A contrived, convoluted explanation to resolve the problems caused by a previously contrived plot device

Just reboot the fucking series.

what the fuck is an anchor being, God I hate capeshit

>multiverse
When will this meme end?

I haven't watched any fiction since the Venture Bros movie

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>Galactus immediately

>>205693930
>MULTIVERSE
>NOTHING MATTERS BECAUSE MULTIVERSE
>THAT CHARACTER DIED? NO PROBLEM !!!
>MULTIVERSE
worse shit from the feminoid era

>>205693930
Anchor beings should be deported with their parents.

>>205693930
it's getting too meta

just can the whole thing already

>>205693992
Important beings that hold the fabric of reality together

Spider-man is one of these divine chosen ones.

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>>205693930
what the fuck are they smoking
what the fuck do they think they achieve with this nonsense
what the fuck is the purpose of anchor beings

feels like a ripoff from doctor who.
>"uhhh i cant use my powers to save this person even though i have done it 100 times before"
>"why???? uhhh there are certain fixed points in time and space that i cannot manipulate"

>>205694304
why? imagine if i'm a fucking homeless indian kid, how the fuck am I supposed to know about spiderman? what the fuck did this cracker ever do to me?

>>205694419
they're trying to compensate for the fact that they can't keep raising the stakes forever. power creep is getting too high and they need to come up with excuses for why characters with god like power are somehow too weak to stop somebody from getting killed

I though the anchor being concept was just to make a meta commentary on how the fox marvel universe died when wolverine died

>Mr. Spictastic
>Silver Surfette
I shan't be watching

>>205694304
peter parker

>>205694088
He's not really a final boss type

Being meta is extremely lazy storytelling, anchor beings are basically just "if this character is unpopular, the films die" canonized. Which yeah, no shit.

I could create a fictional universe where I am the in-universe god of that reality, and canonically I can make anything happen in that universe, because I am the writer, I am god. It makes sense, but it's lazy hack writing

Nothing in the post explains who or what the anchor is. Post the fucking link next time

>>205694551
This is the best case scenario. It works in the meta-narrative of D&W but it would be a retarded concept if applied to the larger MCU so I hope they ignore it on future films.

>>205694551
Pretty sure its a concept in the shitty comics its just whoever wrote deadrool and wolverine used it for an actually good reason.

>>205693930
THEY ARE HACKS
MARVEL PRODUCERS ARE DEMOHACKS

>>205694676
He doesn’t need to be in the first film though

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jani lane was an anchored being. the world went to shit when he died.

>>205693992
I figured an anchor being was just some meta joke about nobody giving a shit about the X-Men franchise after Logan died but Kevin Feiggot probably thought it was brilliant and decided to actually use it as a writing tool for this dead franchise.

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>more tva/multiverse

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I wait for the end of Avengers 6 when the multiverse ends and everything gets reset into a singular timeline.
god it's crazy how much of DC's thunder Marvel got to first, literally everyone is asking for a Crisis type in-universe reset.

The multiverse is an uninteresting anti-concept since it makes the stakes precisely zero.
Why care about some hero doing some accomplishment or defeating a villain when either of them have an infinite versions of themselves.
If someone dies, at this point they can time-travel to save them, pull them from a different universe to get a near-identical copy, pull them out of the past, pull them out of the future, etc...
It makes everything arbitrary and lame.

Like someone said the other day it's like the entire MCU is a JRPG and after defeating the big boss Thanos the party members are now doing side quests of no particular relevance.

And it doesn't help that they replaced all of white male hero characters with lame side characters that are just plain shit.

Even worse now they're pulling RDJ back in with pure stunt casting as Doom, so they even fucked that up right out the door.

>>205694499
he probably stopped dr doom from destroying india at least once
it would disgust him

>>205694891
>I figured an anchor being was just some meta joke
Tom Holland Spiderman has been rumored as an anchor being well before D&W came out so it seems like it's an actual concept they are running with.

>>205694996
Doesn't him being dusted in Endgame matter anymore? I'm guessing it didn't count because he returned or some shit

>>205694996
>>205694970
>>205694767

I think they want to use this as a "pass the torch" moment where peter parker goes through a portal and saves the multiverse like his idol tony stark, and miles morales takes over as regular spiderman

>>205694970
>The multiverse is an uninteresting anti-concept since it makes the stakes precisely zero.
Yep

>>205694970
I'm not against multiverse's in narratives, and I am looking forward to it inevitably falling apart in-universe as I enjoy that trope, but MCU handled it's multiverse very poorly.

