Why did he want to swim so badly?
>>200341135Because he is literally me
>>200341135He's gotta win this competition with this rich jock to save the community center for negris and trains hard and wins. Typical 90s movie
>>200341135He was hiding from the reality of his situation.Kino film, btw.
>>200341135Times you acted like The Swimmer?
those two chicks in the back said they only fuck swimmers
>>200341215every single daymy life is cope incarnate
>>200341135I WAS IN THE POOL!
this movie is basically the same plot as falling down if you think about it>delusional boomer makes his way across LA on a sweltering summer day
>>200341135 Metaphor. The movie has a lot of symbolism and, like The Irishman, it's a bitter pill that the sooner you swallow the wiser your choices will be for the rest of your life bc you'll avoid the mistakes of their respective main characters
>>200341135Reminded him of his youth
>>200341135Burt Lancaster will forever remain the undisputed master of schizo kino.
>>200341687I need to get around to watching Oysterman Weekend
>>200341687executive action was so kino. We need more 60's conspiracy movies
>>200341687>Burt LancasterIs the star of one of my favorite "old man with nothing left to lose" movies.
>>200341135>Grindhouse Releasing Kek. By American standards this is practically an art film now.
>>200342882Anyone else think Susan Sarandon is kinda sexy? I think she shows nipple in that movie too >>200342930Happens a lot with films that aren't owned by a huge company like WB/paramount/etc and a boutique label ends up picking it up and getting a good scan of the print. They also have a nice release for The Big Gundown too.
>>200342882Louis "My Dinner with Andre" Malle?
>>200341687I liked him in Atlantic City
>>200341215>Times you acted like The Swimmer?I've never acted like the Swimmer because I'm not a 50 year old unmedicated schizophrenic breaking into people's backyards to swim in their pools.
>>200342997LEMON. BATH. LEMON BATH.
>>200343036Indeed. It's a forgotten gem desu.
>>200342930It's always been an art film. Frank Perry and his screenwriter wife were very talented and meticulous. The movie's original source is a John Cheever short story.
>>200341135
>>200341135Faustian Spirit
>>200343195Yup. I keep forgetting to finish that 70s one with Tuesday Weld.https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1964/07/18/the-swimmer
>>200343470He had a very perceptive psychological approached which was embedded in very specific examples of the American social milieu
>>200341135He swam.
>>200341135So he could be Burt Seacaster
>>200341135>thread reminds me of Burt Lancaster>remember my dad really like Burt Lancaster movies>wonder how he's doing>died the day I was bornI am the reincarnation of Burt Lancaster.
>>200344864Ulzana's Raid 2 when?
>>200344913It'll be out when it's out
>>200343195The seasons changing slowly in the background over the course of that single day is absolute genius.
>>200345046Yes. The movie oscillates between dreamy and nightmarish, triumphant and pathetic, well connected and ostracized in a way that is matched by all of these nuances, many of them unsaid and subtly present in his natural and social surroundings.It also has a type of haziness to it from his first somewhat odd/unexpected contact with this friends and ofc his pool to pool journey.
>>200341135I liked the part where he swam
>>200343195>>200343470I still need/want to see Diary of a Mad Housewife
I'm gooooonna swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim
Is this a good movie to watch if I've swam before
>>200341215right now
>>200341135I just watched this last night... wtf.
>>200346799ironically no, Lancaster couldn't swim
the guy was a hard-boiled orphan gymnast IRL nightwing, but hollywood actors always manage to be impractical somehow
>>200341687>when you talk about 'The Swimmer' will you talk about yourself?What did he mean by this
>>200346844He's swimming
>>200346844I guess the tagline is true
>>200346904the character of the titular Swimmer is literally me
>>200341135>If there's anything you need, anything at all, come to me. I'm your guardian angel.>techno beat starts
>>200346964>JOAN RIVERS: you're no different from any other guy.>THE SWIMMER: Oh but I am! I'm a very special human being, noble and splendid.*audience hooting and hollering*
can’t flim flam the swim swam
>>200346944Maybe so...
>>200341215The other day I made a scene over a hotdog wagon and got kicked out of the party. But everyone there was such an NPC, and I carried myself with such power and presence, that they couldn't help but all line up and watch me stride away. Not that I noticed -- my princely head was already wreathed in clouds of thought.
>>200347145>>200347239these are uncomfortably intimate shots of eyes and faces. I feel attacked just by a few seconds of footage. It shows a level of understanding way beyond most movies
>>200347279There's recency bias on my part but I think its probably one of the best movies ever made.
