's still chugging along with new DLC. >>97924751Man, you're a whiny bitch.
>>97924778Yeah, it's just called 5e, the Dark Elf book Temple of Spite is a 5e book in the copyright, not a 4e book and the statlines in that book reflect the updated rules, but it seems pretty convertible to 4eSo 5e is getting a new starter set, which is about Ostland apparently
>>97924794Well shit, guess I'm behind on the news. I heard they're going to be releasing a new corebook with the updated rules but didn't expect a new fullblown edition. It would suck if they changed too much and made converting 2e stuff harder, or worse invalidate 4e books they released recently.
>>97924815Every time they talk about 5e Cubicle 7 stresses how convertible it is to 4e and how they don't want to make people's books redundant.Temple of Spite even references 4e books like the Dark Elf Cosair PDF or the HE player guide for use with Temple of Spite found a YouTube channel of a guy trying to work out some of the changes for 5e from the statlines trait and ability change shown in Temple of Spirehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0epzkdDZgk
>>97924252Meh, I think it's a case of necessity. Say gw suddenly legendsed half the aos armies I imagine you'd see community rules pop up. See for example the community points of 2015 when gw was too retarded to add that themselves.By the same account imagine if only one or two factions didn't come back to tow instead of like half (let's say lizardmen and daemons as an example), do you think the renegade rules would be as widely accepted as they? Necessity breeds this kind of community response imo. Not that I don't think tow's playerbase isn't on the whole more willing to sidestep gw than the mainline games are, but I think the difference is kind of overstated.
>>97924845We'll see if they keep those promises, also it's crazy they're reworking casting again. Also since they're releasing a dark elf book they have to release a wood elf one too, it only makes sense.
>>97924953>it only makes sense Your logic doesn’t add up.
>>97924953Yeah, it was weird 4e changed casting at least twice for no good reason since the Winds of Magic rules are perfectly usable, but maybe the core rulebook is just making them more line with that
>>97924981I think it was to buff t1 wizard by making early casting easier with willpower bonuses.
>>97924492I know it's a meme and AoS moved on and apparently it's better now whatever but genuinely how the fuck does "Mortuary Factory" even mean? Isn't a Mortuary a building in the middle of a graveyard or some shit? How did someone a) even write that and b) someone not immediately notice what a stupid fucking name it was? I know AoS was rushed but surely at least someone glanced over the books before publication.
>>97924513This will literally never happen
>>97924535>>97925050It would be as simple a retcon as >Mannfred von Carstein was appalled by what he saw in his scrying orb; [insert gay ET ritual events here]. He cast it shattering across the ground. "This will not come to pass," he thought. "I shall see to that myself."
>>97925094Okay but it still won't happen
>>97921565Ukrainians are just Russians cos playing as Europeans. They'll eventually get absorbed back as part of broader Russia and nobody will ever think of them again.
>>97924687That's a weird way to say 3rd edition, newfag
>>97924535How is it easier? Literally just, when they inevitably move the timeline for TOW back up to the reign of Karl Franz, re-establish Storm of Chaos as the story and then move forward from there. Archaon gets kicked in the dick by Grimgor, retreats north, and another major Chaos invasion doesn't happen til some indeterminate time in the future. World continues on.
>>97925043>I know AoS was rushed but surely at least someone glanced over the books before publication.If they did they must've skipped the maps. I'm also pretty sure some gw artist said that at the time they didn't have shit to work with beyond the models, so they were told to just come up with stuff.Anyway about the mortuary factory, I think it actually shows up in an early novel or something like that, it produces urns and shit like that.
>>97925272>it actually shows up in an early novelNo fucking way. That's amazing if true. The Mortuary Factory is still canon
>>97925257Why would they do that? They aren’t even going to move the timeline forward past the chaos invasion of praag or whatever it was called for old world (brain blanks out on Kislev and chaos, please understand), we’d be lucky if we even get to that event in 10 years which is how long it took for HH to enter the scouring from the, well, the Horus heresy. Mixing in Cathay also gives them time to, well, focus on not the old world.
>>97925296I don't think it will happen relatively soon, but I'm certain it will happen eventually. TOW is moving at a snail's pace but eventually they'll run out of shit to talk about in the time between Magnus and Karl.
>>97925319>eventually they'll run out of shit to talk about in the time between Magnus and Karl.Well that’s what Cathay is for.
>>97925289The Mortuary Factory is the only aspect of AoS worldbuilding that needs to carry over to The Last World reboot.
>>97925154Russians have been trying to erase them as a people and a culture for years but this last round of stupidity of grinding Russian young men in a pointless war has guaranteed Ukraine as an independent nation and a people. Just like Poland the more you try to kill civilians it just reinforces nationhood.
What would (you) prefer GW to prioritize for Old World?>new refreshes for old models>entirely new models>new factions>something else
>>97925482Kislev and then refreshing old models. So in order of priority.>Kislev>refresh very old kits>new models>new factions>something elseOnce Kislev is in the game we really don't need any more new factions for the foreseeable future. I would rather they bring back all Legacy factions first.
>>97925392>Just like Poland the more you try to kill civilians it just reinforces nationhood.That's only a comparison for the historically illiterate. Poland has existed since 966 AD. The idea of Poland as a state/people is older than than the vast majority of other European countries and nations. Ukraine meanwhile came into existence as a state in 1991 and the Ukrainian people didn't even consider themselves Ukrainian until the 19th century.
