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Metal Terminator Chaplain. Still the best terminator model and best chaplain model.
>>97997020collector's one is better
I'm not buying the Armageddon box.
>TQthis was my first
>>97997018Embarrassing display, perryfag
Anyone have any tournament reports?
>>97997020Ugly ass christmas tree for fake grogs
Let Chaos idols take this thread!
>>97997037Indeed!
>>97997008
>>97997033nice try perryfag, stick to /wfg/ you bald manlet >>97997018
>>97997028nta, but i've got the collectors one but i still prefer the metal termie chap.
>>97997030I'm buying 2. Or more accurately two halves, I guess.
Me and my friends are going to play our first ever session over tabletop sim, 4v4 with 1k point armies, any general tips or advice? All of us are completely new to the tabletop game itself
Winning with a themed army is hard when you force yourself not to use some units
>>97997056You're going to rerget playing a 4k game as your first game.you really should be doing 1k 1v1's to start out if anything.
>>97997055What's with the pic? I dun geddit
>>97997008Johny is the hero we don't deserve.
>>97997056>All of us are completely new>playan a 4v4Lol, lmao even. Warm up with some 2v2s, learn the game first and then combine down the road for a 4v4
>>97997066>2v2sOops meant 1v1s*, 2 player games
>>97997008>thread question:>What's your favourite old metal model?I ordered the MTO metal badrukk, so I guess him, but I do have these two grots I bought during a swap meet that are pretty cute. does anyone know where they’re from though? I tried looking it up by describing them, and later going through the lexicanum, but I came up with nothing.
>>97997062The promo pics for the armageddon boyz show that even though they're basic push fit models, they are not monopose as they are designed to have parts interchange to create at least two unique builds per model. The color coding shows a "basic" build and then where the parts for that build are reused in alternative builds.
>>97997056Don't play a free for all with 4 people. In all seriousness, play a small game with a friend using index rules to focus on learning the basic gameplay and how everything functions. Then use codexes(codices)
>>97997030>acquire two boxes>sell two halfs I don't want>reap the wardsProblemo?
Tau detachments when? I want to know if Farsight Enclaves will continue to be shit, or if they will be viable like they were before.
>>97997081Ah nice, it's still not the same as the posability of the old limb joints but that's better than pure monopose>>97997091I wonder how many mahreen halves we'll be seeing on the second hand market
I like orks :D>>97997062rainbow orks :D colors show the interchangeability of the bits, yellow represents the shoota on shoulder bit, but can be swapped with the tactical rock and hopping squig legs as an example
>>97997103>wonder how many mahreen halves we'll be seeing on the second hand markethopefully a lot, I want to buy a set for cheap as a side project
>>97997103There's always going to be a demand for basic Marine units, so as long as they're launch-box-cheap they'll sell
I think they should give breaching tools/weapons to Gravis Units. I think what put me off them for so long is them being obvious off brand Terminators, big beefy Space Marines with big guns. But role wise, Termimators are a bit more inherently special forces, from needing Terminator Honors and Veteran Status to get a chance to become one. The more “easy to replace” nature of Gravis means you can much easier justify using them to plug a hole in a fortification but having them stand shoulder to shoulder in it, or plug the whole the opposite way with a full frontal assault on a fortification’s hole, with them covering the advance of troops behind them. You could use them to bring back the Astartes/Combat Shields too.
>>97997150Aggressors should have been shield and chainfist/ bolter/flamer dudes rather than Temu firebats.
Does anyone know any good proxies for Pink/Blue/Brimstone horrors?They're way too goofy for me. I want fucked up eldrich/horror shit
>>97997008>TQASDRUBAEL VECT ON THE DAIS OF DESTRUCTION
>>97997169Anon, you cannot choose what your minis look like. Only GW has that right. Otherwise your aggressors will end up looking like Votann(R) Hearthguard TM
Why are people hating on the marine side of the new box? It's gonna be the more sought after since there are so many marine players. I hope
>>97997058Winning with a themed army is hard when your theme is basically "these guys wouldn't be able to do shit against tanks IRL"
>>97997188dude stop being a dick
>>97997188Very nice models, terrible basing
>>97997008Green Knight.Oh, did you want 40k?Um. Wait, I'll think of something...
>>97997197He's right thoughbeit, how's he being a dick? GW have made poor choices with units and minis for a long time now
>>97997206Got it.The Vostroyan Banner Dude.
>>97997207we should recolonize where you live as you clearly are a failure.
>>97997211Based, I was thinking along the lines of old IG metals too. Has to be Straken for me tho, Catachans were my entry to 40K
>>97997055The ork half already comes with 20 boyz though? You’ll be repeating models like crazy.
Do you paint named characters to match /yourguys/ or in their canon color schemes?
>>97997008This tau pathfinder with railrifle was always the coolest shit to me.
>>97997206It's such an insanely beautiful model and it's still crazy to think Perry sculpted this thing one-handed. Literally a legendary piece of GW history.
>>97997206Don't sully the Perry Brothers. They are better than everyone here and in /wip/. And that's before the historical maiming that they recovered from.
>>97997184are the slaves meant to be human or elves?
>>97997008>TQThe 3rd edition metal nobs are just really good.
>*farts in your thread*
>>97997243both
>>97997215You still have yet to explain how either of us are wrong or why you're sucking off James so much
>>97997221Given how modular the sprue seems to be, even if there are only two intended builds per boy, I doubt it will take much effort to bash them into new ones, and even if it is, weapon and head swaps will be easier and doable, and even if I'm somehow wrong about that, I'm not shy about putting in the work to fix monopose.
>>97997251>tfw still have them but missing the waagh banner
>>97997008>tqThis guy
>>97997229I was sad to sell my metal pathfinders, but it was part of a big lot of Tau and I thought they'd be a good draw card that'd attract interest to easier sell the bunch (it worked)
>>97997268Sorry for your loss.
>Ork rules badOrks are le glass cannons faction that get armywide 5+ invulnerable saves alongside 5+FNP's for basic shit for having some cheap characters and using army/detachment rules.
>>97997184>bodyguardHand of the archon kit would be awesme if they actually looked like this>slaves have erect nipsNice
>>97997081People wont be satisfied until they have doll-style ball-points
I'm somewhat glad the red terror is ordinary, shits too expensive now
>>97997055The only pose I am not a fan of are those ones where they shoulder the shoota. If they were shouldering it backwards It would look better, but the way they are currently shouldering it looks stupid.
>>97997008>What's your favourite old mtal model?USHABTI
johnny mentioned
>>97997301dude the infestation of scalpers is terrible.
>WELL I THOUGHT I HEARD THE CHAPLIN SAY>LEAVE HER JOHNNY LEAVE HER
Why does Tau lore get retconned every other book?
What the fuck am I painting for the Big Dudes collage>Baneblade>Knight Destrier>Revenant Titan
>>97997206Thinking of getting this guy in recast and having him be my only metal model, genuinely love him THAT much. t. newfag who started at end of 9th
>>97997360I got a Russian recast (many years ago, long before TOW was announced) and it was such slop quality I just bought him from GW since they're selling him again. He's not that cheap, but 43 bucks to get a great sculpt from the source isn't that bat.https://www.warhammer.com/en-WW/shop/kingdom-of-bretonnia-the-green-knight-2024
>>97997311Correct but not 40K
>>97997076Use the handy index of nearly every GW print catalog to look up old minis. http://www.solegends.com/citcat2004us/c2004usp0239-01.htm
talk me out of painting my army white
>>97997076damn bro those nobz look like shit :D
>>97997413Unless it's White Scars, just don't?
>>97997413it will look terrible because you are painting it
>>97997413they'll have undeserved privilege
>>97997420That was really rude, anon. You shouldn’t say things like that.
>>97997413Many faggots will try to convince you to paint it 'light grey' and then highlight it with white. Do not do this because then your army will just be grey instead of white and their advice is bad and they should feel bad.
>>97997184>Skulls on a throneI wonder if Khorne is bitter about sticking to his code of "honor" that he doesn't patent the concept of a skull throne and sue everybody trying to rip it off (i.e. Vect and the Emperor). Next thing you know is Dark Eldar go out and say ''skulls for the master of commoragh'' or some shit like that just like some sisters getting caught saying ''skulls for the golden throne''
>>97997427stay in wip with this braindead bait faggot
>>97997427>tfw you realise when you paint a model you're not actually making it that colour, you're actually just gluing millions of tiny rocks to the outside of the model
>>97997438>tiny rocksPigment isn't always rock-based thoughbeit?
>>97997435Stop posting bad advice on 4chan constantly just because its your pet opinion. This website is so terrible now because people learn all their shit from reddit posts from 2012 and repeat "life hacks" or financial/career advice that stopped being relevant in 2009 like it's the hottest new shit.
>>97997439What does that word have to do with the context of model painting?
>>97997468Painting pure white (or black) is bad advice, correct. Please stop repeating it
>>97997471don't respond to ithe literally doesn't even know what the term means, he's using a he probably just learned from /pol/ two days ago and thinks it sounds funny
Top: finishedMiddle: to be washed, highlighted, decalsBottom: First Claw kitbash I made last night
>>97997468Opinions > facts
>>97997427
>>97997510Top came out a bit fuzzy
>>97997410very handy indeed, thank you so much for looking now I wish he sold the telescope grot to me>>97997417I know. I don’t think I’m built for painting yellow D:
Warboss is mega armor with uge choppa.
>>97997542why is he brown?
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>97997563he's part space wolf
>>97997563Its actually a really dsrk green that looks brown in that lighting/camera. IRL looks a nearly black green.
>>97997563The lootaboy is part snakebites, only goes for the choppiest of choppas rather than looting enemy dakka.
>>97997510looks good anon
I will confess something, i prefer to be a spectator, it's more fun to see others build and paint and kitbash (in ork's case). I wish you hobbyists a good night and god bless you.
>>97997008It's pretty hard to place but it's between this and Diaz's Emperor's Champion.
I miss the orders mechanic.
>>97997680
>>97997091Depends on the half and the price. Last box, the nids half sold for like $80.
>>97997008>What's your favourite old mtal model?Either the end ed Avatar or the 3rd ed Daemon Prince. Still the best 40k models to this day.
> people call me contrarian when i said mk8 is peak> yet now they want mk10 with mk7 helmet> aka big boi mk8WELL WELL WELL isnt it good to be vindicated
>>97997720> reddit spacingReturn
how do you guys paint stuff that sits on a big base or an oval base?I'm trying to paint something on an oval cavalry base but it's too big for my paint handle and really awkward to hold. It's liable to come off the sticky tack and tip over
>>97997008>TQMy dream is to one day own an original Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau but when they sell for like $200 its really hard to justify. Maybe if I get a raise or something.
>>97997008> warsmith> sternguard> kasrkin> lelithI think i could name a top 10
>>97997510god I love beakies man
>>97997542This is clearly a black ogryn
>>97997732Just hold the base? The point of painting handles is that individual dude bases smaller than 50mm can be awkward to hold and slip out of your grip/get paint on your fingers, but these issues don't really exist with larger bases.
>>97997732Use mounting tape, or even superglue it on.Twist it off dont rip it off if you superglue it onto the handle.
>>97997468you are too stupid to be left alive
>>97997738At that point I'll just take a third party "parody model" of him like an STL.I did the same when it came to the wizard with machine gun metal model GW once sold a long time ago.
>>97997783yeah but wizard with machine gun was a limited edition in the first place, Obiwan was a main release and there should be a much higher supply. fucking hate "collectors" that just hoard unpainted lead as "investments".
>>97997787Don't forget spiteful exes and the like. I was friends with an old bri'ish grog who worked for GeeDubs back in the day and he had an impressive collection of old stuff, but said that a wife had taken a solid half of it to trash when they divorced. Rip all that OOP metal
>>97997732I paint everything in subassemblies and basically only attach models to bases once they're nearly or completely done.
>>97997008Yeah
fun fact: listing items on ebay for presale (scalping faggots do this all the time) goes against TOS and you can get those listings nuked with a single reportdo your duty anytime you see 40k boxes marked with presale to fuck this subhuman faggots out of hundreds of dollars for trying to turn this into MtG and pokemon
>>97997008this doll is the coolest
>>97997828Yeah?