>>205694970
The way they did timeshit and multiverse stuff in Endgame/Infinity War was basically as far as ot ever should have gone. Loki opened a huge can of worms.

power creep is getting so bad the only thing they could do is a Roger Rabbit style mix of real actors and animated characters crossover with DBZ, set to the Falconer score. just battle after battle of Broly bodying the Avengers one by one.

>>205693930
>Multiverse.

This shit killed the MCU. Just go back to normal stories anymore. Normies tuned out as soon as it got confusing and you were expected to watch TV shows to keep up.

Wanchor beings.

>>205693992
Some shit that Loki and Deadpool 3 introduced.

I thought it was a 4th wall joke that you would only do in Deadpool. Based on Disney getting all of the Fox stuff and throwing out what came before, except Jackman. Taking the idea seriously, and using it outside of the Deadpool movie, would be dumb.

Galactus being a sort of "anchor being" - which he sort is anyway in canon, since various cosmic entities have said his presence is essential to the universe - makes sense, because he was the first lifeform in his current universe as a refugee from the universe before it.

Logan as an anchor being, or really any normal person being an anchor being, makes no sense at all. How did the universe exist before Logan was born? He's only 200 years old, the universe was there for billions of years before him. If there was an anchor before him, why can't there just be an anchor after he dies?

>>205693992
Main characters

>>205693930
no I hate all this contrived shit

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>>205694088
>Galactus
>one of the biggest bad guys in the Marvel universe
>devours entire planets for a snack
>jobs to everyone in the MU
Galactus is, was and will always be a bitch.

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What happens when an anchor being dies? Does the universe die too? Isnt that what happened in dp3? So doesnt that mean there are constantly universes randomly dying midway when their anchor being dies in the multiverse? Also how did their universe exists billions of years before the anchor being was born?

>Tzadikim Nistarim
>The Tzadikim Nistarim (Hebrew: צַדִיקִים נִסתָּרים, "hidden righteous ones") or Lamed Vav Tzadikim (Hebrew: ל"ו צַדִיקִים,x"36 righteous ones"), often abbreviated to Lamed Vav(niks),[a] refers to 36 righteous people, a notion rooted within the mystical dimensions of Judaism
> righteous people, most of them unknown, who sustain the world.

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>>205696325
anon you've thought about it more than the creators have

>>205693930
Only if it's a cosmic being like Galactus.

>>205693930
Holy fuck I hate multiverses. I didn’t hate it that much when it was constrained to comic books but now the movies have it bleeding into every fucking media. Just end it. Stand on your own or fuck off and die

>>205696955
Let's include time travel in that
Sometimes time travel is okay but you have to have so many constraints on it that it feels convoluted to the point of breaking

I hate this sort of fourth wall breaking meta writing when it's actually being used as plot points rather than just as a quick joke. It comes from writers whose primary inspiration comes from consuming media rather than actually living real life and can only write in terms of media references.

>>205694099
>>205693998
spider-man no way home - 2 billion dollars
deadpool and wolverine - 1.3 billion dollars

multiverse sells. nobody gives a shit about the marvels.

>>205698361
suspected Tobey and Andrew cameos vs just Hugh Jackman confirmed, on top of Spider-Man being a more popular character

>>205698468
The point is they both made over a billion not one being more popular than the other you dullard

>>205694499
even homeless jeets know spidey

>>205694149
Kek

>>205698513
ok, here's another point. nobody cares about the multiverse shit all they care about is seeing recognizable actors from old movies

>>205694996
>The spiderman who no one cares is the anchor
Bravo Marvel, bravo. The character who has needed Iron Meme, Maguire and Garfield to be relevant.

>>205696325
Don’t think about it too much. The writers clearly didn’t.

>>205694536
how does that achieve this

Now I remember they're going to have a female silver surfer. Glad I outgrew this trash as a kid.

>>205693930
The Multiverse is more or less a device to add in all the other Fox franchises post-Avengers.
It and the alternate timelines won't be an important thing once that's accomplished.

>>205696172
Well, yeah? Dr. Doom wins, then he can perhaps rule the world for a generation or two. Galactus wins, and Earth is eaten. Therefore, Doctor Doom can possibly win and still maintain the setting whilst Galactus will never be allowed to.

>>205699684
>they're going to have a female silver surfer
Seriously?

>>205699920
kek brown people just believe anything on 4chan

>>205699943
its julie gardner
https://www.imdb.com/news/ni64519429/

>>205699920
>>205699943
They are going to have a Shalla-bal Silver Surfer in this FF parallel dimension timeline, and Norrin Rad Surfer in the 616.
It's just more What If stories.

