Why did it flop so hard?
>flopLooked pretty popular to me. Still a cringe rehash of GT in my view, but it seemed to me fans were liking it.
our show is so CUTE and POWERFUL. we won diapabros
>>207444632Slow pacing really hurt, I get that temptation to slow down when you already have a captive audience but this often fails.
Super > Daipa > GT
I haven't bothered to watch it and I was really into Super towards the end with the ToP arc. Hate anime but that was peak shonenslop, just really fun.I don't care about the Daima 'kid' gimmick, I've just felt no pull. I don't think they were confident enough to market this hard in the west, seems like a Toriyama pet project that they got stuck with.Super will come back and probably now evolve in a direction that fans have always wanted but Toriyama has always denied.
>>207444632it's...okay
>>207445866Based anon with good taste
>>207445144>Slow pacing really hurtit has the vibes of OG DB but with faster pacing, WTF are you talking about? The story moves faster than in DB Kai.
>>207446373>it has the vibes of OG DB Imagine being this delusional
The Muppet Babies angle just doesn't hit the mark. They don't even look like child versions of themselves at all, just shorter adults with big heads. Shameless attempt to tap back into the early Dragon Ball chapters without any of the charm. The only good things to come out of it so far is Panzy, Dr.Arinsu and her two autistic Majin kids
>>207446485>Imagine being this delusional
Threadly reminder that he WON. Also, he was the only one that could solve the second challenge that was to actually to test mental acuity without assistance. Toei had to nerf JOBku's second challenge to literally another physical make it even remotely believable, but defeating the point that a warrior has to be strong AND smart to deserve the dragon ball..
>>207446373Original DB had soul. Daima is just boring slop
>>207447078Shame a pointless transformation is what got people to actually talk about Daima, especially one as ugly as SSJ3 but within the context of the episode its fine. Poor Kuu didn't even get credit, I feel like hes either gonna die or get absorbed though
>>207447078>Beerus-sama, you WILL fuck my wife
>>207444632I'm waiting for the dub.
>>207447478>soul>slop
>>207445866>Super will come back and probably now evolve in a direction that fans have always wanted but Toriyama has always denied.You say this as if its a good thing. Its gonna turn into Super Dragon Heroes.
>>207444632I don't understand. Where is this in the chronology of the larger Dragon Ball narrative?
>>207447478DB is unfunny and an optional prequel, Z had soul
>>207447745like a year after Buu but 2 years before Super.
>>207447770Actual retard
>>207447770>DB is unfunny and an optional prequel, Z had soulThe reality is the opposite, are you baiting us you big jerk!?
>>207444632>flop so hardBy what metric?
>>207444632Multiplatform release
>>207444632I wonder if it was because of the dogshit art, dogshit story, the dogshit characters or the dogshit retcons.Not to mention the characters literally look like chibi dolls.Impressive how they managed to make GT look like a masterpiece.None of this matters thought since weebshitskins have absolutely no standards and their iq is abyssal to begun with.
>>207447712he was never really involved in anything besides just doing a design here and there or approving other peoples ideas/designs etc. daima was the first thing he actually had a hand in and he still didn't do much there either, just gives general ideas/direction. he was over dragonball but just helped the ip over the decades for the fans which is based since most creators/artists hate their fans.
Super had some terrible fucking designs like Jiren and Hit that I actually prefer the lil Demon King and the new majins
>>207445866>Super will come back and probably now evolve in a direction that fans have always wanted but Toriyama has always denied.Like what?
>>207447939>forgetting how shit super looked
>>207447964>HitThis. Literally just a purple penis wearing a coat.
>>207447964>not liking Jiren
>>207448044he's literally the worst villain in all of Dragon Ball. At least initially it seems like they were going for the angle of him being the hero of his own story, but they even fucked that up.
