Only just watched it but what the actual fuck was that finale?
>>198584694What issue did you take with it Anon?
>>198584680
>>198584731Too fat
>>198584855It was a sign of wealth and status.
Glad this gay tv show finally got cancelled
>>198584680>watch the original >it's so fucking corny and cheesyEven boomers acknowledge the 2024 series is better. Only contrarian zoomers prefer the 1980 version.
OSU WAKARIMAS!!! SEPPUKU DOZO!
>>198585386WAKARIMASEN ANON DONO!Both versions have their ups and down. For example - 2024 made Mariko strong wahmen character with big naginata that she use to wreck havoc upon male samurai and shinobi bastards. In 1980 version she wasn't like that.
Anyone who complained that the new show was too dark compared to the old one probably watched some shitty 720p version from a pirate streaming site on their shitty laptop or cheap 55" TV from 2012.I watched the 2160p Dolby Vision version on my 75" 4K OLED TV and it was pure eye candy, it actually looked like a movie as opposed to a soap opera which the old show basically was.
so we ended up subverted by subverting white savior trope. BRAVO fx
the original immersed you in the perspective of a foreigner being cast away in a strange land. no subtitles, no abrupt switches to different characters' perspectives (and if there were, it was to let you know what the Catholics were up to). they also pussed out in making toranaga evil, he's doing what he's doing cause some old hag said he should be shogun??? it's really gay. also the original show has actual color instead of everything being gray. nigstamp
>this will be my big breakthrough as leading role in new series
>>198586002>Mariko strong wahmen character with big naginata that she use to wreck havoc upon male samurai and shinobi bastards. In 1980 version she wasn't like that.Touch grass.
>threads slowing down
>>198588235>slowingwe are the blackthorn ship in ep10
>>198587932Tell me more about strong females, anon dono!
>>198584680/sho/ 1980's series watchparty when?
This wasn't the white savior story I was promised.
>>198584680I liked it when that samurai peed on anjinsan
>>198585386>Even boomers acknowledge the 2024 series is better. Only contrarian zoomers prefer the 1980 version.56 year old "boomer" here, who watched the 1980 mini-series when it was broadcast and the fact is, while it's not perfect, it is better then the 2024 mini-series, which turned Blackthorn into a bumbling dumbass NPC and side-lined him to propagandize stronk womyn Mariko.Why even buy the rights to the novel, it you're going to shitcan most of the original story?
>>198588541I support this someone should (not me, my internet connection is very bad) stream it
>>198584680I want subtitles or I'm not watching. The book explained what the Japanese were saying, The new series subtitles everything and it is a delight. I fucking love reading exactly what is being said and then how the translator changes the meaning, it is so kino and a huge part of my enjoyment of the new series.Fuck the creators intention to emphasise with the fish out of water experience. It was a bad decision and it gets boring real fast. It's boring as shit and needs to be remedied with complete subs of everything translated.
>>198586002>2024 made Mariko strong wahmen character with big naginata that she use to wreck havoc upon male samurai and shinobi bastardsLol that was in the book.
Show should have been called "women prattling about their love affairs" instead of "Shogun".
>>198587263>it actually looked like a movieMOVIES LOOK LIKE SHIT NOW LOL.It's all a desaturated soup of foggy shite no matter how bright your monitor is. You might as well watch a black and white movie LOL. Cinema is dead because they killed color. Your eyes are feasting on shit, you have shit taste and are eating shit.
>>198589223They should do partial subtitles that increase as blackthorn learns more japanese
>>198589352No, I want full and perfect subtitles from the fucking start. Your idea takes way too long. Fish out of watering the viewer is CRAP and never good. No quarter!
>>198589223i understand jp enough to semi listen to their lines and not have to check subtitle, i normally read subtitltes because im an ESL so its a lot less effort but for some reason reading subittled japanese triggers my brain and it fucking sucks to have to read and check what's being said
>>198589406JuvenileThere's also way less Japanese speaking scenes in the show to balance it and Blackthorne is in every scene
/sho/, what are some top tier chinos? Some time ago I was on a chanbara vibe and saw great chinos like Harakiri. I also liek Love Exposure.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX32Aj-5OVo
Where do we go from here, weebs?
>>198589468>JuvenileThat makes no sense. Go watch some Mongolian political talk show without subtitles if you are so mature that you enjoy watching people talk in a language you don't understand.Verification not required.
>>198589309It's as if you didn't read the part about Dolby Vision and OLED TV's. Modern movies require modern TV's, looks like you got filtered as a poorfag.
>>198589591I could beat you up, I'm reasonably athletic and I lift, yeah I'm thinking I could kill you with my hands desu
>>198589633Hahaha. Too bad your brain's all dumb and shit.
>>198585386The only old dramatic TV shows that hold up are Lonesome Dove and The Prisoner.
>>198589625Whoa
>>198589514
>>198584694>No big BOOBA and no big XPLOSION. UM, when is the sequel to Spiderman coming out?Fuck off faggot
It's a shame they kicked all of Anjin's kids out of Japan in real life. It would be neat if he still had 20th generation (highly diluted) hapas wandering around Tokyo.
>>198589625>>198587263I watched it on an LG B9 OLED in 4k HDR and the show 100% was not eye candy. The show was still graded way too dark even in HDR. The colour grading was way too blue filtered and made everything look washed out and dreary. The vignetting was way too strong, making the image even darker and all of the cinematography had that annoying thing that modern netflix shows have where both the bottom and top of the screen are deliberately out of focus (pic related) and relied way too much on shallow depth of field. There was way too much CGI to account for scale (as seen in the flash forward to the war in episode 10 or the earthquake) which looked like shit. The cinematography was better than your average streamslop but it wasnt anything spectacular.
omg pls dont tell me this arc is gonna take more screentimei alrdy thought ep6 was worthless
>>198589971They probably went back eventually. Didn't much of Japan's overseas population have to return after WWII anyway?
>>198588775>Why even buy the rights to the novel, it you're going to shitcan most of the original story?same old same old of any modern series like witcher etc.>>198590039
>>198589851>Nothing happens therefore it's le goodThis kind of brainlet mentality caused the 'atmospheric slow burn ' trend that killed horror since 2016. I bet you are the kind of people that glazes better call Saul and hates breaking bad because it's so friggin superior
>>198590334lmao
>>198590334>1712843382712416.jpg (1.83 MB, 3200x3600)Not dark or blue eough.
shogun enjoyers all look like pic related prove me wrong protip YOU CAN'T
>>198590402Makes sense, that jak has white skin. Meanwhile this is who hates it.
