Magic the Gathering: No UBI Salute That Red White (Black Green) and Blue EditionPreviously on...>>97975596This is a general for a version of Magic the Gathering that excludes 3rd party IPs, these cards are known as "Universes Beyond". This thread is not a duplicate of any other general, it is not a fork of any specific general. There is growing support for versions of Magic formats that exclude UB, for example Planar Standard. This general is the place for those discussionsThis general is as legitimate as D&D Old School Renaissance threads and it exists for similar reasons.Discussion of Magic the Gathering where no set or release that required 3rd party IP licensing can be mentioned. That includes Universes Beyond and Secret Lair.WARNING: There is a massive sperg from /edhg/ seething over the existence of threads he didn't personally make and it is highly likely that he is going to try to shit up these threads for a while.Ignore him and one day he will kill himself.The ONLY Magic sets this year:>Lorwyn Eclipsed, January 23 2026>Secrets of Strixhaven, April 24 2026>Reality Fracture, October 2 2026Thread Question:At MagicCon it has been confirmed that Reality Fracture packs are going to contain 2 versions of the same character, but they won't all be planewalkersWho else gonna be getting colorshifted?
1 commander precon for RF for those who partake>More about Reality Fracture>Mastermind mage Jace Beleren has pushed reality to its breaking point. An alternate Multiverse of his own creation threatens to overtake the current one, and just one brave team of heroes stands in the path of oblivion. Be on the lookout for twisted new reflections of Magic' legends as you explore Jace's Echoverse and his inner sanctum within the dystopian school of Hexhaven.>Contents:>100-card Commander deck with 18 new-to-Magic cards>Includes 2 new-to-Magic traditional foil mythic rare cards>10 double-sided token cards>Deck box>Strategy insert>Reference cardWotC Site>Reimagine a new Multiverse with Jace at the helm and a deck full of alternate-reality versions of beloved Magic creatures. Reveal your master plan by replacing tokens with these new twisted creatures and bring order, just the way Jace envisioned it!
Give me a monoblack Ashling with an updated effect so she's viable in Commander, and then give me a monowhite Ashling as an apology for making me wait so long
>>98012708Black Avacyn incoming
>>98012621>Who else gonna be getting colorshifted?I fully expect Pillarfield Ox and Colossal Dreadmaw
>>98012855Now when you say "black"...?
>>98012878I don't get it. What's the joke?
>bought a box of New Lorwyn when it came out to draft with my friends>everyone’s been so burned out by the existence of UB that we haven’t gotten around to drafting it>it’s just sitting there, collecting dustIt’s an abstract sort of feel
>>98012907Evil Goth (More Goth the Dark Power of the North) Avacyn, not Subsaharan.
>>98012987You know what WotC is going to give you anon.Anyways, Avacyn is themed with protection so what would a black version do? Something like Maha making creatures weaker, or more like pic related?
>>98013006>Permanents you don’t control lose hexproof, indestructible, shroud, and ward and can’t gain hexproof, indestructible, shroud, or ward.
>>98013045A universal protection hoser would be hilarious.>Permanents cannot phase out.
>>98012708God I wish Kaito had broken his nose
>>98012977It's accruing value. You'll need something to play in the next 5 months
Loot got hold of the time infinity stone :o
>>98013086>>Permanents cannot phase out.God I'd fucking love that though. Themed around hunting down cowards or something
I think the dystopic angle on the Echoverse is a bit trite. I think I'd prefer it if it weren't so obviously evil. It's a fun concept and the sort of thing they could revisit in years to come, but the way sets are designed these days I'm assuming it's going to be one-and-done and the same month they release lore about how Jace made this universe, he will be defeated and it will be destroyed. Maybe a few characters from it will escape
So what are you guys going to do during the next two sets?
>>98014237Nah, dystopia's necessary so people don't get too attached. You create too many ethical issues if it's a preferable world, while also justifying his deranged actions. Since the alternate universe gets unmade at the end of the narrative, having too much good there ends up being really fucked up.
>>98014238What two sets? There’s just Reality Fracture, 2027 hasn’t been revealed yet?
>>98014238LARP that Standard didn't rotate again.
>>98014312>You create too many ethical issues if it's a preferable world, while also justifying his deranged actions.God forbid narratives be morally gray and a multiverse gets an actual "what if?" plane permanently
How the fuck I beat greeen! There is no aggro fast enough to go under it especially when the 2 other retards are not helping by playing something stupid like combo.
>>98014430Is this a bait post to prompt a shit-flinging MLD argument?
This better get a reprint in Reality Fracture
I simp for Tam and I'm not ashamed to say it
>>98013400I don't know enough of the lore to get what you mean
>>98014237>Maybe a few characters from it will escapeI think it is a given. Also Jace-Vraska daughter is named as a "paradox".
>>98015072Good, I wish to keep her, my wife.I was so disappointed that her actual Strixhaven card was just uncommon simic landfall draw sloppaSince she's Quandrix in SOS I kinda hope she gets a cool Theorix card or something. I just really want more color-matters
>Stingerquill chuds started casting Power Letter N, Power Letter I, Power Letter G in my fucking Future Linguistics class again>professor didn’t stop them until the second G despite literally seeing it coming Any Fatehold sissies relate?
