>>217068215>retard who wrote a shit "movie" talks about the decline of movies Such opinion is nothing
>>217068215>audiences became manchildren
>>217068215But movies in the 70's sucked?
>Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice about wife swapping, and Coming Home about Vietnam veterans.and Cruising, about fistfucking a man in the ass
>>217068215Sorry grandpa, but film is going the way of ballet, the novel, radio, musical stageplays, the symphony, the hurdy gurdy and a thousand other art forms. The internet exploded the monoculture into a billion splinters, and you're failing to compete for market share. Too bad.
>>217068215And now we have audiences that embraced all of those things, so why the change?
>>217068215>victim blamingHard disagree
>>217068215>old man yells at cloudit's just big studios using data to make creative decisions. data driven decision making kills creativity and novelty because it is informed by distributions of things that have already been created.
>>217068215muh women's rights muh war. a very limited number of people ever care about issues, even back then they just wanted to watch sitcoms and people getting shot, eaten by sharks etc.
>>217068215>movies can't possibly be shitty... it must be the audiences fault!Hard to argue with that logic.
>>217068215I mean he’s kind of right, considering that movies and shows like marvel and stranger things are the most popular these days
So he's complaining that people are tired of being told what to think by Jewish media?
>>217068926are they? everyone is shitting on both marvel and stranger thingsand i'm not talking about everyone here
>>217068215>It's not that us filmmakers are letting you down, it's you audiences are letting us downsounds like a skill issue, Paul
>>217068215It's a half-truth. It's true that movies back then were socially relevant but it's not true that it was because people took them seriously. People will take anything seriously as long as it's about subjects that interest them. Take clowns like Paul Rogan or Alex Jones: people take them seriously simply because they address those issues, whereas film studios keep evading reality and pretending everything's fine and if you see something wrong it's because you are wrong. Why would anyone pay a ticket for to the movies to get lectured? Church does it for free.
>Kike complaining how people loved to eat the subversive propaganda slop back in the day and because now they don't, cinema has declined.Movies suck now because the industry is filled with incompetent nepo babies and DEI hires. Also, there's still plenty of subversive propaganda in films, people are just bored of it.
>>217068215the propaganda lecture movies of the 70s didn't feel like propaganda lecture movies because the casts were 95% whitenow that fat black women delivering the dialogue people recognize it for the propaganda lecture that it is
>>217068215they keep doing the same transgressive themes, that are not only no longer transgressive, but effectively the status quoThey don't understand all this preaching these days sound like their christian mom caricatures that only existed in their heads
>>217068215>picrel>considered a good movie back then>it's awfulMovies back then were worse than today.>>217069317
>>217069452Norma Rae is an evil movie.
>>217069359He's not a Jew, he's a Calvinist
Hollywood was always subversive, it was just harder to notice back thenDevon Stack has talked about this
>>217068215>moviesthankfully, tv is still good
>>217069542Just as evil.
>>217069589>Hollywood It's artists in general. If anything Hollywood was less subversive than all those New Waves from all over Europe or Japan.
>movies suck now because audiences no longer want to watch Jewish self-insert flicks about the goodness of mankindthank God
The audience is the problem? Good luck with that marketing strategy.
But reality is just the opposite of what he says. People want every story to be about something. They aren't asking depth but political activism within the movie that aligns perfectly with their ideologies. Like, you know it's a problem of audiences taking themselves too serious when they make Thanos a debate case about the environment.
>>217069491it's terrible because it removed all the actual hot fetish shit from the books and just was a lame Conan rip offthe Wikipedia page on the series trying to condemn the sex content in the books is hilarious, compare it to 50 Shades of Grey which they makes excuses for
>>217068215True, people were more mature back then. But this is partially the fault of Hollywood. They basically taught people to be obsessed over franchises for children going back to Star Wars and then LotR and Harry Potter.
Ouchie! Schradersissies.... not like this....
>>217069779>dm;hs
>>217068215So what's on this horny geezer's mind is still deviancy of the gooner variety. Got it!Movies actually did get better, and the worst ones today are preachy libtard trash.