>>198590369EVERYTHING happened in the finale you idiot. All threads were closed, and the plot was resolved. Characters arch's concluded, and it was all done in an organic way; And was done better than the satirical shitpost I done mocking what you brainlets expect from season finales.
>>198590402i still have some hair
TORANAGA-SAMA
>>198585386>watch the original>it's so fucking corny and cheesy>watch the new one>scenes are dragged on and plot is overexplained>visuals are blurred, the lenses are too small and there's clear vignetting and colors are mutedbookfags win by default
>>198590039Ok, fair points, but those issues can be mitigated with color/contrast adjustments. The blur is much less visible in motion than in a static image.
The great debate
>>198590039>where both the bottom and top of the screen are deliberately out of focusthat's what happens with old anamorphic lenses, if you watch an old 2.35:1 movie from the 70s you'll notice almost all the timeit's supposed to be moreCINEMATICINEMATIC
>Asian men hate the show because a white guy fucks Asian women >Catholics hate the show because John Blackthorne hates them >Protestants hate the show because John didn't do a whole lot to defeat the Catholics >Bookfags hate the show because it didn't copy the books 1:1 >Illiterates hate the show because they have to read subtitles >Zoomers hate the show because they think being contrarian makes them cool on /tv/>Boomers hate the show because a 1980 version exists and "Old Good, New Bad" is their slogan>/pol/ hates the show because it didn't have John become Shogun while turning Japan into his personal harem >Only the cultured few who wanted to see a story that remained authentic and true to the Japanese culture of the period enjoyed the show.
>>198591548I just wanted dialogue that didn't suck and sincerity in a sea of soulless quippy nonsense and I got it, so I'm satisfied.
Yes I will watch the 1980’s version>nooo you have to like Mariko-slop version better because… NEW THING GOOD!!1No, I don’t and no, new thing NOT (necessarily) good.
>>198588235>Threads are slowing down,>We draw closer to page 10,>Postless general.
>>198591189>those issues can be mitigated with color/contrast adjustmentsNo they can't. That's the real horror of movies in the current year. If you try to escape the desaturation you get raped in the ass by the color grading. Try cranking up the color saturation on one of those suckers, you'll find out that there are only two colors because of the artificially created color contrast by the grading. There's only going to be orange and teal, red and blue or green and purple depending on the scene.Why are you defending this shit? What is up with braindead morons like you constantly playing apologists for the status quo and making appeals to authority like a braindead zombie sheep. What is wrong with you faggots?
>>198591548YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>198591548>only actual japs and white weebs loved the showbased
More like 6/10gun
>>198591755
Its slow and boring and people die for no reasonbravo japan
>>198592567post the clip where she offers him a boy lol
Fuji is best girl.
>>198584731Cheap dollar store Halloween costume
>>198592670>iswasshe was best girlshe's gone now and i miss her
>>198587263funny how random movie from last century still looks great on my laptop monitoryou don't really watch movies i don't know why you comment, get off my movies subreddit
>>198587263You're correct but the contrarians don't want to admit it. Putting aside the muh blue filter shit this version is shot so much better. The 1980 is flat as fuck.
every time i watch a scene and there isn't a woman blabbering i am reminded how good this show would have been without the forced wom*nshitand then after the scene ends a wom*n starts blabbering and prattling about how hard is it to be a woman LIKE SHIUT THE FUCKK UPPPP I AM WATCHING A FUCKING SAMURAI SHOW FUCING SHUTTEHHHFHFFFUCKKKKUPPPPPPPFUCKING WHOREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The 8 fold fence thing only really applied to Toranaga. Nobody else really hid their true feelings
>>198584731lol that motherfucker looks exactly like the actor playing Blackthorne in the new series
>>198593481All the Portuguese stuff in the 80's show was done so much better
>>198585386Incorrect.
Would have preferred it if Tokugawa had sent the ninjas to kill Mariko would have been less generic, than ishido bad tokugawa good
>>198590334kek
>>198590334Kek
>>198588775> Why even buy the rights to the novel, it you're going to shitcan most of the original story?But boomeranon, the new show was closer to the book than the 80s series was.
>>198591201It's not much of a debate. OG series makes sense. 2024 one doesn't.
>>198593676>and mariko got out her ningata and fought off 10 men at once while arrows were shot at her, all were moved by such spirit and tenacity, all who saw realised Mariko was stronger than all samurai
>>198593676/tv/ is so up their own ass in contrarianism they will say this version threw out the book when that is objectively false. Meanwhile the 1980 version cut nearly all the scenes between Japanese characters.
>>198593687Have had this for like 15 years, think I'll watch it then watch this new one.
Folded over a thousand times.
>>198593920>>198593945Bluray is only three discs, three 3hr episodes instead of five episodes.
Do you reckon are John gave Fuji a farewell rogering
>>198594087
>>198594087Yes. Although it wasn't a farewell rogering because she stayed as his wife. Trust the plan.
I liked it (๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)
>>198584731John Rhys-Davis is kino and steals literally every scene he's in
>>198584680I don't get it, why is this screenshot not gray, is there color in Japan?
>>198589309Unfathomably based
>>198593857Sorry your show sucked you obnoxious faggotIt's simple really, both took from the book and cut things out, and what the old show used was better
>>198590512That's the problem with modern series, nothing happens and then everything happens at once right before the end. Because hack writers can't structure narratives, they think if they hold out all the story until the end it'll be super impressive and awesome which it isn't because the spectator didn't get the chance to get involved in the story and characters. It's like those short films that are totally pointless except for the big twist at the end, only those are just 10 minutes not 10 hours ffs
>>198591414>>where both the bottom and top of the screen are deliberately out of focus>that's what happens with old anamorphic lenses, if you watch an old 2.35:1 movie from the 70s you'll notice almost all the timeNo it doesn't you turd. In fact older films had much more depth of field because people didn't yet think muh shallow depth of field is le cinematic
>>198595455This is cope on a level I haven't seen before. The 1980 version cut out pretty much all of the Japanese politics. Every scene entirely between Japanese character that they'd have to subtitle was cut.
>>198593857My master says you are full of shit, anon dono!
>>198595552It was the early 80s and making Americans read subtitles might've spelled ratings death. Still a mistake in hindsight. More Japanese scenes should've been included and everything should've been subtitled. That's the only two things the new series did better, although the kinda overdid it with the Jap only scenes at times.
>>198595612>>198595552They already went way further than what was conventional in TV back then, if you watch other stuff from the time it's like Shogun is 20 years ahead of its time.Also the story works fine without jap politics autism, you have to trade off when writing for the screen and it's better to simplify and focus on the main character(s) rather than get lost in endless world-building.
