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>>218099358>cannibal>b tierthat dragon had the Targs seething for decades if not centuries because he kept eating dragon eggs and hatchlings, but they still didn't have the balls to try and kill him. And not a single dragonseed or Targ had the balls to even attempt claiming him, despite being the largest available dragon after Vermithorplus he managed to survive the Dance and nobody ever found his body. he's mysterymaxxing>nobody knows his origins, smallfolk claim he was there before the Targs. Would make him the oldest dragon ever recorded>eats targ dragons for fun>refuses a rider>refuses to follow behavior conventions that every other dragon follows>refuses to elaborate>leavesthe ONLY dragon that wasn't a slave
Most beautiful Targ
>>218101829kek
>did it ever occur to you that I might have something to say?>okay, what would you do>I don't know!what the FUCK was her problem
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>>218101904>the realm.................ACK!what did he mean by this
i really like this parry into an armbar dunk does, i know he isn't the most skilled but still
don't let hotdoodoo win
>>218101867He did this to the Targs too kek
>>218101990Gods, she's made for breeding
>>218101985it's decent but Aerion still out matched him in almost every exchange
>>218101923Nice, is there one for Daena?
>>218101919over-exuberance that annoys the fuck out of everyone is a classic baratheon trait
>>218101985I like the slap.
>>218101946bad writing
>>218101867>maekar, take your mace and bash your brothers skull in
Stop bumping two threads ya shitheads
>>218101887>nobody ever found his bodyCould it be the carcass that Dany sees in the desert in ACOK?Or maybe he's still alive somewhere. Maybe he fucked off to Valyria to kill more stuff because there were no dragons left on the menu in westeros
>>218102034Only the original art from the same series, no one slopped Daena's portrait yet so you'd have to do it yourself and try out prompts to make her look 3D.
>>218102097>He doesn't knowCannibal is in Skagos where Rickon will find and tame him.
>>218102120I know that's a common theory but there isn't any evidence that he is on Skagos.How would a Stark tame a dragon?
>>218102060Lord Lyonel is definitely gay.
>>218101919>are you ok man?
>>218102102Daemon's mom was peak targ sexo
>>218101919I love how there's a ton of subtle shit that shows that the targshit dynasty is collapsing in real time and no-one has any respect for them, imagine saying this to tywin kek
how much did Baelor's death change the trajectory of ASOIAF
>>218102149Why wouldn't a Stark be able to tame a dragon? You don't actually believe targshit propaganda about them being the only people able to do so do you?
>>218101990I kill the Targ fucking shits for she.
>you want to become an academic? you must never touch PUSSY>you want to become a bodyguard for the king? you must never touch PUSSY>you want to become a border guard in the north? you must never touch PUSSYholy shit why is everything in george's world like this
>>218102216yeah it's neat, but to be fair they are comrades about to go into a fight so
I really wish chuddies on twitter hadn't found this and made this a culture thing because HBO kikes are now going to jew season 2 beyond all imagination out of spite
>>218102216the entire backdrop of the show is that political current>heir to the throne attending a tourney in bum-fuck nowhere to show the common folk he cares>his retard nephew almost causes a riot and snaps some girl's fingers so he has to fight for ser duncan as a PR exercise
>>218102277and dies tanking any chance of a steady targaryen recovery
>>218102220this but actually
>>218102216In universe people start blaming bloodraven for the most outrageous shit in line with the dinasty collapsing kek.
>>218102236>holy shit why is everything in george's world like thisHe never touched pussy. Thus he idolizes it and thinks not touching it is the worst possible punishment/sacrifice a man can make.
>>218102052sounds like a perfect representation of a woman
When exactly is HotD supposed to end? Is it immediately after Aegon II's death?
>>218102236Pussy is the ultimate tentation thus men who can resist their urges have the discipline required to do those tasks
>>218102060CUTE AND CANON
>>218102325fuckin slopraven the bloody bitch basterd son of a whore
how does targshit line of succession actually work? why does the throne sometimes go to brothers of kings instead of their children first?
