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man i fucked that up, but i'll post it again
>>217102837
Because what you really wanted to watch was pic related. And that's ok because it's the better show. I can't remember a series that has done this kind of mystery box apocalypse thing better than pic related in fuck knows how long. Just a sensible show with sensible characters that keep the mystery at the forefront and the character drama is secondary. It's no surprise that the best moments of both shows are when one or multiple characters spend time trying to work out wtf is happening and that's what most people (men, most likely) want to watch, and not a post wall Rita Seehorn eat pray loving her way through an apocalypse.
The Walking Dead went to absolute shit (for me) after the CDC blew up in season 1 and they stopped giving a shit about what caused the outbreak and instead focused on gay character drama. From shines when they're trying to work out what is happening and becomes skip city when there's 2 lesbians on the screen preambling about scissoring. There's enough of this shit on TV and you're just wasting arguably one of the most interesting takes on the end of the world ala Pluribus when you focus on character drama

Take em down to the pluuuuurb

>>217102798
>no edition
>no theme
>no thread question
This isn't going to survive very long.
Personally I just want to voice that humanity should build a transmitter of our own and send out something that forces every sapient species that comes in contact with it to individuate, balkanize and militarise, leading to a vast and diverse galaxy of small hostile races which we can test our strength against when or if we get our shit together and also use as a buffer for fucking off communist ayys out there. Even if we don't survive our creations, it's the Right thing to do.

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A new Plurb pussy for Koumba's collection

Is it possible that the plurbed aren't actually in some happy high state but more akin to prisoners in their own body, watching as their words and actions are controlled by a different entity?

It would explain Manousos saying they're better off dead if not saved. He probably got unplurbed (there's no way they wouldn't have detected him early on).

>>217102931
How fast do you think he had her flown to him when he heard she plurbed out?

>>217102865
True, people aren't interesting. Only NPCs need to see people being people, everyone with a Faustian soul already knows everything there is to know about real people and has the intelligence to appreciate the unknown and imaginary instead.

>>217102921
Suck my dick autist

>>217102952
It's more plausible that the plurbed aren't conscious beings at all, just simulacra. Manousos didn't get joined because he wasn't around people when it happened so they didn't know he wasn't dead. His position is what makes sense to him.

zosia rapist

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>>217102798
Have you apologized yet, /tv/?

>>217103138
She wanted it

>>217102952
>prisoners in their own body,
Would be incredibly cliche and lame. Like the idea that they are evil.

When does Mike show up?

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>>217102798
Team Carousos can still win

>>217103117
>he wasn't around people when it happened
They had to know about him. He was managing a storage facility, not some hermit in the jungle.

>>217102931
but enough about the goat

Nothing in this thread is yours. You cannot give me (you)s, because all your posts are stolen. You don’t belong here.

Pluribussy

>>217102865
I was enjoying the hell out of From until season 3 when it devolved into gay drama with no story developments and the Iranian chick and her mulatto husband became the central focus of the season. I regularly skipped their scenes while watching season 1 and 2 since I caught on that they were boring filler characters and nothing of value was lost from pretending they didn't exist.
>The Walking Dead went to absolute shit (for me) after the CDC blew up in season 1
I dropped it during season 2. I called it "life on a farm".
I later found out it was because Frank Darabont was fired for fuck knows what reason and they brought in some retard who made melodramatic bullshit for wine aunts.

Pluribus is not as bad as these other shows in this regard. I get where you're coming from and I hate needless drama faggotry that serves no purpose--no character dev, no genuine tension, no plot relevance, just manufactured drama for the sake of drama--but Pluribus is actually building up the characters, showing you who they are and setting the tone for the world.
It's slow, but never pointless.

>>217103219
They knew he wasn't with them. They didn't know he survived the infection stage, some didn't even get as far as Helen.
I guarantee that if he was an unplurb they would react very differently to him. They were willing to make Zosia kill herself when she was lagging, they know what's at stake.

There is no way that "collective humanity" would be nonviolent

>>217102798
its over. you have to move on/

>>217103439
Because it's very clearly not collective humanity. It's an alien parasite virus with its own will, and it just has access to humanity's knowledge. It's a thing, not human. It must be culled.

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Pluribussy.

Mano is a qt.

>>217103554
>>217103513
you have to stop. its over.

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a lot of the show is unwatchable filler. the whole season can easily be condensed into 2 episodes. the stubborn spanish guy traveling was like a whole episode. what the fuck kind of storytelling is that?

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>>217102798
Why is carol so small here? Did the Plurbs use a shrink ray on her like in downsizing?

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>DONT YOU TALK ABOUT ME YOU SON OF A BITCH!

>>217103698
More importantly why does Zosia look like she has a different wig on.

>>217102931
That character is 17 years and 364 days old you sick fuck.

>>217103698
not sure if trolling or just retarded

>>217102952
There is no feeling. The smiling and that other shit is just for the unplurbs to see.

>>217102931
Kek imagine telling all the survivors if they get plurbed you will fuck them

>>217103765
she doesn't wear wig...

Just watched ep1&2 after being exposed to little more than the premise. I'm 100% certain this has been done to death by this point but holy shit Gilligan really made a Rick&Morty episode into a dramatic series.

That's some funny stuff.

>>217105304
She sure as hell does. Revisit her first appearance. She helps load bodies, then they decide she's the pirate lady and needs to talk to Carol.

She flies herself over, enters the shower, outside are makeup and hair specialists, one is working on a wig.

>>217105517
That's about as good as it gets really. Everyone has been putting it on 2x speed or just skipping every scene except for the Latino guys scenes since he's actually doing something instead of drinking wine and pacing around a house all the time.

>>217105517
As I type, I'm watching Return of the Archons from original Trek. It's the same premise. They're all into a quasi-hive mind, and when necessary, Landru binds them all together into one for big tasks. Peace be unto you!

YOU'RE NOT OF THE BODY! TRAITORS! LAWGIVERS! THEY'RE NOT OF THE BODY!

This hive mind isn't exactly concerned with keeping individual units happy, especially if they resist.

Also, this episode has a Saturnalia type thing, the "Red Hour", from ancient days and the prototype for The Purge. I guess being in The Body needs a break from time to time.

>>217105519
She's my wife, I would know.

>>217105735
It occurs to me just now, that her character, as part of the hive mind, is actually smarter than House, her husband on that show in later seasons.

How about that!

>>217102931
>You are about to witness the most brutal scene ever filmed.

