>I thought that was the stupidest fucking thing. So, you build a lot of goodwill around the characters of you know, Hicks, Newt and Bishop, and then the first thing they do in the in the next film is kill them all off, right? Really smart guys, you know, and replace them with a bunch of fucking convicts that you hate. And want to see die. Really clever. Now, I’m a big fan of Fincher and his work and all that. And that was his first feature film, and he was getting vectored around by a lot of other voices and all that. So, I give him a free pass on that one.>The new Alien: Earth is pretty good and they’ve got a lot of the DNA from Ridley’s film, from ours, and also from Fincher’s, as well with some of those aggressive POVs.https://youtube.com/watch?v=8vEYRARBXxk
>>216907388Shoots himself down praising Alien Earth. Also overlooks that Hicks was absolutely fucked and Newt was played by a kid who couldn’t act and had already aged by half a decade
>>216907388Michael Biehn is a snoozefest and Newt is just some retarded child with no personality. I do not care about them.
>>216907388Based Jim the Cunnyseuer
>>216907429Seems you don't care about much thenCongratulations
>>216907421He always praises the most current thing and shits on it later. I mean he hyped up Terminator Genisys as being as good as T1 and T2.
>>216907421Get a new kid, it’s more anout the character >>216907388He’s right, I saw this shit in the theater when I was 7 and I knew this shit was fucked right off the bat. So unimmersive wondering why they couldn’t get the actors back and why this movie looked cheap.
>>216907388Nigga didn't understand a thing about Alien and thinks he has the right to say anything because he made a popcorn flick.
>>216907388I was disappointed but life goes to shit sometimes. Alien 3 is a great film. I like how different all of the Alien movies are but Resurrection can go into the trash.
>>216907421I enjoyed Alien Earth until the last couple of episodes. The weakest stuff was actually the Alien tie-in stuff. The robot story was more interesting.
>>216907628Felt like the Alien stuff was added in AFTER the entire series was written.I liked it though and got weird feelings in my pjs when I found out Newt loved to get butt ass naked online to piss off daddy.
>also James Cameron:
>>216907473I care about good movies. Like Alien for example.
>>216907693>when I found out Newt loved to get butt ass naked online to piss off daddy.Uh, what?
>>216907388I don't "reconcile" anything, I don't have to justify or defend my tastes, past, present, or future.I either like something or I don't, I either keep on liking it or I else I stop liking it I can like or dislike anything at any time for any reason or no reason at all, I don't need to "reconcile" anything, I don't need to make apologia for it, I don't need to do mental gymnastics to make sure everything I like fits comfortably in some logical framework.I like whatever the fuck I want and dislike whatever the fuck I want and I can be as hypocritical about it as I want and if anybody doesn't like it, they can do something about it, hopefully they're prepared for the consequences, but if they're not, I don't fucking care one bit.The only rule I have is, "don't fucking get violent with me," and that includes threats of violence as well, if you threaten me, you'd better be ready to act on it, because I'm gonna call your bluff 100% of the time, so you'd best not be bluffing, 'cause I'll FUCK you up, if you break the only rule then there are no more rules, and I'll stop beating your ass when I fucking feel like it, not necessarily when you want me to stop. If I feel like gouging your fucking eyes out, then it's too bad for you that you gave me a good excuse to do it. Oh, you like being able to see? Yeah, too bad, so sad. Keep your fucking hands and feet to yourself next time, or I'll pop your fucking eardrums next time.I don't fucking start violence or make threats to other people and I expect the same courtesy in return, if people want to act unfriendly, I'll show them how "unfriendly" life can fucking get.And there's nobody, not a single person I guarantee it, who doesn't take one look at me and KNOW that that's the rule I operate under, I've never had a misunderstanding, people see it in my eyes, hear it in my voice, people see it by the way I stand, the way I move, people who fuck with people don't fuck with me, they can tell I ain't the one.
Didn't he directed the fucking movie
>>216907388>The new Alien: Earth is pretty goodLiteral brain damage
>>216907388The problem with alien 3 was they took everything about alien and threw it in the trash. The doctor was actually a good character and literally dies the second his back story is explained. At the end, you don't even care if Ripley dies because she is suicidal anyways.
>>216907421>Shoots himself down praising Alien Earth They always do this. You finally get a big director taking some shit about a franchise they had a hand in developing and they can't end it without praising the new slop. Same thing with Terminator 3 and 4 being shit he didn't like, but calling Genesys the true T3 when it was the worse one thus far
basically, you don't have enough reason to root for the convicts, and the convicts don't have enough reason to stop the alien and save humanity
>>216907388>From the guy that signed off on Terminator Genisys and Dark Fate
It's almost as if the story is about Ripley and the alien, not some forced surrogate family subtext by a director who copied the original plot beat-for-beat and decides it's gospel
>>216908523Genisys is better than 3, 4 and 6 though
>>216908588he wanted to be spielberg so bad it spills into his every workit's like he WANTS the movie to be about family, but it's just too much work for him, like he can't do it, he doesn't have a model of a family in his head that he can project, so he resorts to cliches about family and stereotypes in the hopes that it can catch onmeanwhile the jew spielberg can make a movie with pressing family themes with a fucking horse as main character
>>216907388Hicks had a good film and I don't give a fuck about Newt she should have died twice
>>216907388Alien is a horror franchise, not a blockbuster for the whole family to watch. Newt and Hicks aren't important.Also Cameron killed Cornor in the first 2 min of Terminator Dark Fate.
