handholding editionprev: >>216918141
Was thinking why don't they do an intermission for films that are 3 and a quarter hours long until I realized that whenever it cuts to a lengthy discussion among some whales about how killing brings only more killing, that's when you're supposed to go to the bathroomCameron is God
>>216930732I started to feel a little discomfort sitting near the end of the movie but the movie itself didn't felt too long to me.
Neytiri having to seduce human men to get the key to open Jake's cage!
>>216930732Do americans really need to go to the bathroom in intervals of less than 3 hours?Maybe you should not eat taco bell before the movie, you swine.
Were there any leaks for 4-5? I remember the 3 leaks very pretty much spot-on after watching the movie
>>216930896if I have a medium drink I'll need to pee
>>216930896rent free
>>216930912You can't go without peeing for three hours?
>>216930916
Cameron really does say shit like testosterone is poison and then makes a movie with a gigachad family man protecting his traditional way of life alongside his submissive tradwife and fighting against another gigachad that sexually conquers an evil native woman and breaks his zogbot programming
>>216930990I really didn't like how the ash tribe is just one woman and a bunch of orcs.I wish there was a "bad" faction of navi that are a bit more sophisticated like the air traders.
>We are the Fire! Mangkwan!>Quaritch! Quaritch! Quaritch!
>>216931001I like how she was mirin' Quaritch. Dude's a pimp through and through
>"I mean it was like I was back at drama school">"Finally I could use my body"I believe in gOona supremacyhttps://youtu.be/gkQ841v5ADQ?si=STlD5E6qGclE_98w&t=83
>>216931050She's done nothing wrong though. She's innocent.
>>216930939it would be extremely painful
doubted this movie after all the people saying it was just the way of water again but it kicks ass and is much better than the second film
>>216930972>>216930916>>216930896>>216930939>Be European>Constantly dehydrated because you don't believe in water>Can't understand why some people have to pee more than twice per day
>>216930684>points at the skies>FIRE FIRE *Na'vi gibberish* FIRE FIRE FIRE>*mimics gunfire* DRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRVarang's fucking lost it in the final battle. Though she was also weirdly adorable. That black feathery getup on her looked great on her too. Appreciate her going into battle with style.
>>216931334She was chanting FIRE FIRE DEATH DEATH
>>216931215are you completely retarded
>>216931379>DEATH DEATHGod. That makes it so much hotter.
What would happen if Varang connects to the spirit dimension and tries to meet Eywa? Would Eywa just kill her or just block her?
>>216931001Same, I want a tribe of Na’vi who fully embrace human culture and technology and abandoned the primitive ways of Eywa.
>>216931215Bottled water is a strange concept to me.
>>216931334she was so excited she forgot about Pril
I didn't like 3 as much as I liked 2. There was barely any worldbuilding or exposition.
>>216931215Water doesnt exist. It was made up by jews.A consultant of clinical chemistry was making fun of all the girls in the course because they all had huge bottles of water on their desks and he said>you know you will feel thirsty when your body wants you to drink water, right?He also said chromosome is king when it comes to determining sex/gender.That man as based.
>>216932024the wind traders are only worldbuilding
>>216932024>FIRE AND ASH>5 minutes of volcano, 10 minutes of fire people >rest is the same anti-whaling TV spot with the same antagonists and 1h battle to rescuz the same kids, in the same place
could Ella play a na'vi?
>>216932113Those water assets were very expensive, daddy jimbo needs to get his money's worth.
>CARMELA CAN YOU PLEASE COLONIZE PANDOOOOOOORA
>>216932290
>>216932313In the end the ash na'vi colonized Bridgehead and hiss at anyone trying to take their light beer and jeans
>>216930867is everyone in the RDA just a fucking chud? (like me)>>216931002I think the reason why they get along with him so well is because they know he gets to fuck Varang so they respect him for that. They wish they were him.
>33% drop for the second weekendSo much for those magic legs.
>>216932290It would've been crazy if Ardmore had ordered weapons free on all Na'vi warriors upon seeing Quaritch (who disobeyed direct orders to stand down) leading the Mangkwan riders from the eclipse. Then the final battle would've been a three-way shit-fest among the Na'vi led by Jake, the Ash clan led by Quaritch and Varang, and the RDA forces commanded by Ardmore and Scoresby.
>>216930867based James made sure to give all the female Navii such a sexy walking animation
>>216931002>>216932354I think it goes even deeper then that. They respect Varang for being a strong leader but fear her. Meanwhile I think they actually prefer Quaritch over her because he is not only strong but also reasonable and not batshit insane.
>>216930867oh neytiri, such a good girl
>>216932024i can agree with that but i still liked 3 more because the ending of 3 felt like the ending of 2 again but much bigger and cooler
>>216932024But Chris Gore told me there's too much exposition
>>216932790>reasonable and not batshit insaneI do wonder how many of her own people she sacrificed, and ate their hearts afterwards, just for her to remind the others who was really in charge of the Mangkwan.
Imagine having sex with the crazy fire bitch. She'd put that flame-resistant paste thing on her tongue and let the fire burn for a while then put it out and lick your balls so you can feel the warmth. Then she rides you like a bitch in heat. After you cum, she'll do that hair connection thing and control you and make you cum again...and again...and again. FUCK.
>>216932928The fun part about the hair connection is that you both feel everything the other person feels, so you will always be aware of how good it feels for her and she'll know exactly how it feels for you to be taken by her
>>216932952And you feeling her feel you cum is gonna make you cum even more, AND SHE FEELS THAT TOO, WHICH YOU ALSO FEEL, so it's like one of those zero energy machines that just goes round and round forever...
>>216932980Pretty sure Cameron had this idea way back in the day when he wrote Strange Days
>>216930972Kek
it'd be nice if the next movie (if it ever comes out) doesn't make the human leadership look hopelessly incompetent
>>216933038Parker's dad is going to assume direct control
>>216932928>let the fire burn for a while then put it out and lick your balls>then put it outLame. The fire needs to stay there on her tongue so that she can see me squirm and squeal every time the tip of her tongue follows the scrotal raphe lining my balls in an inferior to superior motion.
>>216930684why did Cameron mack her cover up her Double D's?
>>216932928>make you cum again...and again...and again. FUCK.But I'd do that anyways. No connection required.
>>216930867I hope Jake gets to watch
>>216932928
>bites bullet
>>216932928>>216932952>>216932980
Post leaks for 4-5 please
>>216934546>You wish to serve me?This was the moment thousands of HFYniggers prostrated and begged Varang for penitence.
>>216934659what is happening in that image?
>>216934570Nei will visit Earth in 5Probably they will seed Earth with Eywa to save its biosphere, so that humans leave Pandora alone.
PINKSKIN FUCKING SHITS GO BACK TO YOUR SHITHOLE PLANET
Did we miss out on peak?
>>216935983I think we missed out on peak.
>>216930867>HISSS!>Me-ow! Kitty didn't get her din din?!
ok just watched it and gg cameron it only took you two decades but you finally made a na'vi that resonates with my penisother than that the movie was meh I guess, honestly they could have cut an hour from both 2 and 3 and just combine them into one movie
>>216932113>RETURN OF THE KING>5 minutes of Eagles, 10 minutes of the king returning>rest is the same Rohan horsies TV spot with the same antagonists and 1h battle to rescuz the same hobbits, in the same place
honestly they could have added an hour to both 2 and 3 and just make an eight hour movie for me
>>216935914Neyney hates your pink little hands.
>>2169345704>about 25% has been filmed already>there will be an 8 year timeskip>James says it's going to be his magnum>this is the movie he's been building up to from the moment he decided to make sequels>the culmination of everything he wants to say about family, the environment, spirituality>will be darker than previous movies>will be able to be viewed as a standalone epic>Michelle Yeoh will play a human character5>Neytiri will go to EarthThat's everything that Jim has said about them
>>216936355>will be darker than previous movies> Neytiri will suffer so, so, soooo much
Seriously why does Cameron keep making these? Nobody is asking for these
The fourth film will focus on Kiri. I wonder if there will be a time gap, and if so, what will her children be like?
