Andor isn't Star Wars.It has nothing about psace wizards, it's not the same story.>It's set in the same galaxyIt doesn't need to be. A rebellion against an evil empire in space is not copywrited, you could just write a new one without it being labelled "Star Wars">That would be derivativeThen so is Andor.
>>217179402And yet, it's still the only SW nuEU media worth discussing.Funny.
>>217179557And yet it isn't worth discussingfunny
>>217179402the Star Wars setting brings Andor down
>>217179402Begone faggot mouse shill
>>217179402calm down star wars theory
>>217180281Kinda. All that serious, complicated stuff about life under dictatorship and building an organized resistance eventually being resolved by "some blonde twink blows up a space station, fights his dad and the emperor gets thrown down a shaft" is kind of silly to think about.Like, Andor is quite good but it doesn't tie well into a series of light hearted adventure movies.
>>217180480>twinkFucking faggot
>>217180281
>>217180480Sure was convenient for the twink that there was a space fighter gassed up and ready to go when he needed it And hey, how did he know what part of the space station to shoot at? Maybe you could tell some kind of story about how those plans got into the hands of the princess-senator. Maybe you could do another about how the people who set up the jungle base came to be there. Maybe you could do yet another about them reacting to the wild series of events they just witnessed.
>>217179402Who are you even arguing against?
>>217180558the choir
>>217179402Correct. The whole Andor is the way forward is RLM 2.0
>>217179402I like star wars as a setting. Jedislop has always just been one part of it for me. Not everything has to be the same. You know the end result of written by committee scrips meant to please everyone
Star and/or Wars
Season 2 kinda sucked. I lost interest pretty quickly but still finished it.
>Andor s1>Andor s2>Rogue Onethe REAL Star Wars prequels
>>217181527Rogue One is garbage for manchildren
>It's an Andor TKs like a twelve year old in Halo episode...
I should like this (bourne espionage+star wars) but it was just boring for me
>>217180480OT is way deeper than Andor and what you describeAndor is just a generic cyberpunk story in space which appeals to redditurds who think they're way smarter than they actually are. It's extremely flat and has no real charm beyond nonsensical violence and shock value content that doesn't fit in SW like the Empire actively raping people. When a director devolves into shock value with little actual worth for the story, it shows how talentless he is.>>217181527fuck off baitnigger>>217181576BasedRogue One is beyond pointless. Firstly we did not need a film for the DS plans, EU did quite well with just gamesSecondly the film actively hurts ANH just by existing. Apparently the Empire has been nuking planets before Alderaan and nobody noticed there was something off? Vader is going around doing jack shit while making dad puns instead of searching for the plans from the start? Tarkin has little to do with the Death Star and it's all instead overseen by some random faggot (literally a faggot, he's camp gay)? The Death Star's exhaust port for some fucking reason is a convoluted planned design flaw that makes zero sense when it just being... an exhaust port makes sense by itself? Somehow Jyn's dad got this planned thing all through administration and NOBODY noticed? There's a scene showing the turbolaser dish being installed even though we see it being built alongside the station in RotS? Leia and the Tantive IV escape in full sight of Vader after a Rebel attack on Scarif (that makes no sense since the Rebels lack troops until RotJ) and yet she still thinks she can bullshit him with the ambassador line? Just basic fucking thought destroys R1
>>217181527>see babe, Star Wars is for grown ups to!
>>217179402You didn't get it anon.i will try to explain it to you:Andor isn't Star Wars.It has nothing to do with well designed characters and good plots, it's only about uncharismatic actors and characters, and semi-slopy story.
>>217180480Andor is vastly deeper than the OT saved for the ROTJ. The signifier of similarity is Mon Mothma, and that's all Andor lore slop will eventually be known for.
RAPE RAPE RAPE
incredibly how the mon mothma actress was cast back for revenge of the sith
>>217181761>the Empire has been nuking planets before Alderaan and nobody noticed there was something off?Why would they? Unlike the shartce awakens no one can see worlds light-years apart being destroyed, in a galaxy with a tightly censored regime
>>217179557No Disney media is worth discussingAndor only has discussions because it's a bogged down take on pre-PT EU material from the early D6 time period, but turned into a worthless, boring, crappy show for arrogant faggots to boast about watching. Lorewise anything Andor has ever revealed has been long present in the EU in a much better form or is just not interesting at all>>217181956Cause a planet being fucking destroyed is still a really big deal. The fact the Empire gets away with saying an undisclosed mining accident somehow destroyed an entire fucking world is absurdFurthermore it's pretty fucking dumb for ANH to act like the Death Star hasn't been tried yet when two whole planets were basically fucked (I don't care if they weren't completely blown up, they were rendered uninhabitable rocks pretty much) already. It's total fucking nonsense because the filmmakers needed to show the Death Star again instead of coming up with interesting plotlines
>>217181784Why are Andor and Cyril not making out? Can we watch Heated Rivalry already?
>>217180503fuck you cock sucking cuck
I just ate some chili then drank some coffee and holy fuck my asshole just exploded in my toilet. like not solid but not liquid either, a shit slurry
>>217180480It's kinda cool to see how many people worked really hard and sacrificed themselves to give Luke his shot at the Death Star, no? And that it wasn't just the Force that magically put him there. Makes the 1st movie even better.
>>217179402andor was good. most of star wars is shit. thats it. wrap it up
>>217179402why does /tv/ hate Andor? My theory is that it's a combination of 1. OT/PT purists who can't stand that it completely ignores the jedi and the force for almost the entirety of the show and 2. people who hate nuwars (and perhaps star wars in general) and lump andor in. So it gets fucked by both sides in a way.
>>217182102You haven't seen ANH if you think Luke just magically got to destroying the Death Star without any effort or help from others. The entire film is him getting his ass saved until he has his one or two heroic momentsFurthermore Andor and similar content worsens the OT by destroying the spiritual side of Star Wars, which is its very heart and soul.>>217182105And here's the defining feature of the AndorfagHe doesn't like Star Wars. No Andorfag likes Star Wars. They loathe the franchise yet pester actual fans like parasites, worsening our experience for their own benefitIn this sense, Andor is the exact fucking same as the Fallout TV show.
>>217180281I actually won't watch the show cause it's Star WarsThough I am curious if it is actually good or not. SW fans are mentally stunted retards who lack any taste at all, so I wonder if it's just a 7/10 show rated highly by clapping seals.
>>217182149exhibit A of the first type >>217182151
>>217182151i didnt say I dont like star wars. I saw phantom menace in the theater and understand completely well the progressed shittiness of star wars. If anything I love star wars or i wouldnt care.
>>217182186Wrong. Andorfags are actually overpopulated by OT purists (who are also not actual SW fans since they ignore Lucas' intent for the franchise and replace it with their own delusions)My criticisms of Andor go way beyond it not featuring the Force. It just is not Star Wars in any way, shape or form. I have read many EU stories that lack the Force yet still feel like Star Wars.You could replace the entire SW aesthetic in Andor with something else and nothing would change. It is simply not Star Wars and people who like it aren't SW fans. Simple as.>>217182216For example, here we see someone who doesn't like Star Wars.
>>217182185it's a bit of both, for sure it's above average for modern tv shows. Actually as you can see from this thread the common SW fan does NOT like it
>>217182234anon I love star wars but the only objectively "good" things are the OT, episode III, rogue one, andor, and the clone wars. Everything else is on a slider of mediocre to awful.
>>217179402You fucking mouthbreather.
