Work in Progress, "Taco Tuesday/Cinco de Mayo" Double Collage Edition>Full-on /WIP/ OP Links Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/BE42AEcD>WIP Tutorial Images Megahttps://mega.nz/#F!TvQFCaLb!w8WZKCcOsTRasxrI0JWezw>Saint Duncan's "Six Things I Wish I Knew When I Started Painting"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufP8ka3KGno>Saint Duncan also explains thinning your paintshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxWgsqSf74s>Paint thinning 102https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDVPoNXyVI>4 EASY Chipping Tricks For Beginnershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku4comhKHJM>Decal Like a Prohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYKLiEW7p9c>How to Edge Highlighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoRbYuAfbEk>How to use contrast style paintshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhholrozptI>How to Paint with Tremorshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqp76vAJu9g>Airbrush Priming and Thinninghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkntrSBvXxEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGjBQzoukFghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00JVUxABe44https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEqT_R41JX8>Who's Johnny, she'd say, and smile in her special wayhttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Johnny>Previous Threads:>>97991865>>97975698>>97962146
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idk anons im not vibing with how its turning out
>>98003069KDM minis are unironically cool and the coomer ones are great for practicing skin
No picture yet. But I forgot how tedious it is to mask and airbrush gunpla stuff.Because I'm time crunched I'm going to just be priming the pieces, and then doing the rest of the painting in subassemblies rather than painting each of the hundred+ parts separately
Has anyone ever tried gap filling with brush-on primer, just to see what would happen?
>>98003685seeing nips masking their waifu garage kits is pretty insane, dont think I could manage that
>>98003507I think the unpainted black sections are throwing off the vibe of the piece. Slop some basecoats on those areas and check again.
>>98003715Yes. It leaves a giant dent where the gap is.
>>98003507I think nmm needs brighter edge highlights and more contrast especially on the wing thingies
>>98003721It's not as hard as you'd think tbdesu
Still a million little greebles to do but the titan silhouette is complete. Apart from the models that stand on the battlements and the interior of the head I may have this finished this weekend.
>>98003769Oh I'm sure it's doable skill-wise but it just looks so fucking tedious
>>98003772struth
>>98003771Nice progress anon. Giving me motivation to finish my Warhound, but I'm still stuck trying to figure out how to weather the black parts of the armour.
>>98003685doesn't painting parts separately reduce the need for masking and save time in the end? I don't see any time saving benefit to painting assemblies unless it's something like a joint.
>>98003822Depends on the model and to what level you're painting said model.
>>98003822You might be right. with the weather techniques i'm planning on using I think it's going to be easier and more cohesive to do them on largely assembled pieces rather than each individual panel.
>>98003885at the most basic level if you want to paint the red plastic parts red and the white plastic parts white I don't see how doing it separately is going to be harder than putting them together and then having to mask the red parts off.
Finally, after week of experimentations, I managed to get good quality copies of small forearm elements from one kit with deep enough connection holes that they can serve as guidance for deeper ones. Any remaining but very small deformations most probably comes from using little too much material but it's pretty hard to guess how much exactly will be required and avoid situation when it's too little and two halves won't connect.Also, I was probably overheating blue stuff (I was putting it for 3-4 minutes in water that just stopped boiling) so I waited a bit first and reduced time to 2 minutes, resulting in BS actually flowing into connection holes. Or it was about better pressure since I also made thicker and more sturdy pressing block.
Also, whole week of mold making and copies production and that's the result. I just wanted to dab a little but it always ends like this. Used up 3/4 of that Dspiae modelling putty bars but I guess it was worth it.
>>98003892>and then having to mask the red parts off.That's the "Hard part", again, depends on the kit. Sometimes keeping things separate is just easier. If you're talking at the most basic level, and you've already determined it will be simple. Why the question? Just do what you think will work then run into the road block yourself.
First time painting a large gem.I think it turned out quite alright, and it's taught me a lot about how I need to be painting my smaller gems, too.And finally, the bull is done. I can move into the throne and rider at last
>>98003819are those waterslides or freehand?
>>98003934Working on a girlpla submission for the GB?
>>98004014Waterslides I had to recreate myself and have them printed in a custom order because GW have stopped selling most of the Forge World decal sheets.
>>98004017Yes. Even if I won't have time in July (anime cons means having thousands of photos from cosplay/idol performances to sort and work on) I simply had to at least try to finish something. But this time use mostly optional parts, which I obsessively hoard, only really needed forearms and faces, not "3/4 of model parts are scratchbuilt" like last time.My little dream is to make Symphogear-like character but that dream will have to wait.
>>98004029NTA but that's really nice. I have some decal paper (both transparent and white) for laser printer but I guess I would need to contact one of local print services anyway since I don't have that special white cartridge. Any tips for preparing such decals?
>>98004048Set yourself a 5mm margin on all sides, I highly recommend you use a vector graphics software of sorts if you know how. I don't know what else I can say, but I'll try to anwser your questions if you have any.Also, I got them done by a guy on etsy.
>>98004048depending on you usecase you could leave white transparent and paint the white on the model, that's how victrix transfers work
>>98004251Makes sense but I wanted at least couple various emblems in all white.>>98004080I'm just at planning phase but thanks anyway. Just wanted to know if there are some obvious "first time errors" that I could easily avoid.
any tips for the rust on this sloven knight? Is it really enough to just paint brown in the cracks then dust it with pigment?
Base coated some more retards with a spray can. Should use my airbrush more often but getting a good paint-to-water mix is a hassle.Any pointers for doing the Ork? Kinda just trying to follow a generic Goff scheme at the moment.
>want to paint NMM part>paint it with metallic paint>take a photo>replicate with normal paints over ithow retarded would this be
>>98004689This is a good idea.
Anyone has a tutorial on how to pain a rich burgundy cloth?
>>98004753>all those bottlesspotted the actual resident schizo
>>98004805Looking for references I saw many of them were this weird shiny clothMy guess is I can get to this result with some black, wine red, and sunny skin toneam i missing something? any other suggestions or approaches?
>>98004826>saw many of them were this weird shiny clothhow can you reach an adult age and not recognize velvet
>>98004826>>98004839the picture alone triggers such a strong sensory memory for me, I can't believe someone could go their whole lives without feeling this stuff
Current status for Nagash. Sorry for bad quality. I guess I will add some skeletons and/or minions to his diorama base.
>>98004753Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!
>>98004689>Anon discovers reference photosIf it's stupid but it works...
>>98004874reminded me how horse hoof looks with the outer hard part removedthank god i already ate
>>98004973Strange reaction
>>98004973>how horse hoof looks with the outer hard part removedI don't know what that looks like, and didn't know that was possible. Do I want to know?
>>98005003no you dont
>>98005003>>98005009>>98005019personally I enjoy watching hoof trimming videos on youtube, both horse and cow.
>>98004666for the ork drybrush all the metal parts before anything else. you only need 2 colors for the skin maybe a wash
>>98005095they dont generally remove the whole hoof and leave the poor animal walking on that red stub of nightmare fuel
Done the airbrushing segment of my next two Raveners. The other guy isn't quite done, but I'll work his finishing steps in when I reach a similar point with these guys>>98004689Don't paint metallic, just go with a flat black. It should still show you where the light catches the most, but then you aren't putting metallic pigments down under the black that you're probably going to start your NMM with anyways
>>98004826I don't exactly have a tutorial but I use TTC burgundy triad for mine but anything close will obviously work. Basically>basecoat Sword Hilt Burgundy>slowly add Royal Cloak to your basecoat and layer in the shadows, for deepest recesses you can also add a touch of a very dark blue >same process for highlights only add Glistening Gums instead
>>98004811Can order a bunch online for cheap, I like them as handles as well. Can punch holes in the cap if you're pinning models and can just replace the caps when they get too funky. I ended up mixing some sand and stuffed it into the bottoms to weigh mine down.
>>98002168Happened to me but for the course of most of a year last year. im genuinely very sorry for your loss man.
>>98005465>Can order a bunch online for cheapi didn't know you can just buy them, however i'd rather buy some wood and screws
>>98005465I was doing this for a while. But what I did was take lids from actual schizo bottles since I did just have a bunch of those, and since they're largely interchangeable I just kept a couple of the orange parts swapped the lids around.
I dont usually use metallic paints but I am considering it for vehicles. I mean, cars are typically painted with metallic paints.Thoughts?
whats with the sudden push of nmm from every direction
>>98005756new meme video popped up, just ignore it, it's a fad yet again
>>98005762Did one actually? NMM isn't exactly novel.>>98005756People are learning to evolve and improve their painting skills. You should try it.
im about to meet up with someone liquidating a fuckload of old metal warhammer minis and im gonna spend like 15-20 on each sealed onehoping to get some epic scale shit
>>98005756idk but it's really fucking annoying. Every single painter is now doing NMM which is pushing out new people from painting since it sets the bar extremely high.
>>98005817>x is pushing new people from hobbyThis is bad exactly how?Also, stop being a terminally online retard, stop caring about sloptuber trends, and you will enjoy the hobby (any hobby) a lot more. You are a hobby equivalent of a unhappy zoomer girl who compares herself to all the gay faggot instagram influencers.