>>216936355>5>Neytiri will go to EarthGet your hands off me! You dirty ape!>it can talk, it can talk, it can talkI can be bre~eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!
>>216934659I can spot the footfag in that picture
>>216936489There will be an 8 year time skip.
>>216932065>he said>you know you will feel thirsty when your body wants you to drink water, right?Then he was retarded. The feeling of thirst is a warning sign. You are already dehydrated by that point.
>>216936510Ohhhhh help me Dr Zaius.
>>216936355I hope Disney suits at least greenlight the 4th movie. I need to see Varaang one more time.
>>216936638What's wrong with me?>I think you're a psychopathI want a second opinion!>You're also a cat!
>>216930684I finally got around to watching FaA for the first time today. I'm still thinking about it, and I only have my phone here, so I won't type out a review.But I liked it more than 2, which was dumb and boring. 3 had a more sensible story, a tighter pacing and better action. And my wife Varang was very sexy. Sadly FaA just turned into WoW2 eventually. More boring sea people and more inane whales.I liked the Ash Clan a lot. They finally added some much needed diversity and internal conflict to the navi. And the humans finally did what they should have done day 1: Make native allies and win auxillaries by giving them guns to fight their native rivals. The evil corporation should have tried to court some navi just for the utility of it. Native allies are how you win and hold far-away territory. The spanish armies conquering mesoamerica were like 90% aztec for example.https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_auxiliaries
>>216934659Many such cases
>>216930684I get why Disney green lit 5 of these because they make money, but why of all things, is James Cameron making 5 Avatar movies of all things?Is he that much of an environmentalist?
>>216937289It sure is a mystery, oh enlighened one! Now off you go, back to your marvel supercomicman 36!
>>216932113It's almost like the reef village is the home of all the protagonist characters or something, and it's a continuation of the story from the previous film.
>>216937169I agree, I thought it was much better than TWOW. At least I certainly enjoyed it more. The climax being literally identical to the previous one though (Sully family storming a whaling boat where Quaritch is holding a kid hostage before it all ends in a fistfight between Jake and Quaritch) was very odd. Probably my only complaint was that I was so aware of it being identical that it kind of took me out of the moment.
Give Tuk a gun
>>216937399The second movie was a continuation of the first and all said characters changed their home in that movie, what are you even trying to say
At least in the 6 hours of way of water and fire and ash they never had any lines close to “I don’t like girls” like fucking gayer things. Idk why reddit and twitter hates these movies probably just fags
>>216937289This is just what he's dreamed of making.
>>216930896You got kidney stones bub. You'll enjoy passing the stones very soon.
>>216937368I'd rather he made a completely original movie.These movies are just rehashes of each other. 2 & 3 are especially egregious.
>>216937422Yeah, that was strange. But Cameron seems to really, really love having Quarritch capture children and taunt Jake over the phone. He repeats that ad naseam.The ending of TWoW was just hillarious: It was a revolving door of a million kids getting constantly captured and recaptured in different groupings. At the end they even got captured by the wreck lol.And then those dumb kids get captured again and again in FaA. It just got tiresom to watch.
>>216937453It's one story, not an anthology where each film is about different biomes. They go back to their home from the first film as well. When a new place or a new character is introduced, they are there to stay and continue to have presence in the story. It takes some integrity to remember everything they introduce and treat it as a constant living place, rather than ditch everything in every movie. For example, Star Wars always forgot every planet existed when the movie ended because the next movie had to always show a different planet, different colour stormtroopers, different vehicles, because their priority was selling new action figures rather than telling a story with continuity.
>>216937422Not only its the same battle at the same place using the same kidnapped kids as narrative crutch, but its also solved with the same method as in the first movie, wild animals being directed against their enemies
>>216930684Is there a point to going back to the archives and read the older versions of this general? I avoided all spoilers until I saw the latest movie today.Was there actual discussion in here, or was it just shitposting like the joker ass rape generals?
>>216937597>It's one story, not an anthology where each film is about different biomes. But in the second movie they discover a new biome and thats what people most talked about. What it an anthology movie then?>Rather than telling a story with continuity.You can tell a story coherently even with changing biomes, what kind of argument is that
>>216937710Life's too short bro. Talking points include Quaritch memes, varang lust, WITNESS ME suicide bomber, theorizing where the next movie is going to be going, ragging on the shallow plot and how similar it is the way of water with kidnapping kidnapping kidnapping. Just ask and anons will regurgitate what they think.
What are the best physical editions of the Avatar films?
>>216937597>not an anthologyThey really have trouble understanding this kek
>>216937710Yes, go back and get all the webms and fun memes
>>216937435No, the other gun!
>>216937758A literal quote from Jake in the end of the second film is "We are sea people now". He spent about 15 years living in the forests, now he has spent a few weeks-months living in the reef. He has no reason to leave that place permanently, and if they made up a reason to get Jake to go live in the fire place it would just evaporate any impact or meaning from the events of the second film.When watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy, did you complain when 1/3 of the Return of the King is focused around characters and places introduced in The Two Towers and that they didn't completely ditch all Rohan characters and locations? Or that the battle of Minas Tirith plays out almost exactly like Helm's Deep, and both even end the exact same way with the Rohirrim showing up?>You can tell a story coherently even with changing biomes, what kind of argument is thatYes, but you don't have to, unless your audience are a bunch of little kids who need shiny new keys jingled in their faces every 5 minutes or they get bored.
>>216937832I'm hoping they make a good trilogy set next year, so I held off on buying any physical version of The Way of Water.
abatap news? he coming back or what?
>>216938035In part 4, the sea peoples will be genocided in retaliation for killing the general and the human fleet. Finally Jake's family will move somewhere else
>>216938035>Or that the battle of Minas Tirith plays out almost exactly like Helm's Deep, and both even end the exact same way with the Rohirrim showing up?Yes thats indeed a very common complaint people have about the movie
>>216930867the way she gets ready to shoot her bow is so tuff
>>216938186I think this is already in the process of happening. Both the 2nd and 3rd films showed see people villages being burned, and it's implied the pace of destruction only picked up after the ash people got involved.
>>216938606*sea* people
>>216932590anon…
>>216937554He probably just likes playing with the aesthetics as those are practically the main focus anyways.And sexy cat girls, those are important too.
>>216938713What foul magics did Cameron discover in the depths?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxyx-e1Dk_gIf anyone's interested, they modded Kerbal Space Program to have the ISV and shuttle and fly down to a Pandora-looking forest
>>216932024>I didn't like 3 as much as I liked 2. There was barely any worldbuilding or exposition.3 felt like way of water part 2
>>216939057Yes, that's how sequels work. Return of the Jedi was Empire Strikes Back 2. Good Job.
>>216939205
>>216939255Bitch be like Miss Havesham over here
>>216938998He is a discipline of the old gods that sleep under de sea.
>>216939043
We need Cameron to go to Europa and dive the ocean there to find alien life
>>2169387132 billies HYPE
>>216938713word of mouth is going absolutely crazy everybody and their mom is experiencing major FOMO
>>216938713Varang saved the movie. Cameron may as well change his plans for the sequel.
>>216938713
>>216938713I don't know why these movies being mega-hits is in the least surpising. Just in terms of sheer spectacle and immersive experience they are so far beyond other big-budget, CGI heavy movies it's comical. It's not even comparable. They're the only movies since The Lord of the Rings that have fully leveraged the entirety of modern filmmaking's ability to make viewers feel like they're in another world.
>>216940975Correct. Fellowship of the Ring is the last thing to come close.
>>216937832Both will set you back about $110.
Should I go and see it again? Saw it a week ago and had mixed feelings about it. I enjoyed parts of it but thought it was all over the place. Will I get more from a second viewing?
