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Ha, I have stolen you're Butte Hold.
I painted up some Snow Ravens from Gamma Galaxy for my IlClan-era Third Star League SLDF
I quite like how my Third Star League army is coming together :)
How do you mark your objectives on the table?
>>98398487Depends on the objective. A buddy of mine prints out buildings and the like for holding bunkers/HQs, but I personally enjoy doing convoy escorts with like ammo trucks and Mobile HQs, being mostly "get from point A to B with [X]% of the convoy intact". Works great for Alpha Strike, and so far it's holding up in classic.
HONOR THE DRAGON!
Anyone got the scans of the new Core Box documents?A Vindicator is a T-34 with Chinese characteristics.
>Wargamer Stories is shutting down his channelRIP to those legendary batreps
>>98398539Literally who?
Clans would be better if their whole culture was about conquering the Inner Sphere via Wrestlemania.That is all.
>>98398544One of the better batrep channels on Youtube IMO, but I'm guessing he got ass cancer or something because he just posted the death notice for his channel on Patreon. I find myself in a spot now, because I backed his Patreon to encourage more batreps of his long campaign, but I can;t justify paying money just to keep a tier open that produces nothing.
>we did BV skill adjustments wrong this entire time>only realize after checking clanner BVs for once>before ran 4/5 IS vs "unpaid 3/4" Clan>about a 3k-ish handicap per game>even so I've only won so far>mfw
Dougram continues to be pretty good! After the desert mercenary arc it gets better and a lot more consistent.It's fun seeing the inspiration for the wolverine show up too. Also the designs for the Fang of the Sun team just get funnier as the series goes on and becomes even more grounded and 'political' and then you have these bumpkins in their farm suspenders and ripped shorts saving the day.Are there any more explicit references to Dougram in BT besides the obvious unseen designs? Like a 'Fang of the Sun' mercenary unit or something?Second question to stay more on topic: Are there any other premier energy weapon boat assault mechs besides the Night Star and Awesome? Preferably pre clan invasion.Thanks!
>>98398627>Are there any other premier energy weapon boat assault mechs besides the Night Star and Awesome? Preferably pre clan invasionCharger lol
I painted some warrior house mechs. Tbh I regret choosing this color scheme, since the metallic green is a pain in the ass. These ones got kind of screwed up in the varnishing process.
>>98398627>Are there any more explicit references to Dougram in BT besides the obvious unseen designs?No. The series wasn't available subbed back then and the kits were sold under the "Robotech" brand.
>>98398627Not sure why you think the Nightstar is an energy boat when it is a gauss carrier? Based on your recommendations I assume Clan mechs are off the table.That leaves the following available:Annihilator ANH-1EBanshee BNC-3MBattleMaster BLR-1Gb - good luck finding those outside of the 21st Centauri LancersMarauder II MAD-4ANot sure how fare you are willing to stretch this definition of energy boat as there are some like the Zeus with mostly energy weapons but aren't 100% energy boats.
>>98398666https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M0VxBU4wLo
>>98398437>>98398438I like this project. Keep us updated anon
>>98398627The Night Stalkers use Dougram's colors. Also, funnily enough, the more recent Dougram manga has a big splash page where it's doing the same pose as the Shadow Hawk from the Primitives TRO.
We've never got any info on the Belters military? They've apparently got a very good military and are causing problems for the IlKhan within the asteroid belt. Would be neat to know about 'em
>>98398764The less Battletech talks about the Belters, the better. They're nothing but Mike Miller's self insert Mary Sue faction.
>>98398782Shaddap>>98398764They've powerful militias and a good deal of aerospace assets, however most Belter colonies are self-contained and individualistic, with only a very loose ruling government that only really exists to deal with outside parties when the Belters have to talk to someone beyond the Belt.Therefore, you could easily paint your Belters up in any colours you want due to this lack of unity.
>>98398764>>98398782They're in space, so they don't matter.You can assume that every invasion happens under Safecon and the Aerospace part of the game does not exist.
The best all around generalist clan mech without entering gimmicky cheese territory is the Arcas, followed closely by the stormcrow.
>>98398797>You can assume that every invasion happens under Safecon and the Aerospace part of the game does not exist.Only if you're a retard. Like (You).
>>98398764They're housing and aiding numerous RAF Navy forces in the IlClan-era so I'd paint their forces up as a wild mix of canon RAF units to represent them sheltering the Republic troops and Navy personnel who escaped the fighting on Terra.
>>98398808>>98398792>>98398764Sudden desire to play games of Snow Ravens vs Belters...
>>98398764Why do you want to know inyalowda?
Belters .... are nothing but a wholesale ripoff from the Belters in The Expanse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgCn2FGjZGAI can't believe people actually like this cringe ass shit
>>98399050Cringestorm was never that good.
>>98399050Jason Skye mogs this shit
>>98399043I'm pretty sure they were mentioned in older stuff from before the Expanse came out, if only briefly. Actually, it might be the other way around. I heard the inspiration for the books came from some RPGs that Corey played, sort of like Lodoss War. Might have started as a MechWarrior campaign.
>>98398764Since they're planning to bring back Aerotech, I could see them getting fleshed out as a playable faction there. Time will tell, I suppose.
>>98398504What about something like king of the hill or other zone control type things? how would you mark those?
How rich are mechwarriors?
>>98399354Pretty wealthy, with obscene expenses from maintaining their Mech threatening to kick them down to homeless with one fuckup. You're not going to get much higher on the totem pole without a company or title.
>>98399354Very asset rich but not usually that wealthy themselves. Pretty much most money they would make tends to go to maintaining their equipment, sort of like your average modern day farmer.
Imagine totaling your dad's battlemech.
>>98399427Does this change after the Clan invasion where they become more like fighter pilots?
>>98399446>ywn drunk drive an Locust
>get an assault mech>put tsm in it>max the armor>energy weapons only>Melee weapon of choice>super charger also installed >jump jets>stay toasty as I chase almost everything down and beat them to death
>>98399652That's just the berserker minus the jjs
>>98399521>Neurohelmet + inebriationThat poor cockpit is going to be covered in vomit, especially if it’s your first time taking the Locust for a ride.
>>98398627I really like the way Dougram escalates as the group gets more involved with the rebellion and the rebellion itself gets more organized.
>>98399173Zone... control? Now you listen here freebirth. The only zone control I care about is the zone control done by Dallas Cowboys before a propane fueled BBQ and if you have a problem with that I'll kick your ass in trial of grievances!
>>98400119>I'llFucking larping surat.
How much more successful would Operation Revival have been if the Clans had sent a Dictionary IIC explaining, for example, what a batchall is to IS garrisons?
>>98399652>mfw not improved JJs
>>98400232I feel like it would have been less successful as more defenders would try to game it. When they don't speak jive, the clanners can default to dropping a bid down Star on their command Company and just blow stuff up until they surrender. And if they lose, they'll just come back with their next lowest bid and try again tomorrow. When they respond to the batchal, then they have to actually abide by the terms which their enemy might have rigged and probably won't abide by themselves.
Let's do a little group project, anons. The year is 3145. Access to Inner Sphere and Clan tech. Build a Catapult IIC.whytfdowenothaveaCatapultIICanyway
>>98400625>Catapult IICWhat can you even do besides slap ATMs on it?
>Playing MechWarrior 5 Clans>Flashstorm is kinda fun>I think Jonathan is hot ngl>What's this? The DCMS are making a tank?>WHOLE SHIT IT'S A FUCKING HUUUUUGE TANK!>IT'S DEPLOYING MECHS!>IT'S A BATTLETECH LAND CARRIER!!!THE IRON TALON IS KINO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember that the Atlas is the premier stealth mech of the setting.
>>98400625Already been done >>98349629
>>98400731Damn, looks like someone beat me to the only possible way to make a Catapult IIC
>>98400736What you have done is basically a Katapult CThat anon embraced the full IIC spirit by changing the weight while keeping similar capabilities.
>>98400625>>98400646Make it 75 tons, keep the 4/6/4 movement profile. Standard engine, max ferro fibrous, endo steel structure. You can fit two streak LRM 20s with 6 tons of ammo (18 shots per launcher) with CASE II in the arms, and 4 ER small lasers in the torsos. Light active probe in the CT to soak up the last half ton. 2,523 BV, this thing is just going to sling a billion 5-point hits at mechs. Would also want to see a variant that does double HAGs or something like quad ATM 9s or something goofy like that.
>>98400674Still counts as stealth if nobody lives long enough to raise an alarm.
>>98400766This anon gets the spirt of IIC design!