>>97997834Couldn't GW just make more miniatures? I do get the feeling that GW has never really wanted to sell anything at all.
>>97997846Do you not understand business and supply? Serious question
>>97997846They’re waiting on another factory to open. They could go to China and get 8 million more minis made but last time they dipped their toe into that COVID happened and they got burned hard. Plus they’re oddly patriotic about their British manufacturing.
>>97997858>Do you not understand business and supply? Serious questionIts possible, but this screenshot is from their front page.
>>97997882artifical scarcity means when they do go in stock they get INSTANTLY bought up. Its just like rolex or other luxury products. You pretend you can only make so many, so scalpers and customers are literally sitting there fiending to buy because of FOMO. Also this isn't intentional its just because GW has too many model lines for too small a production capacity, but it works out in their favor.
>>97997175there's a guy that did cuboid floating objects that was well painted and converted, but i can't find and pics.besides that, i've seen a few people shave and fill the eyes and use more muted colours.
>>97997897forgor image
>>97997882So clearly the answer is no. For a start, a business has to juggle their resources (raw materials, production facilities) with estimated demand and come up with some figure of how many units of a given product they're going to make, and this is all speculative because who truly knows how well it will actually sell and limited by how much they can produce within a certain amount of time. Then once they've decided all that a price can be calculated based on whatever profit margin they set, considering manufacturing costs. Manufacturing more in the one load isn't a straightforward simple multiplication, it may involve the need to open/engage with new production facilities, spiking the cost considerably and ruining their profit margin. GW will manufacture more but later when they can, just not right now. The recent fad of James selling out on preorders is also due to the scalpers ofc, they will just preorder the shit out of things trying to make their own profit of the companies' backs.
space king is 1d4chan-adjacent
>>97997882so is the stompa good now and that's why it's out of stock.
Are Vallejo True Metallics good? Veen using their Game Colours and they're alright but a bit bland
>>97997882
>>97997896Sniggity snoogity mr. games workshop employeePokemon cards, magic cards, warhammer models are not luxury goods they are hobby shit mostly for kids (pokemans) and no insistence that they are high class luxury goods like a literal Rolex will change that because my used handmedown rolex from grandpa (rip) look got me pussy from a slutty 19yo half-asian chick who thought I was rich once 7 years ago, warhammer models are pussy repellent. Thank you for listening.
>>97997008I like orks :D
>>97997866That's not why. It's because chinks recast shit and sell it for 60% off and GW hates that so they keep manufacturing in the UK/occasionally open a US factory because they don't want the chinese stealing their plastic crack.
Why are there no kings in 40k? It’s all just emperors.
>>97997882>>97997915I should also add that this is just a very basic and rough overview of supply and demand, there are a ton of factors that go into things. Overheads, personnel, storage facilities, transportation of goods etc. etc. "Just make more lol" is incredibly oversimplifying something that a bunch of people are getting paid a motza to organise and execute.
whats a good proxy for a daemon prince for thousand sons? don't care for mutants
>>97997974le supply and le demand is literally fakeCompanies can increase supply at will, but they deliberately don't for (((reasons)))
>>97997979Mhmm, and where's your evidence for that, champ? Also, your age and occupation?
>>97997732I superglue my stuff to the base when painting and then snap it off to paint the base later
>>97997988>noooo wizards and games workshop and nintendo et al HAVE to keep supply low because uhhh they just do you heckin chudThey can literally print more
>>97997979I too am literally retarded and economically illiterate, you are not alone in your struggle
>anon you're insane, there's no way a company would deliberately act maliciously, that's crazy talk>yes i love teflon and 3M products
>>97997972The Silent King.
>>97997976
>>97997979>>97997997Really cool digits
While we did trade a lot of flavor and the feeling of playing a wargame, at least 10th edition 40k is very balan...ACK!
I realize now, I don't want to be chaos, I want to be Guardsman player, specifically all Krieg, and lots and LOTS of tanks.How does that make you feel
>>97997995>>97996440What, you thought a new thread and we'd forget, shitposter-kun?
>>97998012Wow that's so unique and special, next you'll tell us you want to play space marines
>>97998008Jesus nigger this model JUST came out where the fuck did all these defilers come from
What are the rumored shit orks are getting that are refreshes outside of the starter?>>97998006I feel like this would be good for a daemonhost but since those aren’t a thing that get recognized in 40k anymore this should be good too.
>>97998017That's a photo from a tournament. 87 Defilers across 150 players. The " balance " of 40k on full display.
>>97998018>What are the rumored shit orks are getting that are refreshes outside of the starter?I don't know about rumors but you can pretty much guarantee that Lootas, Burnas, Stormboyz, and Nobz are getting redone. Outside of that, couldn't say. Maybe Zagstruk and 3-4 new units.
>>97997055>>97997081>>97997105Do the marines get the same deal or are they cucked like always
>>97998018>What are the rumored shit orks are getting that are refreshes outside of the starter?lootas and burnas, maybe stormboyz, maybe bikeshopefully a couple new units too, maybe a bigger vehicle
>>97997976You can find some good STL's, otherwise the fantasy Morghast are good for conversion fodder.
>>97998024Wait no hold up this shit is AI generated, nice try
>>97997976I feel like you could do something cool with this as a base
>>97998031Nobody knows because it only comes with 10 so they have no reason to show them built in different ways.
Idolposter is growing on me, he actually has models and is a based chaos player
>>97998039No..no it isn't
>>97998041“Would”
>>97998047I just don't like supporting mental illness, that is all
>>97998052Negro you need to look closer, it is so obviously AI genned when you actually look at the details
>>97998059What the fuck are you talking about?
>>97997938>warhammer models are not luxury goodsSays who? You, the salty and poor child?
>>97998063You have to be retarded to not see it when you look closely.
>>97997944That tactic certainly keeps the Chinese from selling recasts. What a colossal win for James.
>>97998067fucking kek every time, the PERSONAL OFFENSE to having his toys criticizedNo retard your plastic isn't worth 200 dollars
They needed to redo the chaplain in terminator armor before anything else.
>>97998071you are a retard mistaking phone AI filter for ai generation. Spiritually you are old.
>>97998090If something completely unnecessary like a set of plastic soldiers or monsters is sold and bought for 200, it's a luxury by definition, even if you personally do not think it's worth that much.
>>97998090no luxury good is worth the price, that's almost a prereq to be a luxury good.
So uh…what do marines have to look forward to except from the box? Also is deathwatch still on the chopping block?
>>97998006SigmarGODS grinning and winning yet again. I didn't even know about this dude but now I kinda want it
>>97998133>look forward toYou space paypigs don't get enough already?!
You should be thanking him.
>>97998184literally who
>>97998041I always wanted to make black legion khayon model and have this be his cat daemon familiar
>>97998184>you should thank a literal cock sucker Please keep the e-celeb shit in /v/ and /tv/
>>97998006I'm feeling it.I like that sculpt.I like the paintjob.I want to know how to mimic that paintjob after getting good at painting. I love green as it can be a colour of life and death so much bros.>>97998012You have made an excellent choice anon.
>>97998184>the Alex Jones of Warhammer fansSued for a ridiculous sum in a show trial and bent over by the fucking Onion, you mean? Not exactly aspirational.
>>97998184this is not how GW works loland there wasnt really any relevant outrage about female custodes
>>97997938are you stupid? luxury goods arent luxury either. their value comes purely from brand name recognition and artificial scarcity, which is exactly what GW does.
>>97998184is this another one of those gay hobby grifters that doesn't even own minis?
>>97998184>>97998199It's honestly cute how these chuds think their scream-crying meltdowns on social media mean anything. They were never being custodes to begin with, and the people who wanted femstodes still bought them
>>97998207the nomodels chuds vs nomodels soiboys squealing match has lasted for 10,000 years
>>97998210>being custodesBuying*
>>97998055it has more than 0 peices of art
>>97998215It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries James Workshop has sat immobile on the Concrete Throne of Nottingham. He is the Master of Warhammer by the will of the goys, and master of like 200 at most employees by the might of his inexhaustible cronies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the creators in the past that held the IP together. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand dollars are sacrificed every day, so that his IP may never truly die.To be a secondary in such times is to be one amongst untold millions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bullshit filled community imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of actually taking part in the hobby and not getting into shitflinging, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of fun and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only culture war. There is no peace amongst the pixels on your screen, only an endless stream of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting ragebaiters
>>97997055How many Boyz you REALLY need for an ork army? Is like 50 enough?
>>97998279I have even less for my orks, but I went lots of vehicles instead
>>97998279120 Boyz is optimal
>>97998191I know nothing of Chaos characters but this dude looks and sounds awesome. I would love to see him and battlecat. Is there something you could proxy run him as?
11th edition genuinely doesn't fell like a new edition. 9th and 10th felt like new editions. The 'vibes' feel off with this one. The armageddon box just feels as if they are doing another battleforce set. On paper, its obviously a new edition. There's a new boxset with two armies of totally new miniatures. What exactly is going on? >its le shitMaybe, but we have similar feelings about every edition to some extent.
>>97998117>eating a succulent chinese meal is a luxury good now>going to mcdonalds for a 2 dollar urger is a luxury good nowFuck off GW.
>>97998299Stop being facetious
>>97998297It's 10.25 disguised as 10.5 disguised as 11.0
>>97998203literally not true at all with high end shit like watches with many complications or a ferrari. They are explicitly better than the average retard digital watch you can afford, and cannot simply be automated in a factory like AUTOCAD 3D printed shit.GW employees or weird fags online who defend them for free trying to pretend a watchmaker with 50 years of experience and the steadiest hands in the world handmaking a 400,000 dollar watch is the same as some plastic shit that GW can shit out forever with ease in their 3D printer with an STL.
>>97998306Perhaps I'm being obtuse instead hmmm?
Finished Cato, still needs small fixes and washes but he is painted and based. Was a very tough mini to paint, the trim was diabolical.
kek rolexes aren't even that expensive as far as Real Luxury Goods go. A middle class lawyer making 200k in a midwestern city can afford this with easy. Even an IT guy making 100k, or a mechanical engineer making 70k can get his ahnds on it.
>>97998279Infantry spam is thematic and cool, but gameplay wise is incredibly cumbersome and involves a lot of micro-management in terms of adding or removing miniatures from a table.Most tables I have seen and used do not have 'spare' space on the side to put dead or undeployed minis. Thus, you have to shove them into you box (usually quickly and in an unarranged manner) lest you lose, step on, or have your miniatures stolen. The latter happens more often than you think. This can be stressful and break up the tempo of the game, and that's assuming you are in an environment you like and are not surrounded by strangers. Keep in mind, you share the hobby with a significant amount of people with mental health and social disorders, so this stuff can be multiplied ten-fold.
>>97998324>There is an entire subculture of people who purchase, idolise and judge others on whether their wrist strap with clock hands was made by walletrobbetsco or tasteless inc.I feel a little less stupid about my own hobbies, thanks.
Trying to figure out how to paint my loyal marines from the starter set, thinking something like this with garden and medieval manuscript themes.
>>97998337watches are cool but unless you make literally milions you have to be a fucking retard to get anything beyond like a 200 dollar seiko or some shit, spending 1% of your income or more on a single fashion accesory is just insane levels of retardation.
>>97998337A good watch is ART, an heirloom, something you can hand down. You can't pass down your warhams to your grandkids.
>>97998355yeah ok archieluxury lmao, go cut your horns off
>>97998355We've literally been talking about OOP models all thread, you consoomer dweeb. Warhams is collectable and appreciates in value too
>>97998355Your grandkids' generation will have a totally different over-priced luxury product to fill the gaping void where their personality should be. They don't need your watch.
>>97998324And all those people can afford GW miniatures. And both, watches and miniatures are completely irrelevant and purely for their own entertainment and enjoyment. A luxury hobby.