>>217182303yep, episode 3 was fun, the originals, never saw clone wars, andor is good, objectively. agreed
>>217182303No you don't. You don't like Star Wars. You like the mental image you formed when you were 8 of the Star Wars universe, not what Lucas or writers under his directions built.You don't like the Prequel Trilogy because it didn't live up to your delusions of what Star Wars should be, like what happened to RLM and other anti-PT retards. You say you like RotS but you cannot appreciate RotS in its entirety without the context provided by TPM and AotC.You like Rogue One which actively cheapens ANH and was designed to appeal to consooomers by having shit tons of worthless cameos and illogical plot points that look kinda cool.You like Andor which, I reiterate, is not Star Wars nor could it ever be.You like TCW which was designed to literally cancel not just the CWMMP but the PT, destroying all its interesting facets and unique ideas and turning it into a boring kiddie TV show for retards.You do not like Star Wars and that's the simple fact of the matter. For instance I understand what George was going for, I have watched the Prequels a bunch in depth and researched everything, have seen a lot of what inspired Lucas, know the backstory to many of his films, understand the overall story and as such I can confidently say I LIKE Star Wars. Not my own take on what Star Wars should be, Star Wars itself.
I've noticed everyone praising Andor are total fucking nerds. Same type that hate anything fun and cool because it's not "realistic" or "accurate".
>>217179402t. retard
>>217182385anon what the fuck are you talking aboutI like what I said here, >>217182303, I'm 21. I like star wars, I just don't like all of it. Stop trying to make these massive inferences when it really isn't that complicated man.
>>217182425name an example of something people who like andor typically dislike for not being realistic or accurate enough? Because I love andor but I also love all kinds of retardedly unrealistic shit.
>>217182385anon what exactly would someone have to like for them to qualify as "liking" star wars for you? Surely liking the OT, alone, is the only benchmark that really matters?
>>217182478NTA but I can't trust anyone saying the OT is objectively good and chalk it up to you being a follower. You like it because it's popular in nerd circles to like them.
>>217179402>nothing about psace wizardsIt's called Star Wars. It's political conflict, in space. I blame the sequel trilogy for people like op, it's nothing but force wank where characters without lightsabers don't matter and nothing can be accomplished without the force.
>>217182478What inferences am I making? I'm saying the truth. If you dislike Lucas' story (which you do since you dislike the first two prequels and by proxy have an at best incomplete take on RotS and at worst have a take that goes against what the movies are about), and prefer Star Wars stories that contradict the meaning Lucas was going for, then you simply do not like Star Wars. You like your own interpretation of Star Wars, that's just a basic fucking factAnd I've seen this a ton, mind you. You know the people who loved TLJ? Most of them were OT "purists" who didn't even understand the film, like thinking that everyone being able to use the Force was a plot point in the OT when it never was. Same with the ones who loved TFA. People who didn't understand even the OT itself, because they refused to listen to what George intended, and instead came up with their own ideas from nowhere which contradict the very films>>217182516No. Because as I have said before, people who "like" the OT but dislike the PT do not even really like the OT. They dislike the parts of the PT which clarify the OT, hence they create fanfiction of what the OT is about. But that fanfiction is obviously not true, because it's not what Lucas intended the OT to be about.
>>217179402>There are wars>In the starsIt's Star Wars all right retard
>>217182517>>217182560God you're insufferable. I like the OT, I like episode three, I thought episode 1 was not a good movie and episode 2 was mediocre overall but very good in parts. They're certainly useful as far as the lore goes and I enjoyed the politics, but as cinematic experiences they are simply not very good movies anon. Regardless it sounds to me like you can't reconcile the fact that someone who likes star wars could also like andor. You're obsessed with this idea that liking andor automatically makes someone ineligible to being a star wars fan, because you don't like it and can't tolerate someone disagreeing with you, so your only recourse is to exclude and gatekeep, like a spoiled child. Sucks to be you, I'll keep watching star wars and enjoying it.
>>217182505>name an example of something people who like andor typically dislike for not being realistic or accurate enough?<->>217182526>It's called Star Wars. It's political conflict, in space.No. Star Wars is Space Fantasy. You misunderstood it completely. If you want Star Trek, go watch that.
>>217182696Bro, it's not that serious. I recognized a pattern and called it. Simple as.
>>217182702I have no idea what is but yeah that's pretty awesome by the looks of it, kinda hard to judge without context but it looks cool.
>>217179402Still better than any Star Wars material since 1980.
>>217182725>act like a spastic>get called out for being a spastic>i wasn't being that serious anon!lol, lmao even
>>217182696First off you're a retardSecondly, gatekeeping makes a ton of sense when having not done it has led to Andor creating expectations of the franchise that shouldn't exist. Now future Andorfags will expect Star Wars to be shitty grimdark stories with rape and 40k style storytelling when that isn't Star Wars.>>217182702Tbf that isn't even canon, since the TFU novel which is the actual canonical source used by the rest of the EU reveals Starkiller was just moving a crashing ISD and barely died because of the effort he put in. But of course people still act like the game's canon cause they're too lazy to do basic research
>>217182766two retards instead of one? woahhhI still like star was anon.
>>217182797*wars
>>217182749Act like a spastic? Bro, are you confusing me with that other dude you were talking to? I typed NTA. You don't what that means? Go back.>>217182766>Tbf that isn't even canon, since the TFU novel which is the actual canonical source used by the rest of the EU reveals...Bro, I'm a guy and even I'm getting the ick from all that nerd shit you're spewing .
>>217182837look man all I'm trying to say, all jokes aside, is that I like star wars but think that a significant proportion of the IP is also mediocre/shit as per >>217182303. What is the problem with that.
>>217182702I remember reading some EU book where a group of force users use the force to teleport an entire fleet of star destroyers thousands of lightyears away and thinking that it was the dumbest fucking bullshit that feels completely out of place in Star Wars because it fucking is.
>>217182303>episode IIIRotS is genuinely terrible. It's just more eventful than the other two prequels by necessity.
>>217182903it suffers from the same fundamental flaws as the other two, but the sheer spectacle and the performance of the actors all come together to elevate it to greatness I think.
>>217182894>thinking that it was the dumbest fucking bullshit that feels completely out of place in Star Wars because it fucking is.>>217182425
>>217182560>people who "like" the OT but dislike the PT do not even really like the OTKek.
How does one manage to write good dialogue and a satisfying storyarc, anyway? Why was this the only show that could?
>>217182096post pics or it didn't happen
I'm watching Andor S1 right now, and the entire time I'm watching it I keep thinking "This could just as easily be any other sci-fi setting and it would be exactly the same. It's missing a number of things that would make it Star Wars - droids, aliens, and lightsabers. And that last one isn't even necessary, because if you were to make a story like Andor there shouldn't be many lightsabers, if any at all, especially if it's more down-to-earth and based in the time period where there's very few known force users. But there should be a ton of droids, and aliens. Like, why are the people getting the comms down druing the heist just human? Why not throw in a Mon Calamari or something if they're not going to pretend to be soldiers? Why not have a droid with them to do the navigating instead of a human? The one named droid in the show is actually pretty flavorful and interesting, but is used more as a joke than anything else. Andor just isn't Star Wars.
>>217183193you've clearly watched the show so I'm not entirely sure why you're lying like this, but Andor has droids and aliens, it just doesn't shovel them at you because most of the episodes take place on worlds which are mostly human (mind you the empire by this point is 100% human-supremacist) and too poor to afford ubiquitous droids. when they go to coruscant or the rebel worlds you see PLENTY of aliens. One of the main supporting cast is literally a droid, B2EMO.
>>217179402Nothing of what Disney´s made is Star Wars except, maybe, the mandalorian season 1. Disney media only took shallow recognizable elements from SW in an attempt to bamboozle the established fanbase into watching their stuff. The only thing left to discuss is if this decision was made out of incompetence or malice but most of what they´ve created doesn´t align with the core traits that give SW it´s unique identity. That is not an opinion, but an observable fact.