>>218102377probably another time jump, the more i think about it the less it makes sense to end this show after the dance
>>218102395>t. Bitterslop
although i've never read the books, i've learned through videos and wikis that the world of a song of ice and fire has other "magical" creatures like "wyverns" or "fireworms"while watching got and hotd i don't remember it being implied.why does westeros seem to vanilla compared to other places? and why do dragons seem like such a foreign concept if other continents have dragon equivalent creatures that seemingly still exist in GOT's time period
>>218102387>we need the best men>let's get a bunch of people that are happy to never fuckthose won't be your best menthe anon above is probably right though, it's due to george being a virgin sperg, for a man of medieval history he should surely no that no institution did this historically other than the catholic church
>>218102399>Welcome to Targaryen succession, where the points don't matter and the rules are made up
>>218102431And that was only in 1139, meaning that for most of the medieval period they could in fact marry which makes sense as Orthodox priests can still marry.
>>218102430>the world of a song of ice and fire has other "magical" creatures like "wyverns" or "fireworms"Wyverns are just surviving dinosaurs. Wyrms are aberrant abominations that parasitize their hosts. >while watching got and hotd i don't remember it being implied.Daemon's dragon points to wyrms.
>>218102481Does that mean you can wyrm other animals? A fire breathing horse
>>218102508Xenomorph logic probably yes. The wyrms inside that poor princess had "faces and hands and horrible voices". They take on the qualities of their host. This is likely why the blood mages were so formidable. They could create all sorts of hybrids.
>>218102508The Valyrians probably had to experiment a lot to get the whole dragon thing right. Creating countless horrible chimeras.Short answer: Maybe yes
>>218102525>>218102566I wonder if that means you could stuff them into suits of armour, or into a stone, or wood, golem
>>218102149>isn't any evidence he's on skagos>island known for cannibals>volcanic island with dragonglass, just like dragonstone>sakgos means stone in Old Tongue- ties into waking dragons from stone>cannibal's body and eye color match Shaggydog>isolated location makes it one of the only possible locations a dragon could live and people not find out>Davos currently headed there, the guy who said he doesn't want to be around if dragons do wake from stoneprobably won't happen but GRRM gave himself the option
>>218102277>a tourney in bum-fuck nowhereHalf the nobility are there, the roll of attendees read like a who's who of Westeros.There are Lannisters, Tyrrells, Tullys, Baratheons Hightowers, Florents, Dondarrions, Blackwoods, Brackens, Tarlys, Tarths, Cargylls, Marbrands, Rowans, and the moon boys too for all I know in attendance.It's the fucking social event of the season.
>>218102430Westeros has/had giants and Children of the Forest. They also have ice age creatures. Most of these have been killed off, but I don't think there are any firewyrms etc. around either.
>>218102399Male Only PrimogenitureIt wentAegon I>Son Aenys I>Brother Maegor I>Nephew Jaehaerys I>Son Viserys I>Son Aegon II>Nephew Aegon III>Son Daeron I>Son Baelor I>Uncle Viserys II>Son Aegon IV>Son Daeron II>Son Aerys I>Son Maekar I>Son Aegon V>Son Jaehaerys II>Son Aerys IISome people got skipped in succession like Aerion Brightflame's son because nobody like his dad.
>jon while absurdly drunk and butthurt says he wants to join the Watch to benjen>benjen snitches to Luwin>catelyn demands Jon leave Winterfell, after guilt tripping Ned into being Hand>Luwin then tells Ned, acting like Jon desperately wants to join>Ned decides to give Jon no choice but to go to the Wall, leaves him in ignorance like a cow before slaughterre-reading this and it's absurd how hard Jon got fucked, really makes Ned and Benjen look bad, especially if Benjen knew about Jon's parents. Jon got fucking shanghai'd into joining the Night's Watch, Ned was probably relieved he wouldn't have to worry about having to explain why one of Jon's kids popped out with silver hair or purple eyes
>>218102761Holy fuck this is outdated as shit
>>218102789>especially if Benjen knew about Jon's parentshe didnt, only that frogman knew
>>218102761>Male Only PrimogenitureAelora was heir before committing suicide.
>>218101829which house is the easiest to chill with, which one is the hardest? Its like all them are disposed to cut off your toungue for saying the "wrong words" around them.
All that talk about Preston lately has reminded me about the other asoiaf youtubers. There used to be a lot of them. I know Alt is still around and does funny videos together with Glidus on some pay-walled site. But what about the others? Is the Greenhand couple still around or are they finally divorced? Has Lightbringer been hospitalized for schizophrenia yet?