>it’s another edition where white scars get nothing
Was there ever a Black Library novel really popular that devs made a model for it complete with rules and shit instead of it being just a unique thing to have?Hard mode:>No Horus Heresy>No Gaunt's Ghosts
>>97998355>You can't pass down your warhams to your grandkids.Says who?
>>97998369eisenhorn though IIRC eisenhorn novels were written originally as a tie-in for the Inquisitor game
>>97998369Gotrek? Hells Last, Calis and Toll?
>Citadel painting supplies are cheaper on GW website than Amazon>Model kits are cheaper on Amazon than GW websiteExplain
>>97998369>devsHuh? But also yes, all tabletop minis come with rules unless they're like the seasonal holiday collectors shit
>>97998329That doesn't really answer my question numbers wise. Also I basically only play at my local games shop and we don't really have animals that steal minis there.
>>97998380Amazon marketplace can decide for what prices they sell.
>>97998386NTA but don't be complacent just because you think your store only contains good eggs, it happens
>>97998368you're space marines, you get everything already
>>97998377>eisenhorn novels were written originally as a tie-in for the Inquisitor gameBut the game came out in 2018 while the book came out in 2001. Unless you're referring to this side game from 2001?
>>97998368why would white scars get anything
>>97998393Anon, what do you think?
>>97998393>[the book that came out in 2001] was written as a tie in for [the side game that came out in 2001]
>>97998364Good watches have been in demand for hundreds of years. It's the kind of thing where you're 80 and you make an engraving "to my grandson, little faggot" and then in another 80 years he gives it to his grandson to remember you. No one is going to pass down plastic doods over 130 years.
>>97998379Isn't Hell's Last an all female squad?>Look up Callis and Toll>AoSThere's no way Age of Sigmar has any lore whatsoever for their setting.
>>97998393dipshit retard nigger
>>97998391>>97998394Death watch has more unique kits than them. Also I just got reminded how fucking awful the upgrade sprue looks nevermind, this faction can stay dead. That’s legit the second worst emblem I’ve seen after space wolves.
>>97998399>No one is going to pass down plastic doods over 130 yearsWhat, just because you said so?
>>97998397>>97998398My brain don't work good when late at night
>>97998402It's not, and apparently there is some novels for AoS too. No clue if they are popular enough to justify a miniature set, or if GW made the set to pretend the novels are popular.
>>97998404>why doesn't my color scheme have 20 unique kitsspace marine players mental illness everyone
>>97998393Fun fact about the old Inquisitor game, if you swap all the rules that use inches to mm the game works perfectly with 40k scale minis.The rules are also easy to find online, go have some fun next weekend guys!
>>97998407I still don't even know what Inquisitor game you're referring to that came out in 2018. The vidya that's not called Inquisitor?
$10 says 11th ED Codexes bring back color scheme ideas for your army.
>>97998379You forgot cado ezechiar, he got two models. One as a standalone another as a set with two other characters.
>>97998399>and then in another 80 years he gives it to his grandson to remember youIn your head this might be real, but in reality, he will just pawn it off to buy Yu-Gi-Oh cards or something similar important
>>97998414Your Diablo clone sir
>>97998008Crab meta>>97998128noun. Something desirable but expensive and that one can live withoutSome things are expensive because they are costly to make (e.g. hand made from expensive materials), and some because the seller sets a high price because they know there will still be buyers (high end brands). Either can be a luxury. A barista coffee is a luxury (compared to e.g. making your own or cheap coffee maker coffee), but it's still a cheap item relative to warhammer. 40k is a luxury, because you don't need toys, and there are cheaper toys.
>>97998368>complaining despite getting models as a minor pallet swap faction>in the same edition where factions like Dark Eldar came out the other end with less units than they came into it withGod Marinepigs are so entitled
>>97998421Gosh, warhammer just has the shittiest fucking games, I swear.
>>97998402>Isn't Hell's Last an all female squad?no
>>97998430Could have fooled me with the tsundere commissar
>>97998421>Warhammer 40,000: Inquisitor: MartyrWhat a truly awful name, that gane did deserve to be forgotten
>>97998432There is still the grizzled veteran and the priest. Or is that supposed to be a woman?
>>97998008CRAB... BATTLE... HNNNGH!
>>97998428It's actually fun
>>97998402Just what rock have you been living under? GW has been churning AoS books out to try justify the End Times debacle.>>97998409>No clue if they are popular enough to justify a miniature setDon't underestimate Marvel fans' standards for lore, plenty of people eat it up with AoS.
I've been away for a while redpill me on why everything has become crab
>>97998444It’s Just how evolution works.
>>97998369Cado gets a new main game kit with rules every time he gets a book
>Called Fulgrim>BLACK TEMPLARSOh okay
>>97998451Considering French is working on Dawn of wars story I don’t see cado getting another story soon. Also am I the only one who finds it weird that bl writers are working on making warhammer narratives for games? Seems weird.
>>97998457Writers are writers, anon. Abnett works on books, movies AND games.
>>97998442Calis and Toll actually reads like a WHFB witch hunter novel. It's a gritty crime story about a strange plague in city full of poverty.
This gonna be my last couple Black Library questions as these are really meant for /lit/ instead if here but:>Does GW re-release hardback covers?>How fast do pre-orders for Special Editions of books sell out?>Who is the worst fucking author?
>>97998451How does writing AoS work? Like 40k where each place is set in a different realm or some shit as 40k takes place on different planets?
>>97998451God damn that snake dude is sick as fuckGetting serious Shadow of Mordor vibes from the guy in the middle too
>>97998469>Does GW re-release hardback covers?Sometimes, but most of the time no.>How fast do pre-orders for Special Editions of books sell out?Depends on the book>Who is the worst fucking author?most of Black library
>>97998469Yes, but rarelyAlmost instantlyGoto holds that title proudly.
>>97998469Mike brooks will be the answer but personally I just about fucking had it with nick kyme
>>97997352Knight or titan is more of a big dude to me than a tank
>>97998470Somewhat, but also there are portals everywhere that allow realm hopping (aka space travel)
>>97998465You're not gonna persuade a TWW secondary, save your breath.
>>97998465Ah, didn't realise, was just talking more about AoS lore in general>>97998478>TWW secondary>assuming assumptions
>new custodes sell like hotcakes>uhh femstodes made custodes failwhat? new boxes only showed grogs are all talk
>>97998484>Using anything but the metal chaos warriors for the of world Soulless behavior, I hate to see it. Bet you’re not even gonna paint the bases green.
>>97998492>moving goalpostsNo I'm not going to go bankrupt collecting metal warriors, as cool as they were. Goblin green is a well and truly outdated fad
>>97998418This is legitimately a SKILL ISSUE on your part if a family heirloom with your family crest engraved in it gets pawned so your grandson can satisfy a cardboard addiction. He clearly did not love you.
>>97998490Grogs have been all talk for nine years at this point, I remember people saying Leviathan was gonna be a flop, or that no one would buy Angron
>>97998412>>97998404kekAnyway deathwatch has more unique kits because they're the loyalist equivalent to Red Corsairs. What would space wolves get. A captain on a bike but his box says "khan" instead of "captain"?
>>97998297This is as big as edition changes used to be before 8th. I wouldn't mind the stability if I didn't hate 10th so much. But that aside the changes to missions, terrain and detachments are pretty substantial in practice.
>watching a stream on expensive legos>people saying they'd rather pay a generous 200 bucks for a warhammer battleforce with 30 guys in it on ebay than 200 bucks for a sad looking harry potter castle of legos.OOFYIKESGuess things really do get worse :)
>>97998368You get land speeders back and you already got a jetbike character.
>>97998495>moving goalpostsI wasnt even that anon, if I was id mention how your shit isnt painted. >Goblin green is a well and truly outdated fadYeah this shit is why im not touching tow, the ip seems to have a identity crisis internally and its audience. Makes me kind dread the concept of 40k splitting its base with some kind of war-hammer classic divergence with HH or something.
>>97998402Don't forget they raceswapped Toll and aged Callis for some reason.
>>97998430Damn the bannerpriest looks great too.
>>97998430Also what's the scot lady supposed to be?
>Just found out Black Library don't reprint books much which explains why a book from 2023 is $40 on Amazon for fucking paperbackThat's fucking retarded
>>97998509I mean we don't play on bright green grass boards any more, why would I do goblin green bases? My TOW project is an attempt to make the dream warband kid me never finished from my first Warhams army project, but with modern kits that have nicer detail, more dynamic posing. I'm not trying to make nostalgia bait
>>97998506Lego is completely retarded these days. With Warhammer you could at least bring up the argument that the Chinese copies are resin, and not plastic, so they are a bit more annoying to work with.With Lego, the Chinese copies are 100% identical. And people still buy the overpriced originals.
>>97998529>With Lego, the Chinese copies are 100% identicalThey're not but pop off
>>97998528>I mean we don't play on bright green grass boardsgo off anon. I dont dictate how you play your games. I just know I wont like whatever direction rank and flanks will go in the future. but im no longer the audience for that anyways.
>>97998533are we really gonna have a long argument over whether this little square block is more authentic or less authenticLegos aren't even 'nft'ish like warhammer. You can proxy stuff in warhammer, but the Official Space Wolf models without buttholes are still the Official Ones. You can basically build any lego set with the box o legos your mom keeps in your basement assuming she's not a whore like my mom and threw them out.
>>97998427The Kabalite subfaction got new stuff like Malys, and they also got more corsairs to work with. It was just the haemonculi who no one cares about that got shafted.
>>97998543There there, it's okay anon. I don't love what I've heard about TOW being dominated by monsters/dragons, I wasn't planning to really take any in my list. But fwiw I also have a mate with dwarfs so we can play some older editions in case we don't love the TOW ruleset. Maybe get yourself a grog mate?>>97998546Not even talking about authenticity. My work (container shipping company) got sent a kit from our Chinese shipping line overlords, and it was exactly the right plastic, exactly correct pieces, I was initially impressed. BUT then putting it together, clearly not as much care had been taken in manufacturing and there was obviously next to no QA, as the majority of pieces had permanent scratches and marks on them. Particularly the larger shiny flat pieces, aka the most obvious that are fucked up. End result was a kit that looks good from a distance, but on a 2 second closer inspection you can tell it's definitely not Lego, Chinese bootleggers are not ruining the Lego collector's market any time soon.
>>97998546Oh and also>You can basically build any lego set with the box o legos your mom keeps in your basementThis shows how little you know about Lego, there's exclusive set pieces galore
>>97998560probably because as a grown man without kids I don't want to buy Exclusive Set Pieces like the Harry Potter Hogwarts castle (500 dollars) for 44yo DINKs who refuse to grow up.
>>97998557>collectorsIt's a toy, jim. It's cut and dry a toy. Even if you're an adult with your millennial falcoln, that's a toy. Not a display piece. Not even with historical sentimental value like a 1989 ATARI or some shit. Literally just a toy.
>>97998565Okay that's nice, but don't try to talk shit about stuff you know next to nothing about lmao. Lego is great for kids thoughbeit, now I'm sad yours clearly didn't get to grow up with any
How do we stop GW from milking Horus Heresy? It's fucking ridiculous at this point.
>>97998566Oh okay, so minis aren't collectibles either because they're toys? Figma too? What about troll dolls, stuffies? Anyway, warhammer 40kek
>>97998566toys are a luxury good
shouldnt animators have an easy time sculpting warhammer shit for animations and what not?
>>97998574IDK what you mean I just want 40k to get the heresy ruleset.
>>97998579No, why would they?
>>97998295I think you would just have to run a generic tzeentch sorcerer lord and a daemon prince or chaos spawn for the cat familiar.
>>97997175this is plastic
>>97998557>ruiningAnon, they have overtaken it. Quality of the top chinese brands (and also US and European brands) is better than Lego already.Sets are bigger, more complex building techniques, have more features, less stickers/more printed parts and at the same time, they are considerably cheaper. Even the Minifigs have better prints if you buy them from china.