>>217068215Okay Paul, it's the audience's fault that Hollywood makes bad movies? Here's what's playing at my local cinema:>Anaconda >Five Nights at Freddy's 2>Marty Supreme>Song Sung Blue >The Dutchman >DavidWere any of these movies made based on audience demand? Was anyone demanding movies about a Jewish ping pong champion or a Neil Diamond tribute band? Were audiences screaming for a fucking Jack Black/Paul Rudd Anaconda reboot, or a black miscegenation fantasy about Kate Mara? No. Hollywood made them because Hollywood makes it wants to make, not what audiences want it to make. Schrader is just another out-of-touch Boomer who refuses to engage in systemic critique. For that generation, everything is a problem EXCEPT the people who actually have power.
>>217068863When the audience flocks to MCU slop and ignores actually interesting, serious movies, yes. The audience is at fault.
>>217068553Mommy...
>>217069452>I’m… le racist and thus can’t enjoy anything anymore Careful with that edge, kid. One of these days you’ll cut yourself
>>217069891Marty Supreme is good. The audiences wanted another fnaf movie. The first one did really well.
>>217069892>interesting, serious moviesName two.
>>217069589>it was just harder to notice back thenGive me a fucking break. How many hits on the head did you suffer in school to say stupid bullshit like this?
>>217068215Taxi Driver writer Paul Schrader:
>>217069992SinnersBugonia
>>217068553What one is this from?
>>217068215>the entire population has become stupid but not filmmakersSure boomer
>>217070007lmao I'm totally sure you saw all the boomer propaganda in Forrest gump when you were a kidhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpVIVRIjRfE&t=2s
>>217069922Did you just blow in from bReddit or something? That's a very valid concern he pointed out, and just hand waving it with passive aggressive rhetoric isn't going to change anyone's minds anymore. This is why no one listens to you people, you don't have to agree with someone but you can at least do them the service of not talking to them like some preacher on a pulpit.
>>217070091>I was a kid so I didn’t get itExactly, you dumb fuck.
>>217070152>muh racism is hecking valid!!Oh wow you really convinced me.
>>217070153watch out we got a smartass over here
It was different in the 70's because creators understood that characters and stories are complex and not one note mouth pieces for the latest political fad.Audiences now choose the dumb shit over your propaganda because your films literally offers nothing but out-of-touch strawman.Get fucked.
>>217070091Forrest Gump has been criticized for being a conservative propaganda from the very start.
>>217070192I'm not that anon. I just walked into this thread scrolling the by and I was reading your response. You just sound like a pretentious asshole. You guys pointing out racism isn't going to make you seem like the moral Paragon You see yourself as when you talk down to someone like that. It comes off as extremely preachy, like a Christian yelling at a gay guy in a gay bar. You're on 4chan. You're gonna get people talking about racial aspects of /tv/ because it's something that concerns them. They don't need to justify it before the committee like on other websites. I know I'm harking on you specifically a lot, but I just see it from people that pull the same passive aggressive bullshit you do and it's just ugly to me.
>movies are shit now because audiences are FINALLY(to an extent) separating movies from reality and not getting all of their news and political takes from sheltered hollywood jewsFuck off boomer. When people talk about the greats of 70s film they don't talk about the shit on that list, movies that only exist to lecture you about a few specific political issues only relevant to that time. They talk about films that are permanently relevant because they don't just tie themselves entirely to current issues. When people say they love The Godfather, One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest, Taxi Driver, Apocalypse Now, Exorcist, Jaws, Star Wars, etc, they're not saying "Oh I love those because they did a good job telling me what to think about 70s gay bars" they're saying they like them because they're entertaining, well crafted, and had a timeless quality with themes that were relevant to all people living in all time periods, and THESE are the things completely missing from modern cinema. 90% of the time a politically motivated movie about current events is a movie that stops being relevant and is forgotten within 5 years.Really though he's not saying he misses good movies, hes saying he misses how much power movies used to have over the minds of the peasantry.We're not getting classic quality movies back anytime soon because even the few remaining veterans of that period don't seem to understand what made those films good, our only hope is in the next generation relearning everything from scratch.
>>217070385>our only hope is in the next generation relearning everything from scratch.Never happening. Back then you had limited choices, funneling people into the industry, but these days with the internet your options are infinite, and becoming a film director is last on the list for potential fame and income.
