Out Of Placershttps://www.valsalia.com>A project of harmonyThe first meaningful image being claw touching was the objectively correct decision.previous threads: https://desuarchive.org/_/search/subject/placers/type/op/
>>72605050I'm not convinced by the propaganda. Can the average yinglet really be more useful? Maybe cleaning the sewage system if it exists thanks to their small bodies. Some of the pet ones seem to be happy being that as well.
>>72605050Reading about all this harmony makes me smile.It is a very nice page.Setting the populace up for accepting the indrel as well is very exciting. Let's just hope they can hang out in the city without going on another rampage. Gonna need a lot of hair to calm them all down.That dude in the picture is me, by the way. And my THICC baxxid lover. Oh lord.>>72606237They can also be your wife(male)!
>>72606237>Can the average yinglet really be more useful?That depends on your creativity, anon.
>>72607269>They can also be your wife(male)!No, thank you.>>72607363>picNo, thank you.
>>72606237>Can the average yinglet really be more useful?Their small stature and willingness could make them valuable in mining operations or spelunking, especially for preemptive checking for noxious gases and other toxins. The implementation of 'yinglets in the coal mine' will improve productivity throughout the whole region by ensuring the safety and longevity of any and all mining crews.>>72607269>That dude in the picture is me, by the way.Why would you wish to be the 'dude' and not the baxxid? That's completely absurd, what's wrong with you?
>>72608743You can be his Baxxid partner and have many awkward conversations.
>>72608743NTA, but I too would prefer remaining Human. How else would I enjoy their features with my sensitive and appreciated digits? There's a big difference in loving Baxxid and loving being a Baxxid.
>>72607269why does the human look exactly like the dude in the baxxfucker field guide
>>72611034It is close, but different.
>>72609879>How else would I enjoy their features with my sensitive and appreciated digits? Creatively!>There's a big difference in loving Baxxid and loving being a Baxxid.What larger form of baxxid love could there ever be other than being one?
>>72607269>>72611374wait..that hidden mark...that guide is canon..
>>72611949Unfortunately that's edited, the blushing as well. Check >>72605050
>>72611760>What larger form of baxxid love could there ever be other than being one?Maybe you're right, but to me it doesn't feel like one is above the other, more like it's a different form of love. There's some allure to the idea and it would have it's own unique problems and possibilities, but I also can't really view myself as something else than what I am. If I was transformed against my will, I would accept it eventually, but if I have a choice, I would choose against it. Betraying my intended biology while remaining as I am, because I wish to continue being as me as I can be, is the farthest I can see myself going and it feels like my love wouldn't be more if transformed.
>>72611949>>72612242Yeah sorry. I was bein' a cheeky lil shit.>>72611760Then one could do baxxid handshakes!And proper offspring!
I must fug the bug
>>72606237They can do all the jobs we used to get children to do before the nanny state ruined everything - chimney sweeps, coal pickers, sweatshop workers, domestic servants, fruit pickers, cabin boys, military couriers, rat catchers, hazardous waste sorters, bomb carriers... They don't take up much space or eat much, and mostly not the same things humans eat, so they're cheap, and they breed fast so you can train future generations to be competent.
>>72605050The secret text is just>harmoniousThis makes me remember to never get harmonium wet, it explodes violently.Also, there's a big ? after the Indrel. It's curious they didn't mention any of the other possible species, but maybe it was only for the ones that have a population of more than one in the local area.
>>72615360Maybe they only consider those who are officially part of Ivenmoth, since this publication is theirs. The only exception here would be Isher then, maybe because she is alone as you mentioned or maybe she is seen as human enough to be seen as one.
>>72615360>never get harmonium wet, it explodes violently.You're kidding. I was just storing it in the attic, I had no idea it was a goddamn fire hazard
>>72615629I don't think Isher is seen as human by those who don't know her or aren't approaching with the right outlook.Do the rank and file people even know there is at least one yinglet officer? Sure, Kass has been out and about and seen by the people, but did enough of them really take note of it? Feels like the rumor that there is a yinglet officer in Ivenmoth would be something the regular people joke about as "there's no way that would be true".
>>72616960>Do the rank and file people even know there is at least one yinglet officer?>yinglet officer in Ivenmoth would be something the regular people joke aboutI guess that's why this special issue publication was created.
>>72617059It does not clarify that there is one, only to not be surprised by the existence of one.Sure, it's prepping the general public for when they actually see the Kass crew out in the city on official Ivenmoth interspecies business, but it's still not actually announcing that to the pubic. Just planting the seeds.
