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>>98070705
>How do you prevent banality from creeping in?
The Coalition believes in the importance of informing the public about the benefits of ze price stabilité. Transparency is one of our principles. Would you like an informational pamphlet?

Damn,it's almost like this thread was made for this post

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ugly incel loser chud that gets embraced by a nosferatu and becomes the nossie equivalent of a chad

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Welcome to the Fan Reboot of Darkness, a project wherein we reclaim our beloved game from the taint of Paradox.
See these previous discussions for our progress thus far:
>>98061599
>>98037231
We briefly touched on vampires in our last discussion. Let's move onto hunters, mad scientists, and sorcerers.

I forgot the title again... too depressed to care

>>98071035
Wraith or changeling?

>>98071044
Im breathing so i guess im still alive even if signs seem to tell me otherwise

>>98071027
>hunters

Are you going to have the normie of normies, the Hunters Hunted guys, and the Imbued, or are you going to cuck out like H5?

>>98071027
Vampires need to be changed heavily. VtM just makes them into superheroes with fangs, and all the clans are essentially the same type of creature with different superpowers. I want vampires to be like actual mythological vampires. Hurt by wild roses and fleeing at church bells. Transform into butterflies. I understand that real vampire myths are different depending on their country of origin, so that's what clans should be like. Greeks have bronze feet, witch strigoi with two hearts in Romania. And the sects need to just go. Vampires are solitary creatures, it's only in shit like VtM and it's derivatives where they have grand global societies.

>>98071164
>Hunters Hunted guys
I'm only familiar with Hunter: the Vigil, so feel free to info-dump about any of the other editions.

>>98070705
>How do you prevent banality from creeping in?
Friends and fun (tabletop RPGs give me both).

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>>98071170
>Hurt by wild roses
Now this is one weakness that I've never heard of. What's the source?

>>98071170
But that would make vampires just like werewolves. And even Carmilla and Dracula had their harems.

The year is 2036 and /wodg/ is still spitballing random ideas for the Fan Reboot of Darkness, without coming anywhere close to discussing mechanics or what an actual game in any of the hypothetical game-lines actually looks like.

>>98071363
Rude but trued.
Feel free to share any ideas that you have.

>>98071363
I'm gonna be honest, this is just a healthier way of doing "I don't like X splat, this is what I'd do differently" posting. Which I'm cool with but let's be honest, most people in a WoD thread like enough of WoD to not want to build an entirely new setting and system from scratch with the same elevator pitch as WoD. Even those that don't like too many splats have their own pet splat they're happy with and see no reason to change, so by its very nature this is probably gonna go nowhere. Which is fine.

Skinning hedgefag alive and making a suit out of it then posting as him

>>98071453
But I would like to "get shit done" as the kids say.

>>98070951
>sinnfeinsupporter
kek

>ugly incel loser chud that gets embraced by a nosferatu and becomes the nossie equivalent of an incel
Fixed for you, bro.

>>98071170
I don't mind leaving the possibility of "superheroes with fangs" shenanigans open (especially if it's a choice between that and ending up with "play to lose"), since I think other aspects can make up for it (you are far from the biggest monster in town, need blood and minions, risk of frenzy, etc)

But I mentioned in the previous thread this Carmilla quote that brings to mind a theme of Sacrifice
>Love will have its sacrifices. No sacrifice without blood

You have Power now, but it doesn't come for free. What will you sacrifice and what will you hold onto?

>>98070922
This is a weird one for me, I can sort of see it but Changelings have a lot of whimsy to them that Tau lack in general. Fascinating.

I just tend towards playing good guys. Doesn’t stop me from playing Shark tho

>>98070951
My guy was so ugly they couldn't even tell the difference post embrace.

>>98071506
Speaking of, what do you think should be the core themes and ideas for each splat?

After all some can vary drastically, like how The Dreaming and The Lost are two very different Changeling games.

>>98071508
>Doesn’t stop me from playing Shark tho
How do you avoid creeping people out during the game?

>>98071531
Maybe the lines should be unified narratively in the way that the Chronicles of Darkness unified them mechanically.

>>98071490
Okay, but what's your actual goal here? From everything I've read, this is less of a fan reboot and more of an un-WoD.

>>98071027
>Let's move onto hunters, mad scientists
I had been thinking about this as a possible antagonist to Changelings or Werewolves (or both if we fuse them as >>98062246 suggested), but...

An organization whose goal is the prosperity of humanity, but are the equivalent of a company who is designing their product to appeal to their investors rather than to actually be good. They will do everything in their power to make the numbers in their stats of human prosperity go up, and nevermind whether a sudden population growth or gentrification or mass industrialization or building Rapture underwater will actually help anyone. And of course only care about human prosperity, not any species that they drive into extinction sapient or not.

