>>11263584
first for knee spikes

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I only see Shirai mentioned by Kaiyodo store's account for December release so not sure what's going on with the other December scheduled Revoltechs.

>>11263587
those knees look... not charming

Knee spikes are the shit

>>11263587
This pic got me curious to see if she came out and I ended up finding a pic of her and Misaka looking exactly the same as this pic in some kind of figure showcase or something, but posted literally last December. I genuinely want to know why figures that look complete need to be released a year later?

>>11263645
There can be few different reasons. That year old figure could not be a factory sample but a Paint Master, which today with 3D printing could be the print out painted at Kaiyodo. So it is very early model that hasn't even been tested out at the factory. They usually test a few different versions before finalizing.

Another reason is the all these new projects happening simultaneously. For a few years when AY started, there were only half dozen or so Revoltech release a year. Not so many reissues too. But now we have multiple releases per month, every month. Not all of them are released in order of announcement. Slight change in order can result in months of delay.

There can be behind the scene complications at the factory. Could be some random thing like the paint for the hair went missing and takes 3 month to get the right one, some shit like that I don't know it's an example.

Last reason I can think of is the license holder throwing the wrench in the process. Like not getting back to Kaiyodo about approval.

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>11263586
>11263644
>she really is in need of attention
sad

>>11263645
Oh and it's a year old photo... You know how long preorder starts ahead of time now? Figures are made to order these days including Revoltechs. These girls' ordering started a few months before Nov last year so that picture was probably final or near final factory product. It takes time to make a lot of action figures plus all the previous ones still being made.

>1263674
>sad loser can't even reply properly
Pitiful

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>>11263684
Ew no we had enough of those. It could've been fatter honestly.

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>11263683
>G-GIMME MAH (YOU) I DESERVE IT!!!
how about no

>>11263584
>JANUARY
>Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
do you think he will be released on time or he will be delayed like the Railgungirls?

>>11263689
Now imagine Aphrodite A with huge missiles and those thighs

>>11263695
I bet Junk comes out on time but Hayabusa is delayed. More so because they probably underestimated order numbers and not only because it's a more involved build.

>>11263695
I just want him to be available again so I can preorder him! Cancel your preorder so I can get him!

>>11263700
I actually prefer her slender. But Venus A though...

>>11263702
>More so because they probably underestimated order numbers and not only because it's a more involved build.
yeah, that's what i thought
>>11263703
>Cancel your preorder so I can get him!
Sorry, I got one for me and other for my cousin, I want a third one for custom purposes but I guess I will wait until they released him. I'm amazed HLJ even try, I usually got my stuff from them

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>Venom, Carnage, Agent Venom, now Gwenom
I know some people would want more variety but I hope they keep making Symbiotes, I would kill for good figures of black suit Spidey, Life Foundation symbiotes, Hybrid, She-Venom, Venom Earth X, Mayhem, AntiVenom, Scorn, Mania, MJ Carnage...

>>11264449
MJ Cranage would be awesome to go with Gwenom.

Are there any side-by-side pictures of the new Revoltech Ochacco with the old Figma yet?

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yamaguchi style daredevil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQpT4lEpXQM&ab_channel=B%E9%9B%B7

>>11265119
everything looks great except for the neck, looks like it needs to be set in a few more mm, its too floaty currently

>>11265119
Oh, this is from the guy who used to disassemble his AY stuff, cool.

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>>11264722

>>11265206
Damn, the face likeness kinda seems better on the Revo. That's wild.
Also not the original requester but thanks for the pic. Was trying to find one too, but didn't manage.

>>11265220
The figma for the MHA characters in general look so much worse when you compare them to their Revos. Deku and Shoto specifically are like night and day.

>>11263584
>Revo Mazinger Z
What's next, Revo Devilman?

>>11265278
getter is much more likely

>>11265278
They have Great Mazinger coming next but a Devilman would rock!!

>>11265206
Thanks for this. Interesting to see the Figma head is bigger. I own the figma and am trying to justify whether I need to replace it with the Revo. I intend to replace Deku, Bakugo and Shoto with the figuarts, so just need an Ochacco that will look good with them. At the moment I still think the figma will blend with them better. Thanks again.

>>11265206
The saggy boobs on the revo made me cancel my PO. Couldve looked past the butt if the tits were better

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>>11265410
>saggy boobs
look pretty normal to me

>>11265410
>saggy boobs
I can't tell if you are trolling or if you have porn brainrot.

>>11265420
>>11265449
They look fine in that pic, maybe it's just the posing Ive seen her in. I watched some reviews and the boobs were way lower in those videos.

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>>11265410
Her butt isn't even that bad. It's not revoltech Gwen huge, but it's a cute enough behind.

>>11265468
AWOOGA

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>>11263587
>>11263618
Yeah, those knees are killing me. That, and the obvious segmented torso. Ended up didn't PO and waiting for in-hand reviews first. If only the ass & panty string are awesome...

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Previous thread convinced me to get Yukimura Sanada and he’s great. Besides the way the legs are designed being really weird, this figure is really cool and fun to pose around. I feel like if he had upper torso articulation this would be one of my favorite figures I own and I don’t know why they didn’t just give him that seeing as Yamaguchi revoltechs usually sacrifice looks for articulation

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>>11266108
So happy for you anon, the one I really want to get is Mitsunari but I have never see him available on mandarake.
Also I hate Tokugawa but he seem fun, anyway the good thing about Yuki is that he's cheap after all this time so I may get him along another figure soon, mostly because I want those spears

>>11266108
>I don’t know why they didn’t just give him that seeing as Yamaguchi revoltechs usually sacrifice looks for articulation
Basara were early days Yamaguchi Revoltechs, and they only had one joint used for torso articulation. Size issue and all that. Until he started the loose abdomen cover method we see continued well into many AYs, there were only articulation at the diaphragm or the hips and not both. That was still superior to most action figures of the day.

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>>11265356
If you have the figma I don't see a big enough reason to update unless you particularly like her updated suit. The ankle tilt is wonky as fuck, the knees don't get particularly more range, the hips are ass, the torso range is better but the stand hole blocks what little more she gets, the shoulders are a mess and the neck tolerances are all over the place.

Pic related is the revo body with the figma head.

>>11266147
The Revo head mogs.