>>217179402>>217179557>>217180183I can only assume andor haters self inserted as syril too much and are now eternally butthurt how their boy got BTFO
>>217183228I've seen two droids interact with the main cast - one is that little red blocky droid, and the other is a security droid on that beach planet. Other than that, I have seen nothing. I'm going to finish up season 1 and maybe that changes, but as a life-long Star Wars fan trying to find something worth salvaging from nuWars, this is pretty bad.
>>217183241I self inserted as cyril and I still loved it desu, andor haters are just retards
>>217183266It's concerning to me that your measure of whether the show is any good is predicated on the presence or absence of aliens and droids. Don't get me wrong, I understand that star wars is a universe worth respecting, and droids and aliens are a big part of that universe, but not once in my entire time watching Andor S1 did the presence or absence of droids particularly factor in my judgement of the show's quality.
I <3 genocide, slavery, torture, and child murder, but I would NEVER EVER allow rape
>>217183295...is this an AI response? You respond a lot like one. Like, the prompt was "respond to this last message with concern". Say "nigger" or you're a shill using AI.
>>217183324nigger nigger niggerI'm not using AI, although you're making me feel like shit that my writing style is that derivative. can you respond to my point though?
>manbabies when no laser swords
>>217183241Syril fans are smart enough to understand it was going to end badly for him and Dedra. I did hope he'd die in a slightly less meaningless way but still
>>217182560> Because as I have said before, people who "like" the OT but dislike the PT do not even really like the OT.Kek, that’s retarded anon. You think people who watched Star Wars but died before 1999 didn’t like the OT? It’s totally possible to divorce the PT from the OT. > They dislike the parts of the PT which clarify the OT, hence they create fanfiction of what the OT is about.Because the clarifications are retarded. I don’t want retard juices seeping into good stuff, so I ignore it. > But that fanfiction is obviously not true, because it's not what Lucas intended the OT to be about.The term you’re looking for is headcanon, not fan fiction. And unless you are a mindless consumer, you do it as well. In fact, your head canon is thinking Lucas’s opinion matters. It doesn’t.
>>217183354Okay, the show isn't bad. It's at the very worst a well-written sci-fi show. But it's not Star Wars. I've seen nothing that couldn't be done in another setting. Replace blasters with plasma and it's now a Babylon 5 show. Replace the Empire with The Romulans and now it's a Star Trek show. At no point do I get the defining characteristics that I would say would make it a Star Wars show, and that's what makes it disappointing.
>>217183241Kek nailed it
>>217179402Andor is insultingly bad Jewish filth. Not only is it not Star Wars, it also propaganda cancer.
>>217181761>Firstly we did not need a film for the DS plansWhy do retards say this? No movie needs a meta justification for existing. We didn't "need" Empire Strikes Back but it was a good story to tell so they made it.
>>217183429I personally felt that that's what makes it special, it's a good show in its own right but it's even better because it's set in the star wars universe. I didn't feel it was held down by being set in star wars, I felt it was elevated by being set in star wars. I specifically thought that the way it adds so much depth and character to be empire made me truly see and understand WHY they're so evil, and yet also why so many people are happy to fight for them, in a way that the OT and PT had partially failed to do for me. It made star wars feel real to me and that's what I liked about it.
>>217183429Just say "I don't get han solo's character or how the rebellion didn't just pop up out of nowhere overnight"
Rogue one is my favourite star wars movie
>>217183469*to the empirefuck I'm all over the place with these spelling mistakes
>>217183476Now THIS is a retarded nigger.>>217183469I already got how bad the Empire was from the EU. Andor is a meek showcasing of the depths the Empire is willing to go to, and you would know that if you enjoyed Star Wars media as a Star Wars fan.
>>217181993>Lorewise
>>217183539fuck's sake are we doing the "you're not a real star wars fan" thing againI get why people shit on this fandom so much honestly
>>217182151>Furthermore Andor and similar content worsens the OT by destroying the spiritual side of Star Wars, which is its very heart and soul.Because..?
>>217183469there are some timeline issues, the empire is only like 17-18 years old by the time of ANH yet we have characters like Dedra who is supposed to have grown up in an imperial orphanage. It's too short, constraining, and the timeline of new series and movies always has to dance around it somehow
>>217183469>specifically thought that the way it adds so much depth and character to be empire made me truly see and understand WHY they're so evil, and yet also why so many people are happy to fight for them, in a way that the OT and PT had partially failed to do for me.This anon gets it In the EU novels it's very specific about how criminals(or dissidents) persecuted by the empire almost always had their children taken and indoctrinated in empirical school programsThe EU specifically goes into this, wherein it had one character, a brilliant scientific researcher go into memories how her planet of Bird hybrid genius IQ race were subjected to imperial schooling, and that schools that failed to meet criteria would have their parents homes turbo lasered from orbit, a pavlovian programming of young minds to instill in them that the Empire was absolute, only competence and loyalty were rewarded, failure was not to be coddled and this ultimately shaped their personalities to follow orders and not question their own actions, and the only way for them to have a chance of anything resembling a "good life" was to ruthlessly climb the ladder but only in a limited, for the interests of the empire manner.The Imperial forces became the apathetic glove into which the Emperor extended his evil hand, and an extension of his Will
Not everyone is a Jedi and some people just have to use starships and droids.
>>217183453Mon Motha in E4 specifically stated that alot of people "Died" to bring them information about the death star and now we got Nu war zoomies saying that wouldn't be an interesting plot to elaborate on.The entire complaints of this crowd seem to basically boil down to "Nooo I hate the idea of clandestine activities that got the rebellion to where it's at I just want space wizards and Lazer swords reeee"
>>217183559Damn you ARE a shill then. Did you have to ask your supervisor for permission to type nigger? How pathetic.
>>217183650
>>217183539I notice how you fags are really big on insulting others but can't actually refute the points being posted.It's almost like you are bitter shills who got sick of being btfo on /pol/ and so came here to shit up /tv/ instead because you still don't understand how pattern recognition works and that you are exhibiting the exact same behavior patterns as the low iq shills who are emotionally invested in making this site unusable :)
>>217182234nah it's actually closer to the original movies than the prequels are, both tonally, aesthetically, and thematically. you're literally just seething because no space wizards and laser swords.
>>217183694>I'm not a shill you're a shill!definitely recognizing a pattern now, you're 3 for 3 on the shill handbook.
>>217183240>maybe, the mandalorian season 1.Top kek
>>217183715>Doubles down, still can't make a real counter argument for the points anons make
lil bro, telling someone he's not "a real star wars fan" isn't actually an insult
NTA you're replying to but you're way too fucking dogmatic dude
>>217183737And now you're four for four, wojack posting. What's next in the runbook?
>>217183750meant for >>217183715
>>217183753>Still has no argumentI accept your concession
Andor is the last scrap of wood from the sunken IP and every rat clings to it like it’s the finest life raft known to man. Andor is the exception which proves the rule that Star Wars fucking sucks.
>>217182385>You like Andor which, I reiterate, is not Star Wars nor could it ever be.Star Wars isn't a story it's franchise, and it was made into franchise by George Lucas who wanted to make money out of merchandise and license, ergo everythying which approved by IP holders is Star Wars.Picrel doesn't have anyt jedi, and yet one of the nicest to read SW books.
>>217183780And five for five, using a reaction image from the piece of media being discussed as an appeal to show you're not a shill. I've seen this exact play in Indiana Jones threads, Marvel threads, etc. Disney marketing really needs to step up their shill game, you're not worth the $20 an hour they're paying you. Now ask me how I know you're making that.