>>207448044Isn't this pic traced from some other anime?Jiren is just a generic ayy lmao on steroids. It's one of the ugliest and most uncreative designs I've ever seen, which is really saying considering the designs of the characters were one of Dragon Ball's main strong points back in its prime.
>>207445866>Super will come backJust two more weeks, bro.>>207446113>admits to liking literal slop>good tasteYou're retarded, lmao.
>>207448044thats just a reskinned El Hermano
>>207448179>Just two more weeks, bro.I thought it was confirmed
>>207447488I liked how Kuu was ok with not getting credited for helping his fat brother solve the math problem. He's an easy-going character, which is a nice change of pace from a sea of super serious and retarded characters the show has. I also like how that display shows that he's very sharp. His brother is much stronger physically, but lacks his intellect. All those fusion bugs we keep getting teased of, will probably be used to fuse them together
>>207447712Toei got away with making a great deal of OC content over the years that people really liked. They don't always hit gold though, but they're capable. One thing I'll miss from Toriyama is his art, which Toei would get from him when they needed new concept art. That's not to say Toei artists can't make their own stuff from scratch well, like Tadayoshi Yamamuro who designed Janemba, but they benefited a lot from having Toriyama to go to when they needed someone to look things over
>>207447939I'll take the few good scenes we get in Daima over the entirety of Super
>>207448044not one of toriyama's designs, don't care about him. lame as shiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeet.
>>207444632not enough Panzy. you can tell they heavily edited the story after Toriyamas death in order to add fights and remove Panzy scenes.
>>207447770trannimerican detected
Broly>Super Hero>Daima>GT>Super
>>207444632Go back to /a/
>>207448146>Jiren is just a generic ayy lmao on steroidsThat's the appeal, it's a sleek design with no gimmicks that still managed to convey power really well.
>>207449988>Broly > Super Hero > Super > Daima > GTFixed
>>207449988>>207450181>Broly>GT>Super>Super Hero>DaimaFixed all your mistakes this time.
Not enough baby 18
>>207446373its only going to be 20 episodes. The amount of filler is spectacular. I mean how many times have they collectively lost their stupid fucking ships so far?
It's ok but it was overhyped as the return to adventures instead of the usual big bad guy and is nothing like that
>>207450276Stranger danger
>>207445866Super was fucking slop man, hundreds of episodes of trash that only became sort of fun towards the tail end of the Tournament of PowerThe Super retellings of Battle of Gods/Resurrection F and the Goku Black arc are probably the nadir of Dragon Ball
>>207444632It all went downfill after the Freezer arc. Now we only get vibes and aura.
>>207450181>Broly>Number 1It would be if it didn't turn into shitty looking braindead fighting slop once Broly meets Goku and Bejita
>>207444837Spics love it because they fall for anything the internet tells them. >>207445516Go back to plebbit spic
>>207444632>1st episode>bad guys watch and talk about dbz clips for 15 minutesbeyond terrible
>>207450276This
>>207450351the only adventures in Dragon Ball were Pilaf and Red Ribbon. I guess Namek counts as well
>>207451178Not just that. The cast does nothing but exposition after that lmao. Only when they leave earth you finally get something watchable at least
>>207451018As opposed to you who will fall for anything 4chan tells you?
>>207451211Gohan during the year he's training with Piccolo. There's also the short arc where Goku and Chichi go looking for the Banchoh fan.
>>207444632History of Trunks > Android Saga > Cell => Frieza => Saiyan > Buu > Dragon Ball entirety > non canon DB/Z movies > Super Broly > Super Hero > Tournament of Power > Battle of Gods > GT > the rest of Super. I didn’t watch Daima yet
>>207451370Those were all filler.
>>207445866Based.I could not care less about the kid gimmick. I just want them to get back to Super, but actually do it well.Super was good, but it wasn't great. There was a lot they can fix.
Super is Garbage and is Non Canon the Canon Ending was GT
>>207451540The canon ending is Dragon Ball with Goku flying away to train with Oob
>>207445866>Hate anime but that was peak shonenslop, just really fun.why do so many normies watch ToP and think it's good. hate you guys. get some taste.