>>200346764There used to be a good quality torrent available
>>200347431My bad here's the bigger one
>>200341135He was retarded
>>200347506It reflects the unreliable narrator's hazy recollections and outlook
film nerdslop movies give me the ick
fucking love this movie been trying to have a thread sine i watched it 87 days ago, powerful movie with heavy emotions out of nowhere, tragic realizations too
>>200347145>OH MY GOD.... >IS THAT A POOL FULL OF CHLORINATED WATER?!?>AGGGGHHHH>I THINK.... UGHHHHH>I THINK I'M GONNA SWOOOOM!!!!!!!!
>>200343078youd have to be schizo to not be envious of a man that knew his community well enough that he could drop by each of his old friends houses to say hello on the weekend
I swim and I’m a WASP who’s having some financial issues currently. Is this a film I will relate to?
How does this movie have any traction on /tv/? Did an epic youtuber talk about it?
>>200343036Yes, also Louis "Pretty Baby" Malle.
>>200346027i like how it starts off slice of life/comedic and then quickly become a movie of growing old and missing out on all these people and things you once cherished, that sequence outside his trashed mansion in the end is tragic
>>200341215>drop in on family unannounced>eat their food>leave unexpectedly
>>200347807We're allowed to talk about 1 good movie a day that's not part of a multi billion dollar franchise.
>>200347807I watched it because of a tweet I saw recently, but I think it had already been in my watch list. It's on Amazon Prime.
>>200347807someone posted about it here months ago and it’s snowballed because people think it’s funny to say “I swim” like driver and similar titled movies
the way the movie starts with him just showing up at his old neighbors house for a quick dip is priceless, reading the premise of the movie i thought the yards were gonna be more connected
>>200347688>>200347750>>200347796It's very masculine in a way that makes us realize the passage of time for men specifically and the accrued effect of uncertain past choices. The Swimmer's a cautionary lesson because it hints at mistakes made at the financial, marital/family and social levels, but the fact that these are just faint narrative sketches and implied aspects/fragments in the movie make it even more hard-hitting because the viewer is more empathetic towards Ned as we fill in the blanks with personal experiences or scenarios.
>>200347396when i watched it earlier this year I had the same thought that was>this is the best new movie ive seen in a couple yearssince then ive been trying to pitch it door to door between internet, friends, and family
>>200347796This movie will make you kill yourself.
Could The Big Lebowski be a stealth sequel?
>>200347688let me be your guardian angel ill always be there for you even though ive been gone since you were little lets just go back to how things used to be
>that nudist backyard and all the borderline acid imagerywent in thinking it was gonna be an extraordinarily basic film, realized it was as 60s and hippie as they come
>>200341135I saw it when I was 13 on a movie channel. Honestly it stayed in my head awhile, but all movies are basically bullshit. Distraction masquerading as art.
>>200348070Not if the hypothetical guy described here >>200347796 has the other aspects of his life under control. In the swimmer, the guy seemed detached from his family
>>200347796have you grown detached from people you once warmly knew that are still in the community?>>200347807ive been mentioning it every week since i saw it
>>200347877>that sequence outside his trashed mansion in the end is tragicIt's also kind of terrifying.
>>200342997if by “kinda sexy” you mean “extraordinarily, heart-beating-out-of-chest sexy”, then yeah.
>>200347807if you knew /tv/ youd know this board collectively has an encyclopedic knowledge of all things film, that said its got a real classic cunnykino scene with >>200347688and its a film about an outsider guy who has a screw loose, besides being about wealth its very relevant to people on 4chan
>>200348144I’ve heard it been referred to as a 60s movie that turns into a 70s movie
>>200347877Yes. His social persona slowly falls apart as he (and the viewer) gradually realize he's burdened by past mistakes until that brutal final scene. It's very cathartic in that we can sense why he ends up like that. Frolicking can only go so far
>>200348265>cunnykino sceneIt's creepy but she was 20 years old
>>200348010Ned is a man who on the surface level did everything right, he had a beautiful wife, a great job, great friends, good looks, from the outside he lived a perfect life but in reality at every turn in his life he made fatal mistakes that slowly unraveled his life from infidelity, to bad investments, losing job, to neglecting social relationships until he essentially went from having everything to having nothing without anyone even noticing, simple things like not checking in on old friends became the foundation for this failure in life and now he incomprehensibly has lost it all, part of it seems like the man failed to live in the moment back when his life meant something and now he just wants to live one day of his life back when things made sense but theres no going back not for long at least
>>200348163this movie sums up the human condition and the passing of time artfully, it is certainly art
>>200348373its the dynamic that makes it a borderline pedo sequence
This movie would be way better with a less cheesy soundtrack
>>200348670just like you forgive an older movie for being black and white or having cliche direction you forgive older movies for cheesy soundtracks, i dont even remember what it sounds like im picturing enchanting orchestral bits
>>200347807Gilbert Gottfried used to bring it up frequently on his podcast which put it on the radars of genX and boomers
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>>200348916what did he say about it?