>>11266147
post some comparison pics

>>11266147
Thanks for this. Yeah, I'm not seeing a 10k yen amount of difference, even though I guess I could sell my figma for big bucks.
I'll reserve judgement until SHF Deku is out later this month. If the style and head scales look better with the figma then I'll stick. If it's smaller and stylized close to the revo then I may upgrade. Third option I could just wait to see if Bandai do one.

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WHAT'S THE BONUS

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>>11266312
Shouldn't the eye of the millennium puzzle face forwards, not facing the side?

>>11266331
It has a loop and it's on a chain. The loop is in the correct spot. Give it some thought as to why it might be facing the side.

That said, with an SHF coming, and on a character that doesn't really need Revoltech style articulation, I may have to opt for that. I'd like to see both in full first though.

>>11266312
Sugimoto, I guess they're switching it up? At least for the duelist. I assume we'll see Utopia and hopefully a prototype of Yugi's monster soon. I do hope it isn't DM, logical as it is. And if it is, I'd like to see the card colors just cause the SHMA is on the way.

>>11266312
>BONUS
Who cares, we need to know the monster he'll pair with.

Also I think these guys don't have store bonus but exclusive DX set that comes with a few things. The monsters get the stats sheet bonus.

>>11266312
Is this from Yamaguchi like the other Yugi and Kaiba?

>>11266388
No, Sugimoto.

when does mazinger go up?

>>11266388
Those weren't Yamaguchi either. He only sculpted Dark Magician. Like many Vulcanlogs he might've been involved for the articulation setup, but sculpting was done by others.

>>11266441
12/18

>>11266522
Oh, I thought they were from him because they have a really cool articulation and because he made a lot of cool post with them on twitter

WHERE IS LUKE AND RYU?!?!?!?

>>11266846
out of 10

>>11266846
Did you get lost?

>>11265468
Based Ochunky bunda.

>>11263584
With mecha returning (for good hopefully) I love how chaotic the lineup has become. Just like the good old days of Revoltech. Although we won't be getting obscure IPs anymore and whatever the top tier titles are. Ryu Hayabusa is the lowest they will go.

>>11265278
No. Mazinger didn't happen till now because it was too expensive. Devilman didn't happen because nobody cares, and that haven't changed. We will get more popular mechas. What Kaiyodo has been doing for statues and GK lately probably indicates what we will get. Getters, Patlabor, and of course Eva which they already announces. Maybe Grendizer to complete the Mazinger trio especially because of the new anime. But there are Bandai's Grendizers too so they might delay to not compete directly. It would be cool if we get Yamaguchi articulation Panzer World Galient stuff but that's unlikely.

My Ochaco’s mid-foot cut is stuck. Should I fix it or just leave it alone given putting her in “turned foot” poses would look awkward?
At least her shins are ball-jointed.

>>11267009
Heat up the area so the plastic wouldn't snap and carefully dislodge it.

is there a connection between max factory, medicos and revoltech? there seems to be very similar joints/articulation? and the hole in the back for a more discreet way to have a stand hold a figure. the promo pics and photography also seem to be the same for max factory and revoltech, almost like its shot by the same photography with the same background and lighting.

>>11267048
None. Well they're Japanese. Kaiyodo's Revoltech started the fundamentals and others copied it. SAS was more influenced by figma probably. Revoltech did lose their distinctiveness (ratchets, stand) later and became more like the others though.

I pre ordered Juri with the face lads
I just need my beloved cammy now

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>>11267230
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOO
(head doesn't look amazing but I'm just stoked to possibly get a good Genos figure.

>>11267230
Nice.

>>11267230
Pants should've been soft goods too

>>11267230
I find it funny that this cloth hoodie AY is coming out before the other cloth hoodie AY, Luke.

>>11267275
Fuck no top already looks bad enough.

>>11267230
Im just here waiting to observe at the delusional people who thinks this genos will be loaded like AY iron man. Lol it wont

>>11267315
We know he won't. We still wish he was, though.

Z is up. I didn't realize it has weapon holding hands. That's always appreciated when the figure doesn't come with anything to hold, just extra play value. I'm sure at one point Z held Kikaiju's or Great's sword.

Idk if I should get Gwenom or Gwen. Do they have the same butt?

>>11267414
It’s definitely for him to hold Great’s sword, pretty memorable moment from the show and sometimes gets featured in SRW games as a combo attack for the two of them. I’m honestly surprised they didn’t try to throw them in as the exclusive parts for Great, but I guess he is getting a heat sink effect too.

>>11267230
wow, that top looks terrible

>>11268025
I assume you can take it off.

>>11267230
lukebros it's so fucking over

2023 announcement 2026 release

>>11267048
>>11267074
>Is there a connection between max factory and Kaiyodo
>none
Wrong. The very first Figmas were essentially bootleg Revoltechs. The prototypes literally used Revo joints. To this day their joints are still basically exactly the same

>>11268123
proof?

>>11268123
>>11268129
Complete nonsense. The Revol style joint isn't exactly new, those Hobby Base look exactly the same, and they're functionally just two halves of a ball with pegs on both sides. The revolver style is what made those joints unique, and no one else used that. Figma joints have always been smooth, and though they function the same (as do many joints from other figure makers), their shape has always been that unique disc style with pegs on one side of the discs.

>>11268095
time traveler kun...

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>>11267738
We don't have pics of Gwenom's butt afaik, so far I don't like her knees at all, also her chest was reduced too.

As for Gwen, I like her despite the limitations in the torso movement and shoulder articulation. But if you want her for how curvy she looks I'd say go for it.

>>11268123
Revolver Joints were spherical and had ratchets, even included double jointed ones. Figma joints were smooth and mostly disc shaped. Didn't even had the small round wrist joint type until much later. Having one end as a ball peg was something Revoltechs didn't do until Revol Mini started. Other types of figma joints came along but years later.
Revoltech had that V stand. Figma had the familiar looking transparent stand with hinged arm from the start. They were probably the one that made that the goto stand.
They're both action figures with brand specific joints that cherry picked IPs and released regularly. You can't make much more connection than that. Technically Kaiyodo didn't even started that concept, Takara's Microman were doing bunch of random IPs for a few years prior but with a shared body buck system.

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>>11268095

>>11268201
That's a well done face. Between that and his soft goods he looks better done than Genos. Though I'd like to have a Genos, I don't even like this outfit, so we'll have to see how the promo pics look.

>>11268201
Never touched SF6 but just from this pic alone I fuck with this dude’s design more than Chun-Li’s and Juri’s. I’m still sad Chun-Li looks like an asian mom with gangly arms.

