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>>2720096
Any solid predictions for Epic Universe announcements?

I'm betting there will be AP previews before it officially opens. Then after it opens, AP holders will have to make reservations to get in.
They have already been gradually increasing AP prices the past couple years, so it wouldnt surprise me if all passes become eligible, or just need an addon.

Lots of people saying they wont even have an AP option for the first 1+ years, but I can't imagine Universal burning their biggest fans like that. They have even posted phrasing like "AP options will be announced at a later date".

>>2720105
On the topic of passes I'm expecting either no Express Passes or limited use in some way (like how you can't use an Express Pass for Hagrid)

>>2720109
With how much Universal appears to be (literally) gatekeeping the new park, it seems like they expect attendance to be like 15m in the first 12 months...
The park will have a higher capacity than islands (which gets 10-11m per year), and they expect it to be at capacity constantly.

>>2720105
Big price hikes for the various tickets across each region. I can see the gap between them and Disney in terms of prices shrinking. I think there will be limited dates for annual pass holders or an option to upgrade to a super premium one. They may open up dates depending on attendence levels.

I think we won't get the to the more nitty gritty announcements this year. Announcing the opening date could cause people to postpone holidays so that definitely won't be until after xmas.

I think they'll do some more focused announcement videos. One of food options, one on shows and entertainment, ones on "resort benefits" to shill the hotels and talk about shuttle options.

>>2720110
Seems optimistic given the smaller ride count and the "it'll be too busy this soon after opening, lets wait" factor. Although the park has an incredibly good selection of rides with maybe only 2-3 not being e-ticket level, it's still going to be a park you do quickly if it's quiet, I think it's only going to be when we get phase 2 of Monsters (water ride) and Nintendo (Pokemon?) that the park will properly fill a day

Queues on Donkey Kong and Wolfman are going to be savage though.

>>2720118
I don't even care about the queues. I haven't been this excited since Islands first opened.
If I weren't such a fucking loser I'd have my own kids to take to the opening, but at least I'll still have fun by myself or with my nephews once the buzz dies down and they're a little older by 2027.

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>>2720105
new (leaked?) hotel benefits chart says express passes are not valid at epic universe

>>2720217
Stella Nova is walkable to Epic Universe? Didn't know that. Guess that means it'll be $10-20 a night more and fill up quicker. Seems like penny pinching that they didn't add a bridge or tunnel for the other hotel, maybe they decided it pushed it to a distance that was unwalkable a the hottest times of the year.

No priority seating for Helios is weird. Maybe they didn't want to highlight that Epic Universe is kinda lacking in table service places (just the one in the central bit I believe)

>>2720109
>>2720217
Yep, called it.

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Something else I'm expecting at Epic Universe is for at least one or two rides to use a Virtual Queue system.

>>2720303
If any ride will have a virtual queue it'll be Donkey Kong but I'm not too sure Universal will want to introduce it for that. This won't be people making a holiday for one single ride so if something goes over 2 hours, it's annoying but not a holiday ruiner. Most of the rides look to be extremely high capacity and I think the dragon riders coaster in particular will be a ride that frequently goes down to 15 minutes, encouraging people to walk to the opposite side of the park to the queue monsters.

I wonder if there'll be a phase 1.5 where they put in a couple more flat rides, a bit like they did with IoA (hopefully something a bit more effort than the Storm teacups). Getting rid of the monster show as a crowd soak for that area was a mistake, even if it did mean another family coaster.

Updated height requirements.

It's mostly in line with their existing rides, the only one that's eyebrow raising being the DK coaster which has a ride height in line with a kiddy coaster, suggests that there's no airtime on the 'jumps'

Also noticed that the Dragonriders looks to have shin restraints which is a shame.

>>2720377
Didn't post the link: https://www.universalorlando.com/web/en/gb/theme-parks/epic-universe

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>>2720377
>Also noticed that the Dragonriders looks to have shin restraints which is a shame.
I'm not seeing any here, unless you're talking about the coaster?

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>>2720501
Also

>>2720377
>the only one that's eyebrow raising being the DK coaster which has a ride height in line with a kiddy coaster, suggests that there's no airtime on the 'jumps'
Unfortunate if true.

>>2720377
>>2720572
DK's intensity isn't too surprising considering the trains are pretty much on a stick. Can't have much force or else they might undergo too much stress.

>orlando is right in the middle of the path of Hurricane Milton

This could be savage, especially for Epic Universe.

>>2720624
>Oh No!
>Anyway

>top thrill 2 done for the season after only 2 weeks.
>announce new coaster for 2025
>immediately beginning selling tshirts for it
>mfw wearing a tshirt in 2025 to another broken ride

>no update on the Alton Towers indoor coaster

Hope it isn't cancelled, apparently it wasn't a good year for the park.

RMC just showed off a high capacity version of the Wild Moose with less cluttered supports that looks suspiciously like it has indoor/dark ride use in mind. RMC's bending tracks seem ideal for dark rides but all they've really done are refurbs of classic wooden tracked dark rides.

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>2024
>still no life sized version of this

>>2720624
Too far inland

>>2720688
Still could hit it though. IoA had the sides ripped of Jurassic World and a building site like Epic Universe will still have a lot of exposed stuff that isn't hurricane proofed.

>>2720691
>Still could hit it though.
It almost certainly will but this isn't the first time a hurricane has hit Orlando, the parks normally reopen the next day.

>>2720624
It'll be fine. Busch Gardens might get fucked though.

>>2720696
And anything in construction with exposed parts isn't usually affected?

>>2720708
Not really, they're feverishly securing that stuff right now

>>2720700
They posted a message saying it's fine, Iron Gwasi was built to withstand 160mph winds.

It's currently blowing 165mph...

I'm living in Orlando, and getting fed up with the hurricane hysteria and second-hand outrage over the parks staying open for a half day on wednesday...
It's like people think that when a storm is blowing in, we all need to lock ourselves indoors for a full week. Tampa will be in trouble, yes. But Orlando will not be nearly as affected.
The truth is, its going to start getting windy and rainy on wednesday night, then get intense in early thursday morning, and be gone by the evening. It's perfectly normal for the parks to operate a day before the storm, while its still mild.

>"But employees need to be home to prepare!"
We all have 3-5 days to prepare, and there isnt a whole lot to even do, past stocking up on supplies.

It's giving flashbacks to covid, with people obsessing over fear-porn, leading to panic and overreaction. Theres all these national stories on how being in Tampa is basically a death sentence, so people assume that being ANYWHERE in florida is the same.

