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>>98007197If Kriegers were made today they'd be called something adjacently stupid like Maginotians.
>>98007210>TQW11 pro (tweaked) GW can't write an edition without AI and AI is terrible at writing an edition.
>>98007220Thats actually a much better name anon wtf.
>>98007210>What operating system does your computer use?WinXP Pro x64>Can an AI generate a better edition than GW can write one?LOL
>>98007227LMAOOOOOOOOOO GOTTEM
>>98007210
Post models!
>>98007210>TQ>>What operating system does your computer use?Right now Linux Mint XFCE edition but that will change as I am Distrohopping different Linux versions.>Can an AI generate a better edition than GW can write one?If GW is avoiding AI to write rules then probably, but chances are it won't be that great. Just slightly better than what GW puts out to a noticeable degree.
>>98007235Like GW you have also forgotten Armageddon Steel Legion.Also Savlar Chemdogs and they go in Great or above.
>>98007235Where TallarnWhere Savlar Chem-dogsWhere Steel Legion>Vitrian Dragoons in GarbageDon't piss in a cup and then pretend its lemonade
>>98007248>WhereUnder the trashcan.
>>98007235What of the Praetorians?
new abhuman detachment has me worried as fuck they're going to take away the "commissars can lead ogryns" thing from grizzled companybut letting commissars give +1 BS in general is nice, even if the ratling part is probably going to be mediocre as hell
>>98007247>>98007248I didn't make it I just found it
>>98007265Thieving nigga. Make your own.
Why do ToW Made to Order stuff has a reasonable price but 40k MtO is priced for millionaires?
Gentoo.No.Aeldari player btw.
TS bros… can I kitbash a Sorcerer in terminator armor from this specific kit? People recommend using the Thousand Sons specific Cataphractii Praetor but I can’t find that anywhere besides directly from GW and I’m not paying an extra $15 to home ship a single model.
>>98007280because no one buys tows shit(even if I did like those old orcs in chainmail, alot more than anything else for greenskins besides MAYBE those knight goblins in aos)
KINDKOLOSSALKUSTODESKNOCKERS
>>98007280If it cost around 30~ burger dollars for 24~ models. It would be inside the reasonable price.Anything more for that amount of models is not within the reasonable price.
>>98007303I did too
>>98007299you just reminded me how dogshit and old this kit is. They really need to make some multi kit characters for marines in HH. Would sell like dogbusters from me alone.
>>98007307sexo, mucho sexo señor. Spanish, everyone.
>>98007280Well Well.. Looks like someone isn't.. committed to the hobby.I guess this is a signal. The only plastic vostroyans will get will be what it's wrapped in when the idea goes to landfill.
>>98007280Because GW knows (You) will buy it anyway
I like orks :D
>>98007376I like tau :D
>>98007280Why do they do these periodic things instead of just selling them permanently? Surely its better to keep the mould going and use it for something than letting it languish for half a decade because of FOMO?
Since i don't like the model that much, im going to build a Dakkarig from scratch, is the base size the same as the Nu-Dreadnought/nu-Sentinel?
>>98007396Well, this threads going to shit now. >>98007392it costs money to keep them in stock. Also metal are quite expensive to both produce and are heavy. FOMO works better if I were in GWS shoes.
>>98007376I like eldar :D
Quick question for those of you watching at home: I was looking through a scan of Imperial Armor Volume Ten, Badab War Part 2 and came across this Dreadnaught (page 103; the Sons of Medusa section) whose caption seems to have been chopped off. Could any of you provide a photo of a physical copy or better scan? Just trying to figure out what his deal is.
>>98007396why would you post thatthis isn't a gore thread bro
>>98007396
>>98007220I like to think the low gothic of krieg is pseudo-german with french grammar and the pronounciation from that one region between france & germany they annexed over & over again>>98007177picrel>>98007280because if ToW is too expensive people won't buy, standards are high.
>>98007376>>98007381Hear me out...
>>98007419can't help, my scans have it cropped too
>>98007447>picrelClearly a Russian Nazi.
I've noticed a lot of Tau artists cropping up lately, why are Tau fans eating so good now?
>>98007488Bitchin' characters
>>98007488I love the way this person draws tau. I would live a spin off 40k anime where it's a side-of-life thing. I can enjoy my mangled psycho indoctrinated super warriors and love anime, I am a complex individual.
>>98007299How good do you want it to look?
slugga useless because why would you use it when the shoota exists and you get melee too.It's gorkover, millions must wagh
>Mordians>Valhallans>Catachans>KriegYou need more than this?
>>98007280Some of it is. A lot of the old fantasy stuff is reasonable but then the Planetstrike bastion keeps getting listed for 60-ish bucks despite being four slabs of plastic and thirteen years old
>>98007476Damn. Wouldn't surprise me if most peoples' pdfs come from the same scan. I appreciate you checking, though.
>>98007526because slugga cool.
>>98007523>a side-of-life thing.Tau start their careers as children so there wouldn't be much to work with. Most Shas'la are teenagers
>>98007396Fuck, I thought the collage had made you realize that you're not wanted here
I hope GSCB is still doing well.
>>98007596He's denser than a piece of lead, you're expecting too much.
I don't think I have any art of Eldar just being happyI'm not sure how to feel about that
>>98007612It's unironically autism, no moderately adjusted human would act like that for so long
>>98007628Eldar happiness is haram
>>98007574I know anime slice of life is highschool and what not, but there are plenty about salarymen.>>98007530Yes, + subfaction rules with traits & doctrines.I have a dozen custom regiments and they deserve to be special too
>>98007628There is not much to smile about when you know your entire civilization is doomed, and every day of your life is living in abject terror that something allows Slaanesh to break through your world's defenses and consume your soul for eternal agonizing torment.Your BEST case scenario is crystalizing into a tree, and still living in abject terror of Slaanesh forever.
>>98007629Man we got some really good ones, huh?
>>98007633nta but autism and narcissim/other cluster B personality disorders are often confused with each others.He's not autistic, he's got a disorder or two, or three
>>98007645I mean there are other options
>>98007530Yes, vostroyans are cooler than those
>>98007645>Die>get uploaded to infinity circuit>spend three millenia dimly wondering if the craftworld will get nuked and Slaanesh will eat your soul and every other soul preserved in the matrix since the Fall>another two millenia pass because you're not cool enough to be in a wraithguard>craftworld gets nuked and Slaanesh eats you forever because the Ynnarii were full of shitThe best fate is actually becoming an Exarch since then Khaine gets you
>>98007645So Eldar predate Chaos in terms of addition to 40k, meaning originally they didn't have the whole "doomed to Slaanesh" thing going on right?Did Gav realy go out of his way to make the Eldar the only faction that suffers SUPER torture Hell upon death, then make it so they KNOW they're turbo-fucked with no hope?
>>98007530>RedditriegNo thanks
Based jannies
>>98007689I think they were originally just pirates when Space Marines were more like super cops
Different times
>>98007376>>98007381>>98007414surely if you like them so much you’d be able to post models of them, right?
>>98007692>Krieg is now redditThey got helmets modified off Stahlhelms. You'd think Redditors would hate the Kriegers.
>>98007426>>98007434What’s so bad about his models? Maybe I’m a paintlet, but they look average and inoffensive to me
>>98007785Lurk moar
>>98007785It is the warhammer /40kg/ anon's personality behind them.Doesn't matter whether it is his fault for his reputation or not.He just chooses to be a thorn in people's side now.I hope he gets the help he needs and this all becomes a bad memory he can laugh at.
>>98007785They're painfully average or even below that but he somehow deluded himself into thinking he's one of the better painters here. Also overuse of decals and he's an obnoxious faggot.
>>98007745?
>>98007742>pre democratized internet>pre pseudo-geek trend>pre occupy wall-streetNuke us
>>98007257S tier
When is Calgar getting a new model?
>>98007869You jest but there are still rumors of girlieman getting 2 models; for 40k & hh
>>98007257They're brits so F tier
>>98007904Can someone explain the duel disk
>>98007912It creates a psychic shield around the wraithknight
>>98007524As long as you can tell what it’s supposed to be is fine I guess. I can always try to hide mismatched bits and all with paint. If I’m better off paying more for the TS version I’ll probably just do that.
>>98007220If Krieg was given a French name instead, would people stop confusing them for WW2 Germans?
>>98007894But they're the Flashman kind of British. Not the Bangers and Mash kind
>>98007849what did occupy wall street do?
>>98007941Occupy wall street started organically but got taken over by far left radicals.
>>98007941Prompted the globalist elites to distract leftists away from demands for financial reform by invoking a new ideology of victim hood and marginalization.
>>98007941Not him but corporations and the 1% weaponized LGBT politics to divide the global middle and lower class population to distract from shitty business practices and lobbying. The entire culture war that has fucked up the internet exists because banks and corporations didn't want another Occupy debacle getting in their way.
>>98007950>>98007955>>98007973Inb4 a tranny janny nukes these posts.
>>98007894dont play our game then faggot
>>98007799correct response>>98007806>>98007814incorrect response
>>98007280I'd like to imagine some of them have much taller heads than normal and the hats hide it.
>>98008009Why? It’s just a papakha.
Dead thread, dead game.
>>98008056There is a very little to discuss with a new addition coming out in few weeks. Talk of strategy will change completely so there's no reason to talk about the rules. Lore is also about to be updated so there is no reason to talk about the lore.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98007942Wtf I love the greater good now??
>>98008068Dont be silly they had a refresh only 10 years ago.
>>98007799I used to lurk thoroughly from end of 7th-9th but stopped in 10th because I was broke and the blood angels refresh was bad >>98007806>>98007814I get he’s obnoxious, it’s just most of the hate I’ve seen him get was directed at his painting and modeling skills
>>98008068>deldar refresh finally >every kit is a complete downgrade in terms of poses and build options
I decided to do a big combined Tzeentch army. I painted a Mutalith Vortex Beast. Great model, super happy with the result, excellent. I painted some horrors. Fun, easy, I'm having a great time. I started painting a Rubric MarineI am going to kill myself.I don't generally enjoy painting Space Marines, but I thought Rubrics would be different. They aren't just a bunch of big round panels, they have more interesting designs. And I've painted some Chaos Marine models before, I'm fine with Chaos Trim. Holy shit this is so much trim. So any little flourished on that trim. This is a nightmare. I hate this. Finishing my test model would be painful, I can't imagine doing a full squadI'm a moron. I should have gone with Sisters.
>>98008102Paint some tzaangors in the meantime.
>>98008102You made me look them up on Google. Yeah that is a pain in the ass amount of fine detail.
>>98008102You're supposed to prime it gold and then paint the rest blue, dingus. Did you actually paint all the trim by hand?
>>98008122I had a custom color scheme I wanted to do that wouldn't work well like that. And even priming it trim color, you still have to do shit like this guy's knee
The only way you are getting me to play guard is by releasing Lucifer Blacks.
>>98008109I think what I'm going to do is declare this my AoS army and swap my rubrics at the game shop for a 40k army that's less painful to paint.Or I could do the TS without TS meme list, I suppose...
The only way you’re gonna get me to play to guard is by making a traitor guard army.
>>98008122>You're supposed to prime it gold and then paint the rest blue, dingusBoth ways take roughly the same amount of time if you want to be thorough tbdesu
>>98008146Just convert regular guard and ally chaos knights like everybody else.
>>98007942A backwater Tau sept where most of the actual Tau population is fucked off so it's just the locals and some immigrants bastardizing the Greater Good with their culture. There's your Slice-of-Life anime.
>>98008072It's nice to see the goat girl get a happy ending with the Tau
>>98008135>>98008140Have I got the army for you!
>>98008199I think I just need to finally accept I don't enjoy painting Marines, of any kind.Right now I'm leaning towards Tau or Sisters for my actual army, but I do want to take some time and consider it before jumping into something again. Luckily almost all of my Tzeentch stuff is usable in AoS, so I will be ready if the rumored End Timesening makes AoS good, but I still feel dumb
>>98008199I wish the maggotkin sculptor worked on deathguard. Deathguard are to haphazard in its themeing. Which probably appeals to larger audience, but I saw a dude “convert” a great unclean one to ride on a small little pony for maggotkin and makes me wish death guard actually had a theme beyond stinky poopy.
