There are no less than 5 Star Wars threads on this board at a time and yet no thread ever consolidating them. What's the best SW project, and what's the worst?Who's the best Jedi and who is the worst?
*makes panties immediately drop*
In Attack of the Clones specifically: what were Palpatine’s original plans and how did they differ from what actually played out? Did he create two opposing sides, and lay in wait for his opportunity to take more power or was it all according to his blueprint?
>>215526529Would love a star wars board, ngl. Would even happily share it with other disney-frens.
>>215526603>even has the Lando trilogy by L Neil SmithNice.
>>215526529i like to think its all the hard working men and droids making the death star a great place. what other workforce could build it twice? fuck luke skyfaggot
>>215527860>build it the second time with the exact same weakpointNah, the Empire a shit
>>215526603Where's all The Acolyte stuff? ARE YOU A FILTHY DISGUSTING BIGOT!!!!? STAR WARS HAS MOVED ON GRANDPA!
>>215526529male cosplaying is a homo pursuit
>>215527917Stop getting angry over made-up scenarios
>>215527888It didn't have the same weakpoint and they were only able to destroy it by flying into the core to directly strike the main reactor. And that was only AFTER a strike team disabled the shield system which was projected from the nearby planetary surface.>>215527917Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
>>215526529It can be counted upon that, at any given time, regardless of date or time of day, that there will be at least all four of the following threads in the catalog. 1. star wars2. star trek3. simpsons4. seinfeldThis fact holds true as a law of nature, and will never be broken. Go ahead. Feel free to check the catalog right now, or any time in the future that you want. You will ALWAYS find the 4 S threads
>>215527888Frankly I don't think you've seen Star Wars
ROTJ > ESB > ANH > TPM > ROTS >>>> AOTC >>>> Disneywars (original versions, not the special editions where they ruin Jabba’s introduction by replacing him with a CGI clown)
>>215527975>it’s not the same >actually it is, they just needed some offworld shield for a moon sized battlestation instead of just building the shield on the moon sized battlestation A shit
>>215528001>(original versions, not the special editions where they ruin Jabba’s introduction by replacing him with a CGI clown)I don't think you know what you talking about
>>215527373Basically yes. He created the separatists with count dooku and loyalty from the trade federation, and secretly commissioned a clone army pretending to be lost Jedi Sypho Dias so it couldn't be tracked back to him. The only part of his plan by this point that fell apart was Obi Wans discovery of the clones early, but ultimately it was meaningless. The separatists already having a droid army meant that the republics hand was more or less forced to use the clones, leading to the clone wars and eventually Revenge of the Sith
>>215528025How is it wrong? In the original versions he wasn’t even shown until ROTJ and that’s why it worked. In ANH and ESB he’s this offscreen threat, just hanging over Han’s head. Then ROTJ finally shows him as this disgusting, believable puppet. The CGI Jabba scene in ANH completely ruins that. The special editions turn him from a crime boss into a cartoon slug. And it kills the pacing and tone at the start of ROTJ along with that dumb Jedi Rocks song when the original song worked much better and didn’t feel out of place.https://youtu.be/2w25pcTIFlQ
>>215528019>hitting a surface target is the same as having the fly inside an unfinished superstructure and hitting the core directlyKill yourself.>>215528001>>215528025Return of the Jedi SE is fucking atrocious.
>>215528265I see what you are saying. I thought you were implying that his original introduction was in ANH and they replaced him in that scene with the weird stand-in human
>>215528319>no argument as to why they wouldn’t just build some shields into the giant planetkiller thing when it’s a known weaknessI accept your concession retard
Were we robbed?
>>215528442They did. The shield generator was on Endor and had to be destroyed so Lando could fly into the construction and destroy what had been built
>>215526529I legitimately think that the first sequel trilogy movie was being genuine.Then the second one was like some behind the scenes sabotage of the franchise and Abrams just gave up and went though the motions with the third movie.
>>215528442They weren't finished building it yet and Palpatine ordered them to focus on making the superlaser operational
>>215528481Everything wrong with the sequel trilogy was set up in TFA, and people who defend that shitty flick are tools or fools.