>>72617303True, but some part of the population would intuit that the reason for releasing this, in this format is more than just future plans, especially if there are rumors out there already.
>>72605050>People talked shit about the baxxidWho said that?WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT!?ONLY OTHER BAXXID AND DEAD MEN GET TO BADMOUTH THE BAXXID, AND YOU DON'T MUCH LOOK LIKE A BAXXID TO ME SO THAT KINDA NARROWS IT DOWN!
>>72605050Immergen looks appropriately wise.
>elements of harmony MY DAY IS RUINED
>>72618800But all the people who said those things said them over 100 years ago and are either dead now or were baxxid then.>>72618891Your reference pool is too small if that's the first connection your mind made. There's a much more subtle one made in this thread that no one is likely to get.
Valsalia culture is centered around baxxid...
>>72619328I sure do hope someone will point out these references to those unfortunate anons who might not get them. That would be a pretty cool thing to do.
>>72619766They aren't references within the comic itself, just the the posts in the thread.Hardly anyone would think about Cosmere stuff in an OOPs thread.
>>72605050Propaganda from a capitalist merchant kingdom that only stays afloat through a combination of mercenary foreign labor espionage and the implicit threat of their giant monster worms.
>>72606237No the average yinglet can hardly be considered sapient. Even getting one to use a broom properly is nigh impossible.
>>72620133I wouldn't be that harsh, they're not stupid they're just INCREDIBLY scatterbrained. The enclaves are proof that if you give them enough structure they can actually accomplish tasks, even if you have to keep those tasks veeeerrrrrryyyy simple
>>72619996Almost quads so almost true.>>72620393Using a broom properly is a complex task.
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>>72618856He's also wearing the Trademaster socks!>>72618891Inter-species integration is magic!
>>72620621That's what I'm getting at, yinglets CAN complete complex tasks you just have to start small and work with them.
>>72622753The hat, the stocks and the sleeves are all the same. It's only been 116 years (?) so fashion hasn't come along that much yet.
>>72624299The trademaster outfit is likely more a uniform than a fashion statement.
>>72625847One would assume the trademaster gets to design the outfit he wears.Anyway, goodnight.
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Ahhhh I almost missed this thread
>>72605050>>72607269
>>72619708>BAXXIDS could be here
>>72619708No baxxid, no tooth.
>>72631666With a tiplod you can go anywhere.
>>72631570Hot.>>72619708Makes sense, living for more than hundred years in and around the home of the Baxxid, 115 of those also being in collaboration with them, can have that effect.
>>72611374I think part of the outfit is covering the rest of the symbol. This guy is definitely a bonewormfucker and was told to cover it up for the shoot
>>72633526Scratch that, I'm a retard>>72612242
>>72633569It happens to the best of us. Maybe it needs to become canon?Anyway,>>72607269>>72613970BadDay i'm assuming? You got some people pretty well.
>>72624266Well if you need to keep the tasks simple then the only way to complete complex tasks if it's perfectly broken down into consecutive simple tasks, but they can't complete consecutive tasks because they are scatter brained. The enclave works because there's a lot of yinglets out there so it is possible to assign one task per one yinglet. So the real solution is that you have to hire a five yinglet team to use one broom correctly.>>72622024This picture needs to be corrected to 5 yinglet 1 broom.
>>72631570>>72633526>hand-holdingI see why we’re on /trash/ now.More please.
>>72635285Hand- / claw-holding would be too lewd even for this thread. This is the sfw tease version, claw-touching.
>>72634979If you sat a yinglet down and spent a few hours painstakingly showing them how to sweep until they proved they could do it, and then promised them sex and/or clams for doing a good job they would probably show some impressive work.
>>72631570That picture is hilarious, and also quite titillating.>>72634715Guilty.I was actually afraid of this exact kind of thing happening when I was drawing it; My dumb little panel "muddying the waters" by editing the official picture, and doing so almost right away.But I also love dumb jokes, so I decided: Fuck it!>>72635285 >>72635546I really should pick my POV clawholding picture back up.But I'm drawing something MUCH more stupid, that nobody actually wants to see instead!