>>217070385I hear this loud and clear. And it's really true, a lot of Hollywood is built on social conditioning, it was even used by the military for a time, if not even today. They lost all of that power because Hollywood just isn't as relevant when you have a source of your own research outside of the library. There's been a lot of effort to squeeze the internet down for the same desire for control. Great movies like"The last action hero" are simply not going to be passion projects anymore. There's too many people in Hollywood that only want to use movies as vehicles to preach rhetoric, and they insist upon this because they exist in circles that repeat the same mindset. They don't want to make movies to entertain, they want to make praises to their sociopolitical gods. Performances. The music industry is even louder about this than movies. A large portion of those people hate AI, but I think it's a good thing because it shakes up what was a very incestuous institution that had no challengers. They were already rattled from social media celebrities making their own content outside of Hollywood, AI shook them even more. Perhaps after a great collapse of that institution, some people with heart will return. It's a pipe dream, but keeping things the same status quo wasn't going to solve anything either.
>>217070039>SinnersLiterally a home-video-tier horror movie wrapped in farts for guilty white people.>BugoniaSounded more interesting than it was.
>>217068215No women most movies from this era are forgotten. Pure filth.
>>217069359what does DEI mean? oh wait you don’t know
>>217070091we watched Forrest Gump my whole childhood and I had zero issues with it, then one day I was watching it with my Dad and he had been drinking, and he called out the bullshit with Jenny whoring around and coming back with a son expecting to be welcomed inmakes me wish I'd watched more movies with drunk Dad before he got sober
>>217070556Diversity equity inclusionA new religion
>>217070556>DEI doesn't exist! Just close your eyes!It's quite amazing how far you faggots will go to pretend something doesn't exist when it blatantly does.
>>217068215Wasn't Taxi Driver just him seething about stupid audiences liking Death Wish? (an actual good film)Either way, his weeaboo brother did it better
>>217068215>The sheep don’t take our propaganda seriously
>>217069891Based Five Nights at Freddy’s is what the audience wants
>>217070556>>217070645A large part of Progressive strategy is to pretend not to know what you're talking about. Being nebulous allows you to avoid actually providing a valid argument, and tire out the opponent by forcing them to explain every detail of their position over and over.
>>217070192>>muh racism is hecking valid!!It is
>>217070655You are not serious, are you?
>>217070810This is why they constantly tell you to define what woke is, they have to act disingenuous
>>217070556It means you’re a gigantic fucking retard that doesn’t understand your genitals.
>>217068215Society has become more and more infantile. In the 70s you didn't have grown men watching superhero or video games movies. He is right in that society has changed. Nowadays is all movies about superheros, fantasy, video games. I think the movies in the 70s were more for adults, edgier, sexual, etc.
>>217069018they definitely are
No, that's not it.These types of movies never did well, they just usually also had a rock bottom budget so being niche still means they could make money. With DVD, rental and VHS sales, they could even reach cult status after release.Nowadays, these movies are higher budget, and seeing the same level of success comparably, but streaming and netflix has totally killed off any chance of a second wind.>Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice$2M Budget$32M BO>Coming Home$3M Budget$33M BO>An Unmarried Woman$2.5M Budget$24M BOHollywood is blaming me for them biting the forbidden fruit.
>>217068215Huh, is he just flat out retarded?
>>217071031number of people watching does not equate to number of people liking
>>217070556Just dont argue with these people and enjoy their seethe as the world becomes more and more woke and they shit their diapers in frustration lole
>>217068215>blaming the audience
>>217071042Those are pretty big numbers. Today they wouldn't make shit. People don't want dramas, but only pure escapism. And only from franchises they already recognize.
>>217071083>the world becomes more and more wokeExcept wokeness has peaked 5 years ago and increasing amount of people have black and gay fatigue, surveys also show next generations are less woke than millennials
>>217068215Boomer lib nonsense
>>217068926No, he's fucking retarded, considering the shit he claims that 70s movies were about (which they generally weren't) are an infinitely bigger focus today, despite the fact that none of those groups are oppressed in any way.Old movies were good for a variety of reasons, but it's certainly not for addressing those things. It's the opposite. They were allowed to portray a much more realistic world, rather than purely making propaganda and flipping reality on its head. Even the shit that did address political issues was far more nuanced and balanced, rather than relying on crude black and white caricatures.