>>98400731This answer is wrong though. The right way is to keep it's tonnage identical, maximize weight saving tech, direct convert the SHS to DHS, and plow *all* of the tonnage available into one of the following:>As many LRM-15s as possible to make the box launchers comically large, 4x medium lasers (ish), and still only 2 tons of LRM-15 ammo>2x LRM-15, 4x cERLLs, and not a single additional heat sink.
>>98400625A R R O WRROW
>>98400764>the full IIC spirit by changing the weight while keeping similar capabilitiesOnly about half the IICs change the tonnage, and those that do tend shift the capabilities of the mech, so your point doesn't really land.>That anonYeah, a totally different person, I'm sure.
>>98400801Don't be bitter, pal. Just stfu already <3
>>98400784>to make the box launchers comically largeI like this.>4x cERLLsWhat the actual fuck?
>>98400625I wanna build a Catapult IIC that doesn't have LRMS, like the one that comes with two fuck-huge PPCs, I think the K2. ClanTech could make that sort of thing FUCK HARD and probably be a load of fun. Might do that later.
>>98400833Yeah but it's boring. Oh look, another CERPPC boat. How original.
>>98400836And another LRM boat is? The catapult isn't a very interesting mech in the first place, desu
>>98400836>Oh look, another Catapult with missiles, how original...
>>98400784If it was an older IIC, sure. But in the Ilclan, we must also consider>disregard original loadout entirely, fill all slots with plasma cannons and one or two ton of ammo>the same but with heavy medium lasers
>>98400848>>98400845There aren't that many heavy class Clan missile boats compared to CERPPC boats. More importantly, CERPPC boats make the game shit and boring, and LRM boats generally don't until they get to truly meme levels of LRM spam. It's like you don't even play the game.
I want a Yeoman IIC with partial wing and talons.
>>98400784>2x LRM-15, 4x cERLLs, and not a single additional heat sink.This is fucking amazing. Do it faggot.
>>98400784A good IIC would also consider stacking as many LRM5 launchers as comically possible because worrying about crits is for IS barbarians.
What about a Cat IIC that reduces the weight like the Shad and Griffin? Bring it down to a medium, keep roughly the same firepower but with more mobility for shoot 'n' scoot tactics. I guess it doesn't really fit with the Clans' typical way of fighting, though. Maybe it's a fire support unit for counter-insurgency ops against organized resistance on occupied worlds who've already shown no interest in the Clans' "honor" so they have no reason to hold back.
>>98400625HAGapult
I am about to play my first game in the "modern" era tonight. And I threw up a little in my mouth typing that.All I know is my opponent wants to bring some hardend armor meme mech and will probably some clan hover tank transporting battle armor.What am I in for?
>>98400873Here you go.
>>98400957Your Tian-Zong might be in trouble if they can deliver the BA to its ass. The hardened armor mech is twice as tough as it looks on paper.
>>98400957Depending on which hardened armor mech, the Blood Asp may make short work of it, and most mechs that pack on the hardened don't have room left over for much firepower.
>>98400973>BAThe Cavalry has 4 SRM 2s and an SRM 6 with 2 tons of ammo, the plan is to cook them with a ton of inferno ammo.>hardened armorThe plan is hit it with all the big gaus and 2 re-engineered large lasers that don't care till it falls over.
>fall over 3 times while trying to standI HATE GYRO CRITSI HATE GYRO CRITSI HATE GYRO CRITSI HATE GYRO CRITS
When making an attack during overrun combat, do you treat opponents as having a movement mod of 0, or carry over from the previous round? The question really is when does your movement mod reset, at the end phase or the next time a given unit moves?
>>98401031Did you buy Piloting 4?
>>98401035Black Knight was a 4/5 so the gyro pushed it up to a roll of 8. The dice fucking hate me when i need to do PSRs.
>>98400912That's called a Shadow Cat B
Turn 10 is complete. Here's your preview of what's been happening recently. As Rebecca Buck in her Crusader stands still atop an elevation hill 2 to better aim her LRMs, Igzael Antwerp-Jones attempts a charge on her from behind! If he succeeds, she'll be knocked off and take 2 levels worth of falling damage. If he fails... he sadly does not go careening off the cliff into the watery depths below, he'll just be positioned to the side of her. Less cool, but safer for him. If he succeeds in this, it would be a huge momentum shift.
>>98400144That's just how mad you made him.
>>98400971Load it with Swarm ammo. Now your filename is accurate.
>>98399427>>98399414The more I read the the fluff, the more I feel like 3025 has a really cool 80s anime vibe that got lost later on.
>>98400421Gotta give the enemy SOME kind of chance.
Is this pretty much what happened in the Late Succ War era? Or better/worse than this?
>>98401031Were you using Careful Stand?
>>98401031>The PSR modifier for standing attempts is reduced from 0 to –1.>Gyro: A hit applies a +2 PSR modifier, not +3.Thanks Xotl?
>>98400625Capapult IIC; A second line support mech.Cost: 7,962,400 C-bills Weight: 60 tons BV: 2,129Dropped by 5 tons, standard engine kept, using Streak LRM 15s to maximise the damage output and ammunition efficiency of its missiles, and its secondary lasers being a couple of improved heavy medium lasers and a micro pulse laser in order to threaten anything that gets close, be it annoying battle armours, lighter mechs or infantry. ECM helps a little. It's cheap, it's not demanding, it's durable enough.
>>98402217*Catapult fuck it whatever these mechs are fast food
>>98402223What mech is the gliz supposed to be?
>>98402371Could be a Warhammer. Maybe an Annihilator. "Officially", it's a frankenf̶u̶r̶t̶e̶r̶mech.
>>98402425Thanks a lot, now I've got Sweet Transvestite stuck in my head.
>>98402183It's fucked up how the basic rules seem to presume you only have mad pilots taking the riskiest actions and then tacops is full of "optionally, you can choose to not punch yourself to death">>98401942Happens to any collaborative writing setting. Everyone comes in with a different angle and before you know it, you have employed writers insisting a battlemech couldn't crouch.
>>98402503The basic rules are just that, basic. For most actions, the only decision to make is whether you will take the action or not. How you take the action isn't a factor, which is how they keep the complexity down so they can fit the rules in a thin spine paperback in a box set.
>>98399097>I'm pretty sure they were mentioned in older stuff from before the Expanse came out, if only brieflyEarliest mention I can find in published BT lore about Belters is from 2008, but grogs might have better resources.
How often did the Clans fought between each other after Tukayyid~before BULLDOG?
>>98403260Often and endlessly, even while Bulldog was happening
>>98402217That was my thinking. You can make a 40 tonner with all the firepower of a standard Catapult and up it's speed to 6/9.
Doobie doobie-doo...
>>98400625Instructions unclear. Accidentally made a Catapult that is also a Katapult at the same time.
>>98400625>whytfdowenothaveaCatapultIICanywayFatally preempted by the existence of Timber "Sexual Chocolate" Wolf
>>98402217ac20 proof approved!
>>98399043specifically the lameass retarded tv show. (which wipes its ass with the source materiel and goes full retard for MORE DRAMA fucktardery)
>>98403495
>>98403549the expanse tv show REALLY falls apart and dies in the fucking ass when bobby comes along. not only is tv show roberta utterly pathetic and NOT bobby at all, being like, 200 lb of muscle underweight etc. but they make TV show bobby go RETARD , when her entire fucking character in the books is that she IS NOT a 'big dumb marine' and does not fall for shit.
>>98403260Constantly. It's why buttfucking them was so easy, the moment the momentum of the invasion was halted they turned on each other. DESU clans probably could have been driven out of the IS entirely during the Wars of Reaving if the Jihad wasn't going on at the same time.
>>98403219There you go, the first Expanse novel came out in 2011.
>>98403583The show basically died once Miller never came back from his walk with his pet nuke.
I love Battletech
Battletech Lorescape tie in coming, apparently.
>>98404854this must've been that licensing thingy they were hinting at
>>98404884Yeah. I'm just relieved it's this and not an MTG crossover set, which was my worry
>>98404890My MTG-playing friends told me there's a new mech themed expansion coming out or something and I froze up in fear
>>98404801
Is 1v1 mech combat a decent way to run a short (45min-1 hour) tutorial game?I always thought you needed at least a 2v2 for a good demo but I was reading this blog post for an old event that got me questioning my assumptioncomstar dot home dot blog/2024/03/23/bad-moon-mercenaries-battletech-bootcamp/
>>98404974(In this event they ran 1v1s, 2v2s, and lance on lance. It seems they did scoring based on damage events rather than objectives)
>>984049741v1s are fine for teaching as long as you don't fight to the death. Just wait till the spiral starts and then have a pilot eject.
