Original or Deluxe?
Is there a cut with just Lawrence Fishburn’s momma narrating the whole thing?
>>198570277Royale
>>198570277Bruh why does dude look like he's glazed in cum?
>>198570277>DeluxeYou mean Redux
this is on TCM tonight
>>198570419Because you’re a degenerate and would be the first beheaded if you arrived there on the boat
>>198570277Redux. I know the plantation scenes divided the fans, but more content is almost always good. Besides the original cut appears much more often in various platforms, so watching the Redux first gives you a better foundation for a potential comparison later on.
>>198570277Redux was my first watch and I'm glad it was
>>198571056>I know the plantation scenes divided the fans,Why though? its fantastic
>>198571079going from dangerous jungle river to wealthy western civilization feels weird.they couldn't find a way to bypass the river and get straight to a french owned plantation and start from there?were they that surrounded by enemy forces? then why were the french even discussing leaving or staying? they mustn't have a choice. how did they have such a spread if normal routes were unusable? if normal routes were safe and usable why didn't Willard and his team use them instead of risking their lives down this river?
>>198571079Me too, but I also understand those who claim they cause pacing issues. Most of the movie depicts a slow-burning journey towards a mysterious figure, and the French plantation acts as a major pause before the well-anticipated meeting. And you can tell it's coming, so the sudden stop might feel like an unnecessary time-waster before the grand finale.On top of that the Redux adds like 50 mins of new footage, putting the overall running time over 200 mins. And that's too much for some, especially that the majority of that 50 mins is centered around the said plantation. Though I think the added content enriches Apocalypse Now as a film, I don't treat them as an absolutely essential part of the experience.
theatrical first
>>198570277Theatrical cut is ideal. Deluxe has terrible flow.>>198570330Need it
>>198571056>but more content is almost always good.No.
>>198570277Original all the way. The pacing is better
>>198570820Prepare for tits that are all natural and glorious, TCM viewers
>>198570277Final or theatrical, and if you like it and want some more out of the movie the Redux. I feel like the extra segments and they give you more context in the story to consider, but it completely destroys the pacing.
I hope Alicia Malone introduces the movie tonight
>>198572108>Girl power!>Yay feminism
>>198572191It's Mankiewicz anyways
Is this the thread?
>>198571779>the majority of that 50 mins is centered around the said plantation.holy shit Redux fags should be shot thank got they cut that entire thing from the film.
>>198572402Coattail riding nepo baby TDS obsessive unfunny twat
Fishburne was 17 when he filmed this. Wild.
>>198573052>When production began in March 1976, he was just 14 years old, having lied about his age to get the part. Filming took so long that he actually was 17 years old upon its completion.
>>198571779>the French plantation acts as a major pause before the well-anticipated meeting.I thought the scene acted like a precipice/purgatory/crossing the Rubicon before the complete decent into madness
>>198571556The French are also surrounded by enemy forces too. I guess if they decided to leave they were going to have to fight their way out
>>198573082wow
>Bottoms may be best remembered for his role as surfer Lance B. Johnson, a Navy Gunner's Mate stationed on a river boat in Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now. Bottoms acquired hookworm during the chaotic production in the Philippines, and the parasite "wrecked his liver".
>>198570277the French plantation thing could only have worked if it occurred before the playboy stop off. to do it near the end after there had been this slow decent into insanity going up river made no sense.
Read the other day that "extreme prejudice" was a real CIA euphemism, but they used "eliminate" or something instead of "terminate".
Theatrical. even Coppola hated the redux so much he did the final cut
>>198570277>Original or Deluxe?Redux
Theatrical.This was the first time I actually experienced how much editing can ruin a film. The first time I watched this movie I watched the extended version that had all those scenes with the French and I absolutely hated the movie. Then years later I tried watching the theatrical cut and holy shit it's like watching a completely different movie, the theatrical version is one of my favorite movies ever. I still hate the extended version because it ruins the flow of the movie.
Any other notable films with extended cuts that are significantly different than the theatricals? Most "director's cuts" differ little in running time and content.
>>198573356this guy gets it.Fuck the French.
Voiceovers often suck but this is fucking mint from Sheen
I'm the only one keeping this thread going. Meanwhile, shitters can't get enough of Dune threads. /tv/ is weak.
>>198572000I don't remember tits in this movie
>>198574432Redux, guy
>>198574401coppola was the dennis villeneve of the 70s
>>198574432>>198574477in redux it was that hot ass french woman
>>198574602not. yikes. coppola's a universally acknowledged genius as well as a blockbuster maker
>>198574848you do realize that's what dennis villeneve fans say about him today right?
