OFFICIAL discussion thread for Avatar 3. Remember to use spoiler tags! STATE MANDATED CAT WIVES NOW edition
Previous thread if anyone gives a shit>>216750374
>>216757111Checked. He did doggystyle with the demon
Predictions for the plot for 4 and 5? Will Quaritch come back?
You just know there's at least one dude in the fire tribe who really wanted to fuck Varang and was simping extra hard all day every day. And then this sky person dude shows up and gets to fuck her within half an hour and becomes her mate and co-leader of the tribe and starts ordering you around.
>>216757111>Quaritch fell for thisHuman men are so pathetic
>>216757242Kek, nice pic. Yep, exactly like what happened witb Tsu'tey. He's betrothed to Neytiri then oops, white guy came and swept her off her feet and they're mated for life before you know it
Just realised how much Lo'ak's arc perfectly follows Jake's own and I kneel before Cameron>Seen as the lesser version of his older brother>His brother dies and he is made to shoulder the burden of having to live up to everyone's expectations as the replacement>He struggles to fit in with his clan and people, seen as an outsider>His outcast status leads to him taming a fierce creature and bonding with it when nobody else could, which turns the tide of battle against the RDA>Though his tribe distrusts him, a qt princess sees his hidden quality and supports him, convincing her family to give him a chance>He proves himself worthy and is accepted by his family and clan
>>216756766Do you understand how clones are made? The are just human’s with corrupted dna to have the phenotypes of Navi. You can’t make life out of nothing. Even Aywa has to recycle every living creature that dies into something new.
need insane blue pussy
>>216757343>yfw she hits you with that white nose powder
Warhammer lost
>Quaritch chews Jake out for going native after getting some blue pussy>proceeds to go native after getting some blue pussy
Man, did she take the audiences by storm
>>216757454To be fair he was still fighting on the side of the humans until the very end.
>>216757242Literally happens all the time IRL. Very sad to see.
>>216757454Quaritch tried to save the day for the general even after she mocked him in front of everyone important at Bridgehead.
>>216757454>"I'm not saying you should've done it, Sully...but I understand."
How much more money would this movie have made if we got to see more Bloobs?The preggo swollen blooba was pretty nice. Lots of under bloob and side bloob
>>216754372>>216755728>I would do anything for VarangAnything? That you'd bathe yourself in oil like Denethor from LOTR, let Varang engulf you in flames with a fire arrow like a worthless peon or a chess piece to be removed to further her sick twisted ploys, and kamikaze headlong for an enemy ship just so she can snort at how pathetic you are? Just so the White man Quaritch, and ultimately not you, could pound senselessly her cat hole and make litters of half-breed children to the point it's enough to sustain the significant Mangkwan losses? While smoke slithers your charred corpse, which serves as nothing but as carrion for predatory birds to maintain the Pandoran life cycle as the Great Mother Eywa intended, next to the mountains of mangled corpses of other pitiful simps alike yourselves?Why are simps like this?
>>216757428Lesson number one: never get high off Varang's supply.
>>216757565I'm pretty sure they blatantly show Neytiri's breasts from the side in the scene where she is getting her bandage replaced.
>>216757587I believe you are correct, but I want more.
>pinches his nose and sniffs very loudly>seems very fidgetyDamn Parker I didn't know you were cool like that.
>>216757464It was nearly a catastrophe...
>>216757728He definitely looks more gaunt than he was in 1. His chairman daddy probably gave him a good spanking back home.
The flying fish can't just fly up like a bird, it can only glide across the surface of the water. WHY DID IT START FLYING LIKE A BIRD, WHAT THE FUCK???
Just watched the movie - pretty good, Quaritch and Varang were the best part and I hope they have some kinda happy ending together. It's a pretty cold take, but I don't like Spider and his storyline, the whole character feels like the typical annoying kid character despite of him being too old for that and every time he is on screen you just want the movie to get back to the other more interesting characters. The whole fungi thing also throws up some weird questions about the world - Is world really organically interconnected or does the real original nature of the planet just suffer from a horrific fungi infection? Also did kinda a double take at the end where they meet with the dead and they are happily like>Now you are one of us and will be with Eywa forever....is that good thing?Beyond that, also not a huge fan of the whales being a focus again, so the final stakes and battle were somewhat similar to the last movie. I honestly wouldn't have minded if just made up a new crazy discovery somewhere else, that is even more valuable (like in the ash lands by the volcano). But it was cool that Jake got Toruk again. I hoped those predator-cat like aliens from the first movie would also join in. Finally, they could make an entire horror movie about those squid things, the way they dragged themselves across the ship to search for humans... (also again, so whatever Eywa is can just remote control animals? ...Are the Navi immune to that? Do they get influenced the whole time in some way?).
>>216757207Absolutely. After a time jump kiri will lead the story. Might be made tsahik in ronal’s absence. Quarich will still be with varang but he may or may not stay allies with the humans. Thinking they’ll do a Vader with him.
Kinda wish we got more Tonawari. He’s a massive fucking bro that should have honestly never let the Sullys into his tribe but is too good of a dude to turn away a family in need. So bizarre that he loses his wife and son and we get zero follow up. Instead we focus on fucking spider being accepted despite the fact that 90% of what goes wrong in these movies are because of him.
>>216757910They can fly outside of water for a bit plus there was a very strong updraft inside the flux devil.
>>216757925The fungus and the immortality whale juice are both really absurd when you consider the Human faction has mastered genetic replication. They should be able to synthesize both from its genetics alone. Both of the "we gotta hunt the whales to extinction" and "we gotta kidnap this kid" plotlines fall flat just by the basic premise of "we replicated this alien species' biology and are now piloting them around".
