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Pitch a Star Trek anime show anons!
>>214691034>Romulan Commander main character>defects with his ship to the Federation>show is partially about him and his new federation crew learning to work together/ get used to each other in addition to a different kind of ship than theyre used to
>>214691087That would be cool except they seem to have followed the Kelvin timeline and destroyed Romulus so the romulans are a bunch of refugees now.
>>214691141no they escaped the retard universe timeline and are in the real one trying to adjust to things making sense
>>214691141Yeah, that sucks. I guess they could do something with Romulan and Vulcans forming a closer bond.
>>214691034What would make a pitch particularly anime?
>>214691178Did they really? I only watched the first season and a half of Picard.
>>214691257no I'm talking about the made up show about the romulan defector ship that anon came up with, my idea is they escape nu-trek and are in real trek and have trouble adapting to a universe where people act rationally and things make sense and everyone thinks the sun going super nova and somehow ending the romulan star empire is ludicrous
>>214691141Having a badass Romulan 'Commander Adama' leading a fleet of Romulan ships to find a new home could be based.
It is a shame that we basically only ever get human main characters. Even getting non-human crew is fairly rare. Fucking Orville does a better job at it, that's crazy.
>>214691034Ds9Thats it, thats the anime
What a nice place to live
>>214691427so I take it you haven't seen ds9? more then 1/2 the main cast is non human, The Sisko, O'Brien, Bashir, thats it everyone else is a different race
>>214691444>Jeffrey-Combs-o-Vision playing 24/7what a utopia...
>>214691444Pretty much everywhere, its gonna be hot.
>>214691034A crew made of missfits from all over, going from world to world to free the people from oppression from the evil federation.
>>214691457ENT? VOY? TNG? TOS? The nu-shit? One series out of like 9 or so. I don't think it's a good argument when you have to go "well the literal peak best trek series does it so all of trek did it"
>>214691457Yeah Keiko is a harpy and Jake is a bus seat
>>214691485I didn't say all trek does I said saying >we basically only ever get human main charactersis a tad of an exaggeration, also with Voy the main characters were the doc 7 and tuvok and coffee also unfortunately neelix
>>214691389That would be cool even though the whole idea of the romulans becoming refugees after losing one planet is kinda dumb. It was the romulan empire they must have had multiple settler worlds like the federation.
>>214691444>Attention Cardassian citizens!
>>2146915167 is human
>>214691489you fill the sg-1 hole in your heart with sg1 and atlantis travis
>>214691520Was it really just one planet though? There was a supernova, and it destroyed Romulus, but it must have also destroyed a lot of other planets too. The story could be about - an exodus fleet with millions of Romulans from the homeworld, the governments of other Romulan settler colonies that survived, the Romulans who became refugees in the Federation, maybe some Romulans who fled to the Klingons or elsewhere as well.
>>214691564they literally call her>our borgthroughout the entire show, and its too late here to get into a discussion about are former borg just their own race or are they still well, kinda borg, Voy explored this a lot the answer is they are borg, 7 especially since she was assimilated at such a young age
>>214691586thats not how supernovas work JJ, space is a really big place something you never seem to understand, one solar system even the home system is nothing to an interstellar empire spanning hundreds of worlds across thousands of star systems, and by hundreds of worlds thats an extremely conservative estimate
>>214691444The massively popular Weyoun Show, now in its 6th season.
>>214691672As a regular watchr on the weyoun show I feel like turning Weyoun into a flat out good guy in season 6 was a mistake, I know last season ending on that transporter accident cliff hanger but is this even the same Weyoun? also anyone saying Dumar was involved is just wrong clearly he didn't expect to be called away at the last minute how would he even rig a transporter malfuction.
>>214691672Does it come on after two and a half Cardassians?
>>214691811Is the half a Cardassian a little kid or a product of the Occupation?
>>214691834the latter
>>214691834Yes
>>214691760it was a true accident. first of all Damar is shitfaced all the time there's no way he would have the wherewithal to pull off some kind of plot, second of all 5 would have sniffed out his treachery almost immediately. the writers weren't even trying to make it seem convincing
If the Romulans had an empire and were just offshoots of the Vulcans then why weren't there Vulcan settlements and places everywhere in the Quadrant already?
>>214691889Book an appointment to get spanked by Dr Selar.Already been answered many times, there were they just got folded into the Federation!
>>214691889I don't think that vulcans are interested in expanding their territory. When they join Humans and form the Federation, its the humans that push for expansion.
>>214691876yes Dumar did nothing wrong and these slights against Dumar are nothing but Federation propoganda
>>214691034A comfy slice of life series set in the early days of Starfleet with the crew of the USS Horizon violating the non-existent Prime Directive in new and creative ways every episode. The finale sets up the plot of A Piece of the Action when they visit Sigma Iota II.
>>214691444
>>214691457>The Sisko
>>214692211Hey it's that fucking pleb that doesn't understand TOSKWAB
>>214691444It has its drawbacks.
>>214691586A supernova can seriously fuck up everything for 100 light years, but leaves plenty of time with warp travel
>>214691034Some alien heavy show simply because we never really get to do it in live action.
we're never gonna make it are we bros
dukat's dick moves sideways and up and down I think the AI song anon should try one in the style of SWR
>>214691034On the topic, I use to watch a lot of gundam, and I always felt how hypocritically anti war it was while its base apeal WAS robots fighting wars. I think Star Trek usually does a far better job dealing with the ideals of peace. And I say this as a big fan of gundam 0079 and UC in general which I think did one of the better jobs portraying the various nuances of war. Trek actually SHOWS how diplomacy can be an option as well as how force can be an option on occassion.I think a gundam that has a more star trek style premise, a mobile suit team on a ship that deals with various shit, diplomacy, exploration, science, and occasionally military force with a mostly episodic nature COULD be really enjoyable. One of my favorite parts of Gundam was the tech and setting. SPace colonies where most of the world is just in earth's orbit, centrifigal artificial gravity, different colonies having different politics, etc.