>>98005817>people trying new things and attempting to improve is le badlmao what a faggot
>>98005891But newbies dont do that, they complain "X is hard" or "Y is complicated" then the established merchants think "We need to secure new consumers!" and the hobby gets dumbed down as a result.Gatekeep the newfags to only those who want o learn AND will learn, and the merchants are forced to continue catering to established standards.
>>98005940
>>98005940I'm not sure I understand what you're suggesting merchants are doing? NMM is more divorced from products than any other metallic style.
>>98005966I suppose that I'm just imagining contrast paints and corporate funded youtuber slapchop spam.
>>98005940first thing that came to mind was some advertising campaign for soon to be released nmm paint product line
>>98005985I'm not the anon complaining about NMM, that's a newfag who needs to be gatekept.
>>98005756>>98005817This is simply not happening, you people watch too many youtube shills. The only places where NMM is trending (not pushed, that's retarded), are specific painting boards and channels such is this one.
AP quickshade came out sometime in the 2000's, long before whatever the new hotness of the month is. Companies have always and will always try to find ways to push new products. But here's the thing, you can choose not to use it or follow trends. Just paint what you want.
>>98005722Cars are, but military and utiity vehicles aren't. Eldar vehicles especially so, since they're wraithbone.
>>98005994There is no such thing as an nmm paint product line. Maybe Flameon's monument signature pack?
>>98006014>trending youtube videos aren't an artifically propped up thingLmao, and blackrock isn't paying all the "big" name ecelebs to run their channels instead of having a job to influence youth opinions.
>>98006014Strictly mini painting youtubers don't really push NMM, display painters do NMM and people like it so it trends. The reality is that you're going to need to do NMM to be competitive in these scenes because it's just got a much higher skill ceiling and can give a more interesting and intentional result.Maybe it's possible to paint like a full complicated and nuanced TMM with vallejo's line, but I've never seen it, and I suspect the actual reflectivity would be at odds with any more complicated NMM because you'd get the real specular not supporting whatever painted in reflections.
>>98004548Yeah brown and orange. Do some stippling if you're feeling fancy, the messier the better
>>98005782Good luck
>>98006040No one benefits from "pushing NMM", dipshit. There's no secret cabal of Jewish bankers pulling the strings behind youtube mini painting channels.
>>98005845>>98005891>>98005940>>98006014literally every single golden demon entry is NMM
>>98006075Someone benefits if the industry is preparing to release some new contrast-esque shitty knockoff NMM equivalent.
>>98006057Yes, correct. Regular painters want to emulate NMM because they see the pros do it. There is no push, just a trend. These boys are just butthurt about it because the way they used to do it is not currently in style. They should get with the times or not care, instead of pissing and moaning about it.
>>98006081And it could be as simple as not enough paints are selling, the line going up has stagnated and something must be done to make it go up more, pushing metallic style that requires three paint pots instead of one could be an attempt at that.>>98006075>There's no secret cabal of Jewish bankers pulling the strings behind youtube mini painting channels.That is exactly how almost every youtube channel on the algorithm works.
>>98006103>pushing metallic style that requires three paint pots instead of one could be an attempt at that.That is TMM though, not NMM.
>>98006081How exactly does that influence your own painting, retard-kun?
>>98006090How the fuck would that work? NMM works because you deliberately place your shading, you can't get that from a bottle like the simple ambient occlusion shading that is contrast paint.Also, who would start shilling a technique so they can then invent a complex paint to simulate it so they can sell it? They would invent it first, then find a way to shill it. You are brainbroken my friend, take some time off the interwebs.
>>98006113Walk me through how NMM requires only one colour and not three or more for the gradient again?
>>98006103>That is exactly how almost every youtube channel on the algorithm works.No, they work because people watch it and buy the products in the ads. Painting channels get people to buy models and paint, the end.
>>98006123>shitty knockoffKey word, if they've got some kind of two-tone contrast deal it might look like something they could market as a "one coat NMM"
>>98006134it works because bots push what corporations want pushed>anons never seen 500 iphones rigged up on a boardNGMI
>>98006135That defeats the entire point of it and wouldn't sell.
>muh corporate subversion>muh sloptuber trends>muh golden gaymon/40kg/ is eagerly awaiting for your return, faggot.
>>98006156>That defeats the entire point of itnot if that product is more expensive than normal paints>wouldn't sellanything marketed to newfags as making painting like the pros easier sells, case in point: contrast paint
>>98006147Those bots are to fake engagement with a piece of media. The creator of said media is buying the bots, not the corporation putting ads on that media. The corporation doesn't give a shit who gets the views, they just want their ads to be seen.
>>98006181No, it defeats the point of NMM.Contrast paint is for people who don't like to paint so they can slap something okay looking together in an hour and get to play the game, it was never marketed as a way to paint like the pros.And again, you can't get a NMM effect from a bottle, effects paints are not magic.
>>98006123Hear me out... a special kind of light reactive paint. You spray it all over your model (or the Metal parts at least), and then you put your model in the environment you want to simulate in the NMM, maybe outside in the garden or whatever. And it comes with a glass ball made of hundreds of tiny collimating lenses sort of like a bug's eye, that take the ambient light and focus the ambient light into distinct parallel beams. You put the model inside of the ball so that the beams impact the model. The special paint would pick up whatever light wavelengths were hitting it (would have to combine them accurately, since real light isn't just all pure single wavelength light) and after leaving it like that for a few minutes it would cure and hold that color.That would get your your baseline, very accurate, and not particularly interesting NMM. It would also be a scientific marvel.
>>98006182Oh yes, sloptubers make money from ads to feed themselves by instead spending that money on fake views, riiight.No you idiot.Corporation funds sloptuber lifestyle of having no job and living in front of their webcam. Corporation funds botfarm to put that sloptuber on the algorithm so that trending is a sure thing instead of an investment risk.Corporation now benefits because narrative that they wrote to be pushed by sloptuber is now a trending thing.
>>98006198>you can'tuntil you can.chemistry is nifty, such a thing might be workable by leveraging specific densities, the way a bartender can pour a layered drink in reverse so that the first alcohol poured ends up on the top of the glass as a completely separate layer from everything else.
>>98006127I'm sorry you don't have black and white paint, or like virtually any very dark or light paints I guess. The point is you can use the paints you already would have for general purpose. You can do the whole CMYK+W, or 13 pantone base colours or whatever base you want to start with, and not start adding on specialty metallic paints.I'm not advocating for that specifically though, by the time somebody is getting into NMM they probably have a decent paint collection. I can't imagine anybody outside of people who are already artists jumping into mini painting with the express goal of doing NMM right off the bat.
>>98006117new painters have it pretty bad they are already marinated with these spectacular and overly clean promotional paintjobs they cannot possibly relate to and have been sold racks worth of paints and accessories up the ass to make them attain that level right from the getgoinstead of going trough the process where they start from humble basics they have to spend loads of money on stuff they dont actually need just to realize i wasted all this money when all i had to do was learn to layer and drybrush
>>98006233So you're a consoomer that wanted the quick fix instead of learning, and that is somehow everyone else's fault?
>>98006223>You can do the whole CMYK+W,Yes, newfag consumers are totally doing this, no one owns 50 shades of green paint.
NMM is pointless when metallic paints exist and light will naturally create the same effect NMMfags spend 100000 hours replicating.A miniature still interacts with light the way a large statue would.
>>98006233Shut the fuck up, you redditor subhuman. I hate the absolute FAGGOTS like you. You come to a random hobby space and start making retarded ass social drama about some retarded ass made up bullshit. BUILD THE FUCKING MINISPAINT THE FUCKING MINISDRILL YOUR BARRELSPOST PICS OF YOUR MINISThat's it, that's what this thread is for. If you want retarded faggot ass "cause" to "fight for" then go back to plebbit, you effeminate drama-addicted queer.
ah so the thread is unusable today huh
>>98006254>>98006262but anon ive been here posting my stuff before there was /tg/ to begin with
>>98006208And the corpo benefits how?>>98006218No you can't. The NMM effect cannot be achieved through a chemical process because it requires deliberate choices.
I bet it's all the same faggot starting this gay ass drama these past few days, too
>>98006292>>98006262Post minis or gtfo.
>>98006261I see NMM as a way to test and improve your understanding of how light interacts with objects. Like the stereotypical bowl of fruit painting, its there so you can learn how light and shadow behaves on mainly spherical objects (and the odd banana). Improving fundamentals makes everything else you do better, just like painting improves your brush control making everything else you paint better or easier. People getting upset over it is their problem, nothing or nobody telling them how they can put paint on their little plastic guys.>>98006289Shitposter-kun got in early today.
>>98006295It's pretty obvious, yeah.
>>98006260I don't know if you're being sarcastic because that IS actually something that some sloptubers push. The CMYK thing at least. Even though it's terrible advice for anyone of any level, and nobody does it for real it's just a gimmick for youtube clout. At least people who do NMM just because they are capable of it are actually winning competitions by doing it, the CMKY pushers I'm familiar with are youtubers with no credibility or competition wins, they don't even paint with mixes, their whole thing is just>look you can make 800 paint colours by buying only 4 inks! Look at all these sheeple buying so many paints!Gives very Mitchel and Webb farming "It comes out of the fucking ground!" vibes.