>>216941547>but thought it was all over the place.it is, and I felt the same as you. I plan to see it again
>>216941451>feel what its like to have a vagina Jake
>>216941361>18 hours of bonus materialfuuuuuu
https://youtu.be/PlY_Bq-ZIhY?si=kXk8MInVnhrvNzxk
>>216941547Yes, and take a different date this time
>>216941547In same boat. Why not. I don't think I will because it's just too long. I want to see those actions scenes again but I can't justify spending a day off for that. I'll just get a rip for my at home screen. I dont even like 3D.
Jake failed as a father, all three boys he raised turned out to act like wiggers, he should be ashamed.
>>216930684why dont people post varangs final battle look? so the advertising has varang very present but shes not in the movie very much. i dont think jake even acknowledges her existence. they should have had a flashback sequence where her tribe gets foresaken by eywa and the volcano btfos them-quaritch should have been killed and have varangs tribe be the big threat, shes the only character we get and the rest of her tribe are npcs-we dont see the water tribe leader react to his wife and son die. we just cut to him happy with his new baby
>>216941765When you have parents from two different cultures, they attach themselves to others outside their household. Trust me bro, i have a phd in bullshit.
How was your bladder holding up bros? I was already itching for a piss an hour in. I just wasnt built for these long haul movies. They need to bring intermissions back.
>>216941854Just pee whenever the scene takes place in the Water Tribe.
>>216941854you can just piss on the theater floor, the pee gives and the pee takes. Piss connects all things, life to death, darkness to light.
>>216941854I went before it started, but I still ended up having to go near the end, when Kiri trying to talk to Eywa again.
>>216941765That's the fate of all zoomies
>>216941854I saw it in a water tank for extra immersion and to be like my idol: Trinity. Just go, bro.
>Varang discovers sky people military>asking Quaritch for the stuff she sees>greatly unhappy the RDA won't build her working copies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX5-RzJNPTk
So when's the third movie planned?3 got pushed back a year, is 4 gonna be the same?
>>216942436Yes, 2030. Which will be the next time I go to a theater if they're still around.
>>216941258Oona so cute!
>>216941854I pissed twice during the movie. When I returned to my seat I asked the three Fillipino teenagers sitting behind me if I missed anything important.
>>216939255>tfw your adopted daughter falls for the pinkskin freak
>>216942601But anon she fucks one herself.
>>216942666She's kind of in denial about that until Jake calls her out on it.
>>216942666>But anon she fucks one herself.neyney is a typical hypocrite chud
Just got back from the theater. The first half was really good. I thought each character dealing with the grief and guilt of Neteyam was handled well. Neytiri had some good scenes after being sidelined in the second movie. Everything with Quaritch and Varang was good. The second half of the movie was shit. It seemed like a bunch of leftover rehashed sequences from the second movie. The editing in the final battle was kind of bad. Characters were just teleporting around, so I never knew where anybody was or what they were doing.Also, that scene where Quaritch was teaching Varang how to use the flamethrower was so fucking hot. The way she was giggling and took him back to the tent for 8 foot tall blue people sex.
>>216942563tell me you didnt miss neytiris tits?
>>216942512>Yes, 2030fuck are you for real? I like these movies but who knows what the world is gonna be like in 5 years.
>>216941854I dehydrated myself before. The only liquid I took earlier was cereals with milk, which stays in longer I belive.
>>216942734>>216942666>woman is a hypocriteyeah
>>216942727She was fine with it until the never-ending suffering breathed life onto those types of fiery feelings making them an inferno
>>216942824lol same. I didn't drink any water for like 3 hours before hand, except a few sips right before the movie started.Also chewed gum.
>>216942380wtf is the context of this? Is that real or fake?
>>2169424364 is scheduled for 2029 and 5 for 2031. They haven't started them yet but they already filmed about 25% of 4 along with 2 and 3
>>216943001It's real, and she's just talking about being in the water filming scenes and not having to get out to pee
Reminder that the song is about them and not jaketiri
>>216943033It feels like this movie was a collection of scenes rather than a movie like it was storyboarded instead of written. Hopefully they will put a better narrative in the 4th movie.
>>216943108A lot of this movie felt like things that were left on the cutting room floor from Way of Water.
>>216943170100% it doesI'm throughly convinced that the majority of avatar 3 final fight came from the scenes that were supposed to go into avatar 2's final fight. Like for example that part where the entirety of water tribe's army inexplicably vanished out of nowhere in the middle of the fight
I think something that undermines Avatar's environmental message is that the Na'vi have a connection to their environment that is simply not an option to us. Their goddess actually exists, and directed the development of life in Pandora in an harmonious manner, to the point were they literally share thoughts and feelings at a collective level. Humans, in comparison, are cosmic orphans, product of the brutal, indifferent process of evolution. Our destructive tendencies are not an aberration to the natural order, they are Earth's natural order, where species compete brutally, where any ecological equilibrium is merely emergent behavior, not the intention behind life (there's none)Under my reading humans are tragic characters at an irreversible (save a few human collaborators) level. We are damned souls by no fault on our own, forever isolated from each other and our environment. A sort of cosmic Calvinism.
>>216943305>>216943170>>216943108Cameron said he planned them as one movie and then split it into two which explains a lot. So 4 should be better. Although I'm a little curious what the 8-year time jump will look like.>>216943077>>216942380>she will be 19 when Avatar 4 comes outso... they're going to turn Tuk into the new sex symbol right?
>>216943602Cameron will make Eywa real. He will have an organic AI take over the world and become it's benevolent caretaker.
>>216943305So what happened? That means he must have scrapped the original ending of 3 for some reason if he decided to cobble it together from cut TWOW footage
>>216943697Pure speculation on my part, but it seems like when these were one movie, it would have just kept the ending of Way of Water. When Cameron split the movie in two, he added the Ash clan stuff, and then used leftover ideas to pad out the second half of the movie.
Do you think Varang watches the bridgehead landings on repeat?
I bet in avatar 4 or 5 Varang and Quaritch will have a child and it will cause a conflict with Spider on whether he should accept this new sibling
Why didn't the ash people just fly 5 minutes to the lush jungle and live there?
>>216943882They need to redesign Spider and give him some clothes. Guy looks like a youtuber who comped himself into the movie. I bet he narrates the next movie though.
>>216943882Varang saw Eywa when Kiri mindraped her, and will probably have a crisis of faith. I imagine this will conflict Quaritch
Just heard my Millennial neighbor shout out the window "I WILL NEVER HAVE VARANG OR PANDORA" and jump to his death from the flat above mine (I'm on the 10th floor). This Pandora withdrawal syndrome is getting out of control.
>>216943953its Kiri thougheverbeit
>>216943971Cameron should be imprisoned for all the deaths he's causing
>>216943880Yes. And she schlicks while doing it.
>>216941797>i dont think jake even acknowledges her existencehe tells Quaritch to tell his girlfriend to back off or something like that. He's one to talk though!
>>216944376>Jake, I owe you an apology. Being blue is pretty damn awesome. And this local tail is something else!
>>216943305>I'm throughly convinced that the majority of avatar 3 final fight came from the scenes that were supposed to go into avatar 2's final fight. Like for example that part where the entirety of water tribe's army inexplicably vanished out of nowhere in the middle of the fightThat was exactly my thoughts too when I saw it. In hindsight A2 is just a cut down half of a movie. And then Cameron made that movie again with A3, just better this time. >I think something that undermines Avatar's environmental message is that the Na'vi have a connection to their environment that is simply not an option to us. Their goddess actually exists,That is true. But I wonder if Cameron sees it like that. I know nothing of the man's religious belives, but the hippy movement was big on "new age" stuff and believed in spiritual unity with nature etc. It's possible that Cameron and some of his fans see that whole Eywa thing as an actual, real road for humanity. This reminds me that Frank Herbert (author of Dune) based Jessica and the Bene Gesserit on his own wife, who he genuinely belived had magic powers and could read the future. His son Brian talks about this in the intro to the second (?) book. I personally would love it if there was a dark twist to eywa: She's a fungal hivemind that has mind controled a whole planet and wants to spread to earth to control that one too. Perhaps eywa isn't even native to pandora, but arrived on an asteroid. But I'm not sure Cameron would ever do something like that.
