Realistically speaking, what needs to happen for the Avatar franchise to see any cultural impact for a change?
>>216931570Get rid of the bleeding heart liberal boomer message in favor of pro-humanity propagandahttps://youtu.be/AIZnlRBnIK4https://youtu.be/o-YM8mCG7Co
>>216931570It needs to release 3 billion+ movies.Thing is this has already happened.You're just hopelessly out of touch, like everyone else who lives on the internet.The cultural impact is among the supermajority of normies.
>>216931570already has a cultural impact, the first movie is now seen as an icon of fruitger aero.
Maybe a spinoff series told from the human side in a positive light
>>216931693LOL
>>216931703Cameron would never show whites in a positive light.
I've come to realise that when people say cultural impact all they mean is memes. They're angry that Avatar has solid writing. They want cringe so they can talk about Morbin time and my mother studying spiders in the Amazon shit.Way of Water even has it's own Palpatine returns plotline but no one memes on it because it wasn't accompanied by bad dialogue and had a clear explanation behind it and purpose in the story.Modern audiences are all miserable and want everything to be bad and a failure because watching things crumble it the only thing that brings them joy any more, and when something isn't that their minds don't know what to do and so latch onto meaningless critiques like 'no cultural impact' to try and force a failure.
>>216931783>Avatar has solid writing
>>216931570They vanish completely from public conversation when there isn’t a new one out. Do you see people walking around in Avatar shirts, are they referenced regularly in other movies and shows, etc
>>216931842How can Avatards live with this complete and total humiliation?
>>216931783>Modern audiences are all miserableNah, modern audiences are all watching the movie.Do you really think internet dwellers actually leave the house? I get that this is another "Jim's done it again but he secretly lost somehow" cope thread, but the reality is that the internet as a whole is out of touch, and most people don't use it this way.
>>216931867COPEOPE
>>216932103I'm merely stating what's actually happening in real life.Tell me, how is this cope?
>>216932103You should shower more anon.
>>216932118>i am an expert on real life!>now, excuse me while i immerse myself in a fully generated PS2 worldLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
no ass = no cultural impact
>>216931570Merchandizing.Toys and cartoons and video games.A fortnite or roblox tie-in.All things that would destroy its soul.
>>216931570Shave Jake’s ridiculous hair.
>>216932325Spider should do an Onlyfans
>>216931783>Avatar has solid writing. Its the worse thing about the serie dumbass, its genuinely painful
>>216933255bodied that freak
>>216931651This, unironically, it would be the biggest subversion of expectations in cinema
>>216931693You mean Papyrus
>>216933255it's really not that bad
As a fucking leaf I can't sympathize with native stand ins. They were not peaceful hippy nature lovers, most of the tribes were very violent. Ironically the closest tribe to being the stereotype, the Huron, was wiped out by one of the more savage ones. Another irony is natives have the same problem Indians do where trickery is seen as a virtue, and that attitude isn't compatible with civilization.
>>216931783>They're angry that Avatar has solid writing.that's the weakest part of it all, dickheadcowboys and indians in space, it's not original and as subtle as the 9/11 treewe've seen it all beforethe only impact it had was on the ticket prices
>>216933498how come the french, who were the first in canada, managed to have peaceful relations with natives while anglos didn't, not just in canada but in the US as well?
>>216933519Notice how you can't refute the writing being solid, you attack it for not being groundbreaking. You're holding it up to standards you don't apply to any other film you watch.
>>216933563it's not solid if it's copied
>>216933558NTA, please read this book
>>216933563Like Transformers, people don't go watch these films for the plot, they go for the spectacle.
>>216933558The french allied with the good ones and France was a good place to live so almost nobody from there moved to Canada, they needed to get along with the natives while brits could afford to drown them in numbers
>>216933616>so almost nobody from there moved to Canadawhat are you on about? they had such a major presence over there that the english started the 7 years war to get rid of them and once they won, broke up the population to avoid possible rebellionthe cajuns are the exiled french canadians
>>216931651>>216931703>>216933339People like you are the reason why our planet is going to shit and nobody gives a damn
>>216933498>where trickery is seen as a virtue, and that attitude isn't compatible with civilization.Says who, you? Europeans civilization is full of trickery and lies, the America and Canadian government both broke countless treaties they had with the natives
>>21693365970k people compared to almost 2,5 million down south in the 13 colonies. That's nothing.
>>216933574Why is copying a problem when it means I get to have more of the stories I enjoy? I love both Avatar and John Carter.
>>216933720then don't complain when people don't take away anything from your film except that it was pretty
>>216933659>cajuns are the exiled french canadiansLouisiana was a French colony
Cultural impact means people off-line who have watched it. The movies make $1bn and has a massive /tv/ fanbase but I have never met anyone IRL who has seen any of the sequels.
>>216933558>France had a long presence in Northern America, starting with the establishment of New France in 1534. Acculturation and conversion were promoted, especially through the activities of the Jesuit missions in North America. But unlike the other colonial powers, France, under the guidance of Louis XIII and Cardinal Richelieu, encouraged a peaceful coexistence in New France between Natives and Colonists. Indians, converted to Catholicism, were considered as "natural Frenchmen" by the Ordonnance of 1627:>The descendants of the French who are accustomed to this country, together with all the Indians who will be brought to the knowledge of the faith and will profess it, shall be deemed and renowned natural Frenchmen, and as such may come to live in France when they want, and acquire, donate, and succeed and accept donations and legacies, just as true French subjects, without being required to take no letters of declaration of naturalization>According to the 19th-century historian Francis Parkman:>Spanish civilization crushed the Indian; English civilization scorned and neglected him; French civilization embraced and cherished him>—Francis Parkman>In many instance, French officials adopted Indian habits in order to gain their support. The Baron de Saint-Castin was adopted by an Abenaki tribe and married a native girl. Governor Frontenac danced and sang war songs at an Indian council. Jean-Baptiste Le Moyne de Bienville tatooed himself in the native style, while Daniel Liénard de Beaujeu fought bare-chested and covered with war paints at the battle against Braddock. Natives also adopted French habits, like chief Kondiaronk who wanted to be buried in his French uniform or Kateri Tekakwitha who became a Catholic Saint.>French settlers and natives were allied in every conflict preceding the Seven Years' War: Father Rale's War, King George's War, Father Le Loutre's War. Intermarriages were also frequent in New France, giving rise to the Métis people
>>216931783I don't see Avatar ParodiesI don't see Avatar Merch anywhereI don't see Avatar memesI don't see Avatar VidyaThe only impact this series has is having a fucking theme park attraction because that's all this gay ass series is, a fucking theme park ride disguised as a movie.