It's good if you liked the original, but I can see how newer people would dislike the lack of power levels, 20 minutes of charging or 5 different forms per character. It's a show about adventure. The environments and characters are done very well.
>>207451616toriyama died for a good reason. fuckin garbage when the audience are angry minoritiesimagine jujutsu kaisen but with dragon ball Z tier aeshteticsnow that... would be it. but the fuckin faggot makes a children show for adults
>>207449913>not enough Panzy. you can tell they heavily edited the story after Toriyamas death in order to add fights and remove Panzy scenes.Toriyama did a lot of dumb shit, but creating Panzy? He's absolved of any wrong doing. If I find out Toei removed any Panzy scenes so they should squeeze in more SSJ3 Veggies and other fight slop, I'll personally go Kyoto Animation arson Kaioken x100 on the Toei building
>>207451685baste
>>207451674>imagine jujutsu kaisen but with dragon ball Z tier aeshteticsSo... shitty animation like super... again?
>>207451782animations? kid do you have adhd? i want a fuckin mature story being told with sex, blood and death
>>207451806>i want a fuckin>fuckinoh god the millennial curse...
>>207450020That's a shitty appeal if I ever saw one, lmao.Frieza also had a sleek design with no gimmicks but he still managed to look iconic and original.You're a tasteless and embarrassing retard for having this garbage opinion.
>>207451806>i want a fuckin mature story being told with sex, blood and death...and jjk was your example LMAO
a single fight in daima has more unique frames than the entirety of super
>>207450020>Sleek designLol. It looks like complete shit
>>207451423And they were fun adventure stories.
>>207451370I was thinking more of the manga canon but yeah those do count
>>207445144the pacing picks up starting in episode 8
>>207451685>oh by the way she's 87 years oldWhy is Japan like this for me its the genderless turnip
>>207450020At some point, different artists, some at Toei too, started giving Jiren a face and nose similar to Buutenks. I guess you can only get so much expression out of him if he doesn't have a nose, or I don't know. I like it though and i liked his character much more near the end of the series, when he was getting pissed and screaming and yellin about not having any friends. That's understandable and relatable for most 4chin posters. Truly one of us
>>207444632>DUDE GOKU IS A KID AGAINThis season has been nothing but slop
>>207447500>tard-ku projection
>>207452471Panzy and Dairy Queen ice cream hair lady is all I watch this show for. Ahhhh, Panzy and Arinsu road trip spin-off when?!
>>207444632It's boring. Boring DQ ass characters, boring RPG environment, boring rehashed gimmick of turning people back into children, boring "humor", boring dialogue, boring fights ("B-but it's well animated!" is moeshitter logic. Goku effortlessly thrashing jobbers is not engaging.) Why do they keep coming up with new sequels to replace old ones? Do today's kids give a shit about DB?
>>207452879>Goku effortlessly thrashing jobbers is not engagingThis is the worst. Goku wiping out hordes of feeder enemies for a half an hour is just total shit. Maybe they'd drop a little bit of old lore in there to pacify you, but that's really a poor concession. The whole point of making Goku a kid was to make him weaker, but so far, he rips through everything without any problem at all. Making him really weak where he had to actually struggle, would have made fights fun to watch, but so far, that's not the case
>>207444632>GT is hated, but it's some Toei creation so we can write it off as a fanfic and make a REAL sequel>it's so shit people now have fond memories of GT>now try to remake GT but canonsad
>>207454019Super was way better than GT
Daipa is shit
>>207445866The ONLY parts of modern-day dragon ball that are good are the parts toriyama wroteBattle of Gods/Broly/Superhero are goodDaima is fun and getting better each epFrIeza character development is pretty good 2 everything else is shiti still have no fucking idea for what his plan for super was, he only had 2 fucking tournament arcs in his mindhe really thought super would be 2 arcs of recaps and 2 tournament arcs i actually love how little he gives a shitPan is also only good when he writes her and shit every other time
>>207455445Pan kinda sucks in GT. Her design is cute but her actual writing is terrible. Bulla is better
Nobody cares about the fucking baby gimmick. Couldn't they have done the same show with the characters being adults?
