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>>97965089I FUCKING ADORE THE ATLAS III
>>97965089
Ready for the next giant robot boxing match, fuck yeah
>>97965089If the Republic is sending an Ares AND a fucking Atlas 3 after you, I can only assume you personally shit in Stone's cereal and pissed on his cat.
>>97965105It's pretty neat, I like the way it's set up.
>Local group plays Monday nights>My new schedule has me waking up at 5 AM on tuesday mornings>This means no Battletech time until AugustLife is pain.
>>97965120> I can only assume you personally shit in Stone's cereal and pissed on his cat.Or cheated on his daughter.
I’m curious about everyone’s local scenes.Does everyone adhere to the MUL list for tournaments or even pickup games or do you see more battlefield salvage?My locals tend to not care too much about MUL but it’s more things like seeing a Vindicator in a FedSuns list rather than everyone hyper-optimizing and cherry picking the best varients.
>>97965213We don't worry about MUL compliance unless whoever's hosting the game says so. For pickup games, we don't limit things, but people usually build faction themed forces anyway.
>>97965203I pissed on his daughter and cheated on his cat, actually. Got the cereal right though.
>>97965213My group mostly does campaigns (sometimes map campaigns, sometimes more narrative or free form). Everyone mostly follows MUL and the main campaign system we've been using makes it marginally more difficult to get units outside of your MUL (although it's not really prohibitive). The real problem is that a couple guys are dinguses with no social awareness so their MUL compliant lists are wall to wall heavy gauss and cLPL with gunnery as close to 0 as the system allows. This then causes other guys to escalate and in one campaign, left everyone else in the dust as everything that poked its fluffy head over the horizon ate 100+ damage in 10-25 point chunks immediately. I try not to play against those guys if I can help it.
>>97965213We don't usually have tournaments, but the couple we've had have been mul restricted. The guy who usually does campaigns does kitchen sink anything goes, full custom, whole 9 yards. For pickup games we don't enforce mul adherence, but people tend to bring themed lists anyways. I ran a campaign once with RATs, that was pretty fun, tho I got some grousing from the local munchkins. One guy absolutely has to have JJs on his mechs, and he was pretty pissed he didn't roll anything that jumped. I never heard the end of it.
>>97965213I don't know much about my local scene yet, I'm kinda just dipping my toes in. Mostly I've seen pick up games, but there's evidence of previous campaigns.Some of the locals seem to do mech grinders constantly; but other than as a learning exercise I don't really see the appeal.
>>97965175lol get gud
>>97965114I love how clean these are, your stuff is always fantastic and it reminds me a bit of anime or cartoons- bordering on cell shaded. Keep it up<3>>97965120Looks like a Solaris match to me? What with the stadium lighting and all that.>>97965245Disgusting.
>>97965089And to think, even during the height of the Star League tripod Super Heavies couldn't be made. Now, thanks to the Republic and the WoB, we've got Supers marching across numerous battlefields spread throughout the galaxy.Why, it almost brings a tear to my eye. How far we have come...
>>97965329I just want a record sheet for the Hedgehog.
>>97965304I've had the most fun with grinders based on weird rules and equipment that doesn't get used often. Rather than escalating power, they escalate on how much experimental tech and rules interactions the unit has.
Gonna be honest, I’m no more than an hour into “Heir to the Dragon” on audible, and already Takashi Kurita has my vote for “Worst dad in the Inner Sphere”. Fuck that guy.
>>97965213>but it’s more things like seeing a Vindicator in a FedSuns listThe Fedsuns steal anything not nailed down, so why would they not run intact Vindis?
>>97965392He’s not even the worst father in the Combine. Theodore’s grandfather Hohiro was even worse.
>>97965399Vindicator is weirdly exclusive to the Confederation/St Ives and Mercenary MULs until you get to the Trinity years despite there probably being so many of them the Federated Suns can probably field a full Regiment through salvage alone. I always found this kind of strange since the FedRat and Commonwealth do get access to the Cataphract on the MUL and Tikanov factories were probably also tooled for Vindies.
>>97965436Implies to me that the Feds sell the Vindicators they capture to mercs rather than fielding them themselves.
>>97965213Technically I think everyone in my group runs MUL compliant lists but there is no hard requirement and one of the guys is always playing with custom variants which I'd personally think is far more an egregious change than MUL non-compliance but to each his own I suppose.
My new dudes.Now I have 6 lads for every tonnage class.Guillotine comes with jmo jet cloud, do you guys use it?Its fun piece for photos ect but not for gaming I assume.
>>97965455Battlemechs are all 12m high regardless of pose. Do whatever you want as long as you aren't trying to make it impossible to put a unit adjacent to your own and muddle the board
>>97965411Hohiro was a shitty ruler. There’s a difference there and Many Coordinators can make that claim. I have no idea what kind of father he was to his son. an IRL example of the disconnect would be Tzar Nicholas II, guy was a loving husband and doting father, but an absolute shit Tzar
>>97965436Vindicators are handed out like candy, but Vindicator spare parts are very closely controlled and very very proprietary. If that factory had been tooled for Vindicators, Mask would have torched it before it got captured. They use Vindicators as a soft-ish form of company store. As long as you work for the cappies, you can have all the vindies and vindie technical support you'd ever want, at a very generous discount. If you don't work for the cappies anymore? You're at the bottom of the waiting list, estimated wait time 43 years. Also there's a 500% price increase, payment up front, no refunds.I would guess that the fedsuns either use up the vindicators they capture until they don't work anymore, or just give them to fedsun aligned mercenaries who already have Vindicators as a way to weaken the cappies chokehold on it.
>>97965213Mine is chill in that they will let me use a sheet as long as it's built legal.
>>97965213We got bunch of newfags do Hinterlands campain with BT vets as GM and odd one out player.After bit of deliberation we came to conclusion that we scale down initial list to have 1 light 1 medium mech/vehicle so people can enjoy their collections gradually.Ofc there was this one autist who had to take marauder iic and madcat but our vet had a game with him and he no longer has 2 mechs in his merc company.
>>97965455The jump clouds are actually pretty sturdy and secure; I don't tend to use them for every mech, but if I have two or more of a chassis I pose at least one of them airborne for variety.It can be a problem for Alpha Strike I think? But the jump clouds are all press fit and held together by gravity, so you can just take them off the cloud and put them back on their base if you need to.
>>97965436>Tikanov factories were probably also tooled for VindiesI don't really know why you'd assume that. Per sarna the main production was koscheis and cataphracts>inb4 sarnaYeah, I know. Point, is, it's like assuming every industrial park in the combine produces dragons
>>97965507I mostly assumed since Tikanov was one of their really important production lines and the Confederation has as many Vindicators as they do full citizens
>>97965493Not from what I’ve read. The Capellans guard those things jealously, they won’t sell them, won’t gift them to anyone except members of the CCAF or Mercenary companies that have repeatedly aided the Confederation and have earned their trust. The parts are all of unique Cappellan construction and even more jealousy guarded. The only instance I’ve ever seen of the Cappellans “giving away” vindicators was the disastrous “Avenging Angels” variant, which was such shit that even they couldn’t get the thing to work. That they gave to the newly emergent Rasalhague as a “white elephant”. The Cappellans do be overly protective of the vindicator, despite, quite frankly, being a “good enough” trooper mech from Temu. (And this coming from someone who genuinely likes the vindicator)
>>97965481>>97965503They are sturdy Ok. I just dont feel it.
>>97965483I’m going to gamble Takashi was continuing the pattern of his father rather than going against it as Theodore did.
>>97965310Thanks man. I picked up sponge painting on a few other schemes and I really like how those go, but I haven’t had that technique work out quite as well on my Ravens. If you look at the old Phoenix Hawk on the left there, I was using a dark wash all over the mechs instead of picking the wash color closer to blue/green. That plus wicking the extra makes a lot of my more recent models look a lot cleaner, so I’m trying to get a sponge formula nailed down or maybe do some chipping or battle damage going forward to make them a little more detailed. This was a sponge attempt I did for a Vapor Eagle that I printed out-of scale. It’s not bad, but I’m not satisfied with it yet.
>>97965483>>97965596Takashi may potentially have had a hand in his father’s assassination. I doubt they had a particularly warm relationship regardless of their policy disagreements.
>>97965029Don't forget:The Society>Empirically correct in every single one of their grievances.>Every reason why the Clans are superior is because of them and always has been, and they are getting reaved as part of a Steel Viper political gambit for their troubles.>Have the coolest stuff.>Unfortunately they forgot that they don't have any good pilots for that cool stuff.>Clans basically kill them and then their entire own scientist base and somehow survive this even though their entire society is built on the back of said Scientists.>Literally feel like they only exist to explain what the Clans were doing during the Jihad whilst everyone else was fighting the Wobbies.>Still somewhat villain coded, they are after all still Clanners.
>>97965596Fair. If only because Takashi had to learn it from somewhere. I mean, you fallow the chain of generational trauma far enough you do eventually hit someone who was just a PoS for no good reason, but Takashi doesn’t exactly feel like that first link.
>>97965642Haven’t read about the society, don’t know who they are, only vague mentions of them so far. Kinda figured I’d get the basics down first before going into the “complicated” stuff.
>>97965658They're basically a blink and you'll miss it thing from 3072. Similar for that godless abortion that was Jade Wolf.