>>217105762
>bebby goat starves to death
>they harvest it with a clear conscience
>Carol: What's for dinner?
>"Goat vindaloo!"

>>217105762
>>217105798
Is that what happened? The goat starved?

>>217106151
No it probably got eaten by jungle predators

>>217103698
Have you heard of Bigger Luke?
>>217106229
it got eaten by a t rex

>>217102931
The show is about how globalization erases local cultures

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>>217103698
Zosia just has the perfect pirate height

>>217102931
>Koumer asks to add her to his harem
>Mano purchases a SAM system from the plurbs with legal tender to shoot down air force one

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how did helen, the main character's girlfriend, die?
what was the point of the licking scene if everyone in and out the bar immediately got turned?

>>217106513
Helen was a weak BITCH.
The licking scene happened much earlier than the plane scene. It was when they were still in one building lying low. The plane scene is after the military discovered them and they had to go all out.

>>217106513
she fell and hit her head
they created an aerosolized version of the virus

>>217103138
There is no rape you could rape a plurb with that would hold a candle to the mind rape of being plurbbed. Unless you are a ni
*gger raping non-n*g>>217103144
>>217103144
gers or a tranny touching anyone

>>217103513
This chick is so hot to me

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>>217106513
Helen fell over onto pavement without catching her fall. Must have hit her head and suffered internal bleeding / brain swelling.

>what was the point of the licking scene if everyone in and out the bar immediately got turned?
They got turned because of chemtrails in the sky. The hivemind figured out how to do that later. At first the virus only gets transmitted via bodily fluids.

>costs just a little over half as much as Severance
>earns twice as much as Severance
There's no way they're going to let this end with two seasons right?

>>217106843
It's projected to 4 seasons.

>>217106860
looking forward to talking about the ending with you all in 2038

>>217106959
It's a terrible shame Mike won't be here to see it then.

>>217106860
Apple still hasn't renewed it.

>>217106986
Lol, that's cute. It broke all of the records for Apple's streaming service. The second season is already ordered, and it would take a miracle for it to not go on as long as Vince wants.

its over. you have to let go.

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>>217106966
Vince will make it happen

>>217107011
Apple's sale is declining eventually they would need to cut things that don't make money.

>>217107011
>It broke all of the records for Apple's streaming service.
LOL
it was out of the top 10 within 3 weeks

>>217106860
that's a number vince pulled out of his ass

>>217106513
>what was the point of the licking scene if everyone in and out the bar immediately got turned?
wtf are you asking

>>217105748
>is actually smarter than House, her husband on that show in later seasons.
.....what?

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See you in 2028, pluribros.

>>217107988
WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

>>217108060
House is a doctor genius who understands people better than they will ever understand him, and thats why hes alone.
What are you talking about?

>>217108104
Jeet was trying to communicate I would assume. Sometimes they have trouble drawing a distinction between actors and the character they play.

>>217108104
>>217108258

how is house smarter than the hivemind who has access to all knowledge and expertise?

>>217108286
What the fuck are you talking about? Im obviously saying wtf does House have to do with Pluribus? When the fuck house ever have a wife that wasnt Stacy? What the fuck are you talking about nigga????

>>217108286
Hivemind is just an encyclopedia of information used by the virus to achieve its imperative. House if he wasn’t plurb would be smarter than the hive since they can only copy whatever human memories stored in the collective. It can’t think for it self.

I've been bingeing this show for the past 8 hours. I'm on episode 7 and I miss Zosia

test

So if you have sex with the plurb are all the plurbs orgasming?

>>217108360
oh my God I shit you not, one MINUTE after I posted that she showed up

>>217102865
is this actually good? because I was thinking about queuing it up
can I get a second opinion?

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>>217104380
You can just ask their family members to describe how hard you fucked them (not the family members' bodies, but the other hive mind bodies you fucked).

>>217108372
obviously not, and they've explicitly explained this

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>>217108372
No, they only share important stuff with the network

>>217108447
i really like it. i think it was generally well received
i never read any of the comics so i was genuinely surprised about the army of beetles that looked kind of out of place and it wasn't really in a good way, but it didnt detract from the show much. its smartly written with smart characters that rarely do dumb shit. theres also very little bullshit character drama that pervades so many other shows of this type

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>>217103698
Zosia really towers over her

>>217103312
>I was enjoying the hell out of From until season 3 when it devolved into gay drama with no story developments and the Iranian chick and her mulatto husband became the central focus of the season
This shit was fucking infuriating, along with "what do you mean you have something that will advance the plot and reveal a bit of the mystery? lets talk about something else" from the sheriff. actually rage inducing television

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I might have misjudged pajeeta

ok I finished bingeing it. I didn't like it as much at the end as I had throughout the rest. kinda like, if they never make season 2 I'd be fine with that.

I just finished binging this. I was all set for the slow pace that I've heard complaints about. I was enjoying watching Carol dealing with this her own way. Her small issues of dealing with daily shopping or the local wild life. Her eventual abandonment from both the collective and survivors. All of this captured nicely with the high production cinematography, music, and Rhea Seehorn's performance.
They they finally showed Manousos and his journey. That's when I realized what was actually interesting to me about the show. How it's an episode of The Twilight Zone being explored beyond it's usual runtime. I get the complaints now and agree with people like >>217102865

>>217108964
hnnnnnnggggghhh would impregnate

>>217109718
ok here is what I DON'T like and kinda has taken me out of the show: Carol buying in to the idea that Zosia is some kind of real person that she can pretend to have a normal life or whatever with like I get she's lonely but it feels really stupid to watch this cynical angry miserable fuck be that desperate when literally nothing changed except that she was deprived of contact for one month. I understand she'd be relieved to not be alone anymore but going all the way into delululand was too dumb for me. It honestly made me bored. she's back out when she realizes "oh shit nothing's actually changed!" but yeah I knew that thank you for wasting 2 episodes on shit that was obviously going nowhere and was out of character anyway.

>>217110039
It's a common narrative device to have your hero give in to the temptations of the villains for a while and then get back on their mission. But that should have happened in the middle of the season, not at the end.
That's why season 1 feels like half a season.

I'm on episode 5 and I really want to like the show, but it's annoying me that the character has the amalgamation of all human knowledge that cannot lie and willing to answer just about any question, but she doesn't really ask anything interesting.

>>217106513
put the phone down next time lil bro

>>217103144
For stating the obvious?