>>215527976>currently only Simpsons and Star Wars threads are active
>>215528481The first sequel was an attempt to hook the largest audience possible by soft-rebooting, telling a story using a formula instead of passion, and making sure everything was juuuuust different enough aesthetically that absolutely nobody is pleased. TLJ dared to ask the question "what if we did something more interesting than that", with the answer being everybody with a room temp IQ (main demographic) refuses to watch Star wars ever again"TRoS is the result of executives panicking and once again trying to please as many people as possible, but this time with the weight of having to wrap up the Star Wars saga AND build narratively off of TLJ, which took the biggest risks in the franchise. Guess how that turned out. I don't know if it was possible to stick the landing given the full circumstances, but I do know that if Episode 7 attempted to be interesting in any capacity than the whole trilogy wouldnt be tainted with JJs corrupt DNA
>>215528453Yes and I am going to be personally responsible for the removal of Bob Iger from the company
>>215528453 Somehow, Ben Solo didn't return
>>215526529Holy shit, is that Dirk Lasermaster, The Last Laser Master?
>>2155285721. star wars>>2155256442. star trek>>2155114723. simpsons>>2155279234. seinfeld>>215528801
>>215528453Would be kino
>>215528453No. The names involved appeal to a certain type of critic and fan who think that applying the right type of creative prestige to Star Wars will save and fix everything. Then Disney creates and puts it out there only to end up with audience numbers like Andor and the reception of TLJ. We've been here before several times already.
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>>215528453Kylo has always been a shit character, no solo movie is fixing that when they can't even do Obi-wan or Boba Fett well.
>>215526529>What's the best SW projectKOTOR without question
>>215529259KOTOR 2*
>>215528481>was like some behind the scenes sabotage of the franchiseAbrams was a producer on TLJ. Anything that went on in it, he knew about it. Everything in the A-plot was nothing but confirmation of things Abrams pretended were mysteries to obscure just how much damage he did by hitting the reset button while offering no explanation for how things are the way that they are in a 2 hour movie. This is just what Abrams does: waste your time with mystery boxes that never had anything in them. Just look at Lost.None of this is to say TLJ is blameless. It is a bad movie in its own right, but nobody could've made that setup work. You cannot end TFA like this, with Luke just chillin' only a day after his best friend died and the republic was genocided, and write any other reason for it other than he was a total bitch. Even Abrams didn't have anything in mind. His idea for the ending would've only made it worse.
>>215526529>There are no less than 5 Star Wars threads on this board at a timeright now there are 3 threads on the catalog including this one.
>>215526603I have a third of this, they're incredibly comfy books.
Hopes for the recanonized/remake of the Old Republic era?
>>215530078Hope it never happens and they let those fans continue their remaster instead.
>there are too many Star Wars threads!>I’ll make another one
>>215526529Here's the worst Jedi
>>215530078Id prefer a reimagining that takes what works from the era but does away with what doesn't. I don't like the PT aesthetic bleedthrough at all, and I despise the stagnant technology.
>>215530078A slew of books to establish what's been kept and what's been changed
https://kotaku.com/star-wars-original-theatrical-cut-4k-restoration-leaks-screenshot-disney-2027-2000638887The theatrical version of the OT is being restored supposedly
>>215529390>Everything in the A-plot was nothing but confirmation of things Abrams pretended were mysteries to obscure just how much damage he did by hitting the reset button while offering no explanation for how things are the way that they are in a 2 hour movieThis doesn't get brought up enough. For all the talk about subversion, almost all the dumb shit in TFA that makes no sense is promptly confirmed in TLJ.TFA implies the first order are an empire tier power due to their sheer resources, but TLJ confirms they're powerful enough to roll the entire galaxy in two fucking weeks.TFA implies the republic are drooling incompetents, but TLJ confirms that they're utterly useless retards who folded in two weeks. TFA implies Leia's group is the literal only fighting force in the galaxy, but TLJ confirms that the group who blew up 5 fucking planets faced absolutely no resistance to the point they all gave up and refused to help in less than a month.TFA implies Snoke is a palpatine level figure, but TLJ has him casually smack around Kylo and Rey while performing feats that literally killed Luke.The only subversion is rey's parentage, but he doesn't get any points for that because it's aimed at the audience rather than the character.In context rey's response should have been>I don't care who they were, I just want them back
>>215531066I wonder if they will be able to beat Despecialized
>>215530226Dinojedi is the all-time best Jedi.