>>198595691>when writing for the screen and it's better to simplify and focus on the main character(s) rather than get lost in endless world-building.Yeah, besides the fact that Toranaga is a main character and had tons of his own scenes cut because they involved talking in Japanese to other Japanese people.
>>198594222Shes so cute i love her
>>198595769His scenes with only Japanese in the new version might as well have been cut.
>>198584694It's garbage just like the book. Clavell got bored and needed to end the book quickly, so he just wrote a random ending for it.This has a worse sorry structure than random fanfiction you will find on the internet.>>198584716It's incomplete.
>>198595769Does the story as its told in the series not work fine tho? It does. It's just a slightly different story more focused on the personal experience of Blackthorne. Which means it's a good adaptation. It chose what it wanted to focus on so as to be more centered. That's good writing. You can never adapt 100% of a book, the thing is to intelligently choose what to keep and what to omit.
>>198595932It works fine as a story that is completely different from the book. An adaptation knows what to keep but keeps the spirit of the original source. If you cut all the politics of the book that are all about Toranaga's rise to the titular Shogun, then yeah it has issue as an adaptation.
>>198595922Kek, I thought it's only me. The beginning of the book is nice, but the ending dialogues are so cringe and absurd, kinda fanfic-tier, I couldn't believe it the same book and author.
>>198584694nosedive crash
>>198584680I appreciate the original, but Richard Chamberlain is just so unbelievably gay, it's almost impossible to take him seriously.
>>198587408Kek he really is autistic
>>198593676except they changed every single plotline so it wouldn't make any sense
>>198595998>it's completely different because it cuts stuff outGigacope. You can never "keep the spirit" of any source by that metric. You're just applying retarded purism like the people saying LotR films are shit because they made a reasonably conventional adventure film out of it. You have no clue to how screenwriting works or what the limitations of audiovisual media is. You either do it this way, or you lose 90% of the audience and make the whole production not viable. The '80 series managed to make it interesting for fat boomer *TV* audiences (not even cinema where you'd have more leeway) and still get a high-quality series out of it that has aged like fine wine. That's a tremendous accomplishment. This new series had much fewer restrictions of any kind and they still fucked it up because they thought like you do.
>>198596257>GigacopeThe only one coping here is you. They didn't cut the Japanese politics because they thought it would serve the story, they cut it because they thought American audiences were too retarded to read text on the screen. It is the most dishonest, pathetic thing of all time, and only the contrarians on /tv/ would twist themselves into knots trying to defend the decision on artistic merits.
I was hoping for Fuji to end up with Aijin, but he ends up all alone as a wagecuck for Toranaga, at least Ajin isn't Buntaro lmao, he got the worst ending by far.Also Yabu was literally me.
>>198596737Fuji ends up acking herself in the book so at least there's a bit of open-endedness here.
>>198596002The beginning and middle of the book sets out so many plot threads that just aren't followed up on.>When Blackthorne first got to Osaka he thought about how to besiege the fortress with cannons. Later he was due that his knowledge of this would be useful to Toranaga. Nothing ever came of it.>The whole Christian Daimyos plotline was irrelevant. Even turned out at the end that one of them (or both?) was actually secretly on Toranaga's side all along. That shouldn't even be that surprising since Mariko's son is marrying Kiyama's granddaughter. This goes nowhere.>His crewNothing happened except one of them died at the end for no reason.>Blackthorne's samuraiForgotten after Yabu fought them.>That clan of ronin that became his samurai that he specifically separated in half on his shipNothing happened>RodriguezLol, nothing happened other than one visit>The black shipLmao, irrelevant>Nagasaki, adventure on the seasIrrelevant>Blackthorne's fiefIrrelevant>Hate for YabuNothing happens, Blackthorne even forgets about it>Blackthorne hates Omi. Omi is jealous of BlackthorneBlackthorne forgets about it. Omi ignores it, despite two of the women Omi likes, Kiku and Omi's wife Midori, being given to Blackthorne.Hell, Blackthorne's fief's border sits next to the city of Omi's new domain.>Oh yeah, remember that Blackthorne was a pilot and rutters were critically important for pilots?Well, Blackthorne doesn't!>Toranaga ordered his son to become friends with BlackthorneNothing happenedUltimately Blackthorne did fuck all in the story. His only real act was saving Toranaga when they left Osaka.Clavell could've gone on to develop all of the plotlines above. William Adams (Blackthorne) ended up being more useful in real life then in the fictional story about him. He was at or took part in the battles of Aizu and Sekigahara, he basically made Edo a trading port, made the trade deal with that dutch, relations with New Spain, trade with England etc.
>>198596337>they cut it because they thought American audiences were too retarded to read text on the screenWhich they are. Not just Americans. The vast majority of people don't like watching subtitled films.>It is the most dishonest, pathetic thing of all timeWoah, easy there. Some people might find the idea of a story where THE MAIN PROTAGONIST, stranded in a foreign country and unable to understand the language, is portrayed from their point of view with no subtitles.
>>198593753How come nobody realized the reason she could do that was the soldiers were deliberately avoiding hurting her? The arrows only ever get shot near her, and the men only move to block her attacks and knock her away. They never ONCE make a counterattack against her, only her guards. She was high status, they couldn't touch her. You could take on 10 men too if they weren't allowed to fight back or run away.
>>198596815>Which they are. Not just Americans. The vast majority of people don't like watching subtitled films.That's been changing and it's entirely because people had the balls to start subtitling shit. The Last Samurai was subtitled twenty year ago.>Woah, easy there. Some people might find the idea of a story where THE MAIN PROTAGONIST, stranded in a foreign country and unable to understand the language, is portrayed from their point of view with no subtitles.John is one of the three protagonists. It was always intended that the trio of Blackthorne, Mariko and Toranaga were the main characters.
>>198596799>Ultimately Blackthorne did fuck all in the story. His only real act was saving Toranaga when they left Osaka.He also saved Toranagabamasama during the earthquake and was a crucial pawn in Toranagalamabamas schemes by fomenting chaos and suspicion between the christian regents, the Portuguese and the other Japos.
>>198596784That's even worse, anyway, Fuji was the best girl and Mariko looked like a korean.
Anjin was knocked down by a 5'5 Japanese man. Why is he so weak
>>198596821>The arrows only ever get shot near herahh they had nightvision and expert aim by firing 'near' her at night during the chaotic battle. Right.