>>97925508I actually meant legacy by "new". But reasonable. What the fuck is taking so long to release Kislev? TOW seems to be moving at a glacial pace in general actually. When's the last time a new model was revealed? I swear the last new thing I saw was the new Tomb Kings.
>>97925508I kinda just want black people to get their own army just so that they dont worm their way into other factions.
>>97925508>2026-Kislev release with more bears than San Francisco's Castro District.>2027-Return Delfs with new sculpts for Morathi and Malekith... er Malerion.-Return Shreks, no new models-Return Vamps with 8th ed models. GW trying to keep you from using AOS models.>new Empire State Troops, even more bare feet.>2028-New Cathay release with Zhao Ming the Iron Dragon-Tigermen of Ind complete with Monkey King-new Wood Elf infantry>2029 -return rats, accepting Smegmar models as part of their release-return Lizards, Mazda on Zlaaq finally gets an official model.>2030-New Chaos Warrior models>2031-new Dorf infantry>2032-in 40k news, story developments in the coming 13th edition cause angry fan to burn down all of Nottingham, including GW HQ. /tg/ doesn't care and bitches about not getting new models in a timely manner.
>>97925597It's honestly so ironic that GW wants to cram in "POCs" where they don't belong but continue to pretend that Araby just doesn't exist.
>>97924104What does the mortuary factory manufacture, boss?
>>97921543When the war started, people were removing anything related to Pushkin, Gagarin, even TchaikovskyBasically anything related to Russian history just got connected to Putin in people's minds
>>97921543>it's like sayingWith the somewhat glaring caveat that the German militarism that would be associated with hasn't existed for 80 years whereas Putin is explicitly using 11th century east slavic history as a justification for his war.To make a long story short it's not like saying that at all.
>>979251542 more weeks!
>>97925597We can NEVER have Araby because Araby did something bad in canon 1000 years ago and Arabs can NEVER do ANYTHING wrong by Englanistan law, so now Araby doesn't exist at all. Yay diversity!
>>97925154>cosplaying as EuropeansThey're Cossack-Scythian mutts larping as Europeans, learn to racism properly pleb
>>97925597I would be on board with this for the same reason. I’ve been campaigning for an African space marine chapter for this same reason. So the space Vikings don’t have to be 1/3 black.
>>97925708And Russians are asiatic invaders and not European either. For these reasons Kislev should be built around the Poland.
>>97925482i want some more monsters and monstrous cavalry for my cathay. they played it a little too safe and went too heavy on basic human soldier types, especially with the 2nd wave.i want more fantasy in my fantasy, not historical simulator. give me dragons and kirins and fu dogs and moon birds and tiger warriors and shit.
>>97925815You’ll get order beastmen
>>97925597I've thought that we could have a Chaos tribes in the Southlands that act like sub-Saharan African tribes led by witch doctors with big tribal masks and such. Doing something like Voodoo as a main worship/magic practice. Instead of being broad and hulking like the northerners, they'd be freakishly tall and strong like those really tall tribes in Sudan. Built kinda like the blue Monstar from Space Jam. Hire cultural consultants and shit like they did for Cathay so we don't have a modern day Pygmy situation and I think it could be a really cool new way for Chaos to thrive in the south.And ya also make Araby a fucking faction.
>>97925767>the PolandNice try Pollack
>started painting before deep diving lore of the Karaks Is there a dwarf faction that uses green and gold as their colors?
>>97925230>LARPing as a grogThat aside I noticed that most bait posts in this thread don't end with a full stop.
>>97925767Can we all agree that Poland, Ukraine and Russia are barely civilised shitholes?Their people are all worthless; the best possible future for humanity involves glassing all of them and erasing their existence from all historical records.
>>97925948Karak Hirn seems pretty close. There's a post on Bugman's Brewery that goes over different Karaks and clans pretty well.
>>97925959Jew.
>>97925963Are nobles/thanes displaying his own colors on his warriors a thing for dwarfs? Right now I'm painting a handful for mordheim before painting more for a warband.
I found this PDF when looking for Von Carstein heraldry. It's not a book I've seen mentioned anywhere so I'm guessing it's some kind of fan compilation of the bloodlines and various colors and heraldry used.
>>97925980I'm not a particular stunty fan so I don't know know deep Dwarf lore. It was just a quick google search.
>>97925523>Poland has existed since 966 AD. The idea of Poland as a state/people is older than than the vast majority of other European countries and nationsLet me guess, you're polish/have polish ancestry?
>>97925959Aryan and Germanic
>>97925980If I recall right, regular Warriors are just dudes from the hold mobilized to defend it. They would have the colors of the hold represented on their shields and banners. Armored Dwarves like those in the Hammerers/Longbeard kit and Ironbreakers/Irondrakes kit who are more elite, proper soldiers would have the hold’s colors on their armor, and it would be reasonable to have the Thanes personal colors represented if they were sworn to his service.
>>97925605Araby, if executed well, would be so damn fun. I don't think that Arabian Nights exoticism stuff is even considered offensive, so it could work.
>>97925482My answer before would have been new factions, but this thread made me take a good, long look at the Wood Elf range, and now I sincerely think that WE players deserve a nice update. Some of those faces are grim.
>>97926109I think some Janissary type unit would be pretty cool too.
>>97925959Poland is one of the few countries on the planet that have yet to be muttified.