>>198573268Luckily there were copious amounts of drugs and booze on set to treat his condition.
>>198573356Make the anon cut
One interesting thing in Redux was the bit with Sheen laughing with the crew after stealing the surfboards. In the theatrical he never jokes or cracks a smile and I saw it dozens of times before Redux so it was a jolt.
>>198575148Yeah I always felt that part was weird. I also don't like how clean Kilgore's voice sounds on the loudspeaker when he's asking for the surf board back, it feels too 21st century.
>>198570277original theatrical cut
>>198573162But dudes point is that it doesn't make much sense they have as much resource access as they do on the plantations if there are no supply lines.
You're not supposed to take the French scene seriously, it's shrouded in fog at the beginning and end for a reason.
>>198575351Don't care. Ruins the pacing of the film
>>198575351That's just symbolism of the French colonial history "lingering like a ghost"It's not like it didn't happen.
>>198575635any time i have to suffer through french people it's bad
>>198574602please. Godfather or Apocalypse Now alone are better than Villenumeme's entire filmography multiplied times 10.
>>198574881no, i didn't. that's preposterous. but it's partly, maybe mostly, the screenwriters' fault - scripts lack depth and humanity and characterization and narrative now, so movies can look great but have no soul.
I think I get what they were going for with this part, but it does drag.
>>198575351ridiculous take.
>>198575744the only based directors are guys like peckinpah, ford, milius, frankenheimer, friedkin, kubrick, walter hill. coppola is a neurotic, self-absorbed hack
>>198570277Redux. The plantation scene is great.
>>198570277Theatrical/original
>>198575351Metaphorical readings inflame the board's collective spergdom.
plantation scene sucks
>>198571079Because they are retarded. They are the same people who watch bladerunner theatrical cut.
>>198575826still a horseshit take
>>198575351Based and correct takeAlso the French plantation scene was my favorite part of the film, doesn’t ruin the pacing, does feel like pausing for air in Rivendell before falling into Moria
>>198575776Coppola said in one interview going up river was going to be like going back in time.
>>198575351The only French scene I’ll take seriously.
>>198575860>>198575351absolute retards.
>>198575862that makes sense. other anon said baselessly it's not to taken seriously.
>>198575898>seriouslyNTA but he obviously meant “literally”, just like Coppola wasn’t literally saying that the boat was a time machinet. Non-autist who can read contextually
>>198575862neat. I read it as slowly losing your mind.
>>198575898I meant you're not supposed to be wondering why the vietcong haven't overrun this little plantation with a couple dozen frogs or how they're getting ammunition. It is a serious addition to the themes of the film.
>>198576014i know that. did you think i thought he meant it was a comedic scene? i'm not the autist here.
>>198576047they have wealth, connections, and a merc army, that's how
Baudelaire, Kipling, and Eliot quotations - imagine that in the kind of trash movies we get now
>>198570277Harrison Fords best role and movie.
>>198576090>comedic sceneNo, but keep missing context, autist. Or maybe you’re just ESL
>>198576141ad hominem attacks can't compensate for your lack of critical thinking. you're calling strangers names on a movie thread. examine your life
>>198576136For me it's the receptionist in the Conversation
>>198576280can't picture her
>>198576291him
>>198576280Forgot that one. Nice choice!
The horror...of this thread
>>198576938thanks for keeping it alive anon
>>198573853Alien kinda. The extended version shows what happened to the characters the Xenomorph captured and like Apocalypse Now it was supposed to be cut due to pacing reasons.
>>198576966same to you
>>198570277redux is the worst way to watch. stealing the surfboard was the stupidest shit, the bunnies scene made no sense, brando being out in daylight shows how fat he is which they were trying so hard to conceal previously
>>198576975interesting
>>198576996same anon with the other bad takes?surfboard adds absurdity and shows willard's increasing bond with crew of the PRBfat brando MAKES the character both physically and spirituallybunnies scene shows the madness of the war, breaks the monotony of the river journey, also tits add commercial appeal
>>198573853Ridley Scott's Kingdom Of Heaven. Ridley Scott's Legend 1985.Blade RunnerMaybe it's just a Ridley Scott thing.
>>198573853Donnie Darko
>>198570277Deluxe without question
>>198570277the theatrical cut is perfect my only gripe has ever been that the French american guy dies
>>198577597tard
>>198571056>more content is almost always goodFuck off Ridley
Redux if you have never watched the movie before.People always go with the "LE PACING" argument but those that do are most likely simply parroting the line to fit in because they read it somewhere.The people that genuinely think it messes with the pacing are the people that have already watched the theatrical so their standard of what the pacing of the movie should be is completely different.