>>98006261Here we go again. Achieve this effect with metallic paint and you win the argument. I'll wait.
>>98006311inb4 "well it doesn't look good irl, only in photos from certain angles" from people who have never seen a well painted model in real life.
>>98006295>>98006301nope but i admit i did kickstart this shitshow off who knew it was this complicated issue
Post your best NMM recipes. Preferably gold and steel.
>>98006346>nope>but i did kickstart this shitshow off, tee heeAre you unironically mentally impaired? Please fuck off back to /40kg/ already
>>98006311I wonder how painting a mini chrome would look
>>98006352https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGyM2aACAAkHe paints with oils but his videos delve a lot into color theory which is still pretty valuable. Like he'll paint a red space marine and use three different shade colors to show how it changes how the red looks in the end. Its a shame that he made videos for like a year then stopped.
>>98006306I personally wouldn't suggest anyone actually try CMYBW but you do only need one of each basic colour of the rainbow.
>>98006371Not as cool as you'd hope, because it's the reflected environment that makes chrome look good.
>in the 41st millenium, there is no camo or stoic colour>only chrome
>>98006311>aircraft aluminum scale model paint>photograph outsideNow, get that effect at 28mm scale on a /tg/ miniby NMM instead of a 1/18 or whatever bust.I'll wait.
>>98006432Do it then, show us.
>>98006371
>>98006474The freehand in the water is just flexing. There’s no need for that.I like his salamander a lot
>>98006474To be clear, a chrome mini would never look like this, only NMM can achieve this.
>>98006503>niggerSo everyone just doesn't give a fuck that they're coal-blacks of ANY race in the lore due to geneseed error and not mono-nigger brown africans?That's hilariously racist.>we wuz mahreens n' sheeit.. in spess
>>98006545mirror paint for the "water" could get close in the right photograph environment.
>>98006548>everyoneThis is one guy's mini.
Speaking of Flameon does someone have a slight idea of what pink is he using right after mapping the lights with white?https://youtu.be/ZBcZevrBwcQ
>>98006548you're REALLY trying too hard at this point, it's embarassing
>>98006503>The freehand in the water is just flexing.Yes, but it also looks like shit because it's not a correct reflection.
>>98006564This is every salamander mini.
>>98006582I just did an image search and I'm seeing significantly more coal skins than Africans.
might as well just throw in a europe vs na or some other /b/ tier garbage in here, you fucking inbred cretins
>he paints shadows on a 3d object ISHYGDDT
He's falling back to his second position.
>>98006565Someone?
>>98006695Does it matter? Just look at it and pick something similar.
>>98006695>he actually hid the paints usedI hate sloptubers like you wouldn't believe
>>98006648>He's falling back to his second position.My Infiltratprs have taken it already. Their Omniscramblers prevent him from deploying within 12" of it.>>98006695Wild guess... Screamer Pink?
>>98006725Those are some very fine looking Infiltrators, Anon.
>>98006725>>98006725>My Infiltratprs have taken it already.kek
What do you think about the phrase>value does all the work but color gets all the credit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJjxOjfmh8QI dont know.. Its Duncan, and i kinda wanted to like his miniatures, but seeing this first ever mini he/they show... Its the mascot, but it looks so generic and just "whatever". I dont think there will be anything worthwhile coming out of Duncans miniature range. But maybe i'm too pessimistic here?
>>98006835https://youtu.be/cPeqyGig0vQ
>>98006837its dogslop for all his fanboy to gulp, dont think too hard about it
>>98006859Oh, no doubt about that. I still had hoped for something cooler i guess? I assume he has the money to pay for good sculptors. But yeah, there is enough on the market anyway.
>>98006865if you like what he does and want to give him your money then why not, atleast you get some physical memorabilia instead of just buying him a cup of coffee or having your name mentioned
Finally about to paint the first bladeguard, still takes me forever to sculpt the simplest things with gs>>98006371I plan to eventually try that, maybe on blades.
Just finished my first mini! The road to Golden Demon begins. C&C welcome :)
>reposting pics from reddit>he is still tryingat this point you should consider sudoku
>>98006979Have you considered actually doing some hobbying instead of shitposting here for literal hours, you fucking failure?
>>98006031There are paint sets specifically for things like skin tone (every shade of tan and brown and warm white) or vampires (the palest pale skin, bloods, black, white, etc) or zombies (green, grimy green, sickly pale green, brown). Plus those "artist" sets with a pallet of seven or eight colors supposedly picked out by some guy. A NMM set would just have to be a handful of commonly used grays and whites with a little pamphlet broadly explaining how to apply them.
>>98003715Primer is by design made to shrink and get really thin. It’s kinda the opposite of a gap filler. Try Vallejo plastic putty, as far as I can tell it’s quite literally just thick paint. It’s a bit tricky to use, I find good success by directly applying it with the tube applicator, then using a damp brush feather out the edges. It does shrink some, but man I can be done gap filling in less time than it would take me to mix my milliput. It’s natural tendency to wick is very useful, but you cannot really sculpt with it. It’s kinda like toothpaste consistency.
>>98006695Because he is a fucking faggot
>>98006981>>98006989Wrong photo sorry. This is the right one!
>>98006979From Reddit 2 years agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/1c17lv8/my_first_ever_miniature/Here's his latest mini
>>98005722Looks dope
>>98007090lmao it's probably better than anything shitposter-kun ever painted
>>98007086https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufP8ka3KGno
>>98007090That's actually good looking for tt standards, great values. If the man refines his basics and blendings he's set to win some lgs comps.
>>98006031I'm pretty sure AP sold a kit at some point, or at least told you which paints to buy.>>98006899Based rivet adder.
>>98006311Serious question, is there a reason why you couldn’t apply the exact same techniques used here but using metalic paint? I understood it that NMM was just a display of skill and a fun challenge for the painter and likely part of a contest. But I’ve seen people show TMM and it looks great too.
>>98007127With NMM that specific, you'd have double reflections. You can use some NMM techniques to improve TMM though.
>>98006899Your GS sculpting is good. For cloaks and stuff it’s often recommended to layout flat sheets then wait a bit for them to cure some, then drape them over the target. Might make your life easier.
>>98007134Wouldn’t that help with the whole claim about it looking good only at certain angles? Either way I do not have the skill to do that nmm so I stick with tmm.
Painting marines is easy. Big surfaces, simple reflections, minimal greebles and skin.
>>98007151And that's fine. Most people should just to TMM, because NMM is hard and takes long.Anyway, I've not seen a lot of people try NMM with metallics, so I dunno. If it worked well I'd expect to see more of it at golden demon or something.
>>98007205I just assumed that the main point of NMM was to show off your chops. If two people submitted neigh identical works I’d expect to be impressed by the one using more advanced techniques.
>>98007114He made a neat base for it too but the man sucks at taking photos so I didn't bother posting it
>>98007239It's not so much about JUST showing off your chops for it's own sake. For that you could argue people who are like "I ONLY use brushes and never airbrush to blend". That's just doing more (Admittedly skilled) work for the same result. You cannot achieve high level NMM or anything else approaching it's result with another technique. Like anon said, maybe NMM painted in metallics would look okay, but I've never seen it done and I suspect there are reasons for that.
>>98007151The thing is that there's two levels of NMM. If you look at picrel, it uses harsh transitions and bump lighting to say "this is chrome" but when you're looking at it you're not going to mistake it for real metal. It's almost a symbolic depiction. This I feel like would look good in TMM.Then there's the highest level of NMM where you're representationally depicting a reflective object, with "real" reflections painted on. This would look weird in TMM because you'd have that double reflection effect.>>98007239That is a factor but there's also a higher ceiling for it. TMM only really depicts satin metal, if you want to depict polished metal accurately it would be NMM to have the actual reflections.
>>98007239Metallic paints also just kinda suck to work with due to the way they're made. They WILL fuck up your brush with use and there's no avoiding it
>>98007254I dont get why people think blending is skillful. It’s literally the most braindead part of the process. It takes forever but glazing a million times is something even a noob could do with minimal instruction.The actual difficulty is in properly placing your values.
When you spot a mold line after you prime you just gotta scrape it...excited to paint this freak
>>98007281Glazing is a thing where either you have it or you don't, and if you don't have it it looks like voodoo.
>>98007077king
I stole this from the short lived epic scale threadAnyone recognize them? I have a sudden need for tiny infantry...
>>98007123I briefly considered adding small ones to the chestplates too (like they originally have) but I wanted to try a different look for it and compensate with transfers, freehands and whatnot>>98007139Yeah that's what I did, I just cut triangles from flat sheets. I followed a guide from that spanish dude on yt. I just kept redoing it because I was never fully satisfied with the shape etc
Working on some death riders
How am I supposed to paint the inside corners of trim without either spilling some on the base surface or not covering all of the interior of the trim???
>>98007437very carefully
>>98003715I use modeling paste most of the time, it's acrylic based. It starts out as, well, a paste kind of in the same ballpark as frosting or spackle, but it thins down all the way to be almost paint-like. For gaps like that, I'd just get some on a tool or even brush, then push it in and wipe off the excess. It shrinks a tiny bit when hardened, but you can sand and carve it if there's excess.