>>97925885It's way to easy to botch something like that and then it comes off as a racist caricature and the entire company gets savaged in the media. Best not to even attempt it.
We don’t need Araby, we need Kislev and then we need some non human factions. Or maybe African pygmies from the south lands
At some point this Kislev guy gets really fuckin annoying. Ivan your babushka needs you to toil the dead earth already for fucks sake.
>>97926135Araby doesn't need to be an army, most certainly not before Kislev, but GW shouldn't be taking it out of the background.
>>97926125German-Russian spitroasting noises
>>97926139The consequence of inviting TWW secondaries into our thread.
>>97925482New models. Cathay was a smash-hit, roll out Araby and Kislev.
>>97926139>Kislev guy>guy
>>97926163Speaking of which, I wonder how many east Germans today have great grandfather that fought in the Red Army, if you get my meaning.
Does anyone have this black and white drawing, I think it was from 80's White Dwarf, it was "What if Warhammer but SCIENCE FICTION?", with a knight shooting a stereotypical raygun. I had it and I can't seem to find it no matter how much googling I've done I don't know if I should ask here or /40kg/
>>97925972>Israel Is full of Russian, Ukrainian and Polack people>This faggot calls *me* a Jew for speaking against those degenerate nationalities Wow.
>>97926125>Yet to be muttified It's already full of poles, so I don't see how it could get worse.
>>97926240>brings up Israel without promptingJew.
>97926240Ask me how I know you’re the guy who wants Araby
40k taking up so much space and time is horrible. I've tried to get into that game, both playing and watching battle reports, and I genuinely do not understand the mentality a person has to have to enjoy it. Give me TOW content already GW you FUCKS
>>97926308Be grateful for 40ks you fuck, it’s the reason why it’s allowed tow to be a thing to begin with.
>>97926349You meant to say Lord of the Rings I assume.
>>97926349>>97926356I kneel to MESBG. But to love 40k today you must hate what she has become.
What are your honest, unfiltered expectations for this bad boy? Will the DEI stuff be as prevalent as in 4e?Should I stick to my 2e books or invest in the new edition?
>>97926421I don’t care. My play group has been burned by frp, we kinda have been messing around with Japanese ttrpgs instead.
>>97926421Blackwashing aside, I didn't like a lot of the mechanics in 4e.
>>97926421Mechanically 4E is mostly good and I prefer it to 2E, so I look forward to how they tweak the advantage and casting again I guess.DEI-wise, random black folk in the Empire are a bit weird (at least one of the starter set character is specified to be a child of a traveling merchant IIRC, haven't read those backstories in a while) but that's easily ignored since me and my group just assume 99% of humans NPCs are white unless it's stated they traveled from a different continent. I haven't looked into the ToW RPG much, so most egregious DEI stuff I see is the uptick in female Bret knights in the ToW tabletop game (albeit they're not a new thing in lore, they just hid their gender before aside from Repanse).Overall 2E is still perfectly functional, if you like it and have the books keep playing it. If you want to try out something new pirate the new edition and see if it's to your liking.
>>97925482I don't want any of those options. I want them to bring back old models and make new models in the style of those very same old models. Aesthetically, GW had something special going on from 1986-1997 and ever since then they've constantly strayed away from what made their models special.I guarantee you that these rumored new chaos warriors and knights are going to stink because they're going to be get another pointless iteration on the 2004 design.
>>97926464You’ll get new models in the new style, but silver lining you’ll also get MTO’s of the old models as well. So you can at least collect those when they come up.
>>97926464>"something else" is an option>"I don't want any of those options">proceeds to simply say something elseI don't disagree with the point on the minis, I think GW should bring back starters that are just a shit ton of simple but charming simple models (easy to assemble, paint and fill up on before you buy more detailed kits), but it's like you're trying to be a contrarian too hard.
>>97921208I saw these really cute chaos familiars on mini compare in the Old World warhammer section. Where can I find them?
>>97926464We already know any and all new designs / redesigns will comply with modern their modern aesthetic design.
>>97926440>>97926448>>97926462Thanks anons, I think i'll stick to 2e for now but in the future I might get the orcs splatbook for 4e
>>97926690Ebay. ~$12-15 ea
>>97926462Grail Knights, like spehs muhreens, are male ONLY, and that excludes even Repanse de Lyonesse, who is a Paladin KOTR. Women cannot become Grail Knights under any circumstances, and thus cannot become Questing Knights under any circumstances since they literally cannot ever sip from the Grail and thus would be excluded from the Questing Vow too. Women can become Knights Errant and full-fledged KOTR ONLY, and usually only if they hide their sex from their peers, though this is entirely because of Bretonnian social convention and not the Lady's decree, but to reiterate, a woman knight cannot ascend to Questing/Grail Knight status under any circumstances.TLDR NO GIRLS ALLOWED, trannies gtfo the fuck back to your sigshit cocksucker containment game and stay there. To the normal men interested in Bretonnia, I highly recommend 2e's Barony of the Damned campaign.
cathay peasent release when?30 models are just not enough
>>97926788Compare that to Custodes having like 1 week between the box and kits and we've had several filler weeks since then. Bizarre.
On the WHF sub I instantly downvote anything that has the TOW tag or is related to TOW, and instantly upvote anything related to 6th edition and older - in both cases the actual content of the post is irrelevant.
>>97926770Projecting faggot. YWNBAW
>>97926825You have to go back.
>>97926762Never said anything about Grail Knights and you just basically copy pasted some wiki lore section, who are you trying to bait with this.