>Rape gangs were groups of men and women who would prey on lone individuals on the planet Turkana IV for the purpose of sexual assault.What did they do for living if the gangs were just for raping and not stealing or making and selling drugs? Did these gangs just form ad hoc on weekends?
I think Star Trek really needs a guy in a mask whose main character motivation is being sad about his dead Pakistani prostitute mother/wife.
>>214692483I like to think its much like India, where these men have jobs and lives or whatever, but just form into rape gangs upon seeing an attractive woman
>>214691034Star Trek: Rise of KahlessAnime needs to have some kind of action so give me some batleth duels and battle scenes.
>>214692536as much as I love Klingon women, we've had so much fucking Klingon dogshit I'd prefer it if we could focus on another species for once
>>214692567Well, don't get me wrong, if it's going to be a Klingon show, it needs Ron Moore as the showrunner and no one else
>>214692567Star Trek: Andoria
>>214692450You get five of these assholes to make a Star Trek bridge crew with.CaptainEOChief EngineerSecurityComms Officer
I've come to realize there is nothing more kino than male pattern baldness on aliens
>>214692474I'd like to put my tube in Paris
>>214692536>>214692567I'd think people would enjoy an animated series exploring all the mythology of alien species in Star Trek, essentially a different story each week and all narrated by Gowron.
>>214692752I honestly can't think of a worse idea
>>214692752Gowron should be in every scene. Whenever Gowron is not there, the other characters should ask "WHAT COLOR WERE HIS EYES?"
>>214692752Klingons are the only ones with cool mythology though>killed their gods because they were too much trouble>substituted honorable ancestor worship instead
>You're among your own kind, now.This is ridiculous. How come holograms never got the Measure Of A Man treatment? They're basically more human than Data
>>214692752agreed. I think why this isnt done much in main line is because make up and props are a pain in the ass to deal with. thats why you go human with an extra bit somewhere so much in trek.>>214692841THier myths are cool but thier episodes usually aint. they have cool words but the exicutions arent usually the best.
>>214692752Nice try, Robert.
>>214693139I love Klingon episodes. There are some stinkers but a lot of them are great.>A Matter of Honor>The Emissary >Reunion>Sins of the Father>Redemption>Way of the WarriorAll kino
>>214692630Somehow I doubt anyone here knows who any of those characters are.
>>214693120Because no one wants to disassemble a hologram. Starfleet already knows how holograms work.
>>214693240Sure, There's >frazzled schoolgirl >mecha pilot with dark past>nosebleed virgin with incredible big dick energy he doesn't know>Hatsune Miku>Pidge of the Green Lion>The one with a dark past >Honey Labubu>Gohan Jr. >Buraini Sumurrufu>Chibi Guts aka Small Intestine >Quattro Vajazzle>D'Vana Tendi
>>214693240I recognized chibified bright, Amuro, Char, and a few villians.
>>214691034White male Starfleet captain and his diplomatic attache Ferasan lover and their exploits.
>>214693351>>Quattro Vajazzle
>>214691034>Pitch a Star Trek anime show anons!The Tholians basically are Vehicle Voltron anyway, might as well have one of those.
Computer.Delete the wife.
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>>214694227That's honestly surprising considering how the whole thing seems to be written for women
>>214694305Wednesday's got them covered
>On The Simpsons episode about the Monorail>Conan: Originally, George Takei was supposed to be the guest star, from Star Trek. And we contacted George Takei, just certain he would do it--I mean this was after Michael Jackson, just everybody was killing themselves to get on the Simpsons, and we contacted George Takei and he said he wouldn't do it because he was on the San Fransisco Board of Transportation and he didn't want to make fun of monorails.>*writers laugh*>Conan: We were just stunned, and then I was heartbroken, and then I came in to work and Al said we just got a phone call and Takei won't do it but Leonard Nimoy will and I remember just thinking: that's better, that's perfect!
>>214694227Meanwhile, your precious oldtrek has been dumped onto some off-brand "broadcast" channel, with commercials aimed at geezers. What kind of poorfag even has a TV antenna?
>>214694866Trek doesn't just run on H&I, it runs on all sorts of cable channels. We just use that one for the watchalong because it's free to anyone. But it also runs on TV Land, BBC America, MeTV, etc. Old Trek shows are some of the most syndicated shows ever.
>>214694305What denotes that something is made for women vs something that is made for men? What gives it away? Pic unrelated as this is an object made for everyone.
>>214694866If your shiny new show is getting outperformed by 30 year old shows, you might want to reconsider a thing or two
>>214694998Constant wacky episodes with tons of emotional drama and talks about feelingsLots of strong women and effeminate menFuck science we basically magic now lmaoMY EMOTIONS ARE STRONGER THAN YOUR PLAGUE OF PRIMORDIAL EVIL GHOSTS YAAAAAASShit like that
You know what's funny is that there are commercials for nuslop on H&I during real Trek. Does that mean Paramount paid for ad space on a fucking over the air/cable channel to advertise their flop show during their actual good shows?
>>214693120The subroutine isn’t sentient, the computer generating it is. It opens up a whole can of worms that they’ve enslaved super-sentient AIs to run their ships. Don’t worry about it
>>214695012>outperformedDo you actually have ratings data for oldtrek?>>214695068Sure, if the ads were cheap enough.
>>214695053>Constant wacky episodes with tons of emotional drama and talks about feelingsThe Sopranos>Lots of strong women and effeminate menThe Sopranos>Fuck science we basically magic now lmaoThe Sopranos>MY EMOTIONS ARE STRONGER THAN YOUR PLAGUE OF PRIMORDIAL EVIL GHOSTS YAAAAAASYou heard me.It's so weird too because nobody would say The Sopranos is shit for women.
>>214695230yes "they" would can you shut the fuck up about sopranos you do realize their is a long runnig general for sopranos on this board, if you want to talk about it go their, what the fuck is wrong with you? I don't want an answer I want you to ask yourself this question.