>>97965634>>97965649I’ve always read Takashi as absolutely having Hohiro assassinated and his own treatment of Theodore as a way of making it easier for Theodore to assassinate him if he ever thought it was necessary for the good of the Combine. He seems genuinely annoyed that Theodore has not seized the position of Coordinator from him at times.
>>97965029To continue:Clan Steel Viper> the crazy clan> like, legitimately unstable, danger to themselves and everyone around them> founded by Kerensky’s stalkerClan Smoke Jaguar> the “bad guy” clan> even by clan standards > basically populated entirely by thugs and bullies, which they glorify picking on those they see as weaker than them.> if they aren’t beating the shit out you or browbeating you for your stuff, then they’re stabbing you in the back.> no surprise that everyone, EVERYONE, hated them. Clan Goliath Scorpion > the Clans’ historians > see it as their solemn duty to track down, catalog, and preserve relics from the Star Leage. And to record its history and the history of the Clans for future generations.> like a ‘roided-out Indiana Jones> at least when they aren’t getting high off scorpion venom > saw things in the homeworlds were getting too intense and decided to ‘nope out’> just not to the Inner Sphere, strangely enough, they decided to find a different corner of the deep periphery to chill in. > still maintains contact with the rest of the clans, so no mystery as to their whereabouts.
>>97965673"My son is a failure because he's not ruthless enough to kill me" is a fitting attitude for the combine, especially with Toranaga later admiring Yori for her ruthlessness in cutting the branch off behind him and leaving him to die.
>>97965481>Battlemechs are all 12m high regardless of pose.Incorrect but if you keep repeating it maybe it'll become true, right?
HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>97965795HONOR!!!
>>97965213CGL wouldn't have made faction lists if you aren't intended to use them. You can take what's in your faction list, and nothing else. Someone taking something that isn't on their faction list in the MUL is basically always going to be a cheater or a WAAC player, and they should be ostracized from the community. I didn't let Space Marine players just take a list with Chaos dreadnoughts in it either. Battletech is the only game I've ever seen where people taking units from outside their codex is actually defended as not cheating by some players. It's insane how those people are tolerated here.
Weak bait
>>97965821That's pretty much all he has, so yeah.
>>97965816Coming in a little too hot, champ. Expect a trying too hard soon.
>>97965795Dragon status: HONORED
>>97965816Terrible bait. If factions really mattered everyone would just play Mercenaries with their gargantuan MUL
>>97965213We don't use MUL and just basically play it by what makes sense. No Protomechs for the Marian Hegemony, no Lances of Clan Mechs for the Dragon's Fury in 3133, no shitty hunk of junk Inner Sphere mechs for the Clans during the Clan Invasion, no Celestials for the Society and so on.
>>97965832>>97965830Cheaters spotted.Stop using units your faction doesn't have access to. If it's not in your codex, you don't get to have it. Cry.
>>97965816Trying Too Hard
>>97965791All Battlemechs standing are two levels high for the purposes of game-play regardless of their in-universe dimensions or sculpt. Being a pedant is well and all, but picking a fight over retarded shit when a question was adequately answered is especially foolish.Mechs that are Prone or Hull down are a single level high. Superheavies are 3 levels high and occupy only a single hex regardless of their sculpt as well.>>97965839Tourists should behave when they come to visit.
>>97965849All mechs are exactly twelve thousand milimeters tall with no variation.
>>97965849>All Battlemechs standing are two levels high for the purposes of game-play regardless of their in-universe dimensions or sculpt.That's better.
>>97965849All Battlemechs are exactly the size of their miniature for purposes of line of sight. Do you even know how alpha strike works? That's why under no circumstances should you you use a jumping mech sculpt. It's also why why miniature scale matters, and why the old metal minis need to be banned?, because in addition to looking like shit, they are too small and therefore give a line of sight advantage to the boomers who fields them. You don't get to use different models and get an advantage; that's literally "modeling for advantage" and it's cheating.
>>97965838>no Celestials for the Society and so on.FUCK so much this. NO STAN I WILL NOT LET YOU BRING A FIRE MANDRILL BUCCANEER TO OUR 3060 HOMEWORLD CLAN GAMES SIMPLY BECAUSE "IT'S AROUND THEN" YOU'RE A CUNT AND YOU KNOW IT AND EVERYONE IN THE FUCKING STORE HATES YOU
>>97965673>>97965743Honestly, he should count himself lucky that Theodore didn’t just renounce his claim to the throne, just to spite Takashi. Which isn’t an unreasonable outcome. But it would’ve been an awkward situation for the Coordinator; and the Combine as a whole. Since that would’ve forced Takashi to choose between “make nice with and try to repair his relationship with his only son” and “Plunge the Combine into chaos upon his death due to having no immediate heir”.The “do what one must be done for the good of the Combine” is not the same when “what must be done” involves going to family counseling.
>>97965872See >>97965845Thank you.
>>97965876Takashi is more likely to kill Theodore and try to put Franklin Sakamoto on the throne before he ever shows weakness to his son.
>97965839The force manuals released thus far allow you to pick a limited number of salvage choices per company.
>>97965875um...ok?
>>97965912DAAAAW wittle baby scared to hand out (You)s because he knows he'll be proven wrong, laughed and insulted if he does.
>>97965845>>97965882Spamming is a ban worthy offense. If I can weaponize the jannies to drive off NEA, I get get rid of you. So post Mechs or shut the fuck up, spammer
CGL would rather tear their own livers out than admit factions are even a thing. The IlClan MULs practically give everyone everything.
>>97965892Which, ironically, is a sign of weakness.
>97965921
>>97965806I will never understand why you're playing Mechwarrior lmfao
>>97965912Not on the MUL, not canon.
>>97965839Weak.
>>97965946I know you hate Battletech but do try to keep up; the Force Manuals supersedes the MUL.
>>97965960This, the MUL isn't canon anymore and anyone using it is a cheater.
>>97965029You forgot to say>clan wolf: the darling of the setting who can do no wrong
>>97965960Please stop engaging with this bad faith troll.
>>97965969
>>97965973If your response to someone pissing their pants is front of you is to immediately piss your own, are you any better?
>>97965968We know that there's a "Final Annihilation" within the next 100 years of the 3rd Star League. I legit hope it's Clan Wolf somehow lol
>>97965978Sure, because I have a catheter and therefore aren't actually pissing myself. Now, if you're finished...
>>97965979I would not be surprised if CGL throws everything we know about the future of the IlClan into the dumpster.
>>97965875Wtf anon lol
>>97965991The 3250 tidbits are trash anyway, so that'd be fine.
>>97965979Candidates so far are Wolf (in a "the ilkhan needs no clan, for he is the ruler of all" kind of way that might or might not be a real annihilation depending on how the rest of the clan reacts to being cast aside), Ravens ("they nuked a civilian center from orbit on their own initiative! Come on everyone, join the star league and help us Bulldog them to death!"), and Homeworld Clans (If the Aggressors win and start Clan Invasion II: Jihad Boogaloo and need to be put down for nuking and chemical bombing every world they encounter).
>>97965979It'll never happen but I'd love Ward to turn on Wolf and wipe them out to make it clear this is now the True Star League and not just Clan Wolf larping as the League. It'd be a mostly symbolic annihilation but Alaric is a big fan of symbols and icons so it'd fit.
>>97966012He's also a big fan of taking huge steamy dumps on everyone who helps him, so it might just be a real annihilation.
>>97965991Even with CGL throwing out the 3250 blurbs they are taking far too long pushing the narrative forward and drip feeding novels and sourcebooks. We won't see 3160 for years at this point let alone 3250
Anyone actually excited about more Continuum boxes? Gothic was alright. the abominations are fun to play with and I’ll probably pick up the force pack for them if that ever comes out, but the altered mechs were really underwhelming and the setting just felt like 3025 with some name changes overall.I like the concept for these one off specialty projects exploring some alternate ideas but Gothic was a bit of a weak lead for it. The mechs don’t even visually match their record sheets.
>>97966012>>97966010It being Wolf as a symbolic gesture of his legitimacy to the rest of humanity is too cool and interesting for CGL to write honestly.
>>97965941Because me and my mate are loving it and people are allowed to have fun?
>>97966017It’s that Kathy blood in him.
>>97966031I am hesitant to say I'm excited for the Anime one but I won't say I'm not somewhat interested. Even if there's going to be yet another Timber Wolf. And I have the feeling they'll really fuck up the anime aesthetic.
>>97966058>>97966031I will buy the FUCK out of the anime Battletech box if we finally get mechs that operate like this in spacehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0is_m1k28Q
>>97966024Pretty much. CGL is mismanaged pretty badly, and books are expensive. They can't even push force packs in a timely fashion and those are relatively low effort. The biggest sin of ilClan is that it's taken them a decade to push it forward 5 years.
>>97966097>>97966024>NOOO! THE TIMELINE CONSTANTLY ADVANCING IS SHIT AND RUINS THE LORE AND MY INVESTMENT IN THE SETTING!!!>NOOO! THE TIMELINE IS ADVANCING TOO SLOWLY!!!Actual fucking state of Battletech "fans"
>>97966116
>>97966116Ignore the grogs. Your experience with battletech will improve dramatically anon
MWO players love XL engines, don't they?
