>>217068215>retard who wrote a shit "movie" talks about the decline of movies Such opinion is nothing
>>217068215>audiences became manchildren
>>217068215But movies in the 70's sucked?
>Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice about wife swapping, and Coming Home about Vietnam veterans.and Cruising, about fistfucking a man in the ass
>>217068215Sorry grandpa, but film is going the way of ballet, the novel, radio, musical stageplays, the symphony, the hurdy gurdy and a thousand other art forms. The internet exploded the monoculture into a billion splinters, and you're failing to compete for market share. Too bad.
>>217068215And now we have audiences that embraced all of those things, so why the change?
>>217068215>victim blamingHard disagree
>>217068215>old man yells at cloudit's just big studios using data to make creative decisions. data driven decision making kills creativity and novelty because it is informed by distributions of things that have already been created.
>>217068215muh women's rights muh war. a very limited number of people ever care about issues, even back then they just wanted to watch sitcoms and people getting shot, eaten by sharks etc.
>>217068215>movies can't possibly be shitty... it must be the audiences fault!Hard to argue with that logic.
>>217068215I mean he’s kind of right, considering that movies and shows like marvel and stranger things are the most popular these days
So he's complaining that people are tired of being told what to think by Jewish media?
>>217068926are they? everyone is shitting on both marvel and stranger thingsand i'm not talking about everyone here
>>217068215>It's not that us filmmakers are letting you down, it's you audiences are letting us downsounds like a skill issue, Paul
>>217068215It's a half-truth. It's true that movies back then were socially relevant but it's not true that it was because people took them seriously. People will take anything seriously as long as it's about subjects that interest them. Take clowns like Paul Rogan or Alex Jones: people take them seriously simply because they address those issues, whereas film studios keep evading reality and pretending everything's fine and if you see something wrong it's because you are wrong. Why would anyone pay a ticket for to the movies to get lectured? Church does it for free.
>Kike complaining how people loved to eat the subversive propaganda slop back in the day and because now they don't, cinema has declined.Movies suck now because the industry is filled with incompetent nepo babies and DEI hires. Also, there's still plenty of subversive propaganda in films, people are just bored of it.
>>217068215the propaganda lecture movies of the 70s didn't feel like propaganda lecture movies because the casts were 95% whitenow that fat black women delivering the dialogue people recognize it for the propaganda lecture that it is
>>217068215they keep doing the same transgressive themes, that are not only no longer transgressive, but effectively the status quoThey don't understand all this preaching these days sound like their christian mom caricatures that only existed in their heads
>>217068215>picrel>considered a good movie back then>it's awfulMovies back then were worse than today.>>217069317
>>217069452Norma Rae is an evil movie.
>>217069359He's not a Jew, he's a Calvinist
Hollywood was always subversive, it was just harder to notice back thenDevon Stack has talked about this
>>217068215>moviesthankfully, tv is still good
>>217069542Just as evil.
>>217069589>Hollywood It's artists in general. If anything Hollywood was less subversive than all those New Waves from all over Europe or Japan.
>movies suck now because audiences no longer want to watch Jewish self-insert flicks about the goodness of mankindthank God
The audience is the problem? Good luck with that marketing strategy.
But reality is just the opposite of what he says. People want every story to be about something. They aren't asking depth but political activism within the movie that aligns perfectly with their ideologies. Like, you know it's a problem of audiences taking themselves too serious when they make Thanos a debate case about the environment.
>>217069491it's terrible because it removed all the actual hot fetish shit from the books and just was a lame Conan rip offthe Wikipedia page on the series trying to condemn the sex content in the books is hilarious, compare it to 50 Shades of Grey which they makes excuses for
>>217068215True, people were more mature back then. But this is partially the fault of Hollywood. They basically taught people to be obsessed over franchises for children going back to Star Wars and then LotR and Harry Potter.
Ouchie! Schradersissies.... not like this....
>>217069779>dm;hs
>>217068215So what's on this horny geezer's mind is still deviancy of the gooner variety. Got it!Movies actually did get better, and the worst ones today are preachy libtard trash.
>>217068215Okay Paul, it's the audience's fault that Hollywood makes bad movies? Here's what's playing at my local cinema:>Anaconda >Five Nights at Freddy's 2>Marty Supreme>Song Sung Blue >The Dutchman >DavidWere any of these movies made based on audience demand? Was anyone demanding movies about a Jewish ping pong champion or a Neil Diamond tribute band? Were audiences screaming for a fucking Jack Black/Paul Rudd Anaconda reboot, or a black miscegenation fantasy about Kate Mara? No. Hollywood made them because Hollywood makes it wants to make, not what audiences want it to make. Schrader is just another out-of-touch Boomer who refuses to engage in systemic critique. For that generation, everything is a problem EXCEPT the people who actually have power.