>>216907388It wasn't Cameron's franchise to begin with, so he shouldn't get pissy when someone changes things around. If he wanted a sequel about Newt and Hicks living, he should have directed the film himself. But he didn't, so he whines from the sidelines.And I actually like Alien 3 (the Assembly Cut). It's a nihilistic film about faith, loss of hope, and dealing with an incurable disease. Basically a metaphor for cancer. And it's a valid take for an Alien film. And it's visually a great looking movie.
>>216908588>It's almost as if the story is about RipleyThis was the first mistake of the Alien franchise, the first 4 movies all would have been better with an entire new cast
https://youtu.be/8vEYRARBXxk?si=5CAmc8DDZHkOyNXU&t=3519Here is the part.
>>216908345Bros... could it be? I think it's himMr Bernthal I'm a big fan
>>216907388>you couldn't pay me enough to return to the Alien franchise.Based Cameron
>>216907388He's right.
>>2169092411 and 2 were fine and did have new casts. The next two needed new protagonists since Ripley's story was finished. It's the retarded uncreatives after that decided every single movie needed Sigourney, lv-426, weyland yutani, and couldn't create a coherent long plot or use the expanding lore fans were enjoying outside the movies
>>216907421>>216907474>>216908523It's all politics, you can't talk shit about "current thing" without screwing yourself over in return. The wrong producer or executive gets pissy and you don't get to make the movie you want. He can talk shit all he wants about Alien 3 because not only does Fincher hate it, the whole "killing Hicks and Newt ruined the filmed" was what everyone said the moment it came out.But Disney made Alien Earth and they're the ones who are letting him make his Avatar movies, so one throw away milquetoast comment like "Alien Earth is pretty good, it does stuff like the older films" isn't really something worth taking notice of.
>no, you can't just kill my characters off off-screen and focus on the main characterwhat a faggot
>>216908588Why on earth does a story about killer aliens need to be about Ripley? There was no reason for her to be in Alien 3. It easily could have been about a xenomorph somehow making its way into a space prison.
>>216909670You're the kind of retard the MCU was made for and caters to. Nothing matters, they just throw any slop on the screen and you guzzle it down. Movie ends one way? Doesn't matter, start it a completely different way next! Characters die? who gives a shit, bring em back!
>>216907388It's not your franchise, James.
>>216909747It’s not Ridley’s either just because he directed the first movie. It wasn’t his concept or screenplay.
>>216909815Ridley coming back acting like he owned it was the second worst thing to happen to the series. First being Alien 3, of course.
>>216910002And he didn't even bother to finish his turd of a trilogy.
>>216908558The convicts being interchangeable brit baldies doesn't help
>>216909815It's actually Walter Hill's, because he's the only surviving founder of Brandywine Productions.
>>216907388We could've had Jodie Comer as Newt leading a new Alien franchise right now
>>216910191would have been better than what we have
>a bunch of fucking convicts that you hate. And want to see die
>>216910064>barges back into the Alien films>The beast is cooked. No one wants more xenomorphs. What they want is angry androids and mysterious pale bodybuilders that have been on Earth all along so they're not alien.>Ok fine, maybe people do want more xenomorphs. I'll slap on some shitty scenes of aliens running after people. But only after I've made the second angry android movie I actually want.
Reminder James Cameron has never been wrong about anything and every time people insist he is wrong, it just turns out he is more right later.
>>216910259He had to get it on. She was in a frisky mood.
>>216908036Need it or keep it?
>>216910282>>216910002>>216909815I simply don't have the nerves to work in Hollywood. You create something special that is beloved the world over and that you poured your creative juices into and some European faggot who just pointed the camera pretends at ownership of the franchise and treats it as his own to this fucking day. I would sever Ridley's clit-dick head right off his shoulders.
Can the people who miss Newt describe that kid’s personality? Give us anything to let us know why it’d be so great to see her again?
>>216910398She's a teacher and a sweet person. I'm glad Hollywood didn't ruin her like it did so many others.
>>216907388Cameron ruined Alien.
>>216910449No one "misses" Newt. Stop being disingenuous and actually listen. The movie spent 60% of it establishing a relationship between her and Ripley. She's the new surrogate daughter for a woman that lost everything. Ripley spends most of the movie protecting Newt then descends into hell to either die or save Newt. The movie ends with them safely returning to Earth. You do not retcon the ending of the previous movie to make your sequel work. If you need to contrive some bullshit lies about the previous movie to justify your own movie's existence, then you're the one that's fucked up. "Oh actually, I just want Ripley in my movie, so um, we'll just have Hicks and Newt die since there's magically several hidden eggs onboard that impregnate Ripley and cause a fire magically when they're around a planet that shouldn't be there." Get the fuck out of here. Alien 3 needed to start somewhere else at some other time and that's fact.
>>216907781To be fair, franchise was not doing well with John Connor for many movies
>>216907388Cameron and Ridley Scott are in the same boomer boat
>>216910560What's your view on changing the movie's genre from horror to action?
>>216908345I haven't seen this pasta yet.
>>216907781>Kill John Connor, only to replace him with a cheaper Mexican female equivalent>Get rid of Skynet, only to replace it with a shittier AI with crappier Terminator designs>Make the Terminator, which was supposed to be a killing machine indistinguishable from real humans, an interior decorator who is unable to have sex with his wife.What did James Cameron mean by this?
>>216907388The stupidest fucking thing was you turning Ridley's cool alien into a retarded insect you fucking hack. Fincher rightfully dabbed on your shameless cashgrab.>The new Alien: Earth is pretty goodLmao.