>>216943602Avatar isn't about self-flagellation. The na'vi aren't aliens; they're us. They're capable of everything that we are and we're capable of everything that they are. Humans have now been shown to be capable of breathing on Pandora, growing a kuru, romantic relationships with na'vi, and fully communing with Eywa. Na'vi have been shown to be fully capable of rejecting Eywa and being consumed by hatred, physical lust, and spiritual lust for power, dominance, and ownership. It's why Kiri told Spider that he's perfect just the way he is. The soul is what matters.
>>216941765Jake genuinely treats Lo'ak like he's a subordinate and blames him for getting Netty killed and seems to leave Tuk to her own devices. Only kid he tries to do some parenting with is Kiri. He's an awful father
>>216944568He also never apologize for vocalizing to his son that he killed his brother. He just says "Eh you did that when even I couldnt, you managed to be useful after all. Now help me and on the double
Help me out guys. Give me the pros and cons of going to see this againPro>neytiris nips>Varang is cool>my life sucks and i want to stay in pandoraCons>shit story with nothing substantial added to the world>action scenes are rehashes >i need to piss every 45 mins
>>216943970Varang never believed Eywa didn't exist though, only that Eywa was weak and worshipped by weaklings. She wasn't ready to get out-mindraped by a teenager though and did what all na'vi do when they run into opposition, run away.
>>216944547Avatar 3 is about civic nationalism boomer vs race realist zoomer
>>216944729>Varang never believed Eywa didn't exist though, only that Eywa was weak and worshipped by weaklings.True, but she probably got offered reconciliation by Eywa or some shit, which freaked her out
>>216944814its about family ok
>>216930684I wish they had done something a bit more original with the Ash People. Right now they are just normal Navi who fly around but who hunt other Navi. What if there was actually a real world function for them cutting of other navis kurus.I had this idea of re imaging them as a nomadic mongol like tribe of Navi that used cut of kurus to dominate creatures that normally would be way to big and agressive for Navi to bound with. But by comining the cut of kuru with their own they get actually stronger and can dominate t-rex or king kong size alien creatues and use them for war. also i would have given them metal working tools, that way they actually use fire for more then just burning things. basically just make them like navi orcs
>>216944568>>216944655I was actually wondering about that. Are we as the audience supposed to think Jake is a shitty dad? Or did Cameron just portray normal US-american family life?
>>216944971The Eywa laws state that navis cant make wheels or iron objects, the natural development for the fire tribe would have been for them to have roads, metal spears and armors
>>216944971James Cameron ran out of ideas to steal from 50s-70s sci fi novels.
>>216944568because Lo'ak keeps disobeying his orders and keeps endangering his siblings. in avatar 2 that happen like 3 or 4 times.Kiri meanwhile actually does what she is told and also doens't fuck up.
>>216944568Jake tries to have Lo'ak protect Tuk, which Lo'ak constantly runs away from.>>216944655Lo'ak himself says he killed his brother and he'll have to live with that. Jake was fine saying it because the little bitch Lo'ak needed to admit it. Lo'ak earlier in the same movie almost got his brother killed and still treated it lightly. He was going to keep fucking around until he permanently found out.
>>216944982no he's definitely painted as being in the wrong and struggling to raise his kids right. Neytiri tells him in both movies that she doesn't approve of him treating his sons as soldiers
>>216945034The Ash people are in the very first generation. Varang is the first leader because her parents and elders all died. It's not like they will immediately develop metallurgy and know the best ways to use everything they never did before.
idk guys I'm not feeling it>contrived reason why Jake has to leave to go to the sea people in 2>because he's now a "guest" we have to go through all these motions of him being a wet blanket and the kids getting into "shouldn't be doing that" hijinks">Neytiri is barely a character in 2 and also just a wet blanket>constant lame moments of Jake shutting everyone down because they're guests>nooo I can't be a leader and a savior for everyone I gotta lay loooow>movie 3 rolls around>Jake and Neytiri still wet blankets constantly bitching and moaning>grand culmination of the movie is to go back to the ending of movie 1 and Jake deciding to lead instead of being a bitchit's lame forced dramanone of the characters even had any meaningful development. the same Jake that embraced being a leader and a savior in 1 is reduced to being a mopey bitch. Neytiri went from a proud warrior to some hag just walking around nagging and back talking.instead we have all these CUZ and BRO kids getting captured and recaptured and lost like 20x over
>>216945144Yes but they didnt have to be the first generation, you know.. it was a design choice, and while like everyone else I loved Varang, I didnt care much for the rest of the tribe
>>216945137That's how "they want you to think", but the movie lessons are blatantly stupid and ignorable. Lo'ak is a dipshit and needs a good smack in the face. Neytiri's whining that Jake should be softly directly led to Lo'ak continuing to do that same idiotic shit until Neteyam died. Same with the dumb Tulkun message about violence just leading to more violence blah blah that's drawn out for two whole movies. Shut up and fight back already.
>Avatar 2 - "NOW WE FIGHT!">Avatar 3 - "I DONT WANT TO BE TORUK MAKTO"This movie has singlehandedly numbed my excitement for the rest of the series.
>>216945323In the second one he fights, then, renounces fighting, then fights again to rescue his kids, then by the next movie he renounced fighting again
>>216945174also another thing that's been bothering me..In A1 Jake went through not only a bodily change and adapting to customs and a new way of life and thinking but it was also a spiritual awakening. but in the sequels that part of his character has been completely shut down and offloaded to Kiri.In a typical mythic story of this part he would be the one in a unique position to communicate with Eywa and plead for help, but Kiri is the one doing all that. Meanwhile Jake, who was very receptive to a new way of life and new spirituality in A1 has that part of his character completely erased. now he's just some "combatant" dude frowning all the time. there is no spirituality left in him. a vestige of that is the moment where he stays his hand from killing Spider, but even then it feels like an afterthought (spider was not really in any danger at all). just feels like between A1 and progressing the story Cameron decided to not make Jake the "messiah" character and offloaded that to Kiri. there are no meaningful conversations even between Jake and Kiri.
>>216944971Doing anything more intricate with the Ash people would have ment to conceptualize them as an old tradition and established way of life. But what Cameron went for was to make them a recent new development. Varang transformed her people when she "was a little girl". I don't know how old na'vi can get and how they age, but I doubt that was more than 50 years ago. Cultures can transform very quickly though. The horse nomad culture of the plains indians - that dominates the modern image of native americans - only lasted about 150 years: From the adoption of nomadism in the 1750s to their full submission to the US state by the 1890s. So in historical terms actually rather short-lived. I hope we didn't see the last of the ash people. They didn't look that numerous and a lot of them died in the movie. Having "evil", eywa-hating and industrializing navi would be cool for the next movies.
>>216945411Jake has been abandonned, its all on Quaritch going full native Dukat-style now
>Sir, why are you going native?>Nigga I'm horny
Did Cameron forget about Varang in the finale? She just stands around shouting FIRE FIRE DEATH FIRE like fucking Beavis. I was waiting for a dual fight with her and neytiri and jake and quaritch
>>216945411None of that is true. Jake is chosen by Eywa, but doesn't ever have any special powers beyond being able to ask her for assistance. Same as the other Na'vi really. They ask Eywa to transfer Grace and Jake. He asks Eywa to help in the fight. There's never any guarantee help will come. In the intervening decades it's easy to see Jake not asking Eywa for anything beyond talking to ancestral spirits. Humans are back and destroy the forest, there's no reason to expect Eywa can do anything to them beyond just attacking far out patrols. Kiri has Grace's soul inside her which passed through Eywa. She can't help but feel the connection at all times. She can do things Jake never could nor any Na'vi. Jake and Kiri talk about Kiri's reaction to all of that since it's overwhelming. She feels alone since everybody treats her poorly due to it, but she can constantly feel Eywa and it feels strong. Again, Jake was only a warrior chosen because he would defend the Na'vi. He wasn't given any special powers to control Eywa like Kiri. He could only ever request it do something about the invading humans. Kiri and Jake's roles will likely play a part in the fourth movie even when more about Eywa is revealed.