>laughingfrog.jpg
>SHOOPY SHOOP SHOOP

Went to watch the next episode and I realised that the last one I watched was the season finale, what a fucking joke of a show.

>>217111791
This. What a joke. Not gonna watch it anymore until the next season comes out.

>>217112401
>Not gonna watch it anymore until the next season comes out.
LOL

2 years of nothing but memes until the next season? Can we do it?

>>217111791
i shilled the show to everyone i knew until the finale, now i'm absolutely terrified that all those people are going to hate me for it. idk what i expected but what we got fell way short.

boggles my mind that this general has persisted

>>217112593
Luckily the majority of people are stupid, so they'll either love it anyway or they'll forget that they hated it within a week.

>>217112568
probably not

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>>217102798
Zosia is like: Please be gentle, my girlfriend has autism

>episode 1: I HATE THE PLURBS
>episode 2: I HATE THE PLURBS
>episode 3: I HATE THE PLURBS
>episode 4: I HATE THE PLURBS
>episode 5: I HATE THE PLURBS
>episode 6: I HATE THE PLURBS
>episode 7: I HATE THE PLURBS
>episode 8: Actually i love the plurbs now and i'm gonna spend the rest of my life fucking their corpses
>episode 9: I HATE THE PLURBS
i wonder how the season """arc""" was pitched to apple.

>>217106388
plurb be like "haha damn this bitch is BROKEN"

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>>217112873
>i wonder how the season """arc""" was pitched to apple.

if all non-plurbs, except for Manos and carol, love the plurbs and are actually trying to save them, why did not one of them try to kill carol yet?
Carol's two tantrums probably killed up to 300 millions plurbs, the non-plurbs really shouldn't accept her just living normally, being able to do it gain.

>>217112994
Plurbs do not get involved with interpersonal beefs. Laxmi could try to kill Carol, but she would have to do it herself, and the plurbs would warn Carol well before she got there.

>>217112933
Vince literally said that he wanted to make this show just for her

>>217112994
>why did not one of them try to kill carol yet?
They are NPCs who can't think outside of their narrow frame of reference from the pre-plurbing time. They think shunning her socially is already the worst thing they can do.
They would never ask for nukes or do anything their fake plurb family members and neighbors might dislike.

>rhea is going to be 60 by the time the show is finished
my yuri :(

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>>217113289
Vince is transitioned to elder television

>>217108451
I accept your concession.

>>217112593
Literally every show since the streaming era began is like this with a "renew us for season 2 plz" non-ending so everyone is used to it by now.

>>217112994
I believe plurbs value non-assimilated life because it means more hosts to snatch. It may be silly when you consider that there are only 12 of them compared to billions of assimilated humans, but if one of the biological imperatives is to snatch every possible available host, it makes sense that the virus doesn't ever want to harm life. In fact, plants may be carriers of the virus too which would explain why plurbs don't even want to harvest crops.

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Pluribussy

>>217110723
It doesn't feel like half a season you're just fucking stupid and think that one season should completely satisfy many and all story arcs.

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>>217113289
arent you exited for the pluribus prequel airing in 2032 where we learn how she met helen and how she dealt with coming out as a lesbian to her conservative grand parents?

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>>217102798

why do you keep making these?
show's over and it was bad

The abundance of 40kiddie posters who hate the show because the MC isn't an anti-xeno fanatical autist who dedicates every waking moment to saving the world is just ridiculous. That's essentially what Manousos is, and I am almost certain that he will be an antagonist in the show.

The conflict between the comfort of living like a king with the plurbs and the nagging feeling telling Carol that doing so is wrong is the driving force of the story. Taking that away would make it an isekai anime where the ending is never in doubt because the retard protagonist's human spirit can never lose.

I also find that the "nothing happens" criticism is pretty silly for a show that has had over a billion human deaths and the successful occupation of Earth.

>>217114176
It should have a story arc. All we accomplished in 9 episodes is harden the MCs resolve and to bring the second main character (probably) to her.
It's like a 9 episode pilot.

>>217108964
I'M PLURBINGGGG!!!!111!

>>217115569
>I also find that the "nothing happens" criticism is pretty silly for a show that has had over a billion human deaths and the successful occupation of Earth.
yeah, the most interesting possible movie would be 2 hours of a woman announcing "a million people just died. now 10 million. another 7 million. in the past hour it's been 5 billion."

>>217112593
Basically nothing much happened after the first episode

The other site is catching on to the giant rat theory
We're up

The drone getting caught on the streetlight was the funniest scene in a television show I’ve seen in years.

It was perfect. No dialogue nor context needed. Just a very upset and unimpressed woman taking joy in utilizing a rigid systems’s shortcomings and watching it struggle and fail to do anything but crash into abject failure.

I thought it was the best piece of (nearly) silent humor I’ve seen in years.

I can talk for days about the philosophical implications of Pluribus, but that scene was pure comedy gold.

Anyone else agree, or have you all become part of the hive mind?

I would just start asking the plurbs about Illuminati and stuff. Go to Vatican basement.. Sex would be weird though..I wonder how long it would take for me to push through the absurdity

>>217115982
works for the jews

>>217116042
yeah, i smiled.

>>217116042
She didn't correctly measure the weight of the trash, they said it cannot be heavier than 17 lbs.

>>217116042
https://www.flyingglass.com.au/pluribus-drone-crash-analysis/

>>217116042
is this a reddit copypasta or something

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>>217116042
>Just a very upset and unimpressed woman taking joy in utilizing a rigid systems’s shortcomings and watching it struggle and fail to do anything but crash into abject failure.
Me at my job

>>217116042
it crashed because she didn't pay attention when it told her the bags need to be less than 19lb and overloaded it

>>217116115
>>217116224
plurb cope, learn to drone better

Watched this after my mom recommended it to me. She loved it, I thought it was ok.
Is this just a show for bored old white women?

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>>217116712
Its for non ADHD audience. Literate and with moderate IQ. Your mom just pwned you fren.

people hate the "personal dramas" part of these sci fi mystery box type shows but Carol is such a fucking piece of work it had me genuinely wanting to know what the fuck happened to this woman to make her hate being alive so much despite the basically dream life she had. the way she acts is not fucking normal and as far as I can tell she's not on any meds for that specifically which you would think someone like her would be. so maybe there's no medical excuse but I still feel it warrants an explanation of some kind.