>>207454441Me when I have severe brain damage
>>207455491GT didn't even know what to do with Trunks
>>207455560To be fair, Super/Z/Heroes are Future Trunks. GT is adult Kid Trunks. Different characters, even though they're technically the same person. Future Trunks came from the bad future, has all that emotional baggage, trained with the Z fighters during the Androids saga. Kid Trunks' only real combat experience was dicking around with Goten in friendly sparring matches and jobbing as Gotenks.
>>207445866>seems like a Toriyama pet project that they got stuck with.Wrong. Toei was making this with or without Toriyama. In fact much of the show had already been produced before Toriyama got involved.
Literally the best DB anime since Z and it's not even remotely close.
>>207444632>what if we did GT but with more cringe?
>>207456067and then Toriyama came on board and was the sole creative force which is why it's good quality
>>207456142>what if we did GT but with more cringe?Lmao GT doesn't have a single good moment in it's entire series. No good animation, no great character moments with depth to them. It's just shit from start to finish.
>>207456144Toriyama hasn't made anything decent since 95.
>>207444632Dbz is just slop
>>207456201Battle of Gods is one of the best DB anything in the entire franchise.
>Daipa brown has been having a meltdown for hoursFucking KEK
>>207455560Neither does Super to be fair here. Dude just constantly jobs until he gets a free genkidama attack that was never established before. You could literally skip the Goku Black arc and it wouldn't matter shit. Trunks' timeline gets destroyed and he just goes to a different one. Pointless arc. Pointless Trunks and pointless show.
>>207456213Bigger and better than your favorite anime
>>207445866>>207446113
>>207456245If Super was so good then where is Super 2?
>>207455560That's a non-canon Trunks from Bojack movie btw
>>207456250>Neither does Super to be fair here. Dude just constantly jobs until he gets a free genkidama attack that was never established before.Trunks literally surpassed super saiyan blue in just his regular super saiyan form before destroying Zamasu with his sword... and then Zamasu's consciousness and divine energy spread across the Multiverse becoming one with it. Still, Trunks defeated the main antagonist who was both immortal and more powerful than any villain up until that point.
>>207456278DBZ shounenshit doesn't even come close to the great anime out there.
>>207456398LMAO pic not related I'm sure
>>207456348Which is total garbage. I don't care how angry he gets, regular SSJ should not be able to just overpower SSB. It completely ignores how power and strength work in the entire rest of the series. Even if you go by the manga canon where he goes SSJ2, he still should not be that strong.
>>207456348>Zamasu gets hit by an attack of a superpowered character for the billionth time and nothing happens>This supposedly shows Trunks is cool nowLol
>>207456348>Trunks literally surpassed super saiyan blue in just his regular super saiyanBecause Super is poorly written
>>207456398shounenshit is objectively better than tranny visual novels and it's not up for debate.
>>207451524
>>207456230That dogshit is every story post Yo son Goku and his friends.
>>207456447He literally tapped into god ki.
>>207447986Goku Blanco fighting Frieza Negro.
>>207447078>toriyama dies>vegeta gets to do stuffWow
>>207456494you're just being a contrarian... or you're a vegetafag
>>207456164>No good animationSHITper is children's show slop
>>207456529Toriyama wrote that.
>>207456572Im not Toriyama
>>207456456If you don't understand why he was able reach past that level then you're just a retard who can't simply follow the straight forward nature of the show. It's a temporary blue form he had gotten through pure rage and being exposed to Goku and Vegeta's ki during battle. Think of it similar to Goku's pseudo-super saiyan from the lord Slug movie.