>>2720725
It's going to be around 100-120 by the time it reaches BG...

>>2720624
There is a chance that some construction could be damaged, though they do everything they can prepare for it.
Luckily, most structures are fully built by now, so hopefully it remains mostly stable.

>>2720096
Why are Dutch parks and coasters so much better than those in other countries?

>>2720730
I'm surprised by the lack of victim blaming by the climate alarmists but to be honest we're at the point where we should start asking if EVs are making things worse.

>Flights I was tracking for next June just went up by £160
wtf

>>2721223
Are you the LA anon? No way they're anywhere near selling out (unless an event was just announced), guessing it's a "we're about to pretend we're reducing it in a sale" price rise.

>>2721226
>Are you the LA anon?
Yeah. I don't think it was tied to any events since I got the alert for it about a week ago.
What's the best price I should expect to find?

>>2721229
The floor when I went last month was £210 but June is summer holidays for Yanks so probably a bit of a bump. A quick look sees flights from Norse at Gatwick at £240 but BA is stupid money money at £400+, can't see them keeping flights at that price, I'd say £230-270 is the target, chance Norse may go under £200 (book Norse on a CC, not a debit card, their finances are dodgy).

British Airways do 2 A380 flights a day if you're a plane nerd and want to go on one.

>>2721239
ok sounds good

>Alton Towers have a big teaser to hype a mystery new ride
>it's just for the fucking top spin they're putting in

Cool thread info

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Went to Disneyland Paris for three days. I had a lot of fun but there were definitely some issues I noticed. Some thoughts:
>Electrical Sky Parade ran without drones every night because of the shitty weather. I am very butthurt I missed it
>Studios is one big construction site, tons of construction walls blocking roads making it a pain to get around. Going from Avengers to Toy Story means walking through the ENTIRE park since they blocked off all the shortcut paths around Tower of Terror
>Walls all over Main Street and around the Castle too. Not as egregious as in Studios but it still ruins some of the nice views
>Same issue in Disney Village, construction everywhere ruins the vibes
>Noticed several effects not working properly, like the rotating eyes on the big Cheshire Cat face in the maze.
>Second day had really bad crowd problems because of several rides breaking down repeatedly. Had to exit mid-queue for both Big Thunder Mountain and Web Slingers after waiting like 30 minutes, and Ratatouille broke down right after we got off and noticed some weird sync issues. We got free fastpasses for the next day tho so it wasn't too bad
>Walt's was really nice. A bit overpriced of course but really tasty. There's lots of archive pictures of Walt and tons of old concept art framed on the walls, including amazing Discovery Mountain concepts from Tony Baxter
>First time in Avenger's Campus, it is (for the most part) well themed. The problem is this theming is a lot of boring concrete. Flight Force has a fun launch but is so barebones, even Hyperspace Mountain is better themed. Web Slingers is fun, but despite being able to pull objects and switches and cause reactions, it just devolves into wildly flailing your arms and spamming shots to get the most points
>Discovery Land looks absolutely gorgeous after all the refurbs. Now I just hope we get the original Space Mountain back
>Phantom Manor and Big Thunder Mountain are still the GOATs, absolute peak imagineering

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>>2722450
TL:DR - DLP is a gorgeous park with some great rides, but it could use a new ride or two to breathe some new life into it. Studios is getting worked on which is appreciated, but it is absolutely not worth visiting in its current state. If you're thinking about visiting the parks, definitely wait until the lake and Frozen area are done in two years.
I was actually able to see the construction on it from the top of the parachute drop, which was really cool to see. It's looking bigger than I thought.

Here's another pic I took after exiting the disappointing new Nautilus. I can't believe they got rid of the Kraken.

>>2722450
Sucks you couldn't get the full drone experience, really is my favourite night show from Disney.

Construction was bad when I went too, hoping when Frozen opens they re-open all the shortcuts because the amount of walking you do for such a small park is insane. Not sure the disney Village changes will make it better, I actually liked the old 90s vibe of Disney Village, would have been happy for them to just refurbish that and maybe add a bit more to the theming (maybe add some neons to make it like 90s pleasure island). Also think the new restaurants are lacking, they should have tried to get a Gideon's. Definitely needs another heavily themed place.

One thing I discovered at California Adventure is that you do actually get some hints that tell you what to aim at rather than just flailing your arms and looking for gold bots, you miss that in the French one (shame they didn't go duo-lingo like Ratatouille). Flight Force is a bit of an embarassing retheme, a few lazy screens on a decades old coaster.

Paris definitely has the best versions of Pirates (comfiest queueline), Phantom Manor and thunder mountain. The Disneyland park desperately needs a new ride though, Nothing since Buzz Lightyear

Frozenland looks nice but... it's so frustrating it's a clone of the Epcot one and that the other ride is another fucking teacups. 6 years it took them to build it, they could have worked with Tokyo and got that one too as it completely shits on the Epcot one. Hopefully the Lion King ride will be build a lot quicker.

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>>2722510
>Sucks you couldn't get the full drone experience, really is my favourite night show from Disney.
No need to rub it in kek. But yeah, it's unfortunate. I suppose that's the one drawback to drone shows, they're a lot more sensitive to weather than fireworks are. The fireworks show was pretty good too, but nothing like the ones from the US parks I've seen on youtube.

>Not sure the disney Village changes will make it better
They won't make it better at all imo, current Disney cares little about extravagant theming like in the 90s Eisner era. Looking at the concept art they're gonna turn it into the usual modern mall aesthetic with some character faces here and there.

>The Disneyland park desperately needs a new ride though
I think it's only a matter of time before they do. The rumors of that Star Wars coaster behind Discoveryland seem potent. But it makes sense to not announce anything until they're done with the Studios park, that one needs the attention the most. Finish that one first, then move on to DLP.

>>2722530
Wait why the fuck did it upload sideways, I didn't take it like that

>>2722532
phones often rotate in the metadata rather than the image (means you can do lossless rotation) itself which 4chan doesn't support.

>>2722530
The Mandalorian Coaster could be a great addition, DLP only having 2 family coasters is something that holds it back. I'd guess it's happening given it was rumoured along with the Lion King ride. Just hope it isn't an alt theme of the upcoming Spider-man coaster (not that it looks bad but they need to keep parks having real exclusives).

Wonder if they'll ever do the Cars expansion that was on some of the earliest plans, Would like to see the parks get a Test Track style ride.

>>2720751
Dutch autism
My homie Marcel Vos is Dutch and an autistic Roller Coaster Tycoon Youtuber.