>>217116977
she's a lesbian
that's a miserable existence

What is the mechanism of why the plurbs feel so completely happy as if they're in heaven? How are they in that state, on account of them just being unified? People wouldn't automatically achieve inner peace when they're joined together telepathically, because people aren't inherently in some blissful state.

>>217116977
>she's not on any meds for that specifically
she's an alcoholic

>>217117085
if you're a hivemind there's literally no reason to experience any kind of negative emotions because all of the things that cause one to have fear, hate, despair, etc are mitigated by being one mind and embodying the entire human experience and knowledge at once

>>217117085
they're probably being bombarded with serotonin and dopamine

>>217117174
you can and will develop resistance to those chemicals if you're bombarded with them constantly, it has to be deeper than that

>>217117143
Feel free to elaborate, this is pretty vague and I don't blame you because the show doesn't give much. Carol never bothered to ask more than a few questions.

How has the hivemind of billions of people reached the conclusion that human existence is fulfilled? What's the standard of completion, because in 10 years humanity goes extinct. Perhaps the unification means an erasing of will to achieve anything, somehow. Wouldn't humanity still want to accomplish goals? Every individual wants things, but the hive is like some monk who doesn't want anythin.

>>217117174
This. Zosia lists the feel good chemicals in your brain and mentions "it gets even better", being plurbed is a constant high. Kusimayu first reaction from being connected was to have a large smile.

>>217117335
>Feel free to elaborate, this is pretty vague and I don't blame you because the show doesn't give much.
that was my interpretation. when Carol is asking them if they liked her books they kinda make it seem like they operate that way. because surely there were people who hated her books and thought they were shit. but now the people who have held those opinions are one with the people for who her books gave them real happiness and improved their lives. so what use is there for the feelings of hating the book anymore? so I think it kinda works like that for everything. feelings of happiness, love, etc are stronger and shared by more people so they kind of override negative ones that are useless and fall by the wayside. even when you're not a hivemind most people will have more positive feelings towards something they don't like after being exposed to it more and understanding it better. it's just that phenomenon happening within the plurb. that's my theory or whatever.

>>217117335
Plurbs act by biological impulse, and many of the hivemind shenanigans occur at subconscious level. Zosia explains that they don't share sensorial input and many things they just know, it happens on subconscious level. My take is that the personality/person consciousness is there to a degree, but the hivemind is like the voice of Saruman, it makes sense, you agree with it, it remains in your subconscious. Add to that the plurb directives (do no harm, love everyone, spread) and the feel good chemicals in the brain, and you have the drones being so cooperative to the uninfected.

>>217117335
I mean some people have a natural resistance but they're really rare. Like the way the Peruvian girl acted she looks likely to have that type of personality. There's also people who developed a resistance from previous drug use, namely heroin addicts but I don't think any of the immune has done hard drugs. Maybe Koumba.

Heroin is a crazy drug, it fires all of your synaptics at once this is why most people who are addicted to it just chasing that first high. Their brains are rewired to depend upon it, heroin addicts are miserable all the time.

btw, i just watched most of s2 of severance, it was much better than i surmised from the blessed 4chan anons in le archive.....some filler scenes and episodes, but the gemma episode was kino

>>217103631
It's called visual storytelling, zoomer.

>>217117085
you know everything. any grieveances because of limited knowledge of other minds is gone
i. e. you know why other people do and feel the way they do, you completely understand everyone

for example, you wouldnt blame your husband cheating on you, you would understand why and accept why he feelt like doing it

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>>217117942
To be fair if we go by that route plurbs would be freeze in place trying to conciliating every opposite view and feeling. They are both victim and perpetrator. They would experience the memory of every violence and abuse as both sides. I don't think their bliss comes from understanding each other motives, their personalities are all rewritten to a degree (remember Manousos telling his mother that she wasn't a nice person like the one in front of him)

>>217117977
Prior to Pluribus she seems to always be cast into the seductress roles. I think this is her first role where she's nerdy and isn't trying to seduce someone.

>>217117977
I wouldn't say the most beautiful... but man, she is that charming. She's that alluring, just see the way she speaks, she acts, even in interviews.

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>>217117977
BOGGED

>>217118062
>isn't trying to seduce someone.
Then she's obviously failing...

>>217117085
>Bad Version
They are high on drugs/hormones. Good little drones that just do what they are told.

>Cursed Version
They don't have any emotions. They are effectively puppets controlled by the hivemind. The hivemind just controls their facial muscles to makes them appear happy. The hivemind simply lies when asked about it in order to lure in more suckers.

>Hellish Version
Same as "Cursed Version", but their egos are still alive, but trapped inside of their heads. They are screaming into the void while their bodies move against their will.

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she seems even sweeter IRL

>>217118123
>The hivemind just controls their facial muscles to makes them appear happy. The hivemind simply lies when asked about it in order to lure in more suckers.
Plurbs smile and seem content even when they are not immune nearby. Remember when the plurb bring the plurb cannister to plurb Kusimayu, just 2 drones and nobody nearby, the deliver plurb smiled to the pickup plurb lady

>>217118172
Could just be a default setting

>>217118214
they're into conserving energy and smiling expends energy, it must be because they feel really good at all times

>>217118257
That's how they getcha

>>217118289
>plurbs can see the cameras and the film crew
>deleted scene of a crowd of plurbs looking straight into the camera and saying 'gotcha' in unison

>>217118154
Why is she looking at Rhea like that?

>>217118420
homo lust

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Whatever happened to Mister Pluribus? Will he show up again?

>>217102798
o no not the bees

This show was pretty comfy and I'm quite sad that it's over, but I doubt I'll still care 2 years from now.

>>217103215
carol just likes pussy too much…

>>217118062
What? Did you miss the part where her entire purpose is to seduce Carol?

>>217118172
>Plurbs smile and seem content even when they are not immune nearby
I've thought about this too.
And I think the answer is simple: this show is riding on the idea that these plurbs are quirky and awkward. It's solely for the viewer.
If this were real, Carol would ask them to stop constantly greeting her, and she'd probably also ask to record a more verbose answering machine message.
But we can't have her doing that! Because then we couldn't fill the episodes with quirky plurb scenes

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>Nothing happens
>I had to watch this on x2 speed

Zoomers if picrel had beed released in 2025.

>>217119915
I x3'd that shit in 2011

>>217117085
I think it's no coincidence Carol and Zosia talked about "happy" chemicals in the brain during their little vacation. Plurbs claim that they are very happy all the time and we know they can't lie. I think the virus is just constantly pumping their brains full of dopamine, serotonin and whatnot, artificially inducing happiness while puppeteering them.