>>198596893I'm sorry. I said 'korean' and I ment to type Thai Ladyboy. Thank you.
>>198596911>During the chaotic battleNigga they were shooting at her from an elevated, protected position and she's in a bright goddamn kimono against the guards uniforms. Keep in mind this is the same show that demonstrated Buntaro drunkenly shooting arrows an inch from her face. This is indisputable and anybody who argues otherwise is a literal retard.
>>198596938No, I meant Korean, but pre facial reconstruction
>>198596950>Keep in mind this is the same show that demonstrated Buntaro drunkenly shooting arrows an inch from her face.To show just how good he was and that he didn't care about Mariko getting hurt. Those other shorties are further away and shooting flaming arrows that would obstruct their vision.
>>198596737Fujiko-san, like other anon said, wanted to die and so she presumably did. Anjin-dono however got former Omi-sama wife in exchange and Kiku-san as extra pussy as well.
>>198596888Anybody could've done what he did during the earthquake though. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time. You could also say that Toranaga wouldn't have stood in the spot if it wasn't for Blackthorne. I would say that this isn't really the character taking action.>>198596893>>198596784>>198596737At the end Toranaga and Fuji talk about Blackthorne. Fuji gets permission to ack herself, but was told to make it look like an ambush during travel. She also talks Toranaga into giving Kiku and Omi's wife, Midori, to Blackthorne. (In the book Blackthorne confused Midori and Kiku once.) He wouldn't really end up being alone.There's just so much potential in where the story could've gone, but it just randomly ended.>>198596815>Not just Americans. The vast majority of people don't like watching subtitled films.Most countries don't dub movies and TV shows. It's only really English-speakers and some Asians who aren't used to reading subtitles.
>>198597116This version's open-ended enough that I'd like to believe that Fuji stayed with John. Kiku is in Edo and probably going to end up with Omi and Omi's wife doesn't exist, and the only other woman that John has any connection and chemistry with is Fuji.
>>198597116>Most countries don't dub movies and TV shows.If that's true it's because the vast majority of quality media is made in English and most modern non-English people don't need subtitles for English they've been exposed to it since birth. But decades ago it was dubbed or they just remade the tv show with their own actors in their own language.
>>198588775>Why even buy the rights to the novel, it you're going to shitcan most of the original story?The 80's version shit cans almost all of Toranaga's story and is mostly about John & Mariko romance.
>>198597222No. They just use subtitles. In ex-USSR countries they even have two different language subtitles in the cinema at the same time.>>198597173Yeah, I don't see why he wouldn't want to just leave then. Fuji might be the only one he knows, but he doesn't really like her.
>Episode 3>Mariko is revealed to be a Mary Sue and starts killing Samurai retainers with a polearmHow boring and predictable and immersion breaking.
>>198597332The Simpsons is famously dubbed in multiple countries and so are tons of other tv shows.
More like Show-over.
>>198597332>Fuji might be the only one he knows, but he doesn't really like her.He likes her a lot more in this one desu. By the end of the original book he had slept with her and conversed a little bit with her, but nothing like the emotional intimacy in episode 5 and then here.
>>198597340retard
>>198585084It wasn't cancelled you stupid fuck
>>198591548Stop posting this in every thread
Let it come. (and by it I mean the end of /sho/)
>>198598584this is probably going to be the last thread, so let's just enjoy it for now
Recommend me more WMAF (and specifically Japanese if you can) kinos now that this is over
Toranigga is just an asshole. Fucking tormenting his subordinates in the worst form of workplace trolling and his Crimson Sky plays out as just a gigantic prank.>Kept Anjin because he thinks he's funny>Also kept him to troll his Muh High Nobility subordinates by making them uncomfortable also insulting them by making him hatamoto>Cucking Buntaro relentlessly by making his wife the Anjin's official subtitles (with full knowledge that she fucks the barbarian)>Trolled his army by making it seem that he has given up>Knows that Anjin and his barbarian nigger brain will think that he has given up and make him say something pessimistic>Said Anjin pessimism made his son and heir die in a retarded manner>Convinces his oldest and closest friend to be in the prank by making him an hero in front of the generals>Knows Anjin and Yabushige would fuck off and go on pirate adventures after this so sends Mariko with orders to send them to Osaka>Actually sent Mariko to go and do a Kamikaze suicidal attack to sow chaos and disunity among the council and further cuck Buntaro>Knew Mariko will send Catholic arsonists to burn down Anjin's precious ship>Allows it>Kills random villagers and tortures them nonetheless just because it's funny to fuck with peasants>Denies Yabushige's request for a gruesome and fun death>Not even death by Barbarian>Cucks Anjin by allowing Fujiko to go Nun (He never got to pillow her)>Was probably snickering when Anjin tried to sudoku himself thinking its the funniest shit he's ever done>Reveals all this to Yabushige>Yabushige dies with a smile knowing he'll be dying by the greatest prank ever pulled off in the Japans
Anna Sawai gets emotional watching a scene from episode 9 again.https://www.reddit.com/r/ShogunTVShow/comments/1ccw0hl/anna_sawai_gets_emotional_watching_a_scene_from/
>>198596063So good depiction of a Brit
Imagine how shit it would have been without Yabushige
>>198598832I know the plot and everything, but I still can't get why Yabushige sama would allow shinobi into the castle just because Ishido sama threatened his life. I mean this guy killed himself without hesitation (in the book he commited seppuku on hard level with two cuts before his head was chopped off which was considered the most badass), so it's totally unbelieveable he'd be tsfraid of Ishido threat.
>>198598751>the only reason the thai ladyboy is crying is because he chipped his tooth during the scene
>>198590334
lolhttps://1883magazine.com/cosmo-jarvis/
>>198599016a. ishido didn't threaten him with death, he offered him lifeb. he very much did hesitate but knew he was fucked both in the book and showc. in the book (even the show a little) it was made clear that he was always out for his own interests. He was looking to climb the ladder. So why did he let the ninjas in? Because toranaga wanted everyone to think that he had given up, so yabu rightfully thought that ishido would be the winning side. He would do anything to get on his good side. He was also told that they would just be there to kidnap her, he did not expect her to jump into an explosion.
>>198599199he looks like shia lebeoufs older down syndrome brother.
>>198598540I'm going to post this in every thread.
>>198599199all tree climber kids were autistic, this checks out
>>198599199>get down from there baka anjin!
>>198599226> He was also told that they would just be there to kidnap herInvite in throat slitting ninjas to a woman already known to be slinging her weapon. What could go wrong? Also, why would he trust what he was told in a scenario based on betrayal
>>198599406Because Yabu knew as well as Ishido that her dying would be disastrous. Ishido legitimately did not want her to die.