>>98404974I think the only real problem with 1v1s is that there's no reason for either combatant to not try to get right up the other one's ass. Which is an important part of the game, but when your target has friends behind them, you have to consider where they can get to if you go back there.
>>98405065Make it Solaris style.
>>98405073how's that?
>>98405073Speaking of, had to disappointingly dip out early of my groups Urby Derby.Right Arm of the ZANKANTOU took an AC/10, and one of the crits took out the Hand Actuator, preventing me from even Bonking in Retaliation...Honestly though, 3'x3' is a bit too big when your only converting a hex to a single inch.
>>98404974If completely 100% brand new I prefer 1v1. Gives them less to worry about and not having to manage unit tactics at all, instead focusing on movement, weapon ranges and damage types, and heat management.Also >>98405039Actually painted up a lance of four chameleons as training mechs, 2 red scheme, 2 blue scheme. Unironically a good training mech for games because it can jump (so players learn more about mobility, walking, running, and jumping) and it's kinda shit at heat management so players have to manage their heat and can't alpha strike constantly.
With all the advanced rules and shit, you still can't actually overheat and explode if you don't have ammo boxes in your mech, right? Videogames just made that up?And on that note—who actually uses those advanced heat rules? I noticed 30 doesn't mean you autoshutdown anymore
>>98405277Nothing explodes without explosive components, but you can take crits from truly excessive heat which could be engine, gyro, or cockpit hits.
>>98405296ooh didn't notice System failure meant Crits, I see
>>98405296>Nothing explodes without explosive componentsThis might be a silly question, but since Gauss Cannons explode in the same manner as ammo when shot, are they vulnerable to heat-related ammo explosion rules as well?
>>98405228Make it slower.
Why do mechs which run fast not have big muscular butts for all the myomers?
>>98405506Because robutts are funny, and BT is a serious military scifi game.
>>98405506It was discovered during development of the Mackie that muscular myomer buttcheeks case harmonic vibrations that make the mech easier to detect.
>>98405471Nope, says right in their rule entry that they don't blow from heat.
>>98398408I'm reading up Shrapnel 10 and I've gotta say, the stories themselves aren't bad but how they are written is rather... I just came off from reading Dracula, The War of the Worlds, and a bunch of Lovecraft, and the way these writers write is just kind of, devoid of creativity, it feels like.
>>98405602>Comparing famous literary works to pulp fiction about giant robotsyou might be stupid
>>98405538>It was discovered during development of the Mackie that muscular myomer buttcheeks case harmonic vibrations that make the mech easier to detect.You saying the clap of it's ass cheeks kept alerting the guards?!
>>98400957>>98400973>>98400993We ended up playing two games, the first game was shit show with the hovercraft failing a pilot check, falling 2 levels into water sinking with all hands and a madcat getting head capped by the first heavy gauss rifle. She second game went better for him, he swapped his hover tank and BA for a VTOL and VTOLs in general dominated the second game. The TZ got hevy medium lasers to the back and the star adder fell in its heavy gauss and exploded.
>>98405602Most mid tier sci fi will feel like that compared to real good literature. Not a Battletech thing, it's just that the vast majority of stuff is mediocre, and if you stick to stuff that became renowned over time, you'll get overall higher quality than average.
>>98404974Back in my day our first games were 1v1ing another noob with hunchbacks
>>98405655Sounds like you had a case of Battletech Happens.
>>98405666regular HBK-4G or others?
>>98405678Getting head capped by an AC/20 is an important learning experience
>>98405689I like it. Like Battletech Sumo fighting
My ideal teaching game for newbies us Griffin and Wolverine vs Shadow Hawk and Hunchback. It teaches the four basic battlefield roles of Sniper, Skirmisher, Brawler, and Juggernaut. It makes sure each player has at least one of each weapon type. It introduces players to the 55 ton trio and one other iconic medium. And it has the drama of heads and limbs being blasted off by the AC20.
>>98405749But is it just killing each other or do you actually give them an objective
>>98405776I tell them to control the center of the map, but in practice the game is generally decided when one mech is destroyed.
I am increasingly unsure giving newbies a SDH-2H is a good idea because it's such such a sad 'Mech. Come heat phase they notice they're at 0 heat after an alpha strike which is confusing to them. I then have to explain that it's an overcooled design which is kind of a bad thing because instead of being so cooled you could do more damage or be more protected. I can hear them in their heads going "so why'd you give me a bad mech" without actually saying it
>>98405806I often make the Shad a 3/4 while the others are 4/5s, because that introduces the concept of veteran pilots.
>>98405808I guess that's one way of doing it... I usually make the Wolverine pilot be the veteran "lance commander", seeing as the Wolverine has the command console in-lore. But that doesn't actually matter in-game unless you're playing with optional rules
>>98405806Here's what you do: put in in a scenario in space or in a volcano or something along with a bunch of undersinked ones to teach them about environmental heat.
>>98405820Now we're cooking. I do have a Lunar map from Alien Worlds I've been itching to use...
>>98405693DOSKOI!
>>98405816Yeah, the point of an intro game is to introduce players to the game and maybe setting. So when presenting them with options I'll mention that the Shadow Hawk is a bit of a Master of None with no specific role, but that it has a veteran pilot. I usually do a quick overview. "This Griffin is a mobile sniper, vulnerable at short range. The Wolverine wants to get in close and hammer the target with short range missiles and lasers. The Hunchback is slow but tough and has a devastating short range cannon">>98405820Not something I'd do until they have four or five games under their belt.
>>98405602I liked most of the Voices of the Sphere ones. I thought the writer did a good job of conveying a lot of different personalities. And that one that was a spinoff from the computer game wasn't bad, either, in terms of the writing style. Like, I'm not gonna say it's Great Literature, but it felt a lot more... I dunno, atmospheric than a lot of BattleTech stuff.
>>98405831Do you give them the regular Wolverine or the Marik Wolverine?>>98405749Do you make the Griffin/Wolverine side play without veterans? Checked BV's and with the setup you mentioned you'd have>Team SHawk Vet + Hunchie2445 BV>Team Wolverine Vet + Griffin2725 BV>Team Wolverine + Griffin Vet2780>Team Wolverine + Griffin2373Or do you just embrace the BV difference by playing the side with less BV?
>>98405869Regular Wolverine, the large laser one I leave for them to discover. I embrace the BV variation. The goal is teaching, not balance. If I'm teaching one person I take the Shadow Hawk team and run it as a 4/5. If I'm teaching two I accept that the swinginess of the game makes BV differences minor.
>>98405531wait what?>>98405538Alright, that makes sense, thanks.
>>98405880Interesting, I see. One thing I actually haven't done yet is be the "GM" removed from play. I have experience teaching two people at once but they are playing a 2v1 against me. What's it like when you're having the two newbies do the 1v1?
>>98405506Because the way myomer works was made up after the fact to explain why giant robots would be practical but the anime designs they used at the beginning had different fluff written for them originally (Macross has alien tech with limited anti-gravity, Dougram... I dunno, I think the planet Delahoya has less gravity than Earth, maybe) and the newer designs were made to be roughly consistent with the 80s mech aesthetic.
>>98405806I think it's a good tutorial mech because it has pretty much everything; AC, laser, LRM, SRM, jump; I would remove 2 heat sinks and install a MG and a flamer so you can cover everything with one mech. The tutorial itself should be focused on 'using all the basic fuctions' not deathmatch though
>>98405887Usually I'll guide them through the first turn phase by phase, then I'll just be on hand to answer questions.
>>98405944What are your tutorials like? Making them shoot targets without an opponent or something?
Can't lie, been having a ton of fun with the Griffin IIC and Conjurer (Wolverine IIC) duo on the tabletop. Fun little team to run.
>>98401031Man, I'd love that Alpine map but in paper form, looks pretty. I don't want BattleMats(TM)
After a search I found this Robomaps person that makes custom hex maps, they look coolHere's 4 of their mapsheets joined with some 3D terrain someone else did
>>98405990Has anyone scanned it? Didn't find it in the MEGA
>>98405806That's because the Shad is a bad Mech. Given them a Stormcrow B instead if you want them to actually like the game.