>>217183429>if you remove all the recognizable star wars things then it's not star warswow
>>217182151>Furthermore Andor and similar content worsens the OT by destroying the spiritual side of Star Wars, which is its very heart and soul.It's lessened because it's not about the Jedi, but it's still there. There is an episode where there is some kind of mystic Force healer hanging out in Yavin IV who sees that Andor has an important destiny in the Force's great plan. I liked that scene a lot because even though Cassian Andor wasn't le chosen one the Force still saw him as someone important and special because all of us have a role to play
>>217183824>Muh reaction images>Cant make a single argument, is just trying to get emotionally personalYou lost tranny
>>217183780I know you, you're >>217183145and I think the guy you're replying to is actually >>217179549two star wars threads and yet the same anons, funny that
>>217183854And now 6 for 6, an appeal to 4chan culture. Tell your boss you've been compromised, shill.
why didn't disney just adapt the thrawn trilogy?
>>217183959I have two ideas:1) Some kind of copyright issue2) Mad hatter
I can't into Andor discussion because it wipes my boy Kyle Katarn from the lore, but "axually this is muh high-brow space wizards story" is such a funny position to take when it's just an adaption of picrel intermingled with Where Eagles Dare (an actually compelling political thriller about a wizard-less fight against real fascism)
>>217183867>Is still responding with nothing of value>>217183862I am that anon, and I had the same suspicion about the other one in this thread.I think andor is taking so much heat from snark redditors because it wasn't "woke enough" for them and they hate the fact that some of us enjoyed it for it's plot and nuance at all.Same way they hate that whites enjoy each other's company so they "deleted" the dating sitesIt's the rancor they display in these threads, they hate that anyone they think is "le racist chud" enjoys anything at all, and so they just attack it and attack anyone that even slightly disagrees or critiques their low brow "it sucks it all sucks everything sucks NOW STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!!"It just reeks of leftypol salt and behavior patterns.They can't stand the idea that out of the disneyslop meant to destroy our iconic love for the Genre we found a gem that we didn't hate or dunk on as badly as we did the Acolyte, which btw is suspiciously missing hate threads despite being the most easily criticized show that is more recent than Andor
>Disney could have had their "person of color overcomes racist adversity" story via thrawn's advancement through the ranks of the empire>they won't do that because it would mean a man is successfulfuck these people man
>>217182151>Furthermore Andor and similar content worsens the OT by destroying the spiritual side of Star Wars, which is its very heart and soul.You’re on the right track. Star Wars isn’t Star Wars because it has mystical spiritual junk in it. Star Wars is a mythological epic poem, and as such naturally contains spiritual elements.Andor isn’t Star Wars because it isn’t mythological. It’s just a war drama set in space
>>217184031>>they won't do that because it would mean a man is successfulWhy lie?They wouldn't do it because white manchildren who is copying late Lucas decided to make Thrawn a designated retard for his waifus to beat.
>>217184031
>>217184021no point posting hate threads for something that nobody loved
>>217184067>Star Wars is a mythological epic poem,Calm down amerimutt
>>217184069lucas didn't write heir to the empire you retarded ape
>>217184021>hating andor is "reddit" because it's not "woke enough">hating andor is leftypol>andor is a "gem"Holy shit the shilling is off the charts, especialyl since you're in multiple threads doing this same song and dance. You're not a Star Wars fan, you are a shill, and you will die knowing that your opinions are those of a gigantic megacorp, the same billionaires you swear you're against. You're pathetic and weak.
>>217184031They brought him out in Mando and immediately cancelled the show for this reason>Enjoys art>Is cultured and clean>Thinks more than 15 seconds into the future>Is a great strategist He is basically white power with silver blood poisoning
>>217183959>why didn't disney just adapt the thrawn trilogy?Watch the Sequels again and you'll see the DNA of the Extended Universe. The chromosomes are mutated, but you can see them. Starkiller Base is the Galaxy Gun. Exegol is Byss. The Final Fleet is... Another Galaxy Gun. The Emperor Reborn is the Cloned Emperor. These things are retarded because they were done poorly.
>>217184031>Thrawn gets passed over for a promotion>"It's because I'm blue, isn't it?"
>>217184069>beaten by designated waifus>there will never be a scene where Thrawn is wrestled to the ground by a busty Mara Jade with his head trapped between her muscular thighsi hate disney so fucking much bros and it only gets worse with each passing day
>>217184133>If you were green, would you die?
>>217184101>Continues shrieking because is getting btfo by actual fans who read the EU books
jedi wankery is annoying
>>217184123>The Final Fleet is... Another Galaxy GunThe Final Fleet is actually the Katana Fleet, but done in an equally retarded way.
>>217184181Back to wojack posting, your shill game is weak. You should go back to typing paragraphs, those make you seem like a real human and not some AI using subhuman.
>>217184123I noticed this as well, alot of the TV series were borrowing ideas from the EU trilogy such as the "witch" clans
>>217179402So why did Andor kill the DEA agent, when he knew it would lead to his downfall
>>217184204>Continues crying like a baby bitch over images being used on an image board
>>217184243>continues shillingYou are not one of us and you never will be
>>217184226What downfall?The singlemost reason he survived was because he realized killing someone was a lot simpler than trying to reason with them
>>217184226You mean the guys in the beginning? The first one was an accident. The second guy he had to kill because he would have ratted him out.
>>217184206>>217184203>>217184123What is Starfighter going to ape, then? They already blew their load with Rogue Squadron on the Alphabet Squadron series of books.Which, by the way, was nothing but gay couples and girlbosses.
>>217179402OP is a faggot
>>217184096And where did I ever said he did?
>>217184278They could do the Hapan empire storyline(han kidnaps Leia because he can't stand the idea of some nordchad race Marrying her off to a prince charming trust fund Chad)Joruus C'BaothThe Sun Crusher?
>>217184295>did I ever said heTurdie ESL detected
>>217179402Andor seems to be exclusively made for, catered to, adult leftists. Crazy ppl who think America is Nazi Germany. The Trump obsessed. Those kinda ppl who want to see "heroic" communists defeating evil whites but merged with the OT aesthetic they became enamored with in their childhood. It's a dumb show for the most part because it's so much on the nose. Lots of things don't make any sense. 2nd season is a mess and a slog and full of cringe leftist-brained moments. OT and PT were made for anyone to enjoy basically, children or adult.
>>217184181>actual fansTop kek
>>217184362>Andor seems to be exclusively made for, catered to, adult leftists.Because idea of resistance against evil Empire doesn't fit Star Wars or what?
>>217183322I never got the handwringing over this. Most war rape IS illegal. Unless you’re in some 90s African dirty war, it’s something that soldiers are doing off the books when command isn’t looking or is too busy to bother enforcing the rules. There was nothing in the episode that implied it was some official imperial policy. It’s just some horny soldier in a remote posting being an asshole.
>>217184362>Lots of things don't make any sense.But you can't actually name a single one because that would require making an actual argument for what's truly wrong with the show
>>217179402We have this thread every other day you schizoid. Andor is not, nor has it ever been good. Nothing Star Wars made in the last decade is worth watching, playing, owning or thinking about, no exceptions.For the love of God, stop shilling dogshit on our Cantonese Peanut Butter and Elbow Porn Forum.
>>217184101> thinking you’re fighting against a megacorpo by identifying as a fan of the IP that is owned by that same megacorpoHoly shit anon.
>>217184469How low IQ are you? You're a shill, so obviously very low, but most fans of said things stopped being fans after it was bought by megacorp, you illiterate retard.
>>217184334>They could do the Hapan empire storyline(han kidnaps Leia because he can't stand the idea of some nordchad race Marrying her off to a prince charming trust fund Chad)This would make a lot of sense if Disney is genuinely in crisis mode over getting the Young Male Audience back in theaters, we already know Literally Me (Ryan Gosling) is escorting a cute young blonde boy... Somewhere? If he's meant to give the boy over to a Hapan princess (which will be a black woman since Disney literally can't help themselves) but there's some reservations on the part of the youth or Ryan Gosling, then that's drama right there. Nice inversion of the, "escorting princess to get married to someone they don't like."