>>97926798my empress....
>>97926109Arqaby would be too overpowered, they are already the best army in warmaster and arab armies have defeated any and all-comers from europe for a thousand years and continue to do so.
>>97926798Not bizarre, it is known that GW has a production capacity problem. All the factories are at full force printing 40k stuff. Old World really low on the priority list.
>>97926865It is you who has to go back to AoS and whatever other nu-GW slop you so readily consoom.
>>97925094I have suggested that before as a quick way to keep the end times books canonical in the sense that they are visions some people in the setting had amd keep in mind ahead of the real end timesbut I expanded on it with the idea of other actors aside from manfred starting the new end times with the same visions of the future, helped one way or another by the surge of a wind of magic>archaon (eye of sheerian) [dhar]>manfred (scrying) [shyish]>teclis (through lileath) [ghyran]>morathi (always saw the future) [aqshy]>belakor (demonic shenanigans) [ulgu]>luthor huss ("prophet" of sigmar) [azyr]>mazdamundi (woke up fully) [hysh]>wurrzag (great green "prophet") [ghur]>grombrindal (4th wall breaker) [chamon]and if we want we can add the dragon emperor and moon empress getting their own premonitions due to the yin and yang and have cathay as active participant
>>97924513Mhyea even then plenty of dead characters get brought back whenever GW wants to sell memberberries.The only thing that really needs to happen is chaos being the one to fuck everything up + slaanesh specifically being the one to eat the elves
How are Orge Kingdoms in TOW? Seems like a fun (and hungry) army to play?
>>97927112no.
>>97927115Oh. Why? Just annoying to play against?
>>97927116Everything is kinda bad pointswise. Monstrous infantry in general are just bad too. Historiclly though yeah they are annoying to play against.
>>97926207this one?
>>97927010I always found the character Archaon was ruined the moment BL made his origin a product of rape. I know it's grimdark and all that but seemed to take away some of the mystery behind the man. Also comes off as unecessary
Finished my map for me and my friend's narrative campaign. Anyone have any last recommended changes/tips before I get this thing printed?
>>97927302Eh, that part was fine, it gave him impetus for his angst and a blood connection to both the norf and the Empire. The actual part where he falls made me drop the novel immediately. First he "sneaks" into the Grand Theogonist's presence while soaked in shit from the sewer (literally, I am not making this up, it describes Sigmarites smelling him and gagging and literally everyone is staring at him while he tries to blend in, but this is played 100% straight and edgy), then he wins a 1v100 as a normal mortal, then he tanks a cannonball to the face, then a bunch of Chaos Warriors with wings fly in to deus ex machima him out of Altdorf. Just totally fucking retarded even for Warhams. Pure insanity. Also, the part about Sigmar ignoring his prayers literally just made no sense and was just the author being a mental middle schooler atheist. If anything he should've been struck by lightning or some shit.
>>97927308>KonradA crazy nigga lives there
>>97927308> Castle Fol> FolburgMaybe it's my German autism but those two names basically mean the same thing. For towns in medieval Germany, belonging to a castle/burg, suffixes like "-stadt" "-dorf" "-weiler" "-markt" were more common. >inb4 its fantasy
My group wants to try some of the other, not-TOW editions. Which ones should we try? If it helps at all the factions we generally play are WoC, Empire, Skaven, Greenskins and Beastmen. Also keep in mind we're mostly retarded zoomers.
>>97927350Yeah I know. But Folburg was already a canon town and I wanted to add a separate location called Castle Fol on the map.My lore explanation is that Folburg came first and then centuries later Castle Fol was build, when language had shifted somewhat.But thanks for pointing it out, my autism goes into overdrive too if I find stuff like that out after I've already printed it
>>97927380No worries! Just something that caught my eye since WHF naming conventions in the empire always give me a chuckle Your map is great btw!
>>97927308This is awesome, how did you make it?
>>97927403Thank you!>>97927476Inkarnate, it’s a map making software
>>97927121they are broken under square based rules and still good if you run thundertusks, sabrecats and any single entities.
>>97927365All are good in their own way. Have a look through the army books for the different armies and pick the edition with the ones that speak to you the most.
>>97927327Well fuck that makes it even worse. I knew bout the conceived by rape thing but that sounds appalling! Bad, bad writing. I also heard he tries to take his own life but Belakor keeps rewinding time. Is that true?
>>97927302>>97927327His whole story is fucking retarded, but the one truly offensive part is the pretence that by the end of it he is some kind of self-made-man totally in charge of his destiny and doing only what he wants with the plan of somehow bringing down the gods by doing exactly what they want, and him being right no less.He should be a darth vader-like figure, a mostly silent angry puppet tragically unable to do the right thing because he got broken by an evil mastermind.
>>97927652I think its a great example where BL can sometimes hurt a characters story than enhance it. Take Skarsnik for example, where his book added a host of characterisation and depth to him. Bloody tragedy.
>>97927327it was pretty obvious that it was the edgiest take they had on the Arthas story but just proved yet again why warcraft has infinitely more cultural relevance today than warhammer.
>>97927769>Skarsnik in a BL storyOh, holy shit you meant black library. Thank God.
>>97927606>tries to take his own life but Belakor keeps rewinding timeYes. It gets unintentionally comical. It's implied Belakor has rewound time like 1000 times to subtly influence events to keep this incompetent retard alive and on the life path he wants.