Gotta love the time before CAD when designers had to work out forces themselves and occasionally you got someone lazily designing a kids coaster without doing any calculations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OJbJxUAM9g

Wonder how often kids puke up after that.

>>2722976
Doesn't look like that big of a deal desu

>>2722976
Pretty sure that’s a post-CAD coaster. My kids have ridden a very similar E&F Miler kiddie coaster at Kings Island and they like it.

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Probably the last we'll see of Tokyo Space Mountain as they're starting to cover it up. Looks like it's going to be a more modern take on DLPs one with a launch up a tunnel.

Star Dust Racers is going to look incredible at night, they made the right choice of making it unlit.

https://x.com/AnniesUniUpdate/status/1845622463033729427

>>2723246
so it's a complete retrack rather than just a new exterior?

>>2723253
It's completely from scratch, it's being built behind the existing space mountain (which closed a month or so ago)

BTM closing for a year+ in January. Guess 7 dwarves queue will get even more insane

Universal has confirmed Epic Universe will open Memorial Day Weekend

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>>2723669
https://www.wsj.com/business/universal-epic-universe-harry-potter-ride-d6e5113b
>opening it up in late spring just in time for summer
God they are gonna slaughter the competition.

>>2723677
I was surprised. I was expecting late summer. I'm super pumped they're getting it open that early.

>>2723416
I know that BTM is one of the most generic rides at WDW but it's my favorite now that Splash is gone.
Part of me loves the ride and doesn't see the need for change, but the other part of me is bored of BTM staying the same since I was a kid. Thankfully, the changes seem good.

>>2723677
When you compare it to Disney, it's really impressive just how much they've got their act together. Opening a new park at peak summer though... What are we predicting, Magic Kingdom style "it'll be too busy, lets wait" for the first month + spreading customers over whole of Universal or will it get close to capacity?

Really interested in finding out what the ministry of magic ride is like, will it be Avatar levels of "swoop but you never lose your stomach", maybe with a RotR singular drop down or will it be a smaller ToT.

>>2723715
Think it's just a retrack and adding some minor effects to the lift hill.

>>2723677
>God they are gonna slaughter the competition.

Maybe it'll encourage Disney to provide better value and come up with better ways of sorting out the crowds

>>2723726
>Really interested in finding out what the ministry of magic ride is like, will it be Avatar levels of "swoop but you never lose your stomach", maybe with a RotR singular drop down or will it be a smaller ToT.
More like a bigger Spider-Man/Transformers

>>2723726
I think they're being really smart making it so you have to buy a three day multi park pass, and you can only go to Epic Universe on one of those days. I certainly won't be going in the first year it's open, but hopefully it won't be too bad. I'm excited to go probably in 2026.

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>>2723727
>Maybe it'll encourage Disney to provide better value and come up with better ways of sorting out the crowds

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>1 week away from my Japan trip
I'm so fucking ready bros.
Also didnt know DisneySea got an expansion, anyone knows if it's worth it?

>>2723669
Rumors are not confirmation. stop with the fake news.

I see so many people talking about how you can only visit Epic as part of a major ticket package.
If this is true, I think Universal will see their biggest backlash they have ever gotten. If there are no AP options, and no single day passes, they will kill a lot of good will, and lose a big chunk of their fanbase.

People will start to look at them like Disney in no time...

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>>2720096
The longer I live in Florida, the weirder my preferences get...

1. Mako
2. Expedition Everest
3. Iron Gwazi
4. Velocicoaster
5. Hagrids
6. Manta
7. Tron
8. Cheetah Hunt
9. Pipeline
10. Sheikra

As I go to the parks more, I find things more enjoyable when they are less hyped. Mako and Everest always have quick lines. I can walk right on almost any time I'm there, and get a consistent, smooth ride.

I guess a better way to define this ranking is - which rides am I most likely to ride the most when in that park.
Anything that is too rough, or has stupidly long waits (and has no single rider), I'm not interested in repeating much...

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>>2723898
>didnt know DisneySea got an expansion, anyone knows if it's worth it?
Probably, but keep in mind that all three rides still use virtual queues and you'll need to grab one or buy a Lightning Lane to even enter the area.

>>2723898
Are you planning to hit up both Universal Japan and Tokyo Disneyland?

>>2723957
Yes. I will do that. How do they feel about Indian men there?

>>2723959
>Yes. I will do that
How easy is it to get from one resort to the other?
>How do they feel about Indian men there?
I don't think they mind as long as you aren't being an obnoxious tourist.

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disney world is getting universal express pass. costs between $129 to $449 depending on park and day of visit. Only disney deluxe resort guests are allowed to buy it. can only enter each ride once.

https://www.wdwmagic.com/other/disney-genie/gallery/16oct2024-lightning-lane-premier-pass-logo/57766.htm

>>2724066
wrong link lol
https://www.wdwmagic.com/other/disney-genie/news/16oct2024-everything-you-need-to-know-about-disneys-new-lightning-lane-premier-pass-at-walt-disney-world.htm

>>2724066
I wish they'd make up their mind. It's exhausting trying to figure out how Disney's system works at any given time.

Much worse value than Universal's but that's to be expected I guess.

>>2724066
DL is also getting it with their price ranging from $300-$400. Anyone with a reservation can buy it and it's good for both parks (WDW version is only good for one park)

>>2724066
Given how much the deluxe resorts cost, that's especially eyewatering. I'd guess you're paying $1-2 for every minute you knock off of queueing times, assuming you use them to the max, on top of how fucking expensive the deluxe hotels are ($250 premium per night?)

>>2724083
>DL is also getting it with their price ranging from $300-$400
More specifically it'll be $400 until the end of 2024, then for 2025 onwards it'll vary by demand within $300-$400.

>>2724138
Fuck that's a lot.

>>2724066
>>2724083
For comparison, the equivalent service at Disneyland Paris (Premier Access Ultimate) costs about $230 for both parks.

>>2724140
Don't forget that a bunch of the attractions at Disneyland aren't included in Lightning Lane (like the Fantasyland rides, Jungle Cruise, and Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage)

>>2724146
Really? That price is outrageous then.

>>2724142
I did it when I was at DLP.

In all honesty it was actually worth it. Would never have done Crush's Coaster and Peter Pan without it and got an extra ride on BTM (easily the best non-launch version, dat tunnel section)

>>2724146
Half the point of these passes if getting on quickly the "I'm not spending 45+ minutes for that..." rides.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PS3v1OC-mx8
Epic opens May 22

>>2724439
Fuck yeah. They must be really confident they're making that date.