Now just to base them
>>98007437Depending on how aggressively you shade you can usually get away with just halfway down the trim most of the time, unless its on a prominent part of the model like pauldron rims near the face or something.
>>98007077I like that the answer is such a specific red no one is likely to own it and the answer is pretty much black/red/white to paint pink
>>98007493and now i've finished the battlebox. from last year
>slopping paint everywhereWhy are you all such sloppers? Think about what you are painting before you paint it.
>>98007288But kudos for actually doing it. So many minis where people just didn’t. Also what mini is that? It’s rad.
>>98007615No. I hate measuring and being careful. I have to measure 17 times cut once for 8 hours a day for my livelihood, I cannot be arsed to be careful while painting. Mistakes? Nope that’s battle damage and weathering. If one coat isnt smooth then it’s not going to be smooth. No I will not research and practice the right method on a test mini I will just wing it.
>he's STILL TRYING
>>98007625He's from necromunda. I had never seen him before but they randomly had him at the shop and he just looked very fun to paint
who is “he”
You ever get like halfway through painting a squad and then you just decide you don't fuck with your chosen scheme? I'm almost considering starting over completely on a unit because I'm not loving my color choices.
>>98007739Then do it.
>>98007739Yeh I think everyone has had that. I think I painted 8 or 9 different space marines before I settled on colors I like. Why would you ever keep painting minis that you don’t like how they look? No miniature price is that much of a sunk cost anon.
>>98003761>>98007474>>98007071Thanks anonsI tried some milliput on this one and it worked pretty well. Curious about the other options mentioned. They're pretty cheap so I'll get a few and experiment when it comes time for the next choragon
>>98007739I paint every dude different colors.
>>98007786SameNo nid in my hive is the same
>just got an airbrushAny good yewchewbers that have instructive videos using an airbrush? I’m already good on cleaning and the basics, I want more information on using the airbrush outside of just priming and base coating.
>>98007739I've stripped kill teams where I thought it was going ok and by the end figured out what I was doing wrong lol.
>>98006545https://youtu.be/Vop32atgDKU?t=412you can literally get chrome paint that will show your reflection. nmm can't do that.
>>98007288well the good news is that since you have to redo the primer anyway you can fix the nasty sand texture you got the first time
>>98007739I was thinking of repainting an entire army because realized I like grass bases more than snow
>>98007951Everyone always says this about my minis but theyre actually fine in person. Something with my camera maybeAlso suck it
>>98007998have you ever gotten your eyes checked?
>>98007940Hot dayum that is really something. But I wonder how using it as part of an actual paint scheme would work, would you have to paint everything else first then super carefully mask and spray it on? I fear any sort of mistake would just not be repairable.
>>98007998not only is it dry sprayed you very clearly didn't even get full coverage. if this looks "fine" to you then you should try opening your eyes when you look at it.
>paintingYou don’t recast your ‘stodes in solid gold?
>>98008036I kneel
>>98007824H&S for example.
>>98008004No, i probably should though now you mention it, getting older by the day>>98008024So its primed black and then just zenethaled tan over, its just the underpainting its gonna look baller when its done trust meIdk why people think shit needs to be perfect or even smooth anyways.I paint for fun and to recharge, glob some paint around
>>98008036If you do it in plastic gold would that be NMM?
Is this mini worth a 15 minute walk to the warhammer store?
>>98008114>forgot picIt’s the free mini of the month
>non metalic metal>why of course it is, the model is made of plastic.
>>98008117Is it a nice walk?
>>98008126Looks like it
>>98008126Eh kind of? I’ve never been here before
>>98008114>>98008117YesNoPerhaps
>>98008143Kek
>>98007786That's how I did most of my skinks when I got the old Start Collecting skinks box. One is yellow with red eyes and might be my favorite even though they're a very early paint job of mine.
>>98008114>>98008117Some good bits there. Shotguns are hard to find, and depending on your still you could put that coat on someone bigger
>>98008151They were out of stock
>>98008426They never had it stocked, saying they were out is a lie to make you think it's in demand.
>>98007782Spru goo is the best in my experience. I play a bunch of bedsheets. So when a seem goes right down the middle of one. It's noticeable easily. Nothing has worked better for me. (unless the gap is for some reason so large) Then I will use Milliput and greenstuff. Sometimes I mix them as I find greenstuff doesn't sand for shit.
>>98008426Bummer.Did you at least get to meet the sole employee/manager? Was there activity worth coming back for?
Give me one good reason not to start oil washing all my minis.
>>98009119You're too retarded to be trusted with white spirit
>>98009132Shut up retardI can handle my alcohol
>>98009119Depends on what you are going for, like any tool it isnt always the best one to use.
has anyone here tried grimdark compendium paints? Im very wary of them in general and I was wondering if those products are scammy or actually good.
>>98007581Looking good anon
>>98009467I see a silly word in the title of them, so no I have no tried them.
>>98009119Show me a couple of your minis first
>>98007739Yes, very recently
I screwed up the feet on my Ghostkeel and now it doesn't stand flat. What is the best way to make a tactical rock? just a big blob of miliput?
>>98009505A brass pin.
You could be pumping out competition tier minis in half the time, but you are too stubborn to learn how to use an airbrush.
>>98009519I just can't watch somebody who looks and sounds like him. Nothing personal.
>>98009566It's weird because if you see his first videos from years ago, he sounded perfectly normal. Now he has this weird ass tone and accent that isnt even italian, it's just some forced shit he does because apparently people like that kind of persona?
You shouldn’t use washes on nurgle daemons. It’s haram.
>>98009566that sounds distinctly personal>>98008022Depends, if it's just for one detail, you can just apply it after everything else. I painted my tau in a strong metallic, but I used it as the basecoat, and painted on top of it. It's a bit tricky to paint on proper reflective paints, since they're naturally very smooth and hydrophobic, you need to work around that.
>>98009635why would you paint over something you went out of your way to have looking like a mirror? you can tint it to make candy metallics, but trying to put an opaque layer over it would be retarded.
“I don’t understand why we need to paint light reflections, shiny hightlight, zenithal highlights, non metallic fuck meat whatever on 3D miniatures. Why not just use natural sunlight some shit?
>>98009566100%
>>98009698do it and see what it looks like
people would rather gaslight themselves about physics than admit that water based metallics just suck
>>98009662You don't paint over the whole thing, just the details. For the infantry I left the metallic on the helmet and chest armour, and for the mechs I leave it on most of the model. It saves time that would otherwise be spent masking. Besides, it's not a true mirror chrome on my guys, just a very smooth lacquer silver (jumpwind mythril). The same principles still apply since both are applied extremely smooth.
>>98009720It looks okay to a boring normie like me
>>98004003Damn. Looks ace
>>98009724Use oil based metallics. Made with aluminum powder so the shine is very uniform, much nicer than metallics that use mica flakes.
>>98009791Do you have a pic of the results? >>98009730 (me)Here's a pic for reference, this is what the lacquer metallic looks like on it's own, without anything painted on top of it.It's obviously not a true chrome, but you can see in the picture it's wayyyy more reflective than any water-based metallic paint, the effect is even more pronounced IRL. Side note: I basecoated this model literal years ago, and I assembled it years before that. I honestly don't even know if I want to finish it, I got kinda sick of this metallic scheme tbdesu. Plus I'm eyeing off those new stealth suits. Anyone else get sick of their old projects or start disliking their old colour schemes?
>>98009480Thanks! I really like para bellum's models. I got shitty shaky hands cause of a condition but they're pretty easy to build and paint.
>>98009824wow that's cool. I don't understand how I can see all the details on it though since everyone else was saying that without any shading or highlighting it would be impossible. he even has multiple different tones on the panels and even edge reflections.
>>98009824Top two, I've been messing around with it on my test marines and have gotten better results. I'll be using it quite a bit on my upcoming legionaries killteam that I'll start after I finish the last kommando and get them on their bases and sealed. It mixes well with transparent oils so I've gotten good results on mixing dark steel, bronze, brass, and gold. Getting a nice copper is still something I'm messing around with, but I'll figure it out eventually.
>>98004753"Finished" my first 25 termagants. Need to do another layer of steel legion drab on the bases and clear coat them, but they're ready for my submission for the million miniatures challenge.
You ever see a mini so clean that it’s demoralizing?Yeah
>>98009872Metallics in general don't need as much work as normal paints do, you can get away with very minimal/no highlighting in some cases.I still add recess washes to my metallic dudes though, they look wayyy better with some darkness in the recesses. Also worth noting the extra colours you can see in the picture don't show up irl, that's just a quirk of my camera iirc, it just looks like a highly reflective silver. I actually add some blue and purple washes to specific areas to sort of recreate the look, since I think it looks good, and it ties into the purple shading of the cloth on the infantry.
>>98009925>You ever see a mini so clean that it’s demoralizing?Every goddamn time I open this thread.
>>98009906These look really nice and weathered. I would also be interested if you could post a picture of what they look like "raw"/on their own.What do you use to thin the paint? I understand that the oil paints that come in tubes can be pretty thick.