>>98015111I think she will not change, like, she is already from that other universe.btw, more Chinkdalf
>>98015355>picSir this is a no UB thread, are you dense? Kindly delete the image. >I think she will not change, like, she is already from that other universe.Yeah but shes a Strixhaven student and also had to be printed in the Strixhaven set which only does enemy color pairs. Seems pretty easy to just give her a dimir version and say she became simic once she was free from le evil dystopia of Hexhaven
>>98015355Why are you posting Deckmasters: LotR? Just because it's compatible thanks to the Deckmaster system doesn't mean that it belongs in the Magic the Gathering thread.
>>98014090Okay is this always see something I see people complaining about when in reality it's a proxy complaint for one fucking card because I have never seen anyone mad about Guardian of Faith.
>>98014479I'm in Bracket 2
>>98015072Why is she a grown woman in this pic?
>>98016518She started dressing like one.
>>98015072>>98016518>the daughter of the main character and an evil witch travels back in time to rape her father and bring about the apocalypseA tale as old as time.
>>98014406>"what if?" planeIt’s not a plane. It’s a process that would overwrite the multiverse itself.
>>98014406>God forbid narratives be morally grayAnon, answering the question>What if I made it so that every bad thing for the past ten years never happened?with>That would be pretty great, actually.isn't morally grey, it's morally puerile. Jace's goal is already noble, it's his means and the consequences of his actions that are questionable. And, even with the dystopian elements, there are absolutely people who would sign on with the idea for the sake of averting the Phyrexian Invasion. No, his world absolutely needs to be fundamentally flawed for the moral scales to even be balanced enough to be called grey.One might suppose the matter could be written with more nuance, with the flaws of Jace's world being less obviously telegraphed. But, leaving aside the question of whether WotC's current roster has the chops to write that kind of nuance, the plain fact is that the audience wouldn't pick up on it. We're talking about a player base with some people who correctly predicted before BFZ was even announced that an Eldrazi would end up imprisoned in Innistrad's moon, with Avacyn dying in the process...and a majority that got all the way through SOI and were then surprised by the reveal in EMN that the spooky thing was Emrakul all along. You have to hit Magic players over the head with a hammer in order for them to understand anything, so trying to present Jace's world as subtly wrong, rather than overtly, would be doomed to failure.>God forbid [...] a multiverse gets an actual "what if?" plane permanentlyWe already have two: Tarkir and Lorwyn/Shadowmoor. Adding a new one wouldn't break any new ground, it'd just be "DTK but for the last ten years of Magic's story instead of just the last two sets".
>>98015849Nah I don’t even see Teferi’s very often, I just like protection removal and strong thematic designGive black Avacyn flash and then be like>oh no you don’t, fucker. You stay on this battlefield and die!
>>98016650It’s fiction, it can be whatever the fuck they want>wooooo Jace was gonna replace the whole multiverse, but then Loot farted out a rainbow egg which hatched a gay dragon that shes a single tear bevause it didn’t want any lives in the multiverse to be erased so now the echoverse is contained as its own plane!!!Problem solved
>>98017293>It's fiction, it can be retarded.I mean, okay, but I at least would prefer if it weren't.
>>98017309Magic lore isn’t exactly high art. It’s the surviving equivalent of Saturday morning cartoons from the 80s and 90s, a vehicle to sell toys.The point is that there’s no reason at all that the echoverse CAN’T survive, and it’s more interesting for the game if it does
>>98017328>it’s more interesting for the game if it doesNot really. It has no impact on the mechanical side of things, since the cards they design and print are going to be subject to the same parameters. And, from a flavor perspective, it’s bland and homogenizing if it coexists with the real multiverse. No decisions matter, since we have a backup multiverse in which the opposite choices were made, and every character has to either get a duplicate or have an explanation as to why they don’t. It doesn’t add anything interesting, but comes with a significant overhead cost and a cheapening of whatever conflicts might exist.
>>98017430Amazing how you can make something sound bad by just choosing the absolute worst interpretation constantly.Who says that the Echoverse is a “backup” universe where “the opposite choices” were made? Even WotC hasn’t described it as that, it’s something you just made up right now.And what preserving it as a plane adds is a neat way to explore color identity semi-regularly. Instead of being Jace’s personal multiverse the plane could be reduced to a sort of Vesuva-esque place where occasionally a character from another plane will spontaneously be mirrored in the echoverse and we can explore what if scenarios with them and their design
>>98017610>Who says that the Echoverse is a “backup” universeIt isn’t currently, but keeping a second universe around in a permanent fashion would make it into one.>where “the opposite choices” were made?So, Liliana being a healer and Chandra having Baral’s job are’t obvious flips? It’s a mirror universe, with reflection as the obvious theme.>Instead of being Jace’s personal multiverseThat’s literally what it is, though. In its entirety. Now you’re the one making things up whole-cloth. Jace is attempting to overwrite the multiverse with one of his design. This isn’t a separate plane, it’s an event occurring across all of them. Reducing it to the scope of a single plane would mean that single plane was overwritten but others were spared, not that you’d somehow have one plane that contains bits of others sometimes maybe. And it cannot be overstated that this isn’t some kind of natural phenomenon that Jace has harnessed, but the result of deliberate action he has taken on the substrate that underpins the multiverse.>explore color identity semi-regularlyLiterally every faction set does that.
Niggacynyes I know I forgot to give her flying
>>98017972She shouldn’t have indestructible, either. Breaks the symmetry with her first card.
>>98017972Should be a keyword soup.Instead of indestructible, put "ward-discard a card and sacrifice a creature". She needs Flying, First Strike, and maybe death touch.
>>98018131That’s anti-Akroma, not anti-Avacyn.
>>98017972You'll regret playing that into me!