>>216907388I don't want to hear it from a guy who helped produce Dark Fate, praised Alien Earth, and has spent the last two decades making Ferngully in space.He has become Ridley Scott 2.0 - old man who can't remember what made his classics good.
>>216911042>Didn't do anything that wasn't already in the first film>Made the series wildly popular so it wasn't a forgotten, one-off cult classicKeep seething though.
>>216907835Aliens > Alien
>>216911042Fincher hates Alien 3 and doesn't anything to do with it anymore.
>>216907388aliens sucksbill paxton sucksnewt suckshr giger sucksgirl boss afro sheen sucks
>>216907388How were they going to explain that Newt aged so much during stasis? See. Jimbo didn't think about that. This is why his stupid cat movie still has ZERO lasting cultural impact despite making so much money
>>216911127WHO PUT HER IN CHEEEEERRRRGE!?!? Nothing with Bill Paxton in it will ever be watchable
>>216911204>Ripley, Newt, and Hicks get back to Earth>time skip a couple decades into the future JUST LIKE THE LAST DAMN MOVIE DID>they are older and have moved on with their lives since there's zero reason to start a sequel exactly the second the last movie endedWhy are you so uncreative? Why can't you understand thinking about not eating breakfast this morning?
>>216910449she was really, really cute and all I'm saying is if I was on that spaceship things wouldn't go down like they did.
>>216907388It was actually a bold move and showed that Ripley can't escape the Alien no matter what. I think Alien 3 was trying to set up the Alien as something more like a personal demon from hell for Ripley that will take everything from her, but it kind of got lost in translation in the script.
>>216907388Yeah 3 had mistakes, now lets make Alien 3 non canon in 4chan
>>216907421Like some anon wrote, just mix alien 3 with 4 and Let Hicks escape to earth with Newt
>>216911042>Ridley's cool alienAnyone that thinks or says that Ridley Scott created the Alien obviously doesn't know shit about Alien.
>>216911210>Nothing with Bill Paxton in it will ever be watchableBill Paxton was fucking awesome. What the fuck is your problem?
>>216910560We’ve had people whining for years about the franchise needing a do over sequel that brings her back. Sure sounds like some people want to see her again even though she’ll be played by someone else which begs the question why
>>216910638Ridley is not a boomer, he was born in the 30s
>>216907421But killing off the characters so lazily like that was only done because 3 just had to begin right where 2 ended, which was also lazy. Actors don't reprise roles in bad sequels all the time, but it's really special when they make a bad sequel even worse by directly and poorly addressing that in the story. One easy way to avoid this is just have an entirely new cast, but Ripley's character was like an anchor weighing down the franchise after 2.
>>216911565Hicks was absolutely fucked at the end of Aliens
>>216911922Nope. Just lost an eye, and everything else heals fine. And it's the goddamn scifi future, so they could give him a cyborg eyeball.
Israel territory necklace and hebrew symbolMichael Bienh is jewish?
>>216911895thanks nuance faggot.protip: they're all boomers
>>216912141probably to get work
>>216911961Fan art made years later commissioned by a filmmaker who Biehn felt disrespected by, therefore irrelevant. He also got acid on his chest and needed Ripley’s help to even walk
>>216907388
>>216912691>did you like this?>well here's more
I'M A MURDERER AND RAPIST OF WOMEN
>>216912648Just like Sigourney.
>>216912882>OF WOMENWas he trying to make sure Ripley didn't think he was gay?
>>216912691Whoever made this, never got laid
>>216907388Newt ruined the tension of Aliens because there was no way Fox in the corporate mid-80s would actually have a child killed on screen.
>>216907388>The new Alien: Earth is pretty good
>>216910259>And then they all die at the end except that one freak that you hate even more.Truly amazing.Anyone who doesn't like Newt (or her stunt double) is not my nigga.
>>216907388It just kinda reminds me of comic books where writers will add their OCs, hoping they will become mainstays for the character. However, they almost never do, because the next writer will throw out the previous guy's OCs to add their own OCs and hope that their own OCs become the mainstays.Ultimately, Alien isn't Cameron's real creation, and Newt/Hicks are just the 'found family' bit that has been done before and is an odd fit for such a franchise. As much as Fincher himself hates Alien 3, killing Newt and Hicks and replacing them with convicts you hate is a bold artistic decision that anyone should respect... at least anyone who isn't one of the NPC goyslop masses.Anyways, I haven't seen Alien 3, so I could hate it. However, Aliens is focused group slop that you realize deserved to be disregarded once you grow up and see it for what it is.
>>216913248It's not an odd choice at all. It's in the only movie that literally everyone liked. Nobody gave a shit about Alien before Aliens. Pretending everyone needs to die every movie except Ripley is your retarded headcanon. And you're also retarded for pretending characters can't movie on having a nice life, while the following movie continues with someone else. Predator 2 did just fine not having Dutch come back to yet again fight the predator, but this time he dies because that's your stupid comprehension of how movies are supposed to work.
>>216907388But less stupid than ruining your old films, Jim Bob.
>>216912691> Enjoy goy.jpgThe handiwork of a bull most virile
>>216913361>Pretending everyone needs to die every movie except Ripley is your retarded headcanon.Never said that. I actually think the endless retread of Alien 1 is also retarded>It's in the only movie that literally everyone liked.Cameron focus groups his movies to hell and back, and I get that people who think that is what art should be will defend it to hell and back as well.