>>98009925I will ask AI to clean for me
I want to do a yellow colored army.I have seen tutorials that say you should use pink as a shade color for a rich yellow.Is it better to prime a model black, then zenith a light grey/white, then shade the areas you want to be darker with pink?Or is priming a light grey and then putting on the pink good enough?
Do you repaint your old shitty minis?
>>98009969Top left guy, the rebreather on his chin, edge highlight on the axe/shoota/cups/side part of the rebreather, and the highlight of his grenade handle are the pure silver oil. I treat it like white, cant get brighter than the silver so it's the brightest highlight color, mix in other colors to get darker tones. I dont believe I took pics of my other tests with it, but if I did I can look for them tomorrow when I get on the pc. One thing I've found is that when using the oil you have to varnish to unify the shine, opaque tend to dry matte while semitransparent and transparents dry more satin. I thin with odorless mineral spirits, usually a damp wicked brush is more than enough to get it to flow well. You can paint thick paint over thin paint and thin over thick, so its good to use as little thinner as you can to leave yourself somewhere to go.
>>98010033Nah they tell a story of how far I have come
>>98010020i use imperial fist yellow contrast and marine juice followed by daemonic yellow drybrush
>>98006548It's sole purpose is to out dumb fuck chuds who can't hide their power levels. It is also extremely effective.
>>98006503>>98006474What's the name of the painter? His style is extremely clean.
>>98006573looks correct to my eye, what's wrong with it?
>>98010133Flameon MiniaturesI have no idea how people paint this clean, sharp, and smooth.
>>98010133Flameon
>>98003934Post a pic of your casting set up
>>98004896Classic
>>98010177Prob 50k hours of experience 300 + on that mini alone
>>98010177am I the only one who doesn't like when people paint their miniatures like paintings? these examples all look like album covers which is cool by itself but looks mismatched when it's an actual object.
>>98010467>i dont like when minis look like art piecesokay?
>>98010472I like when minis look like they could be real if you use the right camera tricks. I don't appreciate when people just treat them like a 3d canvas to do their bob ross thing on.
>>98010467They're a bit dramatic, but not all painting are album covers and not all all mini's painted like paintings are painted like album covers.
>>98010497You still have to bob ross them to achieve that, just in a different style.
>>98010497>I don't appreciate when people yadda yadda this and thatokay?I mean, how does it affect your hobbying? I dont like 'le grimdark' style yet I dont take grievance with people painting their minis like that.
>>98010177holy fuck, the skill is impresive but that looks like shitty vector videogame assets
>>98010498I was just using that album cover as an example of that particular airbrush art look you see a lot. there's just as many if not more minis I see painted in an almost impressionist style where it looks good across the table, but if you zoom in it's a mess of color splotches.>>98010500not really, you just have to be extremely autistic about masking and painting tiny details.>>98010510I'm just wondering if I'm in the extreme minority since it seems like most people prefer these artistic styles.
>>98010522> not really, you just have to be extremely autistic about masking and painting tiny details.And what do you think painting any high effort piece entails my dear slow witted friend
>I like extremely high quality paintjobs, but not like in an artistic way but in a realistic way okay?!!?
It's the same faggot again, isn't it
I use painted sand for my bases.I smear glue, I sprinkle the sand, then one more coat of glue, then I prime, then I paint it with the rest of the model.Has anyone tried painting the sand BEFOREHAND?Mixing sand with paint in a tub, and then gluing the painted sand on the model?Does it work? Does the paint stick? Does it look worse?
>>98010522>not really, you just have to be extremely autistic about masking and painting tiny details.No, that won't do it because... wait, this is scale modeling guy again, isn't it?
>>98010596That sounds like more effort.
>>98010276Nothing unusual, standard Lego blocks casting box and pressing block along with c-claps.
>>98010632Why lego though
>>98010596That's a good way to waste paint, since the sand will have a much higher surface area before you glue it down. You'd end up making a sandy painty gloop anyways, it would be much more annoying to work with.
>>98010619Love it anon, and the inclusion of the lil infantry, too.
>>98010774Because:1) Already have the blocks2) Easy to build desired size of a box (I use four bars of blue stuff for single two part mold)3) Easy to take apart to take out mold, which always stick to the box itself, even when covered by vaseline - I wouldn't be able to just push it out if I made sturdy box out of wood or metal4) Does not deform easily and keep the shapeIn ideal world I would probably make special metal box with fitting in bottom part and pressing block but it is not an ideal world.
>>98010619is there a tutorial to fix the triangular stand on the machinegun?
>>98010522Attend a painting event and see some of these miniatures in person. Wanking over jpgs on the internet just isn't the same.
>>98010177which fucking red do you guys think hes using?some kind of vermillion?or it just LOOKS giga red when compared to the rest of the colors?im very confused, it somehow looks and feels like a fluorescent red but such thing does not exist
>>98010951Image probably has some color adjustment done to it, but it reminds me a bit of Vallejo Blood Red.
>>98009832I’m missing part of my right pointer finger due to a c&c accident so I know the feeling. We do what we can brother
>>98010951Could be some slight filters on the image boosting contrast and saturation etc. but its also because its a gradient of the saturation. His "highlights" on it aren't made by adding white/ivory/yellow to the red but by painting over those types of colors with a red so that it can be its most saturated and RED version of itself in those areas.
>>98010951Not sure if it's the same, but picrel is from a similar one of his that looks very similar
>>98010177>retards falling for AI slop lmao
>>98011283Idort.
>>98011234PA Bold Pyrrole Red looks like THAT' ??????????
>>98011335Keep in mind that's over a base of pure white. He primed black, painted the lighting in white, and painted red on top of that.
>>98011342It's called pre-shading, anon.
>>98010177I recognize the massive amount of skill it takes, but I don't like the fact that every texture looks literally the same.
>>98011358I also recognize and respect the skill, but it does look like shit. Not to mention out of place.
>>98011358Yeah kinda same. I can appreciate the skill and effort but the result is so overdone my brain just registers it as fake. It looks to me like a 3d render on a screen, not a miniature
>>98011364>out of placeOut of place how?
>>98011387he doesnt like it so its out of place, please understand
>>98011351its called mapping the highlights you fucking retard
>>98010596I think it would make more sense to get one of those sand texture acrylic mediums and mix it with paint.
>>98011387>>98011425cool and very hard to pull of im sure but it looks so unnatural its not criticism thats just how the thing looks
>>98011351I dumbed it down for the guy going crazy over the red. I don't want him to buy a bottle, try to slap it over black, and be disappointed.
>>98011387>Chaos knight in the Wastes, with lava and ash everywhere>perfectly squeaky clean>no damage or weathering whatsoever, beyond two (2) artsily added scratches on the shield>not even on the weaponry, a tool used exclusively to smack others with>even the broken horn is pristineAnd then there's the entire artstyle. Again, I deeply respect the skill, but this thing (and a large chunk of the NMM styles) just reminds me of the 80s trucker airbrush "art". Which is, considering the fact he painted it without the airbrush, another layer of nonsense to me.It's obviously subjective, but I just don't like it.
>>98011454I'm gonna map your mom's highlights, nerd.
>>98011464If you’ll notice, the lava wastes are pristine too. The gems aren’t scratched or chipped, there’s no hard weathering anywhere. That’s because adding weathering and damage is a deliberate design choice.
>>98011464I think you should stop yapping and post a mini of yours so we can know if your opinion matters in the slightest.Usually people so autistic about such retarded bs are garbage at the very thing they critique, but feel free to correct me with your minis.
>>98011460Sure, I just mean it's not in a place, so how can it be out of place? I don't like the style either.>>98011464Yeah, it's gaudy. I don't agree with the weathering meme though. That's fine on "modern" army stuff, but a knight would keep his armor in peak condition. Walking around in weathered armor is like showing up in a dirty suit. Fine, this is a chaos knight, but he probably has 10 slaves to polish his codpiece.He went for a comic book type thing, which is not a popular style currently.
>hmmm asxqcually the armor is too pristine>dare i say that ,in fact, the lava is too clean as well>if you notice, the gems are unscathed which doesnt really make much sense does it now?ignore the troll
>>98011503NTA but piss off man. If I feed you literal shit at a restaurant, are you gonna eat it because you're not a chef?
>food analogy
"I'm going to hit you really, really, really hard with my big hammer"
>>98011522- John Warhammer
Should I make some pirate hats out of greenstuff and turn my orc half of the 11th box into freebooterz?
>>98011507>I don't like the style eitherreminds me of this when it came out and people hated it because it just plain irked the eye in a way you could not explainsome saw it as stylish choice others hated it
>>98011519>NTAlmaoYou've been shitting this thread up with your retarded takes for like a week at this point. Either post minis to prove you actually participate in the hobby and have at least some idea of what you're talking about or fuck off back to the shithole you crawled out of, which is most likely 40kg.
>>98011496Gems not being chipped or scratched is completely believable. Can't really see how you would weather lava or wastes around. But yes, I agree, it's a deliberate choice, but even with this style, you could imo augment the result quite a bit with just a tiny touch of life.>>98011503I already went through nearly identical debate with a different anon a few threads back, so here: https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/97802752/#q97804678>>98011507>That's fine on "modern" army stuff, but a knight would keep his armor in peak conditionIt's warhammer, not a tourney knight on the first day of the tournament. Hell, not even tourney knights' armor was ever in peak mint condition. Stuff gets used, stuff gets weathered. The only sword that has no scratches is a sword that's never been used.