I'm probably going to end up going week after Labor day. It's possibly I may do a few days in Washington then road trip down.

>>2724441
Thinking about it, wonder if UK tickets will let you go multiple days. Only allowing 1 day at the park will be kinda stupid when they sell 14 day tickets.

>>2724442
They sent APs an email specifying 1-day tickets go on sale on the 26th for them so it's likely initial ticket sales will only be multi-day (otherwise why would they let APs buy tickets later than everyone else)

>>2724447
Attraction Tickets Direct (Universals UK seller for some reason) are saying 1 day per 14 day ticket which is kinda bullshit. Hope they improve it on the 22nd.

Theres a lot of misconceptions over this complicated Epic announcement, so here is everything summed up.

>Ticket packages go on sale 10/22
>AP single day tickets go on sale 10/24
>Everyone else single day tickets go on sale at a later date
>Opening date is 5/22, but there will likely be a 'soft open' for AP holders prior to that.
>Epic AP options will be announced later (probably as day passes slow down)

Single day passes to Universal currently go around 110-150 per day, so I expect Epic opening days will be around 170-200. If the economy crashes in the next year, and they can't keep up with selling tickets, I could see them opening AP options pretty early on.

I live about 2 miles away from Epic, so I will be there opening day, just for the experience. Though it will kinda suck to have 1 park (the best park) around here that I don't have full access to lol.

>>2723898
Yeah, DisneySea is fucking awesome. Best theming in the world. The new expansion is really good, but very much family-oriented. It mogs pretty much every US expansion Disney has done since Pandora, and even then I would say it's only the fourth best land in the park.
>>2723953
As this anon points out, you will need standby passes, so download the app ahead of time (you'll want it anyway to utilize their free fastpass service). If you are traveling with a party, the system for linking them is a bit convoluted. You need to have everyone download the app and make an account, then you can invite them to your group so you can grab passes for everyone at once. Best I could tell, you need to re-create this group every day of your trip.

Show up early. At least an 45 minutes before posted opening time. The Japanese are hardcore about ropedrop. As soon as you enter the park gates, open the app and try to snag passes. I don't know if things have died down at all, but when I went, all Fantasy Springs passes would be gone in minutes.

>>2724473
Seems like Fantasy Springs has been a bit of a failure when it comes to the "we're trying to reduce the queues and crowds" side of thing. The rides look great though, I really need to get over there.

>>2724529
I think it'll probably reduce the queue for Toy Story Mania once it moves away from requiring standby passes, but really it feels more like a evening out of Sea's roster than something to drive down crowds. The park's headliners skew more adult than most Disney parks, especially Disneyland next door. Fantasy Springs will make the park much more attractive for families with younger children.

>>2723920
I like Everest but I don’t know if it would even crack my Florida top 10. Mine would be:

1. Mako
2. Iron Gwazi
3. Velocicoaster
4. Hagrids
5. Cheetah Hunt
6. Cosmic Rewind
7. Manta
8. Sheikra
9. Hulk
10. Big Thunder Mountain

Honorable mentions to Kumba, Pipeline, and Ice Breaker. And Everest with the working Yeti which I rode twice in 2006. I haven’t ridden Tron yet. I also haven’t ridden White Lightning or Mineblower at the Fun Spots. Have you?

I’ve been on 5 B&M hypers (but not SFOG Goliath) and Mako is definitely my favorite. I like the little lake and the lift hill soundtrack. The perfectly profiled airtime hills. And like you I also like the short lines and marathon it when I visit. That’s what puts it over IG and VC for me even though I know they’re better coasters

>>2724588
Everest gets lots of points for how forceful the backwards helix is. Can't think of any other family coaster that does something like that

>>2724588
I haven't done any of the non-major-theme-park coasters yet. I also haven't even gotten on cosmic rewind (after living here 2 months) because of the stupid V-que...

I'm a big fan of Everest for how quick and easy it is to get on. The other day, I did 7 runs in a row, with the exit leading right back into the single rider line lol. The smoothness also makes it comfy enough to not feel destroyed after getting off.
It actually feels like a lift hill version of Hagrids. and >>2724596 is right about the backwards part. that is one of the most disorienting feeling I've ever had on any coaster.

Overall, most underrated ride in Florida. I only rode it a few weeks ago for the first time, and it has climbed my ranks really quick

>>2724600
Also, I know Velocicoaster is always seen as the 'objectively best ride', and I definitely enjoy it, but it has already gotten quite the rattle. and even with express, I cant do it in under 25 minutes. It is just quite the ordeal, so I never do it more than once

>>2724588
>I’ve been on 5 B&M hypers (but not SFOG Goliath)
It's fine but not great imo. Definitely not worth going out of one's way to ride. I don't care about positive G's though, between that and it not having a 200+ foot drop, it just seems overhyped.

>>2724600
Apparently the CMs at GOTG don't care if you show up late so you can just book a queue at 7 and then show up later in the day

Best Orlando park for a solo adult?
Feeling the blues and I just want to walk around somewhere nice in this cooler weather and try a few new things. I don't like coasters more intense than Cheetah Hunt at busch gardens. Magic Kingdom is my favorite park by a long shot, but I went earlier this year and I've barely even been to other Disney parks. I've never been to Universal because I'm waiting to go with my parents for my first time.
I'm mostly torn between Hollywood studios and Animal kingdom.

I briefly considered Epcot but didn't see anything it offers that appeals to me, especially when Test track is down. I may change my mind, though.

>>2724763
I should clarify that I haven't been to anything but MK and busch gardens in at least 10 years. I only have vague memories of being at Epcot as a kid in the early 2000s. I'm not a drinker either which is always the Reddit Disney Millenial appeal.

>>2724763
EPCOT and Animal Kingdom are the best parks to walk around in my opinion. It really depends on whether you're more interested in world cultures/history or wildlife.

>>2720096
Yo I'm going to go to the hong kong disney land at the end of the year and i'm wondering should I bring a relative for the fun of it or just try to take all the rides myself over a day?

>>2724600
Since you live there you might want to check out White Lightning at least, that's supposed to be a good GCI. It's a woodie but the support structure is steel. Mine Blower is part woodie part steel and also with steel supports but that one has mixed reviews for roughness even after the new RMC track. The Fun Spots don't charge for parking or admission and they have pay-per-ride options. Plus they're always open late (that's their thing, to attract people coming from parks after they close). The one in Kissimmee is attached to Old Town which is a nice little tourist trap full of bars and gift shops (that also sell alcohol you can consume outside).. that's the one with Mine Blower

>>2724625
I didn't even realize it had a sub 200ft drop. I wasn't going to go out of my way to ride it but on the way to Florida next year was considering stopping there and also the Atlanta Fun Spot for Arie Force One. But after watching Poseidon Entertainment's review I might pass won Arie and probably SFOG altogether and go to Carowinds again instead.