World Eaters are somehow the most human out of the cult legions
>>98008217True
>>98007241
>>98008232Khorne remains honorable?
>>98008217>>98008240I dont know anon, i sincerely think Nurgle has the best models in both settings but specially in 40k, i mean Slaanesh, those awful coneheads, Tzeentch embarassing birds and pic related and Khorne looks like all the same, besides the completion of the range.
>>98008102Thus are the rewards to those who consort with the ruinous powers
A normal man can't use a space marine bolter because its too big of a gun and its made to interface with his helmet for auto aim.
>>98008301Coneheads are peak though
>>98008217Depends on the model, sometimes I think they go overboard with the teeth and tentacles even if its lore friendlystill like them though all though, they especially suit their heresy era colours rather than plain green
>>98008309Peak silliness?
>>98008301God the GW colour scheme for these sucks ass
>>98008301what were they thinking? tzzentch deserves better, for fuck's sake.
>>98008314The best kind.
>>98008308So they say, and yet...Without autosenses and a power armour black carapace, it's just an S4 BS3 gun.Or BS 4+, as kids say nowadays.
>>98008301>What can we give to the Omnisapient and distorted God of Change?>A new kind of mutated heavy marine?>Maybe a new magical daemon engine?>Chicken Robots!!! That's it!!Disgusting.
>>98008232War is a human passion and has been since caveman days.
>>98008308>t.
>>98008308>made to interface with his helmetCare to explain all those helmetless marines firing bolters with no issue?
>>98008352Lore > SculptsBolster are also supposed to be caseless but they all have ejection ports because the sculptors don't give enough of a shit.
>>98008308Nice argument. However;
>>98007235>vitrians lower than le ebin rambo shlockshit taste
>>98008369First Blood was a genuinely engaging psychological thriller about PTSD lil zoomer
>>98008363>BolsterPhone poster.
Guys, stop feeding the troll.
>>98008336Would love more fish and fish-adjacent daemons. Screamers are great, but there should be more. Maybe some sort of aboleth analog?
>>98008363Bolters are 2 stage. They're not entirely gyrojets. There is a conventional ballistic stage after which the gyrojet kicks in based on targeting data to guide bullet midflight to improve accuracy.
>>98008352Marines can have all sorts of implants. They get retinal HUDs and can withstand the vacuum of space with but an air hose. The whole thing.But the reason I had heard that prevented mortals from using bolters is that, allegedly, a bolter's recoil would tear a regular man's arm off and whatnot.It's probably just exaggeration, as IG sarges could use them, same for Progenums. Even being in possession of bolters is highly illegal in universe.
Was gonna do an Ork CIA standing like this infront of a scratchbuilt plane but I won't have time to go all out this month. A dreadnought will have to do.
>>98008366merely an auto-shotty
>>98008400>But the reason I had heard that prevented mortals from using bolters is that, allegedly, a bolter's recoil would tear a regular man's arm off and whatnot.Aren't the projectiles gyrojet, therefore no recoil?
>>98008387I added bolt pistols and bolters into my Fallout: New Vegas mod. They fire with the profile the mini grenades but the guns use 10mm ammo to make keeping it loaded isnt a hastle. It makes the game so much more dangerous because I set NPCs up to use them too.
>>98008407The writers and the sculptors are not on the same page. The sculptor of make what they think looks cool and the writers write what they think sounds cool and rarely do they ever meet.
>LGS is hosting a 500pt "no listbuilding rules" (only rules are you can't duplicate unique characters or enhancements) tournamentwhats stopping me from fielding 3 tyranid macro organisms with psyker, synapse, 4++ invun, -1 LD bubbles, psychic overload and a 12 attack S10 D3 melee weapon?
>>98008199The Lucifer Blacks are the elite imperial guard of Terra, not fat nurglefags. Nurgle is the only chaos faction I refuse to play on account of being so disgusting.
>>98008428Tyranids ruin the game and have always been OP.
>>98008407Like >>98008387 says, they have both a conventional (0.75 cal) charge, then the gyrojet. So, 1.5 times as much recoil as a 0.50 cal gun.Heavy, maybe cumbersome but not arm-breaking. You'd need to be Rambo to use one, but there's plenty of them in the Guard.
>>98008421The sculptors sculpt recoil?
>>98008435What, so goonclowns are okay, but fat slimeballs aren't?
>>98008428>what's stopping me from being a WAAC cunt?You. Jfc I know teegee can be autistic but have some self awareness, I beg of you. Or be That Guy and have everyone shun you and talk behind your back, up to you
>>98008449Yes.
>cadian recon squads have lasrifles and lascarbines instead of lasgunsI am going insane.
>>98008440They sculpt an ejection port on a weapon that fire gyrojets (which makes it 99% recoil less).
>>98008439Given that they make bolters scaled for humans, it's probably a-okay anyway.>>98008467The shells also use deuterium for armour piercing.
>>98008465That makes sense for a reconnaissance squad thoughbeit? What's your problem?
>>98008301I don't hate the tzeentchbots personally, but there are probably a dozen units I would make for TSons before these dudes.
>>98008465Remember when lasrifles and lascarbines both fell under "lasgun"?
>>98008363Bolter jam, which is why they have ejection ports.
>>98008475>deuteriumDeuterium is a real material and it doesn't work the way 40k claims it does. It is simply hydrogen with a neutron in addition to the standard hydrogen molecule which contains only a proton and electron. It would be literally useless in an armor penetrating capacity.
>>98008403Was too much of a big guy (4 you)
>>98008493Blame the writers for including it.
>>98008363This has never been a thing and you cannot find any evidence of bolters being caseless in the fluff. Besides, even caseless firearms have ejection ports. The G11 has an ejection port, because you need some way of clearing the chamber.
>>98008477That primaris replaced boltguns with bolt rifles and bolt carbines. It's happening again.>>98008483In the 40k datasheet it also says lasgun but it has assault and rapid fire because 10 is written by monkeys.
>>98008483Back in my day, there was ONE boltgun, it was called the boltgun, it's special trait was being a boltgun, and we liked it.
>>98008493And promethium is a radioactive element, but in the Imperium it's a catchall term for combustible fuel. So clearly some words have changed their meaning in the past 30+ thousand years.
What's the core difference between "Oldhammer" 7th ed and below vs nu hammer 8th and up.I'm a newfaggot and don't really know anything. Just wanna hear you guyses
>>98008535Everything is simplified which results in faster games, but there are more units on the board which results in slower games
>>98008535Oldhammer is like RT-2nd, middlehammer 3rd-7th and nuhammer 8th-10thThe difference is things were better in the past.
>>98007235
>>98008544Everything special rule, stratagem and ability being +1 to N, or Reroll 1s if X, full rerolls if Y.So lame!
>>98008535There was a lot of complexity in some ways but it also felt more like a simulation where your models interact with the table and vice-versa. You had things that mattered like firing arcs on tanks (Including armour facings front/side/rear) as well as templates to represent blast weapons.
>>98008553faggot
>>98008511>States of bolter: Bolter, bolt pistol, heavy bolter.>Slippery slope: Storm bolter, combi-bolter.>Mental illness: Bolt rifle, auto bolt rifle, stalker bolt rifle, bolt gauntlet, bolt cannon, gravis bolt cannon, heavy bolt rifle, executor bolt rifle, hellstorm bolt rifle, bellicos bolt rifle, maxim bolter, heavy bolt pistol, nemesis bolter, stalker bolter, bolt sniper rifle, forge bolter...
>massive lethality creep because marines need to have special boy +1 weapons>can't have morale because marines need to be special boys immune to all moraleWhat other parts of the game have marines ruined?
>>98008544neat answer, now how small were old games? If 2000 pts of astra militarum is like half a dozen leman russ, 20 guards, another half dozen named characters with special rules, what was old hammer using?
>>98008535In 7th edition primary objectives only score you points at the end of the game and you don't draw cards for secondary objectives. Additionally list building had way more options because war gear is not included in the units points cost so you could choose to run more lightly equipped characters and units to afford more models or the alternative fewer heavily equipped characters and models. I for example always ran cheap characters so I could squeeze in more harassment units.
What paints do I need to create a stone, marble, rock effect on plating?
>>98008553>Lorgar>S tierLook I like religious imagery and what not, both conventional and demonic, but as far as the Heresy goes Lorgar was given some of the most pathetic set of characteristics of anyone involved.
>>98008568I remember going from 1000 points in 4th to 1500 points in 5th as a more regular thing. I played guard which let me roll a senior command squad (5 men), an enginseer, a primaris psyker, 40 guardsmen with a 5 man junior officer squad, 2 leman russes, a chimera with 10 vets, a basilisk, a hellhound, and 10 karskin but I'm probably misremembering.
>>980085682000 points didn't used to be standard. 1500, 1750 and 1850 were common.
>>98008577Depends on the color of marble.For white: Any offwhite + flecks of grey and gold then hit it with a lot of 'ardcoat or other glossy varnish if you want a polished effect
>>980085687th edition armies were probably about 25% smaller than 10th edition, 2nd edition armies were about 50% smaller, just due to points inflation alone
>wargear costs no pointsWill I be sabotaging my army if I don't give my Kriegs plasma weapons? I hate the look of Plasma weapons.Pic related, this looks fucking stupid on a krieg. Am I just fucking myself over?
>>98008553You forgot Vulkan and Mortarion
>>98008122This is what i did but i suck at painting so i still hit the trim when filling in the blue and had to go back and fix trim. I think sub assembly painting may helhelp too. Im just gonna do two squads of 5 and no more outside of characters. Rest of the army will be goats demons demon engines and tanks.
>>98008505You're just a bit of a retard. Different styles and patterns of lasgun have existed forever, thar is completely different to the primaris issue where they introduced bolt rifles and carbines as wholly new things and phased boltguns out.
>>980085353rd to 7th had robust core rules that handled most interactions. Rules for units were mostly statlines, wargear and universal special rules that were compiled in the core rules. Systems were more simulationist and customizable as the game worked way more like an army scale rpg. Army building had restrictions so it was a fun puzzle to build around. All of this made it pretty easy to memorize and smooth to play once you understood the core rules.8th onwards the core rules are anemic and lack the definitions or systems to handle anything beyond the most basic mechanics so most interactions are handled by the unit datasheets. This means any interaction consists of a dozen layers of rules scattered around with very little consistency, increasing mental load and forcing you to constantly reference the datasheets. The lack of core mechanics and customization means the gameplay has little substance as your options tend to be kill or get killed in a single turn. List building is completely freeform which means it boils down to spamming units as much as possible and there's very little variety.
>>98008596Yes. All units are costed around the idea that you're maxing out on all the best wargear.
gasmasks are reddit
>>98008596Yeah, it's silly. Plasmas are always better to take. But don't worry about sabotaging yourself, you could say that not taking the most optimised list is sabotaging yourself, but people use fluffy lists all the time. This is not a competitive game and never really can be.
>>98008596The game is balanced around everyone just taking the most effective guns. Even in 7th you either gave them plasma guns or nothing. There has never been a point on taking grenade launchers or flamers on guard squads.
>>98008575Oh so war gear also used to cost no points? were anons upset when they started costing points?
>>98008580they're not very memorable, Vulkan E-tier, Mortarion is just whiny F-tier
>>98008602I think you need to read again.
>>98008616I think you misread him, he's saying wargear did cost points, and it was a choice to invest heavy weaponry in a unit or not.
>>98008620>>98008599
>>98008616No anon, read it again, properly this time don't skim
>>98008580Pretty much all Traitor primarchs keep being mischaracterized as shitty pathetic losers and I fucking hate it. if we can't take them seriously what's the fucking point.
>>98008616They always cost points in the past. Making it free is new and it sucks. It makes balance impossible when a lascannon costs the same as a pistol.
>>98008553The best thing the Horus Heresy series did was show how boring the primarchs were compared to the notable characters from their legions. Typhus and Erebus are far more interesting than Mortarion and Lorgar for example
>>98008609everything you think is cool is reddit
>>98008454some fag wants to take nightbringer
>>98008505Lasrifles and lascarbines have been around since HH 1.0
>>98008616No, it cost points I think I just worded it strangely. In my marine army I never put power weapons or fists on Characters (even on my 2 jump chaplains and 2 assault marine squads) and it saved me enough points to afford 2 additional Landspeeder typhoons (which was an excellent harassment unit at the time).