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>>205694499
>he doesn't know about best boy

>>205700277
>saar do not redeem the spider saar, bloody benchod england stole all of our art

>>205694970
>Why care about some hero doing some accomplishment or defeating a villain when either of them have an infinite versions of themselves.
is individuality really this hard of a concept to understand? Each variant has different experiences and histories.

i hope everyone ITT is 12 years old, because it would be fuckin pathetic for grown-adults to be discussing children's comic-book movie adaptations.

>>205702614
who else would be discussing them? and also
>children's
these movie feature gays, trannies and dykes.

>>205702667
comic books and their movie adaptations are for children.

>>205693930
It worked as a dumb meta-joke macguffin in Deadpool 3, but I'm not about to start taking that concept seriously

>>205694304
>a nigga who can climb good is a prerequisite for existence

Apparently that's a fake leak.

>>205702567

You're not getting it.

>hero goes through hell to defeat the villain
>many sacrifices are made
>people gave their life for the villain to be defeated
>TVA pops out of a portal "lmao bro nevermind we got this"
>they zap the villain out of existence
>also fix everything instantly
>also made it so the defining moment of your life never happened so you're all chill now no problems living your best life
>also you have a favorite puppy and the name of the puppy is the name of the villain
>sike just kidding it's just a puppy lmao zany joke haha
>cut to some random dude suffering in dimension X that is actually you but not you but also the villain but also not the villain in a post credits scene

this is how retarded everything is right now, zero stakes, random subversions and reddit-gotcha lmao zany joke

>>205693930
Why do they keep insisting on dragging the multiverse into everything? Just drop the multiverse concept, pretend it never happened, and move forward. You know, like comics do when they introduce stupid shit everyone hates.

>>205700277
>spider-yoyo
Fucking why?

I don’t understand how anchor beings work. Wolverine was the anchor being of his reality for example…

But he was born in the 1800’s. All of history before he was born exists. So how is that possible if this reality only survives thanks to him existing?

Also the stakes are laughable for losing your anchor being. Paradox said it takes thousands of years for the universe to eventually die off after the anchor being dies, that’s a long ass time and no reason for anybody to worry more than climate change lol

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>>205694866
damn this guy was cute

>>205703306
>TVA pops out of a portal "lmao bro nevermind we got this"
>they zap the villain out of existence
>also fix everything instantly
they don't, they wipe out that entire branch. Every part of that branch that was effected by the variant is thrown to Alioth. If you are also affected by the actions of that variant, you are sent to the Void too.

>>205703771
>I don’t understand how anchor beings work. Wolverine was the anchor being of his reality for example…
It's just typical Deadpool 4th wall meta shit. After Logan, no one cared about new X-Men movies and they all kept bombing. They're just acknowledging that certain franchises only work because of the overwhelming popularity of a single character, and if you try to push that character out of the spotlight the whole franchise will collapse because audiences just won't give a fuck any more.

>But he was born in the 1800’s. All of history before he was born exists. So how is that possible if this reality only survives thanks to him existing?
Again, this is a Deadpool movie and Deadpool is a 4th wall breaking character. Wolverine is a fictional character in a fictional universe. Fictional worlds are created already in motion, the first X-Men comic didn't start with the Big Bang.

>Also the stakes are laughable for losing your anchor being. Paradox said it takes thousands of years for the universe to eventually die off after the anchor being dies, that’s a long ass time
It's a metaphor for how dying franchises keep fruitlessly trying to stay relevant despite all interest falling off a cliff.

>>205703592
most people love the multiverse

>>205693930
Oh good another
Hero origins
And
Multiverse
Movie
Yay

>>205698513
They cared because of Maguire, Huge Act Man and le redditpool, not because of multislopverse shit.

>>205704119
What you're saying is logical, but it doesn't actually change how the stakes FEEL to the viewer. It's like the difference between a poor kid with a set of action figures he loves and being a rich kid whose parents buy him every action figure in the store multiple times over.

If something bad happens to one of the poor kid's action figures, he'll be devastated because he can't replace it.
If something bad happens to one of the rich kid's action figures, he'll just shrug and move onto playing with one of his other hundreds of action figures.

It doesn't matter if you think about what the action figure would feel if it's real, because you know it's not real and how invested you'll be in what happens to it will always be tied to how permanent the consequences feel to you, the viewer. That's the whole problem, post-multiverse we just have an infinite toy box of identical action figures and nothing that happens to them matters to the viewer.

>>205704467
>OHAMMY
What did he mean by this?