>>97966024If the timeline goes too fast, it'll have the same problem as the timeskips. I'd rather they fill out the current timeline now than jump forward and have to backfill it.Also too drastic of a skip will end up with the same technology problems as always, new stuff is busted, new stuff is sidegrades, why isn't there more new stuff, there's way too much new stuff, etc.Although related to that, I think Ilclan era should be marked by the removal of the penalty for IS technicians working on clan-grade equipment. The mystery is solved and the tools are available.
>>97966031If they unfuck the sculpts so I can use them in normal games without them looking dumb, sure.
>>97966031I'm a slut for art deco, so I might buy the Rockets & Rayguns one. I skipped Gothic though
>>97966058I hope this isn’t the final concept because the Mad Cat doesn’t exactly scream “Gundam” like they promised.
>>97966213Is this Animetech?!Weak.
>>97966235I believe the Battlemaster is supposed to be the Rockets and Rayguns concept
>>97966031Gothic was a total miss for me, so I'm not. The only way they could bring me back if they did a Shadowrun crossover one.
>>97966213It just looks like a Mad Cat Mk. IV
>>97966213Since BT is already anime I figure it'll more focus on the tech you can't add without causing a chimp out rather than a mere aesthetic change.Expect Fin funnels and Gattai.
Do the 3rd Star League's SLDF wear the OG green?
>>97965816>I didn't let Space Marine players just take a list with Chaos dreadnoughtsYou maybe could have been a bit more obvious with your bait...>>97965946>Not on the MUL, not canon.FORGE YOUR OWN NARRATIVE!!!>>97966031>Gothic was a bit of a weak lead for it.They didn't even bother with the main deviation for the setting!Like I'm a fan of looking at alternate continuums, but to put barely any mechanical thought into how it should play differently is insulting...
>>97966343Yup
>>97966355Based. An SLDF Timber Wolf or Summoner is going to look kino.
>>97966343
>>97966376>>97966371>>97966355>>97966343The very idea of SLDF Protomechs makes me leak 8===>
>>97966343The pre-painted Mad Cat IV in the Third Star League box wears the same OG green.
>>97966384Not to trigger more availability autism, but the Star League clans stopped using protos awhile ago, it's just the Horses and Ravens now.
I still don't understand how you can make a mech that looks like a jet and not give it jump packs by default.
>>97966399And yet I will include them because the idea of SLDF Protomechs causes me to drip. Also, ALL CLANS WILL KNEEL TO THE ILCLAN AND THEREFORE MY PROTOS WILL BELONG TO THE HELL'S HORSES WHO KNELT BEFORE THE MIGHT OF ALARIC
>>97966412I refuse to accept that anyone actually likes Alaric
>>97966415Liking someone and getting on your knees to avoid execution are two very different things, Spheroid. But you'll learn.
I am very much enjoying this journey. Only a little bit of Children of Kerensky left then Hour of the Wolf and I'm finally onto the Ilclan stuff.
>>97966434Fair warning, Hour of the Wolf is a pretty weak book overall unless you really love Alaric
>>97966445Honestly I think I would have enjoyed it more if the Republic put up more of a fight and it wasn't just a complete stomp.Kinda fucking annoying.
>>97966445I'm purely doing this so I can move onto the Ilclan stuff and be "in" with all the new lore and be there as the plot and timeline advances. There's been a LOT of shit in these books but I'm enjoying some of it. The Republic side is very interesting but they've always been a favourite of mine so no surprise there (RIP), I quite like Anastasia Kerensky, the journey of the Clans as they morph into what we see at the end of the Dark Age and seeing some Jade Falcons trying to stay true to their original ideals like in Honors Gauntlet is interesting. Malvina is a lacklustre villian and Alaric...I don't hate, he's just extremely dull as a character. He's too boring to hate lolAlso, Divided We Fall was FUCKING TERRIBLE AND I HATED IT.
>>97966336They should add a hover mech movement mode so mechs with JJ in their legs can move extra fast like the Dom
>>97963845Yeah I get that, though I am wondering if they have preferences for hover or wheels. Do they just go cheap on it as much as possible because of resources, or is there something specific. Just an interesting topic.>>97963902Lets see it!
>>97966477That's how I assume most jump movement actually is, since it generates extra TMM. Mechwarrior making jumpjets slow, predictable poptart elevators is pretty retarded.
>>97966412Funny enough I really hope that Hells Horses and the New Jade Falcon clan does not kneel to the new Star League. It is a very interesting plotline to say the least.
>>97966434Chance Vickers is poo. Haake Sukhanov is best bird boi.
>>97966467The author hated the Republic because he wasn't involved in its creation, and let his personal feelings get in the way of storytelling.
>>97966510They will resist and be among the first to feel the wrath of the SLDF and their new commander, Anastasia Kerensky. They'll be kicked and beaten and forced into line.
>>97966400I want a partial wing variant in the same vein as the Firefly 5A and maybe some slightly better MUL distribution because it feels like this mech is always bordering on extinction cotdam
>>97966516>Haake Sukhanov is best bird boi.I desire headpats from the unnaturally tall, big eyed, albino spacer twink plz
>>97966043Contrarian anon ITT is seething at you.Keep it up please. It is glorious.And I don't even like dork age.
>>97966510Well considering the long-standing feud between CJF and Clan Wolf. I doubt they’d ever truly bend the knee
>>97966538The fact people refuse to give Mechwarrior a chance just means there's more for me and my buddy to grab cheap online >:)
Oh speaking of local groups; Map, my group says Instant Action is great, they're all pretty solid!
>>97966583Amen. Have fun.
FORD (Australia) =/= FordHOLDEN =/= GMheretics!GRIFFIN SUPREMACY !!!
>>97966549Was refering to the CJF in the Hinterlands, since CJF is now technically two clans, though seeing as the Hinterlands basically have all the Genetic stuff in addition to the civvie castes, I imagine that they basically will be the winner between the two.
>>97966549Can the next bit of canon lore we are subjected to be CJF and the woods and goons exterminating each other in a three-way fuckfest of stupid?
So from what I know:>ClansElite mechs, almost entirely focused on mechs, with small contingents of battlearmor and ASF's for their necessary functions>Inner SphereMech spam, not as elite as Clans but they have a lot more mechs, a small amount of focus on combined arms mostly for use as cheap garrisons to buy some time for the real military to arrive>PeripheryLarger focus on combined arms because they're too poor to afford many mechs, but still have a small amount of mechs ready to use, but not elite Clan-tier mechs>Deep peripheryUsually all conventional forces and combined arms since they have few to no mechs >Comstar/Word of BlakeWeird experimental mechs, not technically as high quality as clans but can give them a run for their money?
>>97966506I figured jump jets worked like they work visually in the HBS game, kind of a ballistic arc to get over and on top of things. I’m thinking it would instead leverage the jump jets to remove ground friction and create forward momentum, so you could get MASC-like MP with a lot more movement restrictions - can’t move through rough or heavy woods, can’t change elevation more than once, whatever. To move in this manner the mech would have to have half or more of its jump jets mounted in its legs.
>>97966672Deep periphery depends entirely on which deep periphery state it is. The ones that don't have any mechs at all are often completely isolated. Some of them have been isolated for so long that the last time they had any interaction with the rest of humanity, it predated mechs. Many of them have mechs, and some even focus on mechs exclusively. The Brotherhood of Randis only accepts mechwarriors and their small military industry only produces mechs. Two of the deep periphery states the Scorpions ate up had decrepit old mechs and the third one had relatively modern mechs with their own little mercenary trade running in the region.
>>97966672Man, you can just read the setting primer. Every box comes with one. There’s no need to try and piece together all your information from jokes, incorrect assumptions, and stereotypes.
>>97966171That depends greatly.Clan XL engines are great no matter what. You only die from both your side torsos being destroyed or your center torso being destroyed, and losing both your side torsos will leave you unarmed or close to it anyway, there is no kicking.IS XL engines are great on most lights and mediums but much more contentious on a lot of heavies and horrible on most assaults.Because your survivability in assaults comes from twisting your torso to absorb fire in the desired location rather than using mobility to avoid fire, assaults rely heavily on their side torsos being ablative shields they can use to block fire at will.You aren't at the mercy of dice deciding which torso gets hit, you're fighting players with complete control over where their shots go, opposing players also being able to lock your mech and see if any of your components have already been exposed by damage.Using an IS XL cuts down your mech's tankyness to such a degree that it is completely unjustifiable for almost every mech on the heavier end of the spectrum, meaning most heavier IS builds use light engines instead of XL engines instead.P.S. Streak SRMs in MWO fucking suck for almost every build except lights dedicated to hunting other lights.
>>97965872Alpha stroke my cock
>>97966425>ContractionNow be a good trothkin and get down on your knees.
>>97965872Wrong. Not even remotely. EVERY single LoS issue is resolved with the provided size template cylinders.Did you even read the rule book?
The fact that there isn't a RACjack offends me.
>>97966987G configuration of the omni
>>97966631Holden is dead anyway.>>97966672There are way more truly elite pilots in the IS. You'll find way more examples of 0/1 and 1/2 IS pilots than you will Clans.>>97966987The OG config of the Blackjack omni?
>>97965839>codexFuck off, 40kiddo.
>>97965839As long as the mechs not extinct, is available in the current era and makes sense for salvaging reasons you should be able to field em.
If I only want to play helicopters, tanks, infantry, and artillery mechs, does that make me a shitter
>>97967229Little bit. It's kind of like showing up to a chess game and declaring you only want to use bishops.