>Dunk, you've been stabbed ninety times. Don't worry, I'm going to heal you by pouring boiling oil on your wounds. Also I'm going to hit you with a hammer and set you on firet-thanks pate
Now the question is should i read the comics? no chance in hell i read the booksOr do i just wait
>>218102834wineoil will kill him
>>218102827>I know Alt is still around and does funny videos together with Glidus on some pay-walled site.Dunk Time playlisthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDJ9Mcc9MQA&list=PLwT1VTv9kS_YPyT11kdRnS2Ne5iUw_izY
>>218102888I just realized Baelor is aura-farming with Dark Sister in hand. Did uncle Bloodraven lend it too him?
>>218102789was benjen a wizard? how did he survive everything?
>>218102399I don't know if Grrm has officially stated it anywhere yet, but apparently valyrian tradition is for a king to designate his heir out of his immediate family, while westerosi tradition is male primogenitur. This is one factor that leads to disputed succesions.Meanwhile Dorn has gender-equal primogenitur. That's why from their pov Myrcella comes before Tommen.
>>218102789What the fuck was Luwin's angle?Was he born a Tully of Scuttlecreek?
>>218102857Wait until GRRM finishes writing the remaining 6 novels, then read the entire saga.The Hedge Knight (Released)The Sworn Sword (Released)The Mystery Knight (Released)The She-Wolves of Winterfell (Upcoming)The Village Hero (Upcoming)The Sellsword (Upcoming)The Champion (Upcoming)The Kingsguard (Upcoming)The Lord Commander (Upcoming)
>>218102951>wait until GRRM finishes writinglmao even
>>218102951And they're all walled off because he says he has to finish Winds first before anything else gets done.
>>218102690People like tourneys. Very few Lords paramount bothered to show up even if their brats came to joust. Also almost nobody outside of Riverlands, the Reach and the Stormlands.
>>218102808Benjen was closest to Lyanna and he joined the Watch almost instantly after the war, despite House Stark being close to extinct(literally just Ned and 2 infants in a world where infants die all the time). There have always been theories that knew what Lyanna intended to do but didn't tell Rickard, so he joined the Watch as self-punishment. Because in any other scenario Ned is marrying Benjen off ASAP and telling him to put as many Starks as possible in his wife
>>218102399>how does targshit line of succession actually work?Vibes
>>218102399>why does the throne sometimes go to brothers of kings instead of their children first?This almost never happens outside of extreme circumstances where they're skipping over someone who's just mentally unfit to rule or something, or when things are so unclear that they need to call a council to settle things.
>>218102944>oy vey, the bastard desperately wants to join the Watch Lord Stark. Trust me, I'm your greatest allyjust standard grey rat behavior
>>218102897It's so funny how Alt is usually this serious, matter-of-fact guy who does dry narrations. But when Schwift hangs out with Glimbus he becomes that silly guy and they fuck around, with profanities and all. They do have great insights though.
>>218101887I like the theory that he’s a different, Westorsi-native species of dragon that hunts the Valyrian breeds as prey.>>218102626I feel like there would still be rumours coming out of Skagos, they do occasionally trade with eastwatch-by-the-sea IIRC. It would be a really cool curveball to include in WoW though.
>>218101990man, I love buccal fat
>>218102951The last book title and GRRM revealing Dunk lives seems to spoil that he ends up joining The Night's Watch
It's interesting how all the squabbles over who should rule (muh sword, muh crown, muh not a foid) and I don't think there were any squabbles over the person with the biggest and baddest dragon taking over
>>218102814Aerys might have thought that but it wasn’t gonna happen
>>218103149Take it up with George.
>>218102808>he didnt, only that frogman knewBenjen absolutely knew.
>>218101990mmm
>>218102951>six novellasyeah fuckin right nigga
>>218102789Leaving Jon with Cat in Winterfell without him around was probably a worse fate
>>218103083>I feel like there would still be rumours coming out of Skagos, they do occasionally trade with eastwatch-by-the-sea IIRCcould be in hibernation or something, even if he is eating their unicorns and shit I doubt anybody would believe the supposed cannibals or risk visiting to confirmI want him to appear, but it for most people it would feel like an asspull to reveal some giant dragon only briefly mentioned in side books. Biggest possibility would be his corpse is there and the White Walkers raise it to burn down the Wall. Would somewhat explain where D&D got the idea. Jon or Rickon ending up with him would just break the story, there's no outcome where it doesn't become the Starks curb stomping everybody>>218102431it's well established that members of all of those organizations fuck, mole town has a brothel exclusively for the Watch. The Martell kingsguard had a mistress. Basically as long as you aren't openly breaking your vows and neglecting your duties it's fine
>>218102951>Wait until GRRM finishes writing the remaining 6 novelsanon...