>>214695284My bad, I am just curious how people assign male or female attributes to certain shows. The stuff about the paranormal and talking about feelings being associated with women is interesting and I want to explore that.
>>214695336The bad aspects are for women and probably the fault of the women writers. If there is anything good about the show that part is for men and attributed to the male writers. Come on you know this already.
>>214695336this isn't your personal blog bf yes pretty much every post you make is "your bad" if you want to talk about sopranos you have threads you can go talk about it, if you want to tlak about gundam or w/e you have an entire board dedicated to talking about it, idk why you still after all these years think you can just spam your shit on /trek/ nobody fucking cares we are here to talk about star trek you fucking spastic
>>214695367you fuck off too you pathetic little faggot this is a thread about star trek not about what bf is currently obsessed with
>>214695336>I don't want an answer I want you to ask yourself this question.jfc the question you should be asking yourself is why the fuck aren't you posting in a sopranos thread you fucking mental case
>>214695444no one is obsessed but you. erasing tripfags from your life is really fucking easy but no you'd rather bleed out the ass and make it everyone else's problem.
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>>214695511FUCK OFF YOU FAGGOT, if you want to talk about sopranos go do that, if you want to talk about gundam go do that, this thread is for talking about star trek, now FUCK OFF you utter retard
>>214695531Do you need a hug?
>>214695531no, maybe you should fuck off. I'm talking about how SNW is supposedly "for women." if YOU want to keeping jerking off about your tripfag vendetta that belongs in /b/ or something.
>>214695559No I need attention seeking faggots who think this is their personal blog to fuck off
>>214691087I don't care for that. In order for him to retain his command he'd have to have something special about him, a la michael burnham level of bullshitin reality he'd be debriefed, given a handler from star fleet intelligence and given a nice apartment in San Fransisco
>>214695578no you are talking about sopranos now you need to take that shit to the sopranos thread or simply kys, the second would be preferable, stop treating /trek/ like your personal blog no-body gives a fuck about your thoughts on sopranos or anime or anything else KYS
>>214692291probably not...
Dear LazywebWhat's the episode or maybe movie where Spock says "Pure Energy" and it's used in that Information Society song?
>>214695677Errand of Mercy
>>214695703TY
>>214694998this appeals to poor people
>>214695804NWs
>>214695823I make six figures and it appeals to me
MASAKA IS WAITING
Come up with a personality/gimmick for Weyoun 9.
>>214696863trans
>>214696877boring. into the meat grinder he goes. we'll do better with Weyoun X.
Which 'sodes are on tonight?
>Go on r/StarTrek>People genuinely arguing that NuTrek is better than classic Trek, that SNW is brilliant, that they cried during Picard etcWho in fuck are these people? Like genuinely what the fuck? How does NuTrek also sit on like 90% on RT. Like fucking Picard, S1, rated that highly.What sort of fucking retard not only likes this garbage, but genuinely argues that NuTrek is better than TNG, DS9 etc?
Kinda funny Worf just murdered a crew member and no one brings it up
>>214698420People have different opinions and taste is subjective. Shrug and do your own thing. Don't waste time or energy on wondering about it.
>>214698420Women and cucks, I can't imagine anyone else could be genuinely enjoying this shit. IMDB also has this issue of completely garbage episodes having good ratings because a bunch of monkeys screaming DON'T BELIEVE THE HATERS THEY'RE ALL NAZIS AND NOT TRUE FANS 10/10.
>>214698470>People have different opinions and taste is subjectiveCringe mentality. subjectivity is something only championed if you don't want to examine the reasons for things. You LIKE something for a reason, it doesn't just appeal to you for no reason at all.
>>214698470Feeling a sense of alienation from the current fanbase and feeling alienated from something you used to love is completely acceptable.>>214698512I think it is really interesting how Disney is trying to get male audiences back and I am wondering if Star Trek is currently having the same problems, but from my understanding a good portion of the fanbase in the 60s was female anyway.I really don't want to get told to kill myself for going off topic again when this shit genuinely interests me.
>>214698802People are sick of media that blatantly and cynically pushes an agenda and not even in an entertaining way. Nobody wants to watch something and feel talked down to or lectured to and I think people in general don't enjoy pandering either even when it's aimed at them.
>>214698939>and I think people in general don't enjoy pandering either even when it's aimed at them.And yet other trek sites seem to indicate they do. You wanna bash your head against the wall figuring out the philosophers stone on that one, be my guest...
In 2006 Star Trek allegedly had more female fans than Star Wars did at the time. Huh. I wonder how these statistics have changed in 20 years.>https://trekmovie.com/2006/09/24/the-myth-of-the-star-trek-fan/
>>214698981>TNG may be the fave show, but Kirk and Spock top the list of fave charactersHuh, I wonder why this is.
>>214698959There are people who enjoy having someone shit into their mouths and talking about how much they love it online. Nuslop has not caught on and that's why it has no one streaming it and it keeps getting canceled.
>>214698470>>214698959Jesus Christ dude. How can you be so intellectually uncurious?
>>214699058Dunno. Never really thought about it.
Oh my god somebody unironically did research on this.>https://kdwilson.medium.com/is-star-trek-fandom-really-divided-across-generational-lines-10868dc7fa61
>>214698420Because the "people" here are the dregs of the Internet, too cowardly to back up their opinions with even an online identity. Say what you will about Reddit, but you're literally Slashdot's "Anonymous Cowards".
>>214699120God I wish SNW was on this chart
>>214698742>hurr durr my subjective tastes are objectiveCringe mentality.>>214699058>uses "intellectual" to describe a space-fantasy show for kidsNot worthy of a response.>>214699120289 respondents doesn't quite qualify as "research", but still, the trend does appear to be toward oldtrek geezerdom. That, all by itself, shows why nuTrek isn't like oldtrek... because oldtrek fans are dying out.
>>214696419now uncross your eyes
>>214699580it's kino o'clock
>>214694227I have genuinely never heard of half of these.