>>2724864
Carowinds standout coasters are better than SFOG's standouts, but I think SFOG is the superior park. It has a better atmosphere, and the quality of the rides is more consistent. Carowinds has great rides but it also has some duds. Plus SFOG has Monster Mansion which might be the best non-Disney or Universal dark ride in America. If I had to choose between the two parks, I'd take Six Flags personally.

>>2724442
Looking on forums it seems the 14 day tickets will only have 1 Epic day for 2025. Beginning in 2026 it'll be the same rules as for the other parks.
Guessing that Epic tickets will be a la carte at the beginning so no special deals.
>>2724601
I noticed Velocicoaster had a bit of a rattle too which nobody seems to talk about. It is still my #1 but it definitely doesn't seem as enjoyable as it was a year or two ago (though maybe it's because I'm used to riding it)

>>2724897
I know they've got to prevent insane crowds but that seems like a huge mistake that will piss people off even more than the park reservation system at Disney. On a 14 day ticket it's kinda laughable only getting 1 day at what could be the entire reason people are booking a holiday for. They don't even sell single day tickets to British visitors.

>>2724066
>Hey plebians
>We're removing as many areas as possible that you would previously be able to hang out in for 30 minutes like Tom Sawyer Island
>You'll be spending even more time in queues now!
>And you'll have to pay triple or quadruple to actually ride everything.
>But you can only earn that privilege by staying at a DELUXE (TM) RESORT.
>Yes, we used to give even the poors in tents at Fort Wilderness full Resort Guest (TM) perks, but even though those are up to $100+ a night to set up your dinky tent, you deserve nothing for being so poor.
5 years later
>Why is everyone going to Universal?
>All our new resorts are only at 20% capacity
>DON'T YOU LIKE FRONT TIRE LAND?
>DON'T YOU LIKE THE COUNTRY BEARS AND TIKI BIRDS SINGING DISNEY SONGS?
>WHY DON'T YOU LIKE THE INDIANA JONES OVERLAY TO DINOSAUR AFTER WE COMPLETELY MURDERED THE CHARACTER IN DIAL OF DESTINY?
>We put baby Yoda in the Millenium Falcon ride, please come back! We need money!
>Overpriced food at a pirate tavern! You want that right?
>Test track is going suck less again and still doesn't have cartoon characters! Please come to Epcot!
>You loved Zootopia right? We replaced the bug 3D show with Zootopia! You'll have to visit to see the sequel right?
>No one minds that we're maybe removing MuppetVision 3D, the final project Jim Henson personally worked on, right?
>Please please please, give Iger your money.

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Bit of British park news I missed. Chessington World of Adventures gave a lot more details of their huge rework. Most of it is stuff they've said before, moving a lot of the animal enclosures to a new location to make the zoo a bit closer knit, building a small indoor waterpark hotel.

New stuff is them removing a few of the older kiddie flat rides and moving their disc-o-coaster, adding a kid zone (like cebeebies land) and adding a new zone (rumoured to be Minecraft themed) with a new indoor coaster, probably an intamin multi-launch or sfx coaster. Chance they're giving the park Alton Tower's Project Horizon as that seems to have stalled.

>>2724874
I do want to see Monster Mansion some day. Well… apparently my all park Cedar Point pass works at every Six Flags starting in January. I’ve still got many months to decide. My kids really liked the kids area at Carowinds though.. which was impressive and is getting plussed next season. I thought the atmosphere was surprisingly good too, more charm than I was expecting.

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>>2724901
>give Iger your money
No way Iger is still CEO after 5 more years, he's gonna be replaced simply for being too old.
Eisner was ousted when he was 63, Iger is now 73.

>>2724901
>no complaints about the Monsters Inc Door Coaster or Villains Land
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>2724967
NTA but they specifically mentioned Muppetvision possibly going, and the Villains land is almost certainly going on the northwest half of the river

>>2724897
I just rode velocicoaster again today, and realized its the trains that cause the rattle.

Got a train with fully functioning lighting, lap bars had no wiggle, and full ride was smooth.
Seems like they just need to repair the rest of the trains and it should be good as new! most of the trains seem to be in rough shape

>>2724901
The truth is that Universal will flop as well, theme parks are just becoming too expensive for the average person to visit.

>>2724901
>All our new resorts are only at 20% capacity
Well by then hotel prices will have increased by 80% so it evens out.

>>2725067
>becoming too expensive
That's a weird way to say they've been made too expensive by short-sighted price increases. When parks are reporting 40% profit margins, you don't have to be a genius to realise it's not sustainable.

>>2725081
Nothing about modern megacorps like Disney are sustainable.

>>2724967
villains land is nothing but a concept right now lol

You guys ever notice that screen rides at Universal are looked down on, but are loved at Disney?

I don't understand the hype around flight of passage. it felt like just a more high tech version of soarin'. both of which are basically the same rides as Jimmy fallon and Simpsons, which are never popular...
Maybe its just the immersive que that gets people excited?

>>2725121
Depends on the quality of the ride as well. Nobody shittalks Universal's Spider-Man ride, but Disney's is a laughingstock

>>2725121
>it felt like just a more high tech version of soarin'. both of which are basically the same rides as Jimmy fallon and Simpsons
Nah flying theatres are different enough from regular simulator rides.

>>2724967
I was working from memory, but the MuppetVision part was about Monsters potentially replacing that area, and there are too few details on a Villain land to say anything about it yet.

>>2725067
Universal isn't as much. I mean I could afford to stay at one of Universal's most expensive hotels if I wanted to. I don't think I'll ever stay at the Animal Kingdom Lodge.

>>2725154
Are Universal not planning price hikes on their hotels in anticipation of Epic Universe?

>>2725158
That wouldn't surprise me, but right now the prices at all their hotels are extremely reasonable, and if I really wanted to, staying at their most expensive places is within my reach. But Disney's deluxe ones aren't.

>>2724601
>>2724897
>>2724998
>rattle
You guys need to stop with this. Wheels get out of round/out of true and short of rewheeling the train every week there's nothing a park can do about it. Ride an old Vekoma or Arrow looper if you want to experience discomfort

>>2725169
>rewheeling the train every week
How much would that cost?