>>97998579animation is the hard part in animating, not model making
>>97998591mantic's nighstalkers also have some demonic models
>>97998606
>>97997175Its digital, but i like these ones:https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-rose-horrors-184763
>>97998591NTA but that's not too bad, looks like they've stepped their mini game up. Can any DnDers chip in, are these automatically recognisable as DnD bestiary? Other than the beholder ofc.I still really miss the metal horrors, they're so hard to get a hold of. Anyone know any recasters doing them?>>97998592Right, you have such a set? Or anyone you know? Or is this just something you've seen online?
Who ever wanted the story to be advanced and why?
>>97998611creature caster has the most elaborate, but they're also pricey and not plastic
>>97998635I won't list 3D printed options because there's too many of them
>>97998633Me>why?Shit was too stagnant. Yeah it's a hugefuck wide universe but I wanted some progression. Shadowrun moves along at the rate of a literal year per our calendar year and that works well for it, get slow paced advancement, just enough progression in tech and lore between editions. Ignoring setting progression for ages and then doing all the maelstrom shit was stupid thoughbeit
>>97998579Nothing about it is easy. Building a model for animation is a lot more involved than just sculpting something static. That is why it's work split between multiple full time positions in a professional environment.
>>97998635>>97998638These still don't have the sheer sorta creepiness of >>97998624 and are just super busy, also fuckhuge seams. Kinda gross
>>97998633gwjustify new products
>>97998624>Right, you have such a set?Several in fact.pic related, by Panlos. 2000+ pieces, full interior, movable tracks, zero stickers. Less than 80 on Aliexpress. I also have a Cada Initial D AE86, full rc functions included in the set, for less than 100€.Lego can't compete. Their high end sets are internally full with bright colorful bricks to make it easier for the retards to assemble, and even the premium tier star wars stuff comes with stickers instead of prints. Even the plate of the display stands for the UCS sets is a sad fucking sticker. For sets that cost several times as much as what i have.
>>97998633even 5e felt stagnant as fuck with everything being retrofitted to make sense for 13th black crusade, now when most mentioned advancement they probably wanted more than few years and moving events backwards in order to fit them all inso we're advancing but not really
>>97998569There is something deeply disturbed about you /toy/schizo, since I've seen you shitting up this thread once or twice before. No, it's a toy for children and will never be a "totally adult collectible" and you are clearly the one who gets upset when people post memes of fat bald manchildren in their nintendo room. If that hurts you, then unironically grow up.
>>97998624>Right, you have such a set? Or anyone you know? Or is this just something you've seen online?LmaoYou're collecting them because you think it's going to be like the pokemon scalpers in 10 years aren't youYou think people are gonna pay 5, 10k for your Harry Potter Hogwarts 2025 castle. That's why you're seething so much.
>>97998577there is nothing luxurious about letting your kid play with your old legos. It only seems like that because modern society is full of wackos and manchildren (derogatory).
>>97998686>>97998633Nobody really. With the vast scope of 40k, they could flesh out a single conflict like Armageddon (or Fall of Cadia) for several editions, and never run out of unusual places to fight over.
>>97998685Oh sick. Yeah I imagine other brands will phase Lego out a bit if they don't do something to change/adapt. I suppose what I meant before about them is just that there's a certain standard of product quality and customer service with Lego that buying their shit is never truly worthless, and is an investment as kits last forever, break them down into boxes for your kids and such. I personally haven't seen such offered by other companies, but I've also been priced out of Lego as they kept raising the prices and cheaping out on the builds>>97998689>/toy/schizo>literally never talked about Lego here beforeUh-oh, meds...>>97998693No I collect them because they're fun lmao
>>97998696You could argue that its a luxury to own old legos in the first place.Lego was never a cheap toy, so you grew up in at least a middle class family, if you had Legos as a kid, and you are now in the age of having (potentially) kids yourself. Poor families in the 90s did not have money to buy Lego, or would have sold it after you became a teenager. There is a reason Lego (and to a lesser degree Playmobil) were considered good toys, because they were not cheap, but had very high quality.
>>97997020I love the exlusive super bling termi chaplain but the old metal one is great, would love to do a conversion like picrel with a modern terminator body
>>97998339Bretonnia like knights is not done much for 40k, since they're very colorful and bright
>>97998393Inquisitor 54mm? The skirmich game?
>>97998714>skirmich
>>97998717skrimish
>>97998697Maybe writers fault that they started to get lost in who's the 2nd company captain because spacing out across 6k years (realistically stories kinda set themselves from war of the beast as "modern") with marines both dying like flies every other encounter and still reaching ~600 years of age sometimes soloing entire Waaaghs. The motiff pretty much always was "5min to lights going out" with a hardstop of 13th crusade and with writers favorites (god forbid new niche chapters in barely explored regions if we want to stay by marines) they were tripping over themselves which is a skill issue but still happened. Now that i ruminate over it the writers just got defeated by logistics of having to spread thin like 1 million superdudes over an entire fucking galaxy.Also coincided with potential for more money.
>>97998719Teehee, scrumish
>>97998703I agree that the market for Lego, especially used stuff, due to nostalgia, will always be viable. For 3rd party stuff, like that tank, even tho i would die on the hill that its quality is better than modern lego, the resell value is less. (obviously, since it costs a lot less in the first place). >break them down into boxes for your kids and such. But if that is your endgame however, it really does not matter. Sure, there exist really bad clones, with loose bricks and other issues, but for kids, almost nothing about the details we adults argue about matter. A brick is less shiny than others? Some microscratches? A molding point in the middle of large tiles (thats a Lego issue btw).. For a kid sitting in front of a huge box of loose bricks, those things dont matter. And that is why Lego is pushing so hard for the adult collector market. Build those sets once, and put them on your shelf and all that.
>>97998706> A luxury good is a non-essential product or service for which demand increases disproportionately as income rises, making them "superior goods". These items are characterized by high quality, exclusivity, premium pricing, and brand prestige, serving as status symbols.Poor people get megablocks, rich kids get lego. If you are really rich you get the higher tiers of lego which go from the hundreds of dollars into the thousands of dollars. Poor people get dnd minis that look how much they cost, rich people get warhammer which is absurdly expensive and artificially scare with demand far exceeding supply.
>>97998724Ackshually as a Lego kid I would've hated scratches and shit on my bricks. Yes I am also probably autismo
My issue with plot advancing isn't the advancement itself, it's that now every single story has to take place in the 12ish years of post-Cadia. Before that GW had 10k years worth of space. Even if in practice they only used M41 that's still a thousand years, not 12. It also allowed them to let losses feel like actual losses because there was time for everyone to heal back up. If, say, the Ultramarines get decimated in the current lore they'll stay decimated forever but before they had shit like the Tyrannic War killing a bunch of Ultramarines and it was fine because they had decades or centuries to recover until the next big plot point.
>>97998734>Even if in practice they only used M41 that's still a thousand yearsIn practice they only used the last 2 hundreds of M41
>>97998729>Yes I am also probably autismoThere is always that one kid.But seriously, if you enjoy to build Lego, get yourself something small and relatively cheap by Cada, Mouldking, Panlos or Cobi if you are interested to see whats possible with bricks these days.
>>97998686The 5th edition timeline was cool as fuck though. I hate that they don't put dates on anything since 9th.
>>97998743200 is still longer than 12.Didn't they retcon several hundred years back to 12 too, to make it feel more tense or whatever?
>>97998743Still way more than 12 years.>>97998748Less because of tension and more because then half their named characters would die from old age.
>>97998743Eisenhorn is early M41. So is Krieg and BFG. There's a lot of stuff from all over M41.
>>97998744Yeah I'll check them out, cheers. I am sitting on a small mound of bricks atm though, enough for the kiddo we might have in 1-2 years
>>97998747>timelineIts cool to give specific dates to specific events. And they should have kept that. Because every single date there, could have had 100 additional events happening.. they could not run out of stuff.The problem is: Girlyman, Abaddon and the other big name guys can only be at one place at the same time - and at the same time, all factions need to be there for sales reasons too, and thats why they focus so much on one single huge battle all the time, with everyone involved, instead of fleshing out a campaign of "Elements of the Ultramarines and Mortifactors vs Leviathan on Tarsis Ultra.
>>97998751>half their named characters would die from old age.That never bothered them.. warp travel + medicine keeps everyone young.
>>97998647>Shit was too stagnantThat being a core point.
>>97998748one hundred years to a decade roughly
>10 assault terminators + lysander + ancient>5 assault terminators + lysander + land raider redeemerHelp me choose my brick.
So is Angron capable of thought and speaking still?
>>97998783this is why you don't learn the fluff through memes.
>>97998781>named characters
>>97998791Unfortunately 10th and 11th are designed in a way that not taking named characters is handicapping yourself for no reason. Lysander makes all terminators OC2 and makes gets his unit -1 to wound them. Other terminator HQs can't compare with that. For what is worth I kitbashed my own model for my custom chapter.
>>97997008These two.
>>97998797Woops outdated pic I did gave him a dick shield. Protecting the geneseed is important.
>>97998513They just changed his hairstyle. He's obviously brown here
>>97998798Sometimes GW manages to get things right on accident.
>>97998791>His characters don't have names
>>97998706>Poor families in the 90s did not have money to buy Lego, or would have sold it after you became a teenager.A 20 dollar legoset was never out of the purview of a lower class family unless they were literally drug addicts, this historical revisionism about toys for christmas is baffling to me.
>>97996749>All 3d printed?In this pic, yes. I think I might have used some parts from gw kroots on big knarloc. I see no difference between official gw stuff, 3rd party stuff, recasts, proxy prints, and printed scans so I mix them all together to get what I want. And then forget which part is plastic or resin
>>97998500>Leviathan was gonna be a flop Never heard anyone say this. >or that no one would buy Angron Said no one ever. Angron is Primarchslop and people fucking LOVE Primarchs.
>>97998802You're obviously brown.
>>97998781>Help me choose my brick.Which detachment are you taking? You're probably better off taking the land raider in most instances.
>TQhard tie between >>97997020 and pic related
>>97998801>>97998797another reason why primarchs were a mistake because you can't OC up a fucking jesus of your faction
>>97998824Explain? How does a Primarch stop me from making up my own chaos lord, or guard general?
>>97998820Firestorm. Though with 11th I'll probably have a mix of stuff. I like mechanized infantry and terminators.>>97998824I don't need a primarch but Lysander is better than any other terminator character so why the fuck would I not take him. If I could give my captain a warlord trait to get the same rule as Lysander I'd do that but there's no warlord traits in 10th.
>>97998830Because they're not yours, they're Abbadon the Despoiler and Ursula Creed with a headswap
>>97998830you can argue that it applies mostly to chapter-compliant slop that are ultramarines in all but name but you're not pulling a dude almost twice the size of others and passing it off as your chapter master no matter how much you suspend your disbelief. Larping old-abaddon, calgar, ahriman, creed is by the most part doable, maybe even demonprimarch at times you could excuse with a bigger daemon prince model but sometimes it just doesn't work
>>97998839Nta but I don't see anything wrong with using named characters for kitbashing. GW is just retarded for not giving us more nice generic options so it's fine to make do.
>>97998839Then you need to do more than a headswap?>>97998851The miniature is always an abstract thing. You can always put your Terminator chapter master on a big(er) tactical rock, if he really has to look a primarch directly into the eyes.
Any recommendations for a good white paint that isn't citadel.
>>97998881Vallejo Mecha Pure White
>>97998881I've heard Duncan Rhode's paints were pretty good. Tho they are pricy but the colours are good. And their white (White Star) is good
>>97998881There's Pro-Acryl Bold Titanium White, if you can stand the worst dropper bottles in the industry.
Pulling this shit out of my ass but>they've replaced the pistol rule with close quarters, pressumably so that more than just pistols can get it>in 30k pistols and other assault weapons get to shoot once in the shooting phase and another during the charge>twin lances getting melee gunsWhat if close quarters let guns shoot in the shooting face and then again during combat on top of the actual melee weapons?
>>97997008>TQStill unbeaten chamption till this day.
>>97998925everytime i see the metal daemon prince my brain always flashbangs me with images from To field a Daemon Princehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBopjeR60UM
>pay good money for shit on ebay>this was sunday, a day off, whatever>guy created shipping label yesterday>still hasn't dropped package offFor fuck's sake. Do a buyer a little courtesy and try to get it out before I'm dead of old age, asshole.