I just speedwatched all the 9 episodes so far and schizo carol is the best character

>>217119915
>fly is the lowest rated BB episode on imdb
>the gap is the lowest rated plurb episode on imdb
you can lead a pleb to kino ...

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>>217120382
>>the gap is the lowest rated plurb episode on imdb
casting your Manos before swine

>>217119856
>a more verbose answering machine message.
ESL anon...

Can someone explain to me why Helen would be monitoring Carol's drinking because she had her eggs FROZEN?

Freezing them means that they weren't ready to have kids yet. Why would she care if Carol drank? Plus, I would assume that Helen would be the one who actually carried the kid.

>>217120634
Carol should by no means ever be a mother. I'm surprised Helen wanted kids with her at all

>>217120634
Because heavy drinking can still damage her eggs before they're extracted? Of course her previous heavy drinking would have already done that, but still, why do more damage? Also Helen could have just wanted to spy on her drinking regardless of the eggs.

>>217120634
Alcohol has a negative effect on egg quality

>>217120734
not quality, quantity. you're thinking of sperm.

>“some studies suggest that chronic, heavy drinking can lead to diminished ovarian reserve (low quantity of eggs).”
and it's more important to overall fertility like you're less able to actually get pregnant but that shouldn't matter for just harvesting them

don't you guys think the
>we refuse to harvest plants so we're simply reserved to starve to death
is really stupid? so plurbs love their hivemind so much they're willing to forcibly join people into it against their will but they are NOT willing to pick vegetables to keep it alive? explain that. Carol is "drowning" and has to be saved so she can starve to death with the entire rest of them? make it make sense.

>>217120940
The plurb virus is likely intentionally designed to kneecap and starve intelligent species to death.

Alternatively, the species could have a strong biological imperative to procreate/spread, while having a diminished or even non-existent imperative for self-preservation. Similar to salmon, some spiders, and some other fish who always die after mating.

>>217120940
also fruit and vegetables are literally made to be eaten by other creatures so the seeds can be shit out and that's literally how plants propagate themselves. it's not "killing life" it's literally part of the life cycle. it just quite literally makes no FUCKING sense any way you look at it.

It's plurbin time

>>217102798
pluribus SUCKED and im not watching season 2

>>217120940
Yeah this bugs me about the show too. My head cannon on this is that all life is a potential carrier of the virus so they wanna preserve it. Even if humans are extinct after sending the signal, the plants remain there carrying the virus? Still like the anon above said picking a fucking apple should be fair game

>>217121238
actually i think it could have been good but without the long pretentious silent shots where nothing happens. s1 should have ended halfway thru the movie or limited series.

>>217120940
It's weird, but we don't know if it's weird because it will serve the plot beyond the "we're running out of resources" or if the writers are just retarded.

>>217121425
>>217121274
>>217120940
>>217121004
Why do you assume that the plurbs care at all about preserving their drones when it is obvious that is not the case?

>>217121502
it's not "obvious that is not the case" but I'm amenable to the argument that they don't actually care about preserving the plurb they're just content to ride it out for as long as it lasts. it's just the fact that the "problem" of them starving was even brought up and that they figured out the HDP thing to try to mitigate it would suggest that they do care about not starving in order to keep the plurb alive.

>>217121502
I never said they'd want to keep humans. Humans just happen to be the only species on Earth intelligent enough to build the antenna, at which point their job will be done. But other life may just carry the virus. Why wouldn't the virus want to keep Earth infectious for potential future visitors even after the humans are gone?

>>217121502
They seem to care about life that is immune over life that is a part of the hivemind. They assume that animals want to be free, plants doesn't want to be picked but humans somehow needed to be turned. The plot made no sense but neither did BB and BCS.

Like Walt had a friend that was willing to pay for his cancer treatment but he choose to sell meth instead.

>>217121584
how are you going to keep Earth infectious when any sentient species you inhabit will starve to death because you refuse to end life? the only thing that could happen is after the last living things on Earth starve to death their bodies will decay and the virus will end up back in plants somehow that some future visitors might eat. and that is not going to plurb anyone because the only way it worked the first time was through mass dispersal.

>>217121502
They say that the signal coming from Kepler might have been going for all of human history as far as we know. If you want any hope of someone else receiving the signal you have to keep it running. Plurbs will probably just want to keep the minimum number of puppets needed to run that because they have everyone else's consciousness already so the bodies don't matter

>>217121642
The Earth can continue to exist without humans, my man. We already know animals carry the virus, apparently without being affected by it. Nature will just continue to function while carrying the virus

>>217121570
>it's not "obvious that is not the case"
The plurbs threw away hundreds, if not thousands of lives freeing dangerous animals from captivity. They say so themselves. They are actively choosing to starve billions, though the supply of HDP from the joining and Carol/Manousos's outbursts has probably delayed that a great deal. They don't seem to mind when Carol has emotional outbursts that kill millions, so long as she isn't interrogating a drone to try and find out how to kill the entire plurb.

We have seen that they will try to feed everyone with HDP, and they do take care of the disabled and pets (from the arena sleeping scene). It would seem to me that this is done for the benefit of the immune, and the HDP serves to maintain a workforce to build the antennae. But as a whole, I think the plurb is done with people once that signal goes out.

>>217121708
>apparently without being affected by it.
that's not apparent at-fucking-all. and it makes no fucking sense if your virus is designed in such a way that only a human level intelligence could ever be the ones to create and propagate it in the first place and all it does is then obliterate that species. non-sentient animals without hands cannot keep that going.

>>217121769
>>217121708
so what I'm getting at is the only thing that would make sense to me is if the plurb signal is just a really peaceful and passive way to exterminate planets of intelligent life

Someone post the webm of Mike licking, sucking, and biting Rhea's shoulder, please

>>217121660
>If you want any hope of someone else receiving the signal you have to keep it running.

In the grand scheme of things, the difference between total human extinction and the preservation of a small group of lobotomized gatherer drones who exist solely to keep the signal going is pretty negligible.

>>217122004
Now you're getting it.

>>217121769
>that's not apparent at-fucking-al
Did you miss the part where the researchers say there are no clinical signs whatsoever after testing it on a bunch of different animals? You think while monitoring them they wouldn't notice the twitching and conversion happening? The virus clearly targets intelligent life. If you can read and interpret the signal, you're probably advanced enough to emit a new one, spreading the virus.