>>214699580>Hide and QAah the episode where Riker becomes RiQer and all his crewmates tell him to fuck off and die after offering to grant their wishes.
>>214699120>How boomers be looking at you when you say your favorite show isn’t TOS and your favorite captain isn’t KirkExtreme case of “I watched it when I was 8 so it’s the best by default”.
>>214695588^he’s right you know
>>214699580>the dangerous and powerful QLol, lmao even
People also allegedly hate the new stuff way more than they hate the old stuff overall in terms of displeasure.
Before we even start taking about sample sizes and selection biases we need to sort out the namefaggotry issue. All opposed?
>>214692752That actually was a thing bar Gowron but it didn't last.
>>214700569Rude
>>214700546This is for Bashirfaggot. Klingon Sopranos would be kino. Even has its own theme song. https://youtu.be/PS-fz_dYWu4
>>214700701It would and thank you. Don’t think your posting or your fandom is unappreciated, it’s the attention whoring that gets people cranked and we’ve had a pleasant run of almost a month without a full blown schizo melty. It’s comfyt. not bashirfag
>>214700701Computer, delete the gabbagool.
Is there a single ship you can buy on the real money spendie market in STO that does good damage with beam weapons? I don't want to use fucking cannons on a friggin' saucer ship
>>214700802They really dropped the ball not continuing the>Uhura sexually harasses Spock (but he likes it) angle past the first couple episodes
>>214700289>Q harasses Picard for eight straight years>Sisko puts him in his place after 1 (one) attempt
>>214699442>My subjective tastes are objectiveif you cannot explain why you like something, that's a problem with your communication abilities, not your mind being unfathomable."nothing human is alien to me"
>>214701099>if you cannot explain why you like something, that's a problem with your communication abilitiesOkay. And some people have issues with communication, and they still like stuff. Wasting your time on deciphering that is dumb. Toddlers say dumb incomprehensible shit all the time. Smile. Pat them on their head and tell them you love them and then go back to adult endeavors
Gul Evek bringing out Samuel's dead body when Sisko asks to talk to him is so fucking extra
>>214701303Gul Ivek is an underrated cardie, he's based as hell
>>214692450Traffaut still winning.
>>214691034Federation ship travels to the Gamma Quadrant
>>214699442He was using "intellectual" to describe how you were uncurious as to why people like things, not about the space-fantasy show.>>214701167I can usually decipher a general meaning from baby babble, "I am entertained by this ball right now" etc. You can get the general idea of something without having a 10 page exacting essay on the topic. Saying "IDK" or "I dont feel like it rn" is more productive than just saying "its subjective", which is just a cope out response non answer.
I want a meme with autisitc 7 of nine being in a corner of a party being autistic.
>>214700569Ah, using every ounce of your wit, I see. I remain amazed that you are a fan of Trek while sharing none of its values. I can only hope your time-out will give you the necessary time to reflect on the path you've chosen.
>>214701778What are you talking about?
What the fuck is happening lol
>>214701838Some weirdo is false flagging and talking to himself to try and derail the thread. It happens sometimes. Just ignore him and discuss Star Trek.For example, we've got some kino episodes tonight.Latent Image is one of my favorites, great performance by Picardo and by Mulgrew as well. If you've ever spun out over grief, you'll appreciate the episode.
I've now watched the first three episodes of A&E's "Horatio Hornblower", and I can see how Kirk and Picard were inspired by him. Still, I wonder what Picard would have thought about what the show (and presumably the novels) had to say about the French.
What makes nutrek warm piss?
i like how the doctor is the normalcoach for 7 of 9 because be also has autism but has learned to adapt somewhat to humoidisms (in his own autistic way)
>>214701961The fact that it's being poured into your hands like odo
>>214701983>the doctor is the normalcoach for 7 of 9Warmest computer/Coldest human thing
>>214701961>What makes nutrek warm piss?The fact that Andy likes it.
>>214701943Picard as a character isn’t even really French. His brother Robert (silent t) is French, I’m not sure what Jean-Luc is supposed to be. A Frenchman drinking English breakfast tea? Doubt
>>214701943>I've now watched the first three episodes of A&E's "Horatio Hornblower"its GOATed. I think its better than SHARPE in all but cheesefactor as a napolionic war drama. I especially remember liking the episode with the crazy captain. IN general the show does a really good job exploring the nature of command and the hard decisions that come with it.>Say about the frenchwdym? I remember it being pretty sympathetic to the french overall.
>>214701943I think they're a bit more critical of the Spanish somehow.
>>214701816>>214701838>It reminds me of that episode where that evil alien has a fat ugly beast on a lease and makes it do his biddingIt was Encounter at Farpoint; Groppler Zorn enslaves a giant jellyfish monster and makes it create things out of thin air.>https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Encounter_at_Farpoint_(episode)Idk why that had to be removed, I think someone might've taken it way too personally. I wonder which of the two they identified with...
SOmething I find really cute in retrospect in the 80-90s trek ti the specific mix of social conservatism and liberalism. they would balk at the implication of sex, but still reference it a bit. there is a bell curve from the 60's trek to nu-trek that hit the social peak in the 90s, where there was sexual mistique, but not complete prudism either. the tease energy is WONDABAR and cant be done again today cause it would feel too fake
>>214701988>Nobody>My sleep paralysis demon hanging off my bedpost at 3:00 AM.
>>214702164the matrix got it right when smith called the 90's the peak of our civilization
>>214702164Rich Evan’s nailed it when he said something like>”These episodes were filmed in the Eighties. From scripts that were written in the Sixties. By men who grew up in the Thirtiess. They’re going to have a different view of the world. Especially on how women should behave.”
>>214702036>sympathetic to FrenchJust the usual British trope of referring to the French as "frogs". Granted, republican France declared war on the British at the start of the first episode. Picard is a frog, yet his character was inspired by Hornblower. A bit of cognitive dissonance there, at least.
>>214702201Peak western civ. The future belongs to the east. Have a baby. Have two
>>214702181why is this image sequence upside down?