>>97998881thin your white paints with white ink instead of water it makes a world of difference
>>97998925>DIS PEAR FOR I AM THE END OF GAYS
>>97998935you sound like a bitch so you probably deserve this.
>>97998937classic
>>97998927The good old days.
>>97998943You sound like a contrarian faggot so when you fuck up at work today you'll probably deserve it kek.
>>97998952I actually work at the post office, so maybe I will will fuck up at work today and lose someone's order.
>>97998802nigga you blind or dumb?
I think 11th could be saved with a few changes:>9th style points, warlord traits, relics, psychic power lists and datasheets>30k 3.0 style morale and AP>Necromunda stye vehicle stats>FOC>scatter dice so deepstrike can drop without range restrictions
>>97998979You forgot templates
>>97998985I would love them but that's a way bigger change. Most of what I wrote is things added on top of the core rules or formatting changes.
>>97997096If Retaliation Cadre's rules (+1 to wound within 12", +1AP within 9") affected non-Crisis, that'd be perfect
>>97998979I think you’re retarded. Go write a letter or something to gw instead of repeating yourself.
>>97998988I'd argue the AP changes are a much bigger deal.
>>97998992That'd be amazing, I'm just hoping that I'll be able to run retaliation and mont'ka detachments when detachment points are released.
>>97998925Looks generic.
>>97999003How many months will it take after 11th's release to get Xenos: Tau rules?
>>97999008bait
>>97999012I think they might be a mid-edition codex this time. They are supposedly getting another medium-sized wave of stuff but they're not rumored to be one of the first few. So 18 months probably? Maybe more?
>>97999012Actual codex release is still unknown, but with the new detachment rules GW is releasing new faction detachments so they should have all the detachment rules at the start of the edition.
>>97999001It's a single number in the datasheet, the attack sequence remains the same. Templates require a big change in the core rules and extra tools.>>97998996Get fucked Cruddace.
>>97999041>It's a single number in the datasheetAre you high?Reverting the AP changes will completely destroy the current balance of the game.
>>97999049Any and all of these changes would.
People wanting templates and old AP system are false grogs who have never played a pre 8th edition game.Shit was so bad, seeing space marines just shitting on boys and guardsmen with their AP 5 bolters, and spending God knows how long moving templates around to get another mini.Shit was bad and I'm glad we dont have to deal with this shit anymore
glancing 6s
>>97999074>won't someone please think of the guardsmen bullied by bolters?!
Lukewarm take that I just realized in the shower;The Horus Heresy isn't Marvelsop, it's grimdark WWE
>>97999074Marines still shit on guardsmen. A fucking stiff breeze will kill guardsmen.
>>97999074The projection
>>97999074>waaaa waaaa>these super soldiers that use guns that use armor piercing rockets that explode the target from the inside out fuck up green retards that basically wear no armor and regular basic humans with the crappiest armor possibleWhat's next?You're gonna start whinging and complaining that an RPG using HEAT warheads can hurt a tank?
>>97999074>space marines just shitting on boys and guardsmen with their AP 5 boltersGuess cover hadn't been invented, huh. Google fucking sucks right now, so assume I posted the oglaf comic where they say>It's true. You do hate fun
I don’t play with terrain
>>97999106>>97999102>>97999096>>97999089>>97999082Lmao the marinepiggies are going strong ITT
>>97999112You don't play at all.
>>97998184chuds are such goofy little fellas
>>97999074This is just the same untrue newfag arguments you've said since 8th that absolutely no one playing before that thought about.
>>97999112tau or imperial guard?
>>97999087I actually much prefer that that comparison.
>>97999124Is he a chud if he's fucking a tranny, or is that just horseshoe chud?
I've settled on the monogod traitors for my 11th army, but still trying to narrow down which one.Anyone play any of them? Sell me on them, rules, lore, models, anything.
>>97999140chuds being closeted homosexuals isnt anything new
>>97999118Didn't IG have way more blast weapons than marines?
>>97999074The "classic" AP system (not really) is a literal non-issue with modern sensibilities about terrain density, it was hardly a problem back then anyways because rerolls were much more sparse and the bigger board meant you spent less time in RF rangeTemplates were also a non-issue if you weren't a socially inept faggott. 7th edition nidfag >>97999140Unironically makes him more of one
>>97999158The battlecannon was AP3 which meant regular marines had no save against it. This faggot who screeches that no one here played anything pre 8th is beyond tiresome.
>>97999147I would go nurgle, they've got a more complete range, some neat limited models to scavenge and their primarch looks like overdesigned shit so one can focus on other centerpieces instead, like a nice great unclean.Plus, very forgiving to paint.
>>97999152>>97999160I guess that's the fate of every 40k larper, no matter the side they pretend they're on.
>>97999147Khorne is best, coolest and also easiest to convert. Plus we'll get new mk5 marines for HH soon enough
>>97999147Nurgle, it's the only complete army these days
Oh they're using THAT picture with the horrifically-proportioned bolter
>>97999184>inb4 that one retard starts sperging out over red triangles again
>>97999184Someone got paid to make this. Christ.>>97999186>Oh I REAAAAALLLY hope nobody does THING>I'd be REALLLY SAD if THING was doneBe less obvious
>>97999186OH MY GODTHEY’RE EVERYWHERENIGGERMAN SAVE ME I’M GOING INSANE
>>97999186QRD about what weird dog whistle the red triangles are supposed to reference?And add a 40k related pic to keep it on topic.
>>97999179gross, nice work
>>97999147Go with World Eaters
>>97997008>TQLibrarian in terminator armour, the old 2ed one. A friend gave him to me for free back in the 90s, I don't think he really understood the value of money (I didn't either). My mind was blown when I figured out just how OP the model was.
>>97999205palestine has a red triangle on its flag and its used as a dog whistle to promote palestinian support.
>>97999206Thanks anon, I'm working on sisters these days but I need go back to DG eventually. I do hope they will increase points in v11 because this has become too much of a horde army. I had more troops than my poor necron friends in 1500pts shit's dumb
>>97999215even the most milquetoast palestinian support is illegal in the UK thoughbeit
>>97998979>30k 3.0 style APThe worst AP system so far with everything nerfed and 12 flavours of Rending implemented instead.
>>97999147Whichever god you pick I think the chaddest move is to go CSM and then use both the daemon army rule and the CSM army rule to field battleline units from the corresponding daemon army and cult army + an extra daemon of your choosing.
>>97998279>How many Boyz you REALLY need for an ork army?More, always more.
>>97999205Nazi concentration camp badges
>>97999184I hate thin gun artist.
>>97999225Unlike 10th you don't have characters giving rending to random units. It's either part of the weapon or it isn't.
>>97999230I do hope the daemons get some love, their models have held up really well and have such character
>>97998279You should plan for the ideal amount, you should plan for the maximum possible.Also the other guy might also run boys, so double it.
>>97998031>>97998042current multipart is 2x the same 5 man sprue11th ed sprue is picrel, 10 guys on 2 spruesIdeally the upcoming multipart intercessors would be 10 guys and more customizable, would be extremely funny if it went back to 2x the same 5 man sprue.
>>979992692x 5 in the classic multi part style >>>>>>> 10 modern puzzles (or 2x 5 modern puzzles obviously).
>>97999278>2x 5 in the classic multi part styleAt that point just sell it as a 5 man kit like anything marine that's not a tactical squad.Could be worse, could be 4x 5 puzzle style like HH marines
>>97999284The way they've planned the heresy kits is awesome though.
>>97999303It's really not and whatever you think is great about it is worse than what was done prior, guaranteed.t. own multiple HH Mk6 tactical squads
>>97999303hh shit is not fun to assemble. It’s on the opposite end of the spectrum of issues with 40K kits. You have to assemble nu terminator shoulder pads with 4 small tiny pieces for fucks sake.
>>97999106>>97999118>>97999160The old AP System wasn't stupid because of Marines killing Guardsmen (which they didn't, point for point Guardsmen beat Marines in 4 out of 5 editions).The old AP System was stupid because its binary nature meant there was little to no reason to go for anything but AP2 if you could. It was a bane on *faction-internal* balance rather than faction external, coupled to the fact that save values were also distributed very unevenly, which made mid-range AP values even more fucked up compared to each other.For example: Paying any amount of points greater than 0 to got from ap5 to ap4 was retarded, doubling the cost of your gun to go from ap4 to ap3 was insanely good.Best case scenario would be to just have both.Have flamer ignore 5+ and 6+ armor but leave 4+ untouched, have autocannons be a flat -2, etc.Opens up a ton of design space.
>>97999247I liked the blessed bolts strat that gave storm bolters MWs in 9th. It was a good way to keep an iconic squad (storm bolter doms) relevant in the modern game.
>>97999309Considering what was before was either 5 man resin squads with no weapons (you had to buy even the boltguns separately) or a single 10 man kit that still only had 5 designs for each piece... yeah the new ones are better.
>>97999315>nu cataphractii>6 per kit>1/4 of the sprue is taken by a second style of pads with a tiny bit more trim, two styles of hip plates, tilt shields and 3x different iron halos>separated into two kits, one with bolters, power fists & flamer, the other with volkite, power mace and autocannon>no kit for lightning clawsHow do you fumble something this fucking bad
>>97999318>The old AP System was stupid because its binary nature meant there was little to no reason to go for anything but AP2 if you could.This is a retarded take because outside melta, plasma and shit like lascannons, there was no AP2 and neither had the volume of fire or lower enough cost to actually field en masse.>For example: Paying any amount of points greater than 0 to got from ap5 to ap4 was retarded, doubling the cost of your gun to go from ap4 to ap3 was insanely good.As it should. Armour is meant to be good, so bypassing it is supposed to be expensive. Everyone and their mother can turn a 2+ save into a 4+ in 10th making armour useless.>Opens up a ton of design space.No it doesn't. What it does is force the shot numbers to go to the roof and for armour to be worth nothing so everything needs an invuln.
>>97999331It wasn't a good way. Giving a weapon with a volume of fire balanced to fight chaff a way to kill tanks is retarded.
>>97999303no they suck
>>97999318Just have save modifiers.
>>97999334>5 man resin squadI hate resin but it was still highly customizable>no weaponsGood, some people want specific bolter patterns, you got choice. I'd rather give my mk6 phobos bolters rather than umbra.>10 man kit with 5 designsNo + shitting on the HH plastic tactical squad has to be bait>new good old badPretending is still retarded, faggot-kun.Literally the only 2 things that can be seen as improvements -and that is still arguable to some- is plastic over resin and the updated quality. The first doesn't matter since HH was already being moved to plastic and the second is a product of time and technology, it was a given.TL;DR: You're trolling.
>>97999334The resin squads were compatible with the plastic marines which was great.
>>97999347>This is a retarded take because outside melta, plasma and shit like lascannonsYou're a Marine player I assume?>Armour is meant to be good, so bypassing it is supposed to be expensiveIt wasn't expensive enough, that's precisely the problem you dolt. If you had a triple digit IQ it was an absolute no-brainer to just run a bunch of AP2 weapons and still get your money's worth against everything except 180 'Gants.>Everyone and their mother can turn a 2+ save into a 4+ in 10th making armour useless.Hence my proposal to turn a bunch of -1 AP weapons back into old style AP5-ish weapons.>No it doesn't. What it does is force the shot numbers to go to the roof and for armour to be worth nothing so everything needs an invuln.There is zero correlation between these two things.>>97999361That's just modern AP
>>97999318I remember way back when everyone here was complaining about how common AP3 was getting, my most common opponent was playing a GK army where anything that wasn't a vehicle had a 2+ save, so it was meaningless to me
>>97999380Ogryn Squire for Knights that hands them the giant sword and hammer attachments for their lance
Undo all the weapon creep caused by primaris getting +1 weapons and you fix 99% of the problem
>>97999404Stop having good ideas now I'm gonna be sad they're not real
>>97995638>>97995671shit, i got stuff to do today. this isn't going to manifest for people like i wanted. part of the reason i didn't make the collage deadline in the first place. i will finish and post whenever it does get completed
>>97999406I don't understand why marines needed two wounds. Higher thoughness & a 3+ save is great enough.Also it's a little pain to keep track of multi wound models
>>97999303The heresy kits suck ass specifically because they just reuse the same fucking 5 poses.At least with primaris you get pose variation between different units.