>>216913240Tell us about her compelling personality
>>216913361>Nobody gave a shit about Alien before AliensAlien is one of the most iconic movies of all time. It made Ridley Scott and Sigourney Weaver, still has one of (if not the) most iconic deaths in cinema, and made a lot of money as well as being incredibly well reviewed and winning major awards. So fuck off with that shit
>>216907388Yeah, Alien 3 killed it for me. I loved Alien, LOVED Aliens, and I remember as a kid going into Alien 3 thinking "Wow, I can't wait to see Bishop and Ridley and a grown up Newt fighting aliens!" And then bam...some nigger convict getting screen time and everyone wanting to rape her. Just fucking destroyed it for me. Even when they brought her back throguh cloning they had to fuck it up by putting Winona Ryder in.
>>216913937Out of curiosity what made you think that’s what Alien 3 would be?
>>216913856I read the book before I saw the movie, so I knew about the extra stuff that happens in the colony before we ever got the special edition. Newt is a good girl and she loved her brother.
>>216913961I was 10 and asked my dad to rent it. I had no pre-warning as to what it was
>>216907628>The weakest stuff was actually the Alien tie-in stuff.Agreed.There's a lot to love about the show. Kavalier is charismatic, the hybrids were a neat acting challenge,Timothy Olyphant being kino incarnate every scene, Isaac / Tootle's death, rooting for an eyeball and a blood tic, the purposely 'out there' cinematography.Isaac's actor killed it with this scene. I wish I had the clip showing this without the CGIhttps://youtu.be/4bF7Zh1uKJU?t=127also, so much focus was placed on the brother yet they made him into a mostly useless character (no fault of the actor's, he did very well)
>>216913240Newt had a dwarf stunt double?
>>216907388Alien is weird in the sense its trying to be a horror movie and an action movie and a scifi movieKilling characters off make sense in a horror movie but Aliens 2 was more action and it was about the characters.Honestly it should have just been a more straightforward sequel but that would have solidified Aliens as mostly action and scifi with some horror. Cameron doesn't know much of shit though so really it was a mess either way.
>>216910875Some people function as vessels for divine ideas, they are antennas that tune into the universal frequency for a day, until they give birth to what we all needed to bring forth. The tragedy is that the divine spark abandons them and they spend the rest of their lives scratching the bottom of an empty vessel, trying to replicate something they don't even understand because it wasn't theirs, unable to remember what they said when they spoke in tongues
>>216907388>Killing Newt and Hicks was the stupidest fucking thingYes, he could have made spin-offs of both
>>216907388spoilers you nigger
>>216907388Yeah well so was turning skin-crawling cosmic horror into nonstop shootybang and 'girls are badass too'
>>216907388it's official alien 3 isn't canon. confirmed by jim
>>216914485Yes, but that's not who's in the picture. The picture is Louise Head, who was the kid stunt double and had a birthday during the shoot.
>>216907781fair point
>>216908473The nihilism wasn't good idea for the franchise/fandoms but it made you hate the W-Y corporation for putting Ripley through hell for 3 movies
they should have cast the same girl as newt and explained her being 6 years older as, uh, her cryo pod being broken or something haha
>>216912141humiliation necklace
>>216913240why would a kid need another kid as a stunt double, what did she stunt for? the slide in the vents?
>>216915709One thing I can think of is child labor laws limiting the number of hours they can work, especially in bongistan. Pretty much every modern animal movie out there will have multiple dogs or wahtever they cycle through to avoid overworking or confusing them.
Does James Cameron, worldwide respected filmmaker and billionare, really have time to sit and yap with washed up alcohol Michael Bean on his crummy podcast?
>>216910002Except (a big Except) for the writing Ridley put the Alien franchise back on track after Cameron turned it into Starship Troopers. Then Disney ruined it again with girl power and lore-breaking writing
>>216915709don't know the reason, but one reason I would guess is:if a lead actor gets injured it can set back the filming/production due to having to reschedule. I assume it affects many people's jobs and the production budget when that happens..although I can't think of a movie production off the top of my head where a non-fatal injury delayed the filming of the movie
>>216907781Good point modern Cameron is brain dead
>>216907388>All this talk about Alien 3 & 4>All these postsAlright bring this thread to 150 posts and I'll tell you how to fix Alien 3 and 4 in just 5 words, it's as easy as 3,4,5, baby.You can make a new thread about it too or make memes about it and get 2 more fandoms to talk about Aliens since that's the secret. those are the 5 secret words to fix Alien 3 and 4.Also what do you guys think of this new captcha? They changed it for the 4th time now.
>>216915709Some of the scenes when Ripley was carrying her as the powerplant collapsed were a bit sketchy, and they couldn't use the indian dwarf for those because... it would be obvious. There was even a Newt dummy for some of the carrying scenes.I think the vent scenes were a mix of Louise and Kiran Shah the dwarf, and there were more of them shot than used even in the special edition. There's more of that in the book I mentioned, that was published before the movie as they often did back then.
>>216915985>just 5 wordsI already know themAlien vs Predator vs Terminator
>>216915985>how to fix Alien 3 and 4 in just 5 wordsThey. Were. Just. A. Dream.
>>216916043Nope.avi
>>216907474this. i remember him praising genesis as well
>>216916099I came up with that idea (and 20 more people) , but it's not that.
>>216916021is this a child or a stumpy dwarfy young woman? does not seem to be the newt actress
>>216916222You know, you could try reading the thread, anon. It's Louise Head, a stunt kid a couple of years older than Carrie Henn. As we've been talking about.There was also a dwarf stunt double for Newt in different scenes. But this is what he looks like.