>>97965114Nice work on the leg repose. Did you swap the feet or reposition and putty in the gap? For that matter, all the conversion work on the 7 looks really good, blends in so well I didn't see it at first. What paint do you use for the teal?
>>97967229Depends on how prepared the other guy is.We just wrapped up a campaign where one guy was all vehicles, and he found out real quick that he had to play extremely defensively because if his vehicles got beat up on too much and he had to retreat, the mobility kills mean they're left on the field to be salvaged when mechs could have limped over the map edge.
>>97967240>>97965114>Nice work on the leg repose.Never mind, I need to get in the habit of checking stls before commenting on a repose. Still, good work and I'm curious about the paint.
>>97966788I mean you could still build a paper tiger in MWO, that mass savings could allow you to pack an extra fuck-you AC/20, where anything you couldn't kite you can probably oneshot.>>97966987>The fact that there isn't a RACjack offends me.MUH MECHWARRIOR!Everyone claims the Omni Jack, but personally I'll just go with the Rifleman 8D if I'm going with a heavier chassis anyways.
>>97967296MWO is currently in Arrow IV hell, and the usual way to counter them is with extreme long range builds. That streak Cataphract is a hilariously bad build. Besides that, the armour values are doubled across the board from their base tabletop values, in addition to many armour quirks and the skill tree. Here's a example, the green +number on each component shows the bonus armour.
... If I remembered to attach the image.
>>97967330>MWO is currently in Arrow IV hell, and the usual way to counter them is with extreme long range builds.>Tell me you don't use AMS without telling me you don't use AMSWere you not here for the "LRM Meta"?
>>97966788Regarding IS XL on bigger mechs. You can usually get away with XL on most heavies now days due to the DPS/ just kill them faster meta. The other use case are the mechs with horrible black hole CT hitboxes like the king crab or charger
>>97967229Yes. Battletech is only slightly combined arms, you're still expected to use mostly mechs.
>>97967348I was. It got better after the game died completely and PGI allowed the caludron to take over, but now we're back in a weird pay2win hell. But I don't visit those places anymore so I'm not really informed on the rationale. I just assume it's because PGI sucks.
>>97967380It would be more accurate to say that Battletech is a combined arms game, but Mechs have surpassed infantry and artillery as the kings and queens of the battlefield.
>>97965922The fuck happened since the last time I was in btg? Why the fuck would you drive NEA away?
>>97967437Gay faggot tranny started mass reporting all batteps until they stopped coming here. Because gay faggot tranny wants to make /btg/ another gayfag blog post for posting their porn.
>>97967394Infantry are the kings of urban combat. I also love pbi in most stuff. Just got to be aware need to be smart with them.
>>97967458That is dumb. Also dumb on jannies for accepting the report.Must fall into I don't actually play territory
>>97967458...bruh? I like NEA. Quit being a buttface.
I happen to like battlereps; if it's one or the other I'd frankly prefer people to be talking about the fucking game.
>>97967491It was a whiner with a personal grudge against NEA.
Anybody got images of female emelentals? Preferably standing next to their armor
>>97967518No.
>>97967518Such images have never been made, which is a shame. It's just not possible to find drawings of large, muscular women on the internet.
>>97967482The janny/mod /btg/ even has is a faggot too. So they let the trannyfaggot post anything they want.
>>97965213>>97965213My local scene is pretty free-flowing, but most people play their factions in-character. I do play in the East Coast Alpha Strike tournament scene that uses Southern Assault rules (and derivatives thereof) for tournaments, and those are MUL and era compliant, which is honestly pretty fun. You end up looking at some really weird variants as a result, like I have the 35 ton phoenix hawk on the list I'm bringing to Battle for the Bay in July. There are some factions I'll admit the MUL is shit for though. Periphery factions and Pirates in particular kind of get shit on.
>>97967348>Tell me you don't use AMS without telling me you don't use AMSIf the enemy team has a lot of LRMs you need at least two AMS on your mech to protect you from an appreciable amount of LRM fire, most mechs don't even have one AMS slot.
>>97967515I don't recall asking. If its the decision between keeping one trip fag and having on-topic content in the thread, I'd kill the tripfag with my bare fucking hands if that's what it takes.Ideally we should be able to all be here and talk about the game without anyone being humongous faggots; but that is a decision individuals have to make and I'm not going to put my hobby on hold because somebody's nametag is scuffed.
>>97965724Goliath Scorpion is possibly the single most powerful faction in the Ilclan era from a raw capability and stable territory function. They appear to have their own HPG linked empire in the deep periphery that's something like 8 times the size of the Clan homeworlds in both resources and population, and they're at clantech production levels by Ilclan. They just don't matter too much because they're outside of the main scope of conflict. God I hope they get a background war with deepspace Wobbies.
>>97967484Sure you do. Suuuuure you do.
>>97967484Not you, the other one
>>97962860>>97962894>incredibly slow responseBecause it is no longer a Hunchback. It is closer in concept to a Clan upgrade of the Blitzkrieg even if it is slower. I statted an alternative, traditional Hunchie with Lamellor armor instead and 4JJs, it retains the personality much better since that is the most important thing for distinguishing all these formless blobs of critical space. A standard engine means this would be a genuine replacement for the original; an affordable urban specialist that could be built in numbers by house militaries. If lamellor armor isn't acceptable there's enough weight to fit in other adv tech IS armors. It even is a little short on heat dissipation so there is at least the bare minimum of volley firing for flavor.
>>97967606>4/6/X mediums>post clan invasionOh, you're just a fucking idiot.
>>97967557I'm planning on bringing a Seeker out for the next campaign my group will be doing. Gonna run a Fire Scorpion 3 even though it's weirdly low tech for a clan mech. Basically a quad Victor 10D but made of clantech. For some reason they gave it SHS despite having plenty of room for DHS.
>>97967619Then don't bother and just build something other than a Hunchback. Might as well take the opportunity to design a new mini to sell. Is that not their business model?
>>97967606I'd give it hardened over flamellor. More of the chunky hunchback vibe.
>>97967606You are overly attached to the introtech image of the mech. Tons of stuff uses advanced technology to go faster, because going faster is good. Are the post Helm Centurions somehow not "real" because they are faster?
>>97967640Hardened armor is just a liability without high piloting skill or being a quad, PSRs are easy enough to fail without it.
>>97967703Just roll better.
>>97967647Going faster involves using XL engines. What I'm attached to is Fusion for Fusion, XL for XL. Putting XL where it doesn't belong degrades the identity of the design most. The Jagermech C is not as bad because its original loadout was simply far too much to begin with and old variants already used XLs (JM6-DD), so seeing one with an XL is more of a "I guess it couldn't be helped" than adding an XL to a Hunchback purely to make it gofast with roughly the same armaments.
>>97967740And to add one more point of argument, it is about the aesthetics. Does the Hunchback LOOK like a 6/9 mech?
>>97967761>Does the Hunchback LOOK like a 6/9 mechThe visuals of the mech have never consistently conveyed whether a mech is fast or not.
>>97967557Imagine itBlake's Scorpions
>>97967557They got trade vessels within the Inner Sphere. I hope they are setup as a counter to derpy Fox.
I seem to recall them saying they're not going to touch the Scorpion Empire in Ilclan for a long while, if at all.
>>97967812It's hard to write stuff that's months of travel time away from everything everyone cares about.
>>97967812>not touching the most interesting part of ilClanChecks out
>>97967631Its literally identical to hbk 4g, but clantech.You just hate mechs still having their own 'thing' and being optimised.But you still run your fucking hellstar lance and claim YOU aren't the waacfag, as you bitch and whinge that no one else gets to use their favourite mechs super cool versions.
>>97967640Wpuld not hardened armour on the hunchback C make it a 5/8?So still not a 4/6 deathtrap RetardAnon demands you use.
>>97967761Fuck yes it does. It just screams>this fucking asshole is coming to tear ass accross the battlefield to drop fat BRRRRT's of ac shells into your vulnerable mech ass armour.
>>97967833It's -1 to run MP, so 6/8.
>>97967856So nothing will make faggot anon happy.
>>97967849>image from waist up
>>97967867Bitch bitch bitchWhine whine whine.You faggot.
>>97967884Looks like 3/5 legs to me
>>97967895Because you're someone who never touches grass.Those are the chonky legs of a runner
>>97967905>the chonky legs of a runnerAthletic runners don't have particularly thick legs.
>>97967916Correct. They don't have the gigantism chonk legs of the roidtard. The do however have the chonky legs of a runner.Because they need actual leg muscles to run for sustained distances.
>>97967924No, as in they just look like the legs of a regular person most of the time.And the CGL hunchback's legs especially look disproportionately heavy for its weight.
>>97967942Pffft. Ha ha ha ha. Ok. Now you're just being stupid. On purpose.
>>97967946
>>97967959I miss annorexic Centurion.
>>97967959
5/8 legs
oh look, 55t 6/9 legs.
and some more 55t 5/8
uh oh. here's the legs of a 65 t 5/8
Nice, a new schizo.
>>97967942That's because the CGL design is faithful to the original. They're almost cartoon tube legs with large balloon foot pads. And the arms used to be disproportionately tiny tube arms that gives it an even more bottom-heavy look in spite of the concept of being a mech built around a gun. Even then Alex's Piggy design still has a lot of mass in the legs.