>>98005722I really like it. It makes it look less like a plastic toy and more like a refined warmachine.
>>98011534Yes.
>>98011522what is that cross joint, brass can be easily welded with a soldering iron
>>98011557>I don't like this style of painting so I'm going to pointlessly argue about it every time its brought upI like your minis but holy fuck you are retarded
>>98011569Yea but i used milliput not a soldering iron. It'll be hidden behind banner anyway.
>>98011570This is literally the second time I'm talking about it. And it is only because the thread is filled with it. >I don't like what you said, so I'm going to pointlessly argue about it with you every time its brought upWe are not that different, anon.
>>98011569>>98011583Cool to know though, I'll try it when I'm not at werk
>>98011537I have not, I don't like this painting style, you're a disingenuous dickwit. Critique doesn't require the critic to have skill in the subject.
why is a retard making such a big deal about him not liking a mini, and why is everyone shitting their pants about it
>>98011520Only pseuds think there's anything wrong with food analogies.
The most brutal blackpill is that none of you itt are good enough painters to warrant this much heat regarding the NMM vs. TMM debate kek
>>98011607or the "clean vs weathered" for that matter
>>98010467>>98010498>>98010522Wil Rees, who created some of the more unusual illustrations for the original Rogue Trader book - including the first in-universe depiction of Leman Russ - went on to paint album covers for Dio.
>>98011535Of course, whether you like a style is influenced by your entire life experience. If you've been a big comic book fan since your youth, you're gonna like this style more than others.Though, the main reason everyone hated that game's style is because they released a realistic looking Zelda tech demo for the game cube after Ocarina of Time, which most interpreted as a trailer. Wind Waker didn't meet that expectation.
>>98011600he found a fountain of endless replies and hes milking it drybetter get to painting and check on the thread tomorrow morning
>>98011557>It's warhammer, not a tourney knight on the first day of the tournament. Hell, not even tourney knights' armor was ever in peak mint condition. Stuff gets used, stuff gets weathered. The only sword that has no scratches is a sword that's never been used.They were far more meticulous about that shit than you think. The main way they fought off rust was by polishing the fuck out of everything, and especially for the upper class, good looking gear was a status symbol.
>>98011632The most baffling thing is that this has a completely different feel to craftsperg trolling so now at least one more faggot made /wip/ his shitposting grounds
I wish we had some kind of wiki so I can read about the lore and prominent characters from this general.
>>98011658I mean there's always 1d6chan...
>>98010596If you do that, why not get a jar 9f colored gesso and try that out? It will already have the binders and such in it and you can build up some texture that way.
>>98011607Saint Marco (pbuh) uses both. That’s enough for me.
how about you fags start posting your own minis instead
>>98011534>pirate hats>peg legs>big hook hand instead of a choppaGo all out Anon.
>>98011709Whenever I post my own minis they get shit on, so I shan’t be posting them anymore.
>>98011720post them, I'm sure they're not that bad
>>98011664NTA but that is misleading, so many of the old links have been redirected (ie; anything that used to link to the SJW page now links to the That Guy page) which gives a wrong impression of the culture, and many many other edits have been made to subtly align our history with liberalism, DEI, gay and tranny shit, rather than being opposed or unconcerned with those things.That and it has been continuously edited to reflect changing canons, in most cases the old material seems to have remained but I have stumbled across a fair few where the article is just a modern retcon.At the end of the day 1d6chan seeks to retcon and subvert /tg/ history and material, it is not faithful to 1d4chan and the admins refuse to give access to the pure 1d4chan dump so that someone else can make that faithful continuation and therefore usurp 1d6chan in the process.
>>98011720I can only think of like 2 anons that get their minis straight up shit on and if you're either of them you should fuck off anyway
>>98011641This is the scale modeling sperg, I sense it.
>>98011734>that get their minis straight up shit onWhich two?
You now remember the brap schizo.
>>98011747the who?
>>98011768THE BRAP SCHIZO
>>98011774I had a break from this website for a couple years, must've missed this particular sperg. Please enlighten me.
>>98011701I actually like that one. The tiny touch of weathering gives it a lot of character and makes it look more alive (pun intended).
>>98011742not going to give the spergs attention, sorry
I've painted a decent number of minis (~75-100) to a mediocre/beginner standard. I want to get into painting high quality display pieces like many of the minis posted ITT. Ultimately I want to get a Golden Demon pin in 2027. Are there any paid video series/classes/books that are worth it in this pursuit? Any specific YouTube series I should watch? Any advice in general?
>>98011777
>>98011701>>98011801Really? I actually hate it more than the album cover chaos knight. It's has no hierarchy, it's all noise and contrast.
>>98011802So, your schizo personalities then.
>>98011834
>>98011826>like many of the minis posted ITTlol
>>98011826Marco Frisioni>20272030 at the earliest
threadly reminder to not reply to obvious shitposting
>>98012069
I'm hungry.
After two years of self learning miniature painting, I’ve painted two minis
>>98012167How have they turned out?
>>98012182I don't know, they are in my ultrasonic cleaner now
Why are still here? Just to suffer?
>>98011826>paid videono paid video will make you better than any other video or book you can find onlinepay for in person clases or grind it>Any advice in general?deliberate practice, pic a topic, paint a model trying to get better at that specific thing, do it again, and again, and again, repeat for every other techniquedo it for 10k hours and you may be able to get a golden demon one day>golden demon in a yearngmi
>>98012227>Why are still here?Somebody has to make the OP. Besides, WIP is one of the things that motivates me to take time for myself and get some models painted.
>slopping paint everywhereLmao
>>98012227Because we enjoy painting and it's a very cozy general, at least until some overly bored paintlet sperg decides to shit it up
>>98012227long long ago it was common to warn how you better leave right now or you will be here foreverand whats there to suffer i get to post my handiwork and shoot the shit with likeminded anons 24/7
>>98012302>better leave right now or you will be here foreverBeen here since 2009 so I guess youre right
>>98012227I have no friends and nobody else to show my miniatures, models, etc. Except maybe my mother but she paints actual paintings and thus use different techniques (plus, from her perspective, every mini dude in power armour looks the same). Same why I post my photos on /p/ (won't even bother with social media, even /p/ admits they are completely broken by algorithms and bots by now) and such.
>>98012167step it up, I've done 35 in the last week, on track for 45 by tomorrow.
>>98011826Post a pic of your current work. I would call it entirely possible to get a NOTABLE pin (which is the lowest commendation currently) by 2027-2028, assuming your work is already at least above average. I can almost guarantee you won't win a finalist pin unless you put in another half decade of work. An actual demon is out of the question obviously. Again, post a pic of the paintjob you're most proud of.
>>98012302I come back here whenever I'm unemployed.
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>>98012485I'm not sure what this means.
>>98012485>I'm at work right nowDropped this.
>>98012490seasonal work most likely, imagine working all summer and getting to hobby around all you like for the rest of the year
>too shy to post my mini on facebook>too shy to go to offline boardgame, painting workshop whatever>my friends and family thinking mini painting gunpla whatever the shit are just children toy>anon you're 35 years old why are you still playing with toy soldier
>>98012517I know that feel bro. I know that feel. Too shy and retarded for social activities
>>98012517>too shy to go to offline boardgameMe too but recently got enough courage, went to one and got rolled over so hard that I seriously considered just gifting someone all my minis painted so far. Who knows what's worse.>anon you're 35 years old why are you still playing with toy soldierI don't understand this approach. Since when people are not allowed to have hobbies? Somehow boomers with their Nazi tank models or highly detailed trains dioramas are totally okay but miniatures are not?
>>98012579>got rolled over so hardIt happens, just know that you'll get better eventually. So far I've lost every single game I've played in my first season of blood bowl, but I'm entirely unstressed about it, since the other guys have 10+ years of experience on me. >boomers with their Nazi tank models or highly detailed trains dioramas are totally okayThey've been seen as insanely nerdy and loser-coded activities for decades, anon.
>>98012517"I enjoy the creative outlet."That's all you need to say.
working on my fansy eldar gal
>>98012510No, farmlife is 12-16/7/365
>>98012664Ambitious stuff anon, and quite original. Good work.
>>98012664Vibes
>>98012276They're looking good man, very nice redJust started on 6 bladeguards too
>>98012664Is she chinese? Looks like she belongs in a cabinet at grandma's house.
>>98012773>>98012738Nah, it russian gzhel
>>98010177His grasp of value and volume is insane, but I do not care for the look in terms of taste. Faces and cloth in particular end up looking weird, as he tends to paint them with almost the same degree of contrast as he paints metallic elements
>>98012784Probably where the chinese got it from I imagine.