Then again maybe that's just Pentex and Technocracy with the serial numbers filed off.

I had been thinking about maybe having Changeling focus on alienation, on metaphorical and literal red-headed stepchildren who have their feet in two massively different worlds and cultures and thus don't belong in either but are uniquely qualified for protecting each one from the worst aspects of the other.

>>98071576
Can you elaborate on what you mean by this, please?

>>98070915
Never played the game, but this pic screams banality. Specifically the doctors who prescribe you pills and treatments that kills your fae soul

>>98071508
>Changeling
>Good guys
Fair play anon, fair play.
>>98071021
Hero route enjoyers can be based, that's usually my go to though mainly because all the "evil" routes in games are horribly undercooked

>>98071619
Well, I have read complaints that the rest of the lines clashed with the gothic decadence of Vampire: the Masquerade. And since a lot of players like to have multi-monster groups, it should feel more cohesive, less ragtag, and each story should try to converge on a particular mood/theme/tone.

>>98071629
Even worse, he's like a super-economist who peddles for you to sell out your nation to the globohomo gainsmachine

>>98070705
>How do you prevent banality from creeping in?
by getting the op wrong it seems

>>98071636
You can have a multi-monster group and still keep with the gothic city atmosphere of the Vampire, it's not like Vampire is an entirely serious game with absolutely no funny business whatsoever. Yes, Werewolf is more punk and hippy but it's still working on a world that's significantly more dark and gothic, spooky forests and shit. Sure Mage is whimsical and it's like an edgier Harry Potter but there's also horrors beyond human comprehension in the ocean and out in space. If you wanted to make it about blood raves and clubhouse murder-orgies, you can and there's absolutely nothing stopping you even if you'll have to run the ruleset using CofD so that the designated murder-tank doesn't instakill everyone by nature of simply being built different from day one

>>98071164
I sort of feel like Imbued style Hunters should exist, but be Rare, you know? Humans are the mundane faction, and even they could already have sorcerers, true faith,, psychics, deviants...

Maybe they could be the human equivalent of Elders?

>>98071363
Anything in particular that you'd be interested in proposing or talking about? Any mechanics that you are particularly unsatisfied with that you think a reboot could fix, or anything you'd like for a game for a particular gameline?

The good thing about brainstorming is that we can throw all kinds of thing at the wall, about anything related to the reboot, and see if it inspires someone else.

>>98071589
I'm not sure what the others want but as for myself, I want to play unapologetic monsters in a setting at least loosely based on the real world. I want to dethrone/decenter the Big Three (Vampire, Werewolf, Mage) in favor of demons, ghosts, and mortals (and/or mortal-adjacents). And I want this to appeal to more people than just myself. Otherwise, I could just daydream.

>>98071659
>mortals
>unapologetic monsters
At least make them Slashers or something interesting

>>98071614
>I had been thinking about maybe having Changeling focus on alienation, on metaphorical and literal red-headed stepchildren who have their feet in two massively different worlds and cultures and thus don't belong in either but are uniquely qualified for protecting each one from the worst aspects of the other.
Wasn't that one of the main draws of Changeling: the Dreaming, especially when Bedlam was involved?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyKrozpPNAE

>>98071554
You’re kidding? Half the fun is creeping people out!
I constantly manage to out-body-horror the Tzimisce!
My gruesomeness was so strong, the Sabbat welcomed me like a rockstar!
There hasn’t been a single kindred that Shark hasn’t crept out. So much that there are only three kinds of vampires:
1) Those afraid of Shark
2) Those underestimating Shark, thinking he is too feral to plan their murder and probably will be gobbled up
3) Those who don’t know about Shark yet

I live up my demeanour: Monster, and nature: Bon Vivant to the maximum. Even when I risk final death.

Out of character people find it funny. Members of our coterie sometimes see Shark as a special kind of autist focused on eating people. And they know that with Shark’s extreme loyalty they have to fear nothing… as long as they don’t die in his presence.

>>98071636
Hmm... maybe about trying to carve out a niche for yourself on the world?

Adjusting the gothic-punk ratio depending on whether you are trying to fight off beings worse than you to create a territory where you can be a Monster without being a monster, trying to become successful predators in a world full of competition and in which the prey can become the hunter, or want to see how the struggle for survival and control makes human-like Monsters lose their humanity and become lowercase monsters too

>>98071672
That's not off the table.

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>>98071271
The only ones I'm really familiar with is the Society of Leopold and the Imbued.