>>97968083Those are 4/6 legs though.
>>97968219The hunchback always had big legs but the CGL version, like most of their redesigns, decides to make it look even heavier in general just because.
>>97968259Nice rack
>>97968259Clean up your room. How do you expect to find a husband if you don't keep a tidy home?
>>9796823610s goes 5/8. suck it.
Why are you all indulging this lunatic's nonsense opinions?
>>97967240>>97967280Yeah I print just about all of my stuff these days. Most of the sculpts I go for are very poseable, I like the ability to customize.The teal is about a 2:1 mix of Sotek Green to Kabalite Green, but Army Painter Deep Azure and Scarab Green are also very close with the same 2:1 ratio.
>>97968295But who was lunatic?
>>97967792But CGS isn’t really all that interested in building a trade empire like SeaFox. They basically want to go antiquing in the Inner Sphere now and again, and occasionally sell shit or negotiate arrangements to get some funds for acquiring said antiques.
>>97968540The seekers are, that's not really their entire deal and never has been.
>>97968558The rest of the clan seems more interested in figuring out how to actually run a space nation, to the point of expanding the caste system just to account for administrative needs.
>>97967829I honestly, genuinely, wish you'd show up somewhere actually IRL and say this shit. Jesus, I'd rather have the Canadian tranny around here more than your bitch ass. Valk was right, we should keep guns around the LGS just to kill people like you.
>>97968577cry more commie. you got called out for being a faggot who hates other people getting to play on an equal footing and having FUN.
>>97968577>we should keep guns around the LGS
>>97967393>now we're back in a weird pay2win hellI personally haven't found it to be as bad as the whiners claim; Arrow IV has the same downside as Thunderbolts in that all the damage is centered in a single missile or so.>>97967546>If the enemy team has a lot of LRMs you need at least two AMS on your mech to protect you from an appreciable amount of LRM fire, most mechs don't even have one AMS slot.Because what separates GOOD Missile Support from the rest is how well you can path your indirect fire!Mass LRM sandblasting is still going to be more devastating than Arrow IV since Arrow IV has even more weakness to anti-LRM tactics.>>97967518>Anybody got images of female emelentals? Preferably standing next to their armorThis is the most relevant image I have.
>>97968540After getting chased out of the Homeworlds despite coming out of the Reaving as the second-strongest power there, one would think Escorpion Imperio would be more concerned with ensuring they're as ready as possible if the Adders come knocking to finish the job. Snacking on small fry nationlets like the Hansa and Nuevo Castile isn't the fast track to that.
>>97968821The Hanseatic league had 30 worlds and at least some production of Overlords and various post helm assault mechs. Ten years after the crusade the empire is said to be thriving.
>>97968663That's not an elemental.Also a terrible depiction of elemental BA.
>>97968837I dunno, just seems like they ought to have snuggled up to a major power as quickly as possible, but details are sparse so maybe they tried and got rejected so they snapped up some border rump states instead. I hope it gets explored more deeply.
Joining in on the Dark Age fun with someMW: Solaris VII. First match of the evening is the Clan BattleMech, the Solitaire up against a Blakist design from the Jihad, a Nyx.
>>97968875ah, a heel vs heel grudge match. the audience can cheer for both mechs getting wrecked! filthy clanner scum vs filthy wobbie scum.
A quick match for the light ‘Mechs ends with Solitaire hitting with both attacks using its pulse ability, the second of which was a critical success! That forest cover did not help the Nyx!
>>97968847Hey man it's the closest I had to what you wanted.
>>97968902I did not want nor ask for it.
Our next match is a venerable Centurion against a cutting-edge Night Stalker. With everything to prove, the Centurion immediately blasted a Rep Point while the Night Stalker calculated it vector of attack …>>97968894‘Mech Maniacs across the Inner Sphere could only debate which contestant to BOO harder!
>>97968910>I did not want nor ask for it.You wanted imagines of Female Elementals, preferably standing next to their armor...
>>97968918That was not me.
After a few rounds of the Night Stalker taking the worst of ranged exchanges, the ‘Mechs meet in the central fountain with the Centurion groaning under its heatload. The fans are chanting CHOP CHOP CHOP!
The Night Stalker did all it could to maintain distance and peel off the Centurion’s heavy armor. But it missed too many shots and ran out of room. In a desperate gambit, it tried a charge around and into the Centurion’s rear arc but only managed to damage itself … right before the Centurion’s big hatchet came down like the Dracaboos came down on Kentares.
>I did it, guys! I took over terra and formed the third starleague!>...now what?
>>97966171>why yes, I do have no presence on the battlefield for the first 6 turns. how could you tell?
>>97968577Trying Too Hard
>>97968898>>97968913>>97968927>>97968978>>97968875>Joining in on the Dark Age fun BAAAAAASSSSEEEEEDDDD!!!!!
Any canon mechs actually use thunderbolt missiles?
>>97969694There's a few.
>>97969712>What if Kit Fox>But good?
>>97969718>IS mech>completely different weapon loadout>different movement profile>25 tons heavier>almost twice the BV cost>over three times the c-bill cost?Did you respond to the wrong post?
>>97969712Does it carry a tbolt15? I feel like 5/10 isn't big enough to be a concern. And the 20 would be niche.The 15 though. That always has that potential to just end a mech every turn and if it doesn't, still leaves a big hole in whatever it did hit.
>>97969744I was referring to its appearance/design.
>>97969752It carries a 10.You've got 9 choices if you want a mech with at least one thunderbolt 15, two of which are axmen(axmans?).
>>97969767What are you using to search by weapon?
>>97966434OMG I LOATHE Tucker Harwell like you wouldn't believe. Easily one of my most hated character in any series ever.
>>97969767I still choose to believe that is carrying a giant hose and has subwoofers on its shoulders.
>>97969797megameklab
Toying with a 3132 - 3136 Spirit Cats Level 2. It's a mix of ancient, super early generation Battlemechs and some newer Clan ones, representing them dipping into ancient stores and forgotten stockpiles while also being able to get their hands on some of the machines the Clans have been producing in defiance of Stones disarmament policies.
>>97969844>Level 2.I'm too mind broken by the Blakists I've been working on for years lmfaoIt's a Spirit Cats Star.
>>97969851>mind broken by BlakistsThere is no such thing! Only seeing the true divine word of Blake!
>>97968663Arrow IV is pay2win because it's the flavor of the month weapon and only available on paid mechs from bundles. You can't even equip or look at the weapons stats if you didn't fork out the cash for it.It's also AMS resistant so unlike regular lrms you don't even get a point or two of damage reduction you just eat the whole damage unless you're in a bubble with like 6 AMS.It's also effectively a LLRM with no random clustering so you just randomly take AC20 shots from 1k+ out from behind a wall which they decided in the same patch to buff the arc so you couldn't hide behind walls.Not a big fan of $$$$ only weapons. Especially ones with no appreciable downside vs their competition.Thunderbolt is 85% of the way to being a direct fire lockon weapon in addition to being heavy af with mid range. Probably needs a buff cuz they're terrible.Not the worst meta but definitely one that tastes hella sour.
>>97969670But seriously FUCK those little heat dials!
>>97969883Give it a couple of months and they'll """balance""" it, just in time fir the general release to f2p scrubs.I might get back in to mwo and see about making a dedicated arrow platform hunter mech
>>97969844Every time I see an Adder I wish it was the S. That thing is so funny.SIXTEEN fucking machine guns (and 4 mpls because clan). Is an absolutely hilarious amount of close range firepower for 1427BV.
>>97970000I wasn't even f2p in that game, didn't know the MWO online site had exclusive mechs and that weren't visible or available for MC in the ingame store till that patch. Probably wouldn't have spent a penny if I knew they would try to force you to cough up $ every patch by making op real money weapons a thing.If it's fun for you go for it.
>>97970024I've never given the pig a penny, I just love breaking metachasers and whales.
How many mapsheets do you guys play on for various game sizes?8k? 10k? 12k? 15k?I don't usually play below 8k but I'm curious how big a map /tg/ thinks is reasonable.
>>97970502It's better to determine based on amount of units, since more units need more space for the map to not become completely cluttered. Generally the rule is 1 mapsheets for ever 2 units, so lance vs lance would be 2 mapsheets.
>>979705023000 BV per player per mapsheet. So for a 6000 BV game, two mapsheets.
>>97970523Yeah but that's an incredibly vague rule, doesn't work for a lot of scenarios, and requires that both you and your opponent know each other's lists before making them.>>97970552I like this a bit better. And it covers most games fairly well.
>>97970566Its the scale from Mercs/Hinterlands, and the new Core book is going to use it too, so it'll become pretty common.
>>97970502Honestly, most times my games have either been 1x1 or 1x2 regardless of BV scale. But that’s because at the LGS I’ve played at normal tables that just can’t really support anything else, and the larger gaming tables are generally already occupied by people playing other wargames that NEED an actual wargaming table to play. It’s just being considerate.
>>97965089~bzzzzzzt~/btg/ come in /btg:. I don’t have much time left, and I dont know if you will even receive it through all the jamming and chaff in the air, but I feel compelled to send it anyway because of its massive importance.“alaric ward is a massive honorless faggot. That is all”
>>97970607Alaric Ward sucks and is a total dezgra but Zellbrigen has done naught but bring ruinous defeat after ruinous defeat at the hands of the IS.Especially since they forced their disgusting BV system on us /s
wut
>>97970667>We failed once, we failed twice, we must fail again!Really someone should ask them if they know the definition of insanity?