>>214702278Wasnt episode 2 or 3 all about Horatio being on a mission to suport a conter-revolutionary noble but the villagers didnt want him back or something and they were portrayed in a sympathetic light? also a few honorable french officers who would balk at skulduggery. Yah they would say FROG in passing, but thats normal ship banter stuff.
>>214691437especially toward the end
>>214702373They also portrayed a royalist Frenchman to be a guillotine happy piece of complete shit
>>214702375wtf went so wrong with the bajorn ghost saga?
>>214702373I think that's episode 4; I just started watching it and it appears to involve supporters of French royalty wishing to invade their homeland and restore the monarchy.
>>214702453NOt all of them if I remember. I remember there being a pretty fair split between various archetypes.
>>214702463It completely jumped the shark right about here
One refrain I hear from oldtrek fans in their criticism of nutrek, and by extension much of modern media, is the lack of sincerity. They see irony and parody as disgraceful. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the disconnect comes from whether one still believes in the establishment. The oldtrek mentality would seem to, but the nutrek mentality realizes that the establishment, and our institutions, have completely failed us, revealing themselves to be composed of self-serving people, abusing the levers of power and influence for their own petty purposes, squandering the credibility it took centuries to develop, and doing it on the backs of the people they supposedly represent, with our money. Can you really fault the modern mentality for realizing the system doesn't work anymore? That's where the focus on irony and parody come from—because we can't believe in anything anymore, and it's not our fault. Even organized religion has degraded into a clearing house for gay sex pests. I understand oldtrek fans' pining for when there was still something to believe in, but at the same time, they must recognize the nutrek fans' point that the old establishment is dead, and it was betrayed from within by the people who were supposed to maintain it. I welcome the viewpoint of oldtrek fans on this.
>>214702539Anyone who calls it "oldtrek" should just kill themselves.
>>214702539mucho texto
>>214697041make him vegan
>>214702539
>>214702587Is he vegan for the health benefits or for the love of the animals?
>>214702636he wants to maximize plant suffering
>>214702539Star Trek is aspirational. It’s meant to represent a society that has transcended our current level and moved beyond that sort of corruption and pettiness. It requires that humans essentially cease to be human and defy their own natures but in that way it’s supposed to be uplifting and encouraging with regards to the future even if it’s just a fantasy
>>214702651What's his motivation?
>>214702699Total solid death (TSD)
>>214702539That’s a problem with media at large. Somebody in the late 2000’s decided that honesty and sincerity were cringe. So now every sweet or sincere moment needs to be undercut by a fart or Reddit quip.Star Trek always had quips. But it also knew when to use them and when to let a moment breathe.
>>214702706that's pretty fucking funny honestly
So the Cardassians definitely just killed all those native americans after the enterprise left, right?
>>214702731I’m not sure that it’s ever directly connected in the show but I think those are supposed to be Chakotay’s people, that’s why he’s in the Maquis. All that to say: I sure hope so
>>214692291To quote captain Kirk from This Side of Paradise.>No, no Bones. This time we walked out on our own. Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way thorough. Struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of the drum.Roddenberry didn't think his vision of the future was an outgrowth of the current civilization but as long as we keep fighting we have a future.
>>214702719It did seem to coincide with Obama getting elected, didn't it.>>214702730Because media, to succeed, must be popular, and one necessary (but insufficient) component is to capture the spirit of the times. Also, the existence of dark/stupid dramatizations lets the ones resisting the darkness and stupidity that they're not alone.
>>214702926kek, it's kino! Bravo, I say! Bravo!
>>214702988It was mainly the rise of smartphones and social media making communication less personal. People stopped being fellow humans and turned into words on a screen.
>>214702719There's nothing "sweet" about Kirk "hugging" McCoy there. What he's doing is hiding his eyes because he can't stand to fucking look and see the woman he loves gets killed to fix the timeline.It's a heart-wrenching moment, not sweet at all. Totally out of place in that collage.
>>214702876Rodenberry is also a devout Luciferian, so it makes sense his philosophy aligns with those type of thinkers.
>>214702539>The oldtrek mentality would seem to, but the nutrek mentality realizes that the establishment, and our institutions, have completely failed us, revealing themselvesTNG was cruising on the late cold war high that Francis Fukuyama swore was the "end of history." DS9 was healthy GenX cynicism about that. Wish it didn't turn out to be true but it did. That said, when you stop fighting you start enabling. To simply roll over and shrug and assume that the oligarchy is always corrupt and will never be held to account is to maintain the house of cards. So the NuTrek shrug and assumption of failed institutions (I'm looking at you especially, PIC) is some Russian shit. LD doesn't have that cynicism and I don't get the accusations of insincerity; it's just not that great. I can reliably get a sensible chuckle or smirk out of it but no real standout eps.PRO is pure sincerity but it mostly for kids and he animation style is jarring. DIS is another show forced to be in the Trek universe, cannibalizing concepts from a scrapped 2006 X-TREME™ cartoon set in the 32nd century. I don't think it conveyed any generational concepts about the system or authorities because f had no idea what it was.SNW isn't bad and I don't consider it "insincere" in the sense that it's cynical or distrustful of social contracts and institutions. It is however a bunch of theater kids goofing off and playing with genres (⅓ of the episodes are screwball comedy or musical or mockumentary or ...) and that is a bad ratio. What is a good ratio? When in doubt follow the 80/20 rule. Play with genre no more than 1 out of every 5 episodes.
>>214703178The "sweet" part is him being comforted in a friend's arms
>>214703323McCoy isn't comforting him, you retard. McCoy doesn't know what the fuck is going on and has just come back around from drug induced mania. He tries to stop it from happening which is why Kirk grabs him, because saving her means fucking the timeline and he can't let McCoy save her.Have you even watched City on the Edge of Forever?
I did it. I made it through all of Star Trek (again). Now I get to start over once more at The Cage and try to cleanse my mind of all that nutrek I just subjected myself to.