>>98019089>nostalgia boomers really want to send us back to the days of creatures with more p/t than their mana value having "At the beginning of your end step punch yourself in the dick until you bleed" as a drawback
>>98019611>boomers are really hyping up planar chaos:war of the spark edition
>>98016227Kill the ramp. Simple as. Without ramp green has no way of getting the big boys out fast enough. Kill the mana dorks and counter the fetch spells.
>a half dozen threads>still seething about edh in the oplmao
>>98020991Where is the seethe? You’re right here positing in this thread instead of yours, as it was predicted you would be
>WARNING: There is a massive sperg from /edhg/ seething over the existence of threads he didn't personally make and it is highly likely that he is going to try to shit up these threads for a while.>Ignore him and one day he will kill himself.inb4>that isn't seethe!lmao
>>98021156He got banned again immediately after getting unbanned lol
>>98014816Does Stingerquill just study slurs?
>>98019920So not only should I always play blue I should also leave a counter up every turn against the player that is smart enought to run sorcery/instant spell ramp only. That seems even more unlikely than somehow mulling the nut aggro starting hand that can go under them
>>98021579>Nooo I need to play removal!Yes that's how it works in real formats. It's time you learned.
>>98021579Address me.
>>98021579>leave a counter up every turn against the player that is smart enought to run sorcery/instant spell ramp onlyIf you are on blue, then yes? That’s how one plays control anon, by being a controlling bitch. >implying only blue can do thatYou can destroy/exile the mana dorks, there’s plenty of low-power land-hate in case the fucker wants to get funny with a Yavimaya Cradle of Growth or similar (Ain’t MLD if there ain’t any M). Those two options are possible in one way or another in all colors!
>>98021403I hope so. Finally WotC turning this ship around
>>98021605I miss the (glory) days Mindcensor was playable in modern
>>98021605so mull until I always have it? there are not enough of these I feel>>98021666>dorksthere ain't no dorks, dork
>>98021960> so mull until I always have it? there are not enough of these I feelSo tutor it? What colors do you play?
>>98022071I guess I'll mull for the tutor then
>>98012621Whatwoldf be best replacement for this card from non ub slop sets that would fit into red white dragon deck? For standart
>>98022237don't think there is one. you really need to reach for green to get access to dorks that come down t1
>>98021830>1W>Creature>Flash>If an effect controlled by a player would cause that player to search their library they lose the game insteadFixed. You can’t even abuse it with Path to Exile
>>98023748this rules text would need to be printed on as many cards as "make a treasure token" to make green finally fair
Underrated card. $5 staple when people realize how good it is
>>98024599Yeah in EDH maybe lmao
Overrated doo-doo cardAs soon as white gets some land ramp worth playing this becomes a 1 cent card
>>98024625who the fuck thinks of this card as ramp
>>98024638>he thinks it's $10 to *destroy* a planeswalkerBuddy white already has two 1 mana creature exilers, the versatility of hitting planewaklers is not worth that much.Erode is being played in LTB, sacrifice, and reanimator decks to land ramp. Destroying is a bigger deal when it hits your own shit, because white has tons of easy ways to recover from grave, pic related being another one that was just reprinted>1 mana creature>1 mana destroy and fetch a land>1 mana recover the creatureRampant Growth is 2 and won't give you any death triggers.
>>98024638>blow up token>receive landit's ramp
>>98025000even better>someone targets your creature>blow it up in response>recieve ramp>it's still reanimatableI'd be pretty careful pointing it at opponent's board
>>98025000I think in draft someone might need to use it as ramp to get needed colors, but it's much better as removal in most cases.
>>98027570>it's much better as removal in most cases.It literally isn't. White already has the best creature removal in the game and no one gives a fuck about planeswalkersIt's ramp for decks with no green. When you actually go out and play the game and see it being used at ramp, feel free to come back and apologize
Is this card really worth running in any format?
>>98028372it's a not a bad include in the 99 of EDH spellslinger decks
>>98028389I just can't figure out why it's going for a coupe dollars even then. A 7/7 reach with flashback on attack is just underwhelming. If it didn't have cost reduction this would be an uncommon or even a commonMaybe if the mana reduction was for the mana value of instants and sorceries in grave
I have a complete set of non-foil MTG Origins in paper.How much is it worth?UK based but will accept USA prices since I can just convert.Anyone know of any good sites to sell them on?
>>98028412I'll trade you a bag of Space Raiders
>>98028409it's a reasonably playable mythic in an archetype that just got a ton of support that comfortably slots into literally any EDH deck in that archetype. It's not going to be blowing any doors off but supply alone will increase its value.
>>98028418Literally fuck all then?
>>98028435I don't know man, you're asking in a random thread for a valuation. People would have to know what you've got off hand or go look it up to tell you, the chances of anyone having a good answer is relatively low
>>98028412a full set of Origins will run about $165, and you're unlikely to find a buyer for the whole thing instead of the top 10-20 reasonably valuable cards.
>>98028175>no one gives a fuck about planeswalkersErode appears in some Legacy lists and it sure ain't for ramping purposes
>>98012621>create villain version of Jace>he looks LESS cool than the heroic versionTremendous fuckup, villains should always look cooler than their heroic counterpart. You should say, "damn, he's so bad it's good!"
>>98028512>he thinks Jace was ever coolWhat year were you diagnosed with autism?
>>98028527Well before you were born, and yet even with the 'tism I can still separate my feelings about a character from their aesthetics, which seems to be more than you can manage. The Lorwyn Five all have cool designs.