>>200348512Yes. It's hinted that he once had an affluent life, social standing and a family and lost it all. The way ppl treat him throughout the movie implies some were just oblivious to what went on, some were swindled/cheated by him, some had a vague idea of what had happened etc. He seems to have been institutionalized because of a mental breakdown or something like that at some point. And his self-assured facade gradually gives way to a crestfallen demeanor: the way he's rejected by the young woman for instance is not generational as much as a result of him no longer having the status and confidence he once had.
>>200348916Could have helped but podcasts are not that influential and The Swimmer is a very well-known cult movie. If anything, the Grindhouse Releasing beautifully remastered version is what gave it renewed attention
>>200348630That's true.
>>200343236Disrespectful little zoom zoom. Look at >>200347788 and how his body is actually tighter than hers.
>>200348630>>200349628It's mythological: the faun who can no longer seduce the nymph. It's above conventional morality and highly symbolic
>>200347396based
>>200346764It's good despite that fucking faggot Richard Benjamin. God I hate him.
>>200348010>>200348512It's also about values. He lost it all because he values things completely different from the world. Strength, beauty, friendship, kindness -- as long as he has these things, what could go wrong? That's how he was raised as a WASP protege. The world actually values submission and "reliability", tests he failed because they're unimportant to a man.
>>200341135hes in hell, like sisyphus but with swimming
>>200350058did he really value friendship? sounds like he let go of several friendships because he was busy with his "life", take away that from your list and he basically only cared about himself and what he controlled
i'll post more webms if there's a /film/ thread up later
>>200342997>I think she shows nipple in that movie too
>>200350152depends on what you mean by friendship. He didn't "value being a good husband" because he couldn't handle the grind, the same certainly applies to friendship. But should friendship be a grind? It's the difference between a first impression and a personality, or a living being and a reputation. Everyone recognizes a great man by looks and bearing, but how's his economic efficiency? Do we care?
>>200342997>Anyone else think Susan Sarandon is kinda sexy?I think that's a widely held belief.
>>200350058He was a shitbag.Read the story, it's only two pages long.
>>200351102They sound like totally different art forms. In text, you're self inserting regardless of how retarded he acts.
>>200350058>It's also about values. He lost it all because he values things completely different from the world. Strength, beauty, friendship, kindness -- as long as he has these things, what could go wrong?Values in the sense of possessing valuable assets, yes>>200350063Interesting. Or a purgatory
>>200342997I was actually just about to post about how much I hate that fugly cunt in any movie she's in
>>200351398Rude
>>200351423Sorry Susan but you have a serious case of butterface
>>200351229>Or a purgatorysame difference. the ending of the swimmers story is what perpetuates the beginning of the story, leading to a cycle he can never escape from.to any anon who got the esoteric aspect of this movie you should check out Orson Welles' The Trial
>>200351616Hell is more objectively punitive, whereas the purgatory ordeal has a cyclic nature to it: when the breaks down in front of his abandoned former house reality seems to set in. In the Trial, it's a bit different because it's nothing that seems to have been caused by the main character, who is pursued rather than deciding on a journey as Ned does.
>movie called the swimmer >none of the webm's posted have any swimming
the Grindhouse Releasing blu ray release is fantastic and has a several hour long multipart documentary with some really interesting interviews, factoids and anecdotes
>>200351754the swimmer is being punished though, but i see your point, purgatory is probably the better description. as for The Trial, oh hes guilty and and his crime is obvious if you read between the lines. theres a reason the painter who's harassed by the kids finds him such a kindred spirit..
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>>200348974He loved it and thought it was under appreciated, which it was for too long, but as a 'strange' film.