>>11268201
are they ok?
they're soliciting a lot as of late
guess they wanna get most of it out of the way so they can show all new shit at winter wonfes 2025

>>11268209
What's wrong with Genos' face? It looks just like him.

>>11268235
It's not a bad sculpt but his head is too big for his body.

>>11268201
>gorilla short legs long arms proportions

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>>11268240
I mean, it IS Luke.

>>11268239
Yeah, you're right. I didn't notice that. Looking at some screenshots and panels, he does have a pinhead most of the time. There are some shots where his head is more proportional, so it's not a deal-breaker for me.

>>11268201
WE FUCKING WON

>>11268240
These proportions are used on a character that actually fits it though, unlike Arkham Knight Batman.

>>11268201
B E A S T M O D E B A BY

>>11268228
Salarymen get their bonus right about now I believe, so they're more likely to preorder without hesitation.
And there might be some sort of tax benefit if they get it all done before the year ends probably.

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>>11265278
>Even if we do get another Devilman it will probably be the 70's anime one again to match the Mazinger instead of anything remotely close to the manga design for the 100th time
Devilmanfags just can't stop losing.

>>11268201
>knee spikes
I still don't get why Yamaguchi does that

>>11265119
So the Daredevil figure is trash. The whole video is a contrived DIY video about how to make the figure not trash.
This is the issue with 3D printed stuff, you might be able to create some insanely detailed figures but tolerances are shit.

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>>11268401
Big IF they do Devilman, I doubt it will be the Ame-comi superhero looking TV ver. But probably not that manga/OVA one exactly either. It will be that design basically, Yamaguchi stylization, but green skin color like we see often with modern Nagai art.

>>11268402
Looks better in neutral poses. But yeah makes no sense with what these figures are good for.

>>11268758
This is a relatively small problem. In my lifetime we've gone from hearing about 3D printing as a futuristic "someday" concept to being able to design and print fully realized toys at home in hours. Insanity. Having to fix tolerances is nothing, any customizer will be used to that. I think most people are just lazy and spoiled and expect everything to come out perfect with no work.

>>11268402
He doesn't have a good way to deal with the kneecap sculpt with the single hinged legs. When there are no kneecaps there are no spikes.
I think having the knee sculpt remain on the upper half of the legs with the thighs is the better of two poor compromises. That was the common way he broke up the two halves of legs with many revoltechs and minis. I don't recall many making a big deal about the knees then.

>>11269053
NTA but the longer my obsession with figures goes on the more I accept that the people making them can be incompetent and a bunch of fucktards when it comes to QC. It’s because of that and my love for building model kits that I’m fine with fixing a figure’s problems because at this point I usually only buy shit I’m deeply interested in and like. As much as I love and respect Yamaguchi his stuff still isn’t polished and I’m usually expecting a joint that doesn’t fully fit or is absurdly loose which sucks and are problems that shouldn’t be happening at all.

>>11269053
>>11269065
…Basically I’m saying I agree with you that people are spoiled and lazy but I’m still pissed off because figures are getting more and more expensive and I think respecting your customers with a polished product that doesn’t need to be fixed on the eventual reissue is ideal.

>>11269068
I always wonder what the ROI are for action figures.
Because let's say it costs 10$ to 3D print a top tier action figure. Cleaning and polishing will take around 1 hour meaning the cost now went up to 40$ (assuming a 30$/h wage). Add to this the painting which can be 1-2h. The end value of the figure will be somewhere between 70$-100$. This is similar to the pricing of import figures, without the packaging and shipping of course).

So if it costs 70-100$ to create a top tier perfect figure, imagine all the corners manufacturers cut in order to make a profit at the same price range.

>>11269092
This doesn't even include the time investment of designing the figure, figuring out the engineering, getting a clean print with no defects, etc. Plus a home operation will not have a lot of the benefits that a factory will, like metal paint masks, tampography machines, and the like. It's a lot of fucking work, which explains why this DD kit apparently costs about as much as a real AY figure even in an unfinished state.

Economy of scale. Anything homemade will (and should) be way more expensive than a mass produced product.

>>11269065
This is all anecdotal of course, but I own quite a few AYs and none of them have had any significant joint issues or looseness. So in my experience, they have a near-perfect track record. That's not to say they're infallible, but QC issues are a thing in every industry and product line, it's just an inevitability. Unless I see a large portion of the community bringing up the same issue (which I mostly have not) I will usually write off stuff like this as isolated incidents.

>>11269113
My Todoroki and All Might are painfully loose. And then there was the issue with Bakugou's elbow joint for the first release.

>>11269116
I didn't buy Todoroki or All Might, can't speak on them. Bakugo's elbow was a real issue, but it was so easily solved (just remove the black cover piece on the elbow joint, making the peg longer, it isn't even really visible once you put the gauntlet back on) that I forgot it was even a thing until you just brought it up.

I'm really not asking for examples though, just pointing out that QC issues happen in every line. And I'm not even talking about toys, this happens with every product in existence. As long as it does not affect a large portion of the run, these are isolated QC issues, not really something to blanket apply to the entire line. As a whole, both in my experience and what I have seen from other collectors, AY is generally pretty good with QC.

>>11269120
>but it was so easily solved (just remove the black cover piece on the elbow joint, making the peg longer, it isn't even really visible once you put the gauntlet back on)
Fair point. But in my case, it just tickles my autism because I know (and if I try to focus on it, I can see) it isn't right. Not a big deal, but it was something.
All Might is the most manageable out of him and Todoroki. Todoroki I just put in a pose and then let him sit there. Really floppy.
I have every other MHA AY but I haven't unpacked them yet because I have a huge backlog.
I do have a first release Deku and despite everyone mentioning that he's loose, I don't think mine really has a lot of issues in that sense.
And yeah, I know QC issues happen with every line, as well as wonky engineering. So long as you don't give one line shit and let another get away with it and vice versa, I don't have much to say.
I've dealt with shoddy QC from Figma, SHF and SAS too. Rather it didn't happen, especially at the current price points, but yeah... it's hardly a one line thing.

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>>11269191
Would've been cool if the jacket had been soft goods.

>>11269198
Nah actual clothing at this scale looks garbage. Capes are okay, vests are pushing it.

>>11269190
Regretted not picking up the figma. He'll look great with fimga DMG and Figuarts DM.