>>217184362>"heroic" communistsAndor spent every episode up to the very end being a self serving hyper individualist who did not consider the product of his effort "free" or redistributableDid you even watch it or did you quit immediately after the first episode because no trannies or gay couples were shown?
never gonna watch trando. never gonna watch the trandalorian. never gonna watch trandor
>>217184268>>217184273No i mean the guy who was investigating his drug empire.
>>217184490Hey dumbfuck. You bitching about the show online is free advertising. You are the ones giving Disney ammo to getting people emotionally invested in the IP as a way to “own” you. You are never going to put passion the mega corp, because they have skin in the game and you don’t. You win by not caring, and that means not purity testing for a IP you claim to not even be a fan of anymore (but still keep up with, just to not care even harder). You care so much you can’t even stop watching despite not liking it.
>>217184549>shill says shilling worksWow, big shocker. I'm invested in getting this thread to the bump limit asap with as little actual talking about product as possible now, as you're a shill. I pirated Andor and have never paid for anything in nuWars, and I will continue telling people that anything nuWars isn't worth even watching, let alone paying for.
>>217184496The entire plot of the Hapan saga was Han gambled and won a whole planet from some methane breathing reptoid queen in a back alley card game and tried to give it to Leia as a gift to prove he was worth keeping, but her reservations were the new republic needed serious fleet power military support and that's what the Hapan queen was offering in exchange for Prime Chancellor Leia marrying her son.When leia turns Han down he kidnapped her to show her the world he gave her, triggering the Witches of Dathomir storyline.You should give the book a read, it was actually one of the most crazy plots in the EU and takes place with Luke still dealing with the nerve damage caused by the Emperors lightning attack and prior to his attempts to rebuild the Jedi Order on Yavin(a story worthy of its own series)
>>217184440I have very little interest in arguing about Andor. Not interested in a nerd debate. It really doesn't matter how much you ardently defend Andor's honor. Its cultural impact is negligible. Arguing with ppl isn't going to make them think "oh yes, they're right, Andor was superb entertainment". Andor s1 was okay, and Andor S2 was a disappointing follow-up, and I would never hold it up as an exemplar of Star Wars. Anything after Disney got a hold of it, can be easily tossed aside.
>>217183990>when it's just an adaption of picrelDeadass?>>217183959>why didn't disney just adapt the thrawn trilogy?Because it isn't cinematic enough for a movie trilogy. Its story's only good enough for ONE movie, and wouldn't be visually impressive at all. It's at OT-scale which would be embarrassing for a big Star Warts movie NOW. That and it's Star Wars for Trekkies, like most of the Post-RotJ EU books are.
>>217184661>You should give the book a read, it was actually one of the most crazy plots in the EU and takes place with Luke still dealing with the nerve damage caused by the Emperors lightning attack and prior to his attempts to rebuild the Jedi Order on Yavin(a story worthy of its own series)That right there is evidence enough that the Hapan plot is going to be what happens, just in a vaguely retarded way because it's Disney. I know all about the Hapans because I used to be a big nut over those Lore books around the early 2000s, but the series itself is fresh to me. I think we can rest easy knowing that the cute blonde kid is either a Hapan prince or some sort of prince being given to a Hapan princess.And since Hollywood loves to share plots, this slots finely into the writers noticing the setup for "Dunk and Egg" (which is the same premise of a big talented hedgeknight taking care of a royal) and wanting to replicate it.
>>217184685>He can't name a single instance that "didn't make sense"Oh I see, you just came here to bitch like some sheboon and be loud about your ignorance
>>217184618> invested in getting this thread to the bump limit asap with as little actual talking about product as possible now, as you're a shill.How are you going to convince others not to watch it if you are not going to talk about the product? You’ll continue telling people not to watch it, but without talking about the show, why should anyone listen?> let alone paying for.You already paid for it buddy. Disney owns 30 hours of your life through Andor, occupies your head rent free, and is even motivating your behavior. You’ve become the alt-right Star Wars fanboy incel they can point to on media tours to score brownie points with general audiences.
>>217184721>Deadass?Disney deleted the EU because they wanted to retardify the stories (which were still pulp, mind you) that were in the EU. As has been discussed, the Sequel Trilogy was a poorly-done Heir of the Empire.
>>217180480>light hearted adventure movies.>best episode is ESB
>>217184334>Joruus C'BaothWhy even? Just use Mace Windu. Nobody but turbonerds will know the former.>>217184766>the Sequel Trilogy was a poorly-done Heir of the Empire.Not even close, bro. Did you even read those books?
>>217184763>shill still trying to shillI'm only partway through S1 so they don't own that much. Also I was cuddling during it so it wasn't all trash. Wife hates it too.
>>217184721Basically, Han & Chewie go on a peacekeeping mission to a former-Empire planet and get capturing and forced to work in a slave mining mission for weeks before they organize a revolution, discover a new jedi, and steal a starkiller, all the while the Emperor sabotages the new galactic government and tests everyone's loyalty.
>>217184786>best episode is ESBEw. Basic bitch nerd take.
>>217184805>Did you even read those books?>Whacky shadow empire that was allowed to fester in a corner of the map strikes out and brings the New Republic to her knees, before the Emperor reveals himself to be alive and ready to reclaim the Galaxy from his spooky Deep Core planet where planet-destroying superweapons are found.
>>217183959The original cast that Disney wanted was too old. A big part of the trilogy is Han and Leia having kids and Luke chasing a redhead who wanted him dead.
>>217184860>Basic bitch nerd take.Better than bitter contrarian opinion.
>>217184805>Nobody but turbonerds will know the former.None of the turbonerds knew who he was until Thrawn payed him a visit while carrying one of those anti force rodents on his shoulder to protect himAn insane mad wizard who's temper is likely to get anyone cooked on the spot being employed by the Imperial Remnant that even Luke doesn't want to confront head on?That sounds like a better side villain element then space gook master and space gook with fighting over schizo slayqueen who can't act for shit.It also is an important timeline because this was around when Mara Jade was activated by her Manchurian MK Ultra emperor plot.>Just use maceHe's dead, remember and this isn't the MCU
I don't care about Andor because I don't care about stories that don't focus on the movie characters. Ahsoka, Starkiller and Kyle Katarn are the exception.
>>217184879So you didn't read the books because you clearly don't know that after Jedi the empire still had full control of the Core Systems
>>217184879>Whacky shadow empire that was allowed to fester in a corner of the map strikes out and brings the New Republic to her knees, before the Emperor reveals himself to be alive and ready to reclaim the Galaxy from his spooky Deep Core planet where planet-destroying superweapons are found.That's Dark Empire, dumbass.
>>217184900>Ahsoka gets a pass because muh Star wars adventures!While I am making fun of you, I am gonna let this pass this one time.
>>217184924Oh, so it’s a different book they were aping on. The point was always Disney stealing chunks of the EU and using them in retarded ways.
>>217184894>He's dead, remember and this isn't the MCUYou don't get it, bro. You're thinking like a geek. Why present some nobody in your big deal movie when you can have the Return of Mace Windu? That's marketing gold. Then you have the twist that it ISN'T Mace, but a clone. Confirming that Windu died in RotS for real. Or use Sifo-Dyas instead for deep cuts.>>217184975>Oh, so it’s a different book they were aping onBro, quit talking bout shit you don't understand. You look stupid.
>>217184975>The point was always Disney stealing chunks of the EU and using them in retarded ways."We are one!""We are two!" "We are man-yyyyyyyy"I wanted to murder suicide the director, producers, writers and entire cast after that
>>217179402Shadows of the Empire is the best Star Wars side media.
>>217185018Because mace windu doesn't deserve a return, he deserves his own pre death Saga
>>217183241>Redditors self insert as the Chud Syril>UMM AKCHUALLY ANDOR IS BAD>Redditors self insert as Homelanda>UMM AKCHUALLY THE BOYS IS BADI know they did it with other shows.