>>217122004
This is exactly what I think. It seems like a way to neuter intelligent life which may be a potential threat to the original creators of the virus. They just emit a signal which captures intelligent life, makes it send a new signal and extinguishes itself. And obviously the original creators would have a vaccine for this shit

>>217122068
there's no "clinical" signs in humans either. they just go through a process and then they're linked in. there's no way to know unless you're aware of their thoughts and feelings. that isn't anything they were looking for in a lab setting in animals. they could be experiencing similar things that humans are.

so can the plurbs lie or not? is the individual still inside the plurb somewhere deep down?

>>217122112
actually nevermind I remembered that this is disproven by Beijing lady saying she saw a freed zoo giraffe was eating leaves. so the animals won't starve to death. and I'm assuming zoo animals are infected because they were all breathing the same air as everyone else.

>>217122112
The process of conversion itself wouldn't have gone unnoticed with hundreds of animals being closely watched. From what the show has shown us, it's quite clear when an organism is joining.

>>217122165
that's not the point. the point is "without being affected by it" which we have no proof of because you can't tell if even a human is "affected" without talking to them and having them tell you they're part of the plurb. it's a behavioral symptom not a "clinical" one to know if one is "affected" by the virus.

>>217122205
Okay, and my point is the show pretty blatantly tells us it doesn't work on animals.

>>217122152
We have not seen the plurbs lie (that we know of). But we do know that they can withhold information by refusing to speak.

Effectively, one can still figure out a great deal by figuring out what they refuse to speak about.

>>217102798
This show is over for years and you faggots are still talking about it?

Also it doesn't count unless you take 9 weeks to watch it.

>>217122232
u rite, u rite

>>217122152
>so can the plurbs lie or not?
Only by omission or withholding information
>is the individual still inside the plurb somewhere deep down?
No way to tell by now. If a person is defined by their memories and brain chemicals, and the virus irreversibly alters them it could mean that the personality is destroyed

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I just finished Episode 3. Really loving it so far. It's refreshing to watch a new show that isn't just empty mystery box horseshit. The story so far is really well plotted and takes its time without feeling like it's stalling. The little set ups and payoffs are clever and well done.

>>217122161
No animals have been shown to be affected or infected aside from the first rat, which was lying in wait until it bit patient 0. All the other animals seem to do just normal animal things without any influence from the hive mind, and they don't seem to be interested in controlling them at any level either. It seems more like the hive mind is "setting the stage" for whatever alien that sent the message to come and inhabit new planets without any form of intelligent resistance.

what if people convulse when being plurbed because they are experiencing a brain-shattering orgasm before the lights go out

>>217122152
>so can the plurbs lie or not? i
If I was a super intelligence then I would also make the mortal think I can't lie. That makes strategical lying all the more valuable.

>is the individual still inside the plurb somewhere deep down?
It's possible, but it is definitely suppressed pretty tightly as we could see with the Kusimayo scene. She (or the thing that replaced her) drops everything she ever cared about straight away.

>>217122365
I can't imagine this show doing the actual alien arrival though, so if this turns out the big twist at the end after 4 seasons and it's already this obvious that's gonna suck

>>217122477
honestly I think it will be kind of refreshing if they go with the obvious thing because not every fucking thing needs to be a "twist." if that was indeed their plan it was a pretty brilliant one and seeing how it would play out is interesting in and of itself. plus I'm the kind of person who loves really bleak stuff like that when it comes to humans and aliens. like yeah nah, the indomitably of the human spirit is actually no match for aliens. sorry fags.

>>217122532
I mean yeah I don't need some big convoluted twist, I'm just saying I don't want them to try and pull this twist off as the big final twist at the end of the last season. If they reveal this at the end of season 2 and then the rest of the show is figuring out what to do about the alien arrival that can be explored nicely

Which celeb would they bring to convince you to get plurbed?

>>217122592
What exactly would showing the alien arrival do? If the immune haven't solved the problem by the time the aliens show up they've lost already. And if the ending is the immune losing, people will be pissed anyways.

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about to start episode 8 of the superior show, and then there are still another 8 after that.

>>217122652
You single-handedly convinced me to never watch anything korean with your board-wide spam

>>217122592
>the rest of the show is figuring out what to do about the alien arrival that can be explored nicely
that would be so interesting. what if they get there and Carol and Manousos are still around and they're just like
>well as you know we're peaceful but congratulations you guys managed to defeat our best efforts. it's chill though, we're just gonna take over the planet now and you guys can do whatever. we'll leave your alone or you can be one of us, whatever you want.

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>>217122667
your loss, meanwhile I'll be watching shows with hour long runtimes, double digit episode counts, and things actually happening.

>>217122477
I could see the show ending on an alien arrival or cliff-hanger-ish confrontation, but the hive mind is also unaware of the nature of their creators. There's still stuff to explore around reversion and the survivors' abilities to order the hive mind around, more or less. Ultimately, there is a limit to how much you could satisfyingly explore the situation, so I'd prefer if they kept it shorter too.

>>217122738
Thinking about it, the senders of the signal have no way of knowing when exactly the signal was detected and if the virus has spread. They probably keep these antennae emitting for a long time from already infected planets. I mean it may not even be about the aliens taking over other planets, it may just be about controlling all intelligent life and making it a non-threat to them.

the more I think about it the more genius the whole signal idea is because, I was thinking about the "peacefully exterminate intelligent life" thing. but there's more than that. the signal assumes that the receivers of the signal will decode it into an RNA sequence. that would make it so that these aliens devised something that would only affect not only all intelligent life but specifically targeted to life that exists on a planet with basic biologically similarity to their own. that's why the signal wasn't mathematical.

>>217122710
By something happening you mean those slow Korean songs with slow motion recaps of romantic moments of previous episodes for half an hour each episode?

>>217122652
>thing, korea :O

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>>217122976
Not tangerines, the plot matches on. More happening in this clip than 3 episodes of Pluribus.

>>217122635
KStew, but I would never take the plurbpill.
I'd be a nice complicit little immune though.