>>215528644>what if we did something more interesting than that",And what's so interesting about TLJ? We literally have a Poe segment that leads nowhere and only introduces a pointless conflict with an angry feminist, Finn and Rose attempt a Supremacy mission that leads nowhere and fails miserably, and then Rose went full (woman) retarded.The only serious part of the film is the one with Rey and Luke, which, even accepting that Luke has become a caricature of himself, is handled poorly because he's essentially more of a Rey-Kylo tool.Every time any of you fake intellectuals say that TLJ made things more interesting, you're blatantly lying.If Rey had fallen to the dark side of the force along with Kylo, then yes, there could have been an interesting twist.
>>215529259>>215529368>>215530078The KotOR games absolutely shat on that era and turned it into prequel generic. It brought back the same bullshit (Sith) Empire vs. (Jedi) Republic dichotomy, same centralized uniformity of the galaxy (politics and economics), and even had the stupid Darth titles.Not that the games were bad, stories and character arcs were decent and the precursor civilization was interesting, but I wish they didn't pull back generic aesthetics so much to appeal to retards. Sure that era had scarce depiction prior, but the few comics had a neat aesthetic that was still Star Wars in it's own way, and it was a complete mistake that the games ignored that aesthetic entirely for easily digestible generic.>>215531416>triple linebreak after greentextStopped reading there.
>>215528644>TLJ dared to ask the question "what if we did something more interesting than that"This movie was so close to plagiarism that they shot a scene with a guy touching the ground just to confirm it was only 99% Hoth again instead of 100%.
>rots novelization>tlj? It's honestly tough>qui gon, avar kriss, elzar mann, in that order>episode 8 Luke Skywalker
>>215526529What exactly is shown in this picture? A figurine?
>>215531565In true the entire Sequel trilogy is an absurd plagiarism because it basically follows the same events as the OT, but change the chronological order .
>>215531606That is either nuBattlefront 2 or the book of boba fett.
>>215526529Best Jedi is OT Luke.Worst Jedi is ST Luke.You knew that was coming.
>>215527373I don't think anyone really knows this, maybe not even George. 'Sifo-Dyas' is clearly made up nonsense, but the official back story is that that's what happened.
Realistically if Lucas had sold Lucasarts 6 years earlier, when Disney was still in the not retarded time because of the "Metoo" and the new Hollywood agenda, probably two good films would have been feasible.
>>215526529>KOTOR 2>The Last Jedi>Obi-Wan >Rey
>>215531702Well you certainly wouldn’t be wrong. It’s hard to top sequel trilogy Luke in terms of shittiness. Maybe a high republic Jedi would be a contender, but sequel Luke is a different kind of shitty from that.
>>215531866I like most of the HR Jedi. Granted I haven't read a lot of the comics.
>>215531606>>215526529That's Luke's actor in Book of Boba Fett before the CGI Luke face is put on him
>>215528319Wise Old man Luke Skywalker from Legend would have been nice.
>>215526529>What's the best SW projectVisions.>and what's the worstThe Force Awakens.>Who's the best Jedi and who is the worst?Best is Saesee Tiin.Worst is Ahsoka.
>>215532032>Saesee TiinI had to use Google, what the fuck
>>215532093https://youtu.be/THFxKwUrBYY?si=qkUDYUXvF_Wi2xFWI can’t help but love it.
>>215531866The High Republic Jedi are great. Very nobile and faithful to tradition, but after a thousand years of no large scale conflicts, they have faultered in their attachments and priorities
>>215532009you might be right but I'm dubious because it seems clearly not to be unmodified photography and has hallmarks of bad old deepfake already applied. Look at his irises they are not anywhere near the same size. I think someone may have found a frame where the deepfake kind of half slipped off
>>215528453>robbedHard to say. Soderbergh would certainly make a better film than JJ or Rian. But it would still be stuck in the sequel continuity with Adam Driver of all people.It would have to be a soft retcon for him to be alive which indicates that it could've been Soderbergh fixing the st and maybe he would've given us the missing fanservice we all wanted (Luke, Han and Leia all together one last time, Luke doing literally anything of competence etc) combined with a compelling story. Without seeing a script it's impossible to say
>>215528481>I legitimately think this thing we all saw happenAnyone shitting on TFA is just being contrarian. It's nothing special but it's entirely serviceable for a family action film acting as a soft reboot. There's a reason it made 2 billion dollars.They got cocky with its success though and yeah.
>>215529390>nobody could've made that setup workAbsolutely ridiculous statement. A retarded toddler could've come up with something better than TLJ. TFA is so vague and non-committal that you could write almost anything as its sequel and make it fit. Rian went out of his way to write something retarded.
>>215533202>it's entirely serviceableIt's a shameless rehash with an absolute minimum of development time by a C-list director nepo baby who is now box office radioactive. The entire new trilogy was stupid to vilely mean spirited.
>>215533202>There's a reason it made 2 billion dollars.That reason was the novelty of the first Disney Wars project and the benefit of the doubt. It had little to nothing to do with the actual movie
>>215533172I assume it would be a very force-lore heavy movie, requiring the diad to bring him back somehow. With that in mind, being after the ST would be a huge positive since you could have Rey's Jedi and a new political system to play with. It wouldn't need to be a direct episode 9 follow-up in aesthetic
>>215526529>What's the best SW projectGeorge Lucas's Star Wars (I-VI, The Clone Wars)>and what's the worst?Sequel Trilogy, Acolyte, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Book of Boba Fett>Who's the best JediObi-Wan Kenobi>and who is the worst?Count Dooku
>>215533202The world building was shit, EVERYONE knows Rey is a Mary Sue, 'Story for another time' was never going to go anywhere because it's JJ, and the main selling point was returning original cast and Luke wasn't in it.
>>215533767I personally have a bigger issue with Ep7s worldbuilding than I do literally everything else in the franchise. The moment they decided that an Empire analog was back and fighting on-their-luck rebels, the whole trilogy fell apart in concept. You simply can't do anything with that. At least Rey being overpowered and the origins of the skywalker saber could have easily been explained in a future film, but NOTHING could undo the awful setting
>>215533921The First Order is so over the TOP with all those ships and unlimited resources that I genuinely expected a Star Forge to pop up in The Last Jedi to explain this. Which is something that TFA itself had suggested to me since Rakata Prime was in the Luke Map.
>>215534150Years ago I had an Episode 7 rewrite that made Starkiller Base a Star Forge, and instead of destroying the Hosnian system there was a mass assassination of the New Republics top officials as the climax to a politics driven subplot.In lore, the First Orders absurd resources were hidden in the Unknown Regions, which I can accept while reading some in-universe books or comics down the line, but you simply can't wave that kind of thing away in the movie itself. Same goes for the origin of the resistance, what the First Order is built on, and what actually happened between episodes 6 and 7. It was JJs job to create a compelling setting that explains these things and he just decided not to. It's insanity.
>>215533921>>215533767You realise that normies aren't nerds like you obsessing over wookipedia?
TFA is poorly written JJ slop that only looks good in comparison to Rian garbage.
>>215533202It made 2 billion dollars because it was a Star Wars movie that sought to be for the fans in the wake of years of prequel bashing. It didn’t matter to people in 2015 what was actually going on, what mattered is that it was as simple as Star Wars was as bald nerds remembered it being in 1977. Nevermind the fact that it can’t be that simple coming off of episode 6. TLJ and Rise showed everyone they’d been conned, and that’s why they abandoned their one movie a year plans. That’s why Star Wars fatigue has set in now. That’s why nobody wants to see Rey again and the movie still hasn’t even got half a script. 2 billion dollars and still ten years later less and less people are looking back fondly every day. We were wrong, but now the wool has been pulled off our eyes. We all see TFA for what it is, and it’s shit.
>>215534270You don't need to be a nerd to expect a throughline from film to film. Episode 6 ends with the empire destroyed, episode 7 starts with (as far as normies are concerned) the empire back, as forceful as ever, and the good guys are beaten down. For them to not give an explaination in episode 7 is assinine.And like I said, I actually accept the reasons given in the tie-in content. What I want to know is why they thought it was acceptable to leave these explainations out of the film.
>>215533202It could've been anything and made 2 billion dollars. Ehat they made disrespected what came before and ensured the sequels could be nothing more than a contrived Empire/Rebels retread.
Pic related is what made me realize how much of episode 7 really is just completely unexplained. Including it's details in the movie would have made the whole trilogy significantly betterI highly recommend it to people who are open to liking the sequel trilogy but felt like it didn't hit the mark.
I like all the ST movies in the context of the larger canon, but they completely fail on their own, or even as part of the 1-9 Skywalker Saga