>>97999412They don't need it. 1W 1A is fine.
>>97999416>At least with primaris you get pose variation between different units.nta but true. Grim.
>>97999074Nobody over the age of 30 speaks like this
>>97997008I might be retarded, but which one of these pads are meant to be for havocs?
>>97999436Had to google it. It's in the instructions
>>97999412Because a 6 sided die only gives you 5 options to choose as a stat, and you can't skew that hard enough to make marines survivable enough against lasguns or shootas. The 2 wounds were the change that made basic marine infantry worth taking for the first time since 2nd ed. This isn't even an opinion, you can just do the math.>>97999416CADslop poses are worse than the idle-playing-piece aesthetic. Also, you can just convert.>>97999426If you delete any other option from the game, of course the remainder no longer looks imbalanced
>>97999451This is stale bait, I'm glad nobody actually thinks like this
>>97999436Why wouldn't you mix them all anyway, just to increase variety
>>97999429>>97999416Such variety.
>>97999451I have never heard anyone say that MEQs were too fragile against Lasguns/Bolters, nor does it seem to be a problem in HH3. The durability problem has always been that high strength, AP shooting is abundant and makes the MEQ T/Sv irrelevant. Incidentally, I prefer the game without templates. Not because they invite arguments, but because the tabletop is not supposed to be a 1:1 representation of what is happening or where people are standing.
>>97999473I think you misunderstood anon's post, anon. He didn't say primaris kits had a lot of variety, he said they had MORE. That's a testament to how bad the HH variety is.For a basic primaris body you have>5x in the intercessor kit>5x in the assault intercessor kit (running)>5x in the hellblaster kit>5x in the desolation kitCompared to only 5 exact poses with the same body that's pretty good.But it's absolutely abysmal compared to what existed prior with oldmarines.
>>97999473>Anon is blind
>>97999473NEW ROCK
>>97999479One complaint I have is that the Primaris releases have strung out a number of kits that, in retrospect, should probably be dual kits. Disregarding Assault/Normal intercessors, Hellblasters and Infernus marines need to be folded into a single git. Likewise, Eradicators should could have the heavy bolter variant folded in.
>>97999474> I prefer the game without templates. Not because they invite arguments, but because the tabletop is not supposed to be a 1:1 representation of what is happening or where people are standing.nta but that's the best argument against template. I prefer templates but there are cases like flamers where I can see both being great in their own ways.Ideally you'd let people pick before the game and let templates be the "special" option, since the "Hit X times" rule is faster and easier when playing against strangers and rule abusers.
>>97999491Dual? All primaris kits are redundant in general, but splitting devastators into a dozen kits isn't fixed by a dual kit, it's fixed by not splitting devastators.
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>>97999495My biggest issue with the removal of templates that GW has still refused to actually address is how it makes weapons that were formerly meant to be gigantic blasts uncharacteristically good against single model unitsThey half addressed it with wound/toughness bloat on monsters and vehicles but that's only served to push the anti tank weapons further as well
>>97999491A better thing would have been to keep the weapons into separate kits, but GW didn't want to do that.Have 2 or even 3 kits of 5x marine bodies, then you can have kits for the weapons. Fairly sure that's how a lot of other model kits do it.That's another thing GW fucked up; most marine weapons were made to be used with the same set of arms, and if you're gonna have the same exact intercessor armor in every kit just put specific arms in the body kits.Kits suck by a mix of design and incompetence. I wish I was shitposting
>>97999503>discordIf I'd like you with a username I'd like you as an anon, fuck off.
>>97999506There was never any reason why gigantic blasts shouldn't be as good against large targets as they are against large numbers
>>97999500Its more for shelf space. You can easily do Arm/head swaps with the kits to get pose variety in but Infernus Marines are still a push fit kit and I can't see justifying them as a Solo box.Hellblasters are still from that era where you get three flavors of slightly different gun but just to conserve space I feel the two kits could be merged. Same with re-releasing Eradicators with a heavy bolter option.
>>9799947440k Players have been deleting marines with half their points in Guardsman for a decade before 8th. Bolters don't act the same because they're packaged with the same overpriced jack of all trades body, changing the calculus. As i said, of you remove everything else, of course marines look balanced, retard.
>>97999479Yeah, this is what I meant.Also how people collect armies nowadays, they tend to buy multiple kits at once.Say you buy basic ints and assault ints.You can just mix and match all of those bodies between kits to get more variety poses between squads. So if you want a regular intercessors but running? You just glue bolt rifle onto an assault int body.
>>97999516They're often *better* against large targets than they are large numbers, now
>>97999473>if i act intentionally retarded i'm rightOk.
>>97999510Oh, the 'this arm this gun' shit annoys me when I'm working on them. I do sorta miss the 5 man kit as you could pick it up quick to do test schemes or test conversions but a "build a box' style of kit where you get torsos then buy weapons would be interesting. Problem is you then have to explain to Timmy why he has bodies in one box and guns in another while his parents give you the stink eye and ask why the guns aren't just in the box.
>>97999491That's my main issue with many primaris kits.The designs are just fine for me barring few very bad exceptions, but my main issue is that the pointless division of kits.All gravis units should just be in a single box, just shove erads, heavy ints, aggressors into the one kit.And do the same for all regular tacticus armor wearing units like ints and hellblasters.
>>97999380Evidently a mekboy. AoS has very few factions without battletomes left for their edition cycle and none of them seem to fit this very well
>>97999544AoS believes it to be an ogre hand, since they have a refresh coming up. They cited lack of fingernails
I like how he's holding the bolter like he's trying to thrust it at the air instead of taking aim.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hfd3qxcr/warhammer-40000-lore-what-is-operation-imperator/
Newfag here, I wanted to start guard but I really can't be fucked painting 80+ guardsmen. So I'm thinking of going either Orks or World Eaters, any advice on which I should pick?
>>97999558Orks are also a horde army like guard. If you want lower model counts go with world eaters
>>97999555Not the first to be held like that, and won't be the last.
>>97999542Aggressors I can 'kinda' cut some slack as they've got some wildly different arms compared to the others and do come with the flamer/bolt builds but the hellblasters, and Heavy ints/eradicators are kinda egregious at this point. A lot of this is in retrospect but really highlights a lot of the issues with the initial Primaris design philosophy when it came to releases as you can only, physically fit so much product on the shelf.
>>97999558Well if horde army painting scares you don't touch orks either.
>>97999523This is also why the ~2013 assault marine kits was so great as it contained the parts to build them without jumppacks, which meant you got 5 extra torsos and powepacks.Also if you structure your range of model kits with the bodies separe then you can add to it easily>standing marines A>standing marines B>running marines A>running marines Bthen a few years later>standing marines C>running marines C>crouching marines AYou can do limited releases>prone marines AYou don't need to touch the weapon. But that's on the condition that you actually designed your miniatures to be cross compatible. Why do that when you can just design 5 guys and ask the software to put them on a sprue and shit it out with a datasheet?>>97999534>Problem is you then have to explain to Timmy why he has bodies in one box and guns in another while his parents give you the stink eye and ask why the guns aren't just in the box.I guarantee you timmy is smart enough to figure that out. The one who's gonna give you the stink eye is mark, 32, 250 lbs who just wants to slap some contrast paint on his imperial fists (2 dreadnoughts & 20 terminators + lysander) and who is gonna throw a growingly larger tantrum the more you are negative about his favorite passtime (sinking all his time nad money into it)Kids play with legos and they understand that if you want to add jet boosters to the car you need to get the pieces from somewhere else.
>>97999555Marines are the greatest soldiers in the universe not because they are good at what they do, but because everyone else sucks even harder.
>>97999555seems oldschool bolters are back in style>>97999558Make an armored division?
>>97999555>what is operation imperator>no info on what the operation entails>still no mention of how the blood angels reached armageddon from the other side of the rift
>>97999426>A1 sergeant Yikes. Oof. Lmao.
>>97999521For guardsmen to delete marines you need to give them a plasmagun which makes them not half the points of a marine, you idiot.
>>97999512okay gl on your projects anon ! post or link any upcoming stuff you have if ur up to it!
>>97999579They traveled there by ship. Simple as.
>>97999583Awoogers
>>97999580That's how it was. There was a time where a space marine squad was "5 to 10 marines" and they all had the same profile. You could upgrade a guy to a vet sergeant and he got +1 attack and initiative iirc.It really depends on the edition.
>>97999570Depends on the kid but if they are coming in fresh, they likely will have no idea about what they need to get when it comes to their space men unless someone explains it first. Legos you at least have a series of blocks you can built whatever out of into whatever form you want. The spess man has a set form and unless the store owner points it out, the kid will just end up with torsos and mom/pop who have no idea what all of this is, are going to find it a fair bit more unpalatable that the already expensive plastic doesn't have everything it needs in one box.
>>97999583I didn't say I liked you, I said "if".
>>97999542>All gravis units should just be in a single box, just shove erads, heavy ints, aggressors into the one kit.That would be a ridiculously huge box
>>97999580why boss man not fighting man >:[
>>97999583stop coming here to spam your low quality shit if you've got a discord to circlejerk in
>>979994261W 1A is fine for boring ass marines vs marines game.Put variances like orks, eldars, nids, and you might want more varieties like>Marines have 2W 2A>Orks have 1W 2A>Eldars have 1W 3A>Nid warriors have 3W 1A Among other variances. Otherwise everyone is just MEQ and that was not a fun time in the game.
>>97999503ultramom post models here as well and not only on your discord
>>97999555I like that they look like actual boltguns and not bolt rifle abominations.
>>97999594"this box has the body, this box has the arms""here, let me show you. You take a body you like from this sprue. There you go. Good. Then you find a weapon you like from this sprue. There you go. Good. Now you put them together like this. Try it. There you go. Good. This is how it works, have fun."I tell you, the modern retard isn't a kit, it's a narcissistic adult.If a kid ends up in a hobby shop, he's got the basics. The kids in my local warhammer shop are either>autist that knows everything and is really into it>autist that is asking about everything>autist that is a piece of shit and berates his mother in front of the whole store (please let him get it one day, please please please please please ma'am fucking deck him into the ground we'll all pay for the repairs)Kids will be fine. They can learn and want to learn. Adults are rigid AF especially when they're assholes.
>>97999613this poster will defend any current shit to the point he will scream and shit and piss if people don't like pointless stats creep because "it adds variance" while at the same time creaming her pants at the shrimplifications of weapons options so they all fire with the same profile
>>97999591That is a good option that should've remained. Maybe rebalanced in cost, as iirc it was +10 pts for +1Ld +1A, that's an auto take, and there should not be auto takes.But what happened now is Legion Tactical sergeants (but not most other sarges) lost 1A. On top of losing the extra attack on the charge. On top of not getting an extra attack from 2CCW.So they went from 4A to 1A, and they lost the ability to engage in duels.Losing the ability to take Veteran sergeants does not excuse losing all the stuff I now mentioned. A mistake does not fix another.
>>97999644There is much truth in this post, Grand Eagle salutes Man of Tiny Armies. Let us partake in Peace Pipe.
Blood claws and grey hunters never should have gotten their own dedicated kit
>>97999667the normal marine kits don't work for the space snowflakesthe truth is that the army itself should have been discarded after 2nd edition
>>97999613None of your examples require marines to have 2W and conveniently leave toughness and armour which are enough to make marines tougher than guardsmen or eldar.
>>97999667Nah, those guys have bolter carbines. It's a way better look
>>97999681Solved with an upgrade sprue
>>97999667All marine armies should be upgrade sprues for basic kits.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wqnpjfux/sneak-close-and-unleash-hell-with-the-cadian-recon-squad/Oh by the way, rules for these guys
>>97999687Unironically this would be ideal, but GW has been afraid of modularity since 8th
>>97999555>what is operation imperator >they don't explain it
>>97999689The orders rule is neat and called GW selling you back the ability to take heavy weapons teams in squads.