>>207456556Super's animation is not as consistent as Z but it's a billion times better than GT and it cannot be argued unless you want me to start posting my examples which I'm sure you're not prepared for
>>207444632it's not out in English yet
>>207456531Goku hasn't won since Z. Lost to Beerus. Lost Frieza. Gave up to Hit. Lost to Zamasu. Lost to Jiren. Lost to Broly. Lost Moro. Lost to Gas and Granolah. And lost to Frieza again. What kind of shit story has their mc lose every single fight in the series?
>>207456654>Lost to JirenLying for no reason
>>207456671canon btw
>>207456556>someone shits on GT in defense of Daima>starts seething about Super in responseAbsolutely rent free
>>207456398S;G is fucking bad.
>>207456654>Lost to Beerus. Lost Frieza. Gave up to Hit. Lost to Zamasu. Lost to Jiren. Lost to Broly. Lost Moro. Lost to Gas and Granolah. And lost to Frieza again.literally Vegeta.
>>207456724His name is Bejita.
>>207456250They should have done Gohan Black, and had adult Gohan participate in the fight. That would have given Trunks some nice story elements considering his past with his timeline's Gohan.
DB = Z > Daima > Super > GTThis is the objectively correct order.
>>207456770>They should have done Gohan Black>Gohan who was weak at the time having a evil version of himself...who is also weakIt also makes no sense because then normal Gohan would have to be involved in the fight where he stands no chance which would have only devalued his character even more. Zamasu wanted the most powerful body so Goku made the most sense.
>>207456811>Zamasu wanted the most powerful body so Goku made the most sense.It makes no sense for Zamasu to be so strong in Goku's body with techniques only he can use considering that was a fucking point made by DBZ when his body got stolen once already.
>>207456510Retarded. It takes a special ritual to do, you can't just "do it". Goku and Vegeta needed to be top level saiyans to have a hope, Future Trunks should canonically be weaker than Gohan who can't access god ki.
>>207456811Agreed, sorry, it doesn't make sense in isolation,I am presenting this under the assumption that Gohan hasn't been jobbing from the beginning of Super and actually keeping up with his training and being an engaging character with an arc.
DB looked ugly as shit throughout most of the 2010's. Glad we're back to something more pleasant looking these days.
>>207456250Yeah Goku Black fucking sucks, maybe even the worst arc in "canon" dragon ball
>>207456845Zamasu had time to get used to Goku's body, and he's a better warrior than Ginyu.
>>207456910I remember when people were speculating he was an evil Goten. That was a more interesting idea than what we got
>>207456953What is there to get used to? How do you get used to knowing Instant Transmission without having ever used it or known about it before
>>207456671>>207456697Frieza was canonically the one who eliminated Jiren.
>>207456862Trunks’ achievement of Super Saiyan Blue power happens as a result of his intense emotional drive and the raw potential of his saiyan heritage, combined with his exposure to God Ki through Goku and Vegeta. His transformation is more of a desperate surge of power rather than a controlled, mastered form. This makes his Super Saiyan Blue more of a temporary, emotional breakthrough, which is why it’s not as stable or fully developed as the transformations of Goku and Vegeta. This makes more sense for Trunks to be able to tap into that power because of his latent ability due to him being half saiyan with insane potential similiar to Gohan. Also how the fuck can you sit there and talk about "oooh he didn't do the ritual" when Vegeta didn't do it either. he got it through casually training.
>>207456993No because Frieza is weak. >>207456910It's the most well written arc in Super and it's not even close.
>>207457019>Trunks’ achievement of Super Saiyan Blue power happens as a result of his intense emotional drive and the raw potential of his saiyan heritage, combined with his exposure to God Ki through Goku and VegetaNice headcanon
>>207457019Doesn't Blue have nothing to do with God Ki? I thought it was about Ki Control and not allowing the Ki to leak out of their bodies. Goku and Vegeta discovered it during their time in Whis' Hyperbolic Time Chamber (pantry) dimension he sent them. Or am I mistaken?