>>216933758>>216933713And yes 70k including converted natives and metis people. France had trouble making people move to the new world, which is also why they granted "citizenship" to natives who converted to catholicism. They needed bodies
>>216933776The parodies came out at the time of the first movie You aren't looking hard enough They exist here and there There is only one, I think it came out this year?
>>216933747the cajuns originally come from acadia, in eastern canada
>>216933776>I don't see Avatar Vidyathere's onenobody cared much about it but it's there
>No cultural impact
>>216933883Better art style than the goddamn comics.
>>216933847If only it wasn't a Ubisoft game
>>216933921do you see a lot of studios begging for the rights to the franchise? nobody gives a shit beyond the visuals and the 3D (best in the biz by far)
>>216931570That´s not how cultural impact works. The masses either connect with a movie, with what a director is trying to say... or they don´t. If it didn´t happen after 3 movies, it´s just not going to.
>>216933985>That´sThat's not how apostrophes work, stupid kraut
>>216931570I don't remember a single line from Casablanca and Godfather. Must be bad movies with no cultural impact.
>>216933959I honestly don't know, for all I know game studios did beg to get the rights but Cameron waited. >and the 3D (best in the biz by far)The movie? Best 3D biz was the amazing spider man movies, especially the second one.
>>216934047This. I would also challenge Avatar haters to name one memorable line from Dances with Wolves.
>>216933758I hope Quaritch gets bitching fire tatoos too
>>216934010Punctuation was used properly. Imagine calling someone retarded when you're blatantly wrong yourself.
Why do people want cultural impact? Do you actually want people going around in blue face? Do you genuinely think fat women going “I see you” to an uncomfortable Incel is going to help the world? These movies are visual spectacles that leave you feeling like you spent your time well watching it. You can go online saying how the graphics were awesome, the explosions were kinetic and the fire bitch was crazy. We don’t need more Baby Yodas or Mandalorians. Avatar is Avenough.
>>216934118Stupid kraut
>>216933808>The parodies came out at the time of the first movieSo the movies are so fucking boring no one even wants to parody them?
>>216934213They’re obviously not boring if each film makes more money than god, anon. The films simply lack meme potential.
More over, I don't remember a single line and character name from citizen Kane except well Kane cause it's in the title. Must be bad movie with no cultural impact.
>>216934213I suppose that's one way to look at it
>>216933498>where trickery is seen as a virtue, and that attitude isn't compatible with civilization.It's called getting a good deal.Point to any top 100 corporation or first world nation you think got there without any trickery.
>>216934318European folklore and mythology is also full of trickster gods and heroes
>>216934047Casablanca>Here's looking at you kid>Play it again sam>of all the bars in all the world she had to walk into mineGodfather>I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse>Horse head in bed>you come here on the day of my Daughter's wedddingThese are off the top of my head and I've never even seen the Godfather
>>216934410>Horse head in bedThat's a scene not a line
>>216934229Making money is a shit metric to point to a film's cultural impact or worth. For fuck sake the Sequel trilogy made bank but no one is arguing it's good or has cultural impact.
>>216931570hapa navi escorts on earth
>>216931651>humans destroyed Earth due to greediness and want to do the same with Pandora>"humans were good boys"
>>216933682>>216934685Roasties, there is something called loyalty. A single fingernail of the most despicable, ugly, and evil nigger is worth more than a 1 trillion na'vi. I hate niggers the most, I hate corpos and the pedo international capitalists the most, yet, Jeffrey Epstein's 1/3 of a pubic hair is more valuable than all the quadrillion sentient xeno scum. Now, I would make an exception with animals, but Pandora is basically a huge hive mind, so better burn it all. Varang and the fire clan are honorary humans tho, at least they have some individuality as they rebel against the demon Eywa
>>216934903And here is an perfect example of a man who would cut off his own nose to spite the face >so better burn it all. And what good is a lifeless rock?
>>216931570Make an Avatar from the Human POV showing their first contact in Pandora, with humans as the good guys and Navi as the bad guys
>>216934410Avatar>my mission is to keep you alive. I will fail>you crossed the line>I see you
>>216935002I see you is a really well known line. And Quaritch-Varang stuff seems to be getting memed a lot on social media.
But again, with this apparent popularity, why dont i see many people talk about it? I dont even see Avatar mentioned on social media. What do you like about these movies. Im serious.
>>216935002>my mission is to keep you alive. I will failWorse version of come with me if you want to live>you crossed the lineLiteral K-Pop Demon Hunter line>I see you One of the dumbest fucking lines ever
>>216935099>why dont i see many people talk about it?I have never once outside of /tv/ EVER heard someone talk about the godfather.I would get into conversations with another movie lover. their favorite was Casablancea. Even they never mentioned the Godfather.Guess it's a shit movie with no impact.>>216935122Glad you can acknowledge that they are all versions of iconic lines, and thus fit in along with the other ones.