>>198598729>son and heirthat wasn't his oldest son
So who is honda tadakatsu in this show? Is it buntaro?
Jonathan van Tulleken, who directed the first two episodes, said, "You should check out this guy Cosmo Jarvis. He just had done this movie, Calm With Horses." And I looked at it and it's like, this guy's a fantastic actor, but is he Blackthorne? That was always the concern. And then we said, well, let's see if he'll do a read, if he'll do an audition. And he did, and he taped it in his attic somewhere on an iPhone with a low angle and a knit cap on his head, still doing the accent from whatever show he was just finishing.And it was just this sort of brilliant, unpredictable performance. There's the second scene we put on the audition that's like pure exposition, the most thankless scene you'll ever have. And if an actor can make you hear that for the first time, then you know they've got something right. And the way he was performing it, I was like, "Did we write this? This is great. How did this work?"But even then, I said, "This is great. But he's not Blackthorne, right?" It doesn't conform to this sort of idea that we had of how that character should look and act in traditional means. And so I just scrolled past and went to the next audition. That was on a Thursday or Friday, and then on Sunday of that weekend, I was like, I'm still only thinking about Cosmo. I keep thinking about that audition. And so I sent it to one of the executives (at FX) and said, "Hey, what do you think of this? We've been watching this all day and I'm just curious to see, not anything else, just what do you think of this?" And within, I kid you not, three hours, every single person at FX had seen that audition. It just spread like a confirmation, because it's so fascinating.https://www.ign.com/articles/shgun-showrunners-on-how-christianity-impacted-feudal-japan
Have you started studying the wind yet, anon-sama?
>>198599436Sending ninjas was likely to result in that
>>198599199lmao all the pictures are awkward as fuckguy really is autistic af, kind of refreshing for an actor be this clueless about pr bullshit
>>198599597> clueless about pr bullshitBritish people usually are
>>198588775>Why even buy the rights to the novel, it you're going to shitcan most of the original story?Brand recognition alone ensures the success of the show. Once they fork out for that, and hire a good writer/director to do the first episode (the ones the critics review), then they don't have to bother putting in any effort for the rest of the series.As soon as that first episode drops, user ratings are all through the roof and remain there, no matter how crap the rest of the show is.
>>198599544I would say we were looking for something very particular when it came to Mariko. First of all, we needed someone who was very proficient both in Japanese as well as English, and someone who could capture the very, very careful calibrations of performance that one would have to do in both languages. So already there you're looking for a unicorn. And then among that, now you have to find someone who brings what we want for every part on this show, which is a very careful, studied humanity, that no one is acting as if they're just in a kind of big costume piece.We were looking for a naturalism that felt not born of either Western period piece traditions where people kind of act a little posh and out there, but also even traditional Japanese jidaigeki, where there's a sense of playing things in a bigger fashion. We had to find a woman who could do all of those things. And Anna Sawai just so perfectly threaded that needle. But man, it was a long, long journey to find her and to find that perfect person in that way. There were times, I kid you not, I thought maybe we're just never going to be able to cast this part until she came along. It was like just, there it is. There it is. It all came together.Rachel Kondo: And similar to Anna, and yet a different journey, was Cosmo Jarvis. In that, if you recall from the book, the character [of Blackthrone] was described as kind of Nordic-looking with light hair, light eyes, just a different physique. So you have in your mind an idea of what he might present as. And then you encounter the audition tape for Cosmo Jarvis, which Justin has his story with so I'm not going to steal it. But I do think what he did was he taught us how to look at the role anew. He taught us what the role needed to be.
>>198599615Same, unlike other actors who say they don't care about PR as a gimmick to make them seem approachable, Cosmo just seems genuinely autistic. It's even funnier considering he's a muscled grug with a huge jaw.
>>198599556Which is why it would be 3d chess if the one who sent the ninjas was actually toranaga despite everyone and their mothers thinking it was ishido. Sad that this was not the case.
>>198587263>pure eye candyDo you have rocks in your head? Every shot look awful/green screened. And the lighting/blurring was all faked in post. It looked like a computer game or at best, a straight to streaming service TV show.... - NOTHING like a movie.
>>198590369>killed horror since 2016I agree it got out of hand but horror movies made from 2016 till now are generally better than what we had in the 90s and 2000s. That isn’t saying a whole lot though.
>>198599640I don't believe there isn't a good Japanese actor who can speak decent English. It's clear they resorted to the thai ladyboy based on English and looks rather than acting ability.
>>198584680I kinda want a Family Guy parody of this show>Quagmire as Anjin>Meg as Mariko>Peter as Toranaga>Brian as Yabu
>>198587932Go back
>>198599733How badly will you seethe when she gets a best actress award?
>>198599640Mariko is not a good actor
>>198599770>a best actress award??? You still think awards are based on performances?
>>198599814The coping is beginning already I see.
>>198599770Oh they will get awards. They are diversity stronk wymen
This should have been Mariko
>>198599812They’re just sugarcoating it because they couldn’t find an English speaking actress. Same with the male lead, they hired him because he also ticks quotas as a hapa
>>198599854>he actually doesoh how embarrassing.
>>198599907I look forward to crying about Thai ladyboys come awards season
>>198599704>And the lighting/blurring was all faked in post.There are articles about the cinematography and despite what you might think, lighting is still one of those things that isn't done in post. Secondly the blurring is happening on camera, it is how the Hawk lenses they shot this on behave wide open, that is their optical characteristic. They are very characterful lenses, especially wide open. They are also shooting with wide lenses on many scenes which especially on anarmophic lenses accentuates the barrel distortion.
>>198599951You'll never hear from her again. The Oscars used to get +40million viewers, now it's a success if it gets even close to half. No one with a brain cares about "awards season".
>>198599951It is already settled, Mariko gets main female lead and Fuji gets supporting actress awards, they are already working up the shilling for that with Fuji’s actress posting about it
>>198600015Keep going, please
>>198600058>>198600063lol delusional
>>198600015> No one with a brain cares about "awards season".That’s not true. Awards now go to non-whites and once she gets it, she becomes more marketable, given that she speaks English, they will give her more roles
>>198600094You don’t think they are shilling hard for awards and that non-whites get awards easily
>>198599746>noooo you can't just point out that Japanese samurai women during that time period actually were expected to use naginatas to defend themselves when the chips were down, that's feminism! Kill yourself incel.
>>198600135Why doesn't our girl Moeka deserve the award?