>>2725169
Just because there are worse coasters doesn't mean they shouldn't work to improve the ride

>>2725180
Too much, that's why wheels are replaced on an as-needed basis

>>2725187
>boo hoo hoo it rattled
Soft

>>2725067
That's basically the equivalent of saying "it's too crowded, no one goes there."

A price puts supply and demand in equilibrium. The price is caused by the demand. If demand goes down, the price will too.

It could be that a corporation overinvests and makes a product that's more expensive than people want to pay. It really does not seem to me like that's what's going on. People are paying high prices because demand is high. Companies are expanding supply so they can charge those prices to more people.

>>2725081
The high margins are a function of demand outpacing the ability of sellers to scale up the supply. Eventually more competitors will enter the industry and the existing players will scale up their operations and margins will go down.

I don't understand how that makes the prices short-sighted, though.

No offense, but please study economics.

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>>2725614
This thing is really impressive.

>>2725347
Orlando theme park tourism was down again this summer and Disney couldn’t fill their hotels. They even ran hotel deals and a summer ticket deal, the first such ticket deal in recent memory that wasn’t Florida residents only. And they blamed everything except themselves and their prices. Global warming. Rebound tourism cooling off. People waiting for Epic. Etc. Apparently almost half of vacationers who take a Disney vacation go into debt for them. And we all know that adults are now their biggest consoomers, many of them without children. How are they going to produce future fans to help fill the parks? The business model isn’t sustainable in the long term

When do epic universe tickets go on sale?

>>2726029
>Apparently almost half of vacationers who take a Disney vacation go into debt for them
That is fucking nuts. Kind of disgusting honestly.

>>2726070
You should always put holidays onto a credit card anyway. So long as they're able to pay it off within a year, it's not too bad.

$6000+ is a lot of liquid cash

Does anybody know what's still closed at BGT from the hurricane? Queue times must not be accurate because it's been saying Serengeti Flyer is open but that's been walled off since before the Hurricane due to S&S installing the cables backwards and ruining it. It also says Iron Gwazi is running but I've read it's been closed since the hurricane, confirmed in a YouTube video last week. Phoenix Rising and Falcon's Fury were also closed.. but the Sky Ride was working. Haven't seen any news since and their site and app don't say.

>>2726199
>but the Sky Ride was working
It's complete bullshit that they charge extra to ride it if you're not a passholder. Same with the observation tower at Sea World. Admission should get you access to all attractions.

>>2726204
Agreed. Swan boats at SeaWorld I can see as an up charge for capacity reasons. Observation tower though? They have that same tower at other parks for free. Von Roll sky rides are a dying breed but the one in BGW is not an upcharge. The one at SeaWorld San Diego is though and that's probably where they got the idea. They claim the alternative at BGT is removing the attraction but this could set a bad precedent.

>>2725349
>Eventually more competitors will enter the industry
I doubt it, the theme park industry is not something easy to break into. American Heartland is pretty much DOA. Islands of Adventure struggled until Wizarding World. Even Magic Kingdom struggled until its first holiday season. Very few companies have the money to compete with Disney and Universal spending power.

I do predict that already-existing regional parks will market themselves more as destinations (we're already seeing this happening with Dollywood and now Silver Dollar City) and this could affect tourism trends to Orlando. Universal is also dabbling in regional parks with their Texas park that's geared toward families with children.

£400 for 14 days universal with 1 day at Epic Universe (no other way to buy)

Annoying. Now only slightly less than 14 day Disney tickets

>>2726244
Just got to the front of the queue on the US site. No single day tickets available anywhere. Park to busy to do it all in a day? Tough shit unless you pay another $500.

Guess I'm not doing it this year because fuck that.

>>2726248
Single day tickets will probably go up at a later date. Considering it's been 6 hours and even opening day hasn't sold out, I think they made the right move in starting off by selling multi-days.
Sucks for international guests though, if 14 days is the only option.

prices are up for epic universe vacation packages.
all prices I show are for 1 person for a 5 night stay labor day week (slowest week of year). packages start at $1096 (was $880 last year same week)

helios grand hotel costs about half of the other signature collection hotels, but does not include express pass for the 2 older parks. getting a park view from a standard room is an extra $346.

all park ticket lengths include ONE day at epic universe but for a 6 day stay you can cheat it by buying two 3 day tickets in order to get two days at epic. one 5 day park hopper ticket costs $495 (6 day tickets don't exist) and two 3 day tickets cost a combined $890

single day tickets will be available for this week at a later time, but if you want two guaranteed days NOW it costs an extra $395 to visit epic universe for a second time in one trip.

>>2726255
>>2726256
This feels like they're way too overconfident.

If the Magic Kingdom could be a ghost town on opening because of the "it's too busy" factor, they really are taking a huge risk. Even opening up the tickets later may be too late.

Disneyland Splash Mountain doing press previews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw1kJDtFBqU

Seems a lot like they designed both rethemes around Disneyland first as it works a bit better. There is a lot less dead space as it has pretty much everything from the MK version but in a ride that's 3-4 minutes shorter. The whole "looking for band members" story still doesn't quite work and the final drop is still terrible though.

>>2726260
They'll be able to gauge demand from this and adjust. They are way too overconfident though. The park looks great and has generated lots of hype and interest. I just don't think it's enough to warrant these ticket limitations. Happy to be wrong.

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>>2726260
the concept of "it's gonna be too busy, lets not go" does not exist in the universal fan's mind.

or gee, maybe they want opening day to be a pleasant experience for people that are actually there?

>>2726273
I feel everyone got caught by surprise by that which is why everyone rushed in boarding passes for new rides. A new ride is also very different to a new park as you've the "people who were going anyway" added on to it.

Most of the rides at Epic Universe (aside from the flats and maybe Wolfman and Donkey Kong) are extremely high capacity, It should cope with crowds better than almost any other park.

>>2726276
There's only 11 rides and 2 shows, I wouldn't say it can cope extremely well. Plus having only one entrance/exit for each land might not bode well for crowd flow.

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>>2726270
The light beams from the climb look better. MK has theirs caught on the ceiling.

>>2726281
How many rides and shows did universal Florida, IOA, and all the other Orlando parks have at opening?

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epic universe will have express pass on opening day, they just aren't for sale yet.

>>2726270
It should just be the movie as a ride heavily featuring Dr. Facilier.

>>2726151
>So long as they're able to pay it off within a year, it's not too bad.
>20%+ interest on mosr credit cards
If you can zero the balance every month, you're getting scammed.

>>2726600
Or just bring back Facility as a spirit for the drop, they already had him return for sorcerers of the magic kingdom.