>>216931570>Avatar franchise to see any cultural impact for a change?>le zero cultuaral relefenceironic that for a guy criticising how the franchise is uncreative he literally does not voice a single original thought in the entire review.you also fail to mention any of the aspects taht make Avatar 3 special.The great potray of masculinity. the touching family drama, the outstanding visuals and creative designs and showdown that feels well desereved, serious and stoic in a world of reddit manchildren and Self-deprecating humor.PS:I mean you are fag
>>216935166>The great potray of masculinityJake has always been a great portrayal of masculinity
>>216934958I know that for a plurb like you it's impossible to understand but a hive mind that subverts the personality of the individual in any way is antithetical to humanity, in other words, demonic.>And what good is a lifeless rock?Well, it can be terraformed.
>>216935166>The great potray of masculinity. the touching family drama, the outstanding visuals and creative designs and showdown that feels well desereved, serious and stoic in a world of reddit manchildren and Self-deprecating humor.Those are across all Avatars. Not just 3. three was specifically about reaction to loss, and changing deep-seated beliefs.
>>216935166What a creepy post. Fuck off, rapist.
>>216935264cope and seethe
>>216935277I shall uncope and unseethe just to spite you.
>>216933776>I don't see Avatar Parodies Probably because the movies older than you zoom zoom
>>216935285you are a minoritywelcome to the age of avataryou will be our chewtoy we will enjoy insulting when you try to speak
>>216933776>I don't see Avatar Parodies>I don't see Avatar Merch anywhere>I don't see Avatar memesdumb broccoli zoomoid wants memesaww that's cute
>>216935318>the age of avatarThe era of the Playstation 2 is over, unc.
>>216935193Also Pandora isn't a hive mind, it's a collective mind where everyone can be linked but they are still their own individual. Also individuality isn't held in high regards everyone on our planet, the west holds it high but place like Japan, Korea and China favors collectivism. >Well, it can be terraformedTHEN WHY DID YOU BURN IT TO THR GROUND?
https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/AvatarMentioned nine times across six seasons.The problem is the lack of monoculture, not the lack of references.
>>216935355>collective mindThat's a hive mind. Don't care if they seem to have individuality, the moment something or someone can intertwine with your mind, you are no longer you. That's why I will never trust a fucking mind chip.>the west holds it high but place like Japan, Korea and China favors collectivism.Gooks aren't human then.>THEN WHY DID YOU BURN IT TO THR GROUND?Eywa must be destroyed. Or at least contained. Don't care how it is done, maybe not burn it all at once and terraform it slowly, but the fact that Spider develops a tail that can connect to Eywa is concerning enough.
>>216935492>the moment something or someone can intertwine with your mind, you are no longer youYou are so much less of a discrete thing than you think you are.People can change what you think with food.
>>216931570I'm gonna be honest with you, anons. Call me a coomer or whatever but you know I'm speaking the truth.What people call cultural relevance is just porn.It's porn.Avatar, for explicitly being Cameron's "I'm james fucking cameron and I can apologetically make a fetish film about lanky blue naked chicks and nobody has the balls to tell me otherwise" movie, has EMBARRASSINGLY low amounts of porn.It's been like 15 years and it's got fucking what? A couple hand-drawn sketches and a goofy looking porn parody from 2009.Even now that they seem to have hit some coomer-resonance with Varang, she's only got like a handful of pics on r34. That's fucking nothing. Absolutely cursed franchise.
>>216935492You have been brainwashed and I will do my best to save you from yourself >That's a hive mind. Again no, life in Pandora can connect with each other but they are still their own individual. >the moment something or someone can intertwine with your mind, you are no longer you.Is it any different from an idea or someone else influencing you?>Gooks aren't human then.Don't stare too long into the abyss.
How come Avatar has the most annoying fanbase?
>>216935318This looks like total ass, who's the bad guy here?
>>216935692Do they? I hardly hear about them, if hear far more from the >Humanity fuck yeah purge the planet of xeno scum also give me Navii wife People
>>216935692What fanbase? Nobody's seen these movies. Not one person in my tiny apartment that I never leave went to see it. The voices in my head tell me it's woke.
>>216935789It's extremely woke, which is why Avatar is so popular on Reddit and in India
The cultural impact shit is peak reddit. The Avatar movies exist in their own world. You're not going to get your transferrable "That just happened" "Hey, I'm Tony Stark, Schwarma" bullshit that goobers can throw out as quotes to pretend they have a sense of humor. The cultural impact of Avatar is that people (like me ;)) with a brain, a heart, and appreciation for what movies can be walk out thinking "Holy shit. I am so glad someone is actually making amazing things that push the medium forward, and I feel inspired to do things like that in my own life."
>>216931783Yeah pretty much. Gen Zs median is now 30. Take their normal passive aggressive shit and ramp it up. They are realizing they wasted the best years of their life staring at cellphones. More then that, since they aren't young, they are just like everyone else and no one wants to argue with their passive aggressive asses besides third worldersAlso not for youInb4 a generation is 15 years. No it's 10. A generation starts generation of a family. You can't have parents and their kids in the same generation. It's ten years. Don't give me ai shit.
>>216935692Traitors to humanity are all scum, simple as
>>216935605>You are so much less of a discrete thing than you think you areMy soul remains pure by my Faith, no matter the influences around me. Now, I'm sure that for a materialist, that's not the case.>People can change what you thinkI'm not what I think, but more.>>216935637>can connect with each otherThe moment that connection intertwines minds, especially to a greater mind like Eywa, the personality of the individual is subverted. That is a hive mind. In pooland that might be hecking awesome, but not for me.>Is it any different from an idea or someone else influencing you?Yes, because I'm not an idea. I might be influenced, I might think differently than before, but I remain myself, the sole entity of my mind. Letting another entity into my mind, no matter how good it is, is evil. Plurbs may be the happiest beings, but my integrity goes first.
>>216935811>The Avatar movies exist in their own worldSo does HIV
>>216931570Focus needs to shift entirely from the traitor to the racist general and his evil girlfriend.