>>98406028Are his sheets the same size as normal mapsheets? One of my players found this guy's stuff from r*ddit and said that the sheets were 2 hexrows too narrow to be used alongside official sheets
>>98406138>That's because the Shad is a bad MechWell, most of my players are trans women, so when I explain the MOC and that the Shadow Hawk is the heaviest and best Mech the MOC has, they're happy to pilot it. It's the symbol of resistance against the heteronormative patriarchy for them, so I don't really want to replace it with something else.
Remember not to fall for weak bait.Anyway. HONOR THE DRAGON
>>98406154>Remember not to fall for weak bait.>posts weak bait
>>98406160Honoring the dragon isnt bait, I genuinely have fun pretending to be a space samurai
>>98406154>>98406164DRAGON STATUS: HONORED
What are the best dynamic duos in the game?I'm a ride or die for Panther+Jenner
>>98406154>>98406175The dragon is gay
l can take the Bad Dragon.
>>98406238Calm down Yori
>>98406188For me, it’s the Centurion and Trebuchet
>>98406238>>98406244I'd bet good money that'd apply to Victor as well.
>>98406188I've used Hammer and Anvil in low BV games to good effect.
I mostly have unc mechs in my collection, stuff from the mechwarrior gameswill the new fangled mechs in the upcoming starter box join them well?freddy kruger bot with stealth armor sounds really gimmicky compared to "guy with shoulder gun"
>>98406335They'll be fine. Guy with shoulder gun has a late timeline version that goes faster and has a better shoulder gun to stay competitive
>>98406188Longbow + Warhammer forever
So finished Dominions Divided in a hurry and idk if my reading comprehension has gone to the shitter in recent years but everyone described in the book, personality or political entity, seemed to be a Joiner save for Omega Galaxy and that Vega political party? It seems most units were barely mentioned and did nothing of note.
>>98405957https://www.reddit.com/r/battletech/comments/1gkap4l/i_wrote_an_introductory_scenario_for_battletech/something like this
What's lorescape?
>>98406549So this was the big license news they were talking about?
>>98406549Another cash grab by a criminal company who wants to trap you in a walled garden ecosystem where everything you are allowed to buy must be an """official GW product"""".CGL. Sorry. An official CGL product.And this is going to keep happening until someone kills Loren Coleman.
>>98406348is there even an ilclan shadowhawk?
>>98406188Shadow Hawk and Wolverine. Those guys are bros, like an Urbanmech and a Hornet, or a Stinger and a Wasp, or a Phoenix Hawk and a Valkyrie.
What is your favorite Bug Mech?
>>98406589Grasshopper
>>98406601Kill yourself
>>98406601I mean... you're not wrong.Personally I like me a wasp for bugs, but on table I find the Locust always works best and so many good ones.
>IRL spider kills bugs>BT spider does not kill bugswhat the hell
>>98406665The Spider does not kill bugs. It rapes the SHIT out of bugs.
>>98406665>fast enough to put two medium lasers into a bug's paper mache rear armor>doesn't kill bugs
>>98406549Stackable hexes for doing 3d boards not dissimilar to Heroscape
>>98406852They look decent but i bet they'll be way too expensive to use practically on a battletech board unless you order a big stack of them
What are your favorite BT maps?
>>98405188https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfIW3tmnFw0
>>98406951(could be based on an interesting gameplay challenge they present players, memories you have on them, or just plain aesthetics)
>>98405941Deloyer is they use mechs because Gundam had just happened and mechs were hot. And well, the creator hadn't invented VOTOMs yet, and if he had, they probably would have had something more like that because he thought mechs were maybe a bit silly for counter insurgency. Also something something X Nebula effect screwing with advanced tech combat at close range only so no artillery, orbital bombardment or planes ruining everything.Imagining the Deloyer 7 each with their own VOTOMs style heavy power armour to take on the federation instead of a single Dougram mech and some small arms could make for an interesting alternate take. Essentially everyone gets a fancy Clan tier Elemental suit with a shitload of plot armour whilst the feds play catch-up from old power armour and IS tier battle armours backing up light tanks and such.
>>98406154>>98406175Honor the Dragon!
>>98406858>>98406852I guess it's paying for convenience over say, set blocks of fdm printed layer tiles, and not dealing with 3d trees, but it's also losing some of that by amount of set-up required every time.I've seen people already bring existing sets to games and just not bother because they didn't pick map-sheets ahead of time so instead of spending all the time required to layer up and clip together the bits to match the sheet, they just got on with playing instead of 15-30 minutes just building the map out. I've got some old maps (FASA era) with so much verticality on them it'd take so many sets of this shit it'd be insane, I'd be better off vandalising the maps and turning them into solid boards with each tile cut out and stuck on top of an appropriate amount of layers of something solid to make it more readable than spending hundreds and hundreds to get the ability to stack up to +7 and higher with this.
>>98406560>And this is going to keep happening until someone kills Loren ColemanDo it for the love, Davionman
>>98407017>7+ higher heightFASA was smoking the good shit
>>98407217Heaps of cocaine off '80s con slut titties
>>98407017>>98407217hi
>>98407226
>>98407229oh hey the Battlemat(TM) corners crease to even greater heights, that's convenient
Does anyone happen to have a scan of the Battleforce Counters Pack? The newer one. Noticed one in the MEGA but I like the look of the newer more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYH7_GzP4Tg
>laser>pulse laser>X-pulse laser>VSP laser>re-engineered lasers>RISC lasershow many lasers are there?
>>98407514remember that Forrest Gump scene where the guy is talking about ways to cook shrimp? like that but with laser types https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXKSDtLFBEU
>>98407514Too damn many, just to please children that can't do without every toy imaginable and are crippled if not given a plethora of choices in a setting that was formed from a culture of making do through a tech decline. Thus, 3025 Introtech is the only true Battletech, and everything else is infantile cope. Now cue the screaming toddlers who will accuse me of being a grognard rather than take stock of their lack of self-worth and reflect on the inescapable fact that they have never truly played actual Battletech.
I like that anon chose a Summoner picture for their post glazing introtech, that's a good bit
>>98407538Little much? I was trying for max foolishness.
>>98407553made it cross over from plausible opinion of a grog to definitely taking the piss
>>98407559I'll keep it in mind for the next baitpost.
>>98406316How much better would things have turned out if he'd just taken one for the team and given his crazy sister the dick?
>>98407588Honoring the Dragon > pleasing your psycho sibling's depraved lusts
>>98407588It could have gone either way honestly. Liao did it and it did not went too well for them. Soon there might be a canopian ruling the confederation.
For anyone that is learning how to do GATOR calculations quicker and whatnot, this is a great little minigame you can play on your browser:https://gamesbyfelix.com/playeraids/battletech/gator-trainer/
>>98407619wait, trees were level 2?
>>98407640always have been, same height as a mech
>>98407514yes.
>>98406188See >>98405959
>>98406335>sounds really gimmickykys
>>98406188I've had a ton of fun with the Red Shift and Grand Crusader duo
>>98407740t. Clanbabby fag
>>98407588Imagine if Melissa survived and found out it was her daughter? Katrina would have felt the other side of her grandmothers hairbrush.
>>98407803Katherine; that bitch is unworthy of Katrina's blessed name
>>98407858True
>>98406858>>98406852These look super nice but I have found that 3D terrain works much better if you scale the hexes up so that the mechs have extra room where they don't bump into hills nearby. Look at the light woods in 0207 on that desert map; if you try to park something in those woods you have a hill on 3 sides of the hex, and if any of your mech's feet or guns are sticking out over those hex sides, you are going to have to move the hills or move the mech. Even worse if you're trying to camp *on* a hill, like on 2402, since it is very likely the back half of the mech hangs off the edge and risks falling off of the hill if you so much as nudge the table.
What mechs could the Kontio mini easily proxy as? I was thinking the Kodiak
>>98408521The fuck is a kontio?
>>98408533Kontio balls.
>>98399081Nothing against Jason Skye, but making mixtapes is pretty apples to oranges to making your own songs. there's about a handful of battletech filk songs so ill take what we can get. However this is one of the more horrendous songs from "I can fit all the words i want in bars dont worry about the rythm" stringstorm
>>98408521It's hard to say since it looks like ass so much compared to it's art. Sentry maybe?
>>98408548In the spirit of filk, if there isn't enough, we should make more. I wrote one WoB themed fill song based on a very old Star Wars song a few years ago as posted it on /tg/
>>98408533A late DA/IlClan-era Ghost Bear mech armed with claws.
>>98408604Clan melee-focused mech? I'm confused, I thought that was Haram for them
>>98408648Anything that could disadvantage clans was removed. They are now good at everything and win everything forever.Clan invasion must pay off for the fanboys.