>>11269190
Those knees look funny.

>>11269190
Looks really good. I'm sure Bandai will show theirs at that upcoming Jump show, so it'll be good to see that one first. The price is honestly not bad at all, especially compared to the other Duelists. I'd have to think because they expect to sell a lot more of Yugi.

>>11269260
Good time to be a Yu-Gi-Oh! fan.
t. not a yugioh fan

>>11269263
Really is. Tons of monsters between 4 companies (Kaiyodo, Bandai, GSC, and Snail Shell) via model kits and figures from varying eras so there's something for all eras of YGO fans, and now duelists from two companies, with Revoltech now covering 4 eras of shows. I do hope Kaiyodo gets around to a 3rd Kaiyodo mini figure box set.

>>11269303
I just saw that the Egyptian Gods got really good model kits and I'm so tempted to try and get them. So nostalgic about those designs.

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>>11269313
https://www.kyd-store.jp/c/genre/amazing-yamaguchi_g_r/nr076

>>11269315
I’m honestly not impressed by either of these releases, maybe they’ll be better in hand, but meh. I just wish they’d show off the next MHA figure already.

>>11269313
brutal

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>>11269313
I mean it's absolutely not bad.
Much as people wanted really cool techy detailed combinations of parts to form cannons, like one of the anons pointed out, it was probably never going to happen. I feel that what he comes with is still pretty good. It sure isn't the barebones release we were dreading either.
Also I imagine the Bakugo effects will be good on this guy as well. Gladly adding him to the roster.

>>11269351
Genos having a cloth jacket was already a sign. Kaiyodo wants their figure stay within a certain price range. Cloth shit already bumps up the prices for using different materials. Add to the fact that they also got a different company to make the cloth stuff. At least his price is similar to saitama

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>>11269357
I think he's as good as he could have been without outright going mad on the combinations. Would I have still liked that? Absolutely. But it was really unlikely, so whereas that would have been an S-tier, I would still give this an A+. Not an anemic figure by any means.
Though I have to admit I'm not quite sure what to feel about the yelling face right now. Feels a bit weird. And this figure would have been a great choice for the swap-out eye gimmick, so kind of a missed opportunity there.

>>11269313
FYI the bonus part is the hair. That face is included with the AY.
>>11269351
Yeah they did just about everything else this particular body did, including the blades. Rocket punch I wasn't sure they'll do but glad they did. It's smart, besides the blades they're all done with blast effects pieces.

now that this clown's out of the way can we get the rest of lukes promo images

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>>11269313
Excuse my zoomlish, but Yamaguchi is dropping peak again.

>>11269313
>knee spikes are minimal
I'm happy.
>exclusive head
I knew it would happen so I'm only mildly annoyed.

>>11269361
>that first one
ROCKETO PAAAANCHHH

>>11269303
Yeah they didn't do a DX ver this time with a mini fig monster. They could've done one with Kuriboh again.

>>11269364
>puke

>>11269260
8000 yen for a completed action figure of a popular IP ain't bad. That's like Bandai numbers when they don't own the IP. Yugi will sell more than all other YGO Revos thus far combined probably.

I'm shocked they still haven't announced the monster(s?) for him. Maybe Jump Festa? I forget how they've been announcing them before. Last time was like in the actual Jump magazine or something.

>>11269361
Only disappointment is that they made 6 7 faces and they're just different eye position versions of the same two. Wtf happened to that eye plate gimmick?

>>11269382
People complained because they're lazy. And they lose them. Probably a pain for the factory as well packaging them correctly.

>>11269384
That's lame. :( I think it was my favorite way of doing eye directions.

>>11269381
Realistically, what could it be outside of DM? Every other protag except Yusei have gotten their 2500 ace monster. Amusingly, Yusei got his 2100 ace from Kaiyodo, while Judai got his 2100 ace from Bandai, and likewise Yusei's 2500 ace is also coming from them. If the pattern holds with Bandai making DM, maybe Kaiyodo will make a 2100 Yugi monster, which I guess leaves what, Chimera?

We also got the announcement but have yet to see Utopia. We also got the announcement for, what was his Japanese name, Hell Kaiser?

>>11269313
>>11269315
>>11269361
>>11269351
You know, I wasn't really interested at first, but especially with the exposed torso, I may be more sold. The price also isn't that bad.

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>>11269393
>yet to see Utopia.

>>11269393
Who knows. So far Bandai and Kaiyodo got a good record of not overlapping besides the titular main character of the whole freaking franchise. Impressive if it's been all down to luck. So Kaiyodo might surprise us.

I would like a Relinquished figure.

>>11269398
Oh right I'm an idiot, completely forgot about the prototype but also I was thinking colored pics for some reason.

>>11269424
Could you imagine they're actually talking? I can't imagine that Stardust Dragon would be among the first 5 releases otherwise, same as Flame Wingman among the first 3 releases.

>>11269427
Same, but that definitely won't be coming here. I could picture maybe a model kit at some point.

>>11269436
I feel like there are some characteristics between the two companies that helps in deviation. Kaiyodo is sticking to humanoids while Bandai does the big creatures with kits and MonsterArts. Flame Wingman would've been too much for a Revo for example, they might need to charge 20k and that's not a good strategy. Bandai could be working so fast they might be able to pick a big monster after seeing what duelist Revo was announced.

>>11269436
>Same, but that definitely won't be coming here. I could picture maybe a model kit at some point.
I would take one. Not like he needs to move a lot.

>>11269190
those hands are way too big

>>11269368
>>11269362

>>11269614
I went from mildly annoyed to highly irritated when I read that. I would have preferred his more animated face expressions be the exclusive parts and not felt like I was missing out if I skipped them, but that hair is almost mandatory for kinetic poses.

Genos is so lame. But I'm kind glad. No need to buy another figure.

>>11269652
>Genos is so lame
why?

GIVE ME GAROU ALREADY YOU FUCKS!!!!

>>11269521
>t.small hands

>>11269671
I only care because it brings me one step closer to Sonic and Mumen Rider. Otherwise, I really don't care about Garou. I'd rather they made Boros even if he is dead.

>>11269671
>>11269674
I'd be all in for a Boros.

>>11269674
I dont really care about boros. Glad they're making Garou tho

>>11269653
Face is pretty bland and not enough accessories. I'm not a big OPM fan anyways. The only way I was gonna buy Genos is if he came loaded with stuff like Iron Man. I don't think he's a great character and his design itself is pretty basic - but he'd have made for a fun figure with cool play patterns. Oh well. Making the dynamic hair exclusive is also a shitty move.