>>98028527you can think Hero Jace looks lame while also thinking Villain Jace looks even lamer, and generalize that statement
>>98028570You can’t be less [adjective] than something that isn’t [adjective] in the first place.Jace is not cool, so it is not possible to be less cool than Jace. Jace would have to at least be a bit cool for anything to be less cool than him
>>98012621>WARNING: There is a massive sperg from /edhg/ seething over the existence of threads he didn't personally make and it is highly likely that he is going to try to shit up these threads for a while.I wonder if it's the same guy who tard rages and spams the thread if someone takes his gay porn links out of the EDH OP. It's always tempting to assume all schizos are just one retard...
>>98028601That guy does get upset about other people making threads. It’s like he wants control over the board
>>98028600think of it as breaking through the bottom of the barrel and starting to dig
>>98028614You wish you could break through Jace’s bottom, gayboy
>>98028600>You can’t be less [adjective] than something that isn’t [adjective] in the first place.You absolutely can. -1 isn't positive, but -2 is even less positive than -1.
>>98028829Cool is categorical, you can be cool or you can be not cool
>>98028936if something cool can be cooler than another cool thing (i.e. Darth Maul is cooler than Qui-Gon Jinn), then cool can be quantified and ranked on a scale
>>98028511cos sometimes you need a cheap instant answer to a snowballing planeswalkerhttps://scryfall.com/card/sos/15/erode
>>98029249They would have to both be cool for that to work though. Especially because cool has the antonym of uncool.
>>98029722And some uncool things can be less uncool, and therefore cooler, than other uncool things.
>green now has so much land ramp they're just reprinting Rampant Growth as a LessonThat color really needed some redundancy.
>>98029954Not even playable in Standard lmao elves are in FDN
>>98030014Yeah, goes in every green EDH deck though. Along with Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, and Farseek.
>>98030081Oh sorry you're schizophrenic carry on.
>>98030083Playing commander is schizophrenic? Shit, it must be an epidemic
>>98030091Yes carry on with your delusions from earlier I won't stop you.
>>98030102??????
Does talking about EDH upset this sperg or something? Test.This is a staple in any deck that can run it. Literal 10 cent card
This is a staple in any deck that can run it.
>>98030175I started with Tenth Edition. I like this card but the truth is, extra turns sometimes does nothing.
>>98030188This is why nobody takes you seriously.
>>98030175In any deck that makes sense to run it? Yes. Like my Neera and Jhoira decks
I knew this effect seemed familiar lol
I'll freely admit I barely even play anymore and don't keep up with news/previews/etc. but I guess a part of me is somewhat relieved to hear that Reality Fracture is Planar Chaos 2: Electric Boogaloo instead of them making UBslop part of the actual MTG universe.also are they really just doing The Maker with Jace? I don't know why I'm surprised they'd keep ripping off marvel but still.
>>98030378Which is better generally?
>>98030404UB is officially part of the MTG universe.
>>98030411They are for different decks. One for decks that play from hand, the other for decks that play from graveyard.
Bloomburrow was a healthy and balanced limited format and a good sendoff for MTG
>>98012621Bant Nicol Bolas, the real Nicol Bolas will free himself due to Jace’s over confidence. Big things are about to happen in magic. The other elder dragons will also be colour shifted and will appear in future sets. Wizards didn’t want to make the same mistake they did with DTK. Don’t ask how I know, screen cap this.
>>98030411Neither, really. They have some quirks of wording that might make a difference in 0.000001% of cases. Like the boros one can just gain you life instead of anything else. No idea why they made the discard a "may" effect when it was already templated with "if you do" to prevent people being able to use the effect when their hand is empty.Drawing first is generally better than discarding first because you can discard what you draw if they're worse than what you already had in hand.But then, discarding 1 over discarding 2 means it's net neutral card advantage (including the fact you lose the card itself when its cast) rather than being net -1But then again, flashback CMC 3 instead of 4 is a pretty big difference. You'd have to be pretty desperate to flashback the boros one.It just comes down to what colors you're running. If you care about filling your grave and having flashback, play whichever one is in your colors. I wouldn't recommend running either in decks that don't care about those things
>>98030448The leaks we got in Sept 25 explicitly ruled out anything to do with Bolas, and everything else about that leak has been proven true
>>98030404Jace has gone CRRRRAAAAAAZY which means he is of course evil. Being evil he has engaged in dysgenics and immediately put a baby in Vraska
>>98030484Wrong.
>>98030501Whatever, shitpostfriend. All I can say is that someone who clearly actually did leak Reality Fracture for real says you're wrong.People have also speculated that if Bolas were to be colorshifted it would actually be to colorless to mirror Ugin, and Ugin would be grixis instead. Them being a pair that does seem to make more sense than your bant Bolas, because it would mean if there was an Ugin he would be 5c, which is just 2 more colors than Bolas which feels weird
Pretty art. Love the reference to Bloomburrow, really good usage of the art style required for Mystic Archive. What's YOUR favorite MA art anon?
>>98017972She should have undying.
>>98030508Bolas is free, be patient and wait for the set. Think less planar chaos and more future sight. That post was made by marketing, it was to set expectations so they could be shattered or rather… fractured.
>>98030534probably Gods Willing
>>98030534Shame it’s unplayably bad>>98030540Haha anon likes God’s willy!Neat effect to basically counterspell your opponents targeting their own creatures though
>>98030508>>98030538Ask yourself is Bant Bolas the same Bolas? He isn’t the bad of the set. He will be instrumental in the set however.
>>98030556>Target creature YOU CONTROL
>>98030540>>98030556>you controlOh, sorry I’m tarded
>>98030556>>98030567>>98030569This will do it though
>>98030564The multiverse is fractured, we need order and justice to bring it in line.