>>72615007The biggest thing I think is actually teaching them. Most males are thrown out of the nursery at 8 months with a minimum of basic survival training to find older males to mentor them. This would be the equivalent of setting human children loose on their own at around five or six years old. In such a system,only the truly exceptional will survive, let alone rise to prominence. Yinglets are roughly human level intelligence, but without any real formal training, most of them muddle through life as best they can. It's easy to dismiss them because most of them are blindingly ignorant BY DESIGN. That's what Vislet was trying to get across to Kassen in their first meeting. Vis frames it as "I want Human knowledge for my people," but what she really wants is for the average Yinglet to receive the kind of education that the females get. Does that mean education the bog standard males? Absolutely. Successful civilizations are built on the average citizens having a basic level of education. Having a cultured elite doesn't help your civilization overall if the masses are ignorant. I think Vislet can't come right out and say it, even to Kass, but what she wants is to form some sort of educational system for the average Yinglet. I think Kass excites her for a couple of reasons. One is obvious, that is, Kassen has a head full of human knowledge to exploit. The other is that Kass is a good example of what might happen if a Yinglet is given extensive training. The latter is questionable, though, because Kassen is a biologically young female Yinglet with 25 years of male human knowledge and personality superimposed on a Yinglet brain. Kassen's force of will is able to (mostly) override Yinglet instinctive impulses and continue to function more or less the same as when he was human. Several of the Patriarchs show that level of personal discipline, but they have presumably had years of practice. How much has been learned over time and how much could be trained is debatable
>>72618800I'm sorry being off topic, but this came to mind. Because of this edit, I start giggling like an idiot when I see references to this scene.https://youtu.be/nrdlIWdJqok?si=XQbelzLjmjGL3tmU
>>72620393I'd argue that the average Yinglet is incredibly ignorant. They get tossed out on their own at 8 months to find a mentor. Earlier I said this was equivalent to five or six >>72636743 but I went back and checked the field guides and this is actually the start of puberty, so more like ten or eleven years old. Either way, they just don't know much of anything.
>>72636367I found it pretty funny that your edit was confused for the real one twice. I even had a slightly tangentally related art idea, but I can't draw so that would take a couple of miracles to happen.Speaking of art, it's too late now that you mentioned it, I want to see your stupid idea. Also speaking of your art, you didn't upload the blue version of Zhretta working on Kal looped gif to itaku, don't know if intentionally or maybe you forgot, but just so you are aware.
>>72636743This was discussed multiple times in multiple threads by multiple people already, so I will probably only write this, so it's here as well. There's no way yinglets are roughly human level, Vizlet and co are human level and that's only because they are special. They are the lucky individuals born smart and talented enough to be respectable, but that's not true for the common yinglet and it's not an education issue. That would certanly help, but no amount proper teaching and training will elevate yinglets as a whole to the level they wish to be. Vizlet is simply wrong in her assessment, she is surrounded with special individuals and her own experience which she doesn't recognize as something a common yinglet couldn't achieve and this distorts her view of the yinglet reality.
>>72637172You could try out doing the art anyway! Especially if the idea is is more like a meme image rather than a full on drawing.Small image macros are not as scary to just try out, and it doesn't matter much how the art turns out, since the intended message/joke is what's important! If drawing is something you'd want to try learning, that is.I felt like that gif was "just a lazy edit", so I figured I'd just let it be a thread treat. But the Itaku is my "anything goes" dumping ground, so I probably should. People like "only the lewd" loops anyway.Oh the stupid will come, don't you worry. Shitpost images are the one thing I actually do complete.
>>72637874Yeah, I remember that. My counter is "human level intelligence" a wide range, IQ wise. The defining feature of "human level intelligence" is the ability to communicate using language by forming proper sentence structure, which even the basic street scav can do. And it is unique to humans in real life. All those experiments with great apes like Coco the gorilla turned out to be bullshit. She was smart and could recognize and use words, but she couldn't actually form proper sentence structure or hold a basic conversation that conveyed complex ideas. All that shit turned out to be falsified. Meanwhile, Yinglets are capable of forming coherent sentences and conveying fairly complex ideas. So even all but the dumbest stilt rat meets the basic criteria for human level intelligence. Or you're making the counter argument that a sizable percentage of the human population don't rise to the level of "human level intelligence." Which is an interesting angle to argue it from. Pic probably related.
>>72636743So what I'm getting is that yinglets are like Vulcans and need extensive training to suppress emotions from a young age.
>>72637874This does not work in this context.The average yinglet is a fart laughing ninny, and so is Kass now. That's not being questioned.But the context is what if all the yinglets got the same level of attention and education that the females got? Compare any of the enclave females to a common street scav and the difference is stark.