>>214703178he could have just turned around, but he embraced his friend instead
>>214703409By "embracing him," you mean "grabbing him to stop him from intervening" because McCoy, again, has just woken up from a drug fueled insanity and has no idea what is happening or that the timeline is at risk.Kirk hides his eyes and kind of sags against McCoy which is the heartfelt moment but it's Kirk expressing vulnerability and sorrow, nothing "sweet" about it as I said. And again, McCoy has no fucking clue what is happening.
>>214703360Yeah I remember him lingering in the hold and squeezing his eyes shut. Seemed like holding on to McCoy grounded him in the moment and let him calm down.
>>214703262Depending on how you frame it Lucifer is not such a bad guy. Take the Persians and the Indians depending on which side the devas are either the good guys or bad.I have many problems with the future Roddenberry had envisioned but that quote is correct about human nature or at least Faustian/western man. He is always marching toward the infinite, toward a future he will never see but always struggling to reach. We define ourselves by the struggle, the journey.
I think a lot of people are maybe confusing sincerity and intent with a shows tone. I think the new shows are being made for very cynical reasons and the people writing these shows have to follow a very cynical checklist of what audiences want based on consumer research rather than write a story from the heart.
>>214703274I agree that much of the loss of faith in our institutions has to do with the "Russian shit" you mentioned. The Communist sympathizers in this country called it the "long march into the institutions". I don't think they expected their actions to discredit the institutions themselves, but that's what happened—credibility doesn't flow from titles and brutalist architecture, no matter how much they wish it did. And far from rolling over and shrugging, the people have now twice voted to throw a bomb into the federal government, in the form of a self-aggrandizing blowhard reality TV star, for the simple reason that he was a better alternative to the continued corruption and looting. DS9 even predicted part of it.
>>214703484The problem with the people writing new Star Trek isn't philosophical as much as them just not knowing the material.They're writing Doctor Who, not Trek. Everything is fate and destiny and magic and "true evil" and it's just all generic sci-fi shit from Who or Star Wars and just isn't Star Trek.So, the problem is with the clowns hiring these writers, a bunch of retarded boomers like Goldsman who hire every millennial chungus writer they can find to try and trendchase and make their brand as much like Marvel as possible in tone and presentation (because Marvel make big money durrrr durrr). Bonus points if it's a woman or a minority writer. Doesn't matter if they know anything about Trek, just get them to watch Measure of a Man and Inner Light and it's good enough.
>>214703484They don't have to follow what audiences want. There is no incentive to actually appeal to wide audience anymore because the profit structure is different. You can make niche slop that only the director and people making it want to see and then shart it onto a streaming service. It's not like the old days where the show actually needed to be good and actually have people watching it or it wouldn't last a season.
>the quality of being honest and genuine in your thoughts, feelings, and actions, free from deceit or hypocrisyMaybe I am dumb but where are you guys getting that sincerity comes from a distrust of institutions? Can't you sincerely distrust something? Are you guys saying cynicism is a Left Wing thing?
>>214703489In DS9 the government still cared about the people enough to feed them and place them in a specie district, regardless of how bad it is. In reality no one cases and people die on the street.The 2020s as envisioned by Trek is far better than what we have.
>>214703489Isn't there just more corruption and looting now?
>>214703537It's worse than that. It's not like the writers haven't read any sci-fi. They just steal it while cloth. SNW ripped off The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas without crediting le Guin, but STD performatively named a vessel the le Guin for girlboss points. Disingenuous
>>214703550No, my point was that the earnestness and sincerity visible in 1960s Star Trek came from the fact we were fighting a Cold War against a series of hostile foreign powers (mostly the USSR) and so we had to support our government because we thought the alternative was worse. Once the Soviet Union collapsed, we felt triumphant, and so we got TNG. When we finally had a chance to look at what our government, and institutions, were really doing, we noticed how corrupt and self-serving they were, and we lost a lot of faith in them, leading to DS9. My overall point is that nutrek is a reflection of the times, and oldtrek fans that seethe about nutrek are actually seething about modern times, without realizing that the earnestness and sincerity they remember was never real, it was just a Cold War facade.
/trek/ Watchalong Bros, Hide and Q is on now.Part II of The Maquis in a few bongs
>>214703526>They're writing Doctor Who, not Trek. Everything is fate and destiny and magic and "true evil"There is not destiny or magic in Classic Who. All stuff like the Doctor basically being Jesus or companions having super importance to the universe is just something that came about in NuWho. Now you can make the point there is a lot of stuff in Classic that is just soft sci-fi, technobabble, or works on Clarke's Third Law idea, but that stuff is found in Star Trek. My main point is you have to distinguish between Classic and NuWho, and even then you can even breakup NuWho with everything post-12th. Given that we divide Star Trek into NuTrek, same has to apply there.
wow, a Pocket Pony
>>214703604I remember seeing that DS9 episode in 1995 and thought its view of the 2020s was unrealistically bleak. How little I knew what was coming.
>>214703637Old Star Trek writers were raised on classic sci-fi while new Star Trek writers were raised on Star Trek.
>>214703665where do we watch
>>214703690Except in the specific case I gave where a NuTrek writer stole from an established scifi story and didn't give credit. >>214703666Moving from Madman in a Box to The God Who Walks Among Us was the dumbest shit RTD, Moffat and Chinballs could have done. But they were drinking from the same warm piss well that produced The Matrix. The concept of THE ONE WITH THE DESTINY TO ACCEPT THE HERO'S CALL TO ADVENTURE is what happens when you take Joseph Campbell too seriously.
>>214703663>>214703550I think you're both wrong. When people say nutrek is insincere it's referring to the fact that it has no vision behind it, nothing to say, no reason to exist except to use the IP to make something, anything to trick people into signing up for a streaming service to watch it. That's why it's all just following fads and trends of the time, no one fucking cares about the content or the integrity of the IP.