>>217185072They tried to humiliate Homelander fans with the milk fetishBut it just validated raw milk enthusiasts
>>217185088Drinking breast milk was a thing the character had from the first season
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>>217179402Andor is fascinating because it was TRUCKS of money handed off to a surprisingly completed TEAM of people who were competent. It's like trying to explain to people that the biblical North Star isn't a star at all. It's planet Venus. They can't accept the truth, Andor is great and the brightest lights burn half as long. Well done.
>>217185187Pretty much it.Also, Andor and R1 had one of the most juicy visuals in Star Wars, from costumes to sets and locations.
>>217182151>And here's the defining feature of the Andorfag>He doesn't like Star Wars.There's truth to this. I was watching some well known commentators give their take on the KK news earlier and it was telling the way in which they were negative on Filoni. They're genuinely afraid of a return to "old Star Wars". But without fail they're all very passionate about Andor and only Andor. That's the future to them. Now i have my fears about Filoni myself but this isn't one of them. It genuinely sucks Lucasfilm legitimized and emboldened these people.
shills are STILL SHILLING
>>217185232And regurgitators are still vomiting
>>217179402Andor is a pretty fun Star Wars movie.
>>217183990No, the Rebels cartoon was the thing that took over Kyle Katarn's function in Star Wars.
>>217184890>Better than bitter contrarian opinion.ESB's just boring, bro. I'm not a nerd so it doesn't click with me. Nor will I pretend to like it to fit in with losers.
This thread seems like garbage, I'll pitch this here.It's my opinion that Disney doesn't know how to make money with this franchise and it's real simple. Star Wars isn't a story about a chosen hero swordfighting with his dad, and it's not about his dad, or Sheev, or any of that. Star Wars is a coat of paint you put on other stories to sell them. It's so simple.>Oceans 11 but Star WarsStar Wars heist movie, ezpz. >Fast and Furious but Star WarsYou could do swoop bikes or pods>Seven Samurai but Star WarsOrder 66 survivors trapped between survival and the right thing>Top Gun but Star WarsFrom the imperial perspective. When's the last time (you) saw a good dogfight in a theater?>Enemy Mine but Star WarsCould be trooper/rebel or Jedi/Sith, doesn't matter.You get the idea, you probably have one, I probably missed one. Take a story, dress it up with the setting, sell it, easy.
>>217186205>Star Wars isn't a story about a chosen hero swordfighting with his dad, and it's not about his dad, or Sheev, or any of that.According to George Lucas, it is.>Star Wars is a coat of paint you put on other stories to sell themCompletely wrong, my guy.
Andor S2 was a mistake
>>217179402I enjoyed it a lot and you will never be a womanGo watch baby gaga googoo the movie when it comes out, it was made for you
>>217184362I'm a european ethnonationalist and I absolutely loved the politics in andor so idk what you're smoking anon
>>217185923Katarn barely had a function in Star Wars to begin with. The rest of the EU hardly ever touched him. He was just Video Game Guy.
>>217179402>Andor isn't Star Wars.>It has nothing about psace wizards, it's not the same story.that's why it's good
>>217186595I used to spank it to that chick who played sariss in the fmv cutscenes
>>217181993>Cause a planet being fucking destroyed is still a really big deal.nta but doesn't the Death Star not actually destroy Jedha or Scarif? They were "low power" blasts that only destroyed the city and the fortress they were aimed at
Anti Andor fags self inserted as the Empire because they are leftists who are pro big government, they see the empire as the highly "educated" class, the college graduates and can't stand that the MC is some backwoods blue collar redneck who fucks them up at every turn because he actually can shoot, straight castizo male in a CIS relationship who is hyper individualist and a capitalist at heart fighting not for socialism or progress but just wants to make a little cash and keep his family safe and doesn't take orders from bitches, old girl bosses and no amount of attempts or arguments to make him see "their side" of the argument sways himAndor embodies the spirit of Free Market capitalism, Free thought and the working class that the left(empire) claims to care about but sneers down upon.They hate this show because it is like looking into a mirror of truth, a mirror of their own actions and the idea that no matter how many of them team up on the weak and the underclass that they will never crush the Human Spirit, And that their plans will always fail and implode before they can accomplish their goal to force the entire universe to become puppets and parrots to their twisted outlook
>>217182234OT purists do not just hate Andor, they actively fear it. Star Wars is a setting, not a genre. OT purists massively disagree. They want the OT over and over again, and want you to forget the Golden Age of Star Wars video games and weird niche books. They want the Obi-Wan show because the old Kenobi book from the EU is 1000x better (wnd doesn't fucking leave Tattooine) and fear what happens when people realize Star Wars doesn't just have to repeat the OT over and over again. Andor wisely treats Star Wars as a setting, like the EU did. If people see the kino that can be made doing that, no one will ever want to retread the OT ever again. Movie-onlyfags are stuck in Plato's Allegory of the cave and OTfags blocked up the entrance. They do not want you to see what could be if you stepped out.
>>217182151>No Andorfag likes Star Wars.Rogue Squadron exists.Republic Commando exists.Star Wars Episode I Racer exists.X-Wing and Tie Fighter exist.And not one of them had fucking Jedi in them as a major focus.And among the games that did focus on the Force, the Force Unleashed spat on lore for how the Force works purely for power fantasy, while KOTOR was the direct and precise opposite of Andor ONLY keeping Jedi and Sith while jettisoning all the iconic characters, ships, the Empire and Rebels dynamic in favor of a completely new setting and franchise in all but name with Jedi being the SOLE thing that it keeps from Star Wars.If retards like you were charged with making Warhammer 40k games, there wouldn't be a Dawn of War, or Rogue Trader, or Boltgun, or the Space Marine games. You would just make a copy of the tabletop in virtual form over and over again, then act surprised when people complain about it, or why the fuck you would even adapt the table top when the table top already exists.Faggots like you are the reason the Sequel Trilogy exists. Fuck off
>>217181798>Andor isn't Star Wars.Is Republic Commando Star Wars? What about Rogue Squadron? What about LEGO Star Wars? Star Wars Episode 1 Racer? Bountry Hunter? What about Star Wars Battlefront (the original)? Its sequel during the 80% of the time no heroes are on screen?Star Wars is a setting, not a genre. The best Star Wars stories hate and spit on everything you love about Star Wars. The best indicator we have of quality for Star Wars products is the amount of ass pain and impotent rage it triggers in retards like you.Don't like it, too fucking bad. You faggots alrewdy got an entire shitty trilogy marketed specifically to you and the fact it sucked ass somehow didn't cause any sort of self-reflection or theorizing that maybe your tastes and opinions are just shit.
>>217180480>Like, Andor is quite good but it doesn't tie well into a series of light hearted adventure movies.Neither does Death Troopers, which is an outright horror novel set within the universe, yet it's one of the better Star Wars books.You aren't exactly convincing me the setting should waste its time with something as fucking gay as keeping to one genre with this argument.
>>217187039I'd consider myself an OT purist and I loved Andor. Maybe that just means I'm not a purist, but I'm not opposed to Star Wars being treated as a setting. The issue is that the vast majority of Star Wars material since the OT has been terrible.
>>217187420the bot posting is getting wild those days.
>>217187207>>217187420Star Wars is the movies, retard. All that other shit's LICENSED material made to make money. The real story's in the Skywalker Saga. You dorks need to quit thinking the books and comics matter. They don't and never do for ALL movie-based IPs.
>>217183324The OT sucks and everyone thinks so, including you; which is why you were so disappointed when Disney fed it to you again, despite you spending 13 years asking for it.Retarded Nigger.