>>98408648this ain't your daddy's clan invasion
>>98408648Zellbrigen is more or less abandoned by the Jihad and only used during internal Clan affairs. Several of them have also assimilated into the Inner Sphere and either lead or are allied with its nations, including drawing forces from Spheroid freebirths.
I have a friend who is very into the Celestial mech designs but we know basically nothing about the fluff other than they're used by religious fanatics to some guy. What would a player need to know to field those in a match? I seem to recall something about cybernetic augs or something? Do they have any special gameplay rules like old clans did?
>>98408711The Celestials all have small cockpits because they're meant to be used by elite cybernetic zealots whose implants can offset the small cockpit penalty. There are rules for cybernetic mechwarriors in Interstellar Operations: Alternate Eras, but you can also just say they've got what they need and disregard the penalty. They deploy in groups of 6 called a Level II rather than Lances or Stars. It's possible some of the regular rank and file Blakists could have a celestial or two, but a full unit of them is only going to show up with the elite, cyborg Manei Domini.
>>98408711Just say they're looted and ignore the backstory fluff, as long as you know what a VSPL is and how a Small Cockpit affects your Celestial it'll be fine.
>>98408533It's a Mobile Suit from V Gundam.
>>98407388Bumping in case someone knows where to find it
>>98408793>Just say they're looted and ignore the backstory fluffGenuinely actually fucking kys, bitchface.
>>98409180t. wobbie
>>98407592To be honest it kind of pulled results. When Victor returned to bitchslap his sister a lot of equipment he was getting happened to have instruction manuals written in hiragana.
so much for thatread: IlClan
I realised BattleTech had shite lore when I learned there's no in-canon source or reason for the Great Houses being called Great Houses besides FASA wanting them to be called Great Houses and so everyone in the setting calls them Great Houses despite there being no origin for the term Great House.
>>98409440>"Hey so what do we call these big dynastic noble families like House Davion or House Steiner that have endured for a millenium and control vast swathes of space?">"How about "The Big Houses?">"I think you're on to something, but I have a better idea."
>>98409440That's what tipped you off? Really?Not the techno-worshipping cult or the incest rape baby clans of murder-hobos? Just embrace the dumbness of BT and stfu
>>98409440>hey, what do we call these pre-eminent houses that run the main member states of our great feudal supernation?>yeah, i think boss house is good too, go with that.
>>98408648Falcons and Bears now have claws and talons. If you want to blow your mind, look up the Ryoken III Skinwalker, for extra dezgra.
>>98409440>You need an etymology and background for why important noble families are called great housesNot even defending the lore as a whole, but this is the dumbest complaint.
>>98409636>>98409476I mean, they call themselves Successor Lords, and that makes sense, they are trying to become the successor of the Star Lord, master of the lost Star League from the great gold times that definitely weren't just as corrupt and violent as now but with a nice sheen of expensive spin doctoring over the top. It makes sense is my point.So... why not Successor Houses?
>>98409400Most fictional warrior societies are retards who win because author fiat>Why are Fremen better soldiers than Saudukar? Because living in a desert is harder than living in a prison>Why are space marines recruited from shithole planets instead of having all young men educated and trained and taking the top 0.001% to be marines?>Why did you specifically have to turn preteens into Spartans? Because you need to train them like actual Spartans.However in the defense of the clans it's not like the great houses are any better>Why are you a mech warrior? Because my dad had a mech which he got from his dad which he got from his dad which he got from his dad... and he bought his after being a fairly successful businessman with niche hobbies
>>98409768It's a core part of the setting. NTA but yeah, even just something like "a media group used it once and it caught on" would fix the issue.
>>98409782Paul taught the Fremen basically self-hypnotic combat magic; which combined with already being accomplished duelists and guerillas turned effective raiders and partisans into fucking jedi.Space Marines are indoctrinated and implanted with mass produced organs and implants to make any number of them (that survive training and surgery) into superhuman demigodsSpartans also started early for similar reasons, the medical procedures were impossible to perform in adults until decades after the first Spartan IIs were made (the existence of Spartan Is demonstrate the problems posed with the technology and why the change in approach).Clanners were born into a warrior society that selected for them eugenically to fight in giant warsuits and Inner sphere nobility take up the responsibility from a young age as its expected of them in the same way princelings and squires begin training early to meet the expectations of their station.The only genuine losers that fall into cockpits are plucky novel protagonists and mercenaries, both of which learn via the 'baptism by fire' method where they learn to mechwarrior or they hose them out of the cockpit. Once that "introductory lesson" is complete there's generally time to fill in the gaps.
>>98409815It's not an issue. That's like complaining about no reason being given for why Death Worlds in 40k are called Death Worlds.
>>98409440Many Houses make up just one Successor State. The leading house of this state would be considered the most important/greatest out of all of them.
>>98409815You really need to have it spelled out for you why the five noble houses that are much more important than all the other noble houses on account of having their own little space empires are called the great houses?
>>98409828They should be called Unlife worlds because I say so
>>98409782>>98409782The Fremen and Saudukar thing has more nuance to it than you are stating. The Saudukar at the time of Paul Atreides at described in universe as a degraded force. They lived in palatial barracks and lived better than everyone short of full royalty. They had gotten used to fighting with the full authority of the Emperor behind them and functioning as a special police unit more than soldiers. It was a fairly realistic portrayal of what has happened to many elite military groups over the course of history. Look at the operational abilities of the Navy Seals now that they have had three entire generations, top to bottom, that are used to fighting enemies with nothing more advanced than man portable equipment and having constant air support. Their entire decision making process and command structure has warped.Also the Fremen are both prescient from Spice use and have an actual, living deity as their leader.
Had a funny idea for a BattleTech show recently. A big budget action series with huge, devastating, bloody battles every episode... but it's interspersed with two nerds playing on the tabletop. It'd be a neat justification for the events of the show not needing to match up with the games' overall plot line and being able to focus on the visual spectacle of the combat rather than an overarching storyline for the show itself. The battles themselves continually escalate from playing with two mechs on a paper map sheet to big combined arms affairs as the two protagonists get more into the hobby and maybe bring in more friends.
>>98409986I think that's what the call the Nurgle demon world's with all the zombies.
>>98409773Because that doesn't contrast as well with the hundreds or thousands of lesser noble houses.
>>98409773They were called great houses before there was anything for them to be a successor to.
>>98409999witnessed
Hi /btg/, haven't been able to come here for a long time. I miss drawing and with my new sketchpad and pens, behold. A mech I've had on the brain for a while. A mix between that one variant of the Locust with LRMs and the base Flea. If the name hasn't been taken yet, I'm calling it the Gnat, although I think Mayfly might work too.
>>98410482its allright, could be better, i'd like to see some rough sketches and construction and see you get goodi don't super love light harassers because i can usually take a hovercraft for that but if it was in your head you have to take it out from there and into paper so good job
>>98398408Wolf cola is an energy drink phenomenon in the republic. The 32nd century heir to Monster Energy and its still made in the fed suns.https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Wolf_ColaWhat is the 3rd star league/Ilclan going to do when they learn the inner sphere has been disrespecting their totem and using cybernetic wolf eared canopian femboys to advertise wolf energy drinks?
>>98410570I'll work on it. I'm not so used to the mechanical form, so I'll be searching online for guides on how to, so that I can better bring this to life.
>>98409400I want to point out that the nerds in Athens and Carthage lost to the martial land powers. And let us also to forget the Macedonians even if the Persians had their worst ruler ever.
>>98410482That's cool, bt art is always nice to see. I can't draw or paint minis. I prefer mayfly not that I get a vote.
>>98410698The nerds in Athens were running a very successful aggressive empire. The Peloponnesian War started as Athens and bitches vs Sparta's collection of states that weren't Athen's bitches (yet, if you had asked Athenians at the time).
>>98410698sparta was essentially a joke army before that, only capable of waging short campaigns close to home when the pelopenessian war rolled around, they had diluted their original hyper-warrior ethos and had enlarged their fleetthe final defeat of athens came from the sea and through a naval blockade that threatend to starve out the cityso the only way warriors can overcome sailors is to become part-sailor themselves
>>98410698>>98410831The spartans also beat Pyrrhus, though that's more martial v martial isn't it?As an aside the timeline of classical antiquity is wild. Learning King Tut was pre-bronze age collapse was crazy to me, but then in the classical era everything happens one right after another. The peloponnesian war happens, not that long after Philip and Alexander take the stage, then the wars of the diodachi, and then the punic wars kick off. There are centuries where nothing happens, and there are centuries where everything happens
>>98410584>cybernetic wolf eared canopian femboys to advertise wolf energy drinkswutbased if true
>>98410903That part’s a lie, probably... I need to buy the irregulars book and read its entry.But it’s a weird energy drink and Monster energy has certain associations irl so maybe wolf cola does too. That way it starts a war or something.