>>216935840>The moment that connection intertwines minds, especially to a greater mind like Eywa, the personality of the individual is subvertedYou watched the wrong movie >but I remain myselfDo you? Do you really?
>>216935959>You watched the wrong movie>trusting what is told instead of seeing what is shownIf billions of people tell me that joining the collective mind of Zuck's Meta is hecking awesome because it makes you recycle and live in harmony with the planet, I still won't join, sorry.>Do you? Do you really?Yes, by my Faith on it being so. That's the basis of individuality, the source of personality. That's why those who don't have Faith are not human.>but le rational argumentarinoooo predeterminarinooooDon't care. Me pure. Me free. Me.
>>216935800No, the avatar movies are not woke. They have a strong moral message that's anti chud, but that message is decades pre-woke. A woke movie would set out to demonize and belittle men for example, insted of having us emphasize with their struggles. A woke movie would also never celebrate all those slim, thin sexy women. A woke movie wouldn't have the only three named blue girls be mostly hostile to each other. etc. etc.The message of Avatar is a hippy one: harmony with nature, save the whales, etc.
>>216936116Haven't you heard? Caring for nature and animals is woke
>>216931570Jimmy needs to add random quips to take you out of the movie so people can quote them on twitter and lace every piece of dialogue with slight irony so people can laugh instead of engaging with it sincerely.
>>216935692Avatar fans aren't the problem. The annoying ones that I struggle to understand are the people who loudly dislike it and seem upset that other people like them and that they're doing well. Nobody has to like the movies. But it's weird that some seem mad that others do.
Avatar is rockin'.
Muh "no cultural impact" is LITERALLY just the MCUtranny cope because they're butthurt Endgame couldn't beat it at the box office.>actually it doesn't matter because nobody cares about it anyway therefore our favorite capeshit is the real winner!
>>216936182I guess Hitler was woke then.
>>216931783They're upset that they can't make a living making multiple 10 hour long youtube commentary videos on it. It's just a decent blockbuster movie. That's it.
>>216931570Making a good movie would be a start.
Cultural impact means dogshit writing where everyone acts like a retard and says stupid things to make memes of.
>>216931651Considering Avatar 3 talks about how Christ is King, it IS pro-humanity you fucking fp shill.
the cultural impact is that family is everything and the last 20 years of tv/movies shilling that it's not is over.
I will NEVER watch Shitvatar: Fart & Aids.
>>216934318Yeah low trust society is really great. Kys jeet
>>216940788Why do they hate us so much?
>>216935692Last time I heard Avatar has no fans. Is this the new cope?
>>216940940Avatar has >ZERO fans>ZERO plot>ZERO cultural impactDeal with it.
>>216931570Have Quaritch go from villain to reluctant hero.
>>216931570It needs a innovative gimmick the way 3D was for the first movie. People showed up to experience the new technology. Seeing it in cinemas gave them a new experience that they couldn't replicate at home so they turned up multiple times. Holograms, 360 degree Vegas dome style screenings, VR/AR. Something like that. Without that extra layer it's just another flimsy cgi movie.
>>216935002>This is sad. Very sad only.>Neytiri thinks I'm some kind of retard.>How does it feel to betray your own race?
Why can Avatar haters never actually explain what they mean by cultural impact? It's totally not just them seething over the MCU getting completely bodied by blue cats in space right
>>216941279I don't care if some people don't like the movies. It's all a matter of personal opinion. I do find it weird taht there seems to be a vocal group online who are upset that other people like them and that they're doing well. Seems like weird behaviour and a waste of time. Is it really just big fans of other franchises upset that this one is doing as well or better financially than their favorite? Who cares? There's plenty of great films that bombed in theaters and plenty of shit ones that made lots of money and had great reviews. If anything, having a franchise you love do too well can be a problem because then the greedy corporate fucks want to keep cranking out more of it until they've ruined it.
>>216941566>other people like themI wouldn't call them 'people'.
The first and the third movies have some organic memes, both with Quaritch.
>>216931570Jake wife raped by White men.
>>216941595
>>216933748Probably because you associate exclusively with chuds and losers.At my extended family christmas gathering where most people are successful normies, not a single person wasn't planning to see or already had seen Avatar 3. Likewise among my friends, most of whom are artsy types, everyone has seen it.
>>216942835>a bunch of cucks watched avatar>"this is another win for cameron!"LOL
>>216935616You're too brainrotted on video games and anime. Live action movies don't get much porn... because it's not going to look like the real thing, at least not until now with AI. It's not like there's much porn of the MCU either, and there's no franchise more culturally relevant than that (at its peak). Or of Titanic, maybe the most culturally impactful one-off movie ever. Or of the Matrix, another cultural behemoth of its time.
>>216942835>my found family trans discord and my hipster friends that consume art but cannot create it LOVED it though chud so there!!!
>>216942964bodied that freak
>>216942920Uh, yes. Tell me all about how your movie that only your two incel friends watched is better though. I'm sure it made you 2 billion principle-dollars.
>>216942920We're all very successful and all of us sent James Cameron an envelope with 50 bucks. We love Cameron. Avatar won and we won
>>216942920>>216942964>>216942980Looks like someone hit a chud's nerve
>>216943029>i made a billionaire richer but you didn't, so it's clear i'm not the cuck hereLOL
>>216931570Cool characters that don't look like WNBA players. That's the missing link.
>>216943079That's not what I said though. I love BCC (Big Cameron cock). You're just sad and miserable because you're missing out.
>>216933758>Spanish civilization crushed the IndianBullshit, the only place with great numbers of natives today is the spanish part of the New World.North America? "Indian Reservations".Canada? Almost exterminated.Central and South? Full of indios and mutts.
>>216943129Cameron's cock is tiny from a vegan diet and an aversion to the toxin that is testosterone.