>>217071131He won't admit it, but his movement was largely astroturfed by financial giants like Larry Fink, and government subsidies like USAID. Only a small, closed circle of fanatics genuinely believed and supported progressive intersectional ideology and its many branches. A good indicator of this was during the last election cycle, the amount of angry, frothing bRedditors who felt betrayed by voters electing Trump again despite All of their social media feeds saying he was absolutely going to lose, just like he did against Hillary. They live in a closed bubble of yes men who all vehemently agree with the message and never challenge it. You'll see the same mindset in Hollywood, and their dismay when reality does not line up with ideology. This is actually very related to /tv/ because it has affected the output of Hollywood tremendously. They don't know what people want, they want to tell people what they want.
>>217071083>woke doesnt exist but enjoy as we make the world more woke chudcant even avoid contradicting yourself within one sentence.
>>217071189Modern movies don't address shit. Modern movies include some of these issues in garbage flicks for children.
>>217071131*taps the sign*
>>217071133Schrader is a chud though
>>217070039goyslop
>>217070556>>217070645reminder
>>217068215He's right, people go out for Zootopia and Minecraft, making them billion dollar successes but when an actual serious movie comes out theyre making fun of it like with Warfare.>haha american zogbots crying xddd
lol, chuds too dumb to understand what he meant now cry for the whole thread about muh DEI and woke, kek. Why are right wingers so fucking stupid?
>>217068215He talks shit like some libtarded faggot.
>>217071131No, even if more people complain about woke shit, that doesn't mean it's declined at all. If anything, it has been completely normalized and young people in particular aren't even aware of it. It's been the dominant ideology in all forms of entertainment for over a decade now, so it's all they know.Hell, people frequently use the whole "it was a different time" about shit from the 2000s. Imagine thinking the 2000s was some kind of distant past where everyone was deeply conservative and bigoted.
>>217071330thanks for proving my point>>217071312Leftists really can't argue in good faith
>>217068215Things were easier back in the 70s films didnt have the colossal task of competing with vydia gaims
>>217071369>it has been completely normalized and young people in particular aren't even aware of itYoung men realize the system is fucked so they don't want to support it, they see women and non whites get all the jobs while they are fucked
>>217071330Can you really not see why people would rather vote for the king of "stupid right wingers" over people like you? Look at what you're typing right now, who the fuck would want someone like you in power that can only regurgitate passive aggressive rhetoric like a spoiled camp gay man?
>>217071369You see people calling out jews on mainstream places like youtube or tiktok all the time now
>>217068215>What we should feel about thisAnd this is where his level propaganda doesn't sell anymore.
>>217071369That's not what I'm seeing on social media across several platforms. As a matter of fact there's such a massive pushback and naming of the progressive stack ideologies, I find myself in shock. People outright naming financers and certain groups of people responsible for spearheading the movement. Things that they used to get outright banned for are now becoming commonplace. I think you're quite wrong in your summation of the current zeitgeist, or lived in a closed off bubble. I have a wide birth of circles in my information feed.
>>217071573I don't care, I'm not a politician. You're still a dumb fucking retard crying about an old interview on 4chan. And yes, you don't understand what he meant if you think it's about DEI or wokeness.
>>217068215completely out-of-touch boomer take. the 70s happened because the studios were collapsing and desperate to appeal to young audiences so they let a handful of young and very talented white/jewish filmmakers enter into the system and make their risky dangerous art. the current studios are collapsing in the same way but their response has been to double down on retarded IP remakism and DEI.
of course the audience is to blame. the star wars sequels made billions and that was just a reboot. there have been lots of other reboots too and you've all swallowed them down. the only reboot you guys were against was ghostbusters and that's because of the woke shit. all the other cancer like avatar is fine to you. it's all your fault, now stop acting like you don't know what he's saying and pretending he's talking about people not like woke shit and not you being an idiotic consooomer you bad faith faggot
>>217068215>blocks your path
>>217070037his facebook posts are unreasonably based
>>217071717More rightoid cope. Look at the biggest box office hits of the year, you idiot. Look at them and tell me if this audience actually wants risky dangerous art. Do right wing influencers watch those old risky movies, or do they watch only stupid capeshit? How many 70s movies do you think Drinker on nerdrotic watched?