>>216907388>>The new Alien: Earth is pretty goodSPINELESS COWARD that you are Cameron.Also holy shit Ridley Scott is 88 ?!! how the fuck is he not dead yet?!?! He's older than Trump. He's older than Joe Biden for God's sake.
>>216916655The sad thing is he's never going to make Queen and Country. It was his pet project, like Alita was for James Cameron.
>>2169073881st movie was good, survival horror2nd movie was good, survival horror+shoot'em upthe rest is ass, the entire franchise is ass other than those two. the only thing i keep other than the 2 films is that the monsters are born out of Giger's mind and this is why he feared them
>>216907593>but ResurrectionResurrection is a mess but I have such admiration for it because I'm pretty sure it is the singular weirdest big budget "franchise" movie ever madeLike they took this huge IP and they handed it to this quirky French asshole and they let him do basically whatever the fuck he wanted with tens of millions of dollars, nobody will ever be able to make a movie like this again. It'd be like if they gave a fucking Jurassic Park sequel to Wes Anderson.
>>216916734TFW you take so long to make a movie of Queen & Country that the Queen is dead and the Country is fucked.
>>216916800>franchiseits the "we want to make money so do whatever"
>>216916819Yeah, sure. Studios don't even meet that low bar anymore. They barely even let Sam Raimi Sam Raimi up Dr. Strange.
>>216916800I still like Resurrection more than Alien 3. At least Resurrection had Michael Wincott in it.
>>216907388>The new Alien: Earth is pretty goodHuh ,this explains avatar...
>>216907388>new Alien: Earth isanti-human propaganda
>8 hours and 30 minutes agoAliens threads are so slow, but hey a promise is a promise. 10 more posts to go. Almost there, champion.Alien really could have been a proper franchise like Star Wars if Fox wasn't such an indifferent piece of shit. Sometimes in my pessimism I want Brandywine productions to have said no to Alien 3 & 4 just like Fox cancelled Alien Operation the cartoon show.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB5bZZOwYnw&list=RDHB5bZZOwYnw&start_radio=1
>>216916925You're going to disappoint the universe as badly as Alien 3 did though, aren't you.
>>216907474He praised Genisys but I don't recall him saying it was as good as T1 and T2. I'd like a source for that if there is one
>>216909241Like Prometheus?
>>216907474Genisys or whatever it was called was fun. It wasn't great but it was better than any other Terminator movie since 2.
>>216917034>>216916996>>216907474Actual good movies>T1>T2Fun shitty action comedies>T3>GenisysUnwatchable grimdark slogs>T4>Dark Fate
>>216916800The only problem with Resurrection is that Ripley comes back. They never ever should have brought her back in the first place but her reappearances get worse by the movie.
>>216917076The best and most elevating part of T3 is the ending which is anything but fun comedy.
>>216907388Its insane this dumb ass thread is still up. You faggots need to get over Alien, its done, forever.
C'mon champ almost there. I hope nobody calls me a cheater by helping you as a normal poster.Pic unrelated to what I'm going to say, but very related to the space jockey.https://heyzine.com/flip-book/6bd0377d5c.htmlhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1333SxUDcSkt4QJe3DOnFN7s82SBGrtBpD6jtXAPmfXQ/edit?tab=t.0
>>216917076>>216917197the worst thing to happen to the franchise was comedythere is no need for that in terminator.
>>216910398Looks like Vince Gillian
>>216917193I'm trying to game out the movie you're describing in my headI guess it's just the mercs fight the mad scientists when everything go to shitMight have been fun to not have the Prime Ripley clone but still have them briefly discover the fucked up Sigorney Weaver thing in the room where they're working on the ayy DNA since the whole plot was "We're experimenting with the handful of goop we were able to strain out of that lead smelter"Jesus christ these things were actually in the movie>>216917257>>216915985Shut the fuck up, I don't know what kind of stupid schizo gimmick you're doing but you can stop now because nobody cares, go spam somebody with flat earth webms or some gay shit
>“Killing Newt was not only an obscenity, it removes the principal rationale for Ripley to fight to stay alive. Filmmakers love to shock, even if it goes against logic, reason, and plot. They suffer from a misguided belief that shock equates to art … My thought in the killing of Newt in Alien 3 was to explain that her capsule was damaged and that she would therefore have to remain in deep sleep until it could be repaired. That way, she remains alive but inactive for the duration of the story, Ripley’s motivation to fight to remain alive in order to sustain her is maintained, and Newt’s status being iffy (she can live or die at any time) adds another element of suspense to the film. And of course, having Newt as an older person with a unique insight into the Aliens would have opened up some wonderful spin-off possibilities. But Walter Hill essentially killed off everything I tried to add to the story.”>~ Alan Dean Foster, writer, and Alien series novelist.
>>216917336>but still have them briefly discover the fucked up Sigorney Weaver thing in the room where they're working on the ayy DNA since the whole plot was "We're experimenting with the handful of goop we were able tthose scenes were like an fps video game with some creepy stuff and not scary or atmospheric, it was wasted.
>>216917356>principal rationale for Ripley to fight to stay alive.finding and rescuing newt renewed her life and when she dies like that there is not ripley anymore.
>>216907388The whole point of killing them off was to bring back the bleakness of the Alien universe you saw in the first movie where a company was willing to sacrifice its own people just to get the single xenomorph to be used a weapon.
>>216917456>bring back the bleaknessit did not create bleakness but bullshitness. It was not grimdark, it was a moronic utterly crude write off of the entire story and of all the characters, foremost of ripley.