>>216945472>but I doubt that was more than 50 years ago.I got the impression it happened like 15 years before avatar 2/3. Varang is like 25
>>216945472They're totally coming back. Varang is alive and Cameron pointedly wanted you to know that they set up a settlement inside Bridgehead City.
I've seen people talk about a possible redemption ark for Quaritch but we've yet seen any hint of remorse from him about all the violence and suffering he inflicted on people. The only person he cares about is that annoying little shit Cameron is forcing down our throat and their relationship development is genuinely terrible with terrible dialogue, SW prequel level
>>216945646No? Varang fought Neytiri and Kiri saved her mother. Kiri's use of Eywa powers scared Varang into shitting herself so she sneaked away embarrassed.
This is the only thing i could think about during the end of the movie.
>>216943033So 4 and 5 are supposed to come back-to back similar to 2 and 3? I really hope we get some more avatar media before 2029, I don't want to have to wait for so long.
>>216945711I was hoping there would have been more progress with this in 3 since we've already had a full movie of Navi Quaritch hunting Jake. We need Quaritch to squash the beef with Jake before he can begin to atone, and I don't think all of that is going to happen in 4 at this rate.
>>216945652Kind of seems like Eywa is setting them up for leadership of the Na’vi as a whole. Jake as the ultimate Olo'eyktan and Kiri as the ultimate Tsahik.
>>216945765Well, little zoomie, better get used to it. These are big event movies like star wars used to be. This is how it used to feel waiting for them since they take time to make. Maybe they'll put out more comics to tide you over.
>>216945765Yes Cameron is going to film them together. What makes me worried is how long post-production on 2 and 3 was. Unless they get a lot faster with the computers then they have to wrap filming no later than December 2027 for a 2029 release. That seems really ambitious considering how long it took to film 2 and 3.
>>216945826Quaritch will never atone. The redemption theory is stupid. Quaritch should have died in this one, but he'll obviously just be leading the evil tribe next movie.
>>216945765>I really hope we get some more avatar media before 2029The Avatar Frontiers of Pandora game had a DLC recently, and it takes place after Fire and Ash, and it's canon.You see more of the Mangkwan Clan
>>216945174>none of the characters even had any meaningful development.The movie wrapped all the conflicts introduced in Way of the Water.>Spider is embraced by everyone>Neytiri stops being a racist bitch>Kiri accepts herself and contacts Ewya>Loak earns his father's trust>the whales decide to defend themselves
>AND THEN EYWA SAVED THE DAY AGAIN AND THE ANIMALS ATTACKED AGAIN AHHHHthey’ve done this three times now lmaoIs Cameron out of ideas? All three films have ended with the planet sending a swarm of gribblies to help. Boring.
>>216945732I'm sure all of this is fine :)Join Eywa
>>216945939>>Neytiri stops being a racist bitchehh, she accepts that Spider deserves to live and that she shouldn't secretly hate her own children. She still hates skydemons
>>216945034>The Eywa laws state that navis cant make wheels or iron objects, The rules are extraneous to the movies, but they state:>You shall not set stone upon stone.>Neither shall you use the turning wheel.>Nor use the metals of the ground. I've been overthinking these for a while now. The first and third rules are straight forward. But I'm not sure the second one works: How do you forbid wheels to people who are not supposed to know about wheels. Wheels are not natural objects. You need to know what a wheel is to avoid it. So na'vi need to build wheels so they can point out to children: This is a wheel, don't build them! Or maybe it's a bit like old testament law, where god forbids a lot of things to eat, and for some of those words we don't know anymore what they meant. (Which makes jews freak out that they might be eating something their god does not want them to kek). I also wonder: If the na'vi are these peaceful, harmonious people, then why do they have the status and institution of "warriors"? Remember how when Jake learns to ride a flying fish, the others tell him "this is a warrior's mount".
>>216945881He'll better embrace AI
>>216944971It'd have been more interesting to introduce a Father God of the Navi people, a God that encourages them to conquer, expand and embrace industrialisationThe Ash people are just vodou niggers
>>216945939>Kiri accepts herself and contacts EwyaCan somebody explain why everyone sucks Ewya off so much? She’s completely retarded and inconsistent. She has the power to command armies of natural creatures and create a synaptic heaven realm but not enough power to stop the volcano that destroyed the ash tribes jungle? She wasn’t strong enough to prevent human colonization? But she’s strong enough to connect everything on the planet? Her interference has no rules. She just acts as a deus ex Machina. She’s either completely amoral and arbitrary or just a robot with no ability for self awareness.As far as deities go she fucking sucks. You don’t think anyone else on the planet was begging for her help prior to Kiri? Laughable
>>216945890I think it's being set up so he'll eventually atone. Or at the very least, make a self-sacrifice or something in the last momentJake constantly talks to him about the deeper secrets to the Navi, and how that is more important than the current goals of humans, i think eventually that'll get to him
>>216946022Remember the first movie where Jakes kills its first animal as an avatar and Neytiri has this whole 2 minutes ritual because every death is important even though this beast just attacked them, but then after that they just slaughter countless people and beasts and its just yiyiyuiyiyiyi chants and nobody cares anymore
>>216946036ToT
>>216946036Uoh
>>216945939>Loak earns his father's trustI thought this was pretty weak in the movie. I thought he was going to open his heart up to Lo'ak in a dedicated scene and say that he's sorry that all of this has been thrust on him at such a young age and that Neteyam's death is something Jake has to bear, not his younger brotherInstead it was like a 10 second scene where Jake is like "I trust you, you're my wingman now"
>>216931549are you?it was a meme from Americans who traveled to Europe and were surprised at the lack of public water fountains and free water at restaurants like we have here in the US. Idk I guess us Americans just got used to being able to drink water whenever we wanted.>>216932065>you know you will feel thirsty when your body wants you to drink water which is why you don't need to have easy access to waterlol Euros are fucked
>>216946036>tell the guy that killed Skynet to embrace AI
>>216946115Nigger, how exactly do you expect her to prevent a fucking volcano? She exerts causal power via her neurological linkage with the flora and fauna, not via supernatural divinity.
>>216946115You're really stupid kek. So it makes sense that you're arrogant and think you understand everything while being so blatantly ignorant.
>>216945881He can film both movies in 2026. Filming is fast and I don't think there will be a lot of underwater scenes this time.
It’s really cool how Jake’s personality completely resets at the start of every film in the series. He’s a legit blank slateThis nigga has the emotional consistency of a schizophrenic. And Neytiri is just a unlikable bitch lmao.
How many Squidrays do you guys think are necessary to take down an Akula?Keep in mind about the Squidrays...>"During hunts, they communicate with other members of their pack using bioluminescent chromatophores which contain millions of pigment cells. When “chattering”, they can give spectacular displays of color that confuse or disorient prey. These pigments can also be used for camouflage."
>>216946215You do get free water in the UK, and I think(?) across Europe in a restaurant but you have to specifically request it.It's a legal requirement here.But water fountains are fairly rare and only sometimes seen on school grounds or college grounds and stuff.