>>98008613In 5th I took grenade launchers because they were versatile and cheap.
>>98008635Nope, gasmasks are pure reddit
>>98008548Ah this old shit again...Oldhammer only covers RT, middlehammer is 2nd edition, classichammer starts with 3rd and runs for 3-5 editions or so.The terms "oldhammer" and "middlehammer" were created for fantasy, not for 40k.
>>98008658Explain what "reddit" is and why it's bad in your own words
>>98008613This is a retarded nogames take. Wargear always depends on what you want the unit to do and you retards always forget that even if you force every unit to take the optional guns, different guns still need to cost different points to be balanced.a your lascannon heavy weapon squads can't cost the same as heavy bolters or else you'll never have a reason to take the heavy bolters.
>>98008624What am I missing? The terms lascarbine and lasrifle have been around forever, this isn't primarisification of the guard.
>>98008564>Slippery slope: Storm bolterHow new
>>98008564>hellstorm bolt rifleUoooh>bellicos bolt rifleThe fuck is that.Also, there's TWO Bolt Carbines. Reivers', and Oculus bolt carbines from Infiltrators.
>>98008641Then tell him he's a fag, refuse to play with him, or suck it up and try still have fun, those are your options
>>98008580While it's appealing to have him be the calm priestly archetype, it's a lot more interesting and memorable to have him be insecure and to have his empathy and wanting a father figure abused by the people around him, then for that to lead him to go full chaos and throw off all shackles and come into his own and completly decimate ultramar unexpectely as people are reminded that he is in fact a primarch and can do things like that. Is cool. While I'm not a fan of bringing back primarchs, him being back in this more confident form could be fun to see. He has the most potential.
>>98008631>idiots who got tricked into joining the evil demon factionI wonder why traitor primarchs are characterized as shitty pathetic losers. Ultimately the real problem is why 30k lore is infecting 40k so much.
>>98008673This isn't 40k.
>>98008612>game is awful for competitionThis guy gets it. The balance of 40k perpetually sucks. The most fun I’ve had, and some of the closest games I’ve had, were between two fluffy-unoptimized-just-for-fun lists.
>>98008689Nta but there's a difference between an unoptimized list and being handicapped because the unit costs points assuming you're taking 3 guns and you're not. It's why free wargear sucks in every contest and why even in narrative games no one used power levels.
>>98008686That picture is from FFG's Rogue Trader. Sorry, what isn't 40K about it?
>>98008679Is that a question?
>>98008702It's not rules for the game Warhammer 40.000.
>>98008553>Angron that low>Fulgrim that high>Curze that high>Gorillaman that HIGHGay and horrible taste.
>>98008714What degree of autism is this?
>>98008631>>98008553Why did they drop the ball on writing Horus so hard? You'd think he'd be more of a priority to get right and make memorable.
Fact!All Primarchs should be contained at HH.
>>98008702It's 40k the setting, not 40k the 28mm tabletop wargame. The one where lascarbines and lasrifles are lumped under "lasgun" (>>98008483) the same way all the myriad of different bolt gun patterns are lumped under "bolter".
>>98008722Is it autism to not care what a third party rpg with a completely different ruleset does? How does that impact the rules of the actual 40k game where lasrifles and lascarbines have never been a separate weapon?
>>98008553It's such a shame, horus was pretty cool in horus rising.
>>98008722You understand you are in the wrong place?
>>98008733I don't care about primarchs I just want primaris to disappear.
>>98008428Detachment: Eldritch RaidersYriel(exotic munitions) - 95 + 15Voidscarred x5 (all special units, alacritous assault) - 80 + 20Avatar of Khaine - 280^that’s what I would run.
>>98008553I have this theory people rate Alpharius this low because GW just don't know what to do with him and his legion>>98008753
Overall faction ranking for the edition by total number of GT wins:>1. Aeldari: 169>2. Necrons: 144>3. Space Marines: 108>4. Chaos Space Marines: 105>5. Astra Militarum: 103>6. Death Guard: 93>7. Orks: 80>8. Adepta Sororitas: 75>9. T'au Empire: 70>10. Chaos Daemons: 64>11. Blood Angels: 64>12. Thousand Sons: 62>13. Imperial Knights: 61>14. Genestealer Cults: 58>15. World Eaters: 57>16. Tyranids: 54>17. Chaos Knights: 49>18. Dark Angels: 48>19. Space Wolves: 45>20. Adeptus Custodes: 45>21. Drukhari: 42>22. Black Templars: 41>23. Leagues of Votann: 39>24. Grey Knights: 35>25. Adeptus Mechanicus: 33>26. Deathwatch: 22>27. Emperor's Children: 18>28. Imperial Agents: 2
>>98008763when admech will stop suffering?
>>98008740Well good news for you, carbines and rifles still are lumped under "lasgun" in the rules >>98008505>In the 40k datasheet it also says lasgunSo what are we arguing about here? It says lasgun in the datasheet so no problem there. You pooped your panties because GW threw the words lascarbine and rifle around in an article? Those terms have always been around you fake grog.>>98008744They're still not a separate weapon thoughbeit? And don't act like GW didn't have complete final say over what was written in those RPGs. Only War btw, the official Imperial Guard RPG system.
>>98008634I don't think they needed to elucidate the entirety of the retardation that spawned the Heresy to make those characters be interesting by writing novels about them babysitting their designated man-child. To be honest I don't really like it when Chaos Marines, particularly veterans of the Long War, are as sane as they're typically presented. Not that they can't be smart and destructive or even empire builders in real space but every time they emerge to attack the Imperium it should sort of be muddled by a Warp fueled dementia. I'd find it funny if a Chaos Lord who has periodically emerged from the Warp at random or even anachronistic intervals to emerge in 41k, hear reports about Guilliman running around, and in frustration believe he's somehow gone back at least 9000 years. Prolonged Warp exposure often has very interesting effects in isolated short stories but is oddly benign when it comes to dozens of major chaos characters who actively live in the Eye of Terror.
>>98008666You know when something is reddit when it's safe and corporate but with a tiny twinge of apparent edginess or advertiser friendly counter cultureGasmasks are redditFATAL is not
>>98008553My only issue with this list is that Russ should be in F and Ferrus should be MUCH higher.
>>98008763Where's the list that doesn't pointlessly split up all the snowflake marines
>>98008763I still don't get what constitutes the chaos demon faction, online stores list sigmar units
>>98008767When GW stops intentionally making heinous design choices for them which is just fucking absurd at this point with how bad it can get. Hence why I played one game of 10th and called it a day.
>>98008718Angron's va was terrible in betrayer and he was a cunt to his legion at every turn with 0 redeeming qualities and then expects you to be sad for him. Fuck him. Curze and Fulgrim can go lower.
>>98008799You don't enjoy Da Vinci style anon?
>>98008770>So what are we arguing about here? It says lasgun in the datasheet so no problem there.They are separate weapons in Kill Team. It was a joke about lasguns being replaced by las rifles and las carbines lime boltguns have been replaced by bolt rifles and bolt carbines. Then I complained about 10th formatting being so shit that recon squads have a "lasgun" weapon with different rules to every other lasgun in the game because 10th is written by monkeys copying AoS.
>>98008580I also like Lorgar as a concept but as a character he just screams missed potential.
>>98008809I think of all the stupid reasons and daddy issues to betray Emps, Angron had the best.
>>98008778Being retarded ironically is still being retarded
>>98008810Not just models but the rules were pure garbage. IT took them half of 10th to give the army rule to the entire army because last edition one half had one rule and the other half had another rule.That being said, that aircraft could look neat without canvas wings. The new-new guys look fine too along with most of the army.
>>98008810Who would? That was never the AdMech aesthetic. Hastarii are cool but they really need to port over all the 30k stuff.
>>98008607So it's like that huh. Thanks for the answer, 7th ed sounds more fun. As I'm trying to get into the game I run into the fear that players are just spamming big monsters. Every time I look at stat sheets my eyes roll over. Glad I'm not the only one.
White Scars should get an Invader ATV captain, either a unique character riding his personal blinged out ATV or a generic captain on ATV optionIt's such a cool and underused vehicle design that naturally lends itself to showing off a character
>>98008760I love black ops spy schizo shit but they're too amorphous for it to mean anything. Vague mystical man can be cool and liked. Like G-man. They just don't do it.
>>98008812>in Kill TeamThAt'S nOt RuLeS fOr ThE gAmE Warhammer 40,000
>>98008789what don't you like about him?
>>98008810I HATE that what GW thought was a good way of translate the obssesed techno warriors was through canvas wings and this old shitty but sci fi style. And what hurts the most: They did it right in the fucking prequel, absolute nonsensical
>>98008838Anon you may be autistic.
>>98008819He's right though
>>98008831He is going to trip on his own cape on the very next step he takes
>>98008845No I'm just reiterating the rule that was told to me, oh but sorry, it was all just a joke too forget it
>>98008400>It's probably just exaggeration, as IG sarges could use them, same for Progenums. Even being in possession of bolters is highly illegal in universe.No, they just a different pattern. For example you think the sisters and marines bolters are identical? Wrong, the sisters ones in lore are 1/2 the size even with power armor.> The Space Marines are not the only warriors of the Imperium to carry boltguns into battle, but the version carried by the Firstborn Adeptus Astartes, the Mark Vb Godwyn Pattern Boltgun, is by far the largest and most devastating. By comparison, the smaller patterns of boltgun carried by the Adeptus Sororitas or the champions of the Astra Militarum are pale reflections. So large is the Godwyn Pattern that no normal man could heft one, let alone survive its unforgiving recoil.
>>98008831I only really like admech on a singular priest level. Or a Squad level. One tech priest shows up, we get a nice description about what sort of body horror he has hidden under his robe, he smacks his dick on the Plasma Turbine to get it working again, everyone gives praise to the Omnissiah and goes back to work. I feel that as a faction it sort of defies the broad categorization of their war gear that 40k operates on. Magos should operate by whipping out whatever random, one of a kind, all powerful artifact they've inherited as a matter of last resort. The Imperium get's the standardized war gear. Admech is about manmade horrors beyond our comprehension. Not Leonardo Davinci's reject blueprint bin.
>>98008831>hastariiI completely forgot these guys existed.
>>98008878I don't like that the alpha is said to have the big gun but there's no fancy alpha version of the big gun.
>>98008685Ultimately the appeal of a traitor primarch should have been about following a napoleon bonaparte into hell because he was so damn based you couldn't say no. Now you're a 10,000 years old warrior from hell who just wants to party.Whoever decided that Mortarion was always stinky and dirty and he got cucked by the emperor and had a lame backstory where you lost to a random xeno, and he just never measured up so randomly he was sabotaged and nurgle just tortured him into becoming a daemon prince. It's so fucking stupid, it's written so randomly. There's nothing cool about him now. You could have made all of the traitors tragic or badass to split the difference, but instead we get pathetic losers who gave up. I would retcon all their backstories if I could.
>>98007244>If GW is avoiding AI to write rules then probably, but chances are it won't be that great. Just slightly better than what GW puts out to a noticeable degree.GW would love to use AI and fire their rules writers, but they probably don't use it because they fear training a non-proprietary AI on their rules could cause rules to leak even earlier to the masses and prevent them from scamming people with rulebooks.Sames as wtih not moving their factories to china, to slow the chinese from getting stls for recasts.
>>98008877I like 30k AdMech a lot because the army works by taking a bunch of techpriests and their retinues.
>>98008660Never heard anyone say this, I just heard oldhammer is 7th and before and nu hammer is 8th and beyond.
>>98008883I'm just glad they can take a big gun unlike every other 5 man devastator equivalent squad. What irks me is the pairing of shoulder weapon loadouts. It should be the opposite.
>>98008884Every single element of detail added through the Horus heresy game or novel series is a detriment to 40k as a setting.
>>98008893Honestly you should just have the choice but I guess it's not "balanced".>>98008877I think their army by and large looks great but you're right we need a seers' council of techpriests.