The Society of Leopold from what I remember - and honestly I may remember wrongly or am mixing things up with information I even more vaguely recall from a Dark Ages supplement - are Vatican backed vampire hunters who have faith powers. It's distinct from True Faith. Since you're familiar with Vigil they're probably like . . . Ordo Malleus? I think that's what the Tier 3 group that had religious powers was called.

There's other groups in Hunters Hunted like feds and what have you but I didn't read them because I'm not interested.

The Imbued are a group of schizos who were molested by a pair of rogue angels and given (not so) super powers. They get one called Second Sight that makes them see the splats as horrific and monstrous (i.e. as they really are, although skewed to how the angels want the Imbued to see them). Their powers are based around Zeal (active, kicking people in the face), Vision (planning, leaderships), and Mercy (suffering, power at a cost). The Mercy types have one cool subgroup, the Martyrs, who will strap a bomb vest on themselves and blow themselves up to kill the supernatural splats, while the Redeemers are cucks who think the supernatural splats deserve to be saved, and the Innocents are turbo-cucks who want to peacefully co-exist with the supernaturals.

Honestly though I just really fucking love the cover and Avengers and Waywards are cool as fuck to me.

Wendell Delburton shot Lucifer on August 5, 2003.

>Then again maybe that's just Pentex and Technocracy with the serial numbers filed off.

That was my first thought before I even finished the first sentence. Doesn't mean it's bad, though.

>>98071659
I feel like you should be able to play more than just unapologetic monsters, but that doesn't mean that unapologetic monsters can't be playable and have a lot of focus. The non-vampire equivalent of being able to be Sabbat just as much as Camarilla and all that

>>98071659
>I want to play unapologetic monsters in a setting at least loosely based on the real world.

That's what makes Waywards so appealing to me. That's their gimmick. And more than that, they want to bring the rest of the Imbued along with them on their mission of planned atrocity. Two of their powers are to the purpose of making other Imbued just as dedicated to killing the absolute fuck out of the supernaturals.

Slashers are awesome, too. I'd forgotten all about them, and I'm grateful for the reminder.

>>98071659
>I want to play unapologetic monsters in a setting at least loosely based on the real world.
Reasonable, a lot of people get sold on WoD as something like that only to find it's not very accurate, as even the monsters are sometimes apologetic.
>I want to dethrone/decenter the Big Three (Vampire, Werewolf, Mage) in favor of demons, ghosts, and mortals (and/or mortal-adjacents).
Personally, I'd say you'd still want vampires in some focus if you want the evil monster focus.
>And I want this to appeal to more people than just myself.
I'd say this is where you're going to have a bit of a roadblock. I'm not sure calling this a fan reboot is the right way of spinning it, since you're basically wanting to make a setting that fulfils what you want from an urban fantasy game. And if you free yourself of making it WoD-adjacent, you won't need to struggle with annoying atavisms like different splats in the first place.

I'm not trying to be rude, but it does confuse the hell out of me when I see people discussing this hypothetical "reboot", but aren't keeping anything other than splats being a thing, which IMO was the fatal flaw that leads to many of WoD's foundational issues.

>>98071685
>where you can be a Monster without being a monster
This works for Changeling: the Lost, but not for the reboot that I have in mind. People should become capital-M Monsters when they behave monstrously. Could there be redemption? Yes, but it may require offing yourself.

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"

>>98071629
>>98071639
I swear I've seen this exact dialogue about a dozen times before. Guess they nailed his character design.

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>>98071729
The "splats" system appeals to my autism. Forgive me.

>>98071756
>Forgive me.
Don't feel the need to apologize. I'm trying to be constructive here, even if as a project I'm not sure it's my cup of tea. As someone who doesn't really vibe with a lot of WoD, my solution was always just to cobble together the parts I did like into something coherent, rather than start from scratch.

I'm generally suggesting calling it something else as a possible way to give you more freedom and possibly attract other people who might be interested in making a setting, but whose eyes might glaze over if they see it as a WoD homebrew. I'm not against it as a thing that's been happening, it's certainly more constructive than a lot of posts.

>>98071724
>Slashers are awesome, too
I still have the Ages of Man on the brain from earlier, what do you think of the idea that the humans from the Age of Bronze were all Slashers or similar? They were not outliers, everyone was like that.

The Gold generation fought back the darkness, the Silver generation was too naive and was corrupted by all manner of cults and other manipulative monsters, so there was an overcorrection in the Bronze generation and in trying to make humans that need not fear the monsters they made humans that were monsters instead.