>>97999689>cadian
>>97999692It’s “Ring Ring marine players, you’re the only ones who matter on Armageddon pay up”
>>97999625I mean, a narcissist will cause issues regardless but I'm more thinking of some kids walking into an FLGS with their parents or some random pickupGRANTED I am used to IT work where I need to assume the person I'm speaking with is an idiot and every step is a failure point.
Where faction focus
>>97999716Either right now or 30 minutes from now is my guess
>>97999703They don't even have a cadian keyword.
>>97999689>Recon squad It's so funny how they keep making units like these but retards will still defend primariscessor naming conventions and aeaeaeldari because muh copyrightable names.
>>97999613>>Nid warriors have 3W 1A
>>97999744Sorry sir but its the Cadian Recon Squad Thus making it trademarkable
>>97999744CADIAN Recon Squad bro, its covered
>>97999755As trademarkeable as Asuryani Eldar or Astartes Tactical Squad.
>>97999689>order affects this unit until battle endsWhy did they need to specify this?
Considering Hellbalsters, Hellounds, Hellguns and Hell's Last exist, does Hell exist in 40k? Is it different from the warp?
>>97999763Indeed, I'm glad you are up on your approved GW language. Remember, its Astra Militarum, we can't use that generic language here.
>>97999769Do you not know how orders work?
>>97999769So comp players don’t argue over the length of time it’s in effect.
>>97999776>Is it different from the warp?No.
>>97999776Yeah, the warp is inhabited of Daemons while Hell is inhabited by Devils. Devils exists in 40k as seen in "catachan jungle devils" and "Tau Devilfish"
>>97999589Here u go anon. Gl! https://discord.gg/ejaDHkwPHn>>97999601>>97999609doakes.gif>>97999618okay sure, here is the most recent model ive painted to completion. irl had kept me massively busy with work and my kids :[I currently have two dreadnoughts and a 10 blob of dark angels intersessors being wip too
>>97999805>shitmar player Yikes!
>>97999805>getting into eldarbasedbut you shouldn't have sold your ultras
I don't even care three years is way too fast for edition turnoverhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xiczsalv/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-space-marines/
>>97999776>Poets from the impious ages of Old Terra had written of apunitive afterlife, a hell beneath the world’s surface. Had that realm ever existed, it would have smelled like this industrial city, dying in fire on the shores of Armageddon Secundus.
>>97999667I think it's fine but the execution is terrible, they are barely distinguishable from intercessors.If I was GW I'd have done a SW greywolves and a SW youngbloods kit with some personality and you'd use either or both to make all SW units.>>97999689It's such a nothing burgerit's a cadian squad with a plasma/melta and a missile launcher. But wait, it got a special rule wow. Not worth it. The models are nice but I need to see the sprues first.>>97999744It's a fine name. Infantry section. Recon squad. Engineer corps.Compare that to Pig latin bore.>>97999805>discord fag>obsessed with the current lolcowHow worse can it get?
>>97999854>It's such a nothing burgerIts 80 points for an infiltrating unit that isnt also throws down a token that makes it easier to throw out orders.Its basicly going to become an auto-include for guard.
>>97999844>*An ingress move is the new name for arriving from strategic reserves, regardless of whether you’re deep striking, teleporting, or using more arcane methods to arrive.What was wrong with Deep Strike, AKA an iconic term for the game and setting?
>>97999862I didn't see the infiltrate & stealth, it's still very underwhelming.I don't care for 10th or 11th and I'll likely not care for any edition past 5th
>>97999811you can do both anon>>97999820>does he know?>>97999844find the hookups with a proonter for cheap minis>>97999854its actually a sever for the 40kg bros to improve our craft desu. literally everyone there still posts here without circlejerking my man. it's not impossible to find sane reasonable people on 4chins. it was alot more common pre 2016 election tourists
>>97999854>reddit spacing>talks like a faggotnta but you're not the one to talk lmao
>>97999844niggerwhat the actual FUCK is this shit
>>97999864>What was wrong with Deep Strikeletting people have ruins of the past damages the propagandistic efforts of the new regime in establishing the future
Between telepathy and oath are marines just going to ignore the new cover rules?
>>97999844>I don't even care three years is way too fast for edition turnoverAmazing how little hype I'm seeing both online and in-person for this edition, 10th really did a number on this game
>>97999871>40kg brosYou're not 40kg if you're not anonymous.>>97999872>paragraphs are reddit spacingSee you guys are fucking niggerfaggots all the way. Enjoy your "not circlejerk" circlejerk, but don't advertize here and expect praise.
>>97999844Ah yes. I can feel the narrative woven deeply into these competitive rules. LMAO.
>>97999844>rerolls for torrent attacksless rerolls btw.also having read it im just dishearthened about anything that's not powerarmor faggotry as everyone else won't have even half as many commodities
>>97999864Because Rapid Ingress was the name of the specific stratagem and they are basing the rules off of that strategem.
>detachment>stratagemsI hate that shit. So much.
>>97999884are we not both two anons talking ? i do believe the moniker is what other anons gave me when I posted my shoddily painted first army (?)
>>97999380
Can I run a full chaos knights + cultists + daemons list? I don’t want any chaos space marines.
>>97999844What the hell is this wording? This mean they can advance charge?
>>97999884>trying to gatekeep this shitholelol, lmao even. Don't worry, mutant will start posting again soon and you faggots can start circlejerking every thread again. I'm not even in the discord, btw.
>>97999901>are we not two anons talking>he says with the same SoB reaction imageslast (you)
>>97999555He's 14" away from the enemy unit and has to make up the distance to overcome the stealth keyword.
>>97999907Yes but at the cost of d3+1 mortal wounds. If you have that detachment.
>>97999909>gatekeepYou do not know what this word means, this is not what's going on here.Not reading the rest
>>97999864Gw needs to invent words for everything.
>>97999558Infantry spam for guard is shit. You don't even need 30 guardsmen. You take a few squads for holding objectives and fill the rest of your army with heavy armour or glass cannon vehicles. Some bullgryns for difficult-to-shove muscle.
>>97999907yes, the change overall is that special rules will only grant you 1 of shooting/action/charge after advance/fallback
>>97999901not when you avatarfag with sob images
>>97999906yes, there is even a specific detachment for running cultists as fodder and daemons are generic chaos allies.
>>97998801we had similar ideas
>>97999880Every shooting army has means to strip cover, the question is how much you pay for it. Paying entire detachment rule and a hero attached is a big ask.
>>97999915>>97999938>image posting on an IMAGEboard bad>>/reddit/
>>97999864Same reason why space marines can't have tactical squads or boltguns anymore.
>>97999942Nice brick shithouse anon. Hope he gets to split some skulls.
>>97999880I'm paying a detachment and x amount of librarians to get x amount of squads to ignore coverThats a big ask AND it doesn't natively ignore hidden
I like this new detachment system but every datasheet getting an ability needs to go.
>>97999950post that picture with that sister shooting herself again!
>>97999968That I agree with.You either give every unit an ability or you do detachments/strats.Not both as then you're stacking way too much on top of each other/it becomes tedious to remember. Unit rules really need to be reserved for characters and 'maybe' specialists
What does he listen to?
>>97999975Even then specialists should just get an USR to keep things consistent and easy to remember.
>>97999844>a detachment just to give a character reroll 1 hit and 1 woundWtf is this shit. Even if it’s one detachment point that’s a third of your allotment for an ass rule. Even the dark angels and space wolves ones are so mind numbingly boring
>>97999883Reminder that this is exactly what happened with 6/7th and it caused the rise of various other fantasy wargames, caused stores to start dropping GW because it wasn't worth keeping them around and it would have ended GW for good if paypigs didn't love Marines But Bigger so much and now they're too powerful to ever have that happen again..
>>97999975Yeah there's just way too much shit to remember about enemy units. Army, multiple detatchments and unit rules all stacking on top of each other for 20+ armies means lots of "gotcha" moments.
>>97999985I like it. You're mixing 2/3 of these to get your army special rules. They shouldn't be complex.
>>97999982brazilian phonk
>>97999982looxmaxxing podcasts edits remixed over asmr of normie women where they insult chat
>narrative is being woven into the core game!>everything is actually dumbed down with less flavor The relentless advance of enshitification stops for no one.
>detection rangeso we can now have sneaky bois beyond lone operative and stealth?
>>97999961or you can just take one diaper wearing boy.COTEAZ META INCOMING
Hope speeders can be taken in squadrons.
>>97999744Most of the primaris unit names are actual words. I don't understand why people keep acting like they're a copyright thing. I think "inceptor" might be the only made-up one.
>>98000009How is this being dumbed down? It's significantly more crunchy than in 10th.
>>98000029Because after the tenth non-descriptor name it becomes silly and hard to remember.
>>98000037Yeah, but that's a different complaint.
>>98000029Isn't an inceptor some kind of ship?
>>97999844Even showing off something for the Phobian loving faggots of 40kg
>>97999983That I agree onSticky Objectives, +1 to hit in x situation/whatever should have it just be a uniform word across all books instead of 7 names for the same thing.Objective Secured for sticky as an example >>97999989Exactly.It becomes an issue not just of remembering your own stuff but the opponent as well.Combined that with several detachments coming into play you will basically need to bring a cheat sheet for every army if you are hitting a tourney
>>98000031Yeah removing Blood Axe detachment rules for letting your guys be action monkeys and battleline storm boyz is really narrative focused and crunchy for sure!
>>98000045Man, GSC are so beautifully kino.
>>98000000Who was the lucky post.
>>979999943 braindead simple rules does not make an army interesting
>>98000045CoDMarines so unbelievably lame.
>>98000029Inceptor means beginner
>>98000059Watch out you're about to be called a fakegrog zoomer tourist nomodels secondary for crapping on Phobosian marines
Does this confirm Deathwatch is kill since they’re the only marine faction that wasn’t shown off?
I want to do 1000p of dorfs in the rock raider scheme but I still want them to be dwarfy. Do you think slightly raising the heads of their terminators so their chin juts out a little bit more and putting a greenstuff beard on them would look too stupid?
>>98000047It is when you can mix it wkth two other detachments.
What do we think of our queens latest video on 40k?
>>98000075I don't even need to open the thumbnail to know that's a man
So they added the AOS stratagem that allows you to charge anything on opponent's turn for 2cp.
>>98000075Is that (((Stephanie Sterling)))
>>98000075I thought he quit
>>98000066They'll be part of Agents.Assuming GW doesn't try to squat them again
>>98000074Ah yes, the crunch of 11th edition, mixed with the narrative. Pathetic that you defend this.
>>98000075What happened to Lise?
>>98000075>every video is negative except the paywalled one, and even that one seems to be framed less to praise TC and more to shit on 40kwow it's /tg/ the youtube channel
>librarius conclave soft confirms were keeping the fuck ass psychic rulesDead edition, wake me up when hey show off 12th
>>98000109Every non-40k wargame is inevitably compared to it and used to argue for or against rather than on its own merits by sloptubers
>>97999982Korn
>70 new and updated detachments>the edition isn't even out yet and space marines already take up 7 slotsgreat. the meme that 35 of the new and update detachments being space marines is coming true.
>>98000098Why do they even bother to pretend they are trying to bring narrative back into the gameplay?
>>98000029It's just the verb version of 'inception'
>>98000098I'm not saying it's particularly narrative (though being able to combo rules to fit my dudes specifically is narrative) but it's definitely crunchier than 10th.
>>98000140Marines as a whole get 3. And then BA BT DA SW get 3 each.
>>98000153>but it's definitely crunchier than 10thAre you aware that the left side is 10th edition?
Why is GW always so uncoordinated?>40k 11th edition around the corner>new KT box about Cadians vs Nid boss monsterWhy did they not make up a small little story about a squad of Armageddon Ork Hunters vs a new big Ork model, and tie it into the 11th Armageddon narrative, basically as an intro and teaser at the same time? Dont get me wrong, the Red Terror is a cool model, and the spec-ops cadians are not bad either, but am i the only one who thinks this is a huge missed opportunity?