>>217068863When the audience flocks to MCU slop and ignores actually interesting, serious movies, yes. The audience is at fault.
>>217068553Mommy...
>>217069452>I’m… le racist and thus can’t enjoy anything anymore Careful with that edge, kid. One of these days you’ll cut yourself
>>217069891Marty Supreme is good. The audiences wanted another fnaf movie. The first one did really well.
>>217069892>interesting, serious moviesName two.
>>217069589>it was just harder to notice back thenGive me a fucking break. How many hits on the head did you suffer in school to say stupid bullshit like this?
>>217068215Taxi Driver writer Paul Schrader:
>>217069992SinnersBugonia
>>217068553What one is this from?
>>217068215>the entire population has become stupid but not filmmakersSure boomer
>>217070007lmao I'm totally sure you saw all the boomer propaganda in Forrest gump when you were a kidhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpVIVRIjRfE&t=2s
>>217069922Did you just blow in from bReddit or something? That's a very valid concern he pointed out, and just hand waving it with passive aggressive rhetoric isn't going to change anyone's minds anymore. This is why no one listens to you people, you don't have to agree with someone but you can at least do them the service of not talking to them like some preacher on a pulpit.
>>217070091>I was a kid so I didn’t get itExactly, you dumb fuck.
>>217070152>muh racism is hecking valid!!Oh wow you really convinced me.
>>217070153watch out we got a smartass over here
It was different in the 70's because creators understood that characters and stories are complex and not one note mouth pieces for the latest political fad.Audiences now choose the dumb shit over your propaganda because your films literally offers nothing but out-of-touch strawman.Get fucked.
>>217070091Forrest Gump has been criticized for being a conservative propaganda from the very start.
>>217070192I'm not that anon. I just walked into this thread scrolling the by and I was reading your response. You just sound like a pretentious asshole. You guys pointing out racism isn't going to make you seem like the moral Paragon You see yourself as when you talk down to someone like that. It comes off as extremely preachy, like a Christian yelling at a gay guy in a gay bar. You're on 4chan. You're gonna get people talking about racial aspects of /tv/ because it's something that concerns them. They don't need to justify it before the committee like on other websites. I know I'm harking on you specifically a lot, but I just see it from people that pull the same passive aggressive bullshit you do and it's just ugly to me.
>movies are shit now because audiences are FINALLY(to an extent) separating movies from reality and not getting all of their news and political takes from sheltered hollywood jewsFuck off boomer. When people talk about the greats of 70s film they don't talk about the shit on that list, movies that only exist to lecture you about a few specific political issues only relevant to that time. They talk about films that are permanently relevant because they don't just tie themselves entirely to current issues. When people say they love The Godfather, One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, Taxi Driver, Apocalypse Now, Exorcist, Jaws, Star Wars, etc, they're not saying "Oh I love those because they did a good job telling me what to think about 70s gay bars" they're saying they like them because they're entertaining, well crafted, and had a timeless quality with themes that were relevant to all people living in all time periods, and THESE are the things completely missing from modern cinema. 90% of the time a politically motivated movie about current events is a movie that stops being relevant and is forgotten within 5 years.Really though he's not saying he misses good movies, hes saying he misses how much power movies used to have over the minds of the peasantry.We're not getting classic quality movies back anytime soon because even the few remaining veterans of that period don't seem to understand what made those films good, our only hope is in the next generation relearning everything from scratch.
>>217070385>our only hope is in the next generation relearning everything from scratch.Never happening. Back then you had limited choices, funneling people into the industry, but these days with the internet your options are infinite, and becoming a film director is last on the list for potential fame and income.
>>217070385I hear this loud and clear. And it's really true, a lot of Hollywood is built on social conditioning, it was even used by the military for a time, if not even today. They lost all of that power because Hollywood just isn't as relevant when you have a source of your own research outside of the library. There's been a lot of effort to squeeze the internet down for the same desire for control. Great movies like"The last action hero" are simply not going to be passion projects anymore. There's too many people in Hollywood that only want to use movies as vehicles to preach rhetoric, and they insist upon this because they exist in circles that repeat the same mindset. They don't want to make movies to entertain, they want to make praises to their sociopolitical gods. Performances. The music industry is even louder about this than movies. A large portion of those people hate AI, but I think it's a good thing because it shakes up what was a very incestuous institution that had no challengers. They were already rattled from social media celebrities making their own content outside of Hollywood, AI shook them even more. Perhaps after a great collapse of that institution, some people with heart will return. It's a pipe dream, but keeping things the same status quo wasn't going to solve anything either.