>>214703695H&I, a free over the air channel. You can just load up the episodes from somewhere else and watchalong though, Maquis starts at the top of the hour
>>214703690And yet they didn't internalize any of it. While I agree one can not be raised only on television people like Kirk or Picard are actually good role models for how a man should act. People today don't act like adults and writers don't write adults. That was one of the reasons I can't watch new trek. The people on the screen are supposed to be the best of the best but they don't act like it.We are a civilization in decay and I don't need a reminder of that from bad television. One of the perks of living at the end is you have access to all the great works of previous generations.
You know who would have avoided the Bell riots?Gul COCOT!ha ha telephony humor
>>214703690Yeah this is a big problem with every creative field right now. Someone in /v/ summed it up pretty well for the vidya side once.>Chrono Trigger had a campfire scene because the devs went camping and sat around campfires as kids. Pixelshit Indie RPG 3 has a campfire scene because Chrono Trigger had a campfire scene.
>>214703690>while new Star Trek writers were raised on Star Trek.I wishThis is demonstrably NOT TRUE, however. Kirsten Beyer who is the self-professed "Star Trek expert" among Nu Trek writers and is often consulted by them on questions of canon, said once that she only watched VOY before writing Star Trek and the fact that the other writers are consulting her shows you how little they know.These people weren't raised on Star Trek at all. They don't even like it.
>>214702719i just watched The Visitor episode for DS9 for the first time and it fucked me up. the start to season 4 is crazy
>>214703774>The people on the screen are supposed to be the best of the best but they don't act like itWhat does this mean, because it means something different to everybody, and how do you write character flaws in somebody who is supposed to be "the best of the best"? I think first and foremost the characters in Star Trek are just supposed to be human even if they are alien.
>>214703809https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_SimulationVery applicable
>>214703844I think its more like they are at least always TRYING to be the best versions of themselves even if they fall short. They aren't just content being terrible assholes.
>>214703844If you can't see the difference between how characters act on TOS or TNG compared to DISCO you are beyond saving. One acts like men who are part of an elite fleet who take concepts like duty and honor seriously the others act like children that never grew up.
>>214703846We are at PUMPKINSPICECON 4 on the Baudrilliard Threat Model, yes yes
>while new Star Trek writers were raised on Star Trek.BF you are fucking retardedTNG, DS9, and VOY are shows where the writers were raised on Star Trek. Moore, Behr, all of those guys grew up on TOS. Ron Moore was a 25 year old college student with a picture of Kirk over his bed when he got his first spec script accepted on TNG. He was just a fan.The Nu Trek writers don't know anything about Star Trek. Maybe they've seen a handful of TNG episodes but they're not fans the way that anyone in this thread is a fan.
>>214703869When talk about characters come up I always see the word 'likeable' and I never understood this concept. We all like Gul Dukat, but he isn't a likeable guy by any means in terms of not being a terrible asshole. He is charismatic, but is that enough to be likeable?
>>214703909Tawny Newsone and Katherine Lyn excepted, they're deep in the lore. They just prefer screwball comedies
>>214703920>He is charismatic, but is that enough to be likeable?Yes.
>>214703869>>214703844Acrually I watched a good video recently that I forgot the name of that points out how a lot of protagonists in shows today that are supposed to be the "good guy" are actually incredibly self centered, selfish and narcissistic. They act like they don't even have flaws. They are perfect and it's the world that is wrong.
>>214703920>We all like Gul Dukat, but he isn't a likeable guy by any means in terms of not being a terrible asshole. He is charismatic, but is that enough to be likeable?He's entertaining because he is so narcissistic he believes he is the hero. You can't look away from a train wreck like that and that's why we elected one of those types twice
>>214703920Gul Dukat is a bad guy....we are not holding him to that standard of trying to be his best.
>>214703945this image is inspired but i would rather see it with multiple Guls instead of just Dukat. Get Ivek in there, Gul Darheel, etc
>>214703937People like to joke about Kirk but he is always willing to sacrifice himself for his ship and his ideals. I just finished Errand of Mercy and he was ready to fight and die because it was both his duty and the right thing to do. Even if the people would not defend themselves he would because that is what his code told him was the correct course of action.
>>214703954>Gul Dukat is a bad guyproof?
>>214703968I was in a hurry since I was in another tab ginning up https://vocaroo.com/1iWaxxhBRopBBut yes, dukat, damar, madred, evek, macet (thats cheating), darheel, uh, broca...maybe next time
>>214703995>proof?he cheated on his loving wife and had a bastard child whom he did not bother to raise
>>214703954You make an excellent point and that is how bad guys like Darth Vader end up sometimes stealing the show. I guess I'm just trying to figure out where character flaws and likeablity intersect.>>214703937Makes another excellent point.
>>214703995he sperged out at and was mean to Kira because his stupid daughter wanted to fuck Garak even though it wasn't her fault anyway I think this is the video I was talking about https://youtu.be/kPEeKMsmq_0
>>214703988What are Kirk's flaws? I am not being sarcastic here I haven't watched enough TOS and am asking.
>>214704087He has that thing where he blames himself for things that were out of his control and can't let it go and the trauma from that interferes with his future decision making. Blaming yourself is cope for not wanting to accept the fact that sometimes no matter what you do you can't win.
>>214704087>I haven't watched enough TOS and am asking.I am not going to do your homework. All of Star Trek exists in dialogue with TOS and you can't understand any of it without being grounded in TOS. Get off the internet and watch.
>>214704140Thank you for an honest answer and dialog. I really appreciate it.
>>214704087>What are Kirk's flaws?All from the movies. >TMPcannot adjust to the desk job life of an admiral and basically sidelines decker on his own ship>TWOKso used to never losing that he is psychologically unequipped to accept a no win scenario >TSFSkind of a shit dad to David Marcus >TVHdoesn't know any good profanity and violated temporal protocols by bringing whale dr back>TFFinsists on carrying his trauma and pain with him; worked against the sha-ka-ree God in that case but in general a bad fit for the Starfleet "talk to your counselor all the time" culture>TUCRacist against klangz for no honest geopolitical reason>GenerationsLeft eternal paradise
>>214704087By the films you have the idea he can't move on from his heyday being over. Sort of like the argument that gets made about Riker sticking with Enterprise's commander when he should move on.