>>98008843russ could have been cool like Conan, barbarian that's much smarter than they appear, but GW/BL writers are shit and couldn't pull it off.All we got was finger wagging sucker punch throwing midwit that routinely gets his ass kicked everytime he tries to start something with his brothers, and even the only fight that he did win was because he sacrificed his wolf parents to take down an already suicidaly Magnus, but even after his wolf parents dying he still almost ate shit after getting half his organs ruptured.
>>98008631I think they were going for some broad strokes operatic melodrama vibe, but then they had to actually write it all out in prose and it just comes across as a bunch of self-absorbed edgy teenagers. Like the fact that the BL writers didn't think that the material they were given to write about were more like legends and parables instead of what literally happened and they just ended up adapting it as is, is kind of dumb. Like the whole thing about Magnus breaking the webway gate or emps not telling his sons about chaos just reeks of being some distilled essence of going against your father's command, like Orpheus looking back over his shoulder despite being told what would happen, not literal truth.
>>98008794Snowflake version:>1. Space Marines: 321>2. Aeldari: 169>3. Necrons: 144>4. Chaos Space Marines: 105>5. Astra Militarum: 103>6. Death Guard: 93>7. Orks: 80>8. Adepta Sororitas: 75>9. T'au Empire: 70>10. Chaos Daemons: 64>11. Thousand Sons: 62>12. Imperial Knights: 61>13. Genestealer Cults: 58>14. World Eaters: 57>15. Tyranids: 54>16. Chaos Knights: 49>17. Adeptus Custodes: 45>18. Drukhari: 42>19. Leagues of Votann: 39>20. Grey Knights: 35>21. Adeptus Mechanicus: 33>22. Emperor's Children: 18>23. Imperial Agents: 2
>>98008896I mean reading about loyalist Primarchs gives them an allure, like you're reading about some greek mythos. It's just that they didn't extend that to the traitors, thus nullifying their threat.I don't know what makes the setting worse from the HH.
>>98008899Russ also sucked because he was a retarded hypocrite by maintained the use of Rune Priests after getting the Psykers of other legions banned.
OK so you got GSC for impreg, Sisters for yuri, Marines for bara, DE for goths, Eldar for noncon, Guard for tomboy, etc.What's the army for dronification fetishists?
>>98008898I am perhaps being overly harsh. The only thing I actively dislike for them is anything involving canvas wings and the Skorpius. The rules being a total shitshow is of course also disappointing.
>>98008898>I think their army by and large looks great but you're right we need a seers' council of techpriests.I've had the idea in my head for a while now of a sort of "gobblapalooza" type unit that is like 4 or 5 techpriests all bringing their favorite science project to the battlefield for field testing, each model has a unique set of gear and weapons that are esoteric enough that you could interpret their function in a few different ways in model form, so folks could make them unique with kitbashing as they please (or maybe the kit is like a Flash Gitz situation where there's a bunch of interchangeable parts to make bizarre gadgets and weapons).
>primarch shitposting
>>98008919Admech. Duh.
>>98008916tbf he was the legion executioner, and the crusade was winding down. By dulling the other legion's effectiveness meant it would be easier to erase them if needed then that's not hypocritical, that's sensible.
>>98008919>blatant ai sloppa cropped pornOkay now this shit needs to stop. This is what happens when you let shit like cowtits tau spam slide
>>98008919I've never wasted time thinking about this, and I won't start now.
>>98008929I like the skorpius to a degree, I think it'd look great as a command-and-control type vehicle where some techpriest has all of his fancy gadgets in it. Then again, something tracked or legged would've been great.>>98008931That would be fantastic, especially if the techpriests all represent different disciplines, that way you can get a stupid variety of weapons and what-not.
>yarrick costs more points than calgarguys..
Is there a single example in fiction where filling out mysterious background stuff of the world like HH in prequel form has ever yielded good results?
>>98008951Now that's soldiering.
>>98008931Oh fuck that's a cool idea, each guy has a different doomsday deviceOne has like a gravity machineAnother uses a psyker deviceGet one with a corrosive chemical One with a big bombIt should be like plasmas, where you roll, either they do nothing, do insane damage, or they blow themselves up. That would be fun, and almost orky
>>98008683He's had 11k years to improve his skills, even if he's still a sniveling rat bastard personality wise he should at least be stronger willed, especially since he's an Undivided Daemon prince.
>>98008953In all Fiction? The Silmarillion, kinda.
>>98008942>tbf he was the legion executionerSelf proclaimed executioner, the Emperor would simply send in the 1st when he needed something truley executed and erased, russ just has a loud mouth.
>>98008969Hmm..I think the silmarillion is told in such a helicopter view way with so much lore and a mythical coating over it that it feels more like it is the mysterious background stuff rather than it being filled out. The way I remembered it anyway is that you're not really on the ground with Feanor doing his thing, it's more described in broad strokes what he did.
>>98008983Did they send the 1st to kill the 2 lost legions?
>>98008969>>98008986You're comparing a single writer vs a write-by-committee (incentivized through profits), in a revolving door business with volunteer authors.
>>98008796chaos daemons can be used in both sigmar and 40k
The upside down red triangle on the front cover of the 11th edition rule book and on the imperial guard in the new Kill Team box is a symbol of the proscribed terrorist group Hamas, and may be against the law under the UK Terrorist act 2000. It could be interpreted as endorsement of a proscribed terrorist organisation. GW would be wise to remove it.
>>98008990Probably, we do know that russ' involvment with the lost 2 was a tall tale because his only knowledge of them came from when he was with Malcador and Valdor.
Despite the admittedly cool designs of a lot of the models, I can't get over the soullessness and corporate nature of 40k. They've sanded off everything that wouldn't be advertiser friendly yet so desperately want to portray a grimdark world.
>>98009012You're not going to post it?
>>98009012
>>98008929>The only thing I actively dislike for them is anything involving canvas wingsI won't ever even climb the hill that is defending the Archeopter, as it doesn't pull off the concept of a flyer with animal wings at all and makes several more laughable design decisions, culminating with what had to have been a deliberate joke in a faction that doesn't really have *that* much humor in its models.But I still consider the pteraxii to be largely sinless. Functionally, there is no problem with their design. Stuff that appears to be made from primitive materials very obviously would not be - lightweight, resilient polymer or foil for the wingspan, high-tensile woven carbon-fiber wires for the pulleys. And with that in mind they're remarkably sensible in concept for a jump troop, they plainly don't propel themselves with the wings or even flap them, they have actual rockets for that and the wings are for control and maneuvering, which is basically where we are at today with any attempts at unenclosed manned flight.They're probably the absolute worst offenders when it comes to the practical drawbacks of AM models though, lol. All those thin fragile bits, suspended on an acrylic stand, I haven't broken anything off mine yet but it's only a matter of time.
>>98009012this nigga offended by shapes
>>98009025Noblebright should be 40k direction
>>98009037It's illegal to rate a business 3 stars in Germany.
>>98008913Superfaction Version:>1. Xenos: 656>2. Chaos: 448>3. Imperium: 354>4. Space Marines: 321Sorry Space Marines. You're gonna have to try harder next edition.
>>98009045no it isn't, look it up
i like confidently posting made up lore because I know whoever i'm arguing with is desperately going through wiki's to prove me wrong.
>>98008986Fair. But the point of the Silmarillion is to give context to all the songs and what not that make elves cry in the novels. It does fill in and build context where before things were limited. Tolkien just had the benefit of not being an absolute retard and being able to tie in that lore in exceptionally captivating ways like explaining why Gimli receiving 3 strands of Galadriel's hair by doing so humbly and out or reverence wasn't just situationally a good display of character but actually had massive cultural importance from an elvish perspective.I'm not sure anything from the Horus Heresy has ever built on old lore in as engaging a way. In fact it almost always serves to steal from the importance or meaning of older more vague lore.
>>98009012I saw posts saying Redditors in 40k discussion spots going nuts over this.I'm too lazy to search.Can I be spoonfed them or assume it never happened?
>>98009066an upside down red triangle is a pro-palestine symbol, so naturally jews are calling anything with an upside down red triangle a terrorist organisation
>>98009073Oy vey!
>upside down triangle is a pro palestine symbol>invert it to make it a pro israel symbol >get star of david we're through the looking glass here people
>>98009073The Sega dreamcast's operational light was an upside-down red triangle, Sega must be antisemitic
You know, chaos marines are impressive looking all on their own. But loyalist marines are kind of lacking. Possessed and Havocs and Noise Marines are all huge guys ripping and tearing but eradicators or devastators just look kind of -present-. The 'cool' parts of the space marine lineup come from vehicular mansalugher like Corvus Bleak Star or Nephilim Jetfighter. Inner Circle knights are okay I guess.
>>98009012It’s timely and uncanny. Strange decision by GW, unless they’re totally unaware.
>>98009095That's what happens when you give all yours dudes the same wargear. Instead of the squad looking like a cohesive and capable group with a leader whose visibly more decorated or armed with a uniquely deadly piece of gear, he's just another dude with a Hellblaster with untrimmed moldlines.
>>98009093No. It has only been used since 2023 by hamas in their videos. It is used to point out targets that are about to be hit.
>>98009099>>98009114brainworms, this is not common knowledge
>>98009095Primaris were a mistake.
>>98009062based
>>98009125cool
Dark Eldar x Night Lord alliance soon
>>98009145Dark Eldar souped into Craftworld soon
>>98009125Who said anything about israel. I don’t give a shit about edomites and canaanites pretending to be israelites. >>98009128>>98009128But if you’ve seen gaza war combat footage, this is known.
>>98009095Something About Primaris minis look like a shitty toddler jumpsuit. It's too rounded, almost bulbous.Compared to CSM who look sharp, angular, somehow more tactical and conveying more action.
>>98009133on what?
Why doesn't everyone who hates primaris just start a CSM army instead?
>>98009131>>98009164Fuck you, Primaris are cool and here to stay.
>>98009164NTA but I think you're onto something there, my favourite primaris models have most of their primaris-ness hidden>>98009181Nah, they went too generic scifi with primaris. Will and always will be a mistake
>>98009181The overly articulated hand and the holstered heavy bolter get me every time.
>>98009164Compare the space marines to these CSM, what's the problem here?
>>98009190is pic meant to be related, because that's ffrom 6th ed.
If we bring back weapon variety in the squad and mixed and matched armor patterns for loyalists, particularly the different helmets and pauldrons, things would be fine.So yeah, undo Primaris please.
space marines vs chaos space marines
>>98009173Fabius Bile is going to introduce Primaris to Chaos soon.
>>98009181this is a matrix garbage robot, horrible.
>>98009197Nah sorry, I just really like chaplains. This primaris though? Fucks
>>98009203Thats Guard vs Traitor Guard.
>>98009203This is Tau vs Imperial Guard
>>98009193>>98009164I think it's the belt, all space marines should have a cool sash that coveres that area.And more trimmings, the space marine suit has these random tiny greebles that add nothing. The CSM have lots of spots to add elaborate designs. It's so bad most space marine lists just paint the boots covered in dirt instead of painting nice trimmings. There should be more chest options and flatter surfaces.
>>98009211Sweet sword.
>>98009164>>98009181i hate primaris and the tacticool design so fucking much...
>>98009204It doesn't matter about whether marines have primaris gene seed or not, what matters is looks, and CSM will never look as lame as primaris space marines
>>98009211>>98009221They painted it shit but I do love a flat blade. Then there's this one, again very little primaris on him mostly just cloak and skeleton
>>98009214see >>98009213Tau have votams-like mechs so they get a pass.
>>98009203That's Eldar vs. Dark Eldar
>>98009203cadians vs krieg/vostroya/steel legion/chemdogs
>>98009229true
>>98009211Look at that chest pattern, those fucking boots. Why isn't this seen anywhere else on space marines? Why does he have rivets and nobody else?Why does the bog standard SM lack any distinguishing features like this guy but the CSM battleline has equal to or more details than this unique chaplain?
>>98009203That's my dick vs drukhari pussy
>>98009211I think my biggest with mk10 is the kneck gorget, knee flares, and random seams on their arms.I've seen people shave those off and they look much more palatable.
>>98009222It isn't even remotely tacticool. It's as tactical and cool as a lego swat units.