>>198600207>when the chips were downYou will never be a woman.
>>198599856Asians are not diverse
>>198600224She is best girl. But Sawai, not so much
>>198584680>The version that ignores the Japanese politics and focuses on the lovestory has a gay man and a JAV actress stiffly pretending they are love struck.At least Mariko was a dame.
>>198600231Why the fuck would I want to be a woman, incel?
>>198600295Forgot to attach pic related.The series kind of kills itself with the casting alone.
>>198600295With Yoko Shimada focusing more on speaking English half the time rather than acting. I can see why they specifically went after a native English speaking Japanese for this version.
>>198600243There is literally some rule that x % of cast and crew needs to be ‘diverse’. Diverse means not straight white men. Everything else is diversity
>>198600295They acted well
>>198599549Hai. I have been studying the passage of wind my entire life, anon-sama.
Kiku is best girl and frankly I'm tired of you homosexuals pretending otherwise
>>198600320So you can dress up for awards season.
>>198600335It is accurate to have a Japanese woman struggle with the language. She was taught by priests but she was far from fluent. Have you ever met an ESL jap? That was her but even moreso given the lack of resources and exposure at the time
She knew
>>198600408You are the homo for not appreciating fuji
>>198600423Mariko was fully fluent in both Portuguese and Latin in the book. Blackthorne did not comment on her having any issue speaking the language at any point.
>>198600408>Appears 0 times in the last two episodes because the writers completely forgot about her.I remembered....
>>198600408Fuji n-count: 1Mariko n-count: 2Kiku n-count: 37,522
Fuck: KikuMarry: FujiKill: Mariko You can dispute this, it is objectively correct.
>>198600550Yeah but have you SEEN the dude that impregnated fuji? kek
>>198600533Blackthrone actually comments that she's more fluent than he is with both languages, she mogs him in Latin in paticular.
>>198600717>Blackthrone
>>198600550Unwanted Stepchilderen count>1 Fuji>1 Mariko>0 KikuThere is not "Wife's son" with Kiku.
>>198599863ugly gook
>>198600821nigga fuji's kid is ASHES
>>198600339diverse = black
>>198600836Are you gay?
What was the deal with all the flashforward scenes of old Blackthorne dying in bed? Only part of this finale I didn't understand. If it's his fate to never leave Japan, then who are all these little English brats running around his room and poking at his swords? Did Anjin pilot his way into a new timeline?
>>198590614HO
>Iiiii waaaant the shooogunnnnatee>pleeeeeease
>>198600874No, I'm just not into ugly gooks.
>>198600207>>198600320
>>198599863who is this in the show
>>198600887It represents the last dying gasp of his dream to return to England, that's why it focuses on Mariko's cross in the dream. When he drops the cross in the ocean, he's accepting that he will never leave Japan and moving on from leaving and Mariko.
>>198584694Kino, anon. It was kino.
>>198598729Yes you understood what transpired. Tokugawa/Toranaga's story isn't a hero's journey. He's a villain. He's just the villain who won.
>>198600887>What was the deal with all the flashforward scenes of old Blackthorne dying in bed?It's meant to signify how divorced he is from his English identity and the death of his dream of going back home. Its meta in the sense that the dream is meant to represent the death of his dream, which is a reference to the title of the episode which is a reference from the books of Toyotomi's death poem.
>>198601025Gotcha. Damn, being trapped in Toranaga's endless ruse sounds exhausting. A motherfucker can't even have his own dream in Toranaga land.
>>198597009Left just needs some eye makeup. She has an uironically better mouth than right.
>>198594222I want to make Fuji breathe hard
>>198600533Then that’s not realistic in the book. (I only read Gaijin)
>>198584680I started the series since it's finished now. Am I supposed to be thinking the British guy with the British accent is speaking portuguese when he talks to the other guy speaking english or do they all speak english and translate to jap and the japs just don't know better?
>>198587932
>>198601543You are supposed to believe that Anjin speaks Portuguese
fuji best nun and best girl
>>198599406Because Clavell wanted to stop writing the book. He needed a quick ending: >>198596799The ninja shit was just straight up stupid. It shouldn't be possible to infiltrate like that in such a big manner.
>>198588775>turned Blackthorn into a bumbling dumbass NPC and side-lined him to propagandize stronk womyn Mariko.That's why I didn't even bother to watch that trash. I'm so sick and tired of the "stronk womyn" bullshit when most bitches can't even open a pickle jar or reach the shit off the top shelf.
>>198601588so they just didn't feel like hiring a guy that speaks portuguese, got it.
>>198601543It's simple. When he's speaking with a British accent he's speaking Portuguese. When he's speaking with an English accent he's speaking Spanish unless he's speaking English. And when he's speaking with a Lancashire accent he's speaking Japanese.
>>198601633I'm too American for this shit.
>>198601627Holy shit you're stupid.
>>198600843>>198600821And Mariko's kid will be buddies with Musashi.
>>198601627Oh it’s more complex than that. They wanted ‘authenticity’ so they hire only Japanese actors who speak Japanese. Yet, for Europeans, they hire an Armenian put blue contacts on him and bleach him, then put brown contacts on the blue-eyed jesuits and make them speak English when they speak Portuguese. You do the math
>>198601633Kek
Overall did we like the anamorphic lens
>>198601633oi maite you got licence for that katana
>>198601627Favela occupying hands typed this post
>Japan sucks the independence and ambition out of the White manIs this show supposed to be a tragedy
>>198601810>Anjin you filthy whore son of a motherless goat, I like you!
>>198601810>wants to make it authentic>hires bunch of japs speaking jap language>need to translate between portuguese for the characters to interact>too confusing for the audience, they don't like to read subtitles, we'll just do it in english
>>198601835Everyone kills themselves or becomes a bowing faggot. There seems to be a message here
Only monkeys speak Portuguese. Meanwhile there are a bunch of people who didn't need subs for the English nor Jap bits.
>>198601880It is much easier to find a Japanese actress who speaks fluent English than it is to find an English actor and Japanese actress who speak Portuguese. This should be common sense.
>>198602137They used a half-Armenian actor. Easy to find a half-Portuguese or dare I say Brazilian actor. Same goes with an Americanized Brazilian-Japanese
>>198599199Fucking lol, if only he had a katana and fedora here, then the look would be complete.I genuinely wish him the best.
>>198602269No one wants to see a favela monkey or a Japanese favela monkey on screen. Get over it Joao.
How many times did Mariko cum on the BWC?
Give me a poem for the last /sho/ thread forever
>>198602335Female cumming wasn't introduced to Japan by the west until the meiji restoration.