>>216931570Thanos shows up and kills half the na'vi. Turns out Avatar was an MCU tie-in all along. Movie ends in>Thanos will return in Avengers: Doomsneed
>>216932275i'm really suprised video game sales are so low. i grew up loving loads of star wars games
>>216935840>My soul remains pure by my FaithYou do not HAVE a soul. You ARE a soul.And soul has nothing to do with your body and mind, which are not discrete.your body is more other living things than you.
>>216940788Western society has and always will be buyer beware you commmie scum.
HELLO????????
>>216942944>the Matrix,That's a good comparison. >1st onePretty good film with an interesting plot and culturally relevant. >2nd filmLame. A lot of padding and too much focus on FX rather than the plot. It pretty much killed The Matrix as culturally relevant. >3rdI just don't fuckung care.Should I care for Avatar?
>>216931842That is wild though. How can something make so much money and not have a bunch of dorks worshipping it like Star Wars or Star Trek?
It's too difficult to cosplay as Na'vi, hot female cosplayers don't want it. Humans are too generic in Avatar.
>>216931783>They're angry that Avatar has solid writing.Avatar writing is so fucking bad that James had to come up with a completely new mcguffin after the first movie for there to even be a plot. >>216938041It's not decent, it fucking sucks>>216940541Jake considers murdering his adopted son just to make sure humans can't learn how to breath pandora air.
>>216941279>Why can Avatar haters never actually explain what they mean by cultural impact? Nobody talks about the content of the movies. They don't influence other media because they're bad and shallow. Their pop culture exposure is nonexistent. If the Avatar movies vanished overnight, most people would not even notice.>>216941566>I do find it weird taht there seems to be a vocal group online who are upset that other people like them and that they're doing well. These movies are evil, and promote evil themes and ideas. It does and should upset people when they inexplicably sell well in theaters, somehow, despite being evil and also gay and lame.
>>216945433Environmentalism, faith, and traditional family values are evil?
>>216945618"I love my wife and kids" are not the end all be all of "traditional family values". Those are basic ideas in practically any fucking movie, and not even to evangelize, but merely to appeal to the base moral convictions of the audience. Avatar's "environmentalism" is a call for a return to paleolithia, not merely advocating reform for sustainability, but rejecting the very notion of man's dominance over his environment together. That we should be subservient to nature and live as animals, at the whims of whatever arbitrary suffering and cruelties that the untamed world would provide. Also, "faith" in a mind controlling, planet spanning alien entity is evil, yes. Especially given how it's now been shown to manipulate the biology of organisms that are exposed to it that did not even evolve on Pandora.
>>216943816>You do not HAVE a soul. You ARE a soul.Exactly.>And soul has nothing to do with your body and mind, which are not discrete.Not true. My soul is above my mind and my body, but even tho they are different, they are one. So, yeah, even if, for some unholy reason, I had to plug into that Eywa demon, I know that by Faith, I would remain immune to its influences.>>216945618Stfu you disingenuous faggot. Those values that are shown in the movie are used against humanity as if such values would have any value without humanity. THEY DO NOT. Good values can be used for evil, you subversive plurb. Fuck the RDA and fuck the hordes of niggers that fucked up the earth. Still, humanity first. Me first.
>>216945433>pop culture exposure is nonexistentPop culture is dogshit right now and has been for a long time. You are making some case the Avatar needs to be validated by some narrowly defined Reddit pop culture hive mind beyond the movies simply being successful and being enjoyed by the people who go see them.
>>216946034>You are making some case the Avatar needs to be validated by some narrowly defined Reddit pop culture hive mind beyond the movies simply being successful and being enjoyed by the people who go see them.If the movie was actually good and people actually liked it they would talk about it outside of the theater. They don't, because it's shitty and boring and stupid.
>>216946076People are literally doing that on /tv/ and you are showing up to bitch about it because it upsets you for some reason. It seems to be impacting you.
>>216946250None of you talk about the movie outside of Quaritch memes
>>216934047This is a failure on your part because you’re Indian.
>>216946281I just talked to my mom on the phone about the movie. I think she liked it even more than I did. She loves Neytiri, Spider, and Ronal.
>>216935150>No one talks about the GodfatherWhy are you lying? Are you just Mauler?
>>216935002>YOU MATED WITH THIS WOMAN?>Oh shit.Funniest line in the whole movie.
>>216935081>And Quaritch-Varang stuff seems to be getting memed a lot on social media.Which is especially funny because it all directly contradicts the driving ethos of Avatar, and yet is the only compelling part of the entire franchise to date.
>>216946748Varang and the fire clan will forever be honorary humans. Those who reject Eywa are based
i remember nothing about the second movie plotwise other than the mermaid dudes bullying jake's son or something and there was some blue chick who was cutewho watches this for anything other than the mindless eyecandy overdose?
>>216945803>My soulYou do not HAVE a soul.You ARE a soul.You are not connected to this body and mind, and the delusion of being so it what causes suffering.The body and mind you are aware of are not discrete things. They are part of the environment and would not function without being symbiotic to the microbiome - which are their own living entities.
>>216946577I didnt lie. Quote me correctly.>I have never once outside of /tv/ EVER heard someone talk about the godfather.This is true.
>>216931570They could try making a movie that men want to watch for once.
>>216947180Why does Cameron exclusively cater to women, gays and trannies?
>>216931570It's not made for 20-35 year old men without houses, cars or families you dumbass. 10 20 to 35 and up. You are in the dead zone.
>>216947386>You are in the dead zoneBut I don't want to be anywhere near your crotch!
>>216947386It's actually has a larger age range.You get boomers and millennials who are nostalgic for the Cameron vibe.You get zoomers who are nostalgic because they were there when the first movie released. Parents also tend to bring their kids to these movies.( Might result in them getting a blue giantess fetish later on but parents don't know that).
>>216935733yeah, the stupid people who mainlined too much 40k and HFY slop are the worst part of it. purge the xenos, haha! cringe.