>>216758027Just because they have mastered gene manipulation with human genes doesn't mean they can do that with the genes of other species, let alone alien species.
>>216758097But they did in the very first movie. Genes just code for proteins which then result in biological chemistry. It may not be instantaneous, but once you have the whale's DNA for example you have the machinery that produces the immortality juice right there. It's not magic.If you can replicate the smurf's biology, you can replicate everything else. The end goal isn't to produce a whale clone (you can), it's just to replicate the biology that makes the immortality juice. It's actually LESS rare and valuable than the unobtanium.
Eywa should just intervene via forced evolution such that when a Tulkun dies it triggers the release of a hormone that neutralized amrita in the body.
>>216758122Actually I remember an interview where Cameron said humans can't synthesize it and we will find out why. Fucking liar. Either they cut that scene or it was meant for a later movie.
>>216758158He was just bullshitting after the fact. The reality is it's a plot hole, and the whole thing is to wag a finger at whaling which is already illegal in the vast majority of countries. And Japan will never give it up for the same reason Alaskan natives won't - they whale for food, not oil.
For how these movies are based on the deep bond to all living things the Na'vi have and what a big deal they made out of bonding just with one of the wyverns in the previous movies, they sure degraded all the "basic mounts" down to>Mine died, oh well, let me just summon a new one.I think the only who showed any actual care for her wyvern was Neytiri in the final battle. Jake didn't even care about what was going on with Toruk after they fell.
>>216758209I noticed this as well. The whole thing is an environmentalist isekai that reveals what they truly care about: an ecology that serves their interests and theirs alone.
>>216757111why the fuck does Kiri te Suli Kìreysì'ite, a teenage Na'vi girl, have the voice of a fucking 76 year old woman. why the fuck did the cast a 76 year old woman to voice a 'teenager'.
>>216758233Meanwhile Varang's wyvern is still fine by the end of the movie. Not a good look for the blue side.
>>216757494It's very unrealistic that they just get away with it in a primitive tribe without anything bad happening. In ancient times the failed mate would probably just attack and try to steal her back. You'd probably have to leave your tribe to avoid any consequences but your life is basically over anyways and you're going to have to leave and take a female from somewhere either way.
We get two new tribes introduced and half the movie is water tribe rehash.
>>216758209Kiri cared about hers and hugged it. Jake cared, but wasn't in any kind of condition to go back and check on Toruk, who was fine and still fighting anyway. No one cares about the Ilus. They still care about the Tulkuns and those bond stronger.
I don't care that the final act is a remake of Way Of Water. I'm only mad that we got cucked out of seeing a volcano destruction flashback sequence. That was literally about 40% of my hype for the whole film. The skypeople landing in the forest was the best scene in Way Of Water and I was fully expecting another scene showing that level of calamity, but instead all we saw of the volcano was this one 3-second shot. FFS Cameron I wanted 3D pyroclastic flows.
>>216758408same. I was definitely expecting more ash wasteland exploration and fighting
>>216758360You can't do much more with the Ash people until there's a timeskip. The wind traders said they don't want to take sides. It's not like they want to join in the final battle when they're so vulnerable.
>>216758467So then do a timeskip.
>>216758408The fire tribe is also a disappointment. The only 'fire' theme they have going on is they are raiders and use fire weapons, and their home got wrecked by a volcano. They're not inventive or possessing any positive qualities of fire, they're just "evil" with a throwaway justification.
>>216758290Because Cameron enjoys working with her, simple as
>deliberate shot of Quarich going barefoot like the first time we see him, signalling the heel turn>he's still team human by the end>blueballed for another 4 years
>>216758515I am sick of that trend that villains aren't allowed to be straight-up evil monster. There always has to be some tragic or sympathetic backstory or deeper reason for their actions or whatever that would make us in some way still like them. Fuck that. I am glad we finally have a bad side that are just cannibalistic, raiding assholes.
I like how Lo’ak feels so responsible for his brothers death he was going to eat a bullet meanwhile Spyder is directly fucking responsible and not once does he show remorse for walking Quaritch through Na’vi 101 and leading to every single subsequent death
>>216758571"Positive" in this case doesn't necessarily mean "hidden good quality", it means "pro-adaptive". If you're going to do elemental theming, then fucking do it. "Oh wow, the fire tribe is inventive, that makes for a sinister villain and that explains why they are so interested in guns". Instead they like guns because they're a bunch of niggers with zero positive qualities.
>>216758497That's coming next movie, doofus
>>216758515They are not and never were the fire tribe. They are Ash tribe. They still did plenty with fire. It's not an actual comic book movie for children that you're seeking
>>216758587So they behave like a primitive society? Who would have thought...
>>216758350Your life wouldn't be over. You'd just have to settle for a lower-status wife. Attacking him would be a stupid move if he's already won her over like in this movie. None of those tribesmen could offer anything close to the value Quaritch brought to her.
>>216758621Primitive societies can in fact be very smart.
>>216758637And also very ruthless and violent and power hungry.
>>216758587The brainlet take is wanting neatly segmented elemental tribes like some kind of fucking video game. The “Fire” people that worship a destructive element having a barebones and surface level faction over the ones that actually live in commune with nature makes perfect sense.
>>216758661>we shouldn't have interesting villains that threaten the protagonists, the protagonists should be magic space hippies who always win
I really thought Jake had a good chance of dying in this one on account of the son doing the narration
>>216758661The fire people should have rejected the noble savage hippie bullshit and started to industrialize
Why did no one figure out and confront Spider over his saving Quaritch, which was a major betrayal of the family?They even had the perfect potential setup for it, when they're diving to the ship at the beginning. Someone could have noticed that Quaritch's body was missing there. But no, that just completely get a pass now?