>>97927966...do fujos post amogus? I want to believe
>>979273654th6th3rd if your group is autistic
>>979273656th, there's a lot of resources for it both official and not. And if there are no waacfags in your group it' more or less balanced.
>>97924953i think a Chorf supplement is more likely since I randomly found art that has the Chaos Dwarf pirate from Dreadfleet in it
>>97928202No, none of us are faggots
>>97922692No they don't, the "Maneaters" kit they sell is Golgfag, Skrag, and just some generic Maneater guy. All the cool fun ones they don't sell anymore.
>>97928209>DreadfleetSovl>MoWSovl>Warhammer SiegeSovl>MordheimUber-based-ultra-sovl>VermintideOne of the best in the genre and full of WFB and Shadow of the Horned Rat references>TWWEven normalfag football tards like Shane Gillis love itI'm getting tired of winning bros
>>97928209Apparently the next big campaign they're doing is some big sea adventure I think going to Lustria, so it could well be just artwork from that book.
>>97927112If you don't play competitive faggots they are fine. I have been playing them in my local league and haven't lost yet, even against BS like dwarf gun line. You just got to make sure you get the charge, and you do that with sabretusks acting as annoying as fuck charge redirecters. Gnoblars are some of the best point for point objective/corner holders in the game.Can you compete with the most broken tournament faggotry? No. But why would you want to play fags like that anyway
>>97928250The one Gav Thorpe was rumoured to be writing?I'm not sure that one is going ahead. But I think in interviews they did say they're planning another almost TEW-sized capsign that is meant to be going to the east, with the startet set adventure leading into it.This artist also did a Bugman, Astrogoth and Ungrim artwork, so I don't really know what that means, but he plastered the C7 logo on, so it's official artwork that he was commissioned to make for Cubicle 7
>>97928274I think that one didn't get made but they're still doing a vaguely similar one, though I could also see them scrapping that and going East instead, with what they had for said adventure being reworked into the various Marienburg/Dark Elf books we've been getting.
>>97925981Mind sharing, anon?
>>97926109>I don't even think that Arabian Nights exoticism stuff is even considered offensiveYou have no idea how annoying Lebanese expats can be about that sort of thing
>>97928358>Lebanese expatsWho gives a tenth of a fuck
>>97928358I distinctly remember some clown on warseer arguing that the bretonnian crusades were problematic™, and that was way back in the early oughts, before the birth of slaanesh.
>>97928478>before the birth of slaaneshI was there, 12 years ago... the Five Greater Daemons at the Gates of Geimur...
>>97926109It would be more interesting if it borrowed from heroes 3 and quest for glory 2 rather than more historical Saudi Arabia.So no camels or elephants, give them saurus riders (tauntaun looking reptile) and kobold (hyena looking creatures) slaves, djinn, elemental constructs, roc as flyers, keep the carpets but make it a wizard mount. Another straight up human faction would be boring
If they want to do another human army they should do a steampunk byzantine inspired one.
>>97928611>steampunkNO
>>97928572Camels are non-negotiable, I'm sorry.
>>97928611>steampunkso the empire?
araby should be demon worshipping warlock kings leading slave armies. basically chaos dwarfs without the industrial angle and more evil mythological creatures instead. naked slave girls too
>>97928611
>>97928638Araby can never be evil because Arabs can never be evil, they are all inherently good and moral and portraying them as evil is le racist, m'kay?
>>97928700dunno, arabs have a terrible reputation in most societies I've encountered
>>97926294>>97928637>Acceptance is the final stage of grief where individuals come to terms with their loss and recognize that it is a permanent reality. In this stage, people often find a sense of calm and begin to adjust to life, understanding that while the pain may not completely go away, they can learn to live with it.
>>97928633Not exactly, it would be more about flame throwers and grenades and automatons, not cannons>>97928627Boring as fuck
>>97928638Not demons exactly, but maybe they are enslaved to a powerful evil djinn, in qfg2 it was called ibliss
>>97928724>flame throwers and grenades and automatonsWhat kind of automatons? Clay golems like from RuneScape's desert region? I'd be down
>>97927112They are pretty middle of the pack. They recently got a renegades rewrite too and that probably makes them even better. Lots of fun to play.
>>97928738Byzantines had mechanical animatronics basically, so would be a mix of this and magic to give them life
>>97928638>arabs that are evil because under the yoke of an evil sorcerer/djinn>arabs that are evil because they joined or are under the forces of chaos>arabs that are evil because they are agents of the nehekarans >arabs that are evil merely out of necessity to survive >arabs that are evil because they're greedy merchants/enslaversI think araby has enough space to allow all of these as possible subfactions
>>97928722Wrong thread
>>97928753>arabs that are evil because under the yoke of an evil sorcerer/djinnIs the canon reason behind their conquest of Estalia and the resulting Reconquista-Crusades that created the BPs. Some Arabyans are not evil and are benevolent, like Al-Muktar's Desert Dogs and Suliman le Saracen, they seem to represent "default" Araby without the influence of an evil ruler or Chaos.>arabs that are evil because they're greedy merchants/enslaversThis is what we got in the form of Jafar and Mydas the Mean.>arabs that are evil because they joined or are under the forces of chaos>arabs that are evil because they are agents of the nehekarans>arabs that are evil merely out of necessity to surviveThis we've not seen any of yet but could easily happen.