>>216931570Is this true anons? >>216948562
>>216948683He is a schizo.
>>216948683JC already confirmed it in his interviews fuck off retard
>>216931570Cultural impact is just code for porn. Avatar has a small amount of porn compared to other popular series so it kinda gives me vibes that it's astroturfed
>>216948683Cameron confirmed it
>>216948683Aidseron pozzfirmed it
>>216931570All female african inspired navi tribe who all have BBLs and H cup breasts
>>216935166>the outstanding visualslmao nigga the movie stuttered like a cutscene struggling to loadmaybe I was too young to notice it in the previous movies, maybe it just wasn't there, but this one was like watching one of those "game movies" on youtube where they took all the gameplay out of a game and just stitched the cutscenes togetheractually painful on all fronts
>>216949116>lmao nigga the movie stuttered like a cutscene struggling to loadyou noticed the variable frame rate too I seeCameron should just commit to full 60fps and not change it to 24
>>216935637>are still their own individualnot a hive mindyeah, especially when random fauna is doing suicidal bumrushes because eywa assumes direct controlhappened THRICE alreadyi bet your missing dick there will be a scene where eywa literally control directly some navi and it will be majestic, beautiful, so-so native pandoran and so so anti-pinkskin
>>216950258Fuck pinkskins with their little pink hands and insanity in their minds.
>>216931570more quaritch and varang
>>216931570Better, less generic music, and better lines of dialogue. Maybe a cool costume people could actually wear.>>216931651No, that's not it.
>>216935318Nice webm. Thanks.
>>216931651Yes, support the mega corporation that mines, kills and destroys anything in its path for short term profit and treats its own members like expendable trash. All hail the bottom line. The CEOs definitely care about humanity and have its best interests in mind.
>>216931570>Realistically speaking, what needs to happen for the Avatar franchise to see any cultural impact for a change?they need to reveal the head of the RDA to be this orange faced blonde retard
>>216951939Yeah the music is really bad and forgettable except for the main theme from the first film
>>216931783>They're angry that Avatar has solid writing.The issue isn't that the writing is NOT solid, it's that it's a story we've all seen a dozen times with Fern Gully or Pocahontas. There's only so many times you can write a story like that, and make it sound good and entertaining, but in the end it's always the same story.
>>216933883>>216933915kek is this real?
>>216952056>There's only so many times you can write a story like that, and make it sound good and entertaining, but in the end it's always the same story.yeah but this time its blue photo real aliens living on a fully realized planet in the alpha centauri star system
>>216952056Give me a predictable, simple story with good messaging and universal themes over whatever the fuck else Hollywood has been doing for the past 10 years. It's the same reason Top Gun Maverick was one of the most successful movies in years. Avatar has themes like the following and they appeal to any audience member with their head on the right way.>Build strong family bonds>Be a good father>Be a loving husband>Don't support reckless consumerism and soulless corporations that are destroying earth>Respect and admire the beauty of nature>Live peacefully but if someone threatens to destroy what you love then kick their ass
>>216945351>Jake considers murdering his adopted son just to make sure humans can't learn how to breath pandora air.and yet the family all sticks together even though he and his wife and his kids all made mistakes and did and said things that were wrong. but in the end they are stronger than before.consider the opposite where tv and movies glorify cutting off all your family if they are "toxic".
They do a really bad job making me feel for the Scully family. I really don't give a shit about any of them and it just feels like padding until we return to quartrichJake has no character, his kids are annoying as fuck and I didn't care when his son died. Neytiri is fine I guess and then there's the loli who exists I guess
>>216931570define cultural impact
>>216931570Human RDA grunt game shamelessly ripping off helldivers where your home base slowly fills up with large evil blue women
For me, it's the fact that Pandora is a lethal environment and the frog people are basically breathing poison gas. It's a place I can't empathise with, so I don't care.
>>216952975People will actually hum a bit of music from your movie.(Avatar's fucked, btw)
>>216934118That wasn't an apostrophe. That was an acute accent. It's not punctuation.
>>216952260All I know is I'm rooting for Spider, because1) I too would like to date a giant cat-ladyand2) I too have a step-parent that not-too-subtly has spent my whole like suggesting it would be better for everyone if I would just fucking die (for me it's my dad, but still).
>>216931570First of all getting a real culture to impact, I know you are from the US because nobody in the world uses the word culture so stupidly thinking every fad is a ``culture`` and every decade or so you idiots get into something different so yeah. Second, make a movie without rehashing the plot of the first one
>>216953201>``culture`` You don't even know how to type out quotation marks on a keyboard, and you call us stupid?
>>216931570Have the 1st movie come out in the 70s or 80s and immediately sell a bajillion toys.
>>216952260Because Cameron made a mistake of turning them into exiles in Avatar 2 instead of a much more interesting scenario where Sully family are royal family but faces discrimination because of their alien DNA and Jake's over reliance on human tech. You can easily write so many stories about them. Like for example: Let's say I rewrite Avatar 2. What could be a conundrum for Jake without having the RDA launch an assault on Hometree? Easy. Some Navi's disapprove of Jake having their human friends live near them especially with Spider living in the camps. Why? Because human allies still need to mine resources on a small scale to maintain their tech. This causes a rift between other clans. Maybe some try to depose Jake. Maybe some of them ally with Varang. It's way more fun having tribal squabble than having multiple kidnapping and imprisonment scenes like we have right now.
>>216931570>>216947681
>>216931570OP, i dont know how young you are but we’re well past the point of movies having any “cultural impact”. There is very real shit happening in the country and its not even breaking through to 1/3 of you living with your head in the clouds. Avatar is a children's cartoon, it makes a lot of money because for $20 parents can drop their kids off at the theater for four hours. Little kids taste in formulaic action movies does not translate to a meaningful impact on the culture of a nation or world.. It is spectacle entertainment as disposable consumer product. That is all.The world is steadily marching into World War IV and total society breakdown in most of the first world countries. looking at movies to make an impact on that, you’re looking 8000 miles off in the wrong place.