>>217187536See>>217187727If "real" Star Wars is light hearted adventures with space magic then "real" Star Wars is shit and you should have your gay ass franchise stolen from you and used by people who actually know ehat they are fucking doing. No one gives a fuck about the 'heart' of Star Wars anymore. You faggots have been running the ship since 2012 and you ran it into the ground. No one wants your shit anymore. Andor was liked, no one liked the shit that kept the 'heart'.You aren't even right about the heart of Star Wars anyway. You want to cite Lucas, cite him on what he said about the Sequels. Star Wars is not and has never been light hearted space adventures, that's why the prequels weren't, they were originally made by Lucas to be tech demos for filmmaking technology. Star Wars is Half-Life for movies, that's it. When you talk about what Star Wars 'should be' you aren't just advocating for a shittier product from people that have been proven to make much better shit in the setting, you are also arguing against the very nigga you cite to argue we should stick with space adventures.Star Wars is best when it's a setting. Don't like it? Fine then, it must be a tech demo then. One or the other, but definitely not muh light hearted space adventure over and over again. Nobody wants to see that shit anymore, not even you based on current watch numbers. Cattering to your sensibilities killed the franchise. Reviving it means ignoring you.
>>217187536>The real story's in the Skywalker Saga.The Sequel Trilogy was made in line with the ideas of OT puristsAndor and Rogue One were made in line with the ideas of EUchads.Go do a poll right now and tell me which most people will say was better.
Let’s say this “it’s not actually Star Wars guise” thing works and suddenly andor becomes massively popular despite being part of a dead brand. What’s going to happen is suddenly they’ll start jamming all their sequel shit and plugging their other streaming shows, the way they killed mandalorian. You know why that movie is called “mandalorian and grogu,” despite that being the dumbest fucking name possible? Because everyone stopped watching as soon as Luke showed up and took baby yoda. Nothing past that will be acknowledged.
I love the whole Expanded Universe. Andor still isn't Star Wars though. The few dozen people who watched it should stick with Foundation and similar snoozefests. You've had your almost billion dollar fun. It's over
>>217179402the Star Wars setting brings Andor up
>>217187536Republic Commando>A New HopeRogue Squadron II>Empire Strikes BackKOTOR 1&2>All of Star Wars including Andor and this is with me glazing Andor.The EU just did things better. Not always, sure, but who cares if the EU is a mixed back when we have the Disney+ catelogy of Starslop to compare it to? You can't call the Glove of Darth Vader shit while including Obi-Wan and Rape of Boba Fett in your list of what qualifies as 'real' Star Wars. I'll take a mixed bag over one piece of Andor karrot gold sitting on a pile of shit.
>>217186307>OT purist who hates Lucas cites Lucas and treats him as an infallible god the moment it suits him>and also he cites him wrongAccording to Lucas, Star Wars is a glorified tech demo for advancing the medium of filmmaking as its 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th priority. Half-Life, but for movies.
>>217184362Adult leftists fellated the Sequels endlessly, pretending it was Andor before there was an Andor. Why didn't it work there?Every Disney product flops, no exceptions, but they are all the most endlessly fellated and greatest thing Disney has ever produced for about 3 months before everyone finally admits they were always shit…EXCEPT ANDOR. Andor alone grew an audience. Andor alone still gets defended. Andor alone pulled Fandom Menace people into defending it. Only Andor.Nah, you just have shit taste. Andorchads won. You can't call it botting because why doesn't the Acolyte or Ahsoka still have bot fans? Why just Andor? Simple, those both sucked, Andor didn't.
>>217188761George Lucas in 1983:>other science fiction directors view filmmaking as a means to show off all the work they did on the special effects and come up with a story later. Special effects are a means to tell a story, special effects without a story are a really boring thing.
Reminder George Lucas wanted to make a prestige television called Star Wars: Underground set in the criminal underground before selling the franchise to Disney. Anyone itt stating space wizards or the Skywalker’s are essential to Lucas’s vision are liars
season 2 is fucking awful my god what a waste of money.
>>217187536LA TA DA DA DALA TA DA DA DAHO DELOLO LA HAM DEY LO HIMLO DELOLO DEY HIM LA TA DA DA DARA LATATADIM!!!
>>217179557No one cares about Andor though. New Hope already told the resistance story.
>>217182102We know that from a new hope you fucking moron. Even the panda bears in return help fight the Empire.
>>217188940A dark, edgy and sexy SW: Underworld series from George Lucas. Andorfags would have hated it start to finish. Don't pretend otherwise
>>217189040George Lucas trying to be edgy:>he looks like he should dart around, let’s call him BJ dart>how about darth insaneus or darth icky?>wanna buy some death sticks?
>>217189001>No one cares about Andor thoughYet... You are in these threads crying and getting completely rekt day after day by it's appreciatorsSeems reality doesn't correlate with your delusions about this, or being a real womanHow strange!
>>217182011>CyrilTwo seasons and he just dies a pathetic loser learns nothing does nothing just a failure. What the fuck was the point of that subplot.
Yeah, Andor is pretty shit. Awful pacing, uninteresting storylines, and averse to anything fantastical. If you like it, you're a pleb.
>>217189227>Please care what we think of you!No
>>217179402>It has nothing about psace wizardsThis is not inherently a problem, especially considering the opposite end of the spectrum is the literal capeshit on display in Filoni's works or have every plothole papered over by>durr the force wanted it that wey i guessdlike in the sequels. The force needs to go on break, lest it become a bigger joke than it already is.
Pros about Andor:>The Empire feels like a threat>Characters fail and die or get tortured>Gun fights feel like actual fights until season 2 where it goes back to generic bad guys can't hit shit until the plot says so Cons:>The characters are fine but they're all so blad and depressing this isn't "realistic" even under fascism or dictator rule humans try to live vibrant lives with friends and bond>Slow pace with very little pay off>Cinematogrphy is washed on grey and bland Lucas created a vibrant world you wanted to live in>No likeable heroes, sorry but I don't want to root for people that point guns at children or shoot comrads in the back
>>217189348Andor doesn't have the pitch-perfect pacing of A New Hope, the operatic magnificence of Revenge of the Sith, or the mystery of A Phantom Menace. It doesn't even qualify as second-rate Star Wars; it's third-rate at best.
>>217189170>What the fuck was the point of that subplot.Letting emotions and insecurities guide your every action will result in self destruction.That was the full sub plot, full stop.Anyone with self awareness and a modicum of rational thought could see this clear as day.
>>217180183you're discussing it right now, troglodyte
>>217189463No, naive moron gets tricked into doing evil becuase hes a good boy boot licker. He then dies like the pathetic roach he is.
We already had politics Star Wars. And it was much better than Andor could ever hope to be.
>>217189445>A 10 episode series doesn't have the pitch perfect pacing a of cinematic film from the seventies by a completely different director REEEEEEEEEEEESeriously?
>>217189537>pretending to be retardedAndor's pacing is shit by the standard of its very medium.
>>217189531Andor fans dont want politics they want long drawn out scenes of boring white people whispering how evil they're in dimly lit rooms.
>>217182425>Same type that hate anything fun and cool because it's not "realistic" or "accurate".Real quick, what are your honest thoughts on the sequels? Do you think their le epic shonentard-tier setpieces are enough to excuse the abysmal dogshit writing?
>>217189445>operatic magnificence of Revenge of the Sith, or the mystery of A Phantom Menace.Kek. I love prequelfags.
>>217189585>Nooo you're the retarded one for not needing constant stimulationI remember being like you, and completely unappreciative of films by Francis ford Coppola because I thought every film about the mafia should be like Mobsters with Christian Slater.Come back when you are 30 years or older anon.
>>217188940Lucas was already starting to pivot his space action-adventure mythology series into irl political autism by the time of the PT. He could be inconsistent with his original vision, and in fact he was to a certain extent. That doesn’t mean that his original vision was for Star Wars to be anything besides a heroic epic set in a fantasy universe that just happened to have lasers instead of crossbows and gigantic death rays instead of dragons.