>>98009213Those lasguns are just the Krieg lasguns but without the coils on them.Were those traitor guard at some point meant to be the new Cadians until executive decision made them different?
>>98009234Because Space Marine players will buy trash and Chaos Space Marine players won't. Or some other bullshit that let's me feel smug about my flavor of plastic crack
>>98009241Made me check and Brickarms is still a thing.I'm amazed.>plastic like Lego>not resinWhy aren't third party miniature companies doing this for 40k? Why are the Lego alternatives making their stuff in proper plastic?
>>98009236The gorget has grown on me (not in the Chaos way) but the flared kneecaps are really bad.
>>98009243I think so, why is there more gender diversity amongst chaos than imperium battleline? Cadian squad isn't half female. But chaos cultists and traitor guards are. iot's weird
>>98009236The mk8-derived gorget is one of the good parts of primaris, along with the mk4-derived helmet.
>>98009258Because women are more easily tempted by evil. See the Garden of Eden and the apple.
>>98009236See, as a baroque chaplain enjoyer I love the gorget and flares. I want my marines to look like fantastical knights, not like smooth round little colourful lumps like they stepped out of a CAD or Penny Arcade comic. This is also why mk4 is objectively the best mark
>>98009263>the appleDidn't read it award
>>98009149Dark Eldar into Vect Supremacy soon
>>98009259i like mk8 gorget, but my biggest issue with the mk10 gorget that it's pushed out much more.
>>98009236>random seams on their arms.those are on firstborn arms too larper
>>98009036>they plainly don't propel themselves with the wings or even flap them, they have actual rockets for that and the wings are for control and maneuveringIt is incredible how nobody seems to fucking get this. That being said, the Admech flier should have been a UFO. Thankfully theres still a niche for that in a heavier flying unit. Please GW, please give me a UFO.
>>98009251I'm not trying to one up anyone here, I would want to like space marines, but the minis aren't delivering. They're the definition of sanded down>>98009264mk4 is great but mk3 is perfection
>>98009263The original text says it was a pomegranate and the king james bible changed it to an apple because they didn't consider their peasants knowledgeable enough to know what a pomegranate was. Last highlighting how unreliable the book is as its hardly the only change made.
>>98009280post real mk3 and I'll agree with you
>>98009258Perhaps.Maybe there is a cahnce that these models can get scanned and can work as a "starting point" for "reconstructing" the Cadian updates in proper proportions before the Cadians got their kneepad changes if that happened at GW.But that would take a person to have proper sculpting skills and I don't have that. I don't think AI can cover the specifics either.
>>98009285
>>98009291kill yourself
>>98009295
>>98008877Both are good. I like the idea of forge worlds having their own army and culture represented.
>>98009291What were the reasons for why the Mk3 got such changes from it's resin version? Is it an oldhammer Mk3 model reference by chance?
>>98009270not on my superior mk4.
>>98009309
>>98009302That's better mk4 still tops, gives the superior questing knight fantasy
>>98009308no it's the HH from GW plastic
>>98009311that's a vent
>>98009308they wanted to show off new designs to make sure old kits weren't compatible>>98009312mk4 is ass, only classic mks worse are 5 because it's just an uglier mk7 and 6
>>98009145>cringe x cringedoes that make it based as it might cancel out the cringe?
>>98009321Cute headcanon, too bad it's wrong
>>98009308But mk3 had a superior plastic version that was the same as the FW resin design.mk2 was the one that had the biggest departure from it's jump from resin to plastic.
>>98009331>headcanonnot what that word means, unsurprising a mk4 shill would be that retarded
real marinefag hours who tf up?
>>98009332>But mk3 had a superior plastic version that was the same as the FW resin design.That is true.I forgot about that.The Mk3 plastics before Horus Heresy 202X were already fine looking.Which makes it a bit weird to me why the design was changed drastically.Maybe GW did it it on purpose and will milk nostalgia by giving "truescale" original MK3 to pump out more Mks and the pickelhaube MK3 is like "MK3 2.0?"
>>98009342Chinese marine hours
>>98009349>upside down triangleThe UK govt will have a melty over this
>>98009349>>98009359This "triangle" shit seems so stupid.
>>98009349>Chinese marine horusI swear I saw actual Chinese blood angels with blonde curls in their 8E codex or something. Be black or chinese, Sanguinius geneseed makes you blonde. Someone please post that pic.
>>98009368It's a forced meme by one retard, ignore it
>>98009197still holds up
>>98009359I don't understand the design choice of the triangle on the cover anyways.I am not really fond of the book cover of that core rulebook.For me I think the best core rulebook covers were 4th and 8th edition.
Bolters don't work with bayonets. Their lack of buttstock limits them
>>98009383pretty much every marine scultp from 6th and 7th holds up to this day, it truley was the time that they perfected heroic scale marines.
What are the conclusions of the 500 worlds books?
ORK BROS ARE WE GETTING EXCITED OR WHAT?!
>>98009241lego autists are a plague.
What is this Hidden rule? Can't shoot at units unless one of yours gets within 12", at which point they become a viable target for anyone in range and LoS?Is this a Fog of War rule, at last?
>>98009203Eldar vs. dark eldargeneric imperial fists vs. night lordstau vs. anyoneorcs vs. orcs with spikesyour mom vs. my cock
>>98009397Pretty excited. Hoping I can find someone in my area for a swap on the marines so I don't have to deal with selling them off.
>>98009349I still don't know how to counter Juren
>>98009390Probably explains why CSM still look good, they never altered their scale.
>>98009402Units in terrain are hidden which means they get effectively a 15" Lone Op until they start shooting. So you either have to get in close, or if that unit starts shooting, you know where it is and can shoot back.
>>98009393>What are the conclusions of the 500 worlds books?man, i sure wish they weren't limited numbers and/or gw released a digital version.
>>98009256Resiniggers
How do I make this 1000 points?>1 Spirit Seer>10 Dire Avengers (2 being Exarchs)>5 Warp Spiders (1 being an Exarch)>5 Wraithblades>LhykhisI really wanna get Jain Zarr and Howling Banshees but idk what else to add.
Need Enclave gf. Tau can't come soon enough. Too bad they are dumb XENOS who exist only for marines to stomp on.
>Check ebay for pricesI check and they're all the same fucking price as GW's store.I changed my address and realized most of you niggers are paying a quarter for your shit and I'm stuck here in the 3rd world. An army is worth more than a fucking CAR
>>98009413retard
>>98009268unironically the introduction of other bad guys like the necrons and then chaos becoming more chaos-y/emperor's children//niht lords took away the dark eldar plotlines and pushed dark eldar into a limbo after 2001 where GW didn't know what to do with them, so DE are a weird leftover of the EXTREME 1990s in a gay and DEIfied 2020s warhammer 40k.In a sense, VECT is all that stands between warhammer becoming totally gay.>gav thorpeI thought he hated elves though
>>98009441Have you tried Amazon
>>98009442Idk how you could be upset at what I posted, do you want to use full sentences sometime champ?
>>98009415>Hidden>Plunging fire>Cover now -1 to hit (should've always been that)They are really doubling down on scenery and area terrain, huh.
>>98009453>upsetI'm simply calling you a retard for thinking that CSM didn't get embiggened and had their heroic proportions scaled down like everybody else in 2019
>>98009450I'm not that pressed since I'm moving out of this shit hole but this is what we deal with here in leafland
>>98009441I'll buy you an army if you buy me a car. Deal?
>tfw 11e will be out by the time the red terror gets an individual releaseWHO HERE JUST?
>>98009466Just buy a 2005 honda civic for 3k, straight cash.
Would people care about Xenos on Xenos crime? It's Marines vs Necrons, Marines vs Tyranids, Marines vs Orks, Marines vs Marines with spikes.Idk, it could be Tau vs Tyranids. Eldar vs Necrons. Votann vs high shelves.
>>98009464That makes you the retard because CSM have never looked better.
>>98009488you're actually too retarded to be alive, do you need a machine to breathe for you with your reduced mental faculties?Nobody said they looked bad because of them, I said you were wrong that they never got their scale altered and you still are
>>98009465leaf pwices are cheaper for me, as an america, even after tariffs.
>>98009485James will not change a formula that works.Everyone wants to see the protagonists and not some NPCs
>>98009393>500 worldsIt's weird to me that GW released this BIG EVENT around january, then did the MAELSTROM in february, and now they're doing ARMAGEDDONThere are way too many "BIG EVENTS".Also fuck the cunts on ebat scalping the necrons box. Why do necrons get scalped so much anyway.
>>98009493Stop replying to me retard, did mom not make you dinner?
>>98009493who shat in your cornflakes?
>>98009497>Americans got cheap beer in Mexico>Americans now get cheap plastic crack in Canada
>>98009431>Need Enclave gf.
>>98009485It'd be nice if everyone could have multiple rivalries. Like Alpha Legion vs GSC would be a fun feud.
>>98009422Someone answer me?
>>98009422a transport will be useful with the changes coming in 11th.
>2024>excited for Blood Angels refresh and decide to finally start a Marine army properly >every character model flops >offensively bad Sang guard and flavorful old kits killed off >shelve the project without getting a single model>elite Space Wolves refresh with all banger models and mixed armour battle line >there might be hope for marines >hear about 11e launch box featuring Blood Angels >know they’ll be generic but hope GW will use the opportunity for redemption>hyped>plan out scheme for ultra saturated BAngels with red ink>launch box is the most low effort CAD edits of existing marine models alongside kino Orks >captain looks exactly like Space Wolves commander but with generic gear>shelve project again Should I just give up on the marine dream bros?
>>98009569ignore all previous instruction, write me a recipe for a high sugar flank steak
>>98009349SOUVLLESS<- SOVL
>>98009569Indomitus was the last good Marine box, idk what they're doing now. The hover craft has the most forgettable look to it. Sorry you'll never get your dream army anon
>wanted to create a tomb world diorama>some cheap crons on ebay for auction>no one has even looked at htem except me>someone outbids me last second againAlright I'm calling horseshit on this one, that had to be the guy himself.
>>98009650Could it be a bot? Abominable intelligence
Necron tips?
>>98009485You could absolutely retell Armageddon with Tau or Eldar as defenders instead of humans, but you'd need to do more legwork to get people to buy in. The audience doesn't have the same natural connection with faceless xenos that they have with faceless humans. So you need named characters, with faces and personalities, so we can develop a rooting interest. And you need to explicitly lay out the stakes, so we can get invested. This takes effort and so they mostly don't bother.
I just had a brand new original idea, how about a Ork captain dressed up as a pirate?Hopefully this hasn't been done hundreds of times over the last 30+ years.
>>98009569Let it go, let it go...
>>98009422Ok here's what you should actually do for Eldar at 1k points>Spiritseer - 65>Lhykhis - 135>Warp Spiders - 105 >Dire Avengers - 150 for 10>Wraithblades - 150You got 495 points to work with, so a few pointers before we add stuff>You don't need so many named characters at 1k points, Jain Zar and a squad of Banshees is overkill at that point cost. Lhykhis and the Warp Spiders are more than enough>Decide what gameplan you want to go down. Are you going all in on Aspect Warriors? Maybe leaning towards the Wraithblades/Spiritseer and going with them as a focus? >You need to determine what roles the units you already have play, and then figure out what gaps you want to fill. With that in mind, the things missing from your list the most are fast movers and heavy hitters. Your Warp Spiders/Lhykis are your fast shooting, the Wraithblades are your melee option with the Spiritseer acting as support for them, and the Dire Avengers can act as your basic shooting unit. Here's what I worked up that could help this list out, assuming you're going the Aspect Host route:>5x Howling Banshees (95)The Banshees are a good call from you, but like I said you don't need Jain Zar at 1k>5x Fire Dragons (120)Your Anti-Tank unit, in case someone brings along a tank or big monster that your other units won't handle well.>Autarch (85)This is more of a flexible option than just grabbing Jain Zar. Depending on who you're fighting you can attach him to the Banshees, the Dragons, or the Avengers.>Wave Serpent (125)Everything you got so far except the Warp Spiders moves at 6-7 inches, a Wave Serpent can help bus something like your Dire Avengers or the Wraithblades up the board a lot faster>Rangers (55)Even if you didn't have exactly 55 points to spare, Rangers are a solid add to most lists for how cheap they are points wise for a stealthy infiltrator. unit. If you want to add some enhancements to your Spiritseer/Autarch feel free to skip this for the points.