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>>216933587>Oh hey this might be interest-->William T VollmanNo thanks.
>>216953201The only culture Americans know is consumer culture the shit you buy, defines your life and defined your personality. Americans are nothing more than british industrial revolution working stock who then buy shit and drink themselves to death. There’s a reason they don’t teach philosophy in American schools, they’re conformists though and through. The social advancements of the 1960s and 70s were easily undone by appealing to their greed and laziness. Now that’s left is to finish carving them up and selling them off.
why do movies need to have "cultural impact"? we don't even have a culture in 2025. zoomers worshipping niggers is not culture
>>216954946Are you going to bring up trannies as your criticism here? It's a good book
>white people want to nuke the whales because doing so results in obscene profit>one man stands alone against them and he is JewishI can suspend my disbelief for blue alien cat people who are kind of painting with all the colors of the wind or some shit, but the Jew thing was really immersion breaking
>>216931570I don't get why you guys act like it NEEDS a cultural impact.A cultural impact for a movie usually just means gathering the most annoying tier of adult fans who argue about pointless shit and collect toys.
>>216936293This
SEX
Avaturds, your response?
>>216955536Avaturds FLUSHED
>>216931570Earth chapter in which Neytiri is the lead in a human avatar body. Jake Sully is prominently featured.
>>216931570>cultural impacWhy would you want that? What possibly positive outcome could come from it? You've already got the biggest budget ever for your franchise, you have a massive and alive expanded universe, you are literally at the apex of fandom before it all usually goes to shit.
>>216931783They're angry that Avatar has solid writing.
>>216955763>forgot my meme arrow
>>216955685>avatard COPE
>>216955823what?! I'm...i'm the one CRITICIZING Avatar in that post, you fool! You imbecile! You utter dimwit. How could you read my post and misunderstand it so badly?! You....you DUNDERHEAD.
>>216956157BECAUSE I AM A FUCKING RETARD(still not watching avatard tho)
>>216933915>the mum in the top rightIt's always, ALWAYS background characters that are the cutest
>>216931570I'm kinda late, but anyways. I've only seen the first one and I remember the main problem being the weak dialogue. It did the service, but wasn't memorable. Take the first two terminators for example, the dialogue wasn't deep, but it was extremely memorable. We remember a lot of stuff that Arnold says even though they aren't marvel quips. I don't know how Cameron did it and apparently he doesn't as well.
>>216947130>You are not connected to this body and mind, and the delusion of being so it what causes suffering.Kek, I get you're into eastern shit, but that's not my case. Now I understand why you love Eywa so much. No, I am a soul, I am a mind, and I am a body, all three into one, Me. I'm more soul than mind, just as I'm more mind than body, but that doesn't make me less mind and body. I'm more human than animal, but that doesn't make me less animal.>muuuh delusionLong live the fucking delusion that is the ego. Long live me. Nothing is more human than having delusions of grandeur, by Faith. God, I love humanity.>which are their own living entities.These living entities aren't entities like the soul is. Animals have no soul, yet they have the Spirit, of course. Also, the soul might be a discrete thing, but as you said, the body and mind aren't, and because the soul is connected to these, the soul can be affected by the mind and body (by sin). Now, the only remedy to that is Faith, so by Grace I'm saved. Thanks Jesus, thanks Me. <3
>>216932144It's not about immersion.The numbers are speaking for themselves. PS2 world is specifically what normies want.
>>216957094>PS2 world is specifically what normies wantand it's all james hackeron can deliver! lol!
Is this retard still seething?When are you retards gonna learn that Jim always wins?
>>216957116>Sending franchise across %6BSIXBILLIES
It just needs an actual storyline. Make me care about shit and stop rehashing the same storyline. It looks so great and I want to be invested in this world nd it has a great villain/anti-hero but god does the writing suck ass
>>216957142>It looks so greatLOL
>>216957148Your argument?
>>216957186It looks like SHIT you FAGGOT
>>216951989Fuck corporats. Still, humanity first.
>>216934455Sequel trilogy had George's two previous trilogies plus Clone Wars and a million expanded universe stories to build up hype from 1977 to 2015. That's nearly 40 years of built up good will towards Star Wars, it wasn't going to evaporate overnight just because Force Awakens was derivative. Meanwhile, Avatar is currently in its first cycle, with only 3 released films. It's not riding the coattails of earlier trilogies. It got to the highest earning movie franchise spot purely on its own merits, very very unlike something like Last Jedi.
Is this the thread where you can go and be a sad faggot because that fucking hack jim won again?
>>216952177Any audience member with their head on the right way can perceive that those amazing themes are used with evil intent, against humanity. If instead of Na'vi they were people of the European race, I bet you most of the people saying that avatar is evil would say that it is good, and most of the people saying that avatar is good would say that it is evil (because nativist values are only good if they aren't for those of european race, isn't that right, faggot?)
>>216935264Did you reply to the wrong post by accident
>>216957442I don't do accidents.
>>216935692It hardly any fantasy more like HFY fags shitting allover the place because Corporation that bassicaly destroyed earth and now wants to do the same woth another planet is aperently "Based" because of "Human loyalty" when in reality corporate over lord don't give a fuck abaut humans.
>>216935166That's the core problem.Not only does the continuing success of Avatar completely dismantle the idea that internet dwelling losers are the majority of human civilization (far from it; social media is an insane asylum), but it also promotes masculinity, family values, and other things faggots especially despise.Note there are no fags in Avatar.
>>216957482Human loyalty is not the same as RDA loyalty. The faggots who like (((RDA))) are basically MIGA.