>>216758705They literally did. Did you miss their embrace of guns and then starting to live in the human city?
>>216758722Spider is painfully James Cameron and for as much as he works he’s also one of the most glaring weaknesses in these movies.
>>216758722Oh damn that's right. I wonder if that will be a point later on. If Neytiri finds out she will take the nice things back and kill him lol
>>216757587yeah there was nip action there
>>216758687I thought he was a total goner the way he spent most of the movie either being depressed or captured by the RDA and being progressively more injured as the action went on, also the way Lo'ak started to become a more capable successor to him. But I am glad they don't get rid of him, and how they don't cling to him as the main protagonist. I like that he can remain a core of the franchise but he doesn't have to behave in a generic "protagonist-y" role as he becomes more of a supportive figure for the younger characters. The stuff they do with him and Spider, or him and Neytiri, make him feel much more flawed and deep as a character compared to the first 2 films.
>>216758767Not now that Jake has also let Quaritch go.
How many times is this thread going to be spammed until it gets banished to /trash/ next to Al*ta where it belongs?
>>216757111uhhh wheres the cultural impact?
>>216758571>I am sick of that trend that villains aren't allowed to be straight-up evil monster.when the fuck did this happen?? everything I see has some comically retarded/evil villain. it'd be actually good if they were sincere on the "villain" side if they wanted to have ACTUAL sympathy. why the fuck would you wanna go back to cartoonish evil grinning boring garbage
>>216758810two more weeks, chud.
>>216758467They should've went hard with the wind traders anyway, instead of only using them to introduce the ash people. Now that I think about it, with how much they went into the tribes the previous movies were about, there was actually surprisingly little about the ash people - like how they spend their days and what culture they have going on besides Varang's shaman stuff. They didn't even get a cool unique animal to them.
>>216758902Eywa didn't save them so they decided to don their fedoras and act like niggers. That's pretty much it.
Loved the movie, but im still worried a bit about the box office
>>216757111I know real niggas don't cryBut this movie hit my feelings
>>216758705Kinda surprised with how the whole >rejection of metalwas a theme, that the ash tribe didn't have full-on blacksmithing going on, making barbed arrow heads and stuff like that.
>>216758705based immortal african woman
>>216757295I'd impregnate her every year for the next 10 years.
>>216758571They ash tribe went around behaving like murdering niggers and scalping
>>216758975The animals standing up for themselves had me bawling
I really liked the effect of those energy tendrils. Reminded me of those plasma balls you can touch and play with. Goated how that huge ship got pulled into the flux and came apart in a huge fireball.
>>216758979Hell, isn't that their home tree and everything around was turned into an ashen wasteland the perfect setup for them just using their own unobtanium deposits?
what’s next for her?
>>216759086I saw Paiakan’s sister revealing herself to the council coming from miles away and it still got me
>>216759088Wait is the ship's name Landau?? As in Jon Landau, long time producer partner of Cameron who died last year?
>>216759125Porn
>>216759125drug overdose
>>216759136>when the based water bro stops translating mid-sentence because it's too much for him
>>216759088Only made it kinda silly when Jake and Quaritch fall down in it and are right next to it with their guns and only when they try to use them they get mildly yoinked away.
Everyone’s obsessed with Varang meanwhile I fell deeper in love with Neytiri in this. My bluefu got so much more to do in this one and the attitude was off the charts.
>>216759257Varang mogged her though.
>>216759257>yells at you to stop milking it, just deliver your child and die already
>>216759199I could never dislike these movies because of how much Cameron commits to a silver age sentimentality. It’s too earnest not to fall for it and is like a vaccine to irony poisoned Marvel-shit
>>216759359I agree. People ask "why does James Cameron spend 20 years of his career on these movies when he's so talented and rich he could do anything?" when this shit has been exactly what he has wanted all along. This is what Terminator, Aliens, Titanic etc. was for.
Bit odd how Garvin just disappears as soon as Spider shows up and starts human shielding. They don't show him die, or getting caught, or escaping, or anything
>>216757323Yeah is pretty much the same for neytiri as the younger sister and the fierce creature being a human
I thought Pandoran air was deadly to humans because of the higher methane. Wouldn't they just need air filters rather than oxygen tanks?
DOLBY CHAD here reminding you not to watch in imax
>>216759588It's deadly because of much higher carbon dioxide. They don't use oxygen tanks, what gets used up are the batteries needed to power the filters
>>216759588According to the books it's because of hydrogen sulfide in Pandoran air that they need masks. But in real life that kind of atmosphere would also be bad for your skin and eyes and all that. Well I guess it depends on the concentration. I dunno.
>>216758979the magnetic field/flux things fucks with metal. it's why the navi doesn't use it
>>216757323Hack writing
Anyone have a webm of this?
>>216757542Can anyone fix the text at the topReally hard to read
>>216757569The best part is Varang is completely disgusted by people like this
I liked the idea of and would have preferred the bullshit "leaked plot" where the movie ends with the humans on Pandora declaring independence from Earth. Setting up a future scenario where different factions of humans are fighting each other. Instead the real ending is kind of like Way of Water's, where the humans merely lost some hardware and otherwise there's no real change to the status quo
>>216759619too late. the random switching between frame rates was annoying though, at least in 3d
I must have zoned out during the finale. What happened to the fire chick? Did she die?