>>98030586>>98030564>>98030538If you fuckers start gay bolas posting in these threads, I will come to your house and personally dent every card in every deck you own with my thumbnail one at a time
>>98030611In this site, gay bolas anon is a hero! End of story!
>>98030622He's not, he's a faggot who has a screaming tantrum when you remove a link to a furry porn website from the OP
>>98030629He's the only anon that actually got his fanfic put in the actual story, unlike you.
>>98027570Wait until anon finds out that people aren't using pic related as a pump spell
>>98030629>He's so obsessed he's bringing his /edhg/ schizobabble to an entirely different thread
>>98030640>>98030648Samefag.
>>98030534
>>98030540Ask me how I know you play human knights/paladins in RPGs
>>98030754Hot take: I don't like even a single fucking one of the SOS Jap artsHot Take 2: You should not be allowed to play cards that are not in English even in casual formats
Should all cubes be singleton
>>98030629Hey pds, please stay in this thread forever. You're clearly happier here and we're tired of you shitting up /edh/ with your actual schizo posting.Thanks.>Sincerely, The Entirety Of /edh/
>>98030819Nah redundancy is good. I want to build a cube but I can't for the fucking life of me commit to the amount of work it'd take to build interesting color pairs that aren't something WotC themselves would design, and then somehow scrape together enough cards for it
>>98030823We don't want him here either!
>>98030854>>98030823Samefag.
>>98029954>>98030081>>98030091>>98030104>>98030124>>98030188>>98030320All me btw
>>98030907Please fuck off back to /edhg/, you don't even want to be here. You just came to shitpost.
>>98030640>even when trying to samefag he can't help but glaze himselfFriendly reminder the only reason /edhg/ got sick of you was because you couldn't shut up about how based and le thread culture your shitpost was. You could have gone under the radar forever if your dumb zoophile ass didn't have to constantly broadcast your shit to everyone in range.Now go back to that site you love to link in the OP so much.
>>98030969True post, but can we ignore this faggot and move on now?
>>98030770They even gave you furigana nigga.
>>98030975>furiganaI legit don't know what this is. Does this mean something to weebs?
>>98031054It's this shit on the sides of the kanji that easy modes reading for 蛮人 and other know nothings.
>>98031126>look I wrote English in block capitals instead of cursive, why can't non-English readers understand it!?You can't actually be this stupid
>>98030537Bit excessive
>>98030770I always keep an English copy of my foreign language cards in my deckbox in a different sleeve. Makes it easy to verify what's what and double-check the rules text for anyone who needs it.
>>98030770It’s not my problem you don’t speak other languages, you fat American cunt. Specially when we can just check online what the card does in case of doubt. And I’m sure little Giuseppe will rather play his cards in Italian. Not in English to appease your illiterate ass.
>>98031638I mean in place of the indestructible.
>>98033844Foreign language cards are ok when they're still recognizable as the cardsThe Jap mystical archives having unique art AND foreign text is a nightmare for readability
>>98033844>>98034093Hypothetical to demonstrate>let's say off the top of my head I don't know what Angel's Grace does>opp playing it says something like "it's an Instant with Split Second and prevents me from losing the game or dropping below 0 life this turn">this description is broadly correct, but I can't get a full idea of how the specific interactions I have in hand or on board might allow me to work around it unless I read the actual text (for example, if I can induce non-damage life loss to make him go below 0, I can cause the opp to die as soon as the next turn begins)>instead of just asking to look at his card like normal, I need to pop open Scryfall and read it thereIt's just so unnecessary. Having an English printing on hand for questions is ethical though
>>98034093>>98034147> Having an English printing on hand for questions is ethical thoughI agree on that. Like the other anon said, have a printing in the local language at hand for the fancy Japanese one. But saying that one should play only English cards is a retarded argument. And I say that as a Spaniard that plays with mostly English printings out of habit and some Spanish cards trip me up because I don’t know how a particular keyword was translated.
>>98034147>>98034234There's also the fact that having a local language copy on hand serves as supporting evidence for the card you played actually being the card you say it is. While it'd be pretty scummy to memorize the list of every instant and sorcery with a given mana cost and then just say it's whichever one is most convenient, that doesn't mean some people wouldn't do it.
>>98033844This is the laziest bait I have ever seen
>>98012621What's wrong with Dimir?
>>98033844Richard Garfield is rolling is in grave right now
Yeah bro it's just a Japanese promo printing of Llanowar Elves. Not my fault you're illiterate.
>>98035070This post made me check Wikipedia to see if he was actually dead (he's not) and that caused me to find out he's descended from US President James Garfield and that some of his most recent work was on an Xbox Live Arcade game called SchizoidThanks for the mini rabbit hole anon
>>98035012See >>>97985928
>>98033844uh oh, thirdie melty
>>98014237I bet it'll just make two separate multiverses at the end of the set. Also how often does Amazon restock it's sets, all my local Game shops ran out of Wither-bloom pestilence and I ordered it off of their
>>98035970>I bet it'll just make two separate multiverses at the end of the set.I hope so. Coloshifting is cool. It would be a shame to waste an outlet like this for a single set>Also how often does Amazon restock it's setsAs far as I know, never, if it's the WotC shop. I think they don't want to compete with themselves so they cycle through sets as soon as they can to make sure people buy new product and not old product.