>>97970667>>97970677Wasn't the one from the early 2000s fairly successful
Let me see if I understand this correctly:The Outworlds Alliance is basically a loose federation of pacifist Luddites founded by a disillusioned FedSun. Also, because of their pacifist beliefs, have been little more than a punching bag since the reunification war.
>>97970696yes except they became puppets for clanners immediately after the jihad, they're effectively nothing more than the clan snow raven occupation zone now
>>97970677My guess is it's going to be one of those deck builders or LCG, not a CCG. They already have so many problems with printing cardboard, a one and done self contained box set with cards in it makes way more sense than continuously churning out packs.
Folks! I got it! What if the next era is Starleague vs Starleague?
>>97970710The downside with LCGs is that they inevitably end and many of them want to force 1v1s so you can't even play multiplayer with your friends.And that's before we get into boxes of specialized tokens or whether the core game is actually good.Given that the last two attempts are dead, I'm not sure I want to gamble on round 3.
>>97970706Snow Raven is also in real bad shape. If things don't go amazingly well for them they're probably going to get the Nova Cat treatment from the Draconis or Davion either this era or the next.
>>97970876Did they lose a lot of their fleet recently?I thought they were the de facto naval powerhouse
>>97969883Can confirm, 4ams corsair with quirks did nothing to A IV.
>>97970796So like, the states that aren't onboard with Alaric form their own Star League to fight him?
>>97970917Then they'd have to decide who gets to be first lord, and that discussion rarely ends well.
>>97970876That doesn’t sound right.Because last I checked, (and I could be wrong), Clan Snow Raven has many warships, it being their whole shtick, and House Kurita and House Davion have no warships.Kinda doesn’t matter if the Combine has more mech regiments or not in that scenario, if you jump into system and there’s a Battlecruiser there telling you to “turn around”, one’s options become very limited.
>>97970897They are. Op is cumbine shill.Ravens arent remotely in the same position as Cats were. They have fleets, tech, people, production.
>>97970876DC is being invaded by CGB though
>>97970876I don't think they're in bad shape, but they aren't making many friends. Even Alaric isn't too happy with them since the ilclan is supposed to be the most powerful of all and every time he asks them to bail him out, everyone else raises their eyebrows. And them nuking a city has given everyone casus belli to Bulldog them and completely undercut Alaric's "join the star league, we're creating a new golden age of peace!" message. His peons have no answer when people call them bloodthirsty Amaris successors because of that.
>>97970946>House Kurita and House Davion have no warshipsKurita has some. Dunno how many, I'd have to look, but one of their ships saw action when the Cappies invaded Dieron.
>>97970946If it doesn’t have any escorts beyond its native fighters and dropships you could throw away a lot of lives and ships trying to board with mechs and marines, but yeah space navy supremacy is a Bitch
>>97970957With them calling it a "short victorious war", the foreshadowing is very blatant that it's gonna go very badly for them.>>97970973Combine also has one of the better answers to warships with their pocket warship fleet.
You guys getting the DropShips?>BattleTech: Gothic will get its first (and reportedly only) Battlefield Support box with Abominations: Hulks, Giants, and Titans.
>>97971010I will give this a skip. Don't want to encourage them.
>>97971010fudge, picrel
>>97971010Hope the beasties make the jump to og
They should have the succ states gang up on Alaric’s “”star league”” and then Alaric blows up earth with nukes because he’s insane and doesn’t believe that anyone else is worthy of holy terra and the mantle of the star league. Then we can finally move the plot past everyone’s hangups about the star league and succession to the star league and start thinking about a post-star league existence. What if the cappies and lyrans did a Molotov-ribbentrop kind of pact and carved up the FWL between themselves?
>>97971044Damn Steiners and their mergers.
>>97970876If they got the Nova Cat treatment it would be entirely Clan Snow Raven’s fault. Even during the Reunification Wars the Draconis Combine and the Federated Suns didn’t go ooga booga and start killing the Outworlds Alliance.
>>97971044They would probably lose at this point. The Steiners are fucked and the Cappies are about to blow their load fighting Alaric. The FWL is stronger than it's been in a century.
>>97971096DC and FS literally did start occupying outworlds alliance territory during the reunifaction war.
>>97971130Occupying their worlds is not equivalent to the shit the Federated Suns were doing to the Taurian Concordat. Whether that boils down to the largely pacifistic nature of the Outworlds Alliance vs the suicidal stubbornness of the Concordat or the general contempt the Great Houses had for the Periphery I don’t know.
>>97971158Snow raven isn't nuking OA cities or throwing their citizens in ovens either.They've effectively usurped the OA administration through political maneuvering and became the sole real power in the area.
>>97971158>>97971130The only reason the Dracs only occupied the planets of the Ooutworlds Alliance and not bombed them to kingdom come, was because the whole of the Outworlds Alliance military consisted of 3 mechs and a jeep.
>>97970965Last I heard they were begging for scraps from the other clans because they didn't have the resources and technology to maintain their own shit in the alliance they sort of took over but live wholly separate segregated lives in the same region as and were baiting a fight with both the great houses on their borders but especially Davion. Since they're conveniently completely segregated its no loss if someone deletes the clan and we're consistently losing clans every era.But yeah,they do have Warships, most of which are non functional due to lack of materials and technology to maintain them.
>>97971287They also just nuked a populated Capellan city, permanently pissing off the Liaos.
>>97969694I found Thunderbolt missiles kind of underwhelming. Basically just a Gauss rifle but not as good. Granted I haven't used them a lot, but that was my first impression.
>>97970024Whenever a new chassis drops they release it on the site for real $$$. Drops for cbills like 6 months later. (Sunder pre order is up and drops June Patch).Most months they either drop a mech pack or "legend" mech. (Most of these will become MC mechs after like 5 or 6 months as well). Some are OP on launch others are literal dogshit that gets buffed later. Current Arrow Meta result of Naga release showing that the missile itself was dogshit at first and would just straight up miss direct line of sight locked targets. They preemptively over buffed the March "Annihilation" pack arrow mechs thinking it would be shit like the Naga. (The ones in this pack actually drop for cbills later unlike pure MC like most legends)
>>97970689It was till Arsenal released and Wizards dropped all non-mtg card games they made.
>>97970931Spin the wheel!
>>97971321Pretty much. Main advantage is on the construction side of things at 4 tons lighter and half as many crit slots, they aren't as punishing to mount. They're really more comparable to a heavy PPC, trading heat for a wider min bracket and AMS susceptibility.
>>97971321>>97969694They can finally make use of missile guidance systems under the most recent set of rules.So now you can walk into a city and have your BA tag mechs on the other side of that level 2 building for your Thud20.
>>97971326Given how flexible they are with mech builds for the most part most mechs can be evaluated like skins +/- a couple percent from a slightly more optimal quirk.I'm strongly opposed to locking new weapons and weapon types behind paywalls for 6months - especially if you as a non buyer player can't even see the weapon stats and doubly so if they're OP.Like what, the game just sucks for 6months and then hopefully the next weapon they invent turns out to not be overpowered as fuck? (Yes, they also invent new weapons such as the C-Beam). Was the C-Beam also restricted to like 2 mechs on launch?
What kind of missile is the Arrow IV? Cruise? ballistic?
So, 4/6/0 with ISXLFE or 3/5/3 with standard?
>>97971409Mech hitboxes and mount locations absolutely matter, it’s what makes some chassis way better than others. Being able to peek over a hill or around a corner and expose little of yourself as possible while still being able to shoot is extremely important. Mechs without lower arm actuators tend to be better because of this IMO because their arm weapons almost always end up higher than mechs with lower arm actuators. And if you don’t torso lock your arm weapons to sync them up with the torso weapons you are a psycho anyways. Lower arm actuators aren’t that useful.
>>97971576Similar in principle to a cruise missile. Can even be air launched from aerospace.
>>97971609Always 3/5/3 with standard.
>>97971576A heavy short range dual purpose SAM/ATGM, each missile is about 200kg, not nearly long enough range to be a cruise missile or ballistic missile.
The is no situation where you're unhappy to have a Griffin 2N. It's the ultimate do-everything-decent mech.
>>97971774What if I'm playing in an era where my faction doesn't have access to it via the MUL? What Griffin do I take then?
>>97971799Then you're extra happy, because you have a special mech.
>>97971799You don't play that game because anyone who suggests that it's a straightjacket on what Mechs you're """allowed""" to have is a hobbyless faggot you don't want to play with. This isn't 40k. The MUL isn't a codex, and it's not the be all and end all of unit availability.
>>97971799>>97971840This is why you should paint clan widowmaker celestials and take them to 3025 games.
>>97971635>>97971679Or to be precise its a precision guided, dumb fire, fire and forget, surface/air launched, tactical nuclear, fire dispensing, laser countering, interceptor, flare, mine deployment, air to air, smoke dispensing, fuel air bomb, surface attack artillery depending on which warhead you use.The Arrow IV launcher is considered a compact cruise missile platform based on the description of the cruise missile but really it covers a whole host of other functions as well.>>97971774Griffin 2N is arguably the best of the Royal mediums. Absolutely phenomenal trooper design that blows the other 55 tonners out the park for its era.>>97971799Griffin is Griffin!