>Zeus the Father made a third generation of mortal men, a brazen race, sprung from ash-trees; and it was in no way equal to the silver age, but was terrible and strong. They loved the lamentable works of Ares and deeds of violence; they ate no bread, but were hard of heart like adamant, fearful men. Great was their strength and unconquerable the arms which grew from their shoulders on their strong limbs. Their armour was of bronze, and their houses of bronze, and of bronze were their implements: there was no black iron. These were destroyed by their own hands and passed to the dank house of chill Hades, and left no name: terrible though they were, black Death seized them, and they left the bright light of the sun.

>A race, the third of many-languaged men.
>Unlike the silver they: of brazen mould:
>With ashen war-spears terrible and bold:
>Their thoughts were bent on violence alone,
>The deeds of battle and the dying groan.
>Bloody their feasts, with wheaten food unblest:
>Of adamant was each unyielding breast.
>Huge, nerved with strength each hardy giant stands,
>And mocks approach with unresisted hands:
>Their mansions, implements, and armour shine
>In brass; dark iron slept within the mine.
>They by each other's hands inglorious fell,
>In freezing darkness plunged, the house of hell:
>Fierce though they were, their mortal course was run;
>Death gloomy seized, and snatch'd them from the sun.

>>98071784
Should I cross-post to the horror games general discussion?

>>98071801
Honestly? Idk. I don't really go there, but they might not like WoD being brought up, even tangentially. I'm just posing some questions, like, what actually makes this a fan reboot of WoD? It might be worth picking their brains over how they'd depict these classic monsters themselves, to get an entirely non-WoD perspective on things.

>>98071874
>what actually makes this a fan reboot of WoD
It uses most of the core monsters in a contemporary paranormal horror setting, has pretentious terminology, in-character excerpts, and the Storyteller system.

>>98071753
Disco's theming, between the portraits, accents, character designs, lingo, is immaculate yeah. Shame we'll never get a repeat since the studio fractured

>>98070915
>rapes the local fags
>spreads stds
>"price stabilité"
The hero we deserve.

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>>98071297
Its on the cover tho

>>98071659
>I want to play unapologetic monsters in a setting at least loosely based on the real world
This is how you get fucking Beast

>>98071629
>Specifically the doctors who prescribe you pills and treatments that kills your fae soul
Worse, he's a bureaucrat who is a member of the coalition and, in my personal opinion, a Union mage. This dude avoids giving you any real answers like he's using Mind on you

>>98072121
I mean... Beast: the Primordial has been one of the major inspirations for the Demon reboot.

>>98071271
Hunters Hunted are basically normies who fight whatever they encounter with what little they have. The book gives you 3 big conspiracies:
>The Arcanum - hunters in name only, mostly focused on collection occult knowledge
>Society of Leopold - Original Inquisition, operates outside of the church, True Faith and Theurgy powers with a lotof firepower, if there's a way to kill something they should know it
>SAD - FBI unit investigation supernatural crimes, few people know about their real purpose, handful of actual agents, accest to government equipment, infiltrated by pretty much everyone from the big 3
Then there's the NSA from Project Twighlight and DNA (they're kinda like Cheiron Group) from Book of the Weaver

>>98072161
>the NSA
How much did 9/11 fuck up the World of Darkness timeline?!

>>98072161
>FBI infiltrator by vampires, werewolves, and mages
The level of larp that must go on in that office must be spectacular

>>98072195
they are also the faction that uses the most psychic hedge mages and a lot of the agents know that they can't be too succesful or they will get... fired so members treat hunting like a actual gov job

so half the office can read minds and everyone is acting like they desperately don't want a promotion

>>98071297
It's from Dracula, in Van Helsing's lecture on vampire weaknesses.
>There are others, too, which I shall tell you of, lest in our seeking we may need them. The branch of wild rose on his coffin keep him that he move not from it; a sacred bullet fired into the coffin kill him so that he be true dead; and as for the stake through him, we know already of its peace; or the cut-off head that giveth rest. We have seen it with our eyes.

>>98072195
Also on the flipside there's Para-COINTELPRO, a small group of FBI agents that have somehow managed to insert themselves into vampire society by pretending to be thinblood brujah.

>>98072285
Ah, it has been a couple decades since I read Dracula.

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Picture related is from the Interview with a Vampire jumpchain. It made me wonder: is there any instance of someone being significantly remade by the embrace in WoD/CofD in such fashion? Emerging younger/older, maybe with significantly different physical characteristics (like ethnicity) or vast increase in talents/mental stats?
No Tremere alchemical potion or Vicissitude bullshit, just the power/will of the sire.

>>98072497
>No Tremere alchemical potion or Vicissitude bullshit, just the power/will of the sire.
the best you could argue is a good build exploiting the merits and flaws system might count but A is has nothing to do with the sire and B it might not even have anything to do with the embrace

and the vast majority of npcs don't even use merits at all even if they should apply so...