>>198602397Snow on leaf less branchLeaving Japans at lastShe's a ladyboy
>>198602308I’m not Joao I don’t speak Portuguese but they are the ones bragging about authenticity
>>198602469Link me porn of a ladyboy who looks like that.
>>198602308> favela monkey Half-Armenian is same shit
>>198601013It must bother you to know those are the types of guys getting laid right now, incel.
>>198602653It's not, no matter how much your brown self wants it to be so. The dude is English and has a good voice, no one wants to hear a Brazilian pretend to be English.
>>198592567What a fag
No FumiNo watch
>>198602865>brownThe Armenian is literally brown to the point they had to bleach him >is EnglishAnd if his mother was Portuguese or Brazilian instead of Armenian? Both brown. You are bad at reading comprehension. I said a half English with the other parent being Portuguese. Would the exact same as this actor
>>198602981They didn't have to bleach shit, he's white
>>198589309Ancient japan was a foggy place full of trees and rocks you ludicrous fool
>>198602998His hair they bleached to look lighter and they gave him blue contacts.He is half white and half Armenian
>>198602653lmao
>>198603019Yes, some English people have black hair and brown eyes. Dude is white and is actually English. For perfect accuracy they should have gotten someone who can speak Dutch when he's talking to his crew as well. Shut up retard.
>>198603043You don’t think that half Armenian half English is the same as a half English half Portuguese.
>>198603074You are a retard. He is half white half Armenian. He could be half white half Portuguese and would look the same. You haven’t read the book but Anjin is white, light haired and blue eyed, not a mutt. Same goes for the historical figure
Yeah might as well have had a literal negroid as Blackthorne
>>198603113I have read the book. Please point out all the actors that speak fluent English, Portuguese, Dutch and would be willing to learn a bit of Japanese for the show you retarded favela monkey.
>>198603019they didn't bleach his hair. He's wearing a wig. fuji and mariko are also wearing a full blown wig. aslo, you stupid faggot cockroach, they first and foremost needed a competent actor to play blackthonre. read the interview up there of how and why they cast him.
>>198603140He's retarded. Not to mention that nobody wants a show that is entirely not in English. They imply they are speaking Portuguese, that's good enough. Favela monkey just doesn't comprehend that.
>>198584694>what the actual fuck was the last 4 episodesThe show fucking sucked on the whole, only tards enjoyed it which tells you everything you need to knowCannonball scene was the end>never actually used cannons after that
>IE BWC-SAMA OKI SUGIRUWas this scene really necessary?
Season 2 of Shogun: Entertainment District x Church Arc
>tfw when no Yabu and Anjin tales on the high sea going back to England.
>missed on 10 weeks of shitposting because I bingewatched it all in the last 2 days
>>198602462She wouldn't have been able to help it
>>198603644i missed the first 5 weeks (the best episodes) of shitposting because I forgot the show was even on
>>198603625Honestly after the Buntaro redemption arc there could be a season 2 of their samurai adventures.
>>198593408That's not the 8 fold fence.8 fold fence is where you go to hide so the troubles of the world can't get you.You're thinking of the 3 hearts. The public, the private, and the secret.
>Year 1600>Episode about how wife beating is wrongLMAO
>>198604389Based on the reaction to that episode in this thread, somehow that message still needs to be beaten over the head.
>>198604389It was a cuck society
>>198604648Sometimes women should be put in their place. Simple asBy the way prior to him going honeymooners mode Mariko, had interracial sex with a foreigner and was being forced to live in the same house with them.
>>198604723Not under the roof of another man, very dishonourable. If you've lived in a shitty area you know how fucking annoying loud public domestics are.
>>198604723She thought he was dead at the time and it seemed like weeks had passed before she even decided to sleep with him. Even assuming beating your wife is ok (it's not), beating her in the house that you're a guest in is not okay.
>>198603771the reactions to the first couple episodes were like how did they get away with making this show in this day and age. Mariko didn't even mourn her dead husband and the next episode she has sex with Blackthorne.but ep 5 confused the shit out of people with the rotting bird and ep 6, 7 were really boring imo and...ep 8 , 9 were exciting. not as exciting as the first couple episodes but..
>>198604389Is that what you took from that episode?Are you retarded?
Is there a word for weeaboos but for people who do it about medieval europeans?
I miss this nigga like you wouldn’t believe
>>198604938just Japanese.Japanese are the OG weaboos for the west. every fantasy JRPG and anime/manga are set in some vague old european towns and themes.
I miss them
>>198604938you never thought it was weird that like 90 percent of isekais have near european middle civilization plucked in middle of japanland out of nowhere.
>>198605448No I mean the butthurt boomers in the youtube comments section who come up with outlandish stories of Europeans sawing hundreds of Samurai in half with a longsword and shit like that
>>198584680>NO I DON'T WANT A BOY, I AM NOT A GOD CURSED SODOMITE>is actual sodomite>has two (2) male lovers 20 years his juniorwhat did he mean by this?
>>198605466>No I mean the butthurt boomers in the youtube comments section who come up with outlandish stories of Europeans sawing hundreds of Samurai in half with a longsword and shit like thatA European knight would beat any Samurai 1 v 1. Unsure how many would constitute a fair fight
>>198588775based xbro
>>198605507 Next you're going to tell me the original 80s miniseries was better, right? Get real, Knights lost frequently to Arabs with even worse weapons discipline and training than Samurai. The only warriors on Earth that came close to Knights were Samurai
>>198605576Ah I remember being a 15 year old too
>>198602406Why do they walk through a forest on their way from the castle to the docks? Isn't Osaka Japan's biggest city of that time?
This is it. The final /sho/. Who will be my second?
>>198605630No argument found, I accept your concession of defeat.
>>198605576Nonwhite cope is always kino
>>198605675I'm white you fucking retard I just wondered why so many boomers were buttblasted over the obviously fake fight scene on the beach, holy fuckWhy are you acting like an insecure pajeet
>>198605576Knights, by which I mean actual knights, not a knight's retainers were essentially tanks. They could and would kill dozens before being taken out by an unlucky blow. They were nimble in their suits of armor and were incredible athletes. They were often also significantly larger and better nourished than commoners.
