ITT we discuss John Wayne.Who is he? A boomer relic like Bob Dylan that should be left in the past? Or an icon of masculinity?
>>201788157His Playboy interview secured his status as an eternal icon of basedness.
Regarding his thoughts on the wild bunch and violence; was violence in his movies toned down because of the hayes code, or because of tastes at the time?
How many contemporary movies did he do?
>>201788298they were all contemporary at the time
>>201788157Real name: Marion Michael Morrison
>inb4 tranny posters LARPing as Facebook boomers complain about his draft record
>>201788157>left the John Birch Society because he didn't believe their claims about fluoride in the water being a commie plotNot as redpilled as we'd like to believe.
>>201788455Anon. Just because it wasn't a commie plot doesn't mean that there wasn't a nefarious purpose for it.
>>201788228>PLAYBOY: You blame all this on liberals?>WAYNE: Well, the liberals seem to be quite willing to have Communists teach their kidsin school. The Communists realized that they couldn't start a workers' revolution in theUnited States, since the workers were too affluent and too progressive. So the Commiesdecided on the next-best thing, and that's to start on the schools, start on the kids. Andthey've managed to do it. They're already in colleges; now they're getting into highschools. I wouldn't mind if they taught my children the basic philosophy of communism,in theory and how it works in actuality. But I don't want somebody like Angela Davisinculcating an enemy doctrine in my kids' minds. https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/John_Wayne_Playboy_Int2.pdf
>>201788157Just watch Stagecoach and hopefully you'll get it
>>201788555That is merely one of many memorable quotes from that interview. Nice triples.
>>201788570>HOLD IT
>>201788335https://youtu.be/4riWYFjQ-EI?si=028JePLc-ePncgC2
>>201788253The Searchers is about a young girl repeatedly raped to the point he will no longer accept her as one of his own. That's more brutal than anything in The Wild Bunch.
>>201788157John waynehttps://youtu.be/BasedusTUFdl0?si=mds-z7lP99cM_5cT
>>201788851Shooting the eyes, too
>>201788157>A boomer relic like Bob Dylanyou're just an asshole aren't you
>>201788253The Hayes code was because of the taste of the time. People think it, and the hollywood blacklist as well, were forced onto the industry, when in fact it was the exact opposite.
>>201788934I don’t believe in Zimmerman.
>>201788157He was an actor who made a lot of good movies and also a lot of bad ones. That’s it.
>>201788157>One veteran recalled: "After my evacuation from Okinawa, I had the enormous pleasure of seeing Wayne humiliated in person at Aiea Heights Naval Hospital in Hawaii … Each evening, Navy corpsmen would carry litters down the hospital theatre so the men could watch a movie. One night they had a surprise for us. Before the film, the curtains parted, and out stepped John Wayne, wearing a cowboy outfit – 10-gallon hat, bandana, checkered shirt, two pistols, chaps, boots and spurs.">The account continued: "He grinned his aw-shucks grin, passed a hand over his face and said 'Hiya guys!'>"He was greeted by stony silence. Then somebody booed. Suddenly everyone was booing. This man was a symbol of the fake machismo we had come to hate, and we weren’t going to listen to him. He tried and tried to make himself heard, but we drowned him out, and eventually he quit and left."Back when military was based. John Wayne was a fraud.
>>201790472>This man was a symbol of the fake machismo we had come to hate, and we weren’t going to listen to himThis *definitely* happened. And then everyone clapped. WW2 vets definitely said things like "fake machismo".
>>201790472>man with shrapnel in his brain realizes that actors are just actors
>>201788157I really dislike John Wayne. I don't know particularly why, and I've watched a couple of his films, but something about his face and demeanor makes me irrationally angry. He comes off as extremely fake. This persona of the "tough guy" who's also "polite" but "until you get to my nerves, pardner" is very crude to me. It's not genuinely gentlemanly or at least "natural", it's just a facade of supposed toughness. He doesn't exude coolness or strength. He's not handsome, or a particularly great actor. I can look at someone like Mel Gibson or Clint Eastwood, and the coolness radiates. Cary Grant and Jimmy Stewart felt earnest and genuine proper gentlemen. Paul Newman and Robert Redford had an aura of effortless slickness to them. John Wayne puts me off in every conceivable way. It's as if there is nothing genuine there, just a mockup.
>>201790472>And then everyone clapped. And that young boys name was Albert EinsteinPeople who believe this obvious dreck should be sterilised.
>>201788157He + Ford influenced Akira Kurosawa to spaghetti westerns. Dylan's influence?
>>201788157:: Project Nortubel ::progress :: he didnt die an accident
>>201790913>Dylan's influence?If Johnny Cash, David Allan Coe, and Kris Kristofferson, Warren Zevon, (among others), call you a great songwriter- you're a great songwriter.
>>201790826I get the impression people like John Wayne because they're supposed to like him, not because they actually like him. And that he pretends to be the guy he thinks would be good for society. He's the broccoli of celebrities.