>>216907532who took you to see Alien3 at 7 year olds? thats what I want to know
>>216917336>>216917193>Shut the fuck up, I don't know what kind of stupid schizo gimmick you're doing but you can stop now because nobody cares, go spam somebody with flat earth webms or some gay shitOh an anti intellectual and a jealous brown person, I see. Well I can keep my secret to the grave, but I assure you... people care. See you later, schizo.The 5 words to fix Alien 3 & 4 are going to be withheld once more cuz uz a biatch, son. ;)
>>216917456>>216917488Something the series skirts around since the very first one really, although it's at the forefront in Romulus and Earth, is that living in the Alien universe really fucking sucks.And I'm not talking about all the face raping murder bugsIn fact if you get slaughtered by face raping murder bugs, it appears to be a lateral move to the lifestyle you had previously.It kinda takes the stakes out of the whole setting because honestly everybody should die and every world should be rendered a tomb
>>216917456But Alien wasn't bleak in the least bit and wasn't that dark. Going with that take you're misunderstand it just like Requiem thought that taking the Dallas tunnel scene (which has a flame) and filming the entirety of Requirem in pitch blackness was going to help return to Alien 1.
>>216917540>You're going to disappoint the universe as badly as Alien 3 did though, aren't you.
>>216916800>>216917336Well retard, go ahead: what's your hot take on Resurrection? and don't say "Just remove clone SIgourney Weaver" or I'll kill you.
>>216917588It really was bleak. Again all these company personnel who were just space truckers get horribly killed off because of company greed and it ends with the sole survivor launching herself off into space in stasis hoping someone will find her. Hell, Aliens opens with her being found 50 years later and learning her daughter has grown up and had a full life without her.
>>216917662You forgot your trip seether
>>216917336 You absolute fucking FAGGOT. Do you know how many times we've been baited by him to just fucking tell us already? since 15th December.https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/216714795https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/216627048
>>216917303Terminator always had some amount of comedy, from the beginning >Possible response: "Fuck you asshole"Though some of the sequels dialed up and went overboard with it
>>216917654Blame this faggot >>216917336 thanks a lot, faggot.Do you know how many times we tried? He's baiting us since before Christmas.
>216917746>216917776>61 seconds apartNo one cares about your shitty forced meme except for you.Shut the hell up dude
>>216917825>The same person can definitely solve this captcha perfectly in just 60 seconds.Shut the fuck up, gen-Z. I can smell your gen-Zer breath from here. Your father is brown.
>>216917753*and it's arguably the biggest and worst problem with Salvation how its version of John Connor is completely humorless and dead serious, and thus uncharismatic, the entire time, unlike all versions of the character we've seen
>>216917879**all other
>>216917870You know what? I apologize for accusing you of pretending to be a schizo.It's genuine.Stop making it our problem you attention whore.
>>216907421Could have literally just had them not end up in the same place Ripley does.Make it so they all get to safety, and then Ripley finds herself as some kind of consultant on Xenomorphs, since that's all she can do now.Better yet, don't even have Ripley in the third movie.
>>216912669He was ok you retard
>>216910002>acting like he ownedDoesn't he?
>>216907388>old product bad and bad>but this new product is great!
>>216912669He would've recovered with some permanent injuries, but it was unnecessary to kill him and Newt. Cameron is right, as usual. Cameron filmed him resting in the pod at the end. He was "fine", and it was unnecessary and cruel and pointless to kill him and Newt and no one will ever appreciate 3/4 because of it.
>>216918222No he doesn't. Alien 1979 was written by Dan O Bannon and Ronald Shusset. Ridley didn't add a goddamn thing.How to fix Prometheus: you just LOST: THE GAME check the writers credits, blame the writers and blame Ridley for going with it instead of calling Fox.
>>216918276Everyone who took control of Alien after 1980 was driving a car with no wheels. The franchise hasn't ever really recovered from 3, and it never will. It's over 40 years old and they have basically rebooted it like 5 fucking times.
>>216916925>''just like Fox cancelled Alien Operation the cartoon show.''>Posts a link to an anime....something. Fuck if I know, a music video?You are confusing people my dude.
>>216918501After 1990* my bad
>>216918515Check out the shit he wrote in this screencap >>216917930 and tell me he's in the business of making senseJust ignore him
>>216918501And this is why Alien fags suck every other franchise's cock including X-Files and The Twilight Zone.>>216878706
>>216917076Actual good movies>T2Fun shitty action movies>T1>T3>T4Unwatchable grimdark slogs>Genisys>Dark Fate
>>216917654Tartakovsky;s only good cartoon was Dexter's Lab.
>>216918570>Genisys>grimdark
>dudeeWhy do gen-Zers talk like they're stoner hippies from the 60s? are they eternally stuck as teenagers?>>216918550Alien fans got so brainwashed they even started enjoying Prometheus and Covenant calling them good.>>216918540I have no idea where that is from and what the context is, but you're an underage Sharty faggot.
>>216918618Isn't that the one in which kid Connor gets shotgunned in a Hawaiian Bar or something? I give so little of a fuck about this Franchise after T4 that I don't even know.
>>216918632>I have no idea where that is from and what the context isYou wrote a bizarre stream of consciousness rant about how you would "fix" the Species movies in one of your previous threads
>>216918690>Isn't that the one in which kid Connor gets shotgunned in a Hawaiian Bar or something?No, that was Dark Fate. That was the grimdark miserable slog one.Genisys is the one where they kill a Terminator and put its skeleton in a truck and duck down and drive it into the Skynet camp and fool the other Terminators guarding outside "Oh yeah that's one of our pals, driving a truck around like us robots do"
>>216918692No idea and that's not my post and I'm not him. Also you're not denying you're from the Sharty and most likely from the Avatar & Pluribus threads?Huh, do thanks for the context. Now it makes sense what that anon is yelling about.