>>72640338Eh, I don't know if they even have to go that far. Just teaching them something beyond bare bones basic survival skills would probably be a huge improvement. Of course that involves establishing an infrastructure to do so. Vislet so badly wants to improve things for her people, but she's up against both the cultural momentum of the Enclave system and the ignorance of the Yinglet population at large. If she tries to go too far, too fast, she risks not just censure by her government, but also a possible peasant rebellion. It was played for comedy, but she made it clear that something as simple of revealing Kass' true origins would have terrible consequences.
>>72641214What she needs is a patriarch of education.
>>72637874No, Vizlet has all the (extremely scanty) evidence on her side. What are you talking about?
>>72639685>turned out to be falsified.>turned out to beYou are clearly confusing two very different definitions of "falsified". It wasn't falsified in the relevant definition either. It didn't meet the burden of proof.
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An Indrel wearing the red might actually be a bigger surprise to the general populace than a yinglet. They are kind of total unknowns to anyone who doesn't travel through their mountains.
>>72636367>too large, strong and dangerous to exist comfortably in human-sized inside wallsI’ve seen people take some pretty absurdly huge dildos, so I’m pretty sure whoever wrote this is not only a quitter, but also a coward.
Goodnight.
I can't help myself, I will have to reply.>>72641384She really doesn't. What she has is information that's misleading her into a wrong conclusion.- She has her own experience of how she worked among humans and learned their ways, but as I said this is something only someone like her achieve, because she is above average.- She has her surroundings, where she is around the best of the species a lot, but that's selection bias.- She has Kass, but that's not representative, for Kass his past human knowledge and experience does the heavy lifting, in fact we see how being a yinglet with a yinglet brain inconveniences him multiple times and he has to actively fight it.- She saw a homeless human acting simple, similar to yinglets. This is the most interesting one because it directly shows the issue of how the comparison is being done. This is excellent evidence that the current yinglet system is inefficient, because it puts a lot of yinglets into a similar situation, meaning yinglets could be better with a better system, but it does nothing to prove that yinglets and humans are comparable, even if at first glance it might look like it does.Proper comparison needs a different framework. That's why >>72639685 is wrong as well.I think taking the IQ wise wide range approach in this case is wrong anyway, the outliers both good and bad does not represent the majority, but even if we use this approach, the same has to be applied to yinglets as well. So far we saw that the highest outliers in yinglets are those like Vizlet and again she is not an outlier because she learned in the human framework, it's the other way around, she is an outlier which allowed her to reach this level using the human framework. Most others are going to be below this. There's an intersection, the smartest yinglets will be smarter than the stupidest humans, but the human wide range is shifted above the yinglet wide range.
>>72651282 (cont'd)This all means that given equal opportunity to learn and function, on average humans will perform better, or another way to look at it, if you consider all combinations of a human vs a yinglet, there will be more cases, i would argue much more actually, where a human will end up being better. This in my opinion already applies without the fact that the average yinglet lifespan is shorter and them being naturally scatter-brained gives them an even bigger disadvantage. This is why the above information Vizlet has are not proper proof for comparison to humans and this is why she is misled by those. The same reason why the females mentioned by >>72640484 are the way they are as well. They are treated better as they are the elites of their current society, so they do have a big difference compared to the males, especially those who are outside the enclave, but that does nothing to prove that they are comparable to humans.I think this also makes them more interesting overall. The question of what they can achieve with and without human help given that they are still just yinglets. Just like how with baxxid, it's not a stretch to say they are smarter than humans, because they showed they can learn complex subjects very fast, but they have a critical weakness compared to humans, their lack of creativity, and their resulting society is polite but strained to unhealthy levels which is why it's interesting, the same way it's not a stretch to see that yinglets are inherently not as smart as humans and this will have it's own issues. It's for the better as well since the comic is interesting as a result. Even after considering the arguments multiple times, I can't help but think that seeing yinglets as comparable to humans is just simply wish fulfillment.
>>72650862The Shape of Ying
>>72650862I like this
>>72611034I don't keep up with this place, could someone repost the baxxfucker guide please?
>>72652134here u go friend
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>>72652458How am I supposed to do what I'm supposed to do here? Scoot back and forth and burn my ass on the floor?
>>72605050What I like about this is there's not a single mention of treating anyone as "equals". Harmony isn't equality or equity. It's realizing that different people(/species) are different and trying to make those differences benefit society.