>>216946236>She exerts causal power via her neurological linkage with the flora and faunaThe conflict of every film could have been solved if she directly interfered sooner rather than waiting for the massive battle of each movie being fought by her followers. Instead she consistently waits for masses of Na’vi to die first every time rather than being proactive
>>216946115As far as the Volcano bit goesAssume we view Eywa as some type of organic supercomputer and all living pandoran organisms are capable of receiving commands from her. This is like a wifi/bluetooth capable computer accessing a drone or a smart car. A computer can't tell those things to open or shut a door. It can't do that itself either.Volcanos are caused by magma. Magma comes from the planet's core. It is fiery, inorganic rock. Eywa has no control over this. Likewise Eywa has no control over human landing craft. Or humans. Or the machine they use. Different hardware and different receivers.
I would gladly betray humanity to protect this smile.You're gay if you wouldn't, by the way. Reminding you just so that we are in the same page.
>>216946343Bitch it's a computer, it doesn't do stuff you don't ask for and if you don't ask it right it wont do shit either
>>216946280A couple dozen maybe?
I fully believe Cameron has lost all touch with reality and is only obsessed with Tech now. Look at the 4k remasters he did for his old movies where he tried to suck all natural colour out of them. His characters have no progression because it would interfere with his vision of the world. His movies are gonna get more shallow and artificial as he gets older. Hes become Skynet.
>>216946406no oto old now
Reminder that Na'vi have itty bitty dicks and that the hybrids are straight hangin' dong comparatively
>>216946474That's the way it goes, look at what Ridley Scott shits out now
>>216946406I would gladly betray humanity to protect this smile. >>216944376
>>216946115First of all, the concept of reincarnation exists, as well as some form of afterlife. Death is not the end. Death is simply part of the natural process.Ewya is a balancing force, bringing return to harmony for the people, not getting involved every time shes called upon, only when it matters. She lets the creatures continue with their existence, to participate in creation, and intervenes only when the harmony of things is severely threatenedKiri is "special" in that she can compel Ewya to take a more active role in creation
>>216946280Not that many I think because the squids are very fast and nimble. If they manage to hold onto the back half of the akula there's not much the akula could do about it. The akula is much larger and seems to have armored plates so several squids attacks its back half would still take a while to take it out.
>fiery duel amid a flaming sea arena >child hostage scene>Colonel captures Spider scene>Kiri talks to Computer scene >Neytiri is a shallow cunt >Jake completely forgets he is Warrior Jesus and suddenly doesn’t want to defend Pandora anymore.>Jake makes dumb decisions that get people captured >the whales are idiots>Computer God wins the battle for them>woah guys here’s a quirky new tribe It’s just the second film again
>>216945861>better get used to itnigger, I waited 13 years for avatar 2, and I would rather not do it again.>These are big event movies like star wars used to beand recent star wars is abysmal dogshit, what an awful comparison to make. Episode 1-2-3 came out in the span of 6 years, and there was a shitload of complementary media released between the movies. With avatar we have nothing.>>216945914>The Avatar Frontiers of Pandora game had a DLC recentlyDLC with loose ties to the first movie. Too bad the game is ubislop. If it were made by any other developer, I would consider playing.
>well, sir, upon the first sighting of the Na'vi, I naturally gave the order to advance>that's my style, sir>RDA aviation crossed into the Tulkun communal ground and engaged the enemy
>>216946406What about this smile?
>>216930684With the reveal that Spider’s mom was a gunship pilot, is the implication supposed to be that his mother was that one Latina looking pilot chick who died fighting for Jake in the first film?
Remember fellas, don't ever bet against Cameron.
>>216946657No. Her last name was Soccorro and Neytiri killed her.
>>216946657No, that pilot was banging Norm, the goofy ass scientist, no joke
>>216946711The velocity is too low. I'm afraid he won't make it to 2 billies this time
The final battle was awesome but there were some missed opportunities.What have we already seen during battles throughout the series? Let's make a list.>arrow through cockpit>destroy/damage engine>toss gunship into floating rocks>toss gunship into other gunshipWhy wasn't the flux devil utilized at all? Throw a gunship towards it and show us how they can't get out even with the engines pushing at 100%. Show them getting pulled in and ripped apart in it and bursting into a column of fire.Show us how the Navi can use it to hide from missiles. Missiles trying to fly through it just get torn up in the magnetic field. Maybe they explode, maybe they get pulled up, maybe they get pulled apart. Whatever. Just show how it's significant before pulling in a ship at the very end when it's already over.Also the gunships were completely useless in general during that battle. I don't think they showed us even a single kill by a gunship.Also, showing us pic related get taken out by destroying a single engine is fucking bullshit. Even in the lore books it says that a Dragon can continue flying with one failed engine. Pissed me off.
>>216946715>Her last name was Soccorro and Neytiri killed her.This seems like something that should have been told to the audience as a point of conflict yes?
>>216946827At this point in the series, it really does not make any sense why they haven’t strengthened the cockpit glass or added covers to the spinning rotors. Navi arrows should not still be goin through the cockpits like paper years into the war. Change the design idiots.
>>216930684i just wanted to stop by to say nice general abbreviation. that's all, have a nice day.
>>216946886In the very first battle we see in Avatar 1 when Quaritch burns down the tree we see plenty of arrows going straight against the glass of his ship doing nothing while he sips his coffee
>>216946886I can forgive the glass not being arrowproof because those arrows are as thick as broomhandles and are shot during a fast dive at a pretty much perfect angle. There is MUCH more energy in one of those arrows than in a bullet.But yeah I wish the gunships had some rotor protection.
>>216946941The gunships are armored the 3d printed helicopters aren't
>>216946941Nonsense. During that scene all the Navi were on the ground and shot their arrows up. Not at all "straight against the glass". Pretty much the worst angle possible. Just a bunch of glancing strikes that could in no way do more than scratch the glass.
>goes whaling on alien deathworld>loses his arm to a single angry whale>decides to keep whaling>sees dozens of angry whales this time>sees whale destroy whaling ship needed to process whales>sees the sea crawling with hostile aliens>still decides to keep whalingWhat the fuck was his problem?
>>216946845No, it doesn't matter. It's only an interesting thing between Quaritch and his son and it was brought up when it needed to be.
>>216930684The RDF’s bizzare insistence on taking Jake alive is really crippling them. He would have died like five times by now if they were just willing to take the shot like normal people.Why do they even want him alive anyways? They scheduled his execution for the next morning in this film so it’s not like they were planning on torturing him for information or something. Why not just shoot him and be done with it?
How did Tonowari not get a scene reacting to Ronal's death and meeting his daughter
>>216946583I think it's just the third act that truly leaves that sour note. 2nd act was cool as hell with neytiri getting her man back and everything with Q and Varang.
>>216947062Because they were already coming in at over 3 hours so Tonowari decided to not have a reaction.
>>216947045The whale plot is genuinely so stupid. The soldiers cackling like evil cartoon villains as they gleefully prepared to murder a bunch of sentient baby whales was a little much right? Shit is comedy.
>>216930896Drink water you dehydrated freak
>>216947045He was a cheddar addict. That stuff will turn your brain to mush
>>216947098To be fair, the RDA probably selects very strictly who goes to Pandora to avoid another Jake Sully traitor situation that might threaten their entire operation. They probably select for sadistic psycho assholes who don't give a single shit about Pandoran life.
>>216947061To send a message to not only the humans but also the Navi. "We can capture him so think twice before you mess with us."
>>216947098>Why wasn't the flux devil utilized at all? Throw a gunship towards it and show us how they can't get out even with the engines pushing at 100%. Show them getting pulled in and ripped apart in it and bursting into a column of fire.Didnt they specifically say they go after elders because they carry more amrita? Besides in TWOW they show shots of babies crying to their dead mother so I assume they leave the baby whales alone, also this is how whalers are irl, they dont give a fuck.
>>216947061I think they said they'd take him dead or alive and it's just Quaritch who seems to really want him alive.