>>216759785I mean everyone in leadership on the human side is dead nowI wouldn't be surprised if the two sequels have RDA decide the colony just isn't worth it and it's now entirely Navi versus Navi
I kinda just accept it because narratively she’s an anomaly anyway but I think a bigger reason why Kiri comes off so uncanny is that Sigourney Weaver can’t pull off the Na’vi accent. She’s just trying to do a younger version of her own voice where when you listen to Neteyam or Lo’ak they’re clearly given some vocal direction
>>216759835Kiri connected to her with her tail and the demonic imagery scared the hell out of her and she booked itShe and Quarritch will be back
>>216759848I like Kiri a lot but Weaver almost ruins her entirelyDon't castba 70 year old as a 14 year old
>>216757454One Battle After Another but good.
>>216759841Did General Ardmore die? If so, I missed it. I thought the last we saw of her was when she told them to abandon ship
Rewatched Way of Water today in preparation >sullys are crying over the still warm body of Neteyam >spider rolls up after having just saved the man who killed himI fucking hate this kid. Please tell me something bad happens to him in F&A or there’s at least SOME consequence
>>216759749She is so beautiful. Oh my God.
>>216759841>decide the colony just isn't worth itThat's not an option. As it stands, if humans don't colonize Pandora then they go extinct.
>>216759915Iirc she was on the ship when the windows were getting crushed in
The fact that /tv/ loves Avatar and Reddit hates it makes me weirdly happy
>>216759925Spider experiences severe trauma and near-deaths multiple times, but there's nothing directly punishing him for the choice he made at the end of Way of Water. Technically Quaritch didn't kill Neteyam, it was Wainfleet who shot him
>>216759915I thought that was odd that they didn't make it CLEAR she blew up with the shipI think it was like a chaos scene and she was still on the bridge or something, when the ship rapidly blew up(?) am I remembering that right?or is there a possibility she got to an escape pod? did they establish they have escape pods? how exactly do they "abandon ship" on the big floating ship???
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This might be looking too closely at something I’m just supposed to take as like spiritual shit but how does dying and going back to Eywa work? Neteyam asks how he dies so is the you that goes to Na’vi heaven based on when you last connected to the spirit tree like a file backup? Like would Kiri have been fucked because her seizures meant she wasn’t allowed to connect for a long ass time?
>>216760014Damn only $1.8B instead of $2.2B might as well shelve it and try to make Fantastic Four work again
>>216760030Yes I think it's exactly like a backup, I think that your consciousness gets "dumped" to Eywa when you connect and you're still alive in the spirit world and don't remember anything between when you last connected and when you died
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>>216758350They mate for life so I think if someone steals your girl you're just completely fucked, there is no winning her back.
>>216760073What Fucking Losers
I watched a cam a few days ago, going to see it in Imax 3D tonight.
>>216760056Feel like there’s a lot of potential thematic depth there. Loved F&A but I think that’s been the biggest bummer. There’s still a ton of untapped elements to this universe and it’s not like I need the entire lore dump right away but F&A felt like it really drilled down into the characters but gave us a lot less worldbuilding this time.
>>216760111Eywa??
>>216757111how many fucking times are they going to have Quaritch and Jake fight over the dreadlocks kid only to work together.
>>216760167I'm fine with that, we've got two more moviesIf the series ends and they didn't get into stuff more then I'll be annoyed
>>216760013>I thought that was odd that they didn't make it CLEAR she blew up with the shipShe was inside the control room when ship got pulled up and exploded violently.
>>216757111I liked the frolicking at the end. Was cute.
>>216757947Both him and his clan disappear at the end like in 2. Bravo Jim.
>>216759991Avatar is a coomer movie. All the characters are naked and many are children.
>>216759925He gets a kiss from his cat gf and grows a head tentacle to connect with her and the rest of the cats
>>216760216With Spider growing that neural link out of nowhere it's fair to think that all pandora fauna didn't have one originally
>>216760367Jim has gotta have something big planned because I feel like the Spider shit, Kiri going “Kill them all” murder goddess mode and the “actually not all Na’vi are good” turn is mixing up some of the core themes and metaphors in a way that’s really making it hard to see how you land the plane with any consistency.
>>216760386Didn't even think about that, God damnEywa as an alien colonizer is such a good idea
Kiri will end up being an actual goddess and simply will into existence creatures so powerful that the humans will never be able to return. She will create kaijus and elementals that will make Godzilla look like a plushie.
>>216760013>>216760225why did she even stay? she told everyone else to abandon ship
>>216760549She is old-school.
varang is bald
Kiri is the fairy Queen and will bring technology (space magic) back to the Naʼvi, they will go into the DEEP ocean in 4
Quaritch being able to speak Navi all of a sudden felt like an ass pull
>>216760216>>216760386>>216760432Eywa was seeded there by the aliens from The Abyss.
>>216760654It’s set up in WoW. He tells his squad they have to think and talk like the Na’vi and we see Spider teaching at one point.
>>216760654He already spoke it in the previous film.
>>216760654Time passes in the movie, it's set over months, so he probably learned it.That's why it was showing various healing stages of Neytiri's wound, to signify that time was passing
>>216757454>but he wore warpaint with his plate carrier!>the military nag woman who does everything wrong didn't like it!The man is a student of history and the firebenders love that lil nigga like you wouldn't believe. Remember that 5 minutes prior he cucked them out of killing the water village, but instead of disobeying or resenting the choice to just take Jake they're celebrating their side's victory.