>>218101867>gets team wiped by a bunch of nerds
Might start Aemondmaxxing
>>218103117>joining the fag's watchfucking whyhow about "ser duncan plaps lady ashford and has 3 children, one of which he names Aegon, they live happily ever after, the end"
>>218102951shhhh... just let it happen
>>218102018>>218102235>>218103090>>218103184Fucking YIKES. P3dos in my heccin GOT threaderino??? Let’s unpack this
>>218102236this reminds me- why is there no predatory sodomy in the GRRM universegays exist but an institution like the night's watch would just be endless prison sex surely
>>218103203Ned should have sent her ass to Riverrun for even attempting to give him an order about who is allowed in his own castle. But even ignoring that, Ned could have>sent him to Royce or Manderly as a squire>given him some gold to tour the free cities for a few months>had him join him in KL as a household guard>reached out to literally any lord in the North who would have gladly fostered himLuwin is a fucking clown breaking his own oath by not advising Ned to use Jon to benefit the Starks as much as possible. The actual best use for him would have been legitimizing him and effectively taking over White Harbor for the Starks by marrying him to the female Manderly heir
>>218103257Because he probably just murdered the king and his decades long friend and he now feels overwhelming guilt
>>218103286you have to pay the iron price
>>218102951>Wait until GRRM finishes writing the remaining 6 novelsAlright, wait a sec, putting my soul in a phylactery to ensure its permanence in the mortal world, be right back
HahahaGREENFUCKINGBOYS
>>218103277The actress is postpubescent though meaning she's physically fully developed which is the exact opposite of a paedophile is interested in
I haven't watched the latest episode- I assume /ourguy/ Beesbury comes out victorious?
>>218103324*barfs*
>>218103286>gays exist but an institution like the night's watch would just be endless prison sex surelythere's a brothel within walking distance and rangers fuck women from the friendly wildling tribes all the time
>>218103117>The last book title and GRRM revealing Dunk lives seems to spoil that he ends up joining The Night's WatchKingsguard have a Lord Commander too and Dunc is known to have been one.
>>218103324*dies*
>>218102236There are more PENISES displayed in his books and shows than any other sexual organ. PENIS is the core of GOT. You cannot have the GOT universe without FAT GIRTHY PENIS.
>>218103334Technically he did.
>>218103334One way or another the bees always win
>>218103316You might also want to do the same with his soul
>>218101887he wasn't of targaryen stock, but of some other pre-doom valyrian family. they couldn't claim him if they tried
>>218103286>>218103313Po’ lil Maestar, in an Ironborn hood
>>218103334spiritually and in the eyes of the gods, he won. He's pollinating flowers in the 7 heavens now
>>218103332>ACKSHUALLY WE’RE HEBEPHILES AND SHES A 3,000 YR OLD WITCH AND DONT CHECK MY HARDDRIVELmao sure thing bro
>>218103302There's pretty strong cultural respect for the Watch in the North even if they've fallen on rough times and have to deal with cadets who are largely criminals. Even if most people don't believe in the others, northmen have to deal with wildlings all the time and understand the importance of having good men there. A Stark bastard had a good chance of being in leadership in good time.Sending Jon there also ensures he can't be used in a power struggle for the Throne if his identity somehow comes out. There are a lot of good reasons to send him there even if it's damning him to a pretty bleak life.
>>218101904>i need good menhe was gay, baelor breakspear?
>>218103395It's not even hebephilia you fucking spastic, postpubescent means you're fully physical developed same as someone in their 30s or 50s or 80s
>>218103286>predatory sodomyOff the top of my head:>A captured maester complains to Victarion that the rest of the crew 'dragged him below deck and used him like a woman'.>Littlefinger implies that he keeps Lyn Corbray loyal by supplying him with gold and 'boys', whatever that means.>A septon in the Brave Companions that is heavily implied to rape boys.>Implied that Euron sexually abused his brothers.