>>207457068>no argumentI accept your concession. >>207457085Yoy literally cannot reach blue without god ki
>>207457019That's the most absurd and ridiculous power boost in the entire franchise. SSJ Future Trunks is canonically weaker than Perfect Cell, by the time the Goku Black arc rolls around Goku and Vegeta were capable of one-shotting Cell in base form. The statement that Vegeta achieved it through training alone was anime filler. >>207457085SSB is when someone who has tapped into god ki goes Super Saiyan. It's like the Super Saiyan version of God form.
>>207457114The argument is "You argument is headcanon".
>>207457115>That's the most absurd and ridiculous power boost in the entire franchise. SSJ Future Trunks is canonically weaker than Perfect Cell, by the time the Goku Black arc rolls around Goku and Vegeta were capable of one-shotting Cell in base form.and Gohan going from being as powerful as Frieza to being absurdly more powerful than perfect form Cell is just as ridiculous in terms boost. The combined power of weak ass kid kid Goten and Trunks becoming MORE powerful than SS3 Goku is also a retarded power boost that doesn't make any sense. >The statement that Vegeta achieved it through training alone was anime filler.Lmao and you think Vegeta randomly got together all the saiyans again to perform a gay ritual on him for absolutely no reason? It's literally something his character wouldn't do unless it was for desperation especially when there's motive such as them being attacked by a powerful enemy.
>>207457119You're just saying that though.
>>2074572131. That boost is a lot smaller2. It came after years of training>you think Vegeta wouldn't do the same thing Goku did to get strongerYes, actually. I do. Are you forgetting that Vegeta was one of the Saiyans who helped Goku achieve God form? That's far less believable than him then requesting it be done to himself. Jesus Christ.
>>207457329>Vegeta was one of the Saiyans who helped Goku achieve God form?yeah because literally everyone would have died if he didn't go along with it. At what point did Vegeta off-camera would need to do the ritual? Makes no sense. He clearly got the power through training with Whis and Beerus. Don't be an idiot.
>>207457114>Yoy literally cannot reach blue without god ki>>207457115>SSB is when someone who has tapped into god ki goes Super Saiyan. It's like the Super Saiyan version of God form.Is that explained in the anime? I just ran through the segments then and the only mention of Blue being discovered was the Ki control of not letting it leak as I expected.Is it an Manga thing only, maybe?
>>207457235Never claimed that wasn't the argument, spic
>>207457363Whis and Beerus giving him the ki whilst training him is basically just doing the ritual without the other saiyans. In that case, he didn't just wake up one day and realise he had the power, Whis and Beerus would've had to make the conscious effort to let him have it because they deemed him worthy. Which is fundamentally what happens when Goku did the ritual. That's literally how god ki works. When did Future Trunks train with the Gods, again?
>>207457524>Whis and Beerus would've had to make the conscious effort to let him have it because they deemed him worthyYou literally just made that part up and is not based on any discussed or even hinted at explanation in the source material. There's no evidence that god ki can just be handed that way to someone by someone who also has it. It makes more sense to assume he was exposed to it through hard training with those who also has god ki which also makes sense in the context of Trunks' situation. >When did Future Trunks train with the Gods, again?Literally fighting along side two people who had God ki and against someone who has God ki.
>>207457390It's explained in the Return of Frieza movie where it's introduced.
>>207457667>You literally just made that part up >makes sense in the context of Trunks' situation.Lmaooo. You shouldn't throw stones from your house made out of headcanon
>>207457697My explanation at least makes sense based on previous situations that happen in the story. Yours is just something you pulled out your ass and not based on anything that can be even interpreted as evidence.