>>216760713>, it's set over months,Thats the thing, learning to be ffluent all of a sudden in alien language in few months is bullshit
WHAT DA FUCK DO YOU MEAN WE MIGHT NOT GET AVATAR 4 AND 5 EVEN IF THIS CROSSES A BILLION
>>216760743I'm sure we will, but I do know James Cameron is slightly demotivated since a good friend of his was the producer and was a big part of the passion
>>216760728They’re obviously going for a “he’s gone native” arc to parallel Jake but it’s also pretty easy to understand a logical argument for why he likes the Ash people. It’s shown time and time again at this point that the humans just aren’t capable of beating the cats. He’s now found a tribe of his own that he can control but with superior firepower and it visibly works as he fucking wrecks the entire flying force that Jake had amassed from all the tribes. I feel like more than finally “seeing” Pandora his arc might go the route of finally seeing how weak and useless humans actually are and he tried to become a Toruk Makto type of figure
>>216760549>captain goes down with their ship >career also gigafucked >character conveniently shunted out of way for Quaritch to be military commander again in movie4 because he's the companies top guy/no one new is going to arrive in theater for 10+ years to relieve him of command
I was one of those people that thought the first movie was overrated and wasn't excited for Way of Water. I was actually impressed by how much Way of Water surpassed my expectations and actually got me invested in where the series was going to go next.What the fuck was this movie? The dialogue was total ass and the movie didn't even look good. The first two movies made everything look like it belonged in the world, while this one looks like a straight up video game cutscene. Also, Jake is a fucking psycho in this driving his son to suicide and attempting to murder Spider. The fuck?
>>216760887Plus Selfridge actually took Quarritch's side against Ardmore, he is going to be the next general.
>things run well for over a year>recom Quaritch arrives on Pandora>...a few weeks later...>half of Bridgehead City is destroyed, entire whaling infrastructure plus dozens of aircraft plus dozens if not hundreds of men plus general are goneMuh hostages!
>>216760743Way of Water grossed $2.3 billion but only made a profit of about $500 million.So if Fire and Ash has a big enough drop-off, its gross might look successful enough on paper while actually losing money
>>216760991That year basically seemed to just be trying to set things up, as soon as they tried to fight against the Navi they were fucked
>>216760654>>216760689>>216760708>>216760713>>216760737he land his team of recoms literally learn it on the spaceship en route to pandora which is like, 6-7 light years away from earth sounds like plenty of time to me
>>216760881It'll be more ironic if he becomes the integrationist who succeeds the initial (movie1) mission of establishing normalized relations with the alien population. Cameron is kind of stuck writing the logical conclusions of the pieces he has at play (outside deus ex machina aewa asspulls) which now is human avatars and their apache scouts. Because he's literally doing what the initial mission Jake ignored was, successfully, now that he's found a tribe/counterculture that isn't hardwired by a fungal superorganism to zerg endlessly into machineguns. Him being the only (human) defender of the Naavi by the end and arguing for their place and rights in terran pandora is a complete arc from wanting to kill them over all the massacres the PMC had to see in the opening exploration. And it's one of the few series ends that can even work (even especially if it fails)
>>216760737Spoken like someone who's never lived in a foreign country and learned the language.
Rewatched Way of Water after seeing F&A to see if any of the complaints held water and I actually think Fire & Ash for all its flaws is still easily the better film. There’s way more going on here both just as an action movie but also character wise. Because WoW has to basically set up an entire new paradigm for things going forward a lot of the movie is just establishing the rules of the world through the lens of the kids. But little actually happens, Jake and Neytiri go pretty sidelined and even the eventual conflict feels a bit scaled down because it’s just a whaling operation. Jim still shoots the hell out of it so it feels bigger and more impressive than a world ending threat in any other blockbuster but still in retrospect WoW really doesn’t move the needle a lot. Not to mention how much of the runtime is just water effect wank, which don’t get me wrong I still love.Meanwhile Fire & Ash immediately hits the ground running there’s a lot more action and the threats and skirmishes feel important. The character drama is also all framed by Neteyam’s death and the threat Spider’s existence presents and so the internal conflicts feel more immediate and impactful as well compared to WoW being more about “We don’t fit in.” I just kinda struggle to think of what WoW does better that isn’t done bigger and with more depth in F&A
>>216761170Go to China and speak their language fluently in few months, I call bullshit. You wouldn't even be able to speak more than a few standard phrases
>>216761018Pandora orbits Alpha Centauri A which is 4.3 light years away. It's one of the things that's a bit unbelievable about this universe, he put Pandora around the closest star that's visible to the naked eye, I guess to avoid invoking FTL. So our absolute closest interstellar neighbor, the first place we're able to go and look, just happens to have a world with a rich biosphere and sentient humanoids...
>>216761144This is the kinda shit people miss in this series when they say every movie is just rehashing the same thing. Like with George, the people don’t understand pottery
>>216761210could be setting up some ancient aliens/shared ancestor story
>>216761208People can definitely progress from A1/2 to C1 in under 6 months total immersion. It's not unrealistic at all, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, feller. Better to just drop it before you make this point to someone in real life conversation and make yourself look like a total idiot
>>216761210Will Sully uncover the secrets of the Trisolarans and the Pluribus?
>Neytiri admitted to being racist against humans while she was injured from a life-threatening wound inflicted by a member of her own species.It was foolish of Jake not to mention it in order to win the argument.
I just want to see the humans take a win, is that so much to ask for?
>>216761210That's an essential part of the story to deliver the thematic warning against what Cameron doesn't want human behaviour to become. He wants us to find balance with nature and conserve life with compassion. This message would be lost if the humans in the movie were a multi-system species many hundreds of years in the future. They would be too far removed from modern humans for us to easily relate. Alpha Centauri A will be the first other star humanity reach, the message of Avatar needs to be ingrained in us for that first one, right out the gate. If we're being very optimistic on the timescale, the Avatar films would not have been lost to the annals of history by the time the journey becomes possible, meaning future humans will reference them and their eternal themes.Basically, locating Pandora in Alpha Centauri is one of the biggest contributing factors that makes Avatar the most important films of the 21st century.