>>200351903>oh hes guilty and and his crime is obvious if you read between the linesI have to reread the novel bc I remember Joseph K as being genuinely confused by his ordeal. The Welles movie is great too
>>200341135>The 40 Year Old Swimmer>I'M GONNA SWIMMM I'M SWIMMING AAAHHHH
>>200351958GOAT, to borrow the parlance of the youth
>>200351895>>200351958It's wonderful in form and content: the 3-disc edition also had a poster etc
>>200351884>>200352014One of its most famous formal aspects is that Lancaster literally spends the entire movie in his trunks and nothing else, and yes he does swim on some of the pools
>>200351427>tummykino
>>200351895>>200351958>>20035204235 bucks (but USA/Canada only):https://shop.grindhousereleasing.com/products/the-swimmer-1968-3-disc-blu-ray-dvd-cd-soundtrack-embossed-slipcover
>>200352007the movie stands alone due to welles unique take. give it a rewatch. hes sent to purgatory but unlike the swimmers version wheres hes alone it like a dream, The Trial sees Josef being punished alongside others. take special note of the painter guy and his circumstances.Josef knows what he did, and the mirror is held up to him many times, he just wont accept it. which is possibly why hes stuck there
>>200352070and balanced with plenty of trim to advance its visual appeal to all audiencesat the beginning he's burt fucking lancaster chilling in the heights of upper suburbia and boning the hot baby sitter... women want him and men want to be him.And by the end it's a painful reminder of reality as time introduces a painful clarity
>>200351427Soft tummy flesh.
>>200352007if you havent already seen them, Jacobs Ladder and After Hours both share this same theme as The Swimmer and The Trial. obviously there's plenty more but they stand out too
>>200352129Yes. His persona is dismantled/eroded with a complete economy of means, scene by scene.>>200352178Kino movies too! Though The Swimmer mostly takes place under the glaring summer sun, all of them have a type of journey into the night vibe
>>200352239yeah, you get it
I swear this bit in particular is the dance Crispin Glover does in Friday the 13th Part 5.
>>200348570It celebrates failure. Movies and TV are are anti-art=fake and gaywgh
>>200352598It's an indictment of failure (defined, in this context, as not prioritizing your family and maintaining a good professional reputation)
>>200350785SS goes full frontal
>>200346964Oh shit. Juno Reactor sampled the Swimmer?
Aside from the Autism Factor of the Swimmer.Let's shift perspective to first comprehend the bigger picture to understand the mindset of abandonment of social restrictions. First imagine or remember the worst flooding your town has experienced. If your town is seriously flooded, then what happens when the flooding is unrecoverable. Your basement is soaked, the first floor of your house is ruined. Power is out and the fridge is half submerged. A MENTAL SWITCH IS FLIPPED. Ever see guys frolicking on a flooded street, boating, laughing, doing waterskiing or fishing? There is a point where a sane man stops fighting the facts of the flood and says, "Fuck it, everything is ruined, ain't got books or TV and sleeping upstairs is just depressing." Their brain just clicks and says, "Yep, I can't even try to fix this until the water drains away. So I'm going for a boat ride or getting the boys together to see what mischief we can do." So we reach the end of the story, the happy life he once had in a ruined mansion and pained memories of his lost family. Sort of an autist mindset of "Why cannot we do EVERYTHING?"The Swimmer is akin to a different kind of freedom following the horror of losing comfortable stability and reliable predictable life. When the flood comes and ruins all that you once prized, why despair entirely to the whims of nature? Renegotiate reality on your own terms. Change is inevitable and for those better off, usually unenviable. Even if your tiny "Empire of Dirt" is a soggy drowned anthill now, you still retain a belly of food, strong arms, strong back, a clever mind, and a sense of humor. The men that amuse themselves after a flood are the kind that the world cannot easily crush. Realize the power you still possess.Water skiing on a flooded farm field in Renville, Minnesota | FOX 9 KMSPhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8d_qjNRRpm4Jet ski hero rescues Queensland flood victims | A Current Affair https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gTd5mhVEDwE
>>200352823The way is face is shown upclose in this scene and previous one is unflinching>>200352980The Swimmer is a cautionary lesson
>>200341135Because he was not just A swimmer, he was THE swimmer
>>200348010>It's very masculine in a way that makes us realize the passage of time for men specifically and the accrued effect of uncertain past choices.Which is another aspect of having a man almost naked for 95 minutes. If you completely abandoned your current life and its trappings, what could you do as a homeless vagabond with your muscles, skills, and mind. Could you prosper or would you starve. The unbound man is naked in a sense unclothed from his car, his home, his job, his hobbies, the distraction of TV & books. Holy Shit, This Guy Is Taking Roy Off the Grid! This guy doesn't have a SSN for Roy! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X824zoJhigw If you remember THE INCREDIBLE HULK (1977) the vagabond genius is travelling from town to town, unfettered by society yet huddling close for survival. The dream of those too trapped by social demands and his unforgiving employer or greedy wife. To simply abandon the illusion of a dead end job and loveless marriage and flee elsewhere to another roll of the dice of fates. Why merely accept what society meagerly hands you like a housebroken dog? Strip off your suit, create a new identity and say a big, "fuck you" to everyone that sucks the money from your pockets and joy from your soul. "I'm outta here, he says, middle fingers extended", and the door slams behind him.