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>>217108447
Yeah, it's pretty good so far.
Some good horror out of Argentina recently as well.

korean shit is like end stage slop but the sad thing is it's not even jews making it à la goyslop their brains are just like that. look at how fucked their architecture is, how little industrial design exists in their history, the form factor of samsung products. they don't have the sauce man and it's genetic they have none of the ingenuity of japanese people or romanticism of europeans it's all grey nothingness. I really like k-pop btw but the same applies there it's the most manufactured made in a lab music in the world

another thing I love about this show is the social commentary aspect. it's exactly the way it should always be done. maybe it's just me but I can't help drawing conclusions about stuff in the show in how it relates to real life even though it's so well abstracted and very much not the focus of anything.

>>217122710
Avatar usage is against the rules.

>>217123347
oh and I think a lot of this has to do with the way it's filmed because you will see people complaining how there's filler and nothing happens but if you have a brain, in those times you are actually thinking about the implications of what you are being shown and it's making you feel a certain way about the characters and the show as a whole. but if you're some illiterate zoomzoom addicted to short form content you will have no idea what that's like.

>>217123264
Korean pop media is the worst of the worst but their kino is truly excellent.

>>217108334
>the hive since they can only copy whatever human memories stored in the collective. It can’t think for it self.
We have no evidence for that. Also, House isn't the only Housel-level mind on the planet at any given moment. The Hive mind has several who can keep up, assuming the collective mind itself isn't particularly bright per se.

>>217123248
Where Evil Lurks was annoying and dumb

>>217123417
A lot of people literally watch movies and TV with the mentality
>no dialogue = nothing happening

Pluribussin’

WOKE MIND VIRUS

>>217122365
It's more likely than anything that the rat was just a rat. Rats are naturally clever assholes that will do shit like play dead. The act of biting alone would go against the virus imperative.

>>217123491
Korean names alone filter me out of everything, I don't give a shit about how kino you say it is. All of their names are stupid and sound the same. Even when you factor in half their population shares the same seven or whatever surnames, it's like they intentionally give everyone the same first names too.

If they love her so much why the fuck are they supplying her with a ton of liquor? Like when she was at that meeting with the unplurbs they just loaded her up with just liquor. Don't they know she's an alcoholic? Why keep being a vice for her?

>>217102798
Why are people saying this show has something to do with Armored Core 6!

>>217124084
makes her happy

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>>217118843
Larry was right

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>>217124060
>when your name is donkey kong

the atom bomb thing at the end is kind of (mildly but not really) funny but also it seems really retarded and confused because....is Carol so fucking retarded that she thinks one bomb is going to make the other 700 billion plurbs on the planet extinct? like it's some kind of "insurance" if they don't managed to figure out how to "save the world." it's nothing more than the most convoluted and retarded suicide for herself and nothing else. what am I supposed to take from it? it just makes Carol seem really, really, really, really retarded and butthurt. which is fine but, it's not like that's new information or a change in character or anything.

adam baum

There is not a single trope relating to Manousos on the Plurb tvtropes page

>>217124274
that's weird because he seemed pretty tropey

>>217124194
I think it's more that Carol is both entertained by just having an atom bomb, and that if she were to go, she would go out with a bang... so to speak. She's not really interested in actually harming any of the drones either, but she also doesn't want to be converted. Having the bomb and saving humanity aren't related (yet).

>>217124384
>and that if she were to go, she would go out with a bang... so to speak.
the funny thing to me is that she would have no idea how to actually detonate it if she finally tried to and would have to call up the plurbs and ask for instructions

>>217124096
The coral and the pluribus share some characteristics, in that it's a hivemind made up of the spirits of humans. There's a bunch of differences too though.

Vince is trying to have us believe that a Karen and a beaner is going to save the world?

>>217124506
my meta social commentary take on it is that it's saying how the most cynical hateful antisocial independent introverted etc etc type of people might be able to keep themselves alive but their inherent aversion to connection and community will make it so that they can never build anything greater. as someone who identifies with Carol and Manousos, I feel like this is what the show is telling me.

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>>217106843
Severance season 2 was dogshit.
I think the only apple shows i actually have enjoyed are Pluribus and Foundation

>>217124506
Carol will save the world. Manousos will go off the deep end and and start torturing and mass-murdering plurbs at which point the other immunes will be forced to deal with him.

They're going to put someone in a Faray cage and that's going to work, but that person is going to go insane because they can't handle not being "happy", they'll kill themselves on the spot.

>>217124594
Severance 2 was kino though.

>>217102798
Hooray!

More threads for "Melatonin: The TV Show"

It's impressive that they made an alien invasion story boring.

>>217124194
The a bomb wasn't in the original planned ending. Vince put it in after Apple TV execs asked for a more impactful ending.

>>217124594
I'm not a space opera/Dune type of guy, someone here recommended The Expanse and I hated it. I'm more of an Independence Day Alien invasion or hard science like The Martian/Contact/Intestellar type of guy.

So my favorite two are This and F A M.

>>217124642
If you want to see an alien invasion with guns and bombs and explosions, Apple also has Invasion.

Invasion is not a quarter as good as Pluribus, but feel free to watch it.

>>217124654
>Vince put it in after Apple TV execs asked for a more impactful ending.
well now it makes sense then lmao. if that's even true. i'm sure it awed retards.

>>217124602
He is much more caring and thoughtful than Karen. He tried to compensate everything he took along the way to New Mexico. He was even courteous enough to warn the hivemind that he was about to REEEEEE at it. Despite being injured he got on his hands and knees to retrieve that stupid bitch's phone. He is St. Manny.

>>217124555
My take on it is that it's saying how the most cynical hateful antisocial independent introverted etc etc type of people still have the spark of humanity in them and are all that is needed to ensure mankind's survival even in its darkest moments.

>>217116977
she's a lesbian alcoholic who's dabbled in heroin abuse and her mother had sent her to a gay conversion camp.
she also hates the books she writes and hates her fans.

>>217124654
Is that from a source from somewhere?

>>217124712
>re all that is needed to ensure mankind's survival even in its darkest moments.
well if the human race comes out in the end of this show I guess you'll have been proven correct. otherwise.....lmao.

>>217124726
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluribus_(TV_series)#Writing_and_filming
https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/pluribus-finale-explained-vince-gilligan-original-ending-1236616824/

>>217124594
>Foundation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOHfbDnkPEI

>>217124713
being fucked over as a teen doesn't guarantee you will spend the rest of your life hating yourself and hating your chosen profession and everything you do. there has to be more.

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>>217124506
His name is Manousos Oviedos, he is not one of them, he wants to save the world.