>>97971840I have a King Crab painted in my Merc colors and in the MUL the mercs doesn't have access to the 0000 which i usually field in 3025 when the need arises.As long as it meets the common sense you can just field whatever. I've seen people field lancelots in their merc companies and no one gives a shit.
>>97971881The MUL is good for 3 things:1: calculating BV for your forces2: deciding what colors to paint your mechs in if you’re undecided. So if you’re like “I have this Marauder, but “my dudes” already have a marauder, so which other factions were using this marauder during the time period that I like?”3) building “theme” lances.
>>97971881King Crab 0000 is a IS general design and the old combat manual mercenaries has it listed as available so there is no reason for it to not be used by a merc. Hell some mercenary units listed have access to the 000 model during the late Succession Wars.MUL has never really been the best concrete chart if you want something for determining what is and isn't available and more or less a guideline for as >>97971917 said.
>>97971409Last batches of new weapons (Beams, Tbolts, xpulse, pacs, and lacs) all released free available to all mechs with the hardpoints. The new Railguns and Arrows are hard locked to certain chassis because they don't want to balance that shit for every mech having them. It definitely sucks that they lock them behind a paywall for 6 months. But at the very least they will be giving a bunch of the arrow and railgun mechs out for cbills later onKeep in mind the only guy we have working on MWO was previously one of the cauldron guys that got hired by PGI as an artist. No official coder so railgun locked slots for example are very jankily added
>>97971377Which rules are those? The most recent errata to Tacops just says you can turn them into OS or iOS launchers.
>>97971851>clan widowmaker celestials and take them to 3025 games.>Deliberate maximally bad faith interpretation of what was said
>>97971851Tournaments should take one person like you and sacrifice them to the dice gods before beginning. You’re too retarded to play with the big kids.
>>97972063He's talking about the as yet to be released rules changes.
>>97971945>>97971881
>>97972169Why the hell would ComStar hire them and invest loads of good mechs in them?
>>97972169Don’t disagree with the sentiment that Mercs can have a King Crab but the Legion are Com Guard flunkies, not a typical outfit.
>>97972189They love having disposable goons to do their dirty work in place of the Guard. The Mechs accompany the heavy training they invested.
>>97972189Plausible deniability If ComStar wants to make some “problematic” element go away, and it’s too big a job than what operators like ROM are for. You could send in the ComGuard, but that’s announcing to everyone that ComStar was involved and may have to explain why. But, send in some mercenaries, kitted out with the good stuff to ensure mission success, and now, regardless of if they succeed or fail, all anyone is going to see is some randos ganking another group of randos. So for ComStar, if asked they can say: “well we don’t know what that was all about, had nothing to do with us. We’re just the phone company”
>>97972169You forgot the 15th Dracon, Illician Lancers and the faction lists on page 114.
>>97972116>>97971799Ha. Look at contrarian anon, still going.>REEEEE FUCK YOU NO FUN FOR YOU YOU CANT USE THAT OR THAT OR THAT Fucking dumbshit must get sooooooo many games with that 'attitude'.
https://www.reddit.com/r/battletech/comments/1t04ht9/community_safety_concern/>We recently came across some deeply troubling content posted by someone who began to contribute regularly here in the last few weeks, looking to recruit local players to his area. He was posting blatant white supremacist content (using Hitler as his pfp, no less), showing off his gun collection while making threats about people local to him, encouraging white Americans to rise up and destroy their enemies, and he clearly -- even according to himself -- isn't "thinking straight right now." His recent online activity makes him look like a clear threat to others and himself, and we don't want our community to be why and how he draws anyone in closer.>If you considered joining a new BattleTech group near Cedar Rapids, Iowa, please reconsider. I encourage you to reach out via ModMail if you require screenshots of his abhorrent content instead of taking our word for it, but frankly we can't repost it here or we'd be violating Reddit's rules as well as our own about keeping our community safe.Which one of you did this?
(Behind closed doors on Terra, weeks before Minoru Kurita starts the first succession war)> Davion: “Look, Liao, we both know you’re not a good fit for first lord”> Liao: “I think I might have a shot”> Davion: “you really don’t, you lack the troops and the industry to hold both the title and the Confederation and you know it. So let’s stop the games and cut to the chase, what would it take to get you to back me for first lord?”> Liao: “… I want more trade along the FedSun/Cappellan border”> Davion: “done”> Liao: “-and there’s several worlds from the St. Ives and Chesterton Commonality you took that I’d want returned”> Davion: “you’re busting my balls here”> Liao: “you want my support or not?”> Davion: “fine”> Liao: “and an apology, a public apology”> Davion: “for what? Taking those planets? Are you serious”> Liao: “no, their return will be apology enough, no I’m talking about the Opium War.”> Davion: “you’re joking? That was 950 years ago! The Federated Suns didn’t even exist back then!”> Liao: “947, but you claim ties to the English royal family, so you carry their shame for that. Which there are many Cappellans that are still carrying grudges over”> Davion: “you’re full of shit, there’s no way anyone even cares”> Liao: “then what difference does it make? Say the apology and be done with it”> Davion: “fuck you”
>>97972506>He was posting blatant white supremacist content (using Hitler as his pfp, no less), showing off his gun collection while making threats about people local to him, encouraging white Americans to rise up and destroy their enemiesAbsolutely based. We need more Battletech players like this guy.
>>97972544How believable is this exchange?
>>97972544Wasn't the first Liao not even a real Chinese but Nepal or something?
>>97972584The first Liao was born in Hong Kong, named Elias, and was half-English.
I was going through the Clan mech list, it is actually funny how prolific some Clans are with mech design and some basically have nothing. Snow ravens barely have Aerospace designs, they use other clans stuff.
>>97972506>He was posting blatant white supremacist content (using Hitler as his pfp, no less), showing off his gun collection while making threats about people local to him, encouraging white Americans to rise up and destroy their enemiesHoly fucking mother of BASED what a damn KING
>>97972660> Snow ravens barely have Aerospace designs, they use other clans stuff.Well, yeah, CSR are all about the spaceships. Any Mech forces they have are functionally marines, “space marines” if you will. They’re gonna build their whole touman then like a marine expeditionary force.
>>97972699>snow birbs stealing more ships for there nest hoardGreedy fucking birds
>>97972601Perfidious fucking Albion strikes again
Rate my 300 Point Spirit Cats force. I'm trying to fluff it as a Republic Clan garrison force that broke away to follow Kev Rosse after the HPG Blackout, so roughly 3133-ish. The idea is a Star that's all IIC garrison mechs that they took with them after defecting, supported by a pair of tanks they've managed to acquire following their first few battles in the Dark Age. As the DA is more focused on combined arms and Battlemechs were more rare, I wanted to include some vehicles alongside my mechs.
>>97972506Based. Few burgers still got balls and tip.
>>97972169In before my handful.
>>97972792Seems fluffy enough. If the Nova Cats have any IIC/second line units canonically I'd toss one of those in for extra lore goodness but I've no idea if they got any
>>97972884>If the Nova Cats have any IIC/second line units canonically I'd toss one of thoseThere's the Arbalest but I hate the design of the Arbalest and would be loathe to purchase one if I'm honest :/
What is the primary rulebook to pick up now? Was told Total war, but it seems to no longer be the case and is no longer sold?
>>97972884At the time he's talking about, the Spirit Cats are one battalion of real mechs and two battalions of MOD's with conventional and infantry support. The real mechs they have are also a grabbag of IS and Clanner and mixed weights with the main guy second in command driving a Firestarter. They could have a unit like he listed, but it would be the absolute elite of their forces.
>>97972929It’s… probably going to be the “core rulebook” soon.
>>97972929It technically still is Total Warfare, CGL are just bad at keeping it in stock. But there's a new book coming that was very imaginatively called the Core Rulebook that will be starting a new rules set. They say it'll replace TW and BMM, but it's really just BMM since it will only have mechs and BSP assets. I'd pirate TW now and wait for whatever real rulebook following "Core" has all the basic unit types.
>>97972929A new book called Battletech: Core Rules is coming out this year, hopefully August but I suspect later. It will have full complete rules for Battlemech vs Battlemech combat, and simplified "asset" rules for non mech units like tanks, infantry, etc.Total Warfare is pretty badly organized, and I wouldn't bother getting it if it costs you any money at all. Honestly, I wouldn't even bother pirating it, as it's unpleasant to use. A vehicle focused book will follow the Core Rulebook in the next few years with rules for non-mech units.The BattleMech Manual currently exists, and is the easy rulebook to use for mech vs mech combat, but it's getting entirely replaced by the Core Rulebook.
>>97972699> Any Mech forces they have are functionally marines,Does that mean Clan Snow Raven is the clan most likely to actually deploy ground infantry to combat engagements?Since a soldier is going to take up way less space on a ship than any mech or combat vehicle?
>>97972954Nah, they field Elementals just like everyone else.
>>97972952>>97972944>>97972939So pick up something like Strat operations for my shelf at least now? Or maybe another of the rulebook series?
>>97972992Are you new to the franchise as a whole?
>>97972952I really hope the Core Rulebook doesn't become Total Warfare 2.0 in terms of readability. I'd legit be happy if they were to split rules for each unit type into their own books i.e. one for mechs, one for combat vehicles, one for aerospace etc that way you are not having to jump through large sections of irrelevant content in order to get the information you want for the units you actively want to use.