>>205693930
The TVA fucking SUCKS and it ruined this multiverse shit before it even gained steam, just have them be all killed by Doom or something.

>>205694088
>Immediately
There's been like 50 of these movies bro...

>>205704246
You might be giving these movies too much credit

>>205693992
Nothing that actually matters beyond being an excuse for "we brought [actor] back".

>>205695378
wait what
I actually have to watch that shit

>the TVA
I knew the Loki series would have horrible consequences for the MCU. Between Kang and the TVA, that show was a poisoned pill.

Fuck LOKI

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>MORE TVA CRAP
istg whoever came up with this shit needs to be raped forever

>>205704807
>have them be all killed by Doom or something.
Great idea actually

>>205694085
watched any good nature doc?

>>205708639
>>205708008
I don't think the TVA would be as big of a problem if they were actually depicted as a dangerous and overwhelming force who mercilessly kept the multiverse in check. But they're all so fucking bumbling and incompetent and bad at their jobs that it's impossible to take anything that they're involved with seriously.

You're already in a situation where having a multiverse at all can rob MCU movies of having real stakes, so drawing the eye of the TVA needs to represent a real danger, something to be feared, so that multiverse meddling isn't a get out of jail free card for avoiding narrative consequences and bringing back dead characters.

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>>205696325
>Young species just discovers fire and has a prosperous home planet with plenty of resources and about to grow their civilisation
>Somewhere in the universe some dude dies and happens to be the anchor being
>Universe starts to fade away
Lmao

>>205693930
>the Multiverse is dying
Then what was the fucking point of Loki saving it?

>>205704667
>difference between a poor kid with a set of action figures he loves and being a rich kid whose parents buy him every action figure in the store multiple times over.
this is where is comes down to what the individual viewer values. Whether one values every single story throughout the multiverse, whether big or small will rest alongside their view on the stakes in the multiverse. I personally would enjoy a series following a hero who travels the multiverse saving every individual universe that hero can, even if it seems small in the grand scale of things. Because every story has its own value and separate stake.

>>205694088
I would’ve gone for Molecule Man personally, but Galactus and Silver Surfer are F4 rouges

>>205708008
>>205708639
I liked the addition of The Void. It has some good potential, but if the current projects are anything to go by, Marvel/Disney will likely either brush it off entirely, or use it as a replacement for Battleworld

>>205693930
No it's fucking retarded. Some faggot swinging from buildings is so important that his whole universe falls to ruin if he dies? Nonsense

>>205694564
The correct term is Senior Fantastico

>>205710066
unironically a way cooler name than Mr. Fantastic

How many times has the multiverse been in danger again?

>>205693930
why would they all be from earth in every universe?

>>205693930
Is Jesus Christ an anchor being?

>>205694970
Reminder that Iron Man invented totally consequence free time travel and no one brings it up.

>>205698361
>multiverse sells
Nostalgia sells. Straight white male protagonists sell.

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>>205709595
>you’re seconds away from kissing the christina hendricks of your universe
>10k km away the anchor being breaks his neck by going down some stairs
>your universe starts fading away

>>205694891
yeah that seems to be the case

>>205694947
It would be hilarious if Feige called DC, asked to use the DCEU-Justice League as one of the multi-universes, and they let him for a share of the box office.

>>205709698
How the fuck do you possibly have a fight with Molecule Man when he can just unravel you at a whim
It would be like that dogshit Wanda fight in MoM but worse

>>205694304
>Spider-man is one of these divine chosen ones.
Who come he was able to be clicked away then?

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>>205693930

Will Reed still be unfathomably based?

>>205694088
We've already had Thanos with the full Infinity Gauntlet and in the comics, that's far stronger than Galactus
In Eternals we saw Celestials in action and they mog Thanos in scale

Them using the multiverse stuff in proper hands could be fun but in small doses.
But it's Disney Marvel.
They're using it to hand wave recasting, explain why previous movies/flops exist, and shoe horn cameos.
Chances are this will be their explaination for why the first two Fantastic 4 movies, that reboot, don't exist anymore.

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Jheri Curled Beyonder vs All of Marvel when?!?

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>>205714827
>comic accurate Hercules
>that silly ass villain in the red hat
>black Captain America next to White Nick Fury and a black Nick Fury behind them
>2 Moon Knights next to each other

>>205694099
I'm going to assume that the FF and Galctus are going to fix the multiverse
Because their stories are usually about different dimensions

>>205693992
you can't get deported if you have one

But no one's immortal, they'll die eventually. If dying of old age is acceptable because "it was their fate" then why isn't being shanked by a youth for their shoes their fate?

>>205715095
kek