>>217071759>farmer replaces pig slop with literal shit>pigs forced to eat shit for their only calories>it's the fucking pigs fault for eating shit! they should've starved themselves instead!!
if only there were pressing issues today he could make a movie about that audiences could take seriously. Taxi Driver is only good because Schrader didn't direct it, he sucks so bad
>>217071717This. They were also more willing to take the crazy risky scripts and not turn it into boardroom slop.
>>217070810Just pull one of their strategies and say, "well, I guess I'm not arguing with someone in good faith".
>>217071876>I just have to watch movies no matter how shit they arelmao you deserve everything you get with that attitude
>>217071837Nice strawman retard. I've been enjoying the hell out of 70s movies I never watched growing up in the 00s. Sorcerer blew my mind. They'd never make something that good with practical effects again. I've not seen capeshit since I saw the first captain america in high school.
>>217071837How can you claim the audience doesn't want something when it's literally not an option? There wasn't one interesting piece of cinematic art provided by Hollywood in 2025. Their best attempts were Viva Antifa: The Movie by PTA and Race Baitslop #32324235523 by DEI Coogler.
>>217068215>We used to have serious conversations about wife swapping but you people won't listen anymore!Shame on you, America
>>217071880It's an interview from 2018. It was basically an interview about his recent movie First Reformed.
>>217071924believe it or not, people used to have a habit of going to the movies and expecting it to not be 100% agitprop garbage. the woke era completely broke the trust with the audience and now no one with a functioning brain expects anything new to be good.
>In his autobiography, written in 1971, Frank Capra expressed his feelings about the shifting film industry:>"The winds of change blew through the dream factories of make-believe, tore at its crinoline tatters ... The hedonists, the homosexuals, the hemophiliac bleeding hearts, the God-haters, the quick-buck artists who substituted shock for talent, all cried: "Shake 'em! Rattle 'em! God is dead. Long live pleasure! Nudity? Yea! Wife-swapping? Yea! Liberate the world from prudery. Emancipate our films from morality!" ... Kill for thrill—shock! Shock! To hell with the good in man, Dredge up his evil—shock! Shock!">Capra added that in his opinion, "practically all the Hollywood film-making of today is stooping to cheap salacious pornography in a crazy bastardization of a great art to compete for the 'patronage' of deviates and masturbators." Film historian Michael Medved agreed with Capra, noting that he walked away from the movie business because "he refused to adjust to the cynicism of the new order."
>>217072033How old is this woke era if already by the middle of 2000s all the biggest movies were franchises or movies for children?
>>217068215>old man ANGRAYYYDo something about it and shut the fuck up with your condescending rant. Not all of us are 43 year old virgins with an action figure collection in our parents basement worshipping Zack Snyder and the Russo bros.Make some fucking kino and ppl will watch.
>>217072113Yeah, finally Hollywood movies got good and could compete with Japanese and European movies.
>>217070556Didn't Earn It.
>>217068553babby wants to suck
>>217072133>just stop people consooming slop or shut the fuck upkek
>>217072114>this woke eraah, so now we're at the point in the argument where the leftoid faggot pretends to not understand anything. IAYC.
>>217072133I like that that ancient kike actually thinks the problem is that after decades of being used as shameless vectors for political propaganda, audiences no longer take movies seriously, and thus they are no longer useful as a vector for political propagandaIt's like a virus particle complaining that suddenly the cells in the body have stopped producing energy and the whole body's turning cold
>>217072113Happens to every generation, pic rel.This Greatestgenerationoomer couldn't be more wrong, New Hollywood is widely considered the peak of American cinema
>>217072133No he's right. See the audience is just not class conscious enough to appreciate The Joker getting raped by guards. Todd didn't fail, we failed Todd.
>>217072284He's not a Jew and you don't understand what he means. In the 70s movies were considered a serious artistic medium, in 2018 most of the audiences treat them as pure entertainment.
Is this guy a kike?>oh no people aren't glomming on to the kike cause of the moment like they did before!