How does Dunk become friends and allies with the two single most important houses in westeros?Beesbury for delicious honey that everyone lovesNew Barrel Fossoways for delicious cider that everyone lovesHow did he do it bros
>>218102026>uses war lances instead of tourney one like dunc>best armor money can buy>best horse money can buy>best training money can buy>still gets shit wrecked He didn’t win in any exchange when dunc just shrugged them all off
>>218103455he's too sweeet
So is the show implication that Dunk literally did die? That the seven revive him in that moment because he's truly innocent?
>>218103455retardmaxxingif you're a retard then it's impossible for you to have any ulterior or hidden motive or agenda because you're too retarded, so people will instinctively trust you
>>218103395lol what the fuck why are you so well informed on philias my guy?
>>218102430>why does westeros seem to vanilla compared to other places?all ASOIAF lore is written from the perspective of in universe historians so there's a lot of hearsay and unverifiable tall tales mixed in with the truth. Westerosi understanding of the lands beyond the Free Cities is about as reliable as 14th century Europeans' understanding of Asia and Subsaharan Africa
>>218103410>Sending Jon there also ensures he can't be used in a power struggle for the Throne if his identity somehow comes out.Cersei is plotting to kill Jon in Dance, at best you could claim it was Ned being naive that made him think Jon would be safe because he made some vows if the truth came out>There's pretty strong cultural respect for the Watch in the North even if they've fallen on rough timesthe issue here is that Jon straight up says in his POV that Tyrion was the only one who told him what the Watch actually was, Ned and Benjen basically gaslit him into it. He's raised to be almost as delusional as Sansa. And as soon as Jon gets to the Wall benjen starts treating him like dogshit>A Stark bastard had a good chance of being in leadership in good timea stark bastard has a good chance of leadership anywhere, we see bastards who are much lower being put in important positions. Ned was going to be Hand of the King, a ton of people would have taken Jon in just to kiss Ned's assit comes off as Ned being relieved at having a chance to get rid of Jon, without ever even telling him who his mother is. Even if none of the chaos in the South happens, there's a strong chance Jon dies before ever seeing Ned again. Royce's son dies months after joining, there's a king beyond the wall, and a brutal winter is on the way. Jon's life expectancy at the Wall is a few years at most
>>218102430>while watching got and hotd i don't remember it being implied.While asoiaf is a very low magic setting, the show completely gutted magic out of the main seriesFrom Euron, to Lady Stoneheart and the Starks being wargs, a LOT og magic stuff was cut by dnd
>>218102888>>218102922wait is that actually dark sister??? if so then maekar was right to go all out, mf brought valyrian steel to a fight
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>>218103617look at the pussy swipes baelor was taking vs how hard maekar was swinging his mace
>>218101985Love how all of Dunk's fights in the book devolve into jut beating the shit out of the other guy with his fists. Can't wait to see him and Lucas :Longinch slug it out
what was (show) Varys' endgame
>>218103693Show? Actually serving the realmBook? He was part of the blackfyre conspiracy
>>218103334The scent of the Meadow had changed. It no longer smelled of nectar and clover; it smelled of distress pheromones and the sharp, metallic tang of ichor.Humfrey pulsed his wings, a low, rhythmic thrumming that echoed the thousands of others surrounding the fallen royal. Baelor, their golden-crested Queen, lay shivering. The blow from Maekar’s mace hadn't just cracked a shell; it had compromised the sanctity of the hive's future. To the workers, a wounded Queen is a dying hive.The Thermal Death PointThe instinct took over—a cold, biological imperative disguised as a frantic sort of love. Humfrey was the first to land, his mandibles clicking in a grief-stricken frenzy.The Descent: Humfrey vibrated his thoracic muscles, generating a searing internal heat. He climbed onto Baelor’s trembling abdomen.The Cluster: Dozens, then hundreds of other Beesburys followed, piling onto the Prince in a living, vibrating mound of black and gold. The Heat: They weren't stinging. Stinging was for external enemies. This was balling—an embrace that suffocated and scorched."You are broken, My Queen," the vibration of Humfrey’s wings seemed to hum against Baelor’s cooling chitin. "We cannot let the rot spread. We must burn the weakness away."Inside the center of the ball, the temperature rose toward the lethal limit. Baelor, the Breakspear, struggled feebly beneath the weight of his own most loyal subjects. He was the sun of their world, and now, they were becoming a sun to consume him.Humfrey pressed his thorax harder against the Prince's flank. He felt the Queen’s heart-pulse slow as the oxygen vanished, replaced by the sweltering, frantic heat of a thousