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Why did he do it?

>>216207570
Release the Vecna files

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Would show work better if military (both US and Soviets) were competent?

1. Why are Hop and El so ok with killing soldiers? Yeah, government bad but they are just regular guys doing their jobs.
2. Why did demogorgon wait so long before attacking soldiers during the patrol?
3. Why didn't Vecna kidnap all those kids earlier? What was he waiting for?
4. Why is military so focused on El? Shouldn't they figure out a method of defeating demogorgons first?
5. Why Nancy and Mike didn't visit their dad? I know he's distant but still.

>>216207523
Are their neighbors deaf?
Hearing a chainsaw in the middle of the night from your neighbor's house would make anyone call the police, or at least check up on them.

>>216207523
They made being gay into a super power ffs.

I read on the other thread that Dustin is on bad terms with Steve. What's up with that?

t. At work, can only watch on saturday

>>216207612
>doing their jobs
not an excuse

>>216207632
Writers needed a conflict so they don’t like each other anymore I guess

>>216207570
>I target kids specifically because they're weak
Massive aura loss, why couldn't they just make it so it was because kids have a special energy or whatever to expand the Upside Down.

The show seems much more sadistic. The drugging of the family with the pie and then the black girl just sticking a needle in a girl. Really fucked up.

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hollychads I have found the perfect lookalike brush kino of her!

>>216207670
>aura loss
this nigga has been clapped by El twice now, he had no aura

>>216207684
>The show seems much more sadistic. The drugging of the family with the pie and then the black girl just sticking a needle in a girl. Really fucked up.
Surprised that no one mentioned that before.
>>216207647
I'm not saying that they are not justified. More that they are so cold about it.

>the military ignores Vecna and still blames Eleven for everything that happens because uh….. THEY JUST DO OKAY

>>216207612
>Why are Hop and El so ok with killing soldiers? Yeah, government bad but they are just regular guys doing their jobs.
Because he wants to protect El at any cost. And he also said that he saw the similar guys in Vietnam and they were sick bastards
>Why didn't Vecna kidnap all those kids earlier? What was he waiting for?
How was military able to restore the town after Ragnarok in the end of Season 4? We don't know a lot of details
> Why Nancy and Mike didn't visit their dad? I know he's distant but still.
He is in induced coma. And they visited their mom only because they needed info from her. Though to be honest I don't remember if they wanted to visit both parents or only mom when they arrived at the hospital.

>>216207632
uhhhh Dustin keeps fucking with the jocks so they beat his ass and he misses their big important plan and Steve is mad at Dustin for poking the bear and missing the thing. it's all kind of contrived honestly.

>>216207612
>Kill soldiers and government employees left and right like they're insects
>Spares the second in command military guy and head government researcher because???

>>216207570
massive gayface. only noah came out as lgbt but half of the cast is gay.

>>216207723
It's played for laughs too. As if drugging them was so funny. Plus all the stuff in the hospital and making jokes about stealing dead people's money.
Just really weird scenes and dialogue that morally are very questionable compared to previous seasons showing the heroes as always doing the right thing.

>>216207523
A mixed bag for part 1. My favorite scene is when the demogorgon goes to the wheelers. That was the only time I felt any tension. What’s your favorite scene?

>>216207787
Probably that too.
Then both the parents survive so whatever.

>>216207787
even that scene is ruined because they pussied out of killing the parents, like come on KILL SOMEONE YOU FUCKS

>both Wheeler parents have brown eyes
>kids have blue eyes
They are adopted.

do we know why henry's afraid of the creek?

>>216207811
The amount of filler in these episodes and introducing new characters in an already bloated cast is crazy.
They should be focusing on the cast and having them get special moments before moving on.

>>216207832
that's entirely possible tho, blue eyes are recessive

>>216207589
Crazy what he did on that island

>>216207725
>only mom
Only mom - that's my problem.
>We don't know a lot of details
Only thing I can think of is that they Steve was partially right - Vecna was weak and wounded so he couldn't just kidnap them right away.
>saw the similar guys in Vietnam
I remember that but it felt like a very weak justification to me.
>>216207762
>As if drugging them was so funny
Yeah, they could be injured from falling to the ground.
>>216207787
>What’s your favorite scene?
Probably the last one - seeing Will kicking ass instead of being a victim felt good.

>>216207834
Nuh yeh

>>216207841
>hey man we have a bloated man cast so what can we do?
>oh i know, let's add fucking holly wheeler to the mix too

>>216207612
>1. Why are Hop and El so ok with killing soldiers? Yeah, government bad but they are just regular guys doing their jobs.
El has always been rather casual about killing people. She was raised in a lab, after all. As for Hop, he knows that these soldiers have orders to kill on sight so if he wasn't prepared to kill them he would've been caught or killed a long time ago.

>>216207834
He's afraid of coming out as gay, unlike William who embraced it and gained superpowers.

>>216207864
>a very weak justification to me.
I mean his primary justification is protection of El.

Holy shit 90% of dialogue in this season is just exposition I can’t take it anymore
>Hey have you heard of The Great Escape? Well, here’s how it connects to Vecna
>Hey have you heard of A Wrinkle in Time, well here’s how it relates to Vecna
>Hey I’m Max here’s a convoluted explanation of how I’m in the Upside Down

>>216207612
soldiers don't see killing others in a firefight as killing; it's like a sport for them where you tag the other guy and he goes down, except it happens to kill them. Hopper is on war rules.

Mr Whatsit is an allegory for Epstein

how are 40 soldiers shooting at this demogorgon and it doesn't even flinch
this is retarded

>>216207872
>he knows that these soldiers have orders to kill on sight

what? no they don't. they specifically want to retrieve El.
honestly they'd want to cooperate with the main characters because they don't want Vecna fucking everything up either.

>>216207927
Plot armor :3
Epic awesome sauce writing

>>216207931
a kid being allowed to get this fat should be considered child abuse

>>216207946
They wanted to kill her all last season and Hop doesn't know that they received new orders emphasizing capture rather than kill.

>>216207931
shame we only get Fatboy McSlim for one season

>>216207894
anon his ONLY character trait is protection of El. him being willing to coveniently murder soldiers just makes him more one-dimensional.

>>216207871
We have only 9 episodes this season. Let's add Holly along with all these new characters who are also in this quarantine zone. Don't explain how they work or earn money either.
Just pretend they aren't in a quarantine zone after introducing this in the first episode.
Why not focus on the struggles of living in the zone?
Instead just move on to other things. lol

>>216207872
>216207723
>I'm not saying that they are not justified. More that they are so cold about it.
>>216207900
>soldiers don't see killing others in a firefight as killing
Speaking for experience (genuinely curious)?
>>216207927
They are white men, not racially and sexually diverse band of misfits, what did you expect, chud?

>>216207895
the references have really gotten out of control. it was one thing when it was just visual nods to E.T or Stand By Me by having the bikes or them walking on train tracks etc, but having the characters look into the camera and just explain popular fiction stories is getting very grating.

Like just do the tunnel without expositing about The Great Escape, for those who get it it's an amusing nod, for those who don't they don't need to have the show ground to a halt to explain that this is in fact a reference to the Great Escape.

>Steve wants to go to Nancy to check up on her/cheer her up after her parents got hospitalized and her sister kidnapped
>Jonathan wants to focus on their current task so they can find and rescue Nancy's sister as soon as possible
Who was in the right, who was in the wrong?

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Thoughts?

>>216207927
they should have had a 50yo woman stab it with a pair of scissors.

>>216207824
>demogorgon basically fucking kills everyone it attacks in one slash
>the wheelers get mauled by it and survive because i have no idea why
I'm not convinced anyone will die. Max will run through the magic memory realm portal and return to her body perfectly normal.
The scenes in the trailers that we haven't seen of various characters distressed will be "oh no vecna kidnapped x character!!!".

>>216207931
kino

>>216207991
Jonathan is the wrong for being an insecure sperg everytime Steve does something.

>>216207984
>More that they are so cold about it.
El has been a killer since season 1 and Hop is a war veteran. He was in Vietnam, he knows what happens to guys who get too emotional when bullets are flying.

>>216207971
I barely remember the US military being involved in the plot last season, they just show up and seal up the town at the end, while of course also letting everyone live their lives and go to highschool normally haha

>>216207991
Jonathan is right, Steve is only interested in Nancy poon

I’m hoping Will starts to Vec out in the next part.

>>216207984
>Speaking for experience
No. And I'm not playing down the personal trauma of killing another man. It's just how war is. It's like a big strategy game where you have to look at killing the other guy as scoring points for your team. That's trivialising a lot, obviously, but "killing" has a much different meaning in a military context than a civilian one. The overall goal isn't killing for killing's sake, just victory, and killing happens to be the usual path to victory in war.

>>216208023
>I barely remember the US military being involved in the plot last season
They showed up in California and were seemingly trying to kill Will, Jonathan and Mike. Then they raided the lab where El was regaining her powers explicitly to kill her. This is when Brenner died. How did you miss all of this and still have a recollection of season 4?

>>216207981
I can't think about the quarantine thing. It just falls apart instantly and makes no fucking sense.

Holy Shit and now they introduce this annoying fat kid

>>216207995
"I'm really bored"

>>216208004
>The scenes in the trailers that we haven't seen of various characters distressed will be "oh no vecna kidnapped x character!!!".

those will be scenes where vecna or a demo slash a main character so they fall down or out of shot looking pained, but are fine two minutes later.

>>216207995
>stranger things fans when a character stretches out their arm and screams

>vecna can just walk into the real world any time he wants
what were the past 4 seasons about then

Why this nigga Hnery tryna rip off Oppenheimers fit bruh lol

>>216208069
Of course. The military would be monitoring everyone in the town and these kids couldn't get away with half the shit.
Plus how are there rich people in this zone with jobs? What industry would be thriving in a quarantine zone? lol

>>216208064
it was three years ago. mostly I only cared about the first episode and the one with kate bush. besides, all the scenes with the US military blur together with the Russian military, they may as well be the same group for all this show cares.

>>216208112
Clearly he was just trolling Will for being a weak, gay baby. That seems to be pretty important to him.

>>216207995
unironically this insisted upon itself. it felt like it wanted to be some really cool epic moment but I don't care enough about Will and all he's doing in this scene is saving a bunch of characters I knew 100% weren't going to die anyway so it was meaningless

>>216208069
they put a metal plate over the portal to hell anon, that means everyone can keep going to high-school as normal.

>>216208116
>What industry would be thriving in a quarantine zone?
Probably the energy sector and local services like plumbers and mechanics

>>216207981
>Why not focus on the struggles of living in the zone?
I miss scenes from S1 when they were just taking classes or confronting bullies.
>>216208020
>El has been a killer
Yes, killer of her captors/people actively hunting her, not some regular guards. She's still young so it's weird it's not explored in more detail.
>Hop is a war veteran
Still, the way he used that scientist guy as a decoy was extremly cold, even for him.

>turns out that the Upside Down isn't a permanent alien hell dimension, its only slightly larger than the town and was created in the 50s

wow this is so cool

>>216207991
Jonathan clearly understood Nancy more and is doing the right thing.
I don't even know why the writers are doing with Steve when it's very clear that Jonathan and Nancy has always been the end game from the start, they're even planning on having him propose to her before the season ends, it better be not some death flag just so they could change their mind and set up Steve with Nancy.

I was hoping that the explanatory dialogue of season 4 would decrease but holy fuck. It 90% of the dialogue

>>216208147
Season 1 is comfy af. They had a story to tell and wrapped it perfectly.
Every season since has just been a rehash of 1 and an introduction of more and more characters.
The problem is they won't write characters out of the show or kill them off so we end up with this bloated mess.
They just want to pay this big group of people a salary because they got lucky and made a hit show.

So the demagorgan can kill multiple armed men in like 2 seconds but acts like a retard that can’t do anything near main characters

>>216208147
>>216208020
El killing soldiers who are threatening her friends is fine when she's 12, her and Hopper just treating it as a regular work day while doing it years later is much, much more of a problem.

>>216208166
>turns out that the Upside Down isn't a permanent alien hell dimension, its only slightly larger than the town and was created in the 50s
Is this confirmed or only suggested? Genuinely don't remember.

>>216208112
Well vecna was a retcon. They hadn’t planned for the show to go this far. The explanation now would be a connection with will and more of the upside down bleeding into the regular world. It’s a bit messy. Also, vecna got roasted and shot up at the end of season 4. I’m not sure why it would take over a year for him to recover but maybe there’s other stuff yet to be revealed

Honestly, too much hype for what this season is. Maybe it's going to be better in the 2nd half.

>>216208188
Season 1 still has loads of mediocre writing and puts the government agents on pause whenever they would be inconvenient.

the show has always been bad, its just benefited from having more mysteries left to reveal and telling a simpler (and much shorter) story.

>>216208189
Hopper can kill one with a sword but .50bmg can't do anything to it.
I guess they're a jelly goo creature- oh nevermind they have bones and organs when Will crushed them.

>>216208205
Spoiler, it won't be better in the 2nd half.
The final episode will be rushed and won't be satisfying.
It will leave things open for spin offs of course.

Okay so who's the fat nerd boy in the trailers? I don't have Netflix I just want that answered

>>216208228
Derek.
They decided the main cast wasn't bloated enough so they added more child characters which we know are immortal.

>>216208194
Gaten uses circles to tell us that the flesh wall completely surrounds the town, and we are told that it is centred on the lab where the experiments were done originally. it seemed pretty unambiguous but who tf knows with this show.

>>216208228
new comic relief character

>>216208217
It's benefitted from the fact it's pure nostalgia bait.
Boomers get to relive the 80s and everyone younger gets to believe this is what it was like.
The nostalgia factor is why this show from 10 years ago is still thought of as good when it was just a nice fun show Netflix made when it was first starting up streaming.

Is that me or colors are bleaker in this season? The previous seasons were more colorful in my memories.

>>216208243
Dont we already have Dustin and Robin as comedy relief?

I think the Duffer bros might actually be fucking retards

>>216208258
they needed another one this time. now we've got a bratty foul mouthed fat kid to join us

>>216208228
he has the strength of 10 men

>>216208250
The last thing a Palestinian child sees

>>216208242
From the meta viewpoint: they will just say that this is a part of a bigger universe in order to do spin-offs.

All the actors just seemed exhausted and tired of playing these characters due to them being so much older but also the fact the characters do not grow or change at all.
It's just going through the motions to get the paycheck.

>>216208258
Not enough comic relief, there needs to be more *snorts cocaine*

>>216208258
Yes and that nigress whatever her name is.
But we need more! More characters! Because they don't already struggle to figure out wtf to do with the existing ones.
Like Joyce.

I’ve had enough of Robin and her quirkchungus personality. Kill her off I don’t care anymore

>>216207889
I hate how likely this is

>>216208262
nah they cooking frfr

>>216208290
How dare you say this about the proud lesbian that somehow found another one in a small town in Indiana in the 80s. lol

>>216208247
yeah it's pure 4 quadrant slop and always has been.

>>216208241
This character bothers me - who goes so fast from useless vulgar dipshit to little mr badass willing to be captured in order to save others?
Does anyone know a kid like that? Most of kids I knew at that age would be scared shitless.

>>216208287
hey joyce has a lot of range as a character between concerned mom and uhh... well no that's actually all she ever is

>>216208258
Dustin was busy getting his ass beat and Robin was busy being a plot device to get Will to accept being a gayboy. They wrote the little fatty out of the show so Dustin and Robin can go back to being the comic relief in the next batch of episodes.

>>216208319
Bingo. It was just that in 2016 it was better slop that seemed fresh and new. Now it's been done to death through multiple seasons and other networks trying to get the same show but failing.

>>216207931
thought this thing was some kind of butch girl or tranny before he spoke

>>216208310
>How dare you say this about the proud lesbian that somehow found another one in a small town in Indiana in the 80s
Girls are prone to liking girls. Girls are cute. Men gross ew. Don't be a bigot who is tryna rewrite history. Lesbos have existed for all of time

>>216208275
>be early 20's
>you're at that point where you think "yeah i'm over all that kiddy shit"
>have to go back to said kiddy shit that dominated your entire teenage life
Little wonder most of them look like they just want to get this over with. I went back to my old highschool for a few days when I was 26 (I work in construction) and all I could think of is "god I can't wait to fuck off from this job".

>>216208290
I only care about Robin if she ends up with Steve.

>>216208241
>>216208243
Wait, so a pointless character like that stoner dude from 4? Wait, is he in 5?

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as someone from indiana i appreciate that they finally gave a nod to the one thing worth mentioning about the state, sugar cream pie.

>>216208290
Maya is insufferable this season. just the same thing every single scene.

Everyone is fucking insufferable in this show

>>216208359
Yep along with the fact none have been able to have much of a career outside of this show.
It's all they are known for at this point except for Millie and a few others.

>>216208364
yes
>is he in 5
no

>>216208386
david harbour and sadie sink have marvelslop to fall back on for as long as that's lasting now. Mike's actor also got It and Ghostbusters, so there's that

>>216208386
Harbour got all the chances in the world and seems to have thrown it all away to chase pussy.

We need more scenes of them planning these elaborate plans.

>david harbour sounds like he's drunk some scenes, and radiates "i want to fuck off from this role now please" energy for the rest
It's pretty funny.

>>216208384
they really turned it up this season. everyone is yelling and angry about nothing. dustin has literally nothing to do but be angry and get beat up

>>216208415
None of the writing has his character growing or changing. He's still playing the same vet who misses his daughter from the first season.

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She is back!

>>216208414
I swear if I see that projected map one more time.

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>>216208441
Best girl

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>>216208376

>>216208415
>>216208429
most of the characters are just doing the same thing as in the first season. John and Nancy aren't even allowed to officially be fucking.

>>216208414
goddamnit I noticed this too, every episode was half of it them just PLANNING

>>216208386
>Millie
Millie has it even worse her bald head is what most people think of when they think ST. She has no career outside Netflix since no one else wants her.

>>216208460
You know all high school are super smart and come up with these plans that always outsmart adults and never fail.
Just like in real life.

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I like how in this scnee, the military are shooting the Demogorgon from like 320 degrees of the compass. most of them should be shooting each other.

Erikas actress is gonna be in so many comedy movies as a fat black woman I can already see it

>>216208478
Every scene is just exposition or planning. There is no down time at all. No scenes of them being kids or allowing the audience to relax before action.

>>216208426
Since season 3 they became annoying as fuck and almost unwatchable

>>216208426
I actually thought they toned it down from S3 and S4.

Why do Steve and Dustin just constantly fight now since S4? This isn’t that fun to see

>>216208543
Because one of them is going to die and the other one is going to cry about it holding the dead/dying body and apologizing for everything that happened this season.

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What middle school class gives lectures on Einstein-Rosen bridges and theoretically wormholes?

>>216208543
>Why do Steve and Dustin just constantly fight now since S4? This isn’t that fun to see
They will rekindle when one of them is on deaths door

>>216208509
Nah, they were issued blanks.
As a funny practical joke you see, because otherwise the sheer volume of fire that was dumped on those things would have reduced the demogorgons to meat mush.

The references are so out of control.
Once scene they go into detail on the movie The Great Escape and then the next one it's A Wrinkle in Time.
Come up with one original thing. lol

>>216208563
Ones which are giving the audience hints

>>216208563
The one that has a young black girl that is actually into wormholes. lmaooooo

>>216208526
There is normal interaction between characters though — and it’s only for Robin and Will being fags

>>216208567
the demogorgons are only weak to fire and broken glass

>>216208563
the kind of teacher who is passionate about their field of study.
>>216208574
the show is playing on 80s nostalgia, why would they make something original?

Did you think you couldn't get enough of Kate Bush Running Up that Hill the last season and play non stop after the show?
Well get ready because they are continuing to play it this season too.

>>216208543
Because they would have had even fucking less to do if the script didn't say "they are angry at each other this season".
Way too many god damn characters.

>>216208619
>Did you think you couldn't get enough of Kate Bush Running Up that Hill the last season and play non stop after the show?
you can never listen to enough kate bush, that's not even her best song

>>216208567
>As a funny practical joke you see, because otherwise the sheer volume of fire that was dumped on those things would have reduced the demogorgons to meat mush.
Obviously you didn't read D&D lore from the 80s. They have a +110% immunity to bullets when being shot by more than one person.

Why did they take so long to make this show? they could of just continued everything straight after each season instead, now everyone has different mannerisms and don’t seem like the same kids from S1.

Let's not even explain how the characters get the tools they use. Instead just have one guy in a truck deliver them the tools to do the next plan they come up with.

>>216208670
>Why did they take so long to make this show?
Mismanagement from incompetent cretins

>>216208604
It is really funny that a 40-something year old woman with a broken wine bottle did more damage than a few dozen soldiers mag dumping.
I don't think something as lanky as a demogorgon would be standing after getting lit up by .50bmg.

>>216208670
They needed to wait this long so Netflix would give them the hundreds of millions to make this. Literally every episode cost over $20 mil to make.
It's wild.

>>216207598
the last scene actually reminded me of ajin with the military against demogorgons

>>216208674
>Instead just have one guy in a truck deliver them the tools to do the next plan they come up with
He has the highest nat charisma stat of the party. He can get anything.
Y'all need to read their D&D character sheets

WTF, El just straight up jumps on a guard tower. Kills the guard with her mind by breaking her neck. Hopper then tells her good job.
Insane.

>>216207598
If they were actually competent and did something El and hopper killing them like ants would make more sense

>>216208683
don't forget that hopper was able to kill one with a completely ordinary sword last season

>>216208619
Kate is hopefully getting a big payout each time so I'm okay with it.

>>216208670
>Why did they take so long to make this show?
do you see the actors in this show? check their imdb between the start of s1 and now.
there's this thing called scheduling that exists, people only have so much time in the day.

>>216208683
>>216208721
they operate by 40k demon logic where they're weaker to melee weapons

>>216208619
>>216208655
was Vecna meant to have turned off the tape himself? because otherwise Max not escaping between seasons is based on a truly hilarious random coincidence.

>>216208717
>Hopper then tells her good job.
>Insane.
she's been killing people since the start of the show, why is this just now a shock?

>>216208674
murray is just that good. also the same guy that can perfectly speak russian fluently I guess without any accent whatsoever so as to fool russian security guards into thinking he's one of them

>>216208717
Hopper knocking that one scientist unconscious, purposely stuffing him in a glass cabinet as bait to get shot by the other soldiers is more fucked up.

>>216208670
>>216208693
not $20 million anon
$50 million per episode.

the other reason it likely took so long is because every streaming service is terrified of taking a long-term cash cow and devaluing it with something like season 8 of Game of thrones. so we're getting what is essentially a safe rehash of stuff from previous seasons.

>>216208733
Yeah? Poor excuse. Buffy was made continuously. If they didn’t stop for 3yrs at a time maybe the actors would be more available.

>>216208805
>$50 million per episode.
What a waste of money lmao

>max is a disembodied spirit in the mind realm that can traverse memories
What the fuck?

>>216208805
LMAO $50 mil?
These episodes do not look that good.
Most of that has to be going to the actors and creators of the show.
Every scene is so dark and makes it hard to even see the shitty CGI.

>>216208725
>Kate is hopefully getting a big payout each time
so the way netflix does music licensing is region by region, im not going to check but i imagine given this is THE netflix show and what a big deal the song was, it was licensed in every single region.
plus a massive resurgence in popularity of kate bush music in general she's at like 15mil+ monthly listeners on spotify last i saw.
yea i think she's eatin good off this.
and it was Winona that said she was pushing for a kate bush song to make the show, so shout out to mommy nona.

>>216208717
That bothered me too.
>>216208768
She's been killing her captors/people actively pursuing her.
>>216208777
>murray
Good that we don't see this asshole as much as in S4, along all those boring Russians, including a guy with stupid laugh.

>>216208721
>completely ordinary
it was actually a +5 holy avenger you need to hold ALT to look at an item's stats

>>216208824
Her intelligence stat got increased when her eyes went. Hence she can use magic now. Keep up lil bro

>>216208805
>50mil per episode
Holy fuck what? That's 2.5x what Andor cost and that shows production values were absurd.

Total budget for season 5 is estimated to be between $400 and $480 million.
That's completely insane.

Is the series good and worth picking up?

>>216208865
Yes if you don't have a brain
No if you think too hard about things that happen on the screen

>>216208859
What the fuck are they spending all that money on?? JFC

>>216208865
>good
S1: yes
S2-S5 so far: guilty pleasure
>worth picking up
I'm having fun but there are better things to watch.

>>216208839
>She's been killing her captors/people actively pursuing her.
every single person in uniform is complicit, they made it a point in the interrogation scene that the soldiers there weren't just grunts, they were rabid dogs

>>216208859
I don't understand. The CGI is just average netflix show tier, it's not a show that takes place all over the world, and it's not filled with A-lister actors.

>>216208865
>Is the series good and worth picking up?
s1 is kino, 2 is really good, 3 gets wacky, 4 gets really wacky, 5 somehow has brought it back to s2 quality so far, good show overall but the final episode of the last season isn't airing until new years, so if you're planning to binge might wanna wait.

>>216208840
But Holy relics lose their power in Russia.

>>216208915
All the actors and creators wanted to get paid before the show is over this season.
That bloats the budget higher and higher.

You know, I was just joking over the years when I said that the show will end with Will having gay superpowers and saving the world but that is quite literally what they did

>>216208925
>Will and robin gay escapade
>S2 quality
Not even the pajeeta episode was that bad

>>216208915
>and it's not filled with A-lister actors
>mommy nona
>harbour
>finn wolfhard
>sadie sink
plus they have to license all the music in every region

>>216208926
eve&doe their power actually increases there

>https://youtu.be/ermJ-iPg9xA
What happened to this? "oh lol that was some funny weather that day huh Hawkins, remember when the death ash rained from the sky? wild!"?

>>216208915
>and it's not filled with A-lister actors
They are making the A list actors.
Winona Ryder is a S lister though lets be real. Love her.

>>216208953
Well, what can you do, Mike's bussy is just that powerful.

>>216208892
Sarah Conner is worth at LEAST $40 million per episode you fucking sexist!

>>216208968
I wish she had fucking something to do.

>>216208980
did they really need to do another terminator reference? was the stupid russian assassin guy in S3 not enough?

>>216208992
She exists and looks pretty. Thats enough in my eyes.

>>216208655
It’s Cloudbusting.

>>216208954
while i can agree Will is a shit actor who can only play himself, an annoying gay kid, I like Maya's character and her b stories.

>>216208964
the military swooped in and built a quarantine zone around it

>>216207612
Unironically because netflix wants normies to watch that animated spin off show that takes place before season 5

>>216208865
it's one of those shows where everything involving the characters that DOESN'T concern the main plot is quite good.
the show's popularity is entirely because the characters and cast gelled very well for the first few seasons.
that said, every single season has large flaws and plot problems.

>>216208915
>and it's not filled with A-lister actors
it is filled with a large number of irreplaceable actors who have been there since the start group negotiating. Caleb, Gaten Finn, Noah and Sadie alone each got $7 million for this season

>>216207523

I take it the first episode is out then? Is Linda Hamilton on it?

>>216208964
Apparently you just need to slap some metal panels over it and that clears everything right up.

>>216209011
that's a weird way to spell Wurthering Heights

Ken got the Chuck cam but they should have kept it for when he fell over

>>216207632
Some show leaks said that Dustin girlfriend broke up with him and that's why dustin is acting like a retard

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>>216209049
>and that's why dustin is acting like a retard
they quite clearly show he's hungup on Eddies death? Did you miss him cleaning up his grave and wearing a shredded old Hell Fire shirt?

>>216207612
>1
They are at war, retard. They have been consistently trying to capture and kill them
>2
Vecna wasn't strong enough. He nearly died last season
>3
Vecna wasn't strong enough. He nearly died last season
>4
They think she is the cause of everything that happened. From their perspecitve, everywhere she goes there are dead people and kidnapped kids. In episode 4 they literally caught her conspirators kidnapping children

>>216209016
>, I like Maya's character and her b stories.
Good for you her quick chungus shit is overdone and she needs to fucking die, she wasn't even supposed to be a lesbo until that nepo slut demanded it

>the big reveal of part 1 is that Will has Vecna powers now
Pretty sure everyone already expected that to happen

>>216208968
>They are making the A list actors.

HBO's Euphoria has actually been much more successful at that.

>>216209049
Nah its because his friend Eddie did a death and hes in his misunderstood geek phase and Steve was lowkey jelly about Dustins love for Eddie so Dustin Steve relations are in the drain for some reason (writers needed the epic awesome sauce drama plot prolly to bait a death from one of them even though they are likely the most popular Funko pairing)

>>216209093
>HBO's Euphoria has actually been much more successful at that
Boobies, brown and hot tranny are the only ones I know. The rest of the cast are no namers

>>216209011
>>216209040
England My Lionheart is criminally underrated.

>>216208133
the scene shows that will now can control the hivemind, but more importantly he killed them vecna style (why?)

>>216209088
I wasn't expecting telekinesis. I was expecting it to be more like Will could seize control of parts of the hive mind or Vecna completely taking over Will's body.

>>216209129
That’s exactly what it is? He doesn’t have telekinesis like eleven.

>>216209049
>millionaire streaming superstar's gf breaks up with him

omg he's just like me

>>216209082
>she wasn't even supposed to be a lesbo
i'm willing to bet there's an award show criteria that required a lesbo character like emmy's or golden globes or whatever one is tv series.

>>216209088
Nah you have to pay attention to the last 3 seasons for that. I've seen numerous people call it an asspull on /tv/ alone

>>216209129
>I wasn't expecting telekinesis
its the easiest thing for the brain dead audience to grasp
honestly he should have been able to summon fireballs like a real mage

>>216209088
>>216209129
I thought the whole point was that El and Vecna have the same powerset and both have telekinesis, why wouldn't Will also have it.

>>216209093
>HBO's Euphoria has actually been much more successful at that.
i haven't heard of or seen anything any of those actors are in.

>>216209082
it's not like the Duffers are overflowing fountains of ideas, making characters gay is something they probably realized would at least be less obvious than what they had planned.

>>216209136
Nah, he stopped that Demogorgon attacking Mike in mid-air. If he was just taking control of it then it would've fallen harmlessly to the ground. He then raised three of them int the air and broke their bodies. It has to be some part telekinesis to defy gravity like that.

>>216209165
Spiderman and dune has zendeya
Boobies in in Jean ads
Tranny is tranny
Idk what boobies or tranny are in, I just know they exist

>>216209156
Considering we have the spirit realm now yeah sure fuck it go full magic.

>>216209115
Jacob Elordi

>>216208563
>top left
>the year is 1989
>november 16th was a thursday
kek they were as wrong as possible

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>Will travels back in time to ensure Mike grows up both gay and terrified of the number 11

>>216208892
David harbour lawyers

Remaining episodes
>1h 43m
>1h 41m
>1h 58m
>1h 50m
>Finale: Likely 2h 20m
What the fuck man. This is Turkish soap opera level

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DUNGEON MASTER!!!

>>216209093
they only make noise on twitter be fr

>>216209212
I thought the finale was e8?

>>216209212
I mean given we're half way through the season and only one thing has happened yet they're gonna need it

>>216209200
>Jacob Elordi
literally who?

>>216208717
>WHAT THE FUCK WHY IS EL KILLING SOLDIERS WHO WILL CAPTURE HER AND KILL HER FRIENDS?? THIS IS N-O-T WHOLESOME CHUNGUS
you people should stop watching the show if it makes you this upset man

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>>216209115
Jacob Elordi is the third one.

obviously you can argue that there are no proper movie stars any more but those three are definitely closer than David Harbour or MBB at this point.

>>216209165
you don't say

>>216209220
Somebody should post the Irishman Winona Ryder flashbacks from episode 4

>>216209193
>Spiderman and dune has zendeya
those were before euphoria, she was already a list.
haven't seen anything of tits mcgee and no desire to

>>216209271
>Jacob Elordi is the third one.
tranny?

>>216209212
The level of bloat in these 4 episodes is crazy. I can't wait for the final ones clocking in at 2 hours and still not having character growth. We need more planning scenes.

>season 4: el cannot find max
>season 5: el cannot find vecna
>implying max is trapped with vecna
>holly named as cleric
>max finds holly
>holly will revive max

>>216209277
>those were before euphoria
I thought dune was after? I only know this bitch from shake it up where i used to goon to the ranga as a teen

>>216209243
It is. 8 episodes total. Part 2 is ep 5,6,7 and then the finale is ep 8

>>216209311
in episode 5 eddie munson comes back as the human torch (I am a writer, this is insider knowledge)

>>216209212
>>216209244
After watching episode 4 it’s very, very clear to me that they came up with the ending for this episode first and then wrote the first 3 episodes after the fact as a setup to the rest of the season which is confirmed to be twice the length of part. Really this first half was only the 1st act out of 3, but stretched out to 4 episodes. Which is why they were so fucking boring besides Will getting powers

>>216209311
nta but you listed 5 runtimes for 4 episodes

>>216209247
he's in Frankenstein, played Elvis with Caillie Spaeny (who has a better claim to being a star thanks to Alien romulus and civil war, as absurd as that is) and is doing Wuthering Heights with Margot Robbie, the only other arguable female movie star because of Barbie.

its not a competition though and I personally didn't like his movies. success isn't meritocratic but he's really good in Euphoria.

>>216209278
australian who plays abusive bfs women want to fuck anyway.

>>216208192
its not, bootlicker

>>216209283
>I can't wait for the final ones clocking in at 2 hours and still not having character growth
at this point literally nothing else is even possible. there is no room for anything truly unexpected to happen because the setup isn't really there.

>>216208824
>max vecna invades max's mind to kill her
>show directly said previously that she reversed it and entered his mind (the red broken house area) during that same scene
>in the final scene where vecna does it again and this time el does so, too, they're all fighting inside of her mind (dance at school) and then vecna's mind (red broken house place)
>this red broken house place (inside of vecna's mind) is where max died and her heart stopped before el pumped her heart to bring her back to life like a defibrillator
You are now here. You have accapted all of these things as possible.
>max's mind is now trapped inside of vecnas and she roams through a maze of his memories
>>WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT? THIS IS TOO FAR! THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE! IMMERSION? BROKEN. DISBELIEF? N-O-T SUSPENDED. HACK WRITERS
Perhaps science fiction and fantasy isnt for you, little bro

>>216209326
It doesn’t even make sense from a writing perspective. Considering the last season ended with Vecna returning only for them to explain in this season that he just released some kind of Covid thunderstorm that made them quarantine the town, why didn’t they just *start* this season with the way part 1 ends, with Vecna fighting the military and Will getting powers? Why waste our time with all this time skip bullshit?

>>216209347
>Frankenstein
Mid
>Elvis
I thought that was that one mexican guy?
>Wuthering Heights with Margot Robbie
If there is not Margot Robbie feet I am not watching it
>because of Barbie
Delusional

Everyone aged so much they all look sickly and unhealthy. This doesn't hit the same anymore.

>>216209335
Wasn’t me and I don’t think the run times have been released for the next episodes.

>>216209421
All are doing drugs, cocaine and ozempic.

>>216209421
that is just modern beauty standards

>>216208865
Yeah, it's really good
Anons who are on here who hate on it are one of two things
>jaded and want to hate things, so they deliberately nitpick every detail no matter how small
>retarded and dont understand what they're watching

>>216209129
That's exactly what he did though

>>216209440
No, we’re just the only remaining audience members of this show who recognize its mediocrity and don’t suck its dick all the time for having clunky writing

When they were kids the bad acting was passable. Now that they are adults there is no excise for such terrible performances.

>>216209285
bad writing, thoughever

>>216209203
they also got the whole thing about prismatic ray causing blindness on a 7 wrong. that's from 5e, which didn't exist in the 80s lmao.

>>216209419
Cope. He will be nominated too

>>216209421
>Everyone aged so much
mommy nona still in her prime.
nancy and maya are noticeably older for sure though.

>>216209507
Good for him, doesn't mean he is popular. These are still niche movies.
Your everyday joe isnt watchign fucking elvis or frankenstein

I'm less than 20 minutes from the end of 4 and its been so underwhelming that I can't bring myself to stop posting aaaaaaaah help

>>216209285
I still don’t even know where Max and Holly are. If Holly is inside some weird hivemind dimension while she’s really attached to a tentacle putting slop in her mouth, how is Max there while being in a coma? How was Vecna not able to attack her once Max reached the canyon running away from him? I feel like a child watching this stupid ass show now that I’m thinking about it out loud

>>216209490
>Now that they are adults there is no excise for such terrible performances.
Will is the only kid actor that still sucks ass.
Lucas got much better in the last 2 seasons, Mike and Dustin were always strong performances from episode 1.

>>216209528
You are not alone friend.
It's almost over.
Then we just have 10 hours left of filler slop and more planning

>>216209551
i don't think you're meant to think about it. the show is so heavy handed with explaining exactly what it is happening if they don't explain something it's probably because they don't have an answer

>>216207931
He grew up to be the first poster on /tv/

>Vecnas not the only one who wants these kids
They are sending them to the island (80s edition)

>>216209551
Vecna transferred Holly's consciousness into his own mind. Reasons are pending. Max is also in Vecna's mind.

>>216209573
It's true that Netflix designs it shows so you can be on your phone while having them in the background.

>>216209551
That canyon cave place is where Henry got diddled by the mind flayer (if what I’m hearing about the stranger things live show is correct). I think both holly and max are part of vecna now

>>216209594
Why would Vecna have a canyon in his mind dimension that he himself can’t access

>>216209462
>>216209192

>>216209554
>Mike and Dustin were always strong performances from episode 1.
they were the worst "I want to see Vecnas heart on a platter" scene was hilarious and apparently no one told Finn you're meant to be sad when your family nearly die.

>>216209616
it's his repressed memory he's afraid of or.. something

>>216209616
>what is trauma
fucking retard lmao

>>216209554
Sucks that they made will such an important character. He and MIllie Brown can't carry the show. I cringe whenever they show up.

>>216209551
They're trapped inside Vecna's mind. The canyon is probably somewhere a traumatic thing happened to him, which is why he's afraid to get close to it, which will be shown on the second part of the season.
Why would Vecna specifically trap Holly in his mind? Why are the 3 other kids he kidnapped off screen together with her?
Who knows, he might be a pedophile or something.

>>216209526
the most popular films of 25 are:

1 Chinese animated slop
2 Lilo and Stich remake
3 A Minecraft Movie
4 Jurassic movie 7 or whatever
5 Japanese animated slop
6 How to train Your Dragon remake
7 F1 movie with actual star in it that unlike #9 DIDN'T underperform
8 Superman film that is good but had zero cultural impact
9 Tom Cruise slop MI film
10 Fantastic Four near-flop

so unless you want to talk about Brad there's no popular actors to discuss. hence the basis for comparison is "talented person who might be in a hit". none of the ST cast currently qualify even if that's unfair.

It’s pretty funny the show forgot about the family they kidnapped in the barn and Steve & pals in the upside down

>>216209581
he just wants to reeeach these keeeeeeeds

>>216209664
Sorry we need a 40 minute scene of kids being rescued one at a time and hilarious plumbing leaks in the barracks.
No time for anything else.

>>216209651
>no popular actors to discuss
Jack Black and Tom Cruise will live forever and keep pumping out slop people watch.
Truly are SSS Tier actors

Holly is meant to be 7 btw.

>>216209616
>>216209551
These are the kinds of people who think the show is bad
My point has been proven time and time again
Literally zero media literacy man

Sadie really is the hottest one out of all these yutes brev

>>216209630
That is contrived. The point I’m getting at is that everything in this show’s plot is incredibly contrived. They think of the plot first, then they think of why the plot happens afterwards. They like the idea of Hopper going to the Soviet Union but then realize they want to keep him alive as a protagonist so half the next season is spent with him escaping back to America. Just like how they put Max in a coma to build stakes in the last season only to bring her back in this one. Because that’s how these writers are. Characters don’t act as independent humans who make their own decisions. They go along with what the plot demands for them. They’re cardboard cutouts at this point

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>>216209722
>Characters don’t act as independent humans who make their own decisions
Its to sell merch. The longer you keep these retards alive, the more Funko pops you can sell to your brain dead audience

>>216209707
she looks the same age as the kids in Season 1

>teacher implying the military are good guys
lol, lmao even
Yank military have never been good guys. Biggest war criminals to exist.

>>216209722
Their writing isn't the best, but holy shit you're unable to understand simple tropes. Max was telegraphed as being missing at the end of season 4 because they had a clear plan of how season 5 would end. You're not as clever as you think you are. Sci-Fi and Fantasy clearly aren't genres for you. Nobody is forcing you to watch this.

>>216209722
>a character having a memory they are afraid to visit is contrived
You don't know what that word means

>>216209734
no hablo espanol. we only speak American in this thread

>>216208614
>>216208574
>>216208579
>>216208563
didnt watch yet
this season will end with everyone going back in time to unfuck Hawkins and all the shit, will it

>>216209637
just unlucky casting someone who couldn't/had no desire to improve as an actor.
he's basically just playing himself while everyone else got much better as the seasons went on he just stayed the emo gay kid

>>216209685
Ugh, the plumbing break was so fucking dumb.

>>216209800
No it will reset, so they can replace the whole cast with a new one in a new series.
5 more seasons of the same thing with new marketable funko pops to collect.
Yippee I love consumerism !!

No No NO. We are now bringing back the annoying fucks from Season 2 in the failed spin off. I don't care about the Indian girl.

>>216209829
>everyone else got much better as the seasons went on
lets not go completely insane lol

>>216209781
You really think that’s how the writers came up with that shit? No, they realized Max needed a reason to be alive in Vecna’s mind dimension so they invented a place where she has immunity. Then to justify this plot point they have this “trauma” motif where Vecna is scared to go there. So now their plot contrivance has a reason for existing and fans like you will be right there to justify their cheap writing too

>>216207523
Worse season so far.

okay guys I'm going to do it! I'm going to stop posting and actually finish the last 15 minutes! I know my dignity will not survive but wish me luck!

>>216209830
>fucking with and damaging the pipes UNDER the barracks makes a leak inside at the sink

>>216209846
everyone who sucked at the beginning, mainly Lucas.

>>216209878
>everyone who sucked at the beginning, mainly Lucas.
Just say you're racist. He unironically is the best actor of the kids. Always has been

We need more scenes of nameless soldiers dying in gruesome ways at the hands of the heroes but also Vecna.

>>216208865
We need more campy shows
Welcome to Derry is alright too

>>216209896
They should cast him as Miles Morales in the MCU so he can date Sadie Sinks Gwen Stacy Spider Gwen

>>216207523
Second best season so far

>>216209844
I know nobody watching expected it was her dumb sister because we all assumed they soft retconned that shit because everyone hated it, but it's kind of weird El just never considered it was her.

>>216209865
You didn't even understand that trauma was the explanation for this cave until someone told you. Stop pretending like you understanding writing.

Where tf are argyle, enzo, and owens?

>>216209934
After season 2 right?

Why did Vecna stop using the roots?

>lucas doing the "IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY FRIEND YOU'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH ME" intimidation
>he's not bigger or taller than the bullies
That shit only works if you look like you'll be able to lay them out.

>>216209896
>He unironically is the best actor of the kids.
Finn is/was the best, Dustin was a close 2nd for me.
Lucas and Will were both very corny in the first 2 seasons no matter how serious a scene was supposed to be, Lucas got it figured out when they had him become a chad, Will just got more emo.

Stranger Things: Across the Strangerverse

>>216209952
>argyle
jonathan's stoner friend from S4 in california who delivered pizzas
>enzo
hopper's russian friend from S4
>owens
that nice doctor who helped hopper forge a birth certificate for eleven

>>216209964
He has been... uprooted :D

>>216209985
>>enzo
>hopper's russian friend from S4
Wait so they brought him to the endz to let him live the American dream? When did this nigga learn to cook? Assuming Enzo is Enzos owner

>>216209964
His body is made of the roots now.

>>216209978
Finn is easily the worst out of the main group, which is a shame because he was really good in the first 2 seasons. But starting in S3 it feels like he just completely forgot how to act

>>216209955
3rd and only because that last 20 minutes and th Wheeler home invasion. which says a lot for ST general quality

>5 minutes in and it’s already directors barely disguised fetish

>Quarantine a city
>Make the people who live there just keep pretending to live normal lives
why not just bomb it like Raccoon City, are they stupid?

>>216210075
Nobody hot enough to be the strangerverses Leon Kennedy

>parents nearly mauled to death by a monster
>sister abducted by said monster
>mike just looks annoyed by this

>>216209970
he's black

>Sarah Connor pulls her face mask off with bloody gloves
>Puts it back on

>>216210006
I don't think Russian Enzo is the owner of Enzo it's just a generic fancy restaurant that happens to share the same name.

Did it really need another set of extra kids storyline? Makes it feel so disjointed.

>>216210075
What, they put some metal plates over the several miles of satan's asscrack that appeared, it's fine.
Back to normal life citizen, please do not try to leave or ask questions.

>>216210106
he's got the 'tism

>>216210127
Nah, because Enzo Enzo outfit funko pop + licenced cosplay
Think about merch before you open your mouth lil bro