>>72651282>>72651282You're waffling, sorry. The proper comparison would be to take a sampling of yinglets, give them comprehensive human-style education from birth, and see how they perform. The closest we have is Vizlet and Kass. They aren't good examples because Vizlet is self-selected (may be an outlier) and Kass had a human brain during his education (may have been able to learn better). They are, however, the only examples. Both are fully functional by human standards. There is no particular reason to assume the artefact gave Kass a "better brain" than the standard yinglet.Literate educated humans are not directly comparable with neolithic yinglets. Not comparable here meaning direct comparison is not valid, not that they are dissimilar. The fact that the yinglets are primitive is not useful information. The yinglets have supposedly risen from absolutely nothing - no tools, no language, no culture - to their present state in less than two centuries. That would be lunacy, except that we know for a fact (because of the shared language) that they copied the humans (unless both copied the same source). Official policy from the elders is not to copy anything human. We have no hope of untangling this into any useful indication of how capable they are of advancing.Yinglets acting scatter-brained, etc is not a useful indication of how capable they are of advancing.Vizlet has the two only relevant test cases in her favour. Not enough to prove the point but certainly enough to justify the hypothesis.
>>72653310>What I like about this is we don't have to treat those fucks fairlyEquity is generally a precondition for harmony. People treated inequitably become inharmonious.
>>72653053The problem is that you're not a yinglet
We can solve that problem
>>72653610I'd rather keep that problem unfixed
>>72653421Equity is a precondition for idiocy. Equity means equality of outcome. It means raising one up (or cutting one down) until both can achieve only exactly the same things. If they had Equity, they'd have cut off every Humans hands so that they couldn't be better than Baxxid at manual tasks.
>>72654922No, it doesn't. Equity means impartiality, or "fairness". It derives from concepts of naturalis aequitas dating back to Rome, and Greece before her. It does not mean, and has never meant, equality of outcome. I'd suggest that whoever told you it did likely wanted to get up to some inequities and was trying to sanitise his position by redefining terms.
Am I the only one who wants to be a Yinglet(female)?
>>72656420I just don't wanna lay eggs man
>>72656461Don't get bred then?
>>72656502What's the point of being female then?
>>72656461Laying eggs is better than giving live birth.
>>72656534Yinglets presumably cannot be impregnated by human men
>>72651298This brings us back around to what I was saying that Vizlet needs a patriarch of general education in her enclave. She can play by the yinglet rules while at the same time bringing the dumbass quota down. Give it a few generations and she'll have a much more functional society. She might even live to see it if she ends up living as long as Figgins.
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>>72658127That slut!
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>>72653342I'm not 100% sure what you mean by waffling, if you mean being vague then I would disagree, if you mean rambling then that's fair, I ususally prefer being verbose to be clearer and have every angle out there.It seems like we almost fully agree, but still come to different conclusions. I pretty much agree with paragraph 1-3. Disagree with 4, being scatter-brained is an indication. It doesn't tell theoritical limits, but they are worse off because of it in general and in comparison to humans. For 5, the problem is that her relevant test cases are biased for the reasons I explained before and as you said, they are bad examples. It's valid to make a hypothesis out of this, but it will just end up being wrong.>>72657432If Vizlet is successful it would be better for both yinglets and humans.
>>72656590Free breakfast with every abortion
>>72664988>HhhhhniiI am the laaaw.
>>72664988That smaller head and human torso are making me feel things.
>>72664988Nice! It really does work. I wouldn't dare to misbehave.
>>72665207Hold me back because I will.
>>72663154I meant that you spoke at length and I didn't consider everything you said relevant, so I laid out my own case rather than try to address yours point by point.Being scatter-brained can certainly make it more difficult to learn, but you're talking about whether "yinglets are roughly human level". Scatter-brained people are of human intelligence.Her examples are bad in the sense that they're biased so they have low value. That's not an argument that the reverse is true, that yinglets are NOT of roughly human capabilities. If you agree with paragraphs 2-3, that there's no basis for comparison between illiterate savage yinglets and civilised humans and their civilization achievements aren't a mark against them, then what are you basing your argument on? You're saying "it will just end up being wrong". The default position is "who knows".
>>72665319>I didn't consider everything you said relevant(That is to say I considered less than everything you said relevant, I didn't think you were talking complete piffle)
>>72656461Eh, not that bad.