>>98012035I don't have delusions of winning a trophy, I just want a pin
>spilled a little while painting trim (again)I am this close to isolating every single bit of trim with masking tapeThis shit is ass
>>98012617>So far I've lost every single game I've played in my first season of blood bowlJim: Today's wisdom comes from Hymie Schnivel, coach and owner of the Goblins Low-Down Rats team. In yesterday's Spike! Magazine, he said, "Blood Bowl is like war. There are no winners... just survivors!"Bob: Wow, that's deep ... about as deep as his team's position in the rankings!
>>98012899Is it possible to get a notable entry for being notably bad?
>>98010558I've seen amazing paint jobs on non-miniature stuff that was done by people who don't consider themselves artists and would tell you they have no artistic skill.
Last member of the kill team, with the vest and hat I'm thinking black leather, the housing for the klaw will be my prussian blue army color, and probably purple or red for the shoota casing. Got my hippie speedball and my tunes going, think its going to be a good day.
>>98012899can you post your best paintjob?
>>98011826Forget miniature sources for now, 2D art techniques apply and there's far more and better sources for it.
>>98013009This. There are good mini painters who make content like this, but there are way more 2d art creators that make it too. 2d face rendering tutorials have helped me a lot more than any mini painting videos have.
>>98011834>somebody posts a mini with chunky paint>gets told to redo it>claims it's just the camera and you can't see it in real lifethe more things change the more they stay the same
>>98012940I'm that anon, this post made me laugh. At the end of the day, the real wins were the spines we cracked along the way.
>>98012931https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej_DTLtil2II post this every time someone complains about trim and every time it gets ignore. maybe you will find it useful.
>>98013008>>98012459This is probably the 2nd best I've done so far. I've done a similar size mini that I'm a bit more proud of because I think the brush strokes are less visible/the blending is more smooth. Pic represents probably close to 6 hours of work.I'm also >>98009919, but these and most other things I've done were batch painted and probably averaged out to ~1-2 hours per mini.
>>98012617>It happens, just know that you'll get better eventually.Thank you for nice words but it is unlikely - it was Infinity and local scene is focused on league-style competitive playing, with not much people willing to play casual games. And this is the game where skilled player can easily win in single turn, if he knows how to block his opponent, who in turn have no idea it is possible.
>>98013062The volumes are there, it just looks like you need to be willing to put in more time, and have more patience with your glazing. Check out this video, it has a simple but solid explanation of how to properly thin a paint to glaze consistency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBYW3T5bs_sAlso consider incorporating blacklining to separate details, and don't be afraid to go back over sections if you spill paint.
>>98013053also maybe everyone ignores it because it's a gundam video so here is someone doing it on a warhammer one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVeqr_4Gb7w
>>98013088Thanks Anon I'll watch that video when I'm off work. The next thing I paint will be a bigger tyranid monster (tervigon?), and I intend to put more time into it than I have anything else so far. I'll try to use black lining there and post the results ITT
>>98012276what are you doing for your recesses?I really like your models anon
>>98013027>At the end of the day, the real wins were the spines we cracked along the way.Jim: Ooh! He sent him down for a "chat" with the astro-granite!Bob: Yeah, looks like our "Star Player" has developed a sudden interest in the state of the pitch.Jim: Well, at least now, he's got a big head wound to go with his big reputation!
>>98013053>>98013092This looks fine for something like gunpla or a bit model like the heldrake, yeah. I'm not sure how it would do on smaller minis with more intricate trim like thousand sons or something.
The start of my next batch of Frostgrave monsters.
>>98013092Got one in English that's intelligible?
>>98013128It's literally the same thing as enamel washes btw, just more opaque. >apply enamel paint to armour panels>wipe trim with firm implement>profit
>>98012617>>98012940>>98013063>made an actual pitch>learned all the rules>constructed every accessory>finally invite friends to play>what a boring game >lets play something else
>>98013118>what are you doing for your recesses?I assume you're talking about the red ones, like those in the picture. Some Blood Angels have black armour and some have gold armour as well. The short answer is "Agrax Earthshade".Lately, It's been:Undercoat white (Citadel White Scar or Rustoleum 2X White)Blood Angels Red Contrast PaintAgrax Earthshade for recessesEvil Sunz Scarlet cleanupEvil Sunz/TTC Demon Red/Trollslayer Orange highlightsThe result is similar to starting with Evil Sunz Scarlet (a Citadel Layer paint) and then washing with Agrax Earthshade, but with Blood Angels Red, it doesn't take as long to get the first colour down, the paint consistency is easier to manage, and OKC-anon gave me the Contrast Paint for Christmas.>I really like your models anonThank you.
>>98013174The missing squares looks funny.Your friends have shit taste and no patience, it takes more than one match to "get it"
>>98013177Berry cool, thanks anon!I haven't tried contrast paints yet will check out the options at lgs next time I visit
>>98013174Shame, I've been loving the game so far. It reminds me of grid-based tactical computer games, which I also enjoy. Ironically, the football game feels more tactical than any of the actual wargames I've tasted (which just feel like "stand on circle", "attack enemy" tbdesu).
>>98013133what are the little dudes?
>>98013062In addition to the other anon a big thing GD painters use it complimentary colors for shadows, like purple shadows on green skin. Like on this gobbo dark purple or blue in the shadows of the goblin skin or the smoke would add a lot of contrast. Could then use a glaze of orange to highlight the smoke and yellow to highlight the green, complimentary colors to the blue/purple shadow. It sounds somewhat cartoony but that is what pushes the contrast on a lot of entries. Pic related with glazed blue into the shadow of the skin and yellow highlights, but way better than I could achieve lol.
>>98013201Imps, STLs are quasits from a dnd telegram channel.
>>98013193>I haven't tried contrast paints yet will check out the options at lgs next time I visitWhen Citadel introduced their Contrast Paints back before the pandemic, they half-jokingly advertised them as needing only one thick coat as opposed to Saint Duncan's "two thin coats". Contrast Paints formulated like this can, over a light undercoat, provide a rudimentary amount of shading and highlighting. The pigment seeps into the recesses, drawing it away from raised areas. This is never going to be as perfect or as convincing as painted highlights and washes, but it's quick, and sometimes it's "good enough" if you have 20-30 squadboyz to paint.Blood Angels Red works this way.Some later Contrast Paints do *not* work that way. Citadel also makes Baal Red, which - having a Blood Angel-themed name - seems like it would do pretty much the same thing, but it does *not*. It's a very bright, vibrant red - almost like what you would get by painting thinned-down Fire Dragon Bright over a white undercoat. Similarly, Black Legion does not do the same thing as Black Templar.Make sure you get the right ones for how you intend to use them. If you need to, ask at the shop or research online before you spend your money.
>>98013193do not try contrast, they are incredibly unforgiving, look like shit, and don't make you a good painter.
Don't be like me.Remember when matching color to a reference that the wet paint looks different than the dry paint, and match to the dry paint.
>>98013310while we're at at, what's the heckin science behind red paint being SO MUCH brighter before it dries
>>98013310this is honestly the only real complaint I have about pro acryl, so many of their colors look wildly different when wet
>>98007493Imma be honest, they kind of look like someone took a metallic sharpie to their nerf blaster. I don't know if that's what you were going for but they definitely give off "kid's toy" vibes
>Contrast paints
>google oil wash>first result is a model basically done after just some airbrushing and a washHoly fuck bros. How do I learn this power?
>>98013320Paint it over white.
>>98013331Is this what genuine mental illness looks like?47 times for the image alone, btw
>>98013320Probably because water is much more reflective than the paint itself.
>>98013322I just bought a signature kit from them because (sigh)... ninjon's has a 'warm brown' color that looked like it was a good substitute for mournfang brown, and I've been looking for a mournfang brown substitute for a long time and PA's browns in all the normal expansions I have are pretty neutral and dull imo. It arrived, the color on the box swatch is WILDLY different than the paint. Like, I'm sure they're supposedly making an effort and pantone should ensure some consistency unless they aren't using it? But I don't know how it can be so different. I'll take a pic to follow up just how different it looks. I haven't used it yet though... MAYBE it dries super differently.
What are your favorite purples and violets, Anons?I've been using a fair bit of ProAcryl's royal purple recently and realized I want something more de-saturated. Their faded plum looks really nice, but so does Bear Cavalry's purple rain.
>>98013262>This is never going to be as perfect or as convincing as painted highlights and washes, but it's quick, and sometimes it's "good enough" if you have 20-30 squadboyz to paint.If I can get the other half of armageddon box painted quickly and it doesn't look awful that'll be good enough for me>>98013306'Tis a poor craftsman, who blames his tools.If they're shit, then they're shit, but I still want to see for myself.
>>98013183>>98013194that was 20 years ago and everyone has since played atleast one of the bloodbowl pc games so there is still hopei remember rules being really fun and centered around campaign play with skills and experience just like mordheimspeaking of tactical yet simple specialist games this is what im currently working on
>>98013395I have PA's expert set, I really like their dioxazine violet. Probably the one I use most, that or the magenta. Because it's pure and mostly transparent it's 10/10 for mixing into things or glazes for shadowed areas, stuff like that.There's an AP purple that is nice, I can't remember which one it is. I *think* it's Alien Purple? I don't have it, it just looks nice online.
>>98013344practice
>>98013459Look into the new edition, they've reduced the number of positionals each team can take, so one box of models is now an entire team. The rules also feel very thought out and well put together IMO.