>>217189445>or the mystery of A Phantom MenaceI love the prequels too but let's not get ahead of ourselves. If any of them had a proper mystery aspect it was attack of the clones.
>>217189605>He thinks inner special branch politics make the characters boringFiltered by your own poor childish taste
>>217189445> the mystery of A Phantom MenaceWhat mystery?
>>217189680I like Coppola. Literally just watched Megadoc. But you're right that I don't care for the Goonfather.
>>217189605>whispering how evil they're in dimly lit roomsThe rooms were pretty well lit.
>>217189723"What the fuck was Lucas thinking?"
>>217189725I thought Godfather was boring slop until I reached the age of 40 and finally rewatched it because nothing else interesting was onSuddenly I understood that it was more realistic by that standard and appreciate not every film has to have the same pacing and driven action as Starship troopers or Robocop
>>217189696The whole movie has an air of mystery. It's no secret Lucas sacrificed shot composition to achieve a more documentary-like feeling, greatly adding to the strangeness of the new setting.
>>217189764I really just don't care about oldschool Italian mobsters. Also, The Godfather hasn't aged all that well filmmaking-wise.
>>217179557No it isn’t. It’s woke as fuck, I don’t know why people act like it’s any better than any of this gay shit.
>>217189348You replying is you caring faggot concession accepted
>>217189892>The Godfather hasn't aged all that well filmmaking-wise.Alright that's fucking itGet in the fucking trunk
>>217189680>Come back when you are 30 years or older anon.This here is the whole problem today with not just Star Wars but a whole range of other franchises. They're really meant to be aimed at new generations of teenage boys. That's why a lot of them (used to) have video game tie-ins, etc. Any new stories, changes or reinvention should be done solely with that audience in mind. I don't think it a coincidence that as soon as these franchises were hijacked by other groups they all fell off creatively and financially without exception
>>217190186>comically punches the air in front of you>expects you to react as though his fist actually connected Scary shit.
>>217190234>They're really meant to be aimed at new generations of teenage boysHow is Andor, aimed at teenage boys?No please, by all means, explain how just because Disney owns it, it was aimed at teenage boys when it has a bunch of 40-60 year old actors, pushing 40-60 year old ideas?Next, explain the Acolyte, how is murdering some Jedi masters, threatening innocent lives and being a hoodrat level tier of violent felon "aimed" at teenagers?Because their was no blood?Old SW was aimed at teenagersThe prequels were aimed at young adultsThe sequels were aimed at older zoomers, you pretending anything but the CGI kids shows were aimed at kids is pure retardationThat's like implying that because Castlevania, the game was aimed at Vidya kids means that Castlevania, the series was aimed at kids(buttsex with chink sos and bro threesomes too!)Gtfoh>>217190235>Can't handle satirical shit posting on a fringe site You must be European or under 18
>>217190370>Can't handle satirical shit posting on a fringe site
>>217189170Toxic individualism, like a typical school shooter.
>>217189680The godfather movies are fucking retarded the mafia saying no to hard drugs is dumb and will forever be dumb.
>>217190437You really think me posting Finnbar and saying "get in the fucking trunk" was keyboard warrioring?Now I'm no longer convinced you are even white.
>>217190479>Noooo you have to poison the locals and give the feds a narrative excuse to absolutely turn the entire community of what is a majority Christian group against youNot only a retard, but a degenerate piece of shit honorary nigger
>>217190481I was referring to Goonfather's realism, but Neeson's action slop streak fight choreography fits it well too, I guess. Whatever you made of it ain't it, buddy.
>>217190555Not your buddy Pal
>Cyril subplot went nowhere>Lesbian subplot went nowhere>Mon mothra subplot went nowhere, we already know she gives the speech and becomes the resistant leader, why even give her a family if they disappear from the story, her character also felt way too naive >Saw subplot went nowhere>Luthen subplot went nowhere Half the cast dies randomly or dissapear from the story.
>>217190568>But I did have breakfast this morning:the post
>>217190530they sold boozethey sold ciggeratesthey had gamberling ringsthey traficked women into prostitutionthey killed rivialsHollywood really romantised these repugnant trash
>>217190597stop shitting up the thread your trolling sucks.
>>217190599>Nooo why can't you just ruin families with even worse habits that are illegal reeeeI am sensing a "those were just fishermen with multiple high end boats" vibes hereSeriously, kill yourself
>>217190597you vaporized him
>>217190619Make a real point then nigger, your personal gripe at shows not having enough gay shit isn't an argument
>>217190568in real life plots "go nowhere" too, there's a reason why higher quality shows have side plots that sometimes just end, its because its more realistic and groundede.g. succession has a lot of this tooalthough I agree that some of these were a bit much
>>217190567Yeah, I wouldn't want you to be my buddy. All this performative racial talk and overcompensating for insecure masculinity makes it real obvious you're some repressed old guy with nothing going on.
>>217190653>>217190628same fags please stop, I dont want to rape my little sister in anger. This is your final warning.
>>217190654this isn't real life, it's star wars dumb nigga
>>217190654>in real life plots "go nowhere" tooWrong.
>>217190661>wouldn't want you to be my buddyBut you called me buddyReconciliate this
>>217190678>Two different responses to two different posts>Reee you are same fagging
>>217190784I lied.
>>217190654why would I want my fantasy action-adventure flash gordon serials to be realistic
>>217190852>I am only pretending to be retardedI no longer believe youBut thanks for admitting you are deceitful, saved me a lot of responses to discredit you.So there is that...
>>217190904Have a pity (You).
>>217189659>Do you think their le epic shonentard-tier setpieces are enough to excuse the abysmal dogshit writing?No.
>>217189605those scenes are fucking peak though anonalso what the other guy said, they're WELL LIT rooms.
>>217191036Enjoy getting absolutely destroyed I. Future threads you tranny faggothttps://youtu.be/_qyPBjZOHWk?si=uZfeo4z4zAbwTXOb
>>217190568Where's my arc T
>>217189742Those dialogs were top notch
>>217180480I really don't understand how people have this take.>This setting has a fantastical concept so you can't do this type of story in it! It's just retarded and anti creativity.
>>217179557fpbp
Andor needed more aliens. The communist manifesto guy should have been a weird little puppet.
I liked the show. I think care what autists say.
The funny thing is that Disney knows it earned a ton of good will back with Andor but will never do it again because Filoni agrees with OP.
>meticulously take notes from Plinkett>end result is the Sequels>get random asshole who openly says he isn't a Star Wars fan and wanted to do his own thing>end result is Andor kinoThe best part is knowing this argument is pointless because everyone who tells me I'm wrong had been Disney's target audience for 11 years now and it isn't fucking working.
>>217182702I'm an andorchad and I like force unleashedThe ENTIRETY of the EU is shit though (yes, even blue keikaku man and luke's donut steel grilfriend), so are the sequels and about 75% of filoni's stuff.Prequels are messy but they are overhated
>>217193277what's the good 25% of filoni?
>>217193277Nah, KOTOR is better than even the OT.You are objectively correct about Andor though.
>>217193331A handful of moments from otherwise terrible shows where it steals from the EU Filoni overroad.
>>217193331Clone episodes, anakin and obi wan being bros and ahsoka fanservice
>>217193275the solution is to get people who hate star wars to make star wars
>>217193331>>217193379also directed some episodes of avatar: the last airbender
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>>217179402>>217179557I resisted watching andor specifically due to it being a Star Wars product.Turns out it was actually quite good, a few hours too long for each season I think.The persistent mustard yellow and orange color scheme became very irritating.Was this a galaxy wide fashion? How could 80%+ of all the characters and extras as well as the buildings in the cities they live in across multiple different planets all wear the same color scheme?