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Bilibili coming in clutch with pictures of the raildex girls.

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>>11269819
I can only get one of them right now and I was dead set on Kuroko, but Misaka is slowly winning me over.

>>11269672
theyre as long as his forearm lmao

>>11269825
>t.tiny hands
I bet girls laugh when they see you baby hands

>>11269819
>>11269821
Is this worth watching?

>>11269761
>loaded with stuff like Iron Man
Well they specifically picked the version that didn't do that so that was them telling us they weren't doing the AY IM/WM thing. Also when the media source is not as loose like Marvel/DC they don't go all crazy making up parts for the Revos. The most we could get was the double arm cannon as one solid interchangeable piece but even that looks expensive to pull off. 90% of the times he shoots beams out of his palms so I think this was where any Genos action figure will settle without bumping up in grade.

>>11269674
One time villains are tricky, the whole gag is they all die in one punch. Even Garou they build him up for volumes and volumes but in the end if it hasn't happened yet, Saitama will just one punch him (again). But Garou at least is used as an antihero type for a good portion of the story so far.
The next three if they plan in threes will likely be Silver Fang, Metal Bat, and either Sonic or Tatsumaki. Sonic I'm not sure maybe that's too many ninjas in a short amount of time. Flash might be more visually interesting. Mumen Rider I can't tell if AY will cover him because of the bike. It will automatically jack up the price of an already nicher character. Even if they do the figma thing and make that a kit, Kaiyodo's kits are pretty pricey I'm not sure it will make much difference.
>>11269674
>>11269690
Also I can see Drive Knight happening over Boros. Their designs are similar but one is a hero with more interesting gimmicks for a toy.

>>11269829
Don't know about the anime but for manga I think it's okay. Typical light novel stuff before the craze of Narou originated Isekai stories flooding the market. I know Railgun isn't light novel but a spinoff of one. But I like it way more than the main Index series.
If you like shonen manga about kids with powers going to school you'll probably like it. I think it follows that formula in a good way but with girls instead.

>>11269828
im laughing at this figure rite now haha

>>11269829
Haven’t watched the anime or read the manga, but If you have the patience and autism it’s worth reading the light novels. It’s one of those stories where the writer uses autistically thought out powers for fun fights, kinda like JoJo.

>>11269857
Yes and no. The core is battle manga with dark and fucked up backstories.

>>11269857
>It's retarded Moe shit for waifu fags
It’s this but also a bunch of different things. It’s Kamachi throwing in every possible shit he’s interested in. He’s into cute girls, but he’s also into weirder obscure shit he probably found through hours and hours of wikipedia surfing, especially for all the science related powers. It’s a really fun series.

>>11269922
>it's no different than fate stay night
Another great series with autistic world-building, you’re exactly right.

>>11269918
That's not at all what I said
Dark doesn't mean deep, it can be as stupid as anything. I'm saying moe waifu isn't accurate to the genre it actually is. That's more slice of life type and Toaru series aren't that. I said yes because there are bunch of girls in it and that's no secret.

>>11269922
It's that same era and style you're not wrong. Although one was a hentai game and the other light novel series first. You are complaining on a surface level. They both branched out into so many different projects for a reason besides "hey cute anime girls".

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Has anyone else kinda checked out of the Revoltech line lately?

>Too many nice exclusive bonuses that shouldn't be exclusive
>Too many "thanks for beta testing our first release, we fixed it in the re-issue"
>Too many latefags being rewarded with improved re-issues that come with extra parts
>Too much QC roulette with paint or joint tolerance issues
>Too many price hikes to the point where this is now the most expensive line among Figma, SHF and Mafex brands.

This used to be my favourite brand, probably still is among *Japanese* import toylines, but I've been ordering way less of them recently. I want to get NG Ryu, but I don't even trust them not to do a 1.5 version a year or two later with more NG2 weapons included. At the very least there's no harm in waiting for the re-issues to fix any "beta" problems that the first issue might have.

Hate that I feel this way now.

>>11269963
No, but I am getting a little annoyed about the bonus parts and that we seem to get fewer accessories as time goes on.

>>11269968
You've never been burned on other things? My first issue deku had annoying loose joints and that was fixed in subsequent re-issues, Bakugo had short arm-pegs for the grenades hands(fixed in later issues to have longer arm-pegs). Deadpool first issue had back sheaths that didn't fit into eachother properly, Initial releases of IronMan and Blue/Red Harley with the bleeding paint that got fixed with re-issues... honestly the list goes on and on.

The bonus-head bullshit was obnoxious right from day one.

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>>11269521
Yeah that was the thing I noticed right away.

>>11269963
>lately?
A lot of those aren't new problems. They were cheap enough people didn't care or I guess complaining it on the internet wasn't as big of a thing as now.
There were some exclusive figures before all this. The whole figures. Ones you can only get through mail order by buying a magazine. That's worse. They weren't just repaints either.
QC being shit on first release was way more common. And there were less chances of a reissue. For like a year or 2 there was a period when the 6mm joints were unusable. Transforming VF-1 and a lot of the initial QB Revos suffered because they used mainly 6mm joints. Some QB got reissued but not all. Paint issues were common, fading, stickiness,just about anything that could go wrong went wrong.
Price increase is part of the trade. Revo started off 2000 JPY but went to like 5000 plus in 8 years without much changes to the engineering and quality. Hell some AY and Revos today are cheaper than Vulcanlogs were.
About a better version possible coming out later, well you either learn to live with it or don't. Kaiyodo was NEVER a company that delivered perfect QC action figures. Big difference now is they have more opportunity to reissue so I think hoping they would always get it right the first time is asking too much. It's not in their nature.
Considering Kaiyodo got bought out by a cold calculating boards of banks they're doing okay.

>>11269966
>I'm the expert because I only read comments about it
Think again about what I mean by surface level.

>>11269963
>Too many price hikes to the point where this is now the most expensive line among Figma, SHF and Mafex brands.
buzzmod and bring arts would like to introduce themselves

>>11269977
>You've never been burned on other things?
Oh yeah, but I get burned by all lines. I am the person with the really loose Todoroki and All Might. I also can't fully judge cause I have pretty much the entire MHA line so far, but over half of them are still in boxes. I could have a lot more duds than I currently know of.
I dunno, so long as they have picks I can't get anywhere else and they come with actual accessories still, I feel tempted to pick them up.