>>97972954Yes and no. Hells horses is the regular infantry clan at least in the most prominent roles. The space marine role for SR is still mainly filled by unarmoured elementals, but they are slowly starting to equip them with PAL Aeriehttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/Clan_Space_Marinehttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/Aerie_(Battle_Armor)However where infantry is really present still is R teams. It can be a mix of either them in BA or it is an Infantry point depending on the role. But still with Ravens you really are only going to see the space marines in a front line combat role.Though from what I am gathering, the Clan Watch may be working on Spec Ops troopers again, so could see that stuff happening soon enough.To sum it up, you want heavy Conventional infantry forces, Hells Horses tend to be the ones to do it.
>>97973006Passingly familiar with it with Mechwarrior, did not even know there was a tabletop game so interested, though I live out in the boonies so no Game store around.
>>97972938>At the time he's talking about, the Spirit Cats are one battalion of real mechs and two battalions of MOD's with conventional and infantry support.Yeah basically. I want a force that's fun to play but still fluffy. I've a ton of Clan mechs, some Society mechs and WoB mechs laying about but it felt wrong for a Republic Splinter to have those at all or in the earliest days of the Dark Age, but garrison mechs supported by tanks and, eventually once I've picked them up, infantry and a little Battle Armor feels far more appropriate.
>>97973025I'd use the links in the OP rather than buy any rulebooks at the moment considering that rules on several things are about to change.
>>97973016It will be pretty much updated BMM+Battlefield Assets, and the full rules for the vehicles and stuffs will be released later (year+)
>>97973038>>97972938>At the time he's talking about, the Spirit Cats are one battalion of real mechs and two battalions of MOD's with conventional and infantry support.nta but they're merely said to have 8 Trinaries in total of mixed equipment. I don't believe their exactly equipment disposition is ever described quite as clearly as you state in 3133 to 3136.If you can quote the exact page/book, please let me know as I'm curious now.
>>97973041Alright, I will go ahead and just pick up some recognition guides then for my shelves and wait on the rulebooks later.
>>97972938>the Spirit Cats are one battalion of real mechs and two battalions of MOD's with conventional and infantry supportWrong. 1 Keshik2 Clusters. Era Digest Dark Age says 8 Trinaries.
>>97973067NTA, but trinaries can have MODs, conventionals, and infantry. Seems unlikely, but you can make a Point of any of them and a Star of any Points and a Trinary of any Stars.
>>97972938Exact force dispositions are never provided for Dark Age-era splinter factions. >>97972792If you're fluffing it toss in some shitty IS mechs or MODs but also another vehicle or two, perhaps a light tank or support hover craft of some sort and BA. Lots of infantry and BA.
>>97968821Brother the Scorpions snacked on enough periphery powers at thsi point to have 4 times the territory and ten times the population of the clan homeworlds combined.
>>97972792Drop the Marauder IIC down to 4 like everyone else and add this lil nigga in. Ain't a Dark Age List without an Industrial Mech or 2!
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>>97973105>Exact force dispositions are never provided for Dark Age-era splinter factions.ED:DA RAT's suggest 13/48 rolls are for MOD's for all splinters that aren't Stormhammers/Highlanders/RAF and only 8/48 get you unique rides to those other splinters. I gotta go dig around, and it may be just the detachment that goes after Tucker in Target of Opportunity, but I could have sworn something was listed about proportions somewhere.
>>97973059If you want a lore book to look nice and admire, I recommend Battletech: Universe. It's basically a full lore primer on the setting, loads of art, makes a decent coffee table book.
>>97973154>. I gotta go dig around, and it may be just the detachment that goes after Tucker in Target of Opportunity, but I could have sworn something was listed about proportions somewhere.Please do, because "suggests" really ain't a lot to go on. I know nothing about exact force layouts and talk of what each battalion/cluster/division is made up of is nothing something I've seen in early Dark Age products.
>>97973166>is made up of is nothing something I've seen in early Dark Age products.*not something I've seen
>>97973154>ED:DA RAT's suggestLolLmao, even
>>97972938Spirit Cats, in fact all the Dark Age breakaway factions, are much bigger than 3 battalions. Stop making shit up.
What mech would a large breasted milf pilot?
>>97973254Crusader
>>97973254Malak
>>97973166>>97973168In Target of Opportunity, we get Pouncer Trinary of the Purifiers. It's composed of a Warhammer IIC, a Blackhawk Standard, an IS Locust, and two modified industrialmechs for the command star. Then there's a full star of armor including a behemoth, scimitar mk II and condor, plus elementals, at least one Donnar VTOL and some kind of artillery support. You have to read through multiple battles to piece it together, but the bulk of it starts when the Spirit Cats park in the capital after defeating Knight Holt about halfway through.
>>97973254Predator.
Given how they're cheaper, faster and easier to produce, the Dark Age is the era that should have led to the large scale acceptance and use of Protomechs.
>>97973315Ok?Nothing there proves your "they've only 3 battalions" claim though (in fact other anons have already disproven it). It is interesting to hear they've a mix of MODs, IS and Clan mechs in a command Star however.
>>97973356That would make too much for Battletech authors to write.
>>97973356The tech for developing them is pretty advanced and hard to manufacture, and without HPGs to transmit them, proliferating it would've been very hard.
>>97973356Except the part where Protomechs are garbage.
>>97973384Are they garbage enough that protomechs vs armed industrialmechs is fun?
>>97973384Ok buddy>>97973380Not advanced for the Clans. Both Wolf and Nova Cat used 'em therefore Steel Wolves and Spirit Cats would know about them.>>97973380True :(
>>97973356They also cause irreversible brain damage and an inevitably terminal discipline problem when the pilot develops the mother of all god complex.
>>97973356I can see the logic with their cost, time to produce etc but Protomechs and their production sites 100% would have been a victim of Stones disarmament policies.In addition, with mechs hard to aquire but still present in the setting during the Dark Age, not to mention IndustMechs being common enough, I can't see any Clan/Pseudo Clan dedicating their limited Military resources towards production of Protos.
>>97973367Yeah, I was thinking the original 3 units. Still, it tells you they only got 3 real mechs in a whole Trinary of a line unit. That would be pretty close to mathing out at scale. The only other one I can think of would be maybe Pandora's Gambit? That might have something similar.
>>97973401A small price to pay for the use of the kino that is a Protomech.>>97973412Why waste time making 5 mechs from scratch when you can make 15 Protomechs for the same cost? Plus, DA is more combined arms focused so they'd work well with the armies of the time
>>97973416>Yeah, I was thinking the original 3 unitsThat makes more sense. No worries. Happens.
>>97973417>Why waste time making 5 mechs from scratch when you can make 15 Protomechs for the same cost?This insanely simple math problem was why Protos (sadly) had to be largely removed from/limited in use in setting as it, realistically, left the Clans no reason to still use full mechs. Shame. I love protos.
>>97973432The reason is that one mech will fight 25 protomechs to a standstill.
>>97973432Yes, hello, I would like a unit that moves faster than 4/6 while also carrying enough gun to do double digit damage per turn.
>>97973460>Yes, helloReddit speak. Kys.
>>97973432They hated him, for he spoke the truth.
>>97973467I wouldn't know, I don't go there. But since you're so familiar, maybe you should go back and stay there.
>>97973471>I don't go thereWe all know wbat you are (P)redditer.
>>97973384You're garbage! >:(
>>97973356>Fans come up with better, more interesting lore for Battletech than the actual Battletech writersMany such cases.
>>97973496Protomechs aren't interesting though.
>>97973384Why are they bad specifically?
>>97973499>Contrarian anonSuck a dick, Contrariananon
!!!NEW THREAD!!!>>97973519>>97973519>>97973519!!!NEW THREAD!!!
>>97973517I'm actually map campaign anon. Point stands though, protos are just typical "neural controlled" mechs awkwardly jammed into battletech
>>97973517>>97973524>AvatarfaggotryBoth of you must die.
>>97973384Svartalfa 3 says hello
>>97973401Yep, and all that for what exactly?A mediocre halfway of a halfway.Since the Protomech is, functionally, a halfway between BA and a full mech. But BA is already a halfway between a mech and conventional infantry. Meaning that either the Protomech is trying to be a cheap substitute for a full battlemech, which a BA squad does better, or it’s trying to be a super-BA, at which point why not just field a mech? So what you have is this… thing, that’s trying to fill a niche that is already being filled by 2 better choices. So the protomech is, ultimately, something fielded only out of desperation, or indecision.
>>97973560>Yep, and all that for what exactly?Cheaper light mechs or better BA, depending on how you look at it. Hell's Horses have it right. They're a part of the overall army, not a replacement for any one piece of it.
>>97973356Isn’t the main issue with the Protomech besides the permanent brain damage it will inevitably give you (meaningless to a clan warrior but probably important to a spheroid) that you need a very specific body shape to be an ideal protomech pilot?
>>97973654That's more an extra space saving measure, especially since protomechs approach light mech weight.
>>97971917Mekbay does that and more without being turbo-dogshit in the process, MUL doesn’t even serve a purpose at this point.
>>97972362I know it's hard for you to understand, what with being a nogames and all, but people *do* play games with Era, and sometimes Faction, restrictions