>>216761248The smurfs were the original inhabitants of both planets, eventually splitting into pink smurfs and cat smurfs. Gargamel tried to prevent this calamity.
Ikeyni!
The battles in this movie and the previous one were awful. I don't know why, at the end of both battles, all the characters except the main ones disappear and everyone stops fighting. This is especially noticeable with the water tribe chief, who simply vanishes and reappears at the end, when everything is over.
the nose of the eywa baby thing didnt have the bridge of a navi but one of a human
>>216761375He wasn't trying to win the argument he was trying to understand his wife
>>216761406The humans in this movie are evil bug eating pod living demons and I want to see them suffer for surrending to the apocalyptic Earth they made
>>216761435Feel like you could deliver that same message *and* not make it so interstellar explorers won the jackpot on their very first try. Why not make it so Pandora is instead like 3 solar systems away? Where humans first explored a couple other closer ones and didn't find much of value in them
>>216761441>Gargamel
>>216761680and thats what no one else did that made all the difference
>>216761697Kek I love you
>>216761636I posted in the other thread, but did anyone think of 2001: A Space Odyssey with that Eywa woman?
>>216759925eywa doesn't seem to deep dive everyone that links to her.
>"Beers are on me">beers are all VBshe deserved what the space whale did to him
>>216761693What are we doing here, Anon? How does Pandora being just a bit further away make it more believable? Compared to the number of solar systems in the galaxy, 3 is nothing. If we searched 100 empty solar systems before we found Pandora, that would still mean that there were billions of Pandora-like planets in our galaxy. It makes it more interesting that literally the very first one is a biodiversity paradise with sentient life, because that implies the universe is absolutely teeming with life. Which, by the way, for all we know in 2025 could be true (we literally know that little). Therefore, in a universe teeming with life, the themes of the movie are even more prominent.1: extraterrestrial life not being rare would incentivize humanity to disrespect it, treating it like an infinite resource to be exploited. (Changing the mcguffin from mined unobtainium to biologically harvested amrita was a genius move to support this theme)2: Humans should remember to be humble and check their dick-swinging, (Cameron is a feminist after all) not solely for compassion to aliens, but out of self-preservation before they get their shit rocked by the next aliens they encounter (there's always a bigger fish)
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>>216762076>no boob squish from the bondage harness not screen accurate
Why was the framerate constantly switching from 60 to 24 to 60 to 24 so often, multiple times within the same scenes
>>216757542It took a lot of strength to not burst out laughing in the theater when that motherfucker showed up with face paintSo much strength
>>216757242 >"shoot that guy"
Did the Navi zoomer with the bussin' hair die?
years ago I saw a video of the clip of the hometree assault but with the apocalypse now audio but now I can't find it
>>216757111this picture looks like a video game. It doesn't register as realistic to me.
>>216757111
>>216761258An intensive immersion school, possibly. not simply living in a foreign country and "taking it all in"
>>216762402Yes, it was kind of hilarious how quickly it happens and is never brought up again.
>>216762499This should have been the OP picture. Legendary shot.
>>216760190kek
>>216762714Zoomers are terrified of sex because they've seen the nastiest shit in full hd since the age of 8 on their tablets.
I'm sure there are lots of deleted scenes
https://youtu.be/iSN1L4fKScQ?t=87
I want to see it in Dolby for the brighter image but I hated the frame switching in TWOW. Imax wasn't nearly as bad, at least the one I went to.
>>216757971Why did nobody bother explaining the giant death tornado sucking everything up? Why does that just happen?
>>216757438I was a child when the first one came out, and didn't understand sexual attraction so I just thought Jake betrayed humanity and couldn't understand his motivations.I didn't watch Avatar 2 until last year thinking I would hate it, watched it and loved it, then went back to Avatar 1 and understood it.I talked shit about the series irl and on various websites.
>>216763311>>>216757438>I was a child when the first one came outWhy are you doing this to me? I almost forgot that the zoomers born in 2006 will be 20 next year
>>216763339It's been 16 years since Avatar 1.
>>216760073Ohh seriously? Some guy asked me during the credits if he missed that trailer by arriving late but I had no idea what he was talking about.
I hope they'll introduce another new tribe in the next one. There's supposedly over 15 in pandora. Make some real demons.Or have new ayylmao villains invade
>>216762208I found it very distracting desu, at least in part 2 I could understand the creative decision behind this (hfr for dyamic scenes and vistas, 24 for regular scenes).Also some 24 fps scenes were clearly made out of 48fps by removing every second frame, judging by the shorter exposure times of the remaining ones that made the whole motion choppy
>>216757947I liked the body movements and the little gestures he did when him and his tribe were communicating with the elder Tulkuns. And yes. It's a shame he was memory-holed in the final battle after he slaughtered an entire crew on a patrol boat like Wainfleet. Tonowari's easily the best part of the Metkayina Clan.
>>216758209I mean, people love their horses, or K9s, or whatever, but that doesn't mean you don't replace it if they die.
What's your favorite moment from each of the 3 films?
>>216758209You can't think about the people dying around you when you're in the middle of the battlefield you idiot. That's how you die, standing there in shock and someone comes to kill you.You grieve after.
>>216763752Seeing Varang's kinky sex/drug tent
>>216763752Okay, yeah, colors were definitely fucked in my theater. None of the scenes in the movie had bright colors like that, it was all washed out muddy grey.
Guys.https://www.reddit.com/r/Avatar/comments/1pryaex/varang_cosplay_by_me/
>>216763829My cinema got a new laser projector for the big screen, that thing rules.
>>216763729Oh, and I forgot about Payakan. Tonowari and Payakan really carry the water tribe.