>>11269991
>exclusive figures
Can't remember any that I cared about besides the black/gold Iron-spider. I suspect they must have been pretty niche-interest like QB was in general. Separating a really desirable head for store exclusive on a mainstream appeal figure(like OPM) is way more noticeable because way more people are gonna care.

As far as the "beta" issues, I've been with AY since the very beginning and I don't remember any of the early figures having this problem up until Ironman and EVERYONE noticed that. It's a problem that has gotten WORSE as the line went on for sure. Sloppy development to due with a faster pace of production? I don't know. And yeah it hurts alot worse to re-buy a "fixed" figure now when they are averaging 12-13k yen.

>>11270000
Niche brands, didn't include them because they aren't "mainstream" imports.

>>11270006
I don't know what you think are getting worse than Iron Man. That was a rare overall bad production for the AY series. Nothing screams worse than that. Maybe Spidey 2.0's knee detachment? I think AY have gotten much better from a quality point of view.

I'm talking Revoltechs series in general. 2006 onward. Black Iron Spider and Superman were like remnants of what they used to do. But there were a few new sculpts Revos that were magazine order only. It would be something like Ryu Hayabusa being a Kaiyodo store only figure but Ayane is regular. A real P-Bandai move. They do way worse IMO. Not even current Rider forms are regular release after the base form.

>>11270017
I'm not saying that they've done worse than an entire figure's paint melting off since that's happened, just that stupid shit seems to slip through the cracks more frequently.

Like how do you design that Bakugo figure with arm-pegs that are too fucking short to actually be functional? That's just sloppy work that shouldn't need a re-issue to fix. Harley's cracking diaper paint, etc. Production-wide issues(not individual qc variance) that just slip through the cracks when they should be caught. It's unacceptably common in this line now and it's basically discouraged me from buying first-releases anymore.

I only really picked up the AY brand and some Revo-geos/movie revos so I can't speak to the Revoltech brand in the early 2000s. Like I said I've reached my limit of tolerance for the way they are operating now as opposed to how they were 5 years ago.

>>11270027
>that just slip through the cracks when they should be caught.
Sure, but again they seem rare to me for the AY line. You want 100% I get it. I'm just saying Kaiyodo isn't that kind of company. They never were. Not sure why, probably because they like to cut corners. In my headcanon it's like they don't talk with the factory at all, they do random shit and Kaiyodo just accepts it. Doubt that's actually true but sometimes seem to be the only explanation.

A lot of the issues went away at least regarding the joints because Revolver Joints worked well (except 6mm for a time). But AY started testing out new joints and I'd say that resulted to more problems than just using old Revolver Joints.

As for paints, I think it's unavoidable, when it happens it happens. Because by the time you see the problem you can't go back. But there's maybe 4 bad instances for AY where the paint itself was bad. That's vast improvement compared to old Revoltechs.

>>11269963
>>Too many price hikes to the point where this is now the most expensive line among Figma, SHF and Mafex brands.
Figma stll more expensive because most of their figures are barebones.
>>11270006
>Separating a really desirable head for store exclusive on a mainstream appeal figure(like OPM)
For the billionth time, that head doesn't fit with the feefy body, picrel looks bad. Now if the bonus were fists, would be a really fucked move.

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>>11270067
and I forgot the pic as the retard I am

>>11270067
>Figma stll more expensive because most of their figures are barebones.
This. Last figure I bought was 11k yen and all it came with was...a katana.

>>11270069
While it's not ideal I think the head still works.
Reality is that he should've come with an alt torso or something.

>>11270067
>>11270069
>UHM ACKHSULLY the head doesn't fit the body anyway!!!
Yeah, that's a nice subjective opinion and all, but having the "casual" head is 100% better than not having it, regardless of the body.

Are you gonna tell me the Venom bonus head that came with Agent Venom wasn't a giant fuck you to consumers either?

>>11270081
NTA but I think both are fine examples of bonus pieces I'm fine without. Comical head on serious body is weird, I don't picture a mouth on Agent Venom because I only see him with the default mask. Nothing comes to mind that had been "crucial".

People buying these overseas is a small group already, how many actually give a shit about an extra head, it's not a major issue. It doesn't affect Japanese buyers after all, it's not going to stop. Bringing it up constantly is more annoying than the actual practice.

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>>11270081
If you care about the IPs, you would want something more accurate. About it, if you were a fan of OPM you will notice the "casual head" got that stupid smile, in the manga is more likely to see Saitama with closed mouth and every fucking figure get it wrong.
>Are you gonna tell me the Venom bonus head that came with Agent Venom wasn't a giant fuck you to consumers either?
I don't read comics so I don't know.

Genos' bonus hair for example. You see posts like how dare they not include that for such a dynamic character and what not. But how often de we see action hair parts included with an action figure? Most characters unless some schoolgirl not fighting demons on the side or something should get an action state hair too. Goku does sometimes? Aizawa got it that's all I can think of in AY, the most dynamic of all action figure line. But once Kaiyodo puts it into the bonus bag now anons make a big deal out of it. It's just perception none of you really give a damn. Yes it would be nice to have an extra part for the same price but that only happens if you move to Japan. So stop pretending you actually care.

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>>11270094
>People buying these overseas is a small group already, how many actually give a shit about an extra head, it's not a major issue.

Lmao the secondary market on the Venom head went fucking CRAZY. People were buying them for $100+ for weeks and months after release. So many people wanted it that numerous third-parties started selling their own version of it, and a ton of people bought the bootleg when it came out JUST for the extra head.

Lots of people give a shit. It was mentioned in every single english youtube review of Agent Venom that I've seen. You are so-off base it's hilarious.

>>11270094
I love how you guys will just argue to get less.

>>11270118
>idiots wasting money, youtubers = big group of people

You think I'm off-base...

As for bootlegs I honestly don't know the numbers there. Just from what it is I would think they're not producing in the 1000's and 10,000's that the actual real products are making. And then you wouldn't know how many of those aren't Japanese buyers who missed out on the release. Don't know if it's big enough to matter but mattered enough to put out a warning post about them. That's probably more about getting tricked on Amazon Marketplace.

I assumed bootlegs were not a significant portion just because the capability of the production must have certain limits. I could be off and it's different now.