>>98072518
Pity, the idea has so much potential.
For example, it could be that every Hardestadt looks somewhat similar to his sire - fuck, they could even have the same Nature/Demeanor - due to the embrace. It would make it easier for one to take another's mantle and carry on. In a way, "Hardestadt" would be something more than an individual, the Elder's blood carrying some of his characteristics and imposing them upon the new vampire.
The change in race could be interesting, too.

>>98072532
what you are talking about needs heavy use of disciplines in vtm the best you get from the embrace alone is that some ventrue and malkavian bloodlines have similair clan curses between sire and childe

like the hardestadt line clan curse is implied to be based on self image, the arizona bloodline in nightroad all have something to do with needing to feed on sleeping victims. the plague bride's bloodline always have madness that makes them unwelcome, jacob and the voremans have pretty much the same maddness and one line who's name i can't remember right now is considered extra mad

>>98071659
>I've come to a general about a game to talk about creating an almost total inversion of that game with the intention of transforming it into exactly what I and only I want it to be, and I want other people in the general about the original game to like it too.
If you want to make an actual game that actually appeals to other people, learn to kill your darlings. Recognising when your ideas don't appeal to other people and mustering the courage to bin them is an important part of being a creative. Maybe focus on what parts of the World of Darkness appeal to you and a lot of other people, instead of fully committing to your own perfect vision of what the World of Darkness should be.

anyone got good background music to play while being at a fancy vampire party/meeting?

>>98072804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0yYXgnSwmE

>>98072815
this is perfect. thanks

>>98072804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjlsyYY

>>98072804
Gary seems to think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9bU12gXUyM

>>98072497
Masquerade takes everything that you could do with a vampire that's really cool and found elsewhere in vampire fiction and throws it right out the window. That or keeps it for high-gen OCs that you can never be allowed to emulate in play.

Cant stop thinking about how hot it would be to use Dominate to get a beautiful high class rich woman to become a cum dumpster for homeless men till she gets pregnant.

>>98073197
Can't stop thinking about how hot it would be to do the same to you. Especially putting up a memory block on the event that starts to loosen during the best moment of your life, shattering your happiness each time. Imagine being at your own wedding and the smile fading as for some reason you just can't stop thinking about getting all of your holes filled with crusty, unwashed dick. Your child's graduation and all that's on your mind is your nose plugged and your throat fucked til it bleeds. And you don't know why you have such a fixation, a fixation that disgusts you to the core. So you decide to get therapy, because you are at your wits end, this obsession is ruining your life. And what do you see as you enter that office but my smiling fanged face.

>>98073179
I honestly wasn't expecting rules for something like that, but I hoped maybe some masquerade fiction dealt with it.

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>>98070705
>How do you prevent banality from creeping in?
The concept of banality is very silly in the context of a world where the supernatural just exists and you can do magic.
Just build a good, non-boring life and enjoy the pool and the weather.
Not every day can be french fries and disco. Sometimes life is just a bottle of beer. Grow up, deal with it and enjoy life.

>>98071531
I think Lost is the better game. Dreaming feels incomplete to me.

>>98071732
In CtL one of the possible fail states is becoming a Gentry, wouldn't that qualify as capital M monster?

>>98065787 #
Werewolves and other furries become fey options. Fighting evil fey on one side and evil corporations on the other side. The changeling constantly pulled between two worlds.

>>98071027
You can't have Hunters and Mages in the same world without doing some bullshit like imbued. Mages are ordinary humans that can actually see the truth in the world, except those hunters over there also see supernatural stuff and don't worry about paradox at all. Either you live with bullshit imbued chosen one hunters, or you cut one of the two splats.

>>98073209
This made my morning.

>>98073355
>>98073361
>Werewolves and other furries become fey options.
There was a show called Lost Girl that was basically this. EVERYTHING was a type of fae.

>>98071417
Get rid of d10 pools. RPG players have sets of d4 through d20, or boardgame players have dozens of d6 laying around. Either switch to a d6 pool, or move off dice pools all together.

Any thoughts on D20's City Council Of Darkness? I think it's fine so far, but I do kinda wish people were more repulsed by the two gangrel.

>>98072173
Enough for NSA to be run by a technocrat plant and do wetwork like they're the CIA.

Can you make a vampire animal by draining it and giving it your blood? I would have thought the curse is human only, and you'd only get a fucked up ghoul animal.

>>98071027
Selkie are animal shifters. Should they stay a changeling option or become a werewolf option? They don't really have a monstrous form like traditional fey. They live in the ocean, which is impacted by the moon's pull. I could see them being just, like, the children of Luna and the Ocean. Trying to keep beachside towns safe from resort companies and oil platforms.