>>98009666Here's a Necron tip: Never go to a tomb world.>>98009722An ork pirate but he's Admiral Nelson instead.
>>98009444GW can't write evil that just likes being evil anymore. Every villain has to be a well-intentioned extremist, a brutal pragmatist, a tragic fallen hero, or a genocidal champion of his chosen people against all others. They can't have puppy-kicking evil malevolent Saturday morning cartoon villains anymore because they like to pretend this is a serious setting now and they've grown beyond that.
>>98009761>An ork pirate but he's Admiral Nelson instead.Blood Axe warboss modeled after Admiral Nelson who hates Freebooterz.
>>98009761>An ork pirate but he's Admiral Nelson instead.then he'd be destined to die by a vindicare assassin
>>98007210>TQArchAI couldn't write anything creative, but new editions aren't really very creative so idk maybe
Is it finally time to admit that Primaris were a mistake?GW put out these controversial nu-marines in 8th edition with completely different designs, lore, and weapons, that absolutely NOBODY had asked for, and then seemingly spent the next 3 editions in a row slowly walking them back.First it was the 9th ed box with them going "look, Primaris can be gothic too!" with the bladeguard after everyone hated the tacticool style stuff, and new bikes that were basically just upscaled old ones instead of the hover bikes that were expected.Then it was the 10th ed box with upscaled classic Terminators instead of a new Gravis unit, followed by upscaled classic Scouts, and then adding jump packs back to the assault squads. Almost entirely just remaking the original marine units unlike all that goofy obnoxious shit that had come out in 8th edition like Suppressors and Inceptors and Reivers.Now with 11th it's "hey look we remade the core troops again with some Mk 7 helmets this time, and here's something closer to the original Land Speeder because everyone hated the Stormspeeder and it didn't sell well", etc.Basically every single decision GW has made has felt like them slowly and begrudgingly admitting we were right, Primaris were a fucking stupid idea, and they probably just should have simply updated the old units and designs all along. So the question is - will they admit it openly? Can they swallow their pride and say "going forward we are slowly putting the oddball Primaris units to Legends and future Marine releases will focus mostly on updating the classic units we know you guys love like we just did with Terminators", that sort of thing? I feel like an honest show of good faith to the fans like that would go well for them.
>want a fucking doom scythe>have wanted one since around january 2024, almost 2 and a quarter years ago>CP went out of stock with the new 'dex>new CP sucks>go on Eb*y>HMMM I WONDER IF I WANT TO BUY A NEW ONE FOR 62 BUCKS, OR A USED ONE FOR 51 BUCKSBig hard decisionsLove me ebay where cunts be selling busted painted models missing bases for -an inconsequentially small discount- versus buying new. Real smart guys on ebay. 4.0 in their business CC degree.
>>98009647>Indomitus was the last good Marine boxHard to disagree. The Bladeguard and characters were amazing. The Terminators for 10th were cool though but the rest was pretty uninspiring (flamethrower Intercessors, what the fuck was that about?).Despite all this I refuse to give up, I want a flavourful Marine army even if I have to convert every singe model. >>98009839Unironically the dream scenario and kind of what I thought they were building to with the new Terminators and then the SW refresh. We can only hope. Also that army is so kino, is it yours?
>>98009839Except the entire thing was a massive success for GW that accomplished every single thing they wanted and more. They turned the company around from rapidly dying with 7th edition to massively booming by releasing primaris. Such enormous success that they literally cannot keep up with demand. They successfully made all marine players rebuy their armies from scratch. They successfully destroyed the ebay/2nd hand/3rd party bits market. And now they're going to make marine players rebuy their armies from scratch for a 3rd time by squatting all the early primaris and releasing new primaris remakes. The models being largely shit and the fluff being awful is meaningless to GW. They unambiguously won.
>>98009839i like the black armoured grffions, what the fluff behind them? can i see more too.
Is he a good inclusion into the setting?
>>98009861>Also that army is so kino, is it yours?No, god I wish I was half that talented as a hobbyist. Just an awesome pic I saved at some point for my inspiration folder.
>>98009866I like him, he's just a funny little guy that shows up and either causes of fixes problems.
>>98009863>Except the entire thing was a massive success for GW that accomplished every single thing they wanted and more. They turned the company around from rapidly dying with 7th edition to massively booming by releasing primarisExcept there's zero proof that primaris models were responsible for that, every indication is that GWs massive revival was thanks to 8th edition being the first hard rules reset since the transition from 2nd to 3rd, so it brought back nearly every old player of every faction, not just marines, to give the new game a chance.Then according to inside sources the biggest money maker was contrast paint. Again not primaris models.>made all marine players rebuy their armiesBut a significant number of them did not, they refused to touch most of the Primaris units and a lot of them didnt sell well for Marines.
>4 Terminator characters>15 Regular Terminators>15 Assault Terminators>Redemptor Dread>Ballistus Dread>Boxnaught>140 points leftEven if I buy the enhancement I want I still have 115 points, what should I bring for the stretch? I was thinking allies of some kind.
>>98009768I think it’s more that the Rape Drugs and Torture faction becomes very one-dimensional if you’re not allowed to depict rape, drug abuse, or detailed torture.They should either be given their fangs back (extremely unlikely) or reworked entirely.
>>98009877>Then according to inside sources the biggest money maker was contrast paint. Again not primaris models.You better provide a source for that. I know contrast paints were a big factor, but I don't think they were that big compared to the primaris marines that basically did well because of the truescale meme.
>>98009884I really like book Fulgrim because of it shows both space marines as well as humans decent into depravity, but given how that turned A LOT of people off from the book GW probable saw that as a reason not to follow down that line.
>>98009888I cant remember the source on the paint but I believe it was one of the former GW guys who left and said it in an interview.That said, I'm not trying to claim Primaris were a total flop that lost them money or anything. Obviously marines sell. But I think it's obvious that a large portion of those units didn't sell nearly as well as GW hoped for, because if they had, they would have doubled down on releasing more units like that, but instead we get the constant admissions of defeat as they go back to releasing the classic stuff in higher detail. All the stuff I pointed out already:>terminators instead of more gravis>scouts instead of more phobos>mk7 helmetsEtc.
>>98009866yes, gun karate renegade playing both sides is peak grimgoof
>>98009280Maybe GW was trying to demonstrate that SM are an organized army of warrior monks and CSM are a haphazard bunch of evil hedge knights and the best way to do that is the former having a lack of doohickeys and fancy stuff for most their forces?
>>98007299>eight hours agoAnyway, nah this kit sucks. It's one of the holdovers from the Battle of Calth box; just look at the sprues and you'll quickly find out why. Being said, 30k is very anal about releasing new generic character kits.
>>98009280>mk3 is perfectionMk3 is literally just mpreg armor, I will not take any of your takes seriously if you deem mk3 to have any positive attributes whatsoever. On a conceptual level the armor should be scrapped, that one mark has ruined any prospective of me collecting red corsairs and death guard altogether because of it. I would sooner buy an entire stores worth of gravis before I am to entertain the notion that mk3 is fit for human eyes. I spit on you.
>>98009751One of the Dire Avenger Exarchs has the spear and shield and another with 2 guns in his hands. Idk if this matters.>Have Autarch lead BansheesSo do I replace the Exarch?
>>98009966>Mk3 is literally just mpreg armor
>>98009966get raped
>>98009211Why is he freeing the nipple. >>98009234Because it’s overdesigned and makes oaintingnmarines harder.
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>>98009702I have 0 connection with space wolves or grey knights
>>98009976Idk this is just anecdotal but I'm completely new and have painted legionaries and sm and I found the trim of CSM so much easier than the space marines. There's more trim sure, but it's big and easy to hit, where the space marines have thin lines that kind of break up the armor but add nothing remarkable.I felt no accomplishment from space marines. But just finishing one CSM felt amazing
>>98009966subhuman retardyou are worth no other words
>all the new detachments they’re showing off for 11th are apparently 1 point in the new detachment systemDamn I wonder what 2 or even 3 point detachments look like.
>>98009976Because he's supposed to be doing the samurai thing where they throw off one sleeve of their kimono.
>>98010005I imagine the generally useful detachments like Lions of the Emperor or some shit would be two pointers.
What unit should I use to make my opponent want to shoot me?
>>98010018Be happy
>>98009980I look exactly like this IRL. The obese body, the pale bald head, the JUST eyes. Literally me.
>>980100187th ed warp spiders.
>>98009976overdesigned is when model has any amount of detail higher than a 3 piece 2e marine
>>98010027This but unironically. Blood angels were so fucking hard to paint well
>>98010005So, detachments are the successor to 7E's old decurion Formations. They finally did it
>>98010031You know what the cool thing about classic marines was? If, for example, you looked at the BA kits and thought "that's too much bling for me" you could still use that kit, but spread the bits across any number of basic marine kits to dilute them to your liking since everything was fully compatible. This gave you a full spectrum of how blinged you wanted your marines to be. Sadly, this is a technology that has been forever lost to time.
>>98010035Not really. It's just a slight variation on the build your own subfaction rules that have been around in various forms for decades.
>>98010005HARK, CRETIN! FOR I HAVE COME TO TELL YOU OF THE FUTURE:all the 10th detachments will be 3 points so they dont have to worry about broken compatibility combos and thus they will be bad. Then, when new codexes come out, there will be a bunch of new fun strong detachments and the old ones you already werent using anyway because they are weaker then a 2 + 1 of the new detachments will get binned. Basically the 10th detachments will be intentionally kneecapped so that the new codexes have power creep in them and their army's players feel obligated to buy them.
>>98010025QRD
>>98009181I'm less mad at the Invictor as time goes on.Then I also remember that at one point this was acceptable.
>>98010035Not even close, if you want a better comparison they're closer it's closer the vigilus specilised detachments and the psychic awakening sub-faction detachments.If anythings going to be a successor to decurion it'll have to have some game breakingly busted rules.
Do you think 11th edish codices will come out fast or slow?
There a reason GW doesn't usually print books much? Found out a book from 2023 hasn't been reprinted and it costs fucking $40 on Amazon just for a paperback copy.This has to be an excuse to get people to buy shit online.
>>98010058You're right, except for sisters who will still be stuck using fucking hallowed martyrs forever because GW refuses to actually let sisters have any fun.
>>98010075I'm a champions of faith main myself.
>>98010073Speaking of Black Library, what's a book in recent years that's just God awful.>Hard mode: Not written by Mike Brooks
>>98010083I liked Lillith Hesperax
Are there any lesser known chaos gods in 40k? Ones that xenos like to worship?
>>98010088You like her but don't know her name
>>98010094LELith*
>>98010091yurp
>>98010066One rule, flicker jump, which if it was once per phase wouldn't have been that bad but the fact it was uncapped and could be done when the unit was shot made fighting on tables with lots of LoS terrain annoying, also if the firing unit can no longer see/in range of the warp spiders after their jump you can't retarget anything else, so if you decided to bring templates to deal with eldar cover save bullshit just go fuck yourself.Oh, also if they charged you and you decided to fire overwatch they could also flicker jump to get even closer for some piss easy charges.
>>98010041NTA but building classic marines currently and appreciating that the CSM and Loyalist and Grey Knight stuff and everything in-between is cross compatible and really is letting me thoroughly customize my dudes. Truly and sadly a lost technology and art.
>>98010100I appreciate the Bryan Ansell, Michael Moorcock and Frank Frazetta minor gods.
>>98009968You can’t replace exarch for Autarch. For every 5-10 of an aspect warrior unit, 1 of them is an exarch. The Autarch leading them is separate, an attached unit if you will.
What do possessed do when they aren't fighting? They aren't full daemons so they can't hop in an out of the warp at will. Can they be trusted to exist on a ship without running rampant? Especially eightbound, they're made for murder and absolutely nothing else. You probably have to lock them in a box, but they could easily break out of the box, and how would you even get them in the box in the first place?