>>216918745Shut the fuck up dudeHoly shit what is wrong with you
>>216918570>>Dark FateI watched this again recently and I have to say its decent.
>>216918756Shut the fuck up, dudeehh.Holy shit what is wrong with you?Heh, dumb teenagers.
>>216918501Same with Terminator, Predator and the Jurassic park franchises. All of them have been sloppiefied and raped beyond recognition. 90's are fucking dead, and its about time we moved on. Nostalgia is a bitch.
>>216918745Speaking of Pluribus and Species ... The Pluribus fags should go watch the Species movies instead if they want to stop getting blueballed by 63 minutes of filler per episode. TV Shows nowadays really need to cut down to 20 minute episodes like it was normal back in the 90s and 2000s.Avatar fans should be put in the same thread with Smurfags and monster girl fags. Come to think of it the Na'vi really are hairless cat women, the whole thread is nothing but catfags.
>>216910875shes Colombian, not Mexican, and i dont give a fuck if you cant understand the difference, you burgerlord piece of shit.
>>21691887880s and 90s shit is eternal because for some reason nobody after that can craft a movie with any staying power at alllike the last one ever made was Jackson's Lord of the Rings, 24 years ago, and that's well raped now too
>>216907388>is against killing Newt>supported killing off John ConnerWhat a cuck simp.
>>216907421Hicks wasn't that fucked. Injured beyond whatever first aid Bishop and Ripley could give him on the Sulaco sure. I bet any colony with full medical facilities could treat his wounds and he'd be fine (albeit scarred for life)
>>216918276>Alien 1979 was written by Dan O Bannon and Ronald Shusset.NTA, but isn't the Alien Franchise a property of the movie production company that made the first film? In this case that would be 20th Century Fox.
>>216918909Study the 2008 economic recession, it's where everything went wrong cause th e jews stopped financing art schools that actually teach people how to write scripts and do practical effects and proper CGI.It's nothing but young disgenics with 0 writing experience and 0 acting experience working on these films.
>>216918958If it was up to Fox they would have kept it buried longer than Disney kept Tron buried.You have these guys to thank for the Alien IP even existing. Fox hates them for some reason.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandywine_Productions
>>216918958Nope, especially since Ridley's film would have remained some obscure forgotten cult classic without Cameron's film. Aliens is what everyone liked and gave it the staying power of half a century. The following directors are complete imbeciles and never bothered to check what fans actually wanted more of. Fans wants more colonial marines fighting xenos, they bought the games, comics and toys eagerly awaiting more of that. And instead they were given shit after shit after shit movie until Ridley stomped back in making his reboots about his love for androids because he doesn't give a shit about Alien.
>>216918909>nobody after that can craft a movie with any staying power at allI dunno about that, Nolan's Batman trilogy was pretty much universally praised by the time of its conclusion. The only negative point I remember from that time was about Bale having ''muh raspy Batman voice''. I remember people making a lot of ''WHYDOYOUWANNAKILLME'' memes back in 2008.
>>216913361Predator 2 worked because you just need a guy, a location and a Predator. Another Predator coming to hunt Arnold would be really far fetched and not make any sense. Alien as a franchise is always about the thoroughline of the push and pull of Ripley and Weyland-Yutani. Alien 3 having things go bad for her makes sense for the character. Alien 3 also wanted to bring its roots back to a horror movie...something you really cant do if you have a child sidekick and military man tagging along
>>216911922Ripley didn't seem the least bit worried about his condition when she put him in the cryotube.
>>216907388Cameron has no room to talk after he produced and vouched for the Terminator movie where John Connor is gunned down in the first 5 minutes.
What the fuck happened to the economy?
>>216919257>Baby's first encounter with inflation.
>>216907628>The robot story was more interesting.it was always more interesting
>>216919115Go to bed Jim
just make it a general at is point?
>>216919291>it was always more interestingThen go along with it....
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>>216919728Can't since it wasn't very interesting
>>216907421>Newt was played by a kid who couldn’t act and had already aged by half a decadeIf only this series had some kind of technology that allowed characters to age while others were in statis.
>>216919257What the fuck happened between 86 and 92 ?Also this captcha is a humiliation ritual.
>>216907388Cameron really pretends to not understand jewish demoralization when he is at the forefront of it? He's Mr. Girlboss himself.
>>216919835Vampires don't have reflections. :^)
>>216919790Cool, now we have an older kid who still can’t act
>>216919189He’s sedated and put under for his own good by the time she gets back to the ship because he’s in a bad way
>>216919189She didn’t put him in cryo
>>216918276Nobody would remember Star Beast. The budget got doubled because of what Ridley was doing with the project.
>>216918132So ok that she left him behind and Bishop froze him for his own good yeah?
Fincher didn't write it.The script was a Frankstein cobbled together at the last moment from a lot of other drafts.A lot of the sets were originally built for the wooden planet concept when the prison script came in and had to be repainted to fit it.Charles Dutton was good in the film.
>>216907421>”Alien: Earth is pretty good”means it’s shit.
Hey /tv/ you ever created anything?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nrqpUfl9Vw
>>216920077You idiots have never even seen the movies you complain about
>>216914960Well articulated
>>216912141Amulet, to safekeep him from Hollywood (((evil))). Kinda like that dude from the Mummy with the Remphan star necklace.