>>98034147>>98034234>>98034308They just shouldn't be printed in English packs to begin with.Spanish Farewell and French Delay can fuck off too
Neat detail
>>98036908Cool, what about that art of a fat black bitch holding a leech in a jar? What was that supposed to be?
>>98036970Bait for you to seethe over. Seems like it worked, commendations for the artist.
>>98036971>The mission was to make people stop buying magic cardsMission accomplished.
>>98036980If you don't buy Magic anymore I guess you need to go find a different general to shit up
>>98036990Nah, I like bothering queers like you.
>>98036990I buy Magic cards. Just ones with attractive characters. Which 90% of the time means UB.
>>98037007go tell some other thread about it, then
WotC has put you in charge of Magic lore, anything goes. What you changing?
>>98037069Well for starters I'm writing a coherent story that actually explains what is happening within the cards themselves, instead of some bullshit blog posts that nobody reads.
Anyone got any experience with CardTrader? I want an alternative to CardMarket that will let you order without an account, but I feel like such a fucking boomer trying to understand how this site actually works.I don't seem to get charged for shipping at checkout, just a handling charge. And sometimes cards ship from centralized place sometimes they don't? It also seems like their only EU location is in Italy???I just want to know how this business is meant to work before I place an order
>>98037069I'd start by making it not retarded boring generic neoliberal fantasyslop.
>>98037112You're a real grumpypants today huh?
>>98037117We can't call a spade a spade around here? If a story wouldn't be out of place in a (contemporary) Disney film it's wokeslop, which is all that the JotC have produced in the last 6 years.
>>98037131Go back to /edhg/, you post the same exact shit day-in day-out
>>98037167How would you know that if you weren't lurking the other thread?
>>98037206I used /edhg/ for years and I've seen you post these same cards with the exact same complaints. I left those threads specifically to get away from pseudo-ritual-posters like you.Go back to your containment thread.
>>98037069Echoverse destroys the mulitiverse, fuck it
>>98037674The question was about the lore, not the product design.
>>98037677oh whoops>>98037069the only thing I can think of is how phyrexia lost the war recently. it happened so quickly it felt like such a let down. it was a 2 set block, yes but all the little things add up, like>jace just yells loud enough to heal himself of phyresis>all the armies fail to conquer a single plane>every praetor just died in a 1v1>plargg and nassari just got bettersure, they were put in a teferi's gay baby time-out zone so they'll propably come back because nobody is competent enough to prepare
>>98037069Jace realizes Bolas was right all along, the Spark must be restored because time and space are unravelling without it. The other walkers try to stop him but he succeeds in winding back time to fix the rifts during Time Spiral. This results in the Spark retaining its full power, most of the Oldwalkers staying alive, most nuwalkers never being born, and any plane introduced after Lorwyn never having existed (also Kamigawa remains feudal and never goes full anime). Jace fades away with a smile along with his friends and doomed timeline.A new format banning every card between Lorwyn and this reboot is introduced.
>>98037746Then what? Once we've done your chuddy "retvrn to our storied past, burn all modern degeneracy and pretend it never happened," how would you move the plot forward and explore new things without it becoming a new version of what you already don't like?
>>98038906we just do a reset every 5-10 years
>>98037746>after LorwynLorwyn was post-Mending.
>>98038906He has no plan, it’s just nostalgia boomer “things were better back in my day” shitBloomburrow was excellent.Duskmourn would have been good if it cut all that 80s crapStrixhaven is surprisingly enjoyableAnyone who wants to cut those just because it’s not the Magic they grew up with is a retard
>>98040199Strixhaven is supremely gay
>>98040268Sounds perfect for you then
>>98037719I'm impressed anyone actually follows the lore this closely
>9 times out of 10 better than Lightning Bolt>half the price
>>98041302it's really only better in EDH
>>98041409People play multicolor permanents in every format. Sure early turns MAYBE their board is monocolor, but a couple turns in your opponent is almost guaranteed to have one
>>98041457people play multicolored decks, but multicolored permanents are not necessarily all that common
>>98041302Tarkir/Ugin flavored, therefore I do not wish to use it
>>98041478How do you know what Ugin tastes like?
>>98041457not really, multicolor creatures are considerably less common outside of EDH.
>>98041507>multicolor creatures are considerably less common outside of EDH.Good thing it says "multicolored permanent" then.
>>98041494Bolasposting
>>98041534
Objectively which of these is better?
>my queen damn near doubled in price ;_;
>>98041534Don't invoke the schizo here
>>98040905I usually don't but this was supposed to be the climax of the arc and I love phyrexia. there also were the memes floating around
>>98042462Is Phyrexia your favorite plane, anon?
>>98042345Cope
>>98042507mite be. at least out of the ones that have sets. alara is pretty close too aesthetic wise but I think dominaria has the best stories altho that might be just by virtue of having the most stories
Cards arrived today, anons. Felt like they took forever to arrive even though in fairness I did order them on Saturday
>>98042875no pics for free?
New player here. i built my first deck https://moxfield.com/decks/2aR2KScjN0ay5pqnjLxneQ Can any anons suggest some cards from older sets for standard? the idea is to stack bunch of flashback and profit from triggers.
>>98044804how do you live past turn 4? did they unfuck standard?
>>98045692there are some removals and spirits to use
Why should red have a card like this?
>>98046156Because those are all things that red can do and can all be useful, but 2/3 of them wouldn't normally make the cut for inclusion due to inconsistent applicability.
>>98043588Don't want to dox my decksJust got some underrated Strixhaven cards and some upgrades for a couple decks
This card is worth literally £0.30 and this site's pricing is driving me insane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncj_HZkRXlcFascinating how bad some people are at deck building. This gay autist literally defaults to removing draw and removal.