>>216957554There's something that faggots like even more than faggotry: promoting masculinity, family values, and "traditional" things AGAINST humanity and europeans. Look how faggots support islam even tho it is against their interests kek
>>216957744That's just virtue signalling. The fags' master plan is to kiss democrat politician asses in order to maybe get them to do what they want.Meanwhile the dem politicians don't give a shit because they're doing the exact same thing: kissing dem civilian asses to get them to do what the politicians want.Each group thinks it's cleverer than the other, too. It's hilarious.
>>216933720i can tell you: id love to watch a movie set on an alien planet that depicts a strange, alien civilization. that would be fun exploration. what i dont want is an aliens skin for cowboys and indians. if you want to tell a cowboys and indians story make a goddamn western not a sci-fi movieis this so hard to get?
>>216934410>we'll always have paris>louis i think this is the beginning of a great friendship>im shocked shock to find gambling going on herethe latter is more a snowclone>>216935002>you crossed the lineyeah james cameron invented this line guys! it was unheard of before 2009
>>216931570Humans have to win one movie. Just like episode 5 and thanos snap. Most people have zero interest in a franchise which just wanks native americans every. single. movie.
>>216958019The 4th movie will involve humans becoming like Spider. By the end of the film though, they’ll start connecting to Eywa rather than just conquering the place. Though for much of the film that might be what they’re doing. The 5th movie will involve an expedition to Earth to plant seeds of the great tree and allowing humans on Earth to connect to Eywa and begin healing the Earth.
>>216935789I've watched avatar 1 so many times I've committed the entire thing to memory
>>216931570Two more movies. We won't know what the true cultural impact will be until Cameron tells us the complete story.
>>216959739>Two more moviesmore like two more turds! lol!
>>216957646>RDA = MIGAHow so?
>>216959758Bodied that freak!
>>216935850same fanbase
>>216960155Avatar is popular in Russia?
>>216931783It means something like Pirates of the Carribbean. Every movie after that was some adventure movie tried to be it. That was culture impact.
>>216960166Where'd you think Abatap's from?
>>216931783"Cultural impact" is just a meme itself.
>>216960193Original Avatar started the new 3D fad. Every movie was shot in 3D afterwards.
>>216960211>Avatar started the 3D trendAnd that's a good thing. Movies stopped using it as a gimmick after that point too. It just sucks that we have cheap big screen televisions but no cheap 3D televisions to take the kino home.
>>216959739Isn't James Cameron planning to do two more movies himself and then passing the torch to a different director for 6 and 7?
I love how blue xenussy got Miles "1488" Quaritch to turn full blown race traitor
>>216960351The best part of the entire film.
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>>216960517I love her smile when she shoots things so much. Also like her prancing around “aiaiaiai!” after being shown how to make thunder.
>>216935193>antithetical to humanity Bullshit. That is baked into us and you are a child who doesn't want to admit it.
>>216931783>>216931801Avatar has had some pop culture impact. It has a relatively extensive wiki, along with forums and subreddits.Secondly, its cultural impact isn’t huge because it was made for immersion. Everything is realistically designed, from spaceships to military uniforms and vehicles, and there are very few one-liners or quips.In comparison, the MCU and Star Wars design everything to sell toys rather than for immersion, and the dialogue is full of shitty quips.In fact, it’s hypocritical how people criticize the MCU for quips but then claim that Avatar has no cultural impact precisely because it’s restrained.Same for Dune. Dune, by design was very restrained movie. very few quips and very minimalist design.So what fucking impact it should have had? Some quip for people to quote?
>>216960517This is just another form of blackface by the way. Look at her half commit to doing a tribal dance when she lifts the gun over her head.
>>216937617Yeah, and people act as if MCU has had super large cultural impact.Like, nerds dress as characters for Halloween, but they did that before MCU
>>216960687She's genuine Chilean tribal injun, she can dance all she wants
>>216960069hahahaha are you from /int/ too
>>216960155>>216960166LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>216931651>shows thing that is unique and worth saving>THIS IS PROPAGANDA!What is wrong with you?
>>216931651Cringe larp
There has consistently been at least 5 Avatar threads on /tv/ since it came out.
>>216960723All things should be destroyed. Ai ya! I torture animal, ya!
>>216960279>Isn't James Cameron planning to do two more movies himself and then passing the torch to a different director for 6 and 7?I don't know? But everything after the Cameron Kino will just be fan fiction extended universe shit.
>>216960794I really wish they would stop it with Cameron’s work. But it’s made so much money it’s almost certainly going to get destroyed by greedy execs just like everything else. And they won’t even realize they’re the real RDA.
>>216931570Has very little worldbuilding and lore so not much for people to talk about after the movies.Needs a TV show, needs novels, needs to get actual scifi writers to flesh out the world and setting.Needs better leads in movie beyond 2 cookie cutter 2004 hoo haa War on Terror mearines and a bunch of stereotypical natives.Only two interesting characters are psycho fire bitch and gaia sigorney weaver because they actually have interesting things going on with them.They cut the psycho scenes of Neytiri from Way of Water that shows she's basically an ultra-racist serial killer Navi Nazi which makes her way more interesting.https://youtu.be/3MBYg6dm41A?si=5lDEUUCapF3-b2WQ&t=191Also when you think about it, it literally does not matter if people die since the Afterlife is basically a parallel dimension that the living can literally just connect to and still hang with those dead people and go on adventures with.
>>216960704>Even if it only forms part of my DNA, I feel more Latin American than anything elseNo she fucking isn't. She is Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter. She is as much a British-Romani gypsy as she is a Mapuche. And she's embarrassed to do it for longer than a second at the behest of a rich white man and she's not the only character doing blackface. Also blackface is cool I'm just noticing thing.
>>216961024Do you want to talk about the spaceships with me?
In a changing global market, this is one of the last chances Hollywood has to gross $2b (whether it actually makes that much or not), yet balding 50 year old online grifters say it has less cultural impact than anything else
>>216961101Tell me the lore boss man.