>>217072522Worse he's a Calvinist
>>217072522No, he's a born and raised Calvinist.He's just old and out of touch, probably the onset of dementia
>>217072569>>217072586>CalvanistYeah, nobody's like "I'm a Calvanist!"He's a kike, you can admit it.
>>217072408I do understand what he means, but I understand better what he's done. In the 70s mainstream film had earned a great deal of credibility as a serious artistic medium. That credibility was then squandered by people like Schrader, and those much less talented by him, who being activists saw the medium as primarily a useful vector for their political propaganda. It turns out, though, that people get tired of thinly-veiled political lectures disguised as art, and now the medium has been ruined for that purposePeople never went to the movies to learn the correct opinions to have about current events and social issues. That is an insane position for him to have, and decades of people having that position destroyed Hollywood.
>>217069891Maybe if you gay retards showed up for anything but video games that play like movies and movies that play like video games with any consistency those studios would be forced to cater to you or die.
>>217072652He actually is a goy but he spent most of his life rubbing elbows with Hollyjews.It's inevitable that some of their Jewiness rubbed off on him
>>217072668>That credibility was then squandered by people like Schrader, and those much less talented by himElaborate on this with examples from Schrader's filmography.
>>217072340The audience did indeed not have enough class consciousness to truly appreciate Arthur's Joker.The first movie was TRVELY a call to arms for the alienated and neglected parts of Society™ to RISE UP. But half a decade passed since the first movie's release and people only became more docile than ever. Todd's vision of proles who can't take it no mo', embodied by Arthur, RISING UP to take down oppressive power structures is nowhere to be seen. Joaquin's Joker inspired at most they/them teens and Indians making joker tick tock parodies.Joker 2 Folie a Doo's ending says it all: the sensitive softboy uwu joaquin Joker- that's you and me, the class unconscious audience--MUST DIE; the chaotic radical heath joker--the revolutionary ideal on Todd Phillips' and Paul Shredder's minds--MUST LIVE. The sequel's poor audience reception is not a condemnation of Todd's artistic integrity but of our inability to break free from the metal shackles placed upon us by our masters. So yes, Todd did not fail. We failed Todd.
>>217068215>my political manifesto (echoing the establishment status quo word by word) is ridiculed and ignored because everyone else is wrong!!I have jew fatigue.
>>217072795holy shit>are you implying there's some sort of political commentary in Taxi Driver, Blue Collar, Hardcore, Master Gardener, Light Sleeper, American Gigolo?!!!Check out this quote from Paul Schrader>A lot of what was happening in the world had people in consternation -- women's rights, gay rights, sexual liberation, drug liberation, anti-war. All of these things were rolling on top of each other and people were turning to the arts, specifically movies, for what we should feel about this."He is open that he viewed movies as a way to tell people what opinions to have. It has been a popular delusion in Hollywood for about sixty years now.Pretty much every good story contains a compelling moral argument. The problem is political activists, and especially left-wing ones, confuse their political opinions with moral positions (more, they think their political opinions are the only possible moral position and anyone who disagrees does so for immoral reasons), and everyone's sick of paying $50 to go get lectured about politics by rich artists who haven't had a real job in decadesIt's no surprise that the big box office blockbusters stay the fuck away from politics, with the exception of Marvel capeshit which dipped its toe into that and suffered an immediate box office collapse
>>217068215He's right and he's smarter than you. What he said is only wrong on its face, it contains the real unpleasant truth. Taking the quote at face value it appears he's talking about Americans changing their minds, which would be wrong, but he didn't actually say that. He didn't say the audience changed their minds, he said the audience changed. Different audience. That's true and racist and it's the real reason movies are shit now. They used to be made for a specific wealthy culture which meant nuanced storylines and deep connections were possible. Now they're made for a globalized slop market of people who speak 1,000 different languages and share no beliefs in common. The only entertainment they can all agree on has the intellectual and philosophical content of a toddler's picture book.
>>217068215>people were turning to the arts, specifically movies, for what we should feel about this.Saying the quiet part out loud.
>>217071080it doesn't matter, they watched it all the way through so the company makes money
>>217073323that wasn't the argument being made
>>217073230He's just another boomer who took over something magnificent which previous generations had built at great expense and effort, decided its obvious purpose was to fulfil his short-term selfish desires, ran it into the ground over decades, and then blamed everyone else.They did that with everything, from Hollywood to the housing market. The generational equivalent of a swarm of locusts
>>217072912>that's you and me, the class unconscious audience--MUST DIE>Become commie or DIENo thank you.
