Who was in the right?
>>201717525They were all in the wrong. If the government was serious about ending organized crime they'd line up every single made man against the wall and execute them.
15 years in the can and a man can't joke around?
>>201717525Billy, Jimmy's mick only his friendship with Paulie saved him and Tommy wasn't made.
>>201717572>if criminals were serious about ending crime
>>201717605its why the real story makes more sense as to why he was wacked.
>>201717655weird how the government is supposed to protect and advocate for us but ends up being our enslavers, huh?
>>201717525jay leno looking guy manlet should just know his role
>>201717525Henry did the right thing in the end
>>201717574>Maybe you didn't hear about it, been away a long time. I don't suck and fuck anymore. I feed and seed now maybe you haven't heard
>>201717617This. You don't touch a made man. This is why the mob started to fall apart: they didn't honor all the traditions to the letter. Can't pick and choose what ones to follow and what not too. Just like the sopranos. Can't go on and on about the importance of tradition lip service and then ignore it when it's convenient.
>>201717808Maybe nobody went down there and told him?
>>201717525I don't think it's a great scene and feels like it was reverse engineered to make the ending work. If Tommy is so fucking volatile that he's willing to kill a made man, he cannot be trusted at all by anyone to do anything. And remember he left the place for who knows how many hours, until everybody left and it's just Batts with Jimmy and Henry, seemingly came back with nothing so why did he even leave the place, and managed to seethe the entire time.
>>201717572yeah because that always prevented future crime
>>201717525he was a made man they had no right to kill him
>>201718315>yeah because that always prevented future crimepretty sure if you wiped out the entire mafia crime would decrease and it would be a helluva incentive for no one else to take their place.
>>201717824I understand the sentiment but I think the downfall of the mob had a lot more to do with a massive increase in state power.
>>201718140It’s based on a true story, Billy Batts was a real person named William Bentvana and he was killed for making the shoeshine joke, at least according to the real Henry Hill. Though irl he was killed a week or so later at the same bar, not the same night.
>>201717525Crime Wogs 3: The Reunion
>>201718652Yes you are correct, although the tradition aspect is related: govt. put the screws on the mob, but it also depended on members turning states witness. Made men became disillusioned by the internal betrayal and unsanctioned killings that violated tradition, so they saw no point in keeping the don't snitch tradition. Joe Valachi is one, as well as Gravano. But you are right, RICO sets a scary precedent.
just breaking balls a little and tommy had to be mister type-a personality again. his fucking temper
>>201717525How can he claim he didn't insult anybody when he was clearly insulting him?
>>201717525He was just breaking his balls a little.
>>201718315Pretty sure it worked for El Salvador. America is just too corrupt to ever stop crime.
>>201717525he was just bustin his balls a little
>>201721757He was just breaking balls, and didn’t actually insult him until he had a bitchfit about it. If you had friends irl you’d understand.
>>201718140He also says:" Keep him here!" Way too loud. And Billy hears nothing. Always found that a bit jarring.
GETTING ALL FUCKIN FRESH
>>201719326The same Joe Valachi that squealed to the Senate committee on organized crime?
>>201717694Nothing about "govern" means advocate.
>>201717525Billy, since Tommy should have never told him to "not go bustin his balls".As a made man Billy was obligated to take up the challenge, since Tommy was just an associate at the time. If he didn't do it he would then lose face in front of the other wiseguys there, which could lead to him getting wacked for making the family look weak.Tommy should have just said "alright Billy, nice to see you" and go back to his party, which would have deescalated the entire situation no problem.
>>201718566they learned centuries ago that if you merc them all they get better at hiding their activities. raising the stakes also increases violence, because witnesses will die if they stand between you and a death sentence.cops monitor them, allow a certain level of criminality to take place and step in when the criminals start to get too rowdy. this is the most effective management tool for policing.if your ultimate objective is to keep the community safe, then it's in your best interests to only kill people that deserve it. you start killing people for imitating Egyptians you get riots.
>>201721876He was a little outta line
>>201717525You don't wack a made guy.