>>98013344There's more to that airbrushing pass and subsequent cleanup than meets the untrained eye. It's not as magic as you're imagining it to be.Also: leaving that fuckass crack on the handWhat the fuck was he thinking? The oil would just avoid it?
What's a reasonable price for a kolinsky brush these days? I know prices have been on the rise for the last few years but I'm not sure where the actual average is. $40 for a size 3 Windsor and Newton is outrageous.
>>98013663I will pay any price, it makes no difference, I need the brushes.
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>>98013672If you're nothing without the brushes then you shouldn't have them.
>>98013194It has been oft lauded as the best tactical skirmish wargame of all.Not the current iteration by GW mind you, but the LRB years under Jervis alongside the community.Mistaking GW's current offering for the thing that earned praise and acclaim would be like thinking the positive reputation of 40k belongs to 10th edition rather than 3rd or 5th.
>>98013194>the football game feels more tactical than any of the actual wargamesThat seems to be the case for modern GW games. Less actual wargame and more "gain victory points by holding some circle in our symmetrical game board". Hell it almost feels like a board game in some ways.
>>98013663>https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005004554975964.html
Finished up the rest of the plasma ganger. Used some white oils for the coil glow but was late last night and forgot to leech them so its still very uncured. Will leave it a day or two and work on next one
>>98013811nice work but I think you could add some darker shade on top of the coils to make them look more interesting
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>>98013830yeah the coil only has a basecoat and then the oil paint, gonna leave it to properly cure before coming back and finishing that part
>>98013871ohhh okay, my bad
Been working on a cape... not sure how to feel about the end result.
>>98013899I think I should put more work on the right side tho.
>>98013899it kinda looks like that cell shaded style with big color jumps but there's something off about it, can't put my finger on it
>>98013926i think it's the change from a warm tan brown to a colder redish brown wich is barely darker
>>98014005Maybe the purple I used to make the shadow wasn't dark enough? I mixed it with the same khaki used for the cape.To be fair he is supposed to be in the desert sun.
>>98013688He's sitting for a little bit to firm up, next I'll do the vest and hat, then reinforce the shadows and let it firm up again. After that its blending the shadows and final details and highlights.
>>98014086i would make it darker and less saturatedthe complementary for that tan is just blue, closer to cyan, if that was your intention
>>98013899The contrast on it is very extreme for cloth. Cloth has a very diffuse surface, so it will never get such strong highlights.
For those that frequently or mostly use natural hair brushes in your painting, what is a good range to have for work that you aren't using shitty synthetics on? I currently only have one size 1 Windsor series 7 brush that I use sparingly, but I'm wanting to get a few more so I can start using them more often. I'm thinking maybe a couple of Raphael 8404 size 1s that I can use for highlighting and detail work. One will end up a designated metal brush.Thankfully I found that Jackson Art actually has them and they're not obscenely expensive. $23 for a size 1 isn't ridiculous right now, right?
>>98014215I see. I think it's too late to change it, but I'll use blue mixed with the tan for the shadow next time.
>>98014268There's a type of cloth (I don't remember how it's called) that is actually quite reflective and could look similar. If I remember how it's called I'll post a picture.
>>98014268To show what I mean.
>>98014317Sure, such cloth exists, but if you want the viewer to read a painted material as cloth, you don't want to emulate a rarity. Also, I don't think his cloak is supposed to be some fancy reflective cloth.
>>98014317silk?probably the last thing you want for camo
>>98014405Why? on the silk deathworlds it's the most effective thing
>>98013803Is this a real recommendation or a shit post? How do they compare to Windsor newton/davinci/red maple?
>>98014277let me put it like thissize 1 and <1 are 1% of my paintingsize 2 about 9%size 3 & 4 about 80% And even then I'll go for a 4 with a good tip over a 3
>>98013926Shadows are too warm, if I had to guess. Pushing them closer to a blue might read better.
>>98014108Didn't you finish these orks and move onto something else?
>>98012866>chrome reflection of the default Unity skyboxI hate that I can never unsee this
>>98014496Had to take a break for almost a year, came back and did some test models to shake the rust off. This is the last guy on the killteam, so I'll be done for real this time soon lol. Word Bearers are next.
>>98014277I generally use a raph 8404 1 for everything. It's lasted about a year now but it's been very abused. Got it for around 22, yes. It's been great, but to be honest it's a bit too fine for some of what I do. I could get some mileage out of a 2 for the bulk work. Or maybe even 3 or 4 as >>98014483 suggests, but I've never tried one of those.Incidentally, does anyone have a goos source for high quality resin proxies or models in the Netherlands? Plastic is expensive and my tiny apartment can't fit a printer of my own.
>>98014482it's real, i like it better than my rosemary, never used those that you mentionyou should be able to find them in other stores if you don't trust aliexpress
>>98014277I use 1 and 2 pretty much exclusively (Series 33 Rosemary & Co). But brush sizes mean a little, there's basically no standard whatsoever, different companies make them differently sized.
>>98014277hear this guy >>98014483i use a 2 90% of the time
>>98013663rosemary co make their own brushes, red sable size 3 short handle $10 aud, kolinsky $14
>>98014534What brand 2? my 2's are pretty small, I went through them the other day and made a note to start buying 4 from now
>>98014521Aliexpress, do a image search of what you want
>>98014552this one >>98013803made you a comparison photo of some of the ones i have
Thoughts on Proacryll paints?
>>98014673very good overall, they won't stick to certain primers though
>>98014673They are alright, but kinda redundant with AK being oftentimes better and cheaper. However, their (off)whites are probably the nicest acrylic (off)whites, these are easy recommend. Completely retarded ass pots.
>>98014673I like them, but you need to learn to thin them. They'll look too thick on the palette, they'll look to thick on the brush, but will flow evenly on the mini.
I'm tired.
What is the advantage of underpainting vs. just painting the colors you want directly? More specifically, why should I zenithal highlight with white instead of just spraying my main highlight color?
>>98014837colors change wildly based on the undercoat colorzenithaling is useful if you want to paint in volumetric highlights cause it'll show you where light would land, or if you use contrast paints
>>98014837It adds a slight nuance to the resulting paint job that is just harder to get otherwise. It's not strictly necessary. But you can for example>splotch some thin red spots on the chest/face of a bustAnd then when you go in and paint the skin in normally, it gives kind of an organic modulation to the tone, and since you painted over it a bunch it's very subtle and blended. If you wanted to just blend it directly or even glaze it on top it would be harder to get a smooth result. You work roughly, and then smooth everything out by just painting basic skin. as opposed to working super carefully the whole time.
Why is “thin your paints” the default spam advice for newfags?? The biggest blind spot for noobs bar none is loading your brush, and paints really don’t need to be thinned very much now.
>>98015226Because it's been the premium advice for a reason for 40 years, and citadel is the most widely used paint and it still very much needs to be thinned
used markers and a wash for this one. turned out alright.
Should I buy glazing medium, or regular medium? Or just use water to glaze?
>>98015337Imo regular and glazing mediums are the exact same thing.
>>98015333Faggot.
>>98014108Back is starting to spasm so I'm done for the night, I'll go back and touch up tomorrow. The cable on the klaw need another once over, the boots are half done but will need to be touched up anyway when I glue them to their bases, and the klaw itself probably needs more work. The coat may need more highlights or darker shadows but I'll let it dry overnight and have some of the shine wear off before I adjust it.
>>98013466>Dioxazine violetNice, I haven't tried their expert acrylics yet. Do you just thin them with water/acrylic thinner?>Alien purpleOoooh that's a good looking one. Blanched berry too.
I'm wanting to build a medium sized desk spray booth (one that can handle lacquer paints), and is this a good fan option? it boats 750 cfm and I assume that's good enough. It'll be blowing the air out of the window through a duct tube
>>98015543my prebuilt chinesium airbrush hood is about 185 cfm. it works pretty well. only issue i've had is when i tried using a spray can primer which had too high of a psi and blew back on me. for 20-30 psi i haven't had any issues.750 cfm should be good.
First layer of glaze down, maybe will have time for a second tonight.
Do I need to wait the full 12 hours for my primer to set? Or can I paint after an hour or two?Having to wait an entire day after priming really slows me down.
>>98015571nta but if CFM is too high can't you get turbulence and overspray blowback?
>>98015502Purples-relatedYeah, you can just thin it however, for glazes it's fine as long as you aren't slopping the water on. I usually use it to just mix into other paints to tint them though. I normally paint in a pretty saturated fantasy art style, and the other purples, even the royal purple just isn't punchy enough for me, things usually come off as reading a little pink more than purple.
>>98015595You can paint after 15 minutes. Touch dry.
>>98015595if it's touch dry you can paint on it, waiting longer will give the primer more time to cure properly though
>>98015434>Back is starting to spasmDeadliftsThank me later
>>98015718evil bait
>>98015615i do not know
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>>98011842okay, Picasso
>>98013174boring? wtf? I seldomly had as good a time I did with Blood Bowl. Even if I lose I am laughing my ass off at how silly it can be.
>>98015543someone else made a point that if you are venting solvent based paints the fan should be explosion proof. it probably isn't really a huge risk but you never know.