>>217073163there's a message behind lotr and star wars too. don't act like you hate anything with a meaning and not that you just don't like their message. if you truly only care about 'entertainment' then you are nothing but a consooomer
>>217073398You're really going to complain about artists being political? The first great film was Birth of a Nation.
>>217073384>the most popularNTA, that can be interpreted both ways. But in the context of the OP what matters here is that Marvel gets people into theaters and ST has people watching the whole thing, not whether the audience then goes on to rate it positively or if it will leave a mark on cinema history.Hopefully this next Marvel movie crashes hard and society can move on to some other decade defining trend and franchise.
>>217073163>It's no surprise that the big box office blockbusters stay the fuck away from politicsWhich is the point. That wasn't the case in the 70s. People were more mature, more open to see those issues be covered by serious movies. >He is open that he viewed movies as a way to tell people what opinions to have.It was an open discourse between the artists and the audience, not some cheep propaganda telling people what to think. And are you really saying that people stopped watching political and risky movies because they were tired of 1970s propaganda? Come on...
>>217073427>messageRead:>Pretty much every good story contains a compelling moral argument. The problem is political activists, and especially left-wing ones, confuse their political opinions with moral positions (more, they think their political opinions are the only possible moral position and anyone who disagrees does so for immoral reasons)LOTR has several: "power corrupts" "mercy is essential to defeat evil" "true strength comes from little people" "paradise is bought through self-sacrifice" etc - these are compelling moral argumentsThis is different than, say, "Don't Look Up" with "the mainstream media doesn't spend enough time talking about climate change">>217073468>Birth of a Nation.was the first historical film
>>217068215>people don't take movies about cuckoldry seriouslyhe probably should just kill himself
>>217068215>it's not you it's memaybe both sides are at fault you senile geezer
>>217073545i'm sure you'd be butthurt about a political message that mirrored your beliefs too
>>217068215Auto focus is pretty crazy
>>217073503marvel hasn't gotten anyone in theaters for a long whileand stranger things don't matter because we don't actually know how many people finished it since netflix never releases their figures
>>217073517>People were more mature, more open to see those issues be covered by serious movies.No, movies had more credibility, having spent decades building that. Then they were hijacked by political activists. "My political opinions" only equals "serious" to political activists.>It was an open discourse between the artists and the audienceThere is no discourse between the artist and the audience in film, you delusional retard. The film viewing experience is a literal 50 foot screen blasting the filmmaker's ideas at millions of people seated in dark rooms. Nobody in the 1970s ever put down the newspaper and thought "Jesus, I'd better go to a movie so I can learn what to think about all this!" - I genuinely thought guys like Schrader were at least self-aware enough to know that they were damaging the medium a little in order to get their Important Opinions across, but they actually deluded themselves into thinking that's what people WANTED!No wonder the choice became largely "haranguing political lecture from an old rich fuck who hasn't had a real job since the Nixon Administration" or "pointless garbage CGI roller coaster ride" and people overwhelmingly chose the garbage CGI. Until of course they started to insert political lectures into that too.
>>217073545if Birth is historical than liberal movies are historical too, they refer to things that really happened.
>>217073664I hope you're right about Marvel but even then it's still the biggest franchise in existence, it will take years before it completely dies down even if they don't hit it big with some new cast or plot or whatever and restart the hype somehow.
>>217073613>i'm sure you'd be butthurt about a political message that mirrored your beliefs tooYes, actually. Stories are supposed to be MORAL arguments. Those resonate with people. If you're confusing your political opinions with moral ones, you are a political extremist, and everyone's sick of paying to get lectured by political extremists about their pet obsession.Compare the Shawshank Redemption. It doesn't get simpler: "Hope and inner strength will triumph over injustice"with Elysium: "Wealth inequality bad"
>>217073545>was the first historical filmlol no. >>217073683political films didn't start in the 70s, lol
>>217073704>liberal movies are historical too, they refer to things that really happened.You... think that Travis Bickle was a real person