>>217106513
she got her skull cracked on the pavement when she fell, which i want to guess is how the 800million dead of humanity came from aside from like choking on their on tongue when seizing up or crashing their cars/planes while driving or flying

>>217124712
Manousos's obstinance and stupidity retarded his researching the plurbs for months. He is unwilling to consider alternate viewpoints and is unwilling to work with others.

He's going to be Pluribus's rough equivalent to Wade in the Remembrance of Earth series - his superpower is his dedication, but ultimately he's a deleterious asshole.

>>217124798
like, she was clearly her happiest working her temp job writing her book that made her famous and afforded her her lovely huge house and lifestyle and loving wife. all that happened after her heroin and conversion therapy. so what the fuck is her excuse for her at 40 years old to be acting this way?

>aliens sent us an RNA virus
>our government stupidly synthesized it and allow it to escape
>everyone is infected
>everyone gets turned into super horny big titted futa
>everyone wants to fuck everyone especially you because you're flat
How would you survive?

>>217124859
why would i not just let them give me the virus in that case

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>>217124792
i treat the books and the show as seperate enitities as the best parts of the show (Clone emperor drama) was completely made up for the show and the worst parts of the show were them fucking up adapting from the book material.
The last season with the mule sucked though

>>217117529
All addicts are like this, they're always miserable and chasing the next dopamine hit to feel alive. This is why a lot of these wing suit or base jumping idiots are also on some sort of hard drugs. This is also why I think some of the plurbs in the hospital has to remain sedated because they're not fully plurb due to the drug abuse.

>>217124834
I imagine that it's not necessarily the bonk on the head that killed her, but that like Carol being immune, there are also millions of people that the virus just straight up killed in a failed conversion attempt.

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>>217124848
Could it be that she's just a cunt?

>>217124939
it truly seems that way. and that's kinda why I like her as a character so much. some people are just Like That and you encounter them in your life. but they too can be a protagonist in a sci fi mystery box tv show.

>>217124883
Because then you'd be just a sex crazed animal and will be fucking all day. Imagine having to drain your ballsack 10-12 times a day.

>>217125008
You're not doing a good job at dissuading me here.

>>217125008
isnt that just Crossed? but with more mutilation, rape and horse cocks

>>217121621
>Like Walt had a friend that was willing to pay for his cancer treatment but he choose to sell meth instead.
this is not the plot not making sense you theory of mind lacking autistic retard

Is Manousos /ourguy/?

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>>217125047
Nah this world looked more like Dmitry's comics.

>>217106599
plurbs got around imho the question of survivors - there MUST BE ones underground, underwater and in space. plurbs had 1 month till they went all in - and sure as shit they could not act human or even use "I" without crashing out.

Shits tarded

>>217125105
no because the dicksucking over him is all performative because you faggots feel insecure about watching a show with a lesbian protagonist. which makes you all fucking mega gay.

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>>217125105
Of course. He's the designated 4chan third worlder self insert.

>>217125008
Look anon. I am one dude who has no technical knowledge to save humanity from a futa bimbo RNA virus.

If I know that I am alone, my options are:
>become overpowered by the futa harem and be raped (anally and via their pussy to my cock, at the same time) as a slave for the rest of my existence
>join the hive and get to have PiV sex both ways at the same time constantly for the rest of my life
I'd take the latter. If I'm still conscious in any way I'm in a state of perpetually horny bliss. If I'm completely assimilated I'm dead, which is still worse than getting ass and mouth raped until I die of natural causes.

>>217125140
This. If Carol was a white man you'd all be calling Manousous a retarded brown chimp. It's all so tiresome.

>>217125214
If Carol was a man he'd actually be competent and this show might be decent

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>>217124834
damn she almost domed the guy standing up

>>217125389
If Carol was doing the exact same shit but was instead a man you all would be calling him "based."

>>217110337
ENFJ?

>>217125214
No if Carol was Carl I would call him a fucking faggot who was probably sexually abused as a child.

>>217125407
>be me
>shit hit the fan
>they're not much of a threat
>take the handcuffs and chain one of them in my basement
>scream at them all day
>do this for 10 days straight
By this point if you can't unplurb yourself you're as good as dead.

>>217122667
same, I'm sick of this cunt

>>217125407
he wouldn't be doing "the exact same shit" because men are capable of being logical, rational humans with actual values and impetus (see Manousos) but go off kween

>>217125464
the Manosous character is literally DEI for people like you

>>217124783
>But I also know that in my real life, many women I know should not be suppressing their anger and rage as much as they are.
Does this person literally know anything about modern women? They film themselves crying on TikTok when a man doesn't understand her blinking patterns were a way to let him know she's interested in him.

>>217125503
>the only competent and not retarded character in the series is le heckin DEI for Chudcels like (You)
not the own you think it is

>>217125548
see? it's working as intended.

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>>217118154
it is a bug person

>>217125548
>competent
>jobs to a slippery rock and a spiky tree

>>217125789
>after being told that would happen. and he refuses to drink water because people he didn't like told him he would suffer from dehydration
that's just what you call owning the libs

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>>217124839
>Manousos's obstinance and stupidity retarded his researching the plurbs for months.
How he would know? For all he got he was surrounded by "weirdos", "possessed" people. He only figured Carol wasn't one of them because she cursed at her.
>He is unwilling to consider alternate viewpoints and is unwilling to work with others.
He literally crossed the Americas and almost died trying to reach a fellow survivor. Manousos was the only one who acted as a real survivor in an apocaliptic scenario. He had all reasons to be suspicious of everyone.

>>217126252
>How he would know?
he could have stood 10 ft away on the safe side of the fence and attempted to speak to the person leaving him food everyday instead of being a literal fucking mongoloid. and that's just for starters. his entire arc is premised on the idea that he is fucking stupid. otherwise it would have never happened that way. he learns what every non-plurb in the world knows months and months after they do. he is fucking stupid.

I've just finished this series and this thread is on page 10, make new so I can post my 1 single thought I had about it

>>217126348
He basically knew there was a weird mind-controlling virus already, but he didn't know that he was immune. He was holed up for weeks scanning radio signals, because presumably any mind-controlling virus can't be trusted.

>>217126545
he didn't know shit. he was paranoid and hung up the phone on anyone that called even though they were struggling to speak spanish, which is something none of the plurbs would have done. he's a typical man who lacks the ability of pattern recognition typically known as "women's intuition" because men are so fucking bad at paying attention that they have to pretend it's some kind of superpower to avoid admitting they're deficient.

>>217126581
calm down babe