>>198578382Chef? he dies in the redux too
>>198571079Way too long.
All you need is the original plus the Hearts of Darkness documentary. It includes enough clips to give a taste of what's in Deluxe which is all you need.
>>198571056Nonsense. Redux changes the tone way too much for the worse with all those extra scenes.
>>198571959Correct
when you're done watching apocalypse....good follow ups include-come and see, the captain(2017),jacob's ladder, das boot
>>198575148>>198575178This is where Redux is more of a zany surf movie, and theatrical is more of a masterpiece.
>>198573853Once Upon A Time In America's extended cut is basically a different filmThe theatrical version (shown in the US) was dogshit and ruined Noodles' arc
>>198570277Both. 2 faces of the same coin. Heart of Darkness for good measure of course. It makes sense for Hollywood to get rid of the French plantation scenes for instance, but it also adds so much atmosphere to Coppola's vision. The slow paced onirism in all these missing scenes add to the apocalypse. There isn't a best edit IMO. It's just 2 different seasoning of the same 3 Michelin star dish.
>go to any redux scene youtube video>scroll down to the comments>"pacing bad" every other commentactivates your almondsif you trust youtube zoomers as a source of knowledge then you know what to do I guess
>>198570277Wasted Playboy bunny after-party plis
>>198579448I feel like original fans are marvel tier movie fans who just came for some war actionRedux fans are kino fans, who enjoy the movie itself, separate from its themeThe iq separation could not be more evident
honestly fuck vietnam korea wwii wwi civil...all fuckin useless pieces of retardation and rot
>>198570277Ive seen the version on Amazon prime and saw no flaw in it. I don't know which one.
>>198570277had the reducks auto-tuned on TCM. last part I remember was Clean getting shot. fell asleep. is it worth it to watch the whole thing?
>>198570419It was a different time
>>198570277Redux but when you see the fog part towards the end just skip ahead like 30 minutes. Solved the thread for you guys. You're welcome.
>>198581284why do midwits hate the plantation scene so much? It's kino.>the egg yolk scene>smoking opium with the girl who lost her "hoosban">accordion guy getting his ass kicked (literally) for abruptly playing the star spangled bannerThe viewer gets context on the setting through the frenchman's explanation to Willard of of the french colonial history in the region and the events leading up to US intervention, you see Willard begin to accept the futility of it all, it sets the stage for the descent into the primitive savagery up river. His men are dying and it marks the turn for his character, he's not strutting around "in command" as much after clean gets killed as he was in the earlier scenes of the film, he's more reserved and just trying to survive. The playboy bunny fuel stop scene also important and is a look behind the mask of the silly debauchery and surfing adventures in the first act. Like the frenchman says the capitalist vision isn't sustainable there, you see behind the facade of the extravagant USO show and it's mentally ill whores stranded in filth with dead bodies lying around and troops unable to cope when their leadership falls apart.There's this theme of resilience in the face of futility that runs through the movie. Capitalism is fickle and non comitted, the walls are closing in on the colonialists despite their dedication, and there's this sense of impending doom from the overwhelming perseverance of the communists. Kurtz's only answer was to reject it all and turn to sheer brutality as a last resort in an attempt to salvage some kind of victory, to win an any cost with primitive savagery. Without the added redux scenes it really does seem like Willard is a reluctant order taker like Kurtz first reads him, the ending fits better in the redux imo because you get the sense Willard understands Kurtz. Kurtz only lets him free when he knows that Willard "gets it", and grants Willard final judgement over him.
>>198581764so, don't get off the boat is what you're saying?
>>198570407On a raft.
>>198570909>>198581215not him but I like both of these answers equally for different reasons
>>198575805>peckinpahI watched Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia and it had some of the worst pacing I'd ever seen in a movie
>>198570419No access to women in the army, so he had to do it with his buddies.
>>198571056>more content is almost always goodNo. The pacing of Redux completely changes the feel of the movie. It's okay to watch after you've seen and liked the Theatrical, but just because it has 'more content' does not mean it's good. Most films have hours of content that was not edited into the final cut, throwing it all in does not make a better movie.
>>198575351>le fog makes it le artbwhahaha
Neither. It's a shit propaganda movie.> Bad things happened but we wuz good guys in Vietnam!Were you fuck. You were ALL filthy disgustijng animals fighting people for... money. In the end you subhuman american predators were btfo by a bunch of manlets in rice paddies and were forced to flee with your stumpyu little tails between your legs. What a nation of cowardly losers. So Hollywood had to step in and make shit up to save your fragile little egos being the joke that you goyslopping fatass sub-intelligent mutt losers are.lol
>>198583307at least watch the movie first.