>>216763832That sub has a fun time at the moment.
>>216763752I liked the whale council in this one, they're retarded, but the ripple effects were coolI was somewhat expecting them to shout so loud to pop the whaler's head at the end
>>216757111https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=varangMake some better pornThx
>>216758626Depends on the size of the tribe. They look pretty tiny in Avatar.
>>216763846I'll have to look into this, there definitely have to be better spec'd ones around here. My options were limited because I wanted to see the original, but now that's out of the way I can settle for local slav dubbing if the image quality is better.
Neyney scary :|
>>216757300Tsu'tey had a better backstory, if you consider the stuff that's not in the movie:he was previously engaged and in mutual love with neytiri's sister before she got killed by the RDA, so he had to be arranged with neytiri instead for the purpose of clan dynamics but he was always still in love with her sister in the spirit world.
Sorry but this was the best one since jimbo gave 0 shits and went back to his 80’s energy
>>216762107Yes it does dummy
Hey anons, somebody requested a webm of this scene yesterday, so here it is >>216764160
>>216764140>jimbo gave 0 shitsthat's the movie's greatest quality and also its greatest flawthe redundancy with the second movie is bold yes, but also retarded, surely there were better ways to use the budget and spread the scenes
>>216764172Why do people dislike this movie again?
>>216758553Quaritch was already going barefoot in the previous movie though, Ardmore gave him a funny look about it
>>216764236Not enough Varang pussy imo
>>216764001>when she snarls at the soldiers trying to hit on herNeytiri's so hot.
Page 7 bump
>>216765295It already has
>>216765321has it?
>>216765465Hasn't it?
>>216765490i dont know
>>216762714>useless sex scenesit's me, i'm the guy who uses them.i jerk off to them.
>>216760013>how exactly do they "abandon ship" on the big floating ship???Either swim away, or get in one of those dumb crab bots.
>>216760743Aren't they already halfway through production on 4?
>>2167600132nd movie showed inflatable rafts so probably one of those
>>216760927>while this one looks like a straight up video game cutsceneOnly in the spirit world. Scenes there look blurry, have too much bloom, and seem like a slightly poorer quality fake. it is a logical way to distinguish them (blurry flashbacks and dream sequences are a trope for a reason).Starting the movie in that world is certainly a risk, when it comes to first impressions, but how much does that matter when the audience is going to be there for 3 more hours.
>>216760743not supposed to talk about the stuff but i have a friend who is an extra in the last 2 films, he said they were doing lotr filming style where they basically filmed enough for a few movies in one go instead of having to split it up and re-work everyones schedules and all the delays and bullshit. just film it and release it in parts.idk if they have 5 but it sounded like they already had 4 filmed at the same time as 3
>I HATE THEIR SMALL PINK HANDS WITH THEIR FIVE PINK FINGERS AND I WISH THEY DIE DIE DIEwhat did she mean by this
not gonna lie if I was quaritch I also would
>>216760013They specifically showed lifeboats escaping. It was even one of those standard ones
>>216763832>lipo bellyLol
>>216766216>>lipo bellyshe works out dumbfuck
>>216760386I kinda thpught it was just parellel evolution like how pretty much everything on earth has eyeballs that work more or less the same way
Jim showed a side view of Neytiri's bare tit with nipple, that was nice
>>216760927>while this one looks like a straight up video game cutsceneisn't that because it was 60fps? I agree, some it straight up looked like the Avatar game
>>216763832Tits too big.
>>216766032she has pretty good reasons
Avatar is giving me a fetish for women with tribal markings
Tukbros, the next movie will be hours, for sure this time.
>>216766993Her actress is all grown up by now
It's weird I don't really find the Na'vi chicks attractive in any way but I genuinely like them and respect them as characters. This is basically the best example of "strong women" in a film franchise and it's all because none of it is in your face. They have their qualities and flaws and are treated like any other character instead of being put on a pedestal.
>>216763729Cucked from tribal leader to translator.
>>216766993Tuk will be 13 in avatar 4 and 5
>>216758122>but once you have the whale's DNA for example you have the machinery that produces the immortality juice right there. It's not magic.You need to be able to actually recreate and sustain said machinery. And in its natural environment (assuming you can successfully replicate that), it takes a very long time to get enough amrita.>If you can replicate the smurf's biology, you can replicate everything else.No, that doesn't follow. Being able to recombine two specific species does not mean you can replicate any particular animal, and then you also have to make sure that it thrives for the experiment to give you economic viability.>The end goal isn't to produce a whale clone (you can), it's just to replicate the biology that makes the immortality juice.You're assuming that the biology that makes the juice is just a standalone, modular machine, like the whale is a plane and the amrita glands are some sort of flight subsystem, but real world biology is much messier than this. Assuming you only clone the glands (which might very well be doable, who knows), you then need to sustain them in homeostasis and wait to see if, outside of their environment, they make amrita.
I will watch it tomorrow. I'm so hyped.
I still want Tom Sully recom as a villain (and Neyney's confusion at seeing two majakes)
>>216767088Bruh, they can just scale the model down.
>>216761195People who say WoW and second half of F&A are the same films forgot most of WoW beyond the fact that there was a battle at the end and the tulkun fought alongside the Na'vi. Almost everything else beyond that is different.
>>216762076Looks sick
I want to suck his cock so fucking bad.
>>216763832Too fat
>>216767313This is correct. In WoW, Loak had an entire character arc where he comes of age. F&A had no character development whatsoever.
>>216766993Tuk saved the day this movie! Without her help, Kiri and Spider wouldn't have been able to meet Eywa! Sullies stick together!