They should have gave Sigourney fake tits.
>>216907388>James Cameron "Killing Newt and Hicks was the stupidest fucking thing"Correct. Taking a squat on all the effort of the previous film to save them, especially Newt, doesn't introduce gravitas to the next movie, but just irritates from on high, as the franchise transparently just unloaded them to move on.
>>216907388>Alien thread slows down after 10:00 PM GMTAre Alien fans all Europeanfags?>inb4 it's brown Europeans.
>>216909648the faster people understand media market (relations) literacy, the better they will be at not being psyopping themselves.
>>216921240Or that's when the corporate shills using contrarian outrage to stir interest in properties goes off shift.
>>216907388It's not too late to rectify it.Just make a movie where Ripley wakes up from cryosleep, the events of Alien3 and Resurrection having been a nightmare. AI could do it.
>>216921365They tried to do it. Ridley has too much control of the series for some reason and squashed the movie. He can do that even though everyone despises the entries he makes
>>216921365They should do an animated spinoff canon. Aliens: Earth WarBased on the comics. Similar to Starship Troopers: Roughneck Chronicles.You could bring Beihn and Weaver back as VAs, and their age won't matter.
>>216921464Not enough people watch those, so they don't consider it canon. Or else Alien Isolation would be on everyone's mind as the 3rd movie of the trilogy, and a game sequel to Aliens could rock with what it could achieve at far less cost and far more time given to play out its story
>>216921662Canon literally does not matter anymore. Between 3/4, AVP 1/2, Romulus, Isolation, Earth, Covenant/Prometheus, all that would matter is if it were good enough to warrant existing. I stand by this statement completely.Fuck Alien "canon" with a stick. Pick and choose what fits such a narrative best and jettison the rest with prejudice.
>>216918898fact is she serves as propaganda by hollywood why my country should import infinite of you shitskinsyou all have ten kids each so you fucking bioweapons are gonna take over if we dont stop you coming in thank god trumps in office. Get fucked, spic.
>>216921240it literally is just brown europeans see>>216918898>>216919827
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>>216908523I dont think cameron is the type to shit on other filmmakers especially when he most likely works with the same film crews would be like shooting yourself in the dick.
>>216919168>Alien as a franchise is always about the thoroughline of the push and pull of Ripley and Weyland-YutaniRetroactive description. Alien could easily have been about new random people finding the Xeno in different situations with the viewer finding new stuff about them and the Engineers
>>216922878>when filming concluded at Pinewood, Cameron told the crew: "This has been a long and difficult shoot, fraught by many problems ... but the one thing that kept me going, through it all, was the certain knowledge that one day I would drive out the gate of Pinewood and never come back, and that you sorry bastards would still be here." He described most of the crew as "lazy, insolent, and arrogant".
>>216923630Tbf, those brits did love their tea breaks. kek
>>216923761How many tea breaks a day did they have and how long did they last each for to become a problem?
>>216911079>I don't want to hear it from a guy who helped produce Dark FateCame here to post this.
>>216924763https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMMwPa5tdL8These workaholic american directors just don't understand how much the bongs need their tea
>>216924763According to cameron the brits had tea breaks betweem 10 a.m. and 2 p.m. The crew also walked out because they didnt respect him. So I can understand the anger after the fact. But cameron was most likely a prick.
>>216908375>brown hands typed this
>>216907388And yet nobody seethe about this like when tarantino said that faggot Dano sucked
>>216924951Must be the protestant genes. Its also very tiring setting up shots all fucking day and barely a break in between, complete wankers some of these directors.
>>216917356Alan Dean Foster is even more senile than Cameron, he wrote an entire laughably bad alternate Star Wars 9 script that revealed Rey was secretly an organic droid to explain "why she can do everything right away without practice" and Luke comes back from the dead and literally says "I was just resting"
>>216926213Better than the crap JJ and Rian wrote. There was no salvaging episode 9 after being set up for failure hard by ep 7 and 8
>>216926213There was no salvaging that shit. If he was paid to try and make sense of it, I don't blame him for trying. But I'm sure he had a similar realization to that as he did the final outcome of Alien 3:It was fucked.
>>216907421Alien Earth is the only IP since AvP that isn't unmitigated horse shit.
>>216912691Yeah this guy fucks
>>216915985Jonesy gets his bonus situation
>>216926707OOH PAJEET PAJEET SING ME A SONG. Fuck off nobody has anything to gain from defending Earth and they have everything to lose from protecting possibly the ugliest retarded looking actors and dumbest script written in the world. Can you believe that garbage was said to be a Star Trek script by FX initially? I don't. Even the cartoon Star Trek is better written than that garbage.
>>216907388I love it when people complain about seeing horrific things in a horror movie.
>>216927167>>216926213Right before this thread 404s so here is how>>216907593>>216916963https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/216714795https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/216627048Here is how to fix BOTH Alien 3 & Alien 4 in just 5 words.Are you all ready for this?Alien 3: The Shawshank RedemptionAlien 4: Jurassic ParkThat's exactly 5 words and some might even say it's just 4 words. It all makes sense now, doesn't it?You're welcome. I'll take my Disney check now. And the 200 Alien theorists on Youtube that will copy me.
>>216910875his house looked like shit
>>216907388That part was great, it was a return to horror and the Newt autopsy is probably the most horrific thing in the series. Wish I could see the original
>>216927921Those are fucking garbage ""ideas""Never post again
>>216907532>So unimmersive wondering why they couldn’t get the actors back and why this movie looked cheap.>7 years oldTrolling is an art