>>207457667>made it upThe story states you need to do a ritual to have God ki. Vegeta knows how to do the ritual, and shows up one day with the ability to use it. I was speaking hypothetically to explain how "just training" would do it, if that was the canon explanation. Which it isn't. There is no canon explanation, the anime handwaved it away in a filler scene. We can only speculate based on canon info, of which the most reasonable is that Vegeta did the same ritual he saw and helped Goku do. You trying to claim he's "too good" for it is you making stuff up. >when he fought alongside two people with God kiDidn't you just get through telling me that there's no canon basis for people being able to consciously hand out God ki to whomever they please? Why can Beerus and Whis not do it but Goku and Vegeta can? Why can you make up headcanon and use it as an argument but then critique me for doing the same? (Except I wasn't even using it as an argument, I was using it as a hypothetical)
>>207457679I just saw it's in the anime too, he explained it as SSJ of God form, and everyone gushing about how they can't sense his usual energy anymore, so sounds like I was wrong.But what was all that huff about the Ki control then? Are they related, or did they just forget that shit?
>>207457725It's not my explanation. I'm just laughing at your desperate headcanon.
>>207457757>The story states you need to do a ritual to have God ki. Vegeta knows how to do the ritual, and shows up one day with the ability to use it.Yes and this is assumed through training.>I was speaking hypothetically to explain how "just training" would do it, if that was the canon explanation. Which it isn't. There is no canon explanation, the anime handwaved it away in a filler scene. We can only speculate based on canon info>of which the most reasonable is that Vegeta did the same ritual he saw and helped Goku do. You trying to claim he's "too good" for it is you making stuff up.but it's literally not reasonable at all. How the fuck does it make ANY sense for Vegeta with his ego to go out of his way and ask all of the living saiyans unprovoked including Goku>hey guys will you do that ritual for me like you did for GokuThat goes completely against Vegeta's pride. You'd have to be a complete fucking retard to assume Vegeta would ask any of them for that without a threat looming over him that forces his hand. It's just straight up wrong and not something we have ever seen him do before. >Didn't you just get through telling me that there's no canon basis for people being able to consciously hand out God ki to whomever they please?They didn't hand him God ki. It's assumed he absorbed it through exposure. That combined with his rage which allowed him to temporarily reach that level for a short period of time. If he actually trained with them for a period of time, he could reach the form completely much like Vegeta did. >Why can you make up headcanon and use it as an argument but then critique me for doing the same?Yours makes NO sense. If it did, you would easily be able to come up with an explanation for why Trunks was able to get that boost but you can't and instead just say "hurr durr shit writing" which is a weak argument.
>>207457854You aren't wrong exactly from what I remember. In the manga they explain that SSB uses a shit ton of energy since it uses the rage of a Super Saiyan transformation with a calm state of the Super Saiyan god meaning two contradictory modes. The only way of effectively using it would have to be sealing the aura within your body as SSB and only transforming for a second to hit. It's explained in the Black Saga of the DBS manga. I think before Goku and Bejita fuse into Bejito
>>207457940this. bejita aint begging anyone to do a saiyan ritual unless his life was on the line
>>207457975>It's explained in the Black Saga of the DBS manga. I think before Goku and Bejita fuse into BejitoAh OK, thanks. I haven't read the manga, and I guess they missed connecting those dots in the anime.Cheers for the convo.
>>207444632No dub
>>207458031dubs are objectively bad.
>>207444632ur thinkin of GT
>>207458099This. GT flopped so hard it was removed from it's programming schedule while the series was still airing in the US.
>>207445866I just wish Goku wasn't such a fool.I don't mind him being naive, but he was always on par with Vegeta intellectually when it came to fighting and using power, etc.Now, in the latest Super Hero, he mocks Vegeta for "sitting on a rock" instead of realising what he needs to get stronger.This is the same man who understood that SSJ was the best form and spent every day in the Time Chamber optimising it.