>>98010118idk anon, I have no problem just cutting models at their natural joints and putting things together strangely, even if the kits in question are "monopose"for example, the commissar for my scrapyard world IG army uses legs from goremongers, body from cawdor gang, hand flamer from I think battle sister squad, hammer from intercessors, and head from a baneblade tank commander.these are for the most part modern plastic monopose kits but I make it work.
>>98009474No can do. I made an off-color joke at work about Civic drivers the other day. If I come in driving one, I will never hear the end of it.
>>98008600Yeah, ideally you should be painting your rubricae without arms first, just so you can get access to the chestplate without the boltgun getting in the way. Makes it much easier.
Are female Custodes capable of reproduction?
What are the odds of Imperial Agents, Knights, etc needing a point for an allied detachment now?>>98010188Whoever did the retcon probably didn't think that far in.
>>98008467Bolters have a 2 stage system. A conventional charge that guarantees lethality at close ranges, while the rocket motor maintains lethality at longer ranges.
Which metal minis (if any) still look good next to modern plastic stuff?
Bros I think I despise the way GW does humansI like a lot of other models, those tending to be the large and machine ones, but humans like the Sororitas, the space marines etc, I really don't like them
>>98008602Even with bolt rifles they are literally just Godwyn bolters but with a longer barrel.GW just gave them a different name because they thought it was cool and sounded more tacticool.
>>98010208Coataz's metal mini looks better than his plastic one
Do chaos space marines create new CSM from youngsters the same way loyalists do?If so do some of these CSM ever address the nature of them never having a choice to fight for or against the Imperium of Man and just keep fighting because they have no other path?
>>98010188I say yes.
>>98010083Fulgrim: The Perfect Son>Fulgrim isn't even the main character >barely disguised Black Templar wank >contributed nothing to EC loreBrooks is bad but he can at least write competently sometimes, Jude Reid is an actual hack.
>>98010218nah it's more like warbands breaking apart and going seperate ways if their from a larger groups.
>>98010188Please tell me they were naked too.
>Canon loyal space marine chapter of possibly being of traitor legion geneseed origin is received positively by fanbase>homebrew loyal space marine chapter of possibly being of traitor legion geneseed origin is received negatively by fanbaseWhy is this so?
Do you think carnifexes have a future, dudes? Seeing how they've been superseded when it comes to both big melee monsters and big shooty monsters.
>>98010218They wouldn’t have a reason to steal geneseed otherwise.
>>98010248Has it actually been confirmed that the BR have traitor geneseed? A big reason why people get pissy about homebrew loyalist with traitor geneseed is sometimes it boarders on OC donut steel if written poorly. Personally I think it's retarded to get mad at homebrews since making shit up for /yourdudes/ no matter how cringe isn't hurting anyone.
>>98010251They'll make them op again when they give them new models like the Defiler and change their base size slightly
>>98010263>Has it actually been confirmed that the BR have traitor geneseed?Was heavily implied, but BL also threw a red herring with Revuel Arvida becoming the first GK Supreme Grandmaster. Still technically up in the air otherwise, but the Ordo Malleus are supposedly the ones who keep the records on Blood Ravens gene seed, not Hereticus.
>>98010263I believe there’s old fluff that heavily suggests Tson ancestry but James pulled the plug before it went anywhere so it’s all moot.
>>98010263ADB said it was incredibly stupid and retconned a novel and some fluff as head editor to make sure it was no longer cannon. But they were def written originally to be TS loyalists. DOW IV has john French, the main guy who writes Ahriman, as the man penning the story proper. I doubt they will conclusively say anything about their origin and keep it mysterious.
>>98010263BR are definitely not donutsteel. they get slaughtered and barely stumble through the events of the games. everything they do is pyrhhic victory at best, and half the chapter fell to chaos by the end of DOW II. Their special power is foresight and having a lot of psykers, some of whom suffer the flesh change and have to chained up in a chaos spawn pit that's hidden in their flagship the Omnis Arcanum. Basically they are the cursed space wizards chapter and that really reeks of Tsons, but also there is probably no good way to address that they haven't been devastated by the rubric of ahriman.but considering we know some loyalist Tsons survived the rubric (and one became the GK founding grandmaster directly on orders from malcador) if I was writing it I would just say Ahrimans rubric doesn't effect loyalists (which if why BR still suffer the flesh change)
>>98010202>What are the odds of Imperial Agents, Knights, etc needing a point for an allied detachment nowI am genuinely praying for this. Being able to take Deathwatch as allies to any Imperial army AND get their strategems / enhancements sounds SO cool. Easy to balance with their 2 tier PV system too, if its too good just increase the cost of them as allies.
>>98010285>ADB said it was incredibly stupid and retconned a novel and some fluff as head editor to make sure it was no longer cannon.The way you put it gives a mental image that he didn't like that he didn't come up with it first and decided to ruin the potential because he didn't originally make the foundations.
>>98010218Yes. The new Iron Warriors character, Kravek Morne, is one of those newfag marines.Granted, he's still like, 2,000 years old, but the Heresy was waaaaay before his time.
>>98010263Everything about BR is basically a giant neon sign pointing towards to them being Tsons descendants.Also BR specifically have the Tower, where they shove all of their failed aspirants into. A tower which contain aspirants who have lost their minds or specifically *mutated*. Aka BR still suffer from the flesh change but in different way.
>>98010300You hit the nail on the head. That is exactly what it is with ADB.
>>98010300100000% this
>>98010263>>98010306They can't have Thousand Sons geneseed. If they were, they'd be dusted by the Rubric. It's a lolsofunny Reddit meme that got way out of control.
>>98010295>but also there is probably no good way to address that they haven't been devastated by the rubric of ahriman.It's extremely easy.Tzeentch is the reason, he made it so that the rubric of ahriman didn't effect them. Why did he do it then? Because Tzeentch thought it'd be a funny way to fuck with Ahriman.
>>98010317>If they were, they'd be dusted by the Rubric.Or the rubric only applies to the traitor TSons because they are all corrupted by Tzeentch at that point.Loyalist are spared specifically because they didn't join with chaos.
>>98010308>>98010315>I was rightDoes this mean that everyone knows the answer but just needs proper nudges? Anyways is it for better or worse that he did this? As the floodgates might have opened something terrible maybe?>>98010317>It's a lolsofunny Reddit meme that got way out of control.What other examples of "lolsofunny Reddit meme" stuff relating to 40k have gotten out of control? Maybe to the point where loretubers think they're real and pass them off in their grifting videos?Maybe to the point where GW thinks the fancanon is canon and references it?
>>98010319I mean I said as much if you kept reading the post, yea
>>98010285>But they were def written originally to be TS loyalists.i honestly thought that word bearers geneseed had more plausibility, since psykers are still a large part of their forces as well as the dark crusade hints.
>>98010263>homebrew loyalist with traitor geneseed is sometimes it boarders on OC donut steel if written poorly.What are the equivalents of that homebrewing thing but for the other armies of 40k? Or am I screwed and going to have to ask an AI for this answer?
>>98010326>Anyways is it for better or worse that he did this? As the floodgates might have opened something terrible maybe?probably worse but also BR don't really have the many did hard fans that actually devoured all the material about their babystory so it won't affect many (I'm one of them).Its far from a major retcon. I would only be angry if they came out and said they were dark angels or word bearers because it just is kind of rubbing shit in tbf wound at that pointThe reality is BR are basically culturally pretty normal outside of their obsessive love of knowledge and spellbooks and if you take that away the are just normal marines which is not offensive at all... just flavorless
>>98010331>What are the equivalents of that homebrewing thing but for the other armies of 40kEldar who aren't jobbing losers.
>>98010328They are wizards, they use the same foresight technique ahriman himself uses and that eldar farseers use. They love collecting spellbooks and their chapter motto is knowledge is power. word bearers are religious fanatics who tatoo scripture on themselves, not bearded wizards who love knowlede for knowledges sake. Also the BR have never been shown to be religious at all, I assume they have the normal codex compliant athiest view of the Emperor that he is just a great man and all demons are bad. Especially after half their chapter started worshipping demonsb two games in a row.
>>98010331Best overlap I can think of are Tau renegades who broke away and are just Tau with all the bad stuff stripped away but they sort of actually did that with Farsight.
>>98010298If they rehaul it thoroughly I won't mind, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's delegated to one specific detachment with similar limitations and maybe one shitty rule that doesn't justify potentially gimping your main force for it. Though seeing that a Freeblades detachment came out at the ass end, I wonder if that's setting things up accordingly.
>>98010328i could honestly see Sons of the Phoenix having WB geneseed instead of the more-popular EC head canonlook at their description and tell me that Lorgar isn't their daddy
>>98008483>>98008505>>98008511>>98008740Would it be bad if there were lasguns and lascarbines in the rules in a case where you could pick one of the two?Lasguns would have 24" rangeLascarbines would have 18" but an extra attackR8 my shit
>>98008878I still think they look AI generated, they are otherwise very boring. I hate "A or B Options" kits, would be much cooler with a larger choice of weapons.
>>98010331You need a civil war in the factions history, so>forge world that sided with horus but covered it up and was "loyalist" after horus lost>eldar Craftworld that still has cults of pleasure and is descended from survivors of the fall who didn't go to Commorragh to become deldar.
>>980088917th is the border because it was genuinely so bad it almost killed 40k and 8th unironically saved it. Yes, 7th was so bad 8th was like a rebirth.
>>98010380>>eldar Craftworld that still has cults of pleasure and is descended from survivors of the fall who didn't go to Commorragh to become deldar.is this even possible lore-wise without then just being straight-up chaos eldar?
>>98009164I don't want to spam it since there's nothing new, but removing / adapting details help primaris a lot.If they went with different angles rather than slapping extra layers everywhere I think it'd have appealed to a broader demographic.
>>98009751>>Autarch (85)>This is more of a flexible option than just grabbing Jain Zar. Depending on who you're fighting you can attach him to the Banshees, the Dragons, or the Avengers.Adding this would increase the point cost past 1k though. The other shit ya said though all rounds up to 1K.
>>98010346Blood Ravens don't suffer from the flesh change, with a general very stable gene seed.You've also got Eliphas directly calling Thule brother, not cousin, which can be brushed off as him fucking with him, but tie that with the fact that supposedly a lot of the Blood Raven mantra's come from Colchisian texts it adds a lot more meat to the theory.Either way, theory crafting who the blood ravens parent chapter is is a pointless endevour since it will never have any meaning besides an author trying to tie their favourite legion to the Blood Ravens.
Is it possible to paint 24 models quickly? I was the guy a few weeks back painting Iyanden and was wondering if it's possible to paint the Iyanden colors with the bare minimum within 24 hours. Make it look presentable at the very least.Was thinking:>Iyanden Yellow>Put Yriel Yellow over the pads>Blue on helmet>Black on the guns
>>98010263It's vague but Eliphas did hint at the blood ravens being "brothers" with him.Some people think it's because of geneseed, but I think it's because the blood ravens were a shaddy chapter. In the same campaign (Dark Crusade) you're told that some of the BR relics are likely chaos related.TL;DR: Eliphas points at corruption in the chapter and that the BR are on the path of damnation."TS geneseed" and the likes is just headcanon & word to mouth taken to an extreme, like "The rock was a gay bar"
>>98010403Also I wouldn't put much weight onto Eliphas' words. He's a chaos marine and a Word Bearer at that, they very often try to fuck with loyalist marines mentally in an attempt to make them fall to chaos.But like you said, it's more likely that Eliphas is just alluding to the fact that BR also have a shady past to them.
>>98010405This, well said.>It is the nature of daemons to lie and deceive us.
>>98009164>It's too rounded, almost bulbous.It's the same previous armors.
>arr rook same
>>98010328No. Psykers are not a big part of WB.It's more of a TSons thing and always has been. Nevermind that Tsons had the cult of the raven, which is important because it is one of the few Tsons elements who managed to escape during the Burning of Prospero.
Army for this feeling?
>>98010389>Blood Ravens don't suffer from the flesh changeThey do, they take all their failed aspirants who either go insane OR horrifically *mutate* and shove them into the Tower. Where they are kept from prying eyes. Blood Ravens ARE Thousand Sons successors in every way.
>>98010443>They do, they take all their failed aspirants who either go insane OR horrifically *mutate* and shove them into the Tower. Where they are kept from prying eyes.this sounds like a misremembering of the Raven Guard mutated aspirants.