>>98000075Genuine clickbait and asked YT to never recommend me this shit again
>>98000096I do hope the revamp agents to work more like the 3rd edition inquisition codexes.
>>980001631) Because GW is ass at management & executives, like most companies.2) Because everything comes after the models, then the models are allocated to "bundles/waves" of releases.
>>98000161Are you aware that the possible combinations between detachments are by definition more crunch than selecting a single detachment? Crunch isn't the literal amount of rules, it's what you can do with them.
>>98000158those are space marines amigo
>>98000175Let me rephrase that. Codex compliant marines.
>>98000172>Crunch isn't the literal amount of rules, it's what you can do with themLol. Lmao even.
>>98000176if 35/70 new detachments are space marines and flavored space marines, that's not a difference from just being space marines.
>>98000163KT season release is late summer/early fall, after the big 40k releases. Those will be the boxsets that tie in with Armageddon.
>>98000166It would be nice but Agents is very much the army of "Oh god we made these units but they're not playable otherwise." Its the grab bag army, even if I love the idea of bringing in Inquisitors.Having storm troopers as the base with the option to bring in specialist Marines/Sisters would be fantastic but I very much think its going to remain a mixed bag
>>97999941Wait, which detachment is that?
Stratagems are homosexual. Why was this gotcha shit added to the game?
The guard update on my end continues. Two more infantry squads then two command squads to go before the army is in a playable state again.
>>98000196iconoclast fiefdomit was added as a free pdf on the warcom website
>>98000179sorry chuddy, but marinebros are the main characters
>>98000206For homosexuals such as yourself!
>>98000210Ahh thank you. I was looking in the codex. This seems like exactly what I am looking for.Also, is wahapedia down for anyone else?
>>98000206It was added because the target demographic changed from wargamers to t-sport enthusiasts.
>>98000183It will be something completely unrelated again. Probably GSC vs 1k Sons or something like that.
>>98000209How well do the SA torsos go on Cadian legs (are the waists similar size enough)? Have you tried them on old IG legs (Cadian/Catachan)?
>>98000232Not working for me right now. I saw some other people mention that it was undergoing some maintenance.
>>98000158wit the way GW treated the BA refresh, I'm surprised they're even getting their own detachments
>>98000206>"You don't use stratagems, right?">Me and bro:
>>98000238Old IG legs they would work better.The new IG you need to cut the belt from the Cadian Torso alongside the flaps (not hard), cut down the poutches/flaps in certain spots on the Cadian legs (A little annoying) and then greenstuff it to gap fill.Its not a perfect fit but it looks decent enough unless you know what to look for.
>>98000240Compensated for their shitty refresh. They have more than SW or DA and way stronger.
>>98000244>>98000238I actually just went and cut a torso off the sprue to measure on the old cadian legs.1-1 Fit, no extra work. If you like the older style legs better, feel free to use those as you can just slap it on.
>>98000244Good to hear, thanks.
>>98000261>>98000264
>>97999982D-Rok’s Oblivion, specifically “Noise Marines” and “Welcome to my World” duh
>>98000045God, I love Phobos
>>98000188It's not like they need much, just a couple of basic units to build around. They already have inquisitors, henchmen, rhinos, chimeras and assassins. All they are lacking is a proper core troop of inqusitorial storm troopers (that don't even need a specific kit, they can use the kasrkin or scion kits) and the new detachment system giving them access to a small list of units from DW/GK/SoB/IG units so they have some actual guns. What hurts them the most is 10th's complete lack of wargear customization since inqusitors and henchmen live off of that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceWolves/comments/1t28gzf/bizarre_behavior_exposed_on_4chn_tg_warhammer/
>>98000045damn, those are some dumb genestealer cultists to have so many marines get the drop on them.
Come on James reveal wargear points I know you're hiding them for a surprise.
>>98000300I mean, the detachment system really would help by allowing them to basically build into an Ordo of their choice or add rules to their basic storm troopers to make them behave differently. The lack of wargear options for the bands and Inquisitors is awful though, I agree there but I think the problem is GW doesn't want to open up that box again as they don't really have a 'bespoke' kit like the captains where you can build an inquisitor of your choice. Being able to build a custom inquisitor was half the fun of Codex Witch Hunters/Demon Hunters.
Bros, I’m not really feeling hopeful for 11th being better.
>>98000318We don’t have any points anymore and never will. You will enjoy your “ points “ (powerlevels)
>>98000324Not having a proper inquisitor kit is a mistake they should correct, yeah, but henchment do have a kit. The weapons of that kit are handled well enough but the cool part of henchmen wasn't the weapons, it was the esoteric wargear they could bring. The only thing the 10th edition rules mention is the tome. I think ideally the army should have the core of inquisitors, henchment, stormtroppers, assassins and transports plus>ordo xenos detachment: all the deathwatch stuff>ordo malleus detachment: all the grey knights stuff>ordo hereticus detachment: all the SoB stuff>requisition: IG stuff so you have access to leman russes for anti tank/monsterReally the army only needs a proper chaff unit, a proper tanky unit and some anti armour.
>>98000333No, Cruddace. Points are coming back and you will rot in Hell.
>>98000345> Add Stormtroopers datasheet > Stormtroopers are the only Battleline option> 6 Detachments:> Ordo Xenos: Battleline Deathwatch> Ordo Hereticus: Battleline Sisters and Arbites > Ordo Malleus: Battleline Grey Knight Terminators> Imperialis Navy: Battleline Breachers> New Inquisitorial detachment: Battleline Agents, can requisition up to 500pts of IMPERIUM units from a single Codex, no Epic heroes, flyers or titanics.Plus Land Raiders, Valkyries, Razorbacks and maybe GK Strike Squads. Add SoB Palatine, GK Brother Captain and Arbites Judge.Also unlegend Daemonhosts, Crusaders, Death Cults and Jokaero.
>>980003736th detachment is Veiled Blade lol
>>98000373>Also unlegend Daemonhosts, Crusaders, Death Cults and Jokaero.These are a single upgrade sprue for henchmen away to be a thing. I cadians can get a fucking upgrade sprue despite 80% of kits being cadian already I think they can spare one for inquisitors.
>>98000345Anti-Armor felt like the bigger issue but I do agree in that you get 'options' on the henchmen but its more weapons and less weird stuff like familiars, warding runes, etc. An inquisitor kit would really need to boil down to....A. Do you keep them in Carapace/4++ or do you give the options for Power Armor/a Terminator like the older codex?B. Pick a primary detachment that can be one of the major ordos (How you build into DW, or bring Sisters/GK) or do you do a lesser Ordo that lets you buff your storm troopers and then tie into a 'requisition' Detachment to bring in Vanilla Marines/Guard (Maybe limit the selection a little?)I can see the 'Minor Ordo' or 'x task Force' being something where you play with/tool up your stormtroopers/henchmen to behave in certain roles then you can tie it either into a Major Ordo or Allied in force.
The detachments they're showing in these articles are everything each faction is getting until the codex?
>>98000390Are you feeling the hype? :)
>>98000383>>98000345Holy shit, don't study and type at the same time, you get half a thought out then go off on a tangentA. See if you want to keep it Carapace with Invul or include Power armor optionsB. Include a series of power/force weapons tailored to certain targets (Chaff Clear, Character Killing, Big Boy slaying) and then pistols or full rifles as an option to make a ranged character. C. Options to be a psyker/nonpsyker at varying levels.
>>98000390You can still use your codex detachments (allegedly):^)
>>98000383>A. Do you keep them in Carapace/4++ or do you give the options for Power Armor/a Terminator like the older codex?I think the kit should be like those TOW kits where you have a character and a mounted character in a single box, but you get a normal inquisitor and a power armoured inquisitor body and all the heads and arms can be mixed and matched between them.
>>98000394Most of those 70 detachments will be updates to the codex ones. I supposed they'll release a list of the valid detachments and their cost.
>>98000395Honestly, that was one thing I was thinking.A kit that lets you make two characters, one with a Power Armored body and the other with Carapace. Include a few chest options and head options (Bare headed, Psychic hood, Witch Hunter brim, maybe an enclosed 'tech'/modified scion helm, and then a Knight Helm/Bucket helm) and then various weapons and gribblies to blend into the specific ordos. Something that lets you either build something that looks like the bespoke image of an Ordo inquisitor or a hodgepodge of random shit looted from across the galaxy and stuck on some guy.
I forget, do vehicles get cover if partially obscured in 11th like they do in 10th?
>>98000403>>98000395Ostromandeus has a 3+ save, is it really so difficult to just give Inquisitors a 3+ baseline? Call it artificer-made.
>>98000414Its more a look thing.Certain inquisitors are very clearly wearing Carapace armor while others are running around in power armor.Yet others exist in some weird inbetween where it can go either way.The big thing is GW is pretty adverse to 'Unlike stats/gear in squads' so GW would probably go "No you can't put this 3+ inquisitor with 4+ storm troopers" as its against their current design ethos
>>98000421Remember back in the day when any character could attach to any unit? Those were the days.
>>98000433I do but GW seems to want to cut down on the weirdness of having units with mixed saves/toughness. The only exception at the moment is Commissars joining Ogryn
>>98000448Not sure why this would matter when characters can't be targeted until the unit is dead. It's more about GW being dumb and designing characters about stupidly OP buffs that can't go on every unit.
>>98000508I'm pretty sure its more to try and prevent wound allocation shenanigans or to prevent issues of Majority toughness.
>>97999864because this is a catch all term for models being placed on board that includes deep strike amongst the half a dozen other ways you can do that shitits not deleting the term deepstrikecalling dudes walking onto aboard edge from reserve deepstriking would be more retarded
>>97999982Nightcore
>>98000318They won't reveal shit because 11th edition is just going to be 10.5, and the removal of the PPM system is a big part of 10th as a whole.At best we'll be seeing a points system 3 years from now in 12th edition, but I would NOT hold your breath for it.
>>98000568the only system you'll see 3 years from now is points replaced by the price of the box
Incredibly depressing to see the Orks vs. Space Marines preview differences. They may just get me out of this game yet. I'm not doing another edition with 10e levels of jerking off SM.
>>98000568The closest we are getting right now is certain enhancements now being able to be given to non-hero units.Which if done well could be wargear-lite.
Are we all prepared for the emphasis on stealth, hidden and detection ranges to turn out to be complete and total ass in play and be nerfed within 3 months of release?
>>98000576Marine game, retard. Go play starcraft if you want to play with alien shits.
If gw took the countercharge stratagem from aos then they'll be taking the shoot on opp's turn one too and replacing overwatch with it.
>>98000582there is also rumors from the competitive scene that GW is adding back psychic powers as codexes come back and powers have points costs linked to them. take that as you will.
>>98000591>marine gamefuck off back to /hhg/, faggot
>>98000585Its either going to be a negligible thing that is situationally useful or horribly broken. From a few guys I've heard that have test played with it at the moment, its not too terribly unbalanced but its also one of those things where a detachment that goes too hard into it may become horribly noninteractive
>>98000568They could add ppm and wargear cost in any MMF. Both are completely independent on the datasheets and datasheets are still written with ppm in mind.
>>98000582>Which if done well could be wargear-lite.It's still nowhere near close. This is just like the old tank upgrades and stuff like that, the loadouts of units sitll need to have different costs so that internal balance isn't completely in shambles for another 3 years.
>>98000598Cry more, Marines own 40k and 30k simply proves it. Your shitheel NPC factions exist because of Marines.
>>98000618>c-cry morego back to your marineslop containment general
>>98000585In the grim darkness of the far future two armies face off and tiptoe around hidden ranges and countercharge distances for 5 turns.
>>98000613No, datasheets are not written with ppm in mind, see Krieg engineers, for example
>>98000623You say this as if judging the range of the enemy wasn't the most basic of factors in any type of fighting.
FACT! No diehard marinefag who calls xenos NPCs owns models.
>>98000618>Marines>capital Mdoakes.jpg
>>98000630Necrons and Nids are NPCs, doe
>>98000591>>98000618Falseflagging aeldari player detected.