>>207457940>assumed through trainingNever stated this is possible in canon>how does it make sense Vegeta would do thisHe literally helped Goku do it. The guy's entire adult life is following whatever Goku does in an attempt to one-up him. In the very same arc he chooses to potara fuse with Goku to put down Goku Black, and he's also learnt how to fusion dance to make Gogeta later on. Any claim he cares about pride went out the window the minute he went Majin Vegeta.>it's assumedHeadcanon. You're arguing headcanon against headcanon. >you could easily come up with an explanation why F Trunks could do thatYes, shit writing and ass-pull deus ex machina. Something that is quite common in Super, like Android 17 and Roshi can fart themselves to Tournament of Power-tier strength by dicking around on earth beating up normal humans. What makes you think the Goku Black arc is any exception to this? Zamasu/Black is himself a product of bad writing.
>>207455560Princess Trunks
>>207458510>Never stated this is possible in canonNo shit. It's a logical conclusion.>He literally helped Goku do it.when the fate of his family and the Earth itself was on the line. How the hell is that same as simply wanting to become God for himself with no real motive compared to when humanity is threatened? >The guy's entire adult life is following whatever Goku does in an attempt to one-up him.Yes and he does it on his own terms through hard work. He doesn't beg Trunks and Gohan to do a fucking ritual to gain that power. >In the very same arc he chooses to potara fuse with Goku to put down Goku Black>he's also learnt how to fusion dance to make Gogeta later onOnce again, The universe was threatened. Vegeta didn't go along with it for his own selfish desires. These are not the same things. There is a fundamental difference between him asking his friends and family for some great power that he cannot achieve himself just for the sake of it without a threat forcing him to do so, to him doing fusions and all these other methods of boosting his power were all because people's live depended on it. No ones life was in danger at the time Vegeta became a god so why the fuck would he do the ritual? Makes no sense. >Yes, shit writing and ass-pull deus ex machina. Something that is quite common in Super, like Android 17 and Roshi can fart themselves to Tournament of Power-tier strengthAlso a dumb argument because all the people they fought in the ToP weren't OP characters like jiren or female Broly. Everyone they were up against were around their power level unless they teamed up with someone who is more powerful to fight a powerful enemy. Even moments where Roshi was clearly weaker than his enemy, he used his fighting knowledge to get the advantage such as using the mafuba technique which seals away his enemy. He didn't overpower them. The writing still made sense. >Zamasu/Black is himself a product of bad writing.You haven't provided one legitimate example
canonically undefeated against Goku.
>>207444632I am waiting for all the episodes to come out so I can binge it.
>>207459322same
>>207450872Super was kino. You were never a DBZ fan.
>>207459342>kinoI wouldn't go that far. It was decent but not amazing.
>>207456348Super would have been 100x better if they used a different animation team. Imagine Super with the Broly movie quality. I think the shitty Brazilian Toei animation is why people say it was bad.
>>207459435The animation team is fine. The problem is the art style which oozes of modern Yamamuro who has been the driving force of DB's modern art style during the dark period. Super has peak animation but is only hindered by the colors and questionable artistic choices. It looks perfectly fine by the time we get to the ToP
>>207447770This must be bait. It must...
>>207459614It is and you fell for it.
>>207459435>Imagine Super with the Broly movie quality.You do know, that movies in general have a lot MOAR budget than a single episode, do you?
>>207459703He's obviously confusing animation with art.
Say what they might, it still objectively has the most professional animation in the history of the series. Super Broly is a close second and would be top spot, if not for them sacrificing detail in order to cut time on drawing.
>>207459879>Say what they mightWhat's there to say. It's an excellent series. More care went into this than pretty much everything that came before it and that includes Z which took a lot of liberties and flat out censored shit in the manga. Not saying it's better than Z but it's the least flawed of any of the shows.
>>207444632The dub hasnt dropped. What kind of loser watches dragon ball subbed?
>>207460335The people with micro-holes in their brain and can tolerate granny goku
>>207456610anon either you're like 19 or this is really embarassing