But from your overall attitude I think what you think is big numbers is actually insignificant to the grand totals.

>>11270102
>But once Kaiyodo puts it into the bonus bag now anons make a big deal out of it. It's just perception none of you really give a damn. Yes it would be nice to have an extra part for the same price but that only happens if you move to Japan. So stop pretending you actually care.
well we are on 4chan, it's pretty likely most of these are trolls

So why do you dumb-dumbs think these bonuses are limited? It sure as shit isn't because it's so much harder or costly to produce an extra piece that has already been sculpted. It's solely to drive people towards the Kaiyodo store directly. It's greed, and you guys making excuses for it are honestly kinda sad.
>B-bb-but you wouldn't have cared if it wasn't there at all
Yeah because I'm not exactly a wizard who knows what was originally planned to come with a figure only for it to be scrapped for the production version. If something is already made, like windswept hair, or a head, or something, then yeah no shit people will make more noise about it than if they didn't even knew it ever existed to begin. Wtf is this kind of lobotomite logic?

>>11270136
The extra money they make selling directly from stores will end up in making more revoltechs from better IPs. I take that over getting a silly face plate or background sheet now and then quickening the end of revoltechs that sooner. There's no reason to cater to a small minority group that suffers from the bonus part when it ca kill the line faster.

>>11270146
>The extra money they make selling directly from stores will end up in making more revoltechs from better IPs.
Yeah, sure, lol.

The small indie toy producing company doesn't need you guys running defense for their greedy practices.

>>11270137
Ok corpo-simp retard, you are obviously gonna white-knight for Kaiyodo no-matter what they section off as Store-exclusives.

>>11270144
>drive people towards the Kaiyodo store directly. It's greed,
>>11270152
YEAH NO SHIT. But hey why not lose money and stop making toys? Then we will all be happ..oh wait.

In Japan there's very little difference where you order from. Most don't get discounts anymore. And it's funny hearing about how greedy Kaiyodo is being. When for 3 years in a row they were heavily in the losses. And barely positive the last term. So they're struggling even with this tactic but you all want them to stop, include more for cheaper price and make the niche IP that only I want.
Like how do you think we have so many IPs now when for years they only did Marvel DC MHA and Eva? You really can't have one but not the other.

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you knoe what a giant fuck you to consumers is? also...
>so you're a fan of Monogatari series, specially cute loli vampire? great get the new Figma of her with just a sword, a hat and 2 faceplates! what? do you want more faceplates? that's okay, just buy the two FigFix for more expressions! a big deal isn't it?

>>11270160
>YEAH NO SHIT. But hey why not lose money and stop making toys?
yeah, that's the only alternative
to go bankrupt if you don't sell greedy bonus parts in your online shop
surely it is dire and the entire company is a charity that asks for a small pittance by having us pay the extra fee for the shop exclusives to just barely stay afloat and keep gracing our collections with their divine releases

>>11270156
It's really this or the whole Revoltech line dies for good.
>>11270163
Company will be fine, they will just kill Revoltechs because actin figures have high costs poor returns. Again most folks are not paying any extra. Kaiyodo id nothing like GSC or MF btw they make insane amount of money that Kaiyodo wishes made even 10% of.

>>11270161
At least Figma collectors can ACCEPT that this shit is greedy.
People here lose their shit if you dare to imply that we shouldn't all do our part because poor Kaiyodo would go bankrupt without these shady practices and we owe them our unfettered support for their years of loyal, selfless service to us.

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>>11270140
>it's pretty likely most of these are trolls
yeah and he isn't hidding it anymore now that he's spamming his shitty catchphrases to get (You)s with shit like calling us "corpo-simps", did you noticed he never post toys? sadly people will feed him anyway.

If you guys don't really know about this, GSC sales number for 2023 was 61 billion yen. Kaiyodo lost over 200 million yen 3 years in a row. Last year was profit of 18million yen. Comparing them like they're anything close is pure madness.

>>11270180
we don't want your sob stories, we want you to stop being greedy, mr kaiyodo

>>11270171
>boogerman troll
There's more than 1 poster who freqs this general that who have a bone to pick with Kaiyodo business practices. I'm >>11269963 and if you think that those critiques were "trolling" you really are a corpo simp. The other guy calling them "greedy" isn't me but I don't necessarily disagree.

The least they could fucking do is make some kind of consideration for overseas customers and sell internationally from their own webstore.

>>11269857
Jojo is an asspull bara shit for actual fags

>>11270185
We dont want to hear your broke ass stories. We want you to understand Mr NPC-kun

If there could be a official site to tell Kaiyodo about all those complaints...
>https://x.com/kaiyodo_PR
Hey, but it's better to spam it here, pretty sure one day they will listen to us :)

>>11270208
>noooo don't discuss negative aspects of the company here! I can't bear to look at it!
Lol, do you want a brain-dead hugbox? Every /toy/ general bitches about their brand from time to time.

>>11270208
None of them actually care enough. And Kaiyodo will never listen to a small gaijin group even if they hand deliver a letter.

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>11270215
how about posting your toys? you know this is an IMAGE board ;)

>>11270215
It's weird how there's a literal defense force for Kaiyodo here. It's okay to have critique.

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>>11270223
Mmkay, here's a small slice of my collection. What difference does it make?

>>11270239
nice photo, which mfc account did you steal it from?

>>11270239
>What difference does it make?
Nothing I guess, now let's keep complaining about everything cause that really makes a difference

>>11270233
I'm critiquing the broke ass NPC niggas

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>>11270242
>>11270254
>If you criticize something you must be too poor to have it!!!
Dumbest, most low-IQ argument you could possibly muster.

>>11270257
It's honestly kind of embarrassing that valid critique aimed at Kaiyodo ITT just leads to this behavior.

>>11270258
Send your valid critique here: https://x.com/kaiyodo_PR
:)

>>11270257
stable diffusion prompts?

>>11270257
How well does Arkham knight hold his blades?
Asking because I think he comes with similar hands as deathstroke, which can barely hold his blades.

>>11270239
>>11270257
put me in the screencal of slt's melty

>>11270259
Or you can deal with the fact that this thread isn't your hugbox. It's okay to let people be critical about the line. You won't wither.

>>11270268
Pretty well If I recall, gonna take me a minute to huntdown his box and accessories, but I'll post a pic.