>>216930684It’s really incredible how low stakes these films are. Literally nobody important ever dies. Even in the second film the most boring son died and I didn’t care. Should have killed Neytiri off in the gypsy fight scene. Would have given Varang an actual win instead of just yelling I AM DA FIIIIRE. Ok.
>>216947061>They scheduled his execution for the next morning in this filmHe genuinely shouldn't have been able to escape and they knew that, so it was meant as a fun spectacle for the base population after such a long time being terrorized by Jake. They just didn't know that his ridiculously thick plot armor would cause three miraculous separate evens to conspire to rescue him. Neytiri getting in past the perimeter defense and exploding shit, Garvin turning traitor and breaking Jake out, Spider getting Quaritch's dogtags while not being watched and being able to escape his cell to be a shield for Jake. Their jaws must have been on the floor wondering how it all came together like that.
>>216947277Quaritch was going to kill him before the final battle in part 2. He says to hold off until Jake is closer because he doesn't want the Sea Na'vi to attack, but they'll kill Jake once he's on board.
>The plot has yet to progress at all beyond me fight jake
>>216947305>Their jaws must have been on the floor wondering how it all came together like that.
>>216947045The captain's mind was not on greedBut he followed the whaler's creed
>>216947098Hey, someone's gotta do the whale holocaust. Might as well enjoy it.
>>216947305To be honest there's not a single competent person on team Humans.And yes, I'm including Quaritch there as well.
So is it confirmed that the actual military has yet to arrive on pandora and its just a forward recon and basebuilders?
>Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him!
>>216947259Whalers are subhuman degens. The last group of confederates during the civil war were privateers hunting whaling ships to kneecap the north's whale oil industry. Look up the C.S.S. Shenandoah. Heroes, every one of them, even the australians.
>>216947346The plot has been the exact same since the first movie. It’s just >humans do comical evil>the actual Na’vi are too stupid to understand basic strategy and just smoke their peace pipes while whining about rules>Jake nuts up after an hour of bitching>duel scene >humans win the final battle until the planet send a horde of animals to carryEtc etc in a cycle I guess the whales were right this stuff really is a wheel going back and forth
We all know that this entire story ends as soon as Quaritch switches sides.Humans can't accomplish shit and he's their only main field operative. If he switches sides humans are cooked, chopped and done.
>>216947427Yes. They're mercenaries hired by a company. A lot are former military, but it's not the same.
>Humans BADWhen is this hack gonna try something new?
>>216947427No. There is no more fleet than what is shown in the movies. Earth has 12 ships that can get to Pandora, and that's it. Acting like there's some hidden fleet of Earth Star Destroyers on the way is retarded.
>>216947427Well just look at the breakdown of how humans operate on pandora>one military leader>one corpo leader>one whaler>Quaritchthat's their ENTIRE command of any kind. there's nothing else. at best it's a "camp". they have a lot of equipment and a lot of grunts and a lot of those building drones but that's it.
>>216930684I really wish we would get a Na’vi character who wasn’t completely retarded and reactionary about everything. The water tribe chief is kind of a prime example of this. He literally sees no problem sending away the one naval asset they have simply because the boomer whale pacifists don’t like him(how would they even force him into exile anyways? They can’t use violence so it’s unenforceable.)Varang is the only native we have seen wiling to actually learn things unironically. The rest just have no brain cells and rely on Jake to do everything for them because they are incapable of reacting to situations not written in their tradition.
>>216946715>>216946845Spider was clearly a later invention and retconned into the world. There's absolutely no hint or anything in the first movie that Quaritch has a gf and a baby son. I thought it was a dumb addition, there are way too many kids already.
>>216947529Humans bad, but human dick good. All the major female Na'vi characters love human men.
>>216947559That is why Varang is the best.
>>216947570Nah, it's a good addition. We didn't need to have another hour tacked on showing the Colonel's personal life. You'd just whine about the added length and how they want us to care about him more. He has a personal life, they do things outside the movie, that's good and added depth.
>>216947433Holy shit.
>>216947575
>>216947559What confuses me are those air merchants. It kinda implies a larger and more sophisticated trade structure with perhaps larger cities with developed commerce but all we see is huts and basket weavers.like how the fuck is it feasible to do long-distance trading if there is nothing these navi need apart from basic loincloths and shit they eat off the ground. they're spear chuckers, all of them. and yet these air merchants operate and even do so at the risk of losing their entire ship to a random attack (they mention it like it's a common occurrence). and then when Jake "calls the tribes" they're all spear chuckers still, we see nothing more advanced than thatwhat I'm saying is that it would be nice if there were greek city-state level polities of navi (still without the use of metal) but a bit more advanced in the social sense. the air merchants suggest that, but we haven't seen it in practice
>>216947490no, quaritch defects to the ash tribe and fights against both jake and the rdawhich should have happened at the end of this movie really. The conflict between quaritch and carmella was never properly resolved
>>216947650In the video game, one of the first tribes you meet is pretty proud of their dyes, so maybe that's the sort of thing they trade.
>>216947570Spider is most likely the product of a one night stand. Colonel was laying some pipe and probably didn't think much about it.
>>216947427"The Humans" on Pandora are a private corporation that has bought the rights to exploit this planet and ship its resources back to earth and sell them for shareholder profit. They have hired ptsd-ridden ex-military as mercenaries to play security. Anons rooting for "us humans" in this movie are fundamentally misunderstanding the story.
>>216947665The general is dead so that resolved itself. He’s gonna get promoted probably, or just take over by force. His face was all over the news as a war hero who was friends with “good natives”
>>216947697>In the video gamewhich one? the 2009 one was kino. The newest one is far cry Pandora
>>216930732>>216930684>>216947681
>>216931050Looks like a basic cat behavior.
>>216947718>The general is dead so that resolved itselftechnically yes, but I mean in terms of storytelling
>>216947550They're using Vietnam era weapon systems 150 years in the future. It's all just small arms and helicopters. They can't be using everything humanity has. 50 years from now in the real world large scale combat is going to look like the animatrix, let alone a century and a half from now
Sexy porn that I can’t post here.https://x.com/mommys_slu/status/1661994655976751104
>>216947650>>216947697Playing the canon video game, and the second tribe has cheese they process from milk.Yeah the Far Cry Pandora one. It's not too bad for me though as I didn't play Far Cry 6 (it looked bad) so last time I played Far Cry was 5
>>216947711While that is true they keep also saying that Earth is done and dying and Pandora is their only chance of survival as a species.It's just that they haven't gone all in yet, likely because RDA is trying to milk the profits. Eventually the RDA will be ousted for gross mismanagement and their contract terminated and then humanity will show up in force. It seems like the next step now that the general is dead. That's really bad PR and the continuous losses and fuckups will force a more direct approach.I think it's clear where this is headed.We had a small skirmish, then a larger one. Next step is humans show up in force and there is a "global" war of sorts and nukes are used (Cameron likes his nukes). Then the peace treaty is signed as Eywa intervenes (again). The end game is humans and navi cohabiting (Spider is the template for the new adapted humans) and Eywa's "seed" is sent to Earth to repair it (this will take thousands of years).
I am kinda worried about A4 and 5. I loved the final battles of 1 and 3 but they both ended with eywa sending help. A3 final battle was awesome but felt like a combined remix of a1 and a2. I am worried a4 and 5 might be the same again. what I would love is an actual war with several fronts. not just one large battle in one location but a war spanning a very large area. like many clans in many different locations. jake is the master general telling the leaders of the clans where to go and what to do and so on. like an actual planetary war. more war film than action film but of course still with insane action. a bit less focus on the Sully family and more on the war with the different clans and clan leaders etc.
>>216947799Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've not seen any homosexual Na'vi in the movies?
>>216947045People keep thinking the moral of A2 and A3 is about family and whales or some shit. They can't grasp the simple message James was putting out:>Australians are slovenly disgusting sociopaths
>>216947550>Earth has 12 ships that can get to PandoraThat was the case during the events of the first film. 16 years have passed since then.