>>201791624That's exactly the feeling I get with Clint Eastwood.
>>201791727To me they're very different. Wayne believed he needed to project the image of coolness, courage, patriotism etc for something, to become the symbol because people needed symbols. Eastwood skips the "it needs to be done" stage and sincerely believes in his own coolness, breaks the conscious artificiality of image and becomes a pure embodiment of image.
>pink shirt and ascotJohn Wayne really was a fag.
>>201791727I don't get that feeling with Clint Eastwood at all. You may just be a faggot.
>>201792574Eastwood got famous because of foreigners with no understanding of the country.
>>201788298A bunch, even a few romcoms.
What’s your favorite John Wayne film?HARD MODE: nothing directed by John Ford or Howard Hawks
>>201788157He was a flag-waving simpleton marketed to flag-waving simpletons. It never got any deeper than that, and that was fine by the oatmeal-brained audiences who loved him.
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>>201793385>the oatmeal-brained audiences who loved him.You people like Jean-Luc Goddard and Francois Truffaut?
>>201788157>Who is he? A boomer relic like Bob Dylan that should be left in the past? Or an icon of masculinity?An American patriot and political centrist who represented Hollywood and the American film industry like no other actor, and is often misunderstood, for better or worse, by people who view him as an icon or an effigy.
>>201788157John Wayne was a fag.
>>201793277The Cowboys
>>201793277My favorite is Hondo. I think it's his best character, based on the short story that turned Louis L'Amour's career around, and James Edward Grant is the best, or at least the most personally fitting writer he ever worked with in terms of dialogue.Maybe not his best film on a technical level, but it's the one I find most comfy to put on and watch, and I can recite all the lines as I watch it
>>201793277Not really hard mode moron. Exhibit A: Rio bravo and red River. He worked with too many good directors and has a pretty diversified filmography
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>>201793970>Rio bravo and red RiverBoth directed by Howard Hawks.
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>>201788851If you're talking about Debbie then no she's not repeatedly raped you dumb nigger. It's quite clearly explained that she was kidnapped and when she came of age she became one of the chief's many wives. Ethan won't accept her because she's lain with natives, speaks and dresses like them
>>201793970Those are both Howard Hawks movies so that fails hard mode.Henry Hathaway makes it easier with True Grit, The Shepherd of the Hills, Legend of the Lost, North to Alaska, and The Sons of Katie Elder
>>201788157>>201788228>>201788455>>201788524>>201788555>>201788617Your raid failed
>>201790826>Cary Grant and Jimmy Stewart felt earnest and genuine proper gentlemenEven Cary Grant would disagree with you >> Grant remarked of his career: "I guess to a certain extent I did eventually become the characters I was playing. I played at being someone I wanted to be until I became that person, or he became me".[374] He professed that the real Cary Grant was more like his scruffy, unshaven fisherman in Father Goose than the "well-tailored charmer" of Charade.[375]>>Grant often poked fun at himself with statements such as, "Everyone wants to be Cary Grant—even I want to be Cary Grant"It's the nature of stardom that you create a persona and present that to the world. It happens that John Wayne's persona was one that made him an American icon and an internationally beloved celebrity. He was also well spoken and had a reputation for friendliness on set. The people who most disagreed with him on politics routinely stated that, meeting him in person and working with him, they found him very genuine and easy to get along withhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JscInCk56YYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldzyqs9tuZ4#t=1m45sBy all accounts, he was a good dude that people liked to work with even when they expected to hate him initially
>>201794014El dorado is my fave. Mitchum + duke = PHUN
>>201793277Really moved by the Shootist
>>201794930Big Jake is great too, where he pairs up with Bob's son Christopher Mitchum
>>201793385Speechifying ideologues have destroyed the world with NATO, so "democracy" has become no less sophistry than "patriotism" when both operate out of MIC.
>>201794695He understood that decorum, decency + agreeing to disagree are what held a country together.
>>201788157as most people say he was a relic of his time that symbolized values people held back then. obviously no ones a flag saluter as much anymore so the mention of him is gonna cause people to roll their eyes. also he married hispanic chicks which is based
>>201791116Yeah, was being facetious. Dylan dropped some song that spurred Jagger to go allegorical...was it Sympathy? His writing voice is that of a trickster, it's easier to admire the competitiveness he fostered.
>>201791624His persona, when not in lazy mode (Flying Leathernecks or sth), is truly remarkable as an screen creation. Every nuance comes from an attitude and philosophy of how to engage with world around him, put it in some order in relation to conflicts. As a technical creation it's more considered + deliberate than say, Bronson, but still looks effortless.
>>201788570Breathtaking the 1st time even after reading about it. The impressive thing is Ford/Wayne were creating from a blank canvas, that's exciting.
>>201788555Very sensible, more even tempered/open minded than his haters would have ppl believe. But Angela Davis grasped at whatever she thought helped her, cos she came from a more desperate place than him.