>>2726029
>How are they going to produce future fans to help fill the parks? The business model isn’t sustainable in the long term
I want to know how they're going to fill their rooms in new resorts. Apparently the hotel on the former site of River Country (next to the Tri Circle D ranch) is back in full swing.
How the heck would you fill another Wilderness Lodge-sized building on that side of Bay lake?

>>2726603
Depends if it’s still going to be a DVC resort.

>>2726602
>"So you want to help her band? Make a deal with me and I'll help you make a big splash"
>singing tiki masks on the walls
>his shadow following and taunting the boats on the way up
>Either a projection onto a mist wall over the drop or an animatronic of him wearing the neon mask
>"I hope you're satisfiiiiiied"

It's so fucking easy.

>>2726612
You can even keep the Odie animatronic before the drop, just make it so that she's saving you instead of "getting you to the party".

>>2726603
Hopefully they did a re-design because the proposed shit looked ugly just like the towers going in between polynesian and grand floridian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfrIImuWBW0

RIP

being removed at the end of the season. Part of their move to making it more of a theme park, adding a viking area. Wonder if they'll still keep strictly to family coasters or go "family+" and do a multi-launch.

>>2726601
This is what I do. I use a CC for everything and pay off the balance every month. But if you spend beyond your means, as many people do, you can't do this.

>>2726701
That's all they make now is ugly sterile and soulless hotels. It's one thing for a McDonalds to have a soulless "modern" look that can quickly be converted into a dentist office in the future. But Disney doing it on their own property that's always going to be a hotel makes no sense. They always made highly-themed hotels full of intricate details. Some of those details have been replaced with boring sterile nothingness. Others have been changed to out-of-place and out-of-theme IPs. There is little to no creativity left in their so-called "imagineering".

Enjoy what's left while you can because one of these days it won't be there. I can see them replacing detail in the lodges, the little animals carved into things, with Inside Out and Zootopia characters. Completely out-of-place and out-of-theme but that's what they do and Disney Adults and pixie dusters love it. For me, those old bits of Imagineering are the only reasons to still go there.

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>>2726821
Happening at Disneyland Paris too. Disney Village has a neat 90s asthetic (albeit run down now) and they're replacing it with a sterile modern shopping mall look.

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>>2726829
I don't get why they don't think people don't want in your face theming.

Would the Chocolate Emporium at Universal get half the customer base if it didn't look like a bit chocolate factory?

>>2726821
I wonder what drives Bob to approve such soulless projects. It cant all be money focused, there has to be some deeper reasoning behind it. I refuse to believe they serious think the lack of "disney theming" is whats stopping people from staying at their hotels.

>>2726605
Explain for a poorfag who never looked into their dumb timeshare program.

>>2726839
DVC isn't really a timeshare, it's buying blocks of bookings. You pay a lump sum and an annual fee and get a number of points every year that can be spent on any DVC location.

You save money on rooms compared to typical prices, get room sizes you can't get otherwise without paying an insane amount and get a few random perks (special annual passes, lounges, and random other stuff) . Also the Disney price rises outpace inflation so over time your savings increase.

When you're fed up of it, your contract is sellable (minus a fee) and generally worth more than you paid for it.

>>2726832
If a concept like >>2726831 doesn't work out, they can easily replace it with something different without re-theming it (the same can't be said for the Chocolate Emporium). Still, that doesn't explain the hotels like Riviera and the additions to legacy hotels.

The company is run by sterile and soulless un-creatives who probably think theming is tacky and winds up looking dated after a few years. This was the reason why Vegas casinos got rid of that excellent 90s theming in casino hotels like the Luxor. They claimed it increased revenue.... not sure how though. Removing the Egyptian theming from an Egyptian pyramid casino is fucking stupid. Poseidon Entertainment did a good video series called 'theme parks were better in the 90s' that went over the 90s theming everywhere that disappeared. And of course the theming at Disney's parks and resorts that peaked in the 90s and is being stripped away despite theming being a core part of that experience. But maybe that's no longer true to the current new fanbase.. they seem to go there primarily for shitty rides based on mediocre franchises.

>>2726832
Iger came from ABC television he doesn’t understand quality. Eisner was into architecture, and art some of that spirit trickled down into the parks.

>>2726816
or spread out your purchases. book the flights one month, book the hotel the next month, then everything else during the vacation

>>2723920
>>2724588
Ok I finally got on cosmic rewind, so I've now been on every notable ride in FL.

Its a great ride, but I have such a hard time ranking decent rides that are easy to get on vs great rides that are a pain...

>>2726870
Thanks for the summary.
How would this affect occupancy at the resort replacing River Country?

>>2727240
Not him but it depends if there’s still enough demand for DVC bookings.
Like did those recent properties on Ford Wilderness and Polynesian sell out yet?

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I had the opportunity to visit both Busch Gardens parks within a month of each other, and now I present my findings from each. (1/2)

>BGW
Went on a nice Friday afternoon/evening, had an easy time getting parking right next to the gate and waltzing onto rides with sub-5 minute waits. Alpengeist and Verbolten were unfortunately closed, but there was still plenty of other shit to see and do.
Loch Ness is probably my favorite Arrow coaster given the setting and interlocking loops, but the ride is still fairly rough even after the refurbishment. I could barely get my legs to fit in the seats which made it all that much more painful. 4/10.
Griffon is a great ride, but gimmicky. There's really not much else to it other than the seating arrangement and vertical drops. Smooth and forceful, but the best parts are terribly short. 8/10.
Invadr is waaaaay far away from everything else, though I liked it a lot. Had an interesting layout and comfortable MF seats, except empty trains were rough and slightly painful. Much more entertaining than it looks in videos. 7/10.
Tempesto is a sky rocket II copy-paste, 5/10.
Apollo's Chariot is hands-down my favorite ride at BGW, I went on that shit 7 times in a row because I enjoyed it so much. Smooth, forceful, beautifully set, and no-fuss. Masterpiece, 9.5/10.
Pantheon has an incredibly unique layout and offers strange sensations, though I did find the lack of theming to be abhorrent and detract from the entire experience. It's certainly worth a few rides due to the crazy mid-section multi-launch, as long as you ignore the empty grass field it sits on. 8/10.
There were some animal exhibits and a few flat rides I liked (the swing in the Ireland section is fantastic), though I was disappointed in the ride closures and confusing park layout. Certainly a fantastic park either way, the theming is appropriate without being annoying, and the operations are quick and smooth. I'd love to go back when everything is fully open some day.