>>98073442
There's a precedent:
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Aabbt_Kindred

>>98071027
>>98071170
I was reading
>>98066832
and reflecting on how Carmilla needed to sleep in a "leaden coffin that floated in blood up to a depth of 7 inches."
I was immediately reminded of the legend of countess Bathory bathing in blood, and thought how they would be in the same clan.
This lead me to my urban fantasy game having clans based on more classical literary sources, possibly with more different weaknesses and powers, to the point a clan is a middle ground between an oWoD and a splat.
I also noted how sunlight is fatal to vampires since the Nosferatu movie, they tended to be powerless or weaker.

The bottom line is... meet your "new" clans:
Le Fanu
Stoker
Frances (Anne Rice, her father's last name was Frances which sounds cooler to me)
Nosferatu
(Jiangshi?)

>>98073488
Eh. They all need cooler names.

>>98073561
Have your changelings ever saved a human kid from a cruel and lonely life?

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>>98073580
Yes.

>>98073488
*a middle ground between an oWoD bloodline and a different creature in another splat

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Your splat has animal shifters!
Your splat has animal shifters!
Your splat has animal shifters!
Are there any OTHER animal shifters I should know about?

>>98073488
Vampire: The Literaturing
>>98073529
And different powers and weaknesses!
>>98073713
(You) get an animal shifter and
(You) get an animal shifter and
(You) get an animal shifter and...

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>>98073713
the guys who really are just humans who figured out how to be animal shifters

>>98073713
Looking at the HTP video on werewolf lore, should we also add hunters?

>>98073713
It'd be easier to name splats WITHOUT some form of animal shifting ability

>>98073931
>It'd be easier to name splats WITHOUT some form of animal shifting ability
Lets see...
>Hunter: The Reckoning
>Orpheus
...and that is it really.

>>98073209
Fuck thats hot

>no wod in the subject
Surprisingly annoying to look for
>>98072222
>>98072320
Kino, the supreme Larp

>>98074031
>Hunter: The Reckoning
I remember certain types of sorcerers having the ability to turn into animals as well though I don't think that applies to Imbued
>Orpheus
I wouldn't know

>>98073789
Stolen Moons hardly can count as "Hunters" and I quite like how Kronik looked more like he was an enlarged man wearing a rug than an actual Garou

>>98072285
Man, I hate that shitty book and I hate Dracula for financing it.
Fuck you, Tepes, I hope the Eldest will remodel you into a shoebox.

>>98074295
>I remember certain types of sorcerers having the ability to turn into animals as well though I don't think that applies to Imbued
Yeah, I'm going of "does the template have the ability to turn into an animal given the right build"

>Vampire: The Masquerade
Protean and the Liabon version cover that well
>Werewolf: The Apocalypse
Template Ability and there are powers to transform into other animals.
>Mage: The Ascension
Thats just life 3 in most paradigms.
>Wraith: The Oblivion
Moliate allows you to take the shape of an animal and Puppetry is another way to become an animal, for a time.
>Changeling: The Dreaming
They can do it but I can't be bothered to find out how.
>Kindred of the East
That's the 10k froms power and there are a couple of other powers.
>Hunter: The Reckoning
The Imbued only get powers to be annoying.
>Mummy: The Resurrection
There's a spell for that.
>Demon: The Fallen
There's a Lore for that
>Orpheus
I don't know shit about them beyond they exist and get to astral project.

>>98073343
>Dreaming feels incomplete to me.
Dreaming also has some weirdness in how it has primarily underaged characters while also pushing a lot of sexual themes.

It's basically just Otherkin fantasy as a gameline. It had limited appeal, which was probably why it's one of the most drastically changed concepts when they rebooted into nWoD and why Lost was such a far bigger hit that turned what was planned to be just a limited splat into one of the biggest in the edition.

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>>98074509
I saw that a certain type of ghosts (and orpheus dudes get their powers from ghosts a little bit) get to turn into a swarm of animals, so I guess it's just imbued

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>>98073343
>Just build a good, non-boring life and enjoy the pool and the weather
>I’m depressed
>Just stop being depressed friendo :)

What percentage of social media influencers and TikTok Onlyfansbait are actually NWO Agents?

>>98074764
>What percentage of social media influencers and TikTok Onlyfansbait are actually NWO Agents?
102%

>>98074764
Only like 1%, but the other 99% are infected by conceptually entropic memes pumped out by the 1%. The NWO are the algorithm.

>>98074764
Very few and they're not even agents, just sympathizers. Actual agents are the ones managing the algorythm and implanting subliminal messages into your average slop.

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>>98073209
God I miss DeviousUsagi too, but I think she finally died from her bugchasing. Last I heard she was confirmed positive, deactivated her Fet, and I'm not enough of a weirdo to have signed up for her private channels. Ah, the thrills of chasing homeless cock.