I hate how Riker's personality instantly changes just because he has Q powers. It's so gay and cringe.
>>214704212Interesting. So would you say most of his character development comes from the movies more than the show?Do I have to watch any particular episodes of TOS to get the movies? I might just watch the movies.
>>214704087His sense of duty, although admirable, verges into being a fault for him. There is an aspect of it being compulsive in a way that is questionable if can be good for his state of mind, and it not like it especially did wonders for his personal life.
>>214704254Watch the episode called Obsession
>>214704212I get why Kirk viewed promotion to admiral as a negative. I have been promoted in multiple jobs to a higher level and always end up leaving because at a certain level the ability of one man to have an effect is limited. When it is just you and your small team your area of effect is small but you the individual can still do a great deal.I suppose it is a weakness but for the right type of person it serves as a good lesson about knowing your place and sticking to those places you are most comfortable.
>>214704254>So would you say most of his character development comes from the movies more than the show?Yes. TOS was like a commedia dell'arte insofar as the Kirk/Spock/McCoy archetypes were fixed. They were who they were and it was their interplay relative to the situation-of-the-week that led to different results. It was entirely episodic and there was no actual character development during the show itself.
>>214704328>there was no actual character development during the show itselfthis is just wrong.
>>214704328>Kirk/Spock/McCoy archetypes were fixedFrom what little I have seen of TOS I always considered their dynamic Hegelan with Spock being the thesis, McCoy being the antithesis, and Kirk finding the synthesis somehow. Does that make any sense?
>>214704374
>>214703900This is so egregious in SNW. Holy shit. It barely feels like they have a command structure on the fucking ship. It's like Captain Pike's daycare for retards. Dude is confronted with a situation, some fucker gets all CAPTAIN CAPTAIN I'M THE BEST FOR THE JOB and she then proceeds to do whatever while Pike just sits in the back and watches like a cuck. Complete madness. Any other captain would take the crew's objections and suggestions into account, formulate a course of action, and command them using the best resources available. But no, not Captain Cuck, he just likes to watch.
>>214704374Another way to think of it was that Spock was the head, Kirk the hands and McCoy the heart. I've also seen Freudian model but fuck that guy. The synthesis was highly situation dependent
>>214704374Spock as logic, McCoy as emotion, and Kirk mediating between the two I get that but the characters are more complex Take Miri where McCoy tests the vaccine on himself. Given they are close to death and have no alternative this is logical but Spock argues against it.
The Maqueef Pt. 2 let's go my watchbros
>>214704420>Freud>fuck that guyWhy? Are you his mother?
>>214704473Good one, I just don't trust coke heads
>>214699023>only woman in the top 10 is an autistic robotjej
In The Undiscovered Country, Spock tells Valeris "nature abhors a vacuum."while traveling across light years of open space
>>214704574I cant imagine what group of total mongoloids participated in this that Trip ranks that high
>And now, the conclusionah Majel Barrett how I miss your dulcet tones
Sisko POPPING OFF
>>214704018so Gul Dukat was a stand-in for Steve Jobs?
omg this fat Cardie.
>>214704728Nah Jobs was off doing NeXT back then. But really any powerful narcissist
>Do it, faggot. t. Dukat
TUC was filmed years after TNG premiered. Why did Chang et al not al not do the Klingon death ritual when Gorkon died
>>214704677Brooks can chew that scenery so well. Alaimo too, this show is the best for it honestly
>>214704949>Alaimo tooWhat else is he even in? Is this actually his best role?
It is blindingly obvious that Villeneuve patterned the Harkonnen arena scenes in DUNC after the courtroom scene is TUC
healthy male friendships last so long
>>214704051Pretty perceptive video. tl;dr: modern storytellers are trying to sell narcissism as strength, and that rings hollow for many viewers, even if they were raised in such an environment.
>>214704980Oh I guess I meant within the context of Star Trek. No idea what either of those guys have been in besides this.
Chang would recognize McCoy as a valiant warrior in the battle against mortality and would not throw him under the bus like that. Bad writing
>>214704247Obviously a parable on how power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>>214705194So obvious the literally spell it out in those exact words in the episode. But it's not that he's been corrupted it's the way he literally starts copying Q's mannerisms and stuff too.
>>214691034Space Ghost except Trek.
We have evolved beyond the need to accumulate pornography material.
>>214705361FINE ur mum can have her hipster ass polaroid nude selfies back
>>214704464dukat having himself a little feast was pretty comfy
>>214704728whoa whoa whoa, he's not that evil
>>214704018there's no proof he cheated on his wife. I always got the impression his (legitimate) kids were all really young.
>>214705596>there's no proof he cheated on his wifeZ I Y A LIYAL
I want to wake upOn the station That never sleeps
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>>214705558kek
>>214694998Have you seen the amazing digital circus? Woman show. A guy show is military gun secret intelligence terrorism stopper Jack Ironsite and his heavy jawline and CrossFit beefy shoulders
>>214703738That's a good point—for instance, the season finales of LD were mostly political, which is not something I deliberately seek out. And, as much as I liked LD, I considered Mariner to be completely insufferable, a bad protagonist in the vein of >>214704051. But the other three lower-deckers were decent. Boimler represented the "book smart" type without experience, Tendi was the outsider trying to escape her appointed destiny, and Rutherford was the gifted engineer whose inventions got co-opted by political types for their own use.
New for the gropplers >>214705768>>214705768>>214705768
>>214705665did you read the rest of what I said? she's 19-20 years old. we have no basis to know when Dukat was married. and in one episode he is like announcing that it's his oldest son's birthday and it just struck me as something you would say about a child so it makes me think his oldest can't be an adult.
>>214705809You faggot Dukat apologist. Have some respect for the universal sacrament of marriage. You don't even have to be a Christ cuck. Stop defending that absolute cad
>>214690963im listening!