>>198605661>the presumption: you deserved the effort of a counter argument Like I said, I was you when I was around 15
>>198605723I'm not arguing against that but Knights DID take losses against Muslim forces who were more poorly trained, armed and armoured than the Samurai so acting like it'd be a sweep is ludicrous. Even the best Turkish or Arab armour wasn't anywhere near as protective as a Tosei Gusoku which it's self wasn't as protective as most European harness
>>198605701No, you need more than a random conquistador in the family tree for that, my dear meztizo
>>198605760If I was a bloody beaner I'd be going on about all the fights they got into with the Samurai that they managed to win, you twit.Why is everybody so fucking insecure
>>198605755>I'm not arguing against that but Knights DID take losses against Muslim forces who were more poorly trained, armed and armoured than the Samurai so acting like it'd be a sweep is ludicrous. Even the best Turkish or Arab armour wasn't anywhere near as protective as a Tosei Gusoku which it's self wasn't as protective as most European harnessIt looks like Knights constituted about 5-10% of European Crusader armieshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hattin
>>198605800Yes and as a student of the Crusades you probably know about the Frankish Knight's propensity to do retarded ass charges and often die; they weren't literally indestructible, anon.
>>198605819All I said was this>>198605507
>>198605837That's a presumptuous statement as retarded as the most delusional weeaboo, as apparently any Knight CAN'T beat any Arab
>>198605165>the way she looks at himTHEY SHOULD HAVE FUCKED
>>198605755When you except Muslim armies led by Saladin or Khalid ibn Waleed the ratio nose dives. Bottom line is knights beat samurai, simply due to metal quality and height/strength advantage if nothing else.
>>198605951They were only an inch or two shorter, the height disparity was not the same as it was in the industrial era, anon. We know this from skeletons. Nobunaga was the same height as your average European knight. Besides, height isn't everything. Romans with superior training mopped the floor with Gauls and the Vikings, for all their size advantages over the Christian Europeans got BTFO routinely whenever they faced a real army. The disparity in metal quality was negligible outside of a lab.
>>198605837You're thinking they would use a slashing and stabbing weapon against a knight when they would most likely grab a long spear and just wear them down until they're stabbed to death. Any force can be beaten with the right tactics. Unless you forgot the Mongols visiting eastern europe. Mongols beat the shit out of everyone and they were a bunch of steppe savages. Stop putting so much trust in Spike TV tier fake historical fantasy fights. Under most circumstances it always ends up as rock paper scissors. No human force exists yet that is unbeaten.
>>198605894>6'2" Chadbert of Slayham who has been training his whole life to kill and is in peak physical condition and consumes 5000 calories a day and is wearing a thick suit of steel plate armor with a giant longswrod that he can swing like a twig goes up against 5'2" Omi Nagasaki wearing leather and iron armor with a brittle-steel short blade and spends half his time writing poetryI wonder who will win
>>198606016He's probably 12 or 62 anon, nobody else can be this delusional and childishHe's the inverse of r/asianmasculinity
>>198606012Knights were much larger than commoners
>>198606016>Mongols beat the shit out of everyone and they were a bunch of steppe savages. Stop putting so much trust in Spike TV tier fake historical fantasy fights.European Knights are one of the only fighting styles to inflict greater losses on the mongols than replacement.
>>198606026More like>5'7" Hubert who never sees real combat in his life outside of tourneys because as soon as his life is in danger he surrenders and gets ransomed later vs 5'5" Kuranosuke who's personally beheaded 100 armed and armoured warriors in real combat>heh experience means nothing, I'm sure to win because I'm a couple inches taller
>>198606060And Samurai weren't commoners. The height advantage nobility had in Japan vs commoners was more pronounced than in Europe
>>198606090European nobles had no nutritional deficiencies, they would have been around 6ft on average.
>>198606026>NOO BRAD PITUUU
>>198606087Which is why they hid in castles and never engaged on open ground against them. Those vaunted Knights. life is not the game For Honor.
>>198606140We can tell by archeological evidence this is factually incorrectThe average knight was the same size as the average Japanese is today, around 5'7", although heavily built
>>198606145>Which is why they hid in castles and never engaged on open ground against them. Those vaunted Knights.You don't know what you're talking about. In the Mongol invasion of Hungary they used heavily armored Knights in the open and built fortifications. The combination of losing on the battlefield and losing at siege broke them.
>>198606169Totally incorrect and ahistorical.
>>198606181'At siege' curious how they got to a siege, were the knights doing the siege'ing? Or does that mean they were hiding in castles...just like I said... hmm
>>198606201Most people in Europe THESE DAYS aren't that tall on AVERAGE anonI can cite some giant fucking Samurai who were 6'7", doesn't mean all or even most were that size.
>>198606221It means when the mongols invaded they could not gain ground or win battles
>>198606228Average height for a White European man of middle class or higher background is 6ft+
>>198606256Yes mountains and castles make it hard to dislodge entrenched forces.
>>198606277In the NetherlandsGermany it's 5'10", England is shorter. Most people aren't 6 foot anon, manlets are the rule, tall people are exceptional because they're the exception. Are you 8 or something? There's no shame in being 5'10" on average when you consider pajeets are like 5'2" even these days
>>198588235Obviously. The show is over.
>>198606310>Countries with immigrants>Counting lower class peopleUniversity education alone is associated with 1-2" of additional height.
>>198606012>>198606090>magical thinking weebs It’s okay though, samurai are still the coolest looking thing to come from all of Asia
>>198606365He's just pointing out facts anon, you're the one hysterically fanboying>noo my knights were 8 foot tall giant gigachads with 8 packs who would never ever lose just like me
>>198606346We're still speaking of national averages, if you can find that data in the modern day broken down by ethnicity then be my guest. That may put them above the 6' AVERAGE you claim, but it doesn't erase archeological evidence of medieval Europeans being 5'7" or so on average
>>198591548I enjoyed the show mainly for the sheer amount of DRIP in it, especially Toranaga's outfits.
>>198606524Yabushige's crow feather coat was epic
>>198606513Average height of midwestern Whites who come from Northwestern Europe is 5'11" - 6'https://www.sciencenorway.no/education-the-human-body/why-are-highly-educated-people-taller/2154157>… but academics have grown the least>“Among those born in the 1930s, the height difference between these two groups was 4.3 centimetres for men and 5.1 centimetres for women. In the 1970s, this difference had dropped to 2 centimetres for men and 3 centimetres for women,” Arntsen said to sciencenorway.no.>It turns out that academics have maintained a stable average height, while the rest of the population has grown taller over the years.>A recent study on bones from medieval burial grounds found something similar to Arntsens modern-day study: those of high social status had been taller, and the differences were greater for women than for men.>Basically, if you were rich in medieval Norway, you were also tall and had strong bones.So on average being upper class European meant you would be significantly taller than medieval peasants, and probably be above average height even compared to modern average people.