Wonder what Clan would've taken her. Maybe the Nosferatu like Rabbat, or pic related. Plague is a tricky character concept to play with. I once thought up a Cappadocian plague bride looking to take diseases into her in order to study and cure them, though it could've been a Lamia considering their poison bite, or a Salubri Plague doctor.

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Rabbat?so=search

>>98075115
Yes, did you expect to have an exception to that rule?

>>98073488
>lesbian clan
>bisexual clan
>homo clan
>bisexual clan again but uglier
Is this really the best literature can provide?

>>98075033
>Plague is a tricky character concept to play with.
I guess the first question to ask yourself is: what is your relationship to plague? Are you trying to spread it, understand it, weaponize it, contain it, eradicate it?

Imo clan doesnt really take a priority unless youre really trying to optimize discipline spread or really want to play up a thematic. Plague affects everyone. Rabbit didnt really choose to become a vector for The Scourge, it just sorta happened because she was reckless.

>>98074744
Yeah kinda. It's that easy.
You have very potent magic, mahic that can create things of value out of mothing. Things of value can be exchanged for money. Money can be exchanged for goods and services. A life with bases covered to the point of luxury is only as dull, boring or depressing as you make it.
Alternatively:
Just cast a spell to no longer be depressed.
If you can't, skill issue

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>>98070705
The psychic parasites are breaking containment again, send in the troops.

What can you do to improve your odds to win the willpower contest roll during diablerie? Other than lowering the other’s willpower and take into account that you already have 10 WP.

>>98075625
>What can you do to improve your odds to win the willpower contest roll during diablerie?
I'm sure you can curse their willpower with Trememe paths & rituals but I honestly can't tell you which one to use.

>>98074591
Retarded pearl clutching. Larping underage sex and predation will always be the territory of Vampire, and to argue otherwise is just massive cope.

>>98074591
Imo dreaming is just higher concept and a cast majority of people are Autumn People so it only makes sense it wasn't too much of a hit compared to lost, which is a lot more derivative of Fae pop culture between DnD-stuff and folklore

>>98075752
>Larping underage sex and predation will always be the territory of Vampire, and to argue otherwise is just massive cope.
Same with homosexuality.

>>98074613
well inqusitors too but they are just dark age htr and if you count them then demonic thralls in both devil's due and dtf also can't... but they can be sorcerers (and other splats) and get the animal transformation like that

... drones can't shapeshift for what it counts?

>>98074509
>They can do it but I can't be bothered to find out how.
I believe it's an ability that Pooka get automatically.

>>98075625
there is a dark thaum path about stealing willpower and if you already doing diablerie might as well go all in on the evil

>>98076199
>diablerie
>evil

>>98076004
>... drones can't shapeshift for what it counts?
They could reasonably use one of the fetishes that allow you to shape shift, it would just be really out of character for most of them.

>>98076004
Drones are locked into one form. They'd need to go back to the umbra for any upgrades

>>98076321
but something like spirit kinship would allow them to take the form of others using a Beast Mask or similar fetish.

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>>98075437
>what is your relationship to plague? Are you trying to spread it, understand it, weaponize it, contain it, eradicate it?
Fair enough. I suppose I am/was trying to create a character through which to understand bugchasing. I just don't get why someone would develop that fetish beyond the answer "mental illness".

In the camwhore I mentioned's case she used to refer to herself as a "Petri dish" and used to fuck the homeless and post about it like anon here >>98073197 shitposted about. I suspect sexual abuse as a child but I suppose there's no way of confirming now. Thought it would make for an interesting if tragic character. Why do people self-destruct?

>or really want to play up a thematic.
That's the idea, clan as a way to explore that. A Lamia could play up some sort of "infection as sacrament" deal or explore some weird sacred sexuality angle with their whole Lilith thing, or a Samedi could go into exploring death and rot and decay. The Salubri could be a Martyr or the Cappadocian a cold scientist. But someone who does it for, what I asume to be cope with trauma/feelings of depersonalisation/a desire for degradation/thrillseeking? Maybe that's Giovanni territory.

Or maybe I'm just overthinking some random ewhore I saw once.

>>98071027
Potential way to get inspiration for the reboot: what irl conspiracy theories can we remember? Which ones are your favorite ones, the ones that sound the most fun in a game?

Because World of Darkness is exactly the kind of setting where the crazy conspiracy theorist is right, even if probably not completely and for the wrong reasons.

Like for example, what if many politicians were truly lizard people in this setting? What would that imply for the game, would they be aliens (fey if we merge both concepts due to themes of abduction and such), would they be Mokole/Weredragons/Weredinosaurs that serve as a main antagonist of the werewolves, something else...?