Every fucking time I launch into a battle with a mech I really want to use sees that mech getting blown the fuck up immediately and then I have to see myself through the rest of the game with the sensible mechs I brought to back that mech up in the first place. It feels like wanting to eat a delicious chocolate chip cookie but being forced to eat your veggies instead :(
>>98411107Why do you keep fielding kitfoxes and taking them into short range combat
>>98411598>AIsloppa
>>98411598Good old SpOoKy777.Those medium lasers are huge.
>>98410482Nice. He is cute.
>>98411107That's because you load it first into Megamek and Princess prioritizes those unless there's a strong disincentive to do so, like it has Hardened armour.
Are there any standalone books on the Dark Age/Word of Blake you can recommend?Any about the secondary clans like Ice Hellion, Fire Mandrill, Hell's Horses and stuff?
>>98412006>Are there any standalone books on the Dark Age/Word of Blake?No>Any about the secondary clans like Ice Hellion, Fire Mandrill, Hell's Horses and stuff?Who?
>>98412018:(
>>98410698Macedonians were hardly a warrior race until Alexander had led them across Asia and a huge portion of their male population had over a decade of combat experience. Really the success of Thebes and Macedon illustrate that being a warrior race is a meme. Spartans lost to Thebans using the complex tactic of put more of your dudes on one flank and Dpartans were reduced to the equivalent of an Amish village people travel to to gawk at the weirdos living there.Also Rome wasn't particularly militarized, the early republic lacked a standing army and the soldiery were all militias with the upper echelons being landowning farmers in their free time. Granted the Romans were more militarized than the Carthaginians who relied primarily on mercenaries until the Third Punic War by which time Carthage was less a country than a singular city state.Really the path of history tends to beSlightly militarized society>highly militarized>non-militarized societyDuring the Italian wars the French gendarmes kicked the shit out of Italian mercs constantly but were repeatedly assraped by Tercios who were just a professional army, not a warrior class like the French aristocracy.
>>98411793Holy shit the program works like this?? WHY
>>98411793Wait what???? Is this real? Why does it work like this?
>>98411793This doesn’t sound right at all, I played a game against Princess recently that had her targeting crippled light mechs to a fault and I always arrange from highest to lowest tonnage. She practically ignored my assault mechs because once the light got legged or knocked down the assaults would have higher TMM and she would go for the easy kill instead of taking out a higher-value mech. If she worked the way you say she should’ve been focusing my bigger units down first.
Quartermaster said we out of jenners, is a cicada enough to honor the dragon?
>>98412696Depends where you intend to land that kick?
>>98412291>>98412344>>98412594It doesn't, the AI lives focusing on whatever is easier to hit with a slight bias towards light units with low TMM. Just last night I had a game where the AI focused an immobilized Manticore instead of finishing off a crab with exposed side torsos allowing it break LoS for the rest of the battle.
>>98410584Nothing, the point of the 3rd star league is not doing anything.
>>98412783That's good to hear, it's just funny that it keeps happening though. Very very rarely do I feel like I get to use a mech I've been wanting to try out and it works. Feels like princess knows what I want and targets them first and the dice gods always roll an instant headshot for them as well. Last game I played I wanted to use a Yaegermech 5D iirc and the thing got shot in the head, didn't get it's head destroyed, but it still killed the pilot lmaoI think one of the few mechs I've tried out and it didn't go poorly for me on the first or second game has been the Lament, where it only got critically damaged but still pulled through. No shocker there though, the Lament is an absolute beast of a mech and works so amazingly well it's hard for it to struggle in almost any situation
>>98413050Have you tried playing with edge? Basically you get a reroll on your first head hit or pass through CT hit.
>>98413167No because that sounds gay. Headcaps may spoil my fun but they are still a very fun part of the game that makes it unpredictable and feel like an event every time I play
Speaking of Megamek, if anyone plays campaign do you have any tips? I finished my first contract in 3025 down a Wasp but up a Crusader and a Grasshopper and my Manticore arrived in the mail.Are vehicles worth buying? They need a lot of crew. What about VTOLs and aircraft? Should I save up for a dropship? Are infantry worth it?
What would you do if your mercs get screwed over like this? Best course of action?
>>98413452Unironically, kill your employer and plunder his holdings.
I really like the Savage Wolf :D
>>98413452(depending on the era) This is what the MRB/MRBC is for; regulating shitty employers not just shitty mercs. And also this is why your admin team is the most important hire, even beyond quality warriors and techs.Bring this to the MRBC and am fairly sure legally, our asses will be safe. They'll probably cover the mercs for any... expenses extracted in the heat of the moment. For instance taking all the salvage at the very least whilst restraining the troops from engaging in any hostile reprisal actions against the employer, for them being engaged in a duplicitous contract from an employer that essentially tricked them into working for free. The logs right there that they admitted to it that they couldn't pay. The MRBC has been dealing with shitty employers like this for a very long time and knows how to manage the fallout, turning a shitshow into a publicity win where some valiant and noble mercenaries saved the day rather than angrily started looting their defenceless contractors exactly as the bandits they were hired to protect them from would have.
>>98413538>cry to Comstar only do this if you are a fag
>>98413452Broadcast this conversation to the entire system. Pirate scouts will have a field day when they find out this government won't pay mercenaries.
>>98413452Go cry to the Sea Foxes then laugh as they have this all dealt with and swept under the rug within a month, max.
>>98413581I like this idea
>>98413452The employer couldn't afford to deal with pirates with one mech.Katie, at this point, has five, plus a wrecked but salvageable Kodiak. There's no way the city can stop her from doing whatever she wants, including >>98413538. If she were more ruthless, she'd start threatening to level city-owned buildings until they paid up.This mostly shows how unsuited Katie is to the mercenary life, which was a theme that Outfoxed picked up and explored more thoroughly.>>98413538>>98413592This story is set in the late Dark Age, so the MRBC is not around, and it's before the Foxes got into the bonding business.
>>98413452>The Fox Patrol formed through a merger. Boyfriends and debt-ridden mercenaries Evan Huxley and Arkee Colorado joined up with independent Jerangle-based MechWarrior and technician Katie Ferraro, placing her in charge of both the unit and its repairs. I hate that I had to look this up.
>>98413452This incident actually inspired the characterization for one of my mercs, who I'm writing as a foil to Katie. Her establishing character moment is when a government tries to pull this, and she orders one of her mercs to fire a PPC shot just over the palace's roof, then aim a bit down, and tells the rep to go talk to the bank, because "If they don't give you a loan to pay up, I'll come for them next."
>>98413912>This story is set in the late Dark Age, so the MRBC is not around, and it's before the Foxes got into the bonding business.Sea Fox isn't the MRBC but the MBA/Mercenary Bonding Authority. The Mercenary Review and Bonding Commission is what the Mercenary Review Board became after Comstar relinquished control over it. If it is post-Grey Monday Dark Ages, then the MRBC dissolved again in 3132 and reformed in 3133 under an extremely pro-Employer board, causing the rise of the Second Mercenary Guild in 3145 and the later Clan Sea Fox MBA.
>>98413957>Evan Huxley and Arkee ColoradoWhich one's the troon?
>>98413912The planet could bounty on her head if she starts rampaging though (after she leaves)>and they wouldn't pay when it gets delivered, but that's another story
>>98413981Their troon is Frankie, who gets hired later.>>98413976Yeah, but regardless of which bonding authority is operating, it's clear Katie's contract with this government isn't bonded. It's Katie learning a lesson about why that happens.They did turn over full salvage on a Kodiak to her in lieu of payment, but she had to sell it to keep the company afloat.
>>98414000>Their troon is Frankie, who gets hired laterIt sickens me that I feel relieved by this knowledge. It would have been easy, low-hanging fruit to pluck if one of the "boyfriends" was actually a girl that's been to the pick & pull to "become" a boy.
>>98414017Outfoxed pulls a reverse bury your gays where the straight guy in the group dies immediately after confessing his love to the straight woman.
How wealthy are rich people in Battletech? If a guy wanted to start a entirely private merc lance, company, battalion, or regiment how relatively important will he need to be?
>>98414112Essentially the equivalent of a minor noble to guarantee having any ability to get yourself off the ground.