>>98046670You should get rid of draw (statistically you'll draw a land so it's not strong).
>>98046922lel I wish I could fall for this bait
Greatness, at any cost.
>>98046967Did you find it?
>>98046972no I got domed for 3 two turns in a row
I've developed this strong infatuation for one of the only (bio) chicks at my weekly Modern event and it's weird, I've been in a decade long relationship and I'm starting to get older and I dunno is it like thinking about the sort of things you miss out in your prime, like sticking to one pussy? So maybe this is normal and I'll get over it? Man this shit sucks, like I'm thinking all week about how to beat her at Modern because that's the only thing I have in common with her, playing to win a game of Magic the Gathering in the Modern format.
>>98047078Thanks for the update, Mr Hambly. Shouldn’t you be updating the packaging on your coffee, or have you given up that grift?
Best card of SOS?
>>98046311ah, so you mentioned that cards arrived just to make yourself live rent free in my head. in that case welcome welcome, no-cards-anon
>>98047733Are you having some kind of breakdown?
>>98046670>>98046922I do this and top deck the big dick two for one creature I replaced the draw/removal spell withcan't be that bad if I just che>sponsored by redditstopped reading there
>>98047135Literally who
>>98047876Install SponsorBlock
>>98047686I like the lute and the ark but it's hard to beat repeatable spells, especially ones this easy
>>98048066Is it really worth it for 4 mana?
Thematically is this huge fucking dragon going on stage and crushing skulls like eggs in his bare hands for each verse of poetry?And Strixhaven is meant to be the good guy school and Hexhaven is evil? Make it make sense
>>98048416depends on the format. flowstate might be better for 60 altho I don't really believe in it
>>98048675I think even in Coomander the lute is overcosted. The problem it has is that 4 CMC is a very common mana value for commanders and something people often fail to appreciate is how much better a deck works when you clear out mana values equal to your commander as much as possible. In most metas it's better to just play your commander on curve unless it's literally kill-on-sight. So if you have a 4CMC commander but also have lute in hand, you have to make the decision of whether you want your commander now, or whether you cast lute now and commander next turn. Realistically if you play lute now and commander next turn you're actually gimping yourself for 2 turns because even with the extra mana from lute you're only giving yourself 2 excess mana at most the turn the commander comes down, which isn't going to be starting many engines. So you're playing lute on curve, commander a turn behind, and then getting your game plan underway a turn after.The fact the excess mana can only be used on instants and sorceries also massively restricts its usefulness, AND because there's so much artifact ramp over land ramp (especially in izzet and combinations that include izzet) you're going to see a lot of situations where you only get a little benefit from the lute at allIs it really any better than running a medallion in terms of the amount of mana it saves you? I don't think so. Maybe you run it in izzet X spells, but other than that I see it as $1.50 card at most
>>98047078Is your wife ugly?
>>98048738She's out of his league but would rather spend time with Adam Sellers. They married young, you see. High school sweethearts. But then Jer got obese and bitter
>>98014237I do think having another multiverse on top of the existing multiverse is a bit too much of a can of worms. Honestly I'm not sold on Jace as the new villain either, even odds Bolas somehow hijacks it or something.
>>98048801It doesn't literally need to be a 2nd multiverse though. As was said above, at the end of the arc it can basically become like a planar Vesuva, call it some residual planar energy or some bullshit and have it so spontaneously this place will spawn locations and characters that are colorshifted versions of things in the multiverse. I literally don't see any reason not to. It would mean any time WotC feels like it they can revisit something the fans enjoyed but with a fresh twistIt doesn't need to be some entire second continuity, and I don't know why a couple people ITT talk about it as if it is. The way sets are written these days because set blocks got scrapped, there isn't fucking time to explore this place as if its a second multiverse. It's going to be the Jacestice League at not-Strixhaven and that's fucking it. So treat it that way. End of the arc, say Jace was defeated, saw the light, blah blah blah blah blah, but the echoverse just couldn't be destroyed once it was created and now it's in a formless state where whenever the writers feel like it they can use it as an excuse to print more cardboard. Easy fucking win
>>98022237Sadly I don't think there's any. Used to have the 1R Sarkhan in that slot-ish for Boros/Mardu dragons but they're miles away in usefulness from each other.
>>98028372It's funny in one of the fifty different Izzet spellslinger decks in standard right now. Goes nicely with my pet card, Frostcliff Siege.
>>98028600>it's not possible for an ice cube to be less hot than an iceberg
>>98022237Assuming this isn't just a bait post testing the waters of whether you can get away with posting UB despite it being explicitly forbidden in the OP, pic related is in Foundations and since dragons are the only fliers you give a shit about reducing the cost of, it does the exact same thing.
>>98041302>>98041457the problem is that you really want your burn spell to also be a removal spell on turn 1 in modern/legacy, it's the difference between being able to answer a ragavan or a tamiyo or not
>>98037069a multiversal quake goes off that shifts reality so that women are allowed to have tits again
>>98047686It's probably something boring like Flow State. Colorstorm Stallion has my heart though.
>>98041478What's wrong with Tarkir
>>98048984Neat art, reminds me of that blue nightmare horse statue in America somewhere
>>98048869>It would mean any time WotC feels like it they can revisit something the fans enjoyed but with a fresh twistThey can already do that in Modern Horizons sets. There's no reason to keep a mirror universe around just for wanking purposes.