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>>2727599
>BGT
Scooted over on a thursday morning before my evening flight, so I was in a bit of a time crunch. Still got in 4-5 hours though.
Cheetah Hunt is a cute launch coaster with a very scenic windcatcher tower, though I wish it had one or two more inversions. Some good ejector air, some nice laterals into curves, neat layout. 8/10.
Cobra's Curse is honestly one of the best family coasters I've been on. The ride layout is a bit disappointing for the first and second sections, but the free-spinning section can really fuck you up if you get lucky. I really hate the queue though, it's way too fucking dark and long. 7/10.
Montu is a blast and a relentless B&M invert, basically Kumba without a floor. Really interesting layout through some fake ruins, super aggressive batwing, and an unpredictable series of elements. 9/10.
Phoenix Rising is a kiddie version of Montu. Good for the intent, but pretty lame overall. 5/10.
Kumba is in my top 3 favorite rides for sentimental reasons, but it still kicks ass after all these years. Each element goes right into the next one and the pacing is fabulous. 9.5/10.
Sheikra is a slightly worse Griffon. 7.5/10.
Iron Gwazi might just be the greatest roller coaster ever, only held back by its lack of theming. Incredibly fast, incredibly forceful, and absolutely throttles you in the Death Roll. The restraints were slightly uncomfortable due to the shin padding, but I got over it pretty quick. 9.5/10 overall but a 10/10 experience.
The fact that BGT has a full zoo attached makes it all the more worthwhile, even if the exhibits seem prohibitively small for the animals there. The park can be a bit steamy and uncomfortable most days due to the location and heat, though I found it extremely worth it in the end. I still wish I got a chance to try Falcon's Fury. Definitely recommend going in the off-season to get the max value you can out of the rides. Remember to drink lots of water to avoid nausea!

>>2726947
Iger was the guy who ruined Twin Peaks by the way. You make a horrible decision like that and Disney rewards you for it.

Am I a pleb if I loved HHN at Hollywood this year? There were some real flaws and failures and things I would have done different but man this event is still so fucking fun. Definitely worth going to especially with a 2 PM day-night ticket and express. You basically get Super Nintendo World all to yourself for 3 hours and four really good houses are right there when you get out.

>>2728081
I really enjoyed it. Biggest problem was the weak scare zones, the only one they put effort into was the one designed to sell drinks (which were also not great which is a shame). I know Hollywood has less walkways for this sort of thing but it felt lazy.

Weakest mazes were the Nuclear zombie one and the mrs helsing ones. Unexpectedly the IP ones were the best (including The Weekend's). Terror Tram was meh, outside of a really neat start, Blumhouse having nothing to offer outside of slashers and them annoyingly shouting at you to move on past the lot houses made it pretty rubbish.

>>2728089
I agree completely! I would have loved to see a fifth scare zone in the lower lot, or even an IP zone like Treehouse of Horror or Death Eaters in Hogsmede. Monster luchadores was a fun concept though and I love how they used smoke and lights to make it harder to pick scare actors out of an approaching crowd until they’re right on top of you. Monstros was pretty fun too with all the elaborate costumes and giant puppets.

Dead exposure seemed like it couldn’t decide between goofy high concept sci-fi or more realistic military experimentation and I wish it would have gone full camp like Major Sweets in Orlando. I kind of liked Bloodlines though, if only because it’s interesting to see a house with monsters getting brutalized. And whoever was playing Dracula’s daughter when I walked through was really hamming it up. Completely agreed about the weak terror tram though. It felt extremely disjointed and boring except for the Purge part at the end, which was still just weirdly dressed people swinging weapons at you.

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>>2728541
>Eddie Redmayne just confirmed that there won't be any more Fantastic Beasts films
uh oh, not very good timing

>>2728541
Universal posted a video showing some of the animatronics. They look fucking great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgoJT_mrn1E

>>2728584
They look awesome. Here's to hoping they're reliable.

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Only a week away to see if the replace Joe or the whole attraction.

>>2728588
Money matters more to them, and if Trump wins it'll be very cheap to put him back in his old spot. Though they probably have to redo his head for the third time to give it a working mouth.

>>2728588
Its funny to think that at a 53 year old park the only original attractions (not based on an existing IP nor imported from another park) left are this and space mountain. Its funnier to think the last thing they built that matched this criteria was 30 years ago.

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>>2728590
I hope so and not reuse the old head, which was probably never suppose to be him in the first place.

>>2728593
And even then you could consider this just an expanded version of great moments with mr lincoln.

Frozen Butterbeer
Cold Butterbeer
Hot Butterbeer
Butterbeer ice cream
Butterbeer fudge


Going to Universal Studios Hollywood for two days in November. Probably only going to have two or three of these at most. Which should I get?

>>2728807
Cold butterbeer in the morning/afternoon when it’s sunny, hot butterbeer when it’s chilly at night. Frozen is fun too but it’s basically just a slushie which isn’t too unique. The ice cream was great when I got it in Orlando. No idea about the fudge or potted cream. Also see if the 3 broomsticks is doing breakfast on the day you go because that’s pretty much the only good place for breakfast on property.

>>2728807
Every time I've tried hot butterbeer it was ass so I would completely skip it. Cold, frozen, and the icecream are all good but the cold weather might sour your experiences with the latter two. Cant hurt to try them all over the course of two days.

>>2728811
Gotcha

>>2728816
Noted! I will skip the hot butterbeer.

>>2728816
Oh shit, really? I had hot butterbeer a few days ago during horror nights and it was pretty great. Like someone liquified a butterscotch candy. I guess I might have gotten a good batch or something. Cold frozen and the ice cream are definitely the stars though.

>>2728828
Sounds like the jury's still out!

>>2727601
Somebody on Reddit pointed out that BFW always wins the award for most beautiful park and is in the middle of a beautifully forest with a river. Meanwhile BGT is beautiful park in the worst and ugliest part of Tampa, it’s gets much less respect than it deserves.

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>>2720096
Day 61 of living in Orlando
>I have entered a theme park 68 times since I got here. (even with a few days off)
>HHN and HoS are stale af, and I don't care if I never see another haunted house again
>I came here as a Universal fan, but I've started moving more towards Disney
>I'm realizing that every single park has 1-3 S tier rides, so I have to spread my visits out across every park
>I literally can not rank my top rides. I feel like I need a complex algorithm just to tell which ones I like more lol
>I'm finding theres lots of single girls that like to go to the parks, and they make perfect date spots too

I've had some ups and downs, but this has been the best decision I've ever made. It's been a wild ride so far...

Pitch me your theme park ideas. The winner will receive a blank check with which to bring their concept to life.