>>216947551makes sense 2bh, on the other hand it would be a complete curb stomp if they brought an actual army so I can see why
>>216947427Actual militaries have training and equipment made to fight wars in Earth, against a completely different type of opponent in a completely different type of biome.There's isn't a powerful country preparing for war against the Na'vi, this is what humanity is realistically deploying given their economic interests and logistical constraints.
>>216947859Anyone who keeps thinking this is in for a sore disappointment kek. If such a thing were going to happen, it would have happened at the beginning of part 2. But please, by all means, keep waiting another four years pretending like a hundred Earth Battleships are on the way.
>>216947896Na’vi can’t be gay it’s not natural
>>216947823>>216947697My point is that the air merchants look and operate like there are far more advanced societies involved. Navi don't seem to really need milk from 500km away or dyes from another part of the planet. They seem overall more content with what they have and they live a frugal life subsiding off the land.The level of commerce that the air merchants suggest simply has no demand. And the risk is REALLY high since those raids pretty much wipe out their reasonably sophisticated trade vessels. A couple of those raids and your entire merchant fleet is gone. And the merchant leader mentions them like it's a common thing.
>>216947946You're right. I apologize. I will expect another whaling raid and be happy with it.
>>216947711 I'm seriously wondering why so many people miss this. The human forces in the final battle of the first film were mainly made out of miners with a small group of military personnel. It's why the ,, Humanity will exterminate the xenos 40k crowd '' come off as such illiterate retards. The people calling the shots on colonizing Pandora are moronic corpos and Nepo babies. No shit they make terrible decisions that not even the mentality challenged could come up with. The average blue collar waggie stuck on this shit hole planet could come up with a thousands solutions but none of them are going to be applied because the top brass knows better.
>>216947987>discover the only other habitable planet that's close to Earth>allow one corpo to bottleneck the colonization efforts with their stupid hijinks and mismanagement>apparently "Earth is dying"There's a lot of mixed signals there. If Earth was really "dying" then nobody would allow one corpo to dictate terms and fuck things up and everyone on Earth would be mobilizing to be shipped over.
>>216947987Because it was only true in the first movie. The second movie had a general and all the Earth could put into the effort. There is nothing more that they could send or they would have.
>>216947959Maybe, each clan has their own culture, they seem to follow tradition for the sake of tradition. So if they're a clan of Nomads, most of them will just be Nomadic.For the game a big part is about sharing their culture with other clans, and experiencing other things and different ways of life. Like the NPC's will talk about meeting a clan your character doesn't even know, and how they taught them to play a certain instrument. (From what I can recall)I haven't read any of the Avatar encyclopedias, but since the game is canon and they worked with Lightstorm Entertainment it's giving me a bigger insight into what Pandora actually is.It's a bit like the deleted scenes in Avatar 1, for some reason there's a lot of stuff being chopped out of the narrative that still took place. Like Neytiri's sister being killed and that's why she hates humans so much. (You can look up the deleted scenes on Youtube)It was later made canon with a comic, so it still happened in universe. I think it should have remained in the film though.
>>216947859>While that is true they keep also saying that Earth is done and dying and Pandora is their only chance of survival as a species.That's just RDA marketing to please shareholders. Like OpenAI saying how they will develop AGI and unleash the singularity or some shit.There's just no way you can realistically evacuate any non negligible amount of humanity to Pandora. If anything, it would be just a refugee for the super-rich, like IRL billionaires building bunkers in New Zealand. The Na'vi pose no real threat to humanity, and from the perspective of actual humans, not just a handful of super-rich individuals wanting an habitable space as insurance policy in another solar system, Pandora provides no escape for the crisis Earth is facing.
>>216947711>>216947987RDA is essentially Space Wagner. No wonder they're so shit
>>216930749People are horny for these space cats?
>>216947650The air traders are clearly a new invention for this movie who have been retconned to always have existed. As you said: There never was any indication (or even need) for long distance trade on Pandora. Remember how the water na'vi were flabbergasted by what forest na'vi looked like (different tails)? I'm a bit torn on them. On the one hand I would like for the na'vi to be more diverse. With some having city states, like you said. But the air traders didn't click for me. I think they just looked and felt very off. They build large, artificial structures with mechanical steering and mechanical weapons. They use animals in harnishes as draft animals. This is very different to what was previously established about the na'vi, but it's supposed to be an accepted, traditional way of life. I wouldn't mind na'vi like that, as I said, but it just clashes with the movies' vision so far. Sorry, it's very late where I live and I'm having troubles articulating my thoughts. Also, the way they were acted just felt off too. They were walking and talking like humans.
>>216947748I meant the newer one, Frontiers of Pandora.
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>>216947823I haven't gotten very far in it, but it's fun so far.
Anyone else think Spider was a bad actor?Clip unrelated
>>216948249Korea is horny for Jake?https://x.com/jeseoljagup/status/2004554826877948239
>>216948281
Yaoi body
>>216948349of course he has freakishly enormous hands that women like
>>216947045TO THE LAST I GRAPPLE WITH THEEFROM HELL'S HEART I STAB AT THEEFOR HATE'S SAKE I SPIT MY LAST BREATH AT THEELearn some culture
>>216948369>Garvin: Your dying words are noted.
Alien Yaoi
>>216948363Jimmy made a Yaoi.Yaoi = $2 billion
Sex sells
>>216947774>>216947887Visions of the future are always a product of their present. It's pretty obvious that Cameron created the world of Avatar before LLMs and military drones took off for example. It's still a very human way of war. Realistically, the most important military assets eywa could provide the na'vi with are not front line war animals, but rather ISR and communications. ISR = Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance. Eywa could use all animals (and plants) of pandora to keep a permanent watch on all humans. Maybe she can't look inside the industrial bases, but outside every little bird and mouse could see, hear, smell and feel every step any human takes. Eywa could analyse this and give perfect ISR to the na'vi. She could also facilitate fast, global communication between all na'vi clans, even down to the individual level. ISR, coms, Command & Control, etc. are not flashy, but they are very important aspects of warfare. Eywa could start by warning those fucking whales of whaler ships for example.
>>216948398I wish this movie was gay
>>216947634>>216947575This is what ive been waiting for.... HQ soon my pervbros
Gay pose
>>216930684>>216948562is this true avatar anons?
>>216948135> Pandora provides no escape for the crisis Earth is facing.Pandora (and possibly Mars) are the only forms of escape, and Pandora is a far more attractive optionEarth is done, its finished. There's no saving it. The situation is so dire that colonising Pandora fully and sending as many people there as possible is the best option for humanity
>>216948661stop shilling your fake and gay thread here faggot
>>216948661This isn't even a secret retard, Cameron already discussed it in interviews
>>216932790>>216931002>H...h...he's going native I swear! >Clearly breaks ash tribe convention by interacting with the troops like a modern space cat Alexander. >Treats them like he treats his marines >>216931001>>216931833Soon™
>>216947751Furry porn movie
>>216948664I can guarantee you that neither the RDA corpos nor the politicians on earth care about "saving humanity". There's no way anyone would want to pay to mass transport the wagie masses of earth to Pandora. Even if that were logistically possible, which it isn't. As the other anon said, this is at most about building a gated community for the ultra rich. The na'vi blowing up some miners and whalers is not threatening humanity, humanity has already fucked itself.
>>216948885Off course they can't bring the billions of humas from Earth to Pandora. It will be a selection of the best humans or basically the rich.Now thinking about that... let's say the rich, like let's say 5,000 all get in the spaceships and get to Pandora. What prevents the humans left behind to figure out how to build new spaceships to go to Pandora later? The rich nuke Earth after leaving? Because if the people left behind reach Pandora they are not going to be friendly with the rich that tried to abandoned them in a dying planet.
>>216949039>The Earth is a Harsh MistressKino
>>216948664They're going to install Eywa into Earth and have the computer fix it somehow