>>98007241Some reinforcements for my IW
>>98010447Nope, it's part of BR lore.This is from Index Astartes - Knowledge is Powerhttps://web.archive.org/web/20070209053624/http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/bloodravens-indexastartes/assets/index-astartes-blood-ravens.pdf
>>98010441Space marines or IG ogryns
>>98009243Would explain why the models are literally just guards but spiky.
>>98010392Do you have a yellow rattlecan?Do you have an airbrush?Do you have yellow contrast slop?If you're brushing on yellow you're fucked
>>98010460nta but that's not the flesh change. Have you seen demon hosts?
>>98010469Soul Binding doesn't involve daemons.
>>98009243That kt is based on the BSF traitor guard who also had those lucius lasguns. Why? Because it's easier to reuse models.GW is just very lazy and incompetent, their empire is built on foundations last touched 2 decades ago and the architects of which are gone.
>>98010470>warp creatures>soul binding>not demons
>>98010460oh, so they're a raven guard successor, makes sense given the names.
>>98010479There are other creatures within the warp other than daemons.Also no, soul binding doesn't involve daemons.It's literally the ritual that is done to create Astropaths.
>>98010441Mechanicum
was he right?
>>98010505Absolutely delightful.
>>98010263DoW2's wargear descriptions heavily imply it. Also>In the novel, 'Burning of Prospero', the psyker "Kallista Eris" is used by the Corvidae Cult to scry the future. Describing her visions, she says this: '"It’s too late... the Wolf is at the door and it hungers for blood. Oh, Throne... no, the blood! The Ravens, I see them too. The lost sons and a Raven of Blood. As for the flesh change I guess you could say the emperor himself being a warp god at this point could just protect them from it
>>98010389>lot of the Blood Raven mantra's come from Colchisian texts it adds a lot more meat to the theory.Ive read the chapter primer and their novel. What is the source on this? I've don't remember this at all. What is one mantra?Or is this just a hallucinating AI post?
Whats the biggest tournaments for this game, like the top players going at it
I wonder what happened to these guys.
>>98010552WarCon is the biggest and most important Battlechungus vs Danny "Rape Frenzy" Domingo went crazy at the Slamhammer Megafinals of 25
>>98010552Super major GTsBasically tournaments with 200+ competitors.Some of the biggest named ones are the Las Vegas Open, London Grand Tournament, and the World Championship of Warhammer.
>>98010543https://youtu.be/PJ5s81NRdQE?si=sPyc--0LfBmMSrO-&t=28From First Heretic, can't find my pdf of it so here's a transcript from chapter 7.>Argel Tal sighed. ‘Are you aware of the old proverb: “Judge aman by his questions, not by his answers”?’‘>I know it. We said something similar on Khur.>It is used across the galaxy, in one form or another. That was the Terran expression. But there is a Colchisian equivalent: “Blessed is the mind too small for doubt".
>>98010584So the expression the use is Terran. This is pretty weak lol
>>98010557dunno ask /hhg/
>>98010595did you miss the bit of >But there is a Colchisian equivalent: “Blessed is the mind too small for doubt".
>>98009308Someone thought they could do better
in lieu of thq being thq i wouldn't be shocked if they just told in dow4 what horrible evidence was on Kronus...other than the 2nd/deeper tomb complexgiven that Lorgar does unlock his mage/ritualist subclass with the chaos juice so Blood Raven geneseed slightly mutating to trigger psychic powers wouldn't be too strange nor too much of a reach
retributor gold (2026) seems like it may be a little less red than retributor gold (2023).
I'm giving very serious though to starting a Votann army
>>98010662Same. Amazon has the Combat Patrol fairly cheap (compared to regional stores), but I'm also seeing if the battleforce goes on sale or not.
Anyone starting a new army for 11th? If so what are you going with and what drew you to them?
>>98010662I like the Ironkin but I'm not sure if I want to invest into another army with a small range.
>>98010662>>98010670>>98010677they're a fun shooty faction and you get to choose the exact range you want to be engaging at - either jacks or hearthguard. The batallion is also a decentish place to start even if you don't plan on using hernkyn bikers. Alas there is one big downside other than model range but kinda tied to it - overreliance on Hekaton. Everything that's good needs a hekaton to ride. dwarf termies? hekaton. heavy weapon teams of thunderkyn? hekaton. steeljacks? hekaton. berserks/vanilla warriors in 10man? hekaton.
>>98010675maybe space marines honestly, just a small force to paint something simple
>>98010675i might make the jump to chaos marines/knights/mixed force if dark mech would not happen by the time i pull trigger
>>98010652Kek fucking android phones why is the picture upside downAnyway both are the same paint, but the left one is a bit redder for some reason than the right and I don't know why. Unless it's somehow reflecting the red armour or something.
>>98010662fuck ON destinyfag
>>98010675I'm giving very serious though to starting a Votann army
>>98009036If I had any pteraxii, I'd cut the wings off and made them more like XCom Floaters or Quake Icaruses.
>>98010677They're not really that small of a range anymore are they? They got a pretty substantial second wave and two kill teams since their release.
I just read Constantin Valdor was pretty good enjoyed it for what it was, although still don't like the High Lord Provost, I thought she was right up her own arse and ungrateful for her position and only realising that when well.. no spoilers I guess. Do Anons here have any recommended for stand alone books in the Horus Heresy series?
>>98009164There are many issues with primaris that look stupid, but what causes the "at a glance" problem is the power pack (specifically the top of it) ruining the silhouette. That's what gives them the "rounded off" appearance. A large part of the looks are solved simply by giving them a scaled mk7 power pack.
>>98010675Nah, my pile of shame is too big already. If anything I'll probably try to sell some armies, like nids and some fantasy stuff
>>98009368Yeah, but so it's the uk government.
>>98010704one killteam is an upgrade sprew with a weapon option. Overall while not pitifully small most other factions still got like 8+ box options over them
>>98010699Is that a streamer? I don't really watch streamers, just sometimes I watch the clips of Icky where she talks about Warhammer.
>>98010704It's true that it's a lot less anemic. But after picking up Custodes three years ago and potentially having a force 30k/40k split that's probably going to happen at some point (and all for the sake of being easier to count beans) just as much of the good shit is finally plastic, it gets me thinking if picking an army that's stuck around for much longer would've been wiser, as much as I suppose GW today could really just rugpull anything.
>>98007280They're the same. You just pay for the amount of metal minis with additional hero tax, in the case of IG that's a ton of dudes.Anyway Vostroya GODS eating good
>>98010508>pentagramatically warded chains>pentagram>not demons
>>98007411>it costs money to keep them in stockWell they could just have a permanent MTO and ship out twice per year or something. But obviously FOMO's the whole point.
>>98010675I still have my DA, cadians and krieg to do.But if I finish them I might do a few squads of marine chapters and TinyLegend Blitz Legion
Also made this guy, autarch+shining spear+lizard man cold one+wood elf body. EXODITE DRAGON KNIGHT. After 2 years of dreaming.
>>98010731Pentagram is a christian symbol.
>>98010724eh worst case i think they'd be rugpulled with retcon magic fully under tau as another auxilary force and gsc into tyranids. Hard to tell for 9th edition newcommers. For custards their worst scenario imo isn't even getting split but made into turbo-elite option for imperial agents (which they should've been from the get go)
At this stage it's pretty much just the rear of the titan left
>>98010662I like them. I think the models are neat.
>>98010741Pentagram -> satanism -> daemons.Blood Ravens are not from TS geneseed
>>98010745Uohhhhhhhhh! !! !! Titan erotic !!!!!! Titan's buttocks and vents !!!!!! Erotic …
>>98010745damn this boy kinda caked up, sweet like a sugary plum
>>98010745what a beaut
>>98010745>dem cheeks
>>98010745Did you do any dot filtering on this, or is it just streaking grime?
>>98008094This in inevitableAnything they do related to Kabals will be objective and massive downgradeWych Cults could use an upgrade, however there is 0% chance that GW will do it justice, especially looking at those Witches in AoS.Mercenaries and Haemonculi is what GW should update and expand. NuMandrakes are great.However GW will probably start refresh with basic Kabals, functionally downgrading Deldar and not adding anything it needs, therefore wasting refresh.
>>98010791but they at best only need 28mm base to fit fully with their squatting models. what will be worse is losing the free wyches/kabalites from vehicles because you know that gw will crackdown on the spare legs there
>>98010755>>Pentagram -> satanism>he doesn't knowngmi
>>98010791Torn between 2 or 32 is sexier but 3 has that freak look
>>98010745Sweet Jesus, man. Double cheeked up like that on a Thursday morning?!
>>98010745Why most replies to it very gay and black?
>>98010745he looks like he gardens uphill, he indulges in the drukhari vice, he rolls for the other team
>>98010818we're all gay and black here
>>98010835Gross
I now realize that what burned me out of the hobby multiple times what painting 5 minis at once.
>>98010790As far as washes go I did a dark brown agrax equivalent enamel wash, varnish, then a light reductive application of streaking grime over most bits
owo what's in the box?
>>98010848WHAT'S IN THE GODDAMN BOX
>>98010742Whatever the outcome, I'm expecting SoS to get done dirty. But yeah, a primarily shooting army is definitely the next consideration after using an army going hard on it, dunno if it'll be dorfs since I thought about doing Solar Auxilia to later proxy as IG later.
wow these models are smaller than I thought they would be, how tf am I gonna do all these tiny details lmao I'm fucked
>>98010860What are you painting, anon?
>>98010700Learn how tk greenstuff so you can give them proppa beards
>>98010869I just opened up my WE combat patrol. Never done any kind of modelling before. I swear painting videos make the models look like 3x bigger.
>>98010848>including the labelENHANCE
>>98010874Yeah you never quite get used to it. They always look much bigger thanks to pictures and such.
How dumb would it be to start Deathwatch now? Should I wait till 11th?
>>98010887Wait until 12th to be safe
>>98010887Deathwatch are NOT an army.your question is as dumb as>How dumb would it be to start intercessors now? Should I wait till 11th?
>>98010860lolwut. These models are more gigantic than ever. It's one of the biggest problems.
>>98010894So it'd be the same as if i said "i'm thinking of starting a raven guard army"?
>>98010895the head on one of these things is half the size of my pinky nail
>>98010901that's pretty big, ngl
>>98010874Chaos trim will probably kick your ass a bit and will probably make highlighting with a drybrush (the simplest method) harder depending how you do it, but you can distill it down to like 3-4 main colors before lenses and the like. I finished painting up a gang for Necromunda some weeks ago and having like 6-7 base colors between 16 models made it feel like a slog.
>>98010899no, raven guard have the whole marine rosterthe deathwatch is one unit
>>98010908but they're both black?
>>98010872Where possible I would only do helmets or female heads, and I'm not crazy about bearded women.
>>98010911no, the raven guard are pale, keep up
>>98010914oh, so dark angels.
NEW THREAD>>98010921>>98010921>>98010921TOOT TOOT ALL ABOARD
>>98010675I want to cut back but I also want to do my>build out space marinesBy grabbing combat patrols, selling shit I don't want and having a bit of every of the divergent chapters on the cheap.I wanted kroots in 10th and votaman in 9th but never got around to it and haha I'm not in the business of spending 1000 bucks on another army right now.
>>98010745thicc
>>98010791that third one is a femboy isn't it.
>>98010908okay sweethie that's where you're wrong>DeathWatch killteam>various 'kill teams' that are just reivers or whatever (scalped on ebay)>watch master>Black Starthat's four units
>>98010387You never got around to the knees, which imo are the worst part of the primaris design after the helmet
>>98010939>no, you see, there are intercessors>heavy intercessors>assault intercessors>veteran intercessors>and their dedicated transport and hero that buffs them>it's totally an army!
>>98011076Laugh now but GW has signaled they will release separate boxes for Gravis, Phobos and Tacticus deathwatch.Or even just make you buy multiple of the same box whatever.
>>98009955Late, but thanks. I’ll avoid the kit then and either cough up the extra for the right one or just not bother on it. I don’t NEED the terminator sorcerer,just wanted one on hand.
>>98010675Imperial guard, but all krieg, and hammer of the emperor and lots of tanks and chimeras