>>200353292>Which is another aspect of having a man almost naked for 95 minutes. If you completely abandoned your current life and its trappings, what could you do as a homeless vagabond with your muscles, skills, and mind. Could you prosper or would you starve. The unbound man is naked in a sense unclothed from his car, his home, his job, his hobbies, the distraction of TV & books.The Naked Prey uses a similar premise but for objectively survivalist/action narrative purposes. >Why merely accept what society meagerly hands you like a housebroken dog? Strip off your suit, create a new identity and say a big, "fuck you" to everyone that sucks the money from your pockets and joy from your soul. "I'm outta here, he says, middle fingers extended", and the door slams behind him.Sometimes but keep in mind Ned's objective was reconnecting with his neighbors/friends/acquaintances and ultimately family/household.
>>200351427What a tease
>>200353299Checked I'm going to send this to my friends whenever they're drunk
>>200353474kek
I'm very surprised by the amount of people on here who have seen this movie lol
>>200353745It's got all the charm and meme appeal for people to give it a chance, and because it's a good movie people like it and continue to recommend it.
>>200341135>radical bleh!
>>200353745I just happened to watch it when it was on criterion channel a few months ago
>>200353745>I'm very surprised by the amount of people on here who have seen this movie lolThe sooner you realize that /tv/ is mainly populated by 40 year old men making $200k+ a year with schizophrenic tendencies that see the beauty in a film about a former WASP protege that threw away his life chasing delusions and pussy that ultimately ends up destroying his life but it takes doing breaking and enterings into his former neighbors pools and almost running away with a 17 year old for you to realize that then the healthier you will be to either stop posting here or embrace your inner /swimmer/
>>200353745Same, never heard of it and usually when I talk about 50's/60's movies I've just watched I don't get many replies. Gonna give this a watch though looks interesting.
>>200353745>>200354123Part of its enduring appeal is that it's visually dazzling (see the webms above), it's open ended/enigmatic, doesn't spell things out and it hints at issues that can and should be avoided. It's a movie that purges several types of fears and emotions
>>200353745its on tubi
>>200354098>/tv/ is mainly populated by 40 year old men making $200k+ a year with schizophrenic tendenciesThis board would be much better if that was the case but we both know it isn't so anon. It's a zoom zoom and double digit iq brainlets mindbroken by the culture war jungle out there, it just doesn't seem that way when you're in one of the half a dozen or so boomer containment threads.
It's like At World's End but with swimming pools
>>200341135read the short story and you'll understand
>>200354816Maybe it's just because I'm a little out of it and I'm not in the mood for a drink or a discussion about the most recent RLM "review" or going to see a new "blockbuster" in theaters, but do you mind if I just take a lap in your pool?
>>200354958The frens present in this thread are always welcome to the /film/ pool.
>>200352070he swims in every pool
>>200347158>The other day I made a scene over a hotdog wagon and got kicked out of the partyThis is an A Confederacy of Dunces reference. Be honest now.>>200347796>I’m a WASP who’s having some financial issues currentlyYou are half of Cheever's characters, lol
>>200354801Does he discover an abandoned pool and goes insane?
>>200355057Watch the movie.
>>200348068I saw it over a year ago and thought the same but I purposely gatekept it. Don't want a thousand video essays and Reddit takes about it.
>>200355097maybe.. I will
>>200352488is this the latest tick tock craze?
>>200353745its a classic in the vein of falling down, any certified /tv/ user would know it or watch it after this thread
Diana Muldaur
>>200355473
>>200355531
>when you're Ned but you had nothing to begin with
>>200353745burt kino
>>200347506>muh psychedelic effects to mirror the inner struggles of charactersthe sixties were a mistake
>>200347788disgusting display of flabby flesh and sinful sensuality
>>200351427that's rape
>>200355057the abandoned pool is his own mind
>>200351014Hnnnggggg
>>200341135this movie made me uncomfortable t. 40yr old