>>98414112You need at least a decent sized corporation to produce that much money, or a noble estate with a significant amount of tax revenue.
>>98414112It really depends on when you are, and you need to have connections. The "Mechwarrior Houses" have ample connections because they're in and out of the military constantly and are guaranteed to have a strong in with the local militia (assuming they aren't bankrolling it entirely themselves in the first place). When one of their scions wants to run off to form a mercenary company, they can pull in retired military guys and existing mercenaries looking for work/someone to maintain their mech, and they know who around them might be willing to let go of some functional mechs for a price.Some random CEO with no martial connections whatsoever is going to have a harder time of it. In some eras there might be an open market where mechs are available to the highest bidder and they can get in that way, but that's dropping tens of millions of C-bill equivalent cash per unit at least and they have to try and find reliable pilots who won't just run off with the mech at the first opportunity. One C-bill is like $20 now with all the irl inflation, so even a cheap mech is pushing dozens of millions of dollars and a decent heavy is easily hundreds of millions if you had to buy it at full retail.
>>98413592>Go cry to the Sea Foxes then laugh as they have this all dealt with and swept under the rug within a month, max.Wee bitch
>>98414112Battletech's population outnumbers us by about 800:1 to 1000:1. You'd be needing to have the equivalent of Billionaires or several high end millionaires with significant liquid assets to start up even a cheap a Merc Company with 'Mechs. There's currently about 3400 billionaires IRL, so that'd be about 2.7-3.4 Million people with enough raw assets.In terms of overall importance, you're looking closer to the end of where Millionaires are at today. There's a lot of them at 60 million and they have a fair bit of weight to throw around, but they aren't too close to the highest echelons of power.
>>98414170Yeah the idea was maybe Second Succession War some CEO or company VP type has more money than sense and has a mid life crisis and decides "I always wanted to be a mech warrior leading a military unit, I should form my own band of mercs." I imagine setting it up would be the hard part, probably getting some veterans and paying them obscene salaries and offering them better mechs to help him set stuff up and find pilots, maybe have a hissy fit when the vets start getting more credit than the balding 45 year old whose a green mech pilot in an Atlas he bought from some poor sap with dozens of creditors after him and no money.Could possibly be from a mech making company to justify having easier access to the source. "Hey can I buy like 20 new mechs at three times markup because we're best buds?"
>A historian on Mech Design Theory is teaching a class.>A student pipes up and asks why certain mechs look vastly different, despite being the same Model Type or Variant. >The Teacher says that design ethics change over the centuries and certain factories can only produce what they can. >"Is that why Mechs during the Star League era look like they came out of a Draconis Combine cartoon?">"First off, it's called Anime, and second, yes.">He compares early 20th century tank design, from the 1920s to the 1950s, to an OG Unseen Shadow Hawk, vs a MWO Shadow Hawk, to a CGL Shadow Hawk, to a Project Phoenix Shadow Hawk.
Is there anything positive about the WoB (outside of meme) or are they just pure evil?
>>98414671Total clanner death is a noble goal
>>98414671They exposed Comstar's insidious nature for all to see and prevented it from going back into the shadows. They pruned a lot of complacency. They reminded everyone that mercenaries fight for the highest bidder and are not your friends.If you mean intentionally good, then no. The best of them merely helped the opposition fight the worst of them.
>>98413226Nothing? Am I not supposed to ask about that sort of stuff here?
>>98414671Desire to annihilate the Clan threat.Desire to put an end to the never ending wars of the Great Houses.Desire to return the IS to the heighths of the Star League's golden age.They would have been happy joining the 2ndSL and lining everyone up against the Clans. They were willing to compete commercially against secular ComStar. They didn't even intend for the Jihad to be what it ended up being, their operation was initially supposed to be gunboat diplomacy. But sometimes you have to nuke a village to save it from the evils of constitutional monarchism.
My force for today. Playing a game in the Dark Age.
>>98414876Map. There will be Salvage Tokens scattered around the hex fort, we're looting the aftermath of a battlefield.
>>98414872I never even thought about Bask as a blakist. What mech would he drive?
>>98414778We aren't interested in spoonfeeding. Figure it out.
>>98413986>Hey all you mercs out there! We're looking for someone to go bounty hunting! The person you'll be hunting is a mercenary that attacked us when we refused to, I mean, couldn't pay them! So, who wants to take our contract? Anyone? Gee, I wonder why nobody is taking our contract to hunt down the merc we didn't pay.
>>98413452Become bandits just this once. Duh.
>>98413452What else is there to de besides rape and pillage?
>>98413912Fox Patrol sounds like a furry hentai version of Zootopia
>>98413592>Talking with cl*nners at all
>>98414975Bask would ride around on a warship, but the Blakist Titan's hypocrisy would manifest in their use of Clan omnimechs, obviously.
The game I'm simulating for the /btg here continues on. Turn 13 has been completed and the battle has had some crazy moments. Beyond the game, I've also come up with an important piece of lore for this school, a name! After doing some basic research, I realized that answer was staring me in the face all along. So the school shall be called Kapteyn Academy!Pic is a preview of the current state of things. They're not the only ones still in the fight, but the numbers have dwindled significantly. Truthfully, I think the winning side for this battle was determined this turn, but I'll play it out until every mech is beaten, just to see about a potential comeback and to see how the individual Mechwarriors fare.
new cover looks good. Griffin rep
>>98415468>Griffin repThat's a Battlemaster
>>98415488I was merely pretending to be retarded
>>98415468damn, how tall are the spess trees
>>98412251it just comes down to raw matha really good warrior is 2x, maybe 3x, times as good as a a weekend warrior in equivalent gearbut force increases exponentially with numberdoubling your army quadruples their effective combat effectiveness, tripling it will increase it 9 timesits obvious that if a nation can increase their army size, it will drastically become more powerful than simply increasing individual soldier qualitygear can have an outsized effect, armored knights on horseback are known break formations of footmen 5 times their sizebut both gear and numbers are both tied back to a single factor: manpower and material to fund a a large army and to build things to equip themthis makes it much clearer as to why warriors dont dominate the battlespace nearly as much individual training and soldier quality becomes less and less of a factor compared to army size and overall army equipment, both of which are largely determined by how rich a nation isand the longer a war drags on, the less advantage your trained-since-birth warriors will become as the training and skill levels of both sides equalizethe weekend warriors will slowly build up a core of veterans and institutional knowledge from bitter experience, if nothing elsewhereas constant losses means that you will run out of actual warriors and replace them with shopkeepers and tailors on the other side anyways
>>98414879>>98414876Game ended up as a three way melee. Rasalhague ran off with two objectives with their Dragonfly, then it came back and beat up the Republic Vixen. Rogers Salvage Limited grabbed a wrecked Marauder and camped it with a squad of Kanazuchis, then managed a lucky kill with the Diomede against a Rasalhague Maxim. Fun game. Lotta weird units.
>>98415541Sequoia Redwoods can be up to 116 meters tall, or 19 levels in Battletech terms.
>>98415335>William still running aroundGet em Bill!
Would you say it's reasonable for knock offs to be made of common Battle Armor?
>>98415710I would think so, the inner sphere standard is itself a collection of knockoffs that officially are unrelated despite all functioning exactly the same and most of them coming out on a timescale consistent with corporate espionage and reverse engineering. Battle Armor is one of those things the IS is actually good at.
>>98415731I unsettled the gameplay and lore reasoning, but the thing that gets me about Battle Armor is the small squad sizes. I'd expect them to come in units of 8-10 like infantry squads usually are.
>>98415818You can just deploy a platoon of 12 instead of a squad of 4. They have to be broken down into smaller units due to the difficulties of transporting more than a handful of them together. They're heavy.
>>98414368>>98414170Iirc there's a story that sorta plays with this concept, where the owner of a conglomerate starts up a mercenary company that's entirely combat vehicles with plans to become as prominent as the big time mercs with mechs because he made a bet.
>>98415840Yeah. Though I end up fielding platoons of 16 so that I can have one squad per mech in a lance.
>>98415862It is weird that that isn't already a standard thing for the IS. Clans have Novas and Blakists have Choirs, but the IS doesn't have anything standard. And looking it up, some factions do actually have 16 man platoons, but the dracs have 12 and the FWL goes for 20. I guess they both have weird hiccups with their organization where the dracs firmly insisted that battle armor should only be Infantry+ and are therefore unconcerned with how they interact with mechs and the FWL only intends to have reliable access to one omnimech that isn't a good delivery vector for BA anyway.