>>216767389>F&A had no character development whatsoever.wrong.
why can't evil women be this hot irl
>>216767411My favorite character development was when Jake Sully decides that murdering children is bad. You think he's going to murder a child, but he does a complete 180 and doesn't.
>>216767364Shut up faggot
>>216767188they can't have that, they didn't have the mind upload thingthey could mind upload jake into a new avatar, but it wouldn't achieve much, unless they did that exclusively to execute him publicly and run a cover up of his escape for propagandistic purposes
Spider really was the key to all this
>>216767438>they didn't have the mind upload thingthey could have had, wouldn't be out of place in these movies. They need more villains with actual motivation beyond being greedy
>>216767565>they could have hadif they could, then there was no reason to grab jake to pilot his avatarbesides tom was a scientist, not a soldier, so it wouldn't have been part of the recom program, unless augustine and norm were also in it and they choose to them back to unlock spider's fungal gimmick, in any case they wouldn't end up as active antagonists like quaritch
>>216767389lol shitposter. If anything Lo’aks entire arc is in F&A
>>216767664>if they could, then there was no reason to grab jake to pilot his avatarnot impossible to say that was an expedient solution and that they had only done the actual brain upload part while the part where they grow recom bodies wasn't perfected yet and for some reason it doesn't work for normal avatar bodies. They had the brain scanning and brain USB stick on the base in avatar 1 so the tech would exist.>besides tom was a scientist, not a soldier, so it wouldn't have been part of the recom programyes fair enough, but also there's nothing known about him other than him being a very good scientist. They could theoretically make him a hardcore proponent of human colonization at the expense of the na'vi. Throw in at the expense of corporate profit too to make him interesting.
>>216763832Bigger
>>216763032CoolFinished the Game but didn't play the DLCsGonna buy and play it again now with the new mode
>>216757542In some sense Quaritch is now the younger man; he is in a younger body and passion run hotter when you are young. Sully is like an elderly man past his prime. Their situations are reversed now.
>>216767517It's like poetry
AVATAR WON
>>216768094It didn't. It flopped.
>>216765295The scarification is so fucking hot
>>216768165We can't say for a monthAvatar's box office resembles a tsunami
Somebody post the nipple scene
>>216768244>Needs $1.3B just to break even per Screenrant>Projected domestic opening: $85MYikes
>>216768251how the fuck did they manage to convince Neytiri to cosplay?
>>216768300The opening of Avatar 2 had people entirely confident it was a flop too
>>216768314>Avatar: The Way of Water domestic opening: $134MThat's quite a bit more, plus people were hyped with speculation about how much better it might be after fifteen years of technological advancementThis one is just The Way of Water again with a palette swap. Who knows it might have legs but you should brace yourself for this to be a franchise-ending flop
>>216768433And Return of the King was just Two Towers with a palette swap. That's a stupid, brainlet criticism.
>>216768477Can't say I've ever heard someone say that The Two Towers and Return of the King are the same movie but I've seen the last two Avatars compared as being extremely similar about a dozen times just today
>>216768300>$1.3Bthat’s easy
>>216768542From what I hear there's a scene with Lo'ak getting attacked and then saved by Payakan that plays exactly the same in both movies, like they took a scene from Way of Water and accidentally included it in Fire and Ash
>>216768574it's squids and not a shark and he's also not alone. It's also like 2 minutes in a 3h 17m movie
>>216768555Not with that wet fart of an opening
>>216768595So you admit that it happens and is 100% the same scene and they edited it in by mistake? LMAO
>>216768657>is 100% the same scene and they edited it in by mistake? LMAOno, james is crazy enough to have remade an extremely similar scene all over again with a few cosmetic differences, it wasn't a mistakeit happens again and again in the second movie copying scenes from the first and in the third copying scenes from the first and secondjames just doesn't give a flying fuck or thinks it's poetic or something
>>216759991>no spider/kiri ponytail USB make-out sceneDROPPED
>>216759915She's going to be resurrected as a hot blue woman in avatar 4
>>216768597cope
>>216759915in my showing some guy yelled "EYY CARMELA" and everyone laughed
>>216759915what was the point of her character?why was a general deployed on a whaling mission but without proper military support?
>>216759915She'll be back with robot arms, and whale guy will be back with robot legs, and quaritch will be back with burns
2.4 billies
>>216769520>Avatar 4: Scoresby's back in a new cybernetic body and this time, IT'S PERSONNEL!
>>216768765As a viewer I find the similarities between the movies kinda jarring. So many scenes I've watched before from 1-2-3. Still a very cinematic movie. Avatar 3 is probably the best looking movie I've seen. 3D was dope Btw did anyone else notice the framerate changes?
>>216769282I'm not the one who's about to lose hundreds of millions of dollars
>>216762499Is that a real image?
>>216762926I think Zoomers hate sex scenes in normal movies because it reminds them of their permanent khv status
>>216763752Pure magic when the animals attack in this one
>>216757323kino
>>216769663I was expecting one of the shark things or some truly gigantic squid to appear at some point as a cherry on top
>>216769663The squids were such a fucking ass-pull, though, I will admit.>>216769652The average Zoid has experienced sex solely via watching random Ukrainian human trafficking victims get brutalized on their iPads. You'd fear and hate sex, too.
>>216769708Yeah, I was kinda disappointed it was just squids. When the animals attacked in the first one, it was so many predators and all types of animals
>>216769832>>216769901The squids were cool imo it reminded me of the primal horror in King Kongs Bug pit scene. Fuck getting wrapped around with tenactles and chomped on.
>>216769973Sure, but I wanted a scene like when Neytiri rode the Thanator. They could have a Metkayina ride an Akula
