At what point did game of thrones become unsalvageable?
>>206066386normal answer: after season 4real answer: after season 1
>>206066386Season 2 episode 1 I think when Cersei has her guards spin around after Littlefinger acts out of character and arbitrarily shows his hand.
>>206066386When Martin stopped writing. Then it became a quippy soap opera written by two retards
the second they didn't cast to be age accurate.
>>206066386When they role reversed cat and ned in s1 for no reason
>>206066567friendly reminder that the "good seasons" 1-4 already had tons of stuff that never was in the books, but those scenes were still generally well liked by audiences>robert and cersei laughing about their sham marriage>show robert is a lot more charming and likeable than book robert>yoren's sacrifice to protect arya>arya being cupbearer to tywin>gendry and davos on dragonstone>jon and thormund banter>jon and ygritte's love story is much more developed>jon avenging mormonts death and killing the deserters at craster's>arya and the hound is a lot better developed>hound vs brienne duelnone of this is in the books, and it was specifically written by D&D for the show, yet it was still considered good.the simple answer is just that everyone involved got lazy in the last few seasons, you just have to look at the episode numbers, we're missing 6 episodes (half a season) because they couldnt be bothered to do 10 each anymore.
>>206066448fpbp
>>206066386Unsalvageable? Sometime in season 5. Show sucked from the very start though, martin is a faggot who only knows how to deconstruct/undermine proper and meaningful works for a cheap shock win. The entire story from the very start is done in bad faith and he will, and should, go down in history as one of the many cultural black holes of the past decade.
>>206067998>>arya being cupbearer to tywinI hated this, it just made Tywin look like a retard>hmmm some northern noble girl is clearly trying to disguise herself as a lowborn>I'll refuse to look into it any further Also makes Arya look like a retard for not asking Jaquen to kill him right away
>>206066567They didn't even run out of material. They cut most of the two last books that could've been 2 seasons, and crammed what they kept from them into S5, they were already bored and rushing to the finish line before they had caught up with the books >>206067998>jon and ygritte's love story is much more developedThis is this the one thing I think the show improved upon massively. I liked Talisa as well, D&D were good at writing love stories. I would say S5 is when it became unsalvageable because they clearly didn't care anymore, they just gutted most of ADWD and AFFC
>>2060688802bh affc and adwd are fucking trash with nothing going on. im pretty sure the fat fuck just found the manuscripts for the first 3 books in a yard sale, they are great reads
>>206068880>I liked Talisa as well, D&D were good at writing love storiesIs this bait? Talisa sucked ass.
>>206069284They're better than what we got instead in the show>>206069412No it's not bait, I don't know why people hate this change so much. GRRM even said he'd go back and give Robb POV chapters if he could. Robbs a dumb teenager who was horny in both the show and the books, so I don't think him having a technically more moral and honorable excuse for breaking his oath in the books matters that much. Robb just shows up with Jeyne in the books, in the show we actually see him fall for Talisa
>>206069966hes not a teenager in the show though so he just looks like a good ol retard
>>206068415lord of the rings will never ever be relevant again.
>>206066448no, normalfags unironically think the show was fine until s7-s8
>>206072217That's like the chad and stacy live bar reaction audience though. Anyone who still cares about GoT enough to discuss it probably doesn't like anything after S4
>>206066386When they cut the best chapter
>>206072383I'll never understand this meme. Dany is alone and stranded rapidly dehydrating because she's sick. What's the problem?
>>206072960Page 10 found Anon shitposting in the thread, kvetching. Every post was shittier than the one before, and worded even more poorly. By the time a bump came he was posting pure shit. The more he thought about it the more confused he got. The more confused he got he thought about it even more, and his confusion sent him back to the thread suck up more (You)s.
>>206066386before the end of season 1
>>206066386season 1 episode 1 first scene
>>206068415cope, you tolkiendrone.
>>206066386when it was announced
>season 1I think this is basically the correct answer. But fuck even that aged kind of poorly. I know season 1 was kind of low budget, but fuck some of those shots are lame. First book was easily the best too though.
>last time Jaime and Tyrion speak as brothers>"Dabid how should we reintroduce the audience to the Tysha backstory, it's been a few seasons">"fuck that let's kill the Jaime and Tyrion plotlines to seethe at Orson Scott Card instead"Thus Tyrion had nothing to do afterward, no Tysha, no hateful vengeance on Jaime and Cersei, just 3 seasons of cock jokes.Jaime had nothing to atone for, since he never told his brother how much he betrayed him, and thus spent 3 seasons doing whatever the fuck Jaime did from seasons 5-8Tyrion killed Tywin because he said "whore", no other reason.
>>206072960Its and easy shit post and taken out of context it is kinda bizarre. In context it makes sense though.
>>206066386Ramsay's 20 good men
>gets scared by dogs and a shirtless man then turns back
>>206072217It's so wild to me that the majority of people watching the show legitimately thought season 7 was at least "ok".It was a real big wakeup call to me about how normies are easily the most powerful force in media and I understand why execs keep bending over backwards for them.
>>206067998The books aren't good either.
>>206066386>What was Aragorn's tax policy?From the man who wrote all these absurdly unrealistic and outright retarded things>The same dynasties ruling the same holdings for fucking millennia>Everyone speaks the same language in every corner of the planet>Winters that go on for years and somehow non-foraging species aren't extinct >Caricatures of honorable men respecting the word of proven dishonorable and dishonest people>Caricatures of honorable men serving dishonorable tyrants that somehow last more than a single year before someone poisons them or overthrows them>Cities that trade entirely in slaves>An absolute kingdom with an entirely decentralized government and no standing professional army>religions are caricatures of real life faiths with no tenants nor purpose other than to be stand-ins>murdering entire families is a-okay if you're king but breaking muh guest right and killing your own kin is super fucking bad, i swear for realises, even though we don't give a fuck about anything else as long as you're highborn
>>206069284affc was brilliantpure literary kinoadwd was terrible though i agree
>>206075873Show Ramsay was a beast.and GRRM made book ramsay some Machiavellian gigachad in one book and a complete retard in the next
>>206075663it's adorable you think jaime or tyrion's plots after that scene had any substance to them rather than grrm realizing they were basically done