>>11270257
>figures displayed in basic ass neutral stand, even the AY ones
>poselet-ness is showing through that venom snake "crouch"
abhorrent display faggot. Just stick to crying about kaiyodo since you're good at it.

>>11270276
You are just being spiteful because he's right.

>>11270280
>because he's right
you're not foing anyone samefag

>>11270272
And you can deal with the kaiyodo doing exclusives. :)

>>11270276
>uhm.... W-well your picture isn't artful!!!!!
Kek knew this goalpost shift was coming. Salty faggots on this board follow the same flow-chart when losing.

>>11270285
Yes, and I will continue to criticize them for it because it's greedy.

>>11270268
That problem is more to do with the weapons not the hands. Deathstroke's weapons are all over the place in width. Now that AK comes with guns too we just need to wait how they fit honestly. Hands are easy to adjust by heat though.

>>11270289
Sure, and kaiyodo is going to continue with exclusives because it's profitable and keeps them afloat.

>>11270307
Cool. And they'll continue to rack up a bigger reputation as being grubby.

>>11270312
And you'll still be buying their shit when they make a marvel/DC or go nagai characters you wanted.

>>11270314
So long as it's still worth it.
Which it's increasingly starting to not be.

>>11270170
I wouldn't even give a fuck if Kaiyodo gave my gaijin ass a chance to buy the bonus face editions. I don't even care if it means GSC gets to cut out the middleman to get extra profit, and charge full price on top of that. At least they give me the opportunity to preorder it for at least a month or two, instead of hoping I'm online when Genki put it up and it hopefully not getting sold out immediately.

>>11270081
Just because it's exclusive doesn't mean it's automatically good, either
The casual head looks like shit on the body and frankly they shouldn't have included it at all

>>11270328
>instead of hoping I'm online when Genki put it up and it hopefully not getting sold out immediately.
Has that happened though with kaiyodo/gsc stuff? I usually see them restock quickly, bandai stuff on the other hand is when they fucking go poof.

>>11270341
>Immediate full payment required

>Poor customer service compared to stores like HLJ and Ami, have fun getting them to ship you a replacement part if you need it

>Raise their prices anytime they feel like it
No, but who likes ordering from them?

>>11270341
It's happened a few times with Figma.
I know both Dungeon Meshi Figmas with bonus sold out real quick. Laios was day one, Marcille might have been slightly longer but I had decided to get her from GSC already.
I'm not sure with Revos, most of the ones I have got I've skipped the bonus, but I missed the no deposit window for Toga because I was busy.

>>11270321
You'll still be crossing that "not worth it" line like most anons here whenever Kaiyodo shows off new figures on their next wonfes

t.time traveler anon

>>11270359
Again, it depends on how much they come with. Some still come with a nice assortment, but in a general sense, it feels like it's dwindling.

>>11270358
>Laios was day one
Huh im surprised by that, I didnt pull the trigger since it was beyond overpriced but clearly you guys are bigger fans.
Skull knight technically sold out too but they quickly restocked.

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>>11270268
>>11270273
They are trigger-finger gripping hands, but they work fine. One is abit looser because I had him holding a 3rd party pistol with it for a long time, but it's still not very loose.

Warhammer stuff in the background because I don't have a clear spot to display him right now.

>>11263584
It seems all December releases are coming out on time. Sally is out now and the rest of them on the 27th.

And doesn't look like anything Revoltech related got revealed or shown at Jump Festa.

>>11270365
I was surprised too because of his price, and he didn't even get a restock like Skull Knight. I had forgotten it happened with Skully. He sold out and I ordered him from HLJ only for him to restock at Genki. I nearly cancelled and got him there, only to see his estimated shipping and decide the 1000 yen difference in price probably wouldn't make him cheaper in the long run.

>>11270367
Thanks, that's good to know since my deathstroke had trouble holding shit due to weapon size like what >>11270298 said. Amazing how it still managed to scratch the paint on the fucking staff.
Still, im looking forward to the reprint since I skipped it the first time due to noguns.
>>11270372
Yeah it really doesnt make too much of a difference, I pray shipping wont rape you though since it may come in an xbox hueg box like the lancer horse figma. Im surprised that they didnt restock on the dungeon meshi stuff honestly.

>>11270377
If the shipping at HLJ for Skully is going to fuck me, I'll buy a bunch of girlpla and shit over the course of 6 months to ship with it so that it's worth it. I had to do that with the Arcanadea horse slut in the middle of the year when EMS was going to be the cheapest option.

Is there any place that sells revo ball joints for nonrape prices? Customs thread said they basically aren't sold anymore and that seems so insane to me. I don't disbelieve them, just the fact that such a basic thing isn't made readily available. Like if a joint breaks depending on what you need you may as well just rebuy the figure.

>>11270544
What joints are you talking about specifically? Because if it's the old revolver joints then you can't blame them for not selling them. They don't use them in their Revoltechs anymore. But you can get non ratchet version of most types, probably except the double joints, as joint sets. They're like model kit but just a bunch of joints. If you mean current Revoltech joints then no they never sold them and I'm not sure if all types exists in those joints set kits.

>>11270551
I meant the ones that are just a ball and two pegs. They're handy for simple little custom work. If you have something you recommend then please share.

>>11270552
Hobby Base (company name) joints
They have many different sets so look at the measurements to get the right ones. Like the ball is 8mm and the pegs are 3mm for example.

when's luke goin' up

>>11270161
I will never forgive the umu face being exclusive.

>>11271155
If they don't say something by Monday I'm thinking next year because he's not up with the others that starts on 12/25. Japan is making a big deal about having 9 days holiday 28th~5th so probably not starting POs in the chaos.

Really hope Kaiyodo still has MHA license because it would be a shame if they dont now that they announced the anime adaption for the Vigilantes spinoff.
Let Yamaguchi do Koichi and Knuckleduster while maoji makes Pop Step

>>11271495
Sounds good.

>>11271495
>maoji makes Pop Step
No I rather have Yamaguchi or his underlings handle her, or anime girls in general. Yamaguchi isn't bad at anime faces and great at sculpting female action figures. What you all are hating is when he has to invent a female face.

>>11271495
Technically I think it's Takara Tomy that has the license. MHA Revo (and figma iirc) have "Sold by Takara Tomy" on them. Gonna guess SHF won't lol. They outsource work to Kaiyodo with these perhaps. Then Kaiyodo outsource some to Maoji. So messy. I'm trying to say can't be sure who makes the final call.