>>98076372
Caitiff that uses it as the way to self-actualize into a real vampire.

>>98073488
>and reflecting on how Carmilla needed to sleep in a "leaden coffin that floated in blood up to a depth of 7 inches."
Interestingly it might not have been that she needed to sleep in blood, but that sleeping caused the blood to appear. After all, Carmilla still drank blood by biting, her victim remembers the sensation of fangs sinking into her flesh.

She needed to sleep in her grave, but the fact that her coffin was full of blood is treated as just another sing of vampirism like the supposed corpse having a heartbeat.

Which maybe could lead in interesting directions. Like what if blood doesn't immediately turn into vitae, and instead the transformation happens while the vampire sleeps and that's what all that blood was doing? Or maybe the "waking" part of "its horrible lust for living blood supplies the vigor of its waking existence" should be taken more literally. Or maybe vampires can stock up blood in their coffins for emergencies, since Carmilla still spilled a torrent of blood after being decapitated despite all the blood in her coffin.

>>98073488
Between the Nukekubi, the Penanggalan, and the Manananggal, Asian vampires might have a Discipline for detaching parts of their body

>>98075711
>>98076199
I already got a power to permanently strip willpower from my enemies. I’m looking for other advantages

>>98076489
Let see some rituals you might use.
>Armor of Diamond Serenity
Basically raises your Willpower by 2 at the cost of not allowing you to blood buff.
>Blood Mastery
It could help but well, good luck getting that blood before the diablerie.

>>98075752
Last I checked Vampire doesn't primarily set characters as underage AND have specific sexual themes rather than the usual vampiric undertones.

>>98075824
>Imo dreaming is just higher concept
It's Chuunibyou as a power set.

>>98076489
I don't know if Soul Separation (Vitreous Path 3, Auspex 4) could be used for this and whether it'd be useful, but since iirc it involved eating souls and said souls potentially getting a penalty to their next dice pool if the bite didn't outright swallow them, it might be worth giving a look in Lore of Bloodlines.

I also wonder if Ward the Soul's Sanctity (Auspex + Obfuscate and maybe Presence from Road of Sin, I think) could work for this. It's normally about countering mental influences by spending a Willpower and then rolling Willpower and your successes remove the opponent's successes, but I don't know how applicable it is for this

>>98076550
This hurts the Autumn Person

>>98075824
>and a cast majority of people are Autumn People
You don't believe in magic and farries, I know farries are real and want to destroy them. We are not the same.

>>98076372
>I suppose I am/was trying to create a character through which to understand bugchasing.
I hate that I know that term. Personally I would just assume mental illness if their obsession is just aquiring diseases. But fetishes usually stem from the taboo of the act, so aquiring and spreading diseases being a major societal ill could transmute into a major thrill. Im not enough of a degenerate to say I have a clue what goes on in some people's minds.

I did know a woman who had a major depressive episode when she found out she had herpes. After she accepted it, she took a bit of a sadistic glee in transmuting it to guys she considered "walking pieces of shit".

>>98076544
What about Revenants? That's part of Vampire.

>>98076627
>she took a bit of a sadistic glee in transmuting it to guys she considered "walking pieces of shit".
Incel losers who like rpgs?

I'll give shit-stirrer credit, this one was craftier than his usual dreck.

>>98076544
>the usual vampiric undertones.
Those are the specific sexual themes, anon.

>>98076544
>the usual vampiric undertones.
That is, the homosexual ones.

>>98076704
Drug dealers and hood niggas for the most part. I never fucked her. Apparently im a shitty person but not enough of a shitty person for her to infect. It feels like a backhanded compliment.

>>98076926
>Drug dealers and hood niggas
She was a hoe anon, you didn't miss out

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>>98076926
fuck

>>98076627
>After she accepted it, she took a bit of a sadistic glee in transmuting it
That's how Nosferatu "reproduce".

>>98076926
this is somehow setite hate

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>>98070705
By keeping the youthful soul of a child and finding places in this world that resonate with that
Basically Hal Wilkeron from Malcolm in the Middle who HAS to be some type of reality deviant be it mage or changeling in order to lower down the banality density of every place for miles otherwise.

>>98076602
technocrats to virtual adepts for some reason

>>98076537
I got koldunism, can I use those rituals? And if my willpower is already at 10 I don’t think that I can go further. Blood mastery would guarantee at least one success. Could be useful if I fail the first roll and negate the enemy’s net successes.

>>98076560
Soul Separation sounds awesome, but I don’t have any necromancy. Or auspex 4. Well, I could always keep that in mind for the future.