>>98415882I remember reading somewhere that some Capellan lances fight with an attached pair of vehicles or BA teams.>>98415156If you don't know just say so. There is no need to be rude about it.
>>98415944Demi-company/reinforced lance is 6 mechsAugmented lance (the Capellan one) is 4 mechs and two tanks or two BA squadsAir Lance is 4 mechs and two ASF
>>98414603There was actually a plan to fully canonize all the different looks various mechs have had over the years as variants from competing defense contractors and factions, but in the end they decided making new art and minis with all the different designs at once would just be too complicated.
>>98416018>There was actually a plan to fully canonize all the different looks various mechs have had over the years as variants from competing defense contractors and factionsthis is, more or less, what happened with the M4 shermanthe curvier M4A1s, the boxier M4A3s, and M4A2s made by welding the cast and welded hulls together, were all in service at once because each company was limited by the number of welders or casting facilities they had on handso the pressed car company kept producing M4A1s long after every other factory switched to M4A3s because they still had large casting facilities for pumping them out
>>98416010>Demi-company/reinforced lance is 6 mechs operating a pair of 3-mech platoons to cover each other in combat would make space stalin proud
Someone explain to me what's the point of a Bearhunter over a generic HMG again?
>>98415944>If you don't know just say so. There is no need to be rude about it.Fuck you and kill yourself newfag. We're going to be rude to whomever we fucking well please, because we can and because no one can stop us. You aren't special. You're just another dumb cunt who wandered in here because a Youtube tranny told you Battletech was trending and you wanted to get on board the popular thing, or else you're a CGL plant. Well fuck you. We don't want you, and we don't want anyone else here. This is our space, and fuck you for trying to infiltrate it. This isn't the fucking official forums, and it's not R*ddit. If you think we're here to help you, you're wrong, and you should kill yourself and your family.
>>98416298ow the edge
Is this faggot for real?
>>98416303i cant imagine anyone unironically getting this mad over being called rude
>>98416276It used to have better burst fire rules vs BA back when Ghost Targets were a thing, I think.
>>98416276BA hunting
>>98416303You may want to consider that this place has a population that is so relentlessly toxic that they've driven away almost everyone who made actual content. Go back to a 2014 thread in the archive sometime. Yes, I'm almost sure that fag is a) for real, and b) Australian.
>>98415818>>98415840My understanding is that it's a 2D6 problem. Some of the probability systems used by the game would break down if there were more than six units in a BA formation.
>>98413226If you're playing advanced scouting get something like a karnov, load it with infantry squads, put scout skills (tracking, sensor ops, etc.,) and use it to scout the StratCon map
>>98416462That's why BT should move to the D&D d20 system. If it's good enough for the best RPG system in the world, it's good enough for Battletech.
>>98416514d20 is for babbys, 2d12 is where heroes come to die in glory
>>98416447It's Contrarian Anon. Who is also Nulnfag. So of course they're Australian. Even worse they are some outback sheep fucker hiding in a cave because he's scared of being batchall'd and playing real Battletech
>>98413226It really depends. In the end it's all personal preference, and partially how you've set up your game's finances.If you just want to muck about and have fun sure try anything and everything. Personally I don't like how it overfills my personnel roster, and makes spending exp more of a hassle. But in the end it's all about how you want to play. You can be as restrictive or unrestrictive as you like. I like to play within the confines of what fits within my dropship, which is limited by bays but also by space for personnel and cargo.
>>98416657The most current megamek version now has temp crew for vehicles, infantry, and large vessels that work like temp astechs as well as options that allow you to only count the commander of the unit for SPAs. In practice, however, I've found it skews injuries towards the only PC crew member so you'll have a higher unit CO turnover rate than normal
>>98415818Battle armor has platoons for larger formations and nothing stops you from stacking two lances into a hex for example. Pragmatically however it's overkill to do it that way, mechs can't carry 8 BA and it's generally overkill for the purposes you want to use battle armor for.
>>98416447>they've driven away almost everyone who made actual contentgoodthose people can fuck off to r*ddit with the rest of the tranny faggots
>>98416891Exactly. Only official Catalyst Game Labs Content TM should be played and discussed here.
I'm cooking up lances for a game between two friends. They've already tried BT at least once each, so it's not a total noob match, but they're still getting familiar with itKuritans>BL-7-KNT, 3/4>TBT-5N, 4/5>CN9-A, 4/5>JR7-D, 4/5Davions>LGB-8C, 3/4>WHM-6D, 4/5>HBK-4G, 4/5>WSP-1A, 4/5Dracs are only at a ~3% BV disadvantage and they have played more, so I don't think it's a big deal. I wanted to showcase some flavor for House units + some combos, like Trebuchet+Centurion bros and Longbow+Warhammer bros. What do you think?
>>98416342Ghost targets aren't a thing anymore?
>>98417110Admittedly I based the Drac lance around the Black Knight commander because my friend really fucked with it. Conversely, my FedSun friend really fucked with the Warhammer but only tried the stock -6R version
I played an 8v8 game last night on megamek and 4 hours went by in the blink of an eye. I didn't really mean to have such a large game but it sorta just happened while I was looking at wobby angel mechs and just adding them to my roster. I had two Devas and a Preta and they all performed pretty well. Also a Viper which is always an effective mech when I bring them out with the twin blazers. Amusingly, in the end my viper and and the better of my two Devas got headshotted and I was barely able to scrape out a victory. It's a boring mech but my best performer was the Rattlesnake II. While every other mech got exhausted or crippled, my Rattlesnake II ended the game with all of its armor intact and having been an absolute menace to the other team. I also had two fire starters that, while they did barely any damage, tanked a shit ton and managed to be a problem for most of the game. Never seen a light mech take so much abuse in the face of a late era banshee before, absolutely insane. Also had a madcat III get absolutely abused as well and at one point I was in shock it was still in the fight after having got ravaged turn after turn. Sometimes mechs you least expect become unkillable Overall fun game and I learned that VSPs are super good and reliable. I spent most of the game thinking I was gonna lose though but somehow squeezed out a victory in the end. Thank you for reading my retarded blog post
>>98416657> I like to play within the confines of what fits within my dropshipYeah that sounds like they way to go but when the game generates your starting lance you get 12 mechs and some support staff but no dropship which is why I asked about it. They cost a lot to save up for and I wanted to know of they did anything other than look cool? Will it at least save me on transport costs?>>98416487A transport VTOL is something I have my eye out for but no luck so far. To clarify you are saying to put the recon skills on the the individual soldiers in the platoon not the VTOL crew?If either of you know how hard is it to use conventional aircraft/aerospace fighters? For example if I buy a cheap mechbuster with an ok pilot will it generate value or get shot down quickly?
>>98417478>lanceI meant company
>>98417252Did you use MD pilots in the Celestials?
>>98407592>pleasing your psycho sibling's depraved lustsI'm sorry, she doesn't look Capellan enough for that.
>>98418268>capellans have a lookhonestly I'm amazed they haven't retconned overt racism in the lore like that
>>98418656Capellans getting plastic surgery to look more Han has been in the lore for decades. Xin Sheng somehow surpasses Drac weebery yet has less internal pushback.
>>98416605Except I like BT. Cuntrarian hates it.And you're lying about everything. Again.
>>98413505This is the best answer. Second best is just pulling everyone back to the dropship and having a picnic until the government comes begging for you to help them.
I want to submit a story to Shrapnel. Anyone else done that before?
>>98418675It's probably because Xin Sheng was also accompanied by generally positive reforms and an upturn in a lot of Capellans' standard of living.It's actually not too dissimilar to how Weeb culture initially became entrenched in the Combine. When the capital got moved from New Samarkand to Luthien, the building project to construct Imperial City spurred a wave of Japanophilia while also kickstarting an economic boom due to all the industries that sprang up to supply the materials and labor for the project. This reinforced the Japanophilia until it became a dominant cultural force.Further attempts to force weeb culture were more forced and done in times of economic or poltical turmoil and so were far less successful.
>>98419421No, but I've heard how it goes. Read all the rules, they're not going to make any exceptions for some random. If they want to make editorial changes, do it. Expect to be waiting more than a few months and then months further still even if they do accept your thing.
Only simulated 1 turn today so that I could actually paint some minis too. Turn 15 is completed and with it, another pilot is eliminated. Out of the original 18 units(16 + 2NPC tanks), 8 units now remain. At least 1 unit has even emptied an ammo bin! The turns are going much quicker now as well. I don't think it will take too much longer to finish. Once it's done, there's going to be some lore to advance and that comes not just in the form of rolling for better stats, but possibly better mechs as well.