>>97928722Retard
>>97928722Its over for gays of smegmarBut that makes me worry they will eventually mash TOW and gayOS together into one fantasy setting
>>97928767I think they should rewrite Araby to be more like pre ww1 and ww1 style nomadic raiders but with worse tech. Have their society be structured around tribes and raiding to survive. Also integrate blood feuds heavily into their culture. It would be cool to see a human faction that isn’t civilized in the traditional sense, but is always on the move.
>>97928241i wish i could find this one in higher res. idk where it could be from.
>>97928874You could ask the artist, they might know
>>97928876its dave gallagher ofc, but he doesnt seem to remember anything from gw going by his social media lmao, or he misremembers things
>>97928886He was there for decades, so him not remembering certain details doesn't surprise me
>>97927606Is that armour on his chest textured or is it just chain mail?
>>97928694>Napoleonic snotlings
>>97929114Ah I see you play Russians.
>>97928956I am 99% sure it is textured plate. He had a crazy armour save back then so, no doubt its tough.>>97927966In a really, really interwoven convoluted way, there was a form of BL. Skarsnik genuinely loved Gobbla in a genuine, sweet way and vice versa.
made a fucky little duotang of this because it was falling apart, and lamination + binding was 115$ before labour costs
>>97929314You know what? Fair play. Its a bit of change but its nice to have something nostalgic like that. Wouldn't mind WHF skirmish myself.
>>97929314Kino, I love your squigs btw
How usable is this shit-list? And what should I spend 63 points on? I'm thinking about taking a bite-git - lone Night Goblin Oddgit with Itchy Nuisance, that will walk near the infantry to bite a charge or, if left alone, to try and place the spell. But I'm sure there should be a better option?POINTS: 1937 / 2000----+ Characters [796 pts] +Black Orc Warboss [240 pts] (Hand weapon, Great weapon, Full plate armour, General, War Boar, Talisman of Protection, Trollhide Trousers, 'Eadbuttin' 'At)Orc Bigboss [171 pts] (Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Shield, Battle Standard Bearer [Banner of Swirling Wind], War Boar, Trollhide Trousers)Orc Weirdnob [170 pts] (Hand weapon, Wizard [Level 3 Wizard], On foot, Lore Familiar, Battle Magic)Night Goblin Bigboss [55 pts] (Hand weapon, Giant Cave Squig)Night Goblin Bigboss [55 pts] (Hand weapon, Giant Cave Squig)Kiknik Toofsnatcha [105 pts] + Core Units [589 pts] +15 Black Orc Mob [252 pts] (formation: 4x4) (Weirdnob is here)(Hand weapons, Full plate armour, Veteran, 5x Shields, 5x Great weapons, Boss (champion), Standard bearer [Rampaging Banner])20 Night Goblin Mob [92 pts] (formation: 5x4) (Hand weapons, Shields, Boss (champion), 1x Fanatics)20 Night Goblin Mob [92 pts] (formation: 5x4) (Hand weapons, Shields, Boss (champion), 1x Fanatics)11 Goblin Wolf Rider Mob [153 pts] (formation: 6x2) (Kiknik is here)(Hand weapons, Shields, Cavalry spears, Reserve Move, Boss (champion), Standard bearer [Banner of the Wildz])+ Special Units [362 pts] +8 Orc Boar Boy Mob [236 pts] (formation: 5x2) (Warboss and Bigboss is here)(Hand weapons, Heavy armour, Shields, Big 'Uns, Boss (champion) [Obsidian Lodestone], Standard bearer [The Big Red Raggedy Flag])10 Night Goblin Squig Hopper Mob [126 pts] (Hand weapons, Boss (champion))+ Rare Units [190 pts] +Mangler Squigs [95 pts] Mangler Squigs [95 pts]
>>97928342https://www.scribd.com/document/594155917/VampireUniforrmsHeraldry
>>97929579I was about to chew you out for posting a compish list but I can see you only have 1 fanatic per unit of gobbos. This is a fine list. Very strong in a casual setting. It has the skeleton of the most competitive OnG lists.
>>97921208Is Cathay a cool faction? Afaik they're just Big E but he's Chinese and he has actual children and not pissy test tube babies.
>>97929649No, Cathay is very boring interpretation and execution of a Chinese but Warhammer faction
>>97929687Sad, what would you do to make them exciting? If they're as boring as i'm guessing, i guess just go full 40k mixed with Chinese history with them and make them into an insane clusterfuck where dragon kids just bulldoze cites full of people randomly becase it made their eyes hurt
>>97929726Not him but not having dogshit primarchs would be a start.
>>97929649Have you tried reading their fluff?
>>97929726checklist for making Cathay interesting:1. Only one dragon, the Emperor, who doesn't have a human form. 2. The people have to appease him by sending maidens to a forbidden palace.3. They don't dare anger him by having men deflower the maidens at the palace so only eunuchs are allowed in the palace4. Eunuchs are callous detached chuds who de facto rule in the emperor's stead and cause mayhem, even harbouring a tzeentchian cult.5. Great Bastion barely held together by a few heroic competent generals who have to negotiate court politics and try to avoid assassins (the many schools of assassins that inspired Eshin). 6. Cathayan magic is soul-based similar to the TK but they rip the souls out of living peasants for their magic, this leaves behind a jiangshi zombie.
>>97929314The fuck is wrong with your thumb?
>>97929853He's probably just skinny af
>>97929833This is retarded grimderp that only a 12 year old would think is cool.