>>98049119Name one fucking time Modern Horizons colorshifted a plane
>>98042272mother
>>98049322Call me mommy.
>>98048976Is gooning really so important to you?
How do I make pic related pop off before turn 8?I feel like I spend so many turns sending stuff to grave and trying to set up cost reducers and burn triggers, and the deck kind of does nothing until suddenly on turn 8 if the cards have aligned I cast like 10 spells
>>98048575Remember that Sikverquill has a sub theme of little token spiritsHe turns inklings into a full blown inkuisition
>>98049018It's at the Denver International airport. It's supposed to be a blue mustang like the Denver Broncos you would think but it just looks weird and I see it every time I travel through there
>>98049119I think even Wizards is aware of how badly the straight-to-modern sets fucked up every format, hence why it's all Standard-legal all the time now
>>98049813ALL HAIL BLUCIFER.
>>98049813oh, that's not even an editit actually has glowing red eyes
>>98048729I see what you mean but I guess I just don't play decks that want their commander asap, let alone kill on sight
>>98049395>turn 4 lute>turn 5 extra turn>turn 6 kess and recast extra turnrince and repeat extra turns that you (always) drawI have a wheels one but that's kinda slow so maybe just combo?
>>98049351Considering your pic you already know the answer, but yes, I think the direction they're taking with regards to anything that hints at (female) sexualization is both boring and, ironically, kinda juvenile and retrograde. I don't want or need every woman in Magic to look like a Frazetta character, but them electing to completely shut down anything that remotely hints of sex appeal in favor of this weird sterile prog-fantasy-by-way-of-tumblr aesthetic is disheartening.
These threads are comfy and you are my friends
>>98052201Leftoid company, what can you expect?Wonder how many WotC employees have OnlyFans on the side
>>98050402I think maybe I need more draw. I’m not bricking but I just don’t always have the right combination of cards.Maybe I should just bite the bullet and put in Gifts Ungiven and ways to tutor it so I can combo ASAP
>>98050140MH3 was only two years ago, with MH2 having been three years before that. I wouldn't assume they've stopped milking until we've seen the schedule for 2027.
>>98053421They've were doing a yearly straight to Modern product for like a decade up until MH3, right? The "innovation" sets. And those stopped since they moved to six+ Standard sets a year
>>98053309myeah, kess is just there to back me up if I brick since I can double dip any spell
>>98053916oh shit I didn't even realise that. can't wait for standard to become modern powerlevel!
>>98055436I mean Vivi Cauldron was barely altered from Standard to Modern so we're pretty much there
>>98048416It is playable in standard. It's still a mana doubler for 4 in Izzet (lol) and mana doublers at 4 have always been playable
>>98042593Oh, you are the schizo, got it>>98048991Dogshit flavor and I have to be reminded of it every time someone wants to talk about a wedge
>>98057287Cope
>>98057088Is it playable though?
Did you win last night, anon?
>>98057899yes, was super behind so the green player left me alone while killing the competition and I then top decked a threaten effect to swing their huge trampler at 'em
>>98057899no, wanted to give the win to the new kid learning the game but the local tryhard convinced the kid to throw it so he could win the promo pack insteadthere was a bristly bill inside
>>98058494>win the promo packAbsolutely insane way to play the game
>>98057287>Dogshit flavor and I have to be reminded of it every time someone wants to talk about a wedgeWhat the actual fuck are you talking about?
>>98058894It seems not everyone enjoys monks.
>>98058937Who'd have thunk?
Where is the best place to go to find other racist embittered old players to play historic standard with?
>>98059074Discord I guess
>>98058956who'dn't monk?
>>98059947The monkey monk?
>>98042333Eldraine's high fae are so aesthetic. I haven't a clue what's up with their heads being baskets holding light but I'm down for it.
>>98060575Faeries always seem to get kino designs. Eldraine Fae are cool but my heart belongs to Lorwyn/Shadowmoor's insectoid FaeriesMy biggest regret for nuLorwyn is that I never got to play Faeries in limited
>>98060575>This ugly son of a bitch is literally sleeping with super hot Phyrexian noblewomen and basically you are fucking stupid.
>>98060833Magic should really find a better way to show off key art for the set. I have seen this card so many times but never realized his feet were all fucked up and his hair was a birds nest.I propose the backside of some number of tokens, or pack extras etc becomes a collectible story card, nonplayable, but feature4s a zoomed in art (like the art series from MH sets) but adds flavor text that can pertain to the art, the story, etc. So much work the creative team puts in get lost and never communicated to the players. A couple of blurbs in pack would do more for the universe than a novel ever could.
>>98058894>ching chong ping pong
>>98060865The art just needs to be drawn better. So many artists now don't seem to keep in mind their art will be on a tiny card
>>98042333no idea why it was low in the first place. just like nu-gitrog. cards are nutsbeen real easy trading up past years to get cards for cheap
>>98062034>Yeah lemme just pay (4) before playing the card I actually wantedValley Floodcaller is right there with huge upside.
>>98062145yes, that too. has won me a game once or twice. no idea why it's still cheaper
>>98062209Because Flash as an effect has become largely devalued over time and the reason it stays shit is mostly because WotC doesn't ever want draw-go to come back (since people bitch incessantly whenever control is meta). See: Leyline of Anticipation sucking despite being literally 0 mana.That being said I also have no clue why Valley Floodcaller also got huge upside stapled to it.
>>98060575>I haven't a clue what's up with their heads being baskets holding lightBlizzardwank shit Magic artists started doing because WoW defined fantasy in the 00s. Same shit appears on flamekin and their offshoots
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