>>217070039>SinnersLiterally a home-video-tier horror movie wrapped in farts for guilty white people.>BugoniaSounded more interesting than it was.
>>217068215No women most movies from this era are forgotten. Pure filth.
>>217069359what does DEI mean? oh wait you don’t know
>>217070091we watched Forrest Gump my whole childhood and I had zero issues with it, then one day I was watching it with my Dad and he had been drinking, and he called out the bullshit with Jenny whoring around and coming back with a son expecting to be welcomed inmakes me wish I'd watched more movies with drunk Dad before he got sober
>>217070556Diversity equity inclusionA new religion
>>217070556>DEI doesn't exist! Just close your eyes!It's quite amazing how far you faggots will go to pretend something doesn't exist when it blatantly does.
>>217068215Wasn't Taxi Driver just him seething about stupid audiences liking Death Wish? (an actual good film)Either way, his weeaboo brother did it better
>>217068215>The sheep don’t take our propaganda seriously
>>217069891Based Five Nights at Freddy’s is what the audience wants
>>217070556>>217070645A large part of Progressive strategy is to pretend not to know what you're talking about. Being nebulous allows you to avoid actually providing a valid argument, and tire out the opponent by forcing them to explain every detail of their position over and over.
>>217070192>>muh racism is hecking valid!!It is
>>217070655You are not serious, are you?
>>217070810This is why they constantly tell you to define what woke is, they have to act disingenuous
>>217070556It means you’re a gigantic fucking retard that doesn’t understand your genitals.
>>217068215Society has become more and more infantile. In the 70s you didn't have grown men watching superhero or video games movies. He is right in that society has changed. Nowadays is all movies about superheros, fantasy, video games. I think the movies in the 70s were more for adults, edgier, sexual, etc.
>>217069018they definitely are
No, that's not it.These types of movies never did well, they just usually also had a rock bottom budget so being niche still means they could make money. With DVD, rental and VHS sales, they could even reach cult status after release.Nowadays, these movies are higher budget, and seeing the same level of success comparably, but streaming and netflix has totally killed off any chance of a second wind.>Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice$2M Budget$32M BO>Coming Home$3M Budget$33M BO>An Unmarried Woman$2.5M Budget$24M BOHollywood is blaming me for them biting the forbidden fruit.
>>217068215Huh, is he just flat out retarded?
>>217071031number of people watching does not equate to number of people liking
>>217070556Just dont argue with these people and enjoy their seethe as the world becomes more and more woke and they shit their diapers in frustration lole
>>217068215>blaming the audience
>>217071042Those are pretty big numbers. Today they wouldn't make shit. People don't want dramas, but only pure escapism. And only from franchises they already recognize.
>>217071083>the world becomes more and more wokeExcept wokeness has peaked 5 years ago and increasing amount of people have black and gay fatigue, surveys also show next generations are less woke than millennials
>>217068215Boomer lib nonsense
>>217068926No, he's fucking retarded, considering the shit he claims that 70s movies were about (which they generally weren't) are an infinitely bigger focus today, despite the fact that none of those groups are oppressed in any way.Old movies were good for a variety of reasons, but it's certainly not for addressing those things. It's the opposite. They were allowed to portray a much more realistic world, rather than purely making propaganda and flipping reality on its head. Even the shit that did address political issues was far more nuanced and balanced, rather than relying on crude black and white caricatures.
>>217071131He won't admit it, but his movement was largely astroturfed by financial giants like Larry Fink, and government subsidies like USAID. Only a small, closed circle of fanatics genuinely believed and supported progressive intersectional ideology and its many branches. A good indicator of this was during the last election cycle, the amount of angry, frothing bRedditors who felt betrayed by voters electing Trump again despite All of their social media feeds saying he was absolutely going to lose, just like he did against Hillary. They live in a closed bubble of yes men who all vehemently agree with the message and never challenge it. You'll see the same mindset in Hollywood, and their dismay when reality does not line up with ideology. This is actually very related to /tv/ because it has affected the output of Hollywood tremendously. They don't know what people want, they want to tell people what they want.