>>97929833Posts like these make me thankful that GW doesn't look at this thread when seeking potential writing talent.
>>97929887you might be playing in the wrong setting anon, AoS is that way.
>>97929726I just don't particularly give a shit about fantasy China. It honestly doesn't feel like it occupies the same world as the Empire, Ulthuan, or Lustria. Too much magic just willy nilly everywhere. Same with Kislev where everything is enchanted with ice magic.
>>97930022>Too much magicTheir only magic is>alchemy golems>dragon-blooded super saiyansAnd maybe one generic wizard character, I think he's an alchemist or something? It's fine.
>>97929726>Sad, what would you do to make them exciting?Not quoted but honestly i'd just steal heavily from chinese webnovels.The emperor is either a great schemer and is therefore acting as if he's dying/uncaring/malevolent but is actually doing something big and cool. Or perhaps he, or the power behind the throne, genuinely doesn't care beyond the grain flowing upward, having enough soldiers and "luck" or "incense" or similar more abstract power from the provinces and therefore lets local governors, and petty warlord generals, get away with a lot in their corners of the empire so long as they see to that, which also lets you make those places more unique and have their own soldier heraldry, peasantry etc cause the imperial rule is really decentralized. (and if they start getting too powerful they'll probably be 'promoted' to a position in the capital where they can't order around their troops, this would also lead to rebellions)For wizards i'd use lesser 'cultivator' mortal type stuff like pill alchemists, talisman makers, gu cultivators with poisonous bugs etc. Either serving the empire or 'mercenary' types. Maybe add in a bit of lore about distinct sects, but probably keep it simple. In many webnovels they're just self-interest factions building power, not even necessarily about immortal cultivation, only some are ascetic and outside the imperial power structures.Similarly Jianghu thugs for the wuxia feel with a bit of warhammer grit to them, anything from regular criminal robbers to lone swordsmen. Add-in demons (wether corrupted by chaos or 'spirits') based off their myths based off like chiyou or various monsters derived from their myths and legends, of which there are frankly entire books about. Stuff like Nuwa, modern ones like White Snake, the Monkey King etc and more rad old Citadel weirdo type monsters from the Classic of Mountains and Seas. (like a snake with a dozen human heads)Pepper liberally with chaos influence as desired.
>>97929579Find a way to drop 2 points and throw in a brainbursta on a stick orc shaman for 65pts. Or does that go over your pt character limit?
>>97930184Or gaze of gork if that makes more sense for what you're fighting.
>>97930054There's floating mountains all over Cathay
>>97929853wdym>>979298686’ 145 lbs
This was one of the more awful threads.
>>97930672could have been much worse
>>97929926Usually posts about dragon fucking fetishism are the ones that get directed to AoS
>>97930739also /co/ from time to time >>>/co/153267584
I want to give my PCs a very hotly contested package. What kind of artifact or doodad would be if interest to a Temple of Sigmar, (wood) elves, and skaven?I was thinking a warrior priests' relic gorget with magic resistance granted by having elven crystals worked into it and the skaven and elves both want it to rip the crystals out. My knowledge of elves is pretty limited though.
>>97930672You say that literally every thread you doomwanker. Now guys talk me out of buying into Cathay. I am waiting for Kislev but Cathay calls to me ever stronger daily. And there's 1 more Defenders of the Bastion reinforcement set at my FLGS that does a 20% discount.
>>97930184No, it fits into the character limits, thanks
>>97930836could just be a relic that is associated with an elven god, and then later on became either used by Sigmar or a Sigmarite saint so it holy to them as well, and the skaven just want to despoil and ruin it since that's what they do.
>>97930885>Cathay calls to me ever stronger dailyI think you need a therapist.
>>97930972I don't believe in therapy.
>>97930885Cathay is better than the 1000% World of Queercraft the army of Ice YASSSS QWEENS will turn out to be. Also because Kislav is 'white' (lmao fuck slavs) GW will feel empowered to make half of your dudes black (which the Chinese sensitivity team forbid for Cathay- there will be no protection for the slavshits)So you might as well. It can only get worse.
>>97930443Pure lanklet tier. Terrifying
Do you guys make up your own banner designs or just take them from existing banner designs for your factions? I want to try my hand a banner for my skeletons.
>>97931075Cringe.
Did Ogre’s get any interesting narrative focus in campaign books or otherwise? Or were they “new” enough that they didn’t get much if anything?
>>97931141A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. Use traditional symbols sometimes, come up with your own designs when you feel like it, just remember to have fun with it. Any excuse to freehand something is a good excuse.
>>97931219I've never done freehand before and am not much of an artist otherwise so I guess it's time to learn how to draw. Maybe I can try sketching repeatedly at work.
>GW releases really cool uniforms and heraldry books>Only does the Empire, Skaven, and High ElvesIs this another instance of GW dropping something before it was done, like Thrones of Chaos, or did they just not do anything else with it? At a minimum they could have also done Dark Elves. Vampire Counts would have gone hard.
I FUCKING LOVE MY GOATS
>>97931432Are they good at the rapistry? >>97930972is looking for one to recommend.Looking pretty damn decent man
thanks to the anon a couple threads ago that taught me how magnets work i magnetized the linstock to my cannon base using a tiny nail head
>>97931219Love that no escape banner especially.>>97931432These look spiteful and cruel.>>97931460Are you the guy who does SOVL oldhammer displays?
>>97931460>taught me how magnets workhow the fuck do they work?
>>97931539NTA but it has something to do with the tides I think
>>97931452No rape for my goats, they're feminists <3
>>97927365They're all good. I'm very partial to 8th, as it's the most interactive edition (and I've got a small but awesome group of laid back opponents) but 6th and 7th are also good.Warhammer reinassance is a most elegant rendition of 4th and 5th combinedAnd 3rd edition is just old school wacky fun
Just finished working out, I will eat and then get back to reading Grudge Bearer by Gav Thorpe (spoiler it's kinda mid so far 1/4 of the way through)
>>97931561So they rape men?
>>97931626No, elves
>>97931647I see...
Would khorne affiliated Beastmen rape? Probably not. Nurgle ones maybe to spread disease. Slaanesh obviously. Tzeentch aligned too probably just because you wouldn’t expect them to want to rape.
>>97930443Holy shit nigga eat a fuckin burger or something
>reading through Border Prince unit fluff>the calvary page brings up “expert horse archers” from KislevEventually for sure right…..
>>97927365I think the most popular alternative is playing 7th with 6th edition army books and a house rule that you need four and not five models to get a rank bonus.
>>97930739who said he fucks the maidens? Dragons in most lore eat them, like Smaug in the Hobbit, you sick fuck.
>>97931897We already know from reliable rumor mongers that Kislev is coming. The only question is when and not if. I myself (with nothing to go off) would guess Q4 2026 or Q1 2027
>>97932133I'd probably agree but there's a lot of mixed messaging in the rumour community, similar to the Cathay launch, that suggests no one really knows anything concrete. Logically you'd think GW would want to use Kislev for a new edition launch but everyone swears there's no edition till 2028. Q1 2027 is probably the earliest they'd launch a new edition, even though it's actually quite a bad time to do it, which shows how little confidence they had in TOW at launch.
>>97931141As >>97931219 puts it, a bit of a mix. For my DoW I've taken the red and white stripes and roundel in the centre as a base, and then add whatever icon I feel like goes with the unit.If I add dwarfs to them, I may he tempted to mix traditional dwarven icons with "tilean" ones to reflect some dwarven clan thats settled in Pavona (since the city does have trade along the dwarf road, iirc)
>>97930885Kislev is lame. Cathay is cool.
>>97932352I love the cathay models and designs, but I'll admit, I've been painting warhammer for 20 years and these guys are a pain in the ass to paint. So many overlapping layered fabrics and sashes and trim. Just getting through my battalion has been a task
Does anyone have good high quality references of the old old lizardmen scheme? The green one before they switched to blue?
>>97932363Yeah that's what I thought when I saw them. They called me a paintlet. A paintlet!
>>97932449they're not impossible, just a ton of work, and in particular stuff like the rolled fabric around the waist with a leather belt over top of it, those sections are so thin with separate materials so close together that its very difficult to paint them without 3 cleanup passes.the cowels also make the faces difficult to reach, and the helmet tassles can often sit very close to the armor on their back which can create a situation where its hard to paint one surface without the other side of the brush touching the other. in general i will say they are very well done models, but its definitely an army you only want to collect if its going to be a labor of love, because these are certainly a tier above things like dwarfs and chaos warriors in terms of effort required. i think the end result is worth the effort, but if someone is the type of painter to get burnt out doing details, this is not the army for them.
>>97932458I painted the batallion and shugengan lord in like 5 hours with speedpaints and sold them, it's literally all cloth and leather, it's not difficult.
>>97932482>I painted the batallion and shugengan lord in like 5 hours with speedpaintsYeah it looks like it too
>>97932482i'll take things that didnt happen for $200the battalion is 50 models including the artillery crew. at 5 hours thats 6 minutes per figure.i've painted models quickly, but 6 minutes per model? you have at least 6 different colors on the infantry plus transfers, basing and tufts, all in 6 minutes?
>>97932493Dunno, looks way better than what I'd achieve with way way more time (ignoring bases). And better than any WF army in my club, except 1 guy's. But painting is his job, so that's it.
>>97931149Ma'am this is New GW we are talking about. If you don't want 7/10 of the ice queens bodyguards to have cornrows (same percentage of the normal horse archers and infantry) you have come to the wrong company
>>97932352my matriarch...
>>97931219Alvis the Blind poster my beloved (no homo)
>>97932587it was probably more like 7 hours being honest; did it in one day though, but yeah it's literally 7 or so colours so an hour to production line each colour. I'm not counting the basing which I usually do in the evening so it sets for next day but we did only say painting. Point is that the models aren't that hard to knock out, you could spend a lot more time on other armies. >>97932644I'm not a commission painter but painting is as hard as you want to make it especially now with so many options. It's fags like the other guy saying 'it looks speedpainted' that lead to people giving up and pushing grey hordes around. Keep it simple and ignore YT bullshit vids, do everything you can to cut down on time and at the end of the day it is the cohesive scheme that makes the army.
>>97932482>spoilerBased. You get the fun of painting and monies, WAACnigger hobbylet gets to play with painted models.
>>97932482well thanks for solidifying how ugly these models are.
>>97931219Cringe levels off the charts
>>97932889and still the best looking model range TOW has, huh
>>97932482Weird that somebody would actually pay for that paintjob, those look very rushed, the ogre's head and arms seem to be different skintones.
Migrate >>97932985>>97932985>>97932985
>>97932909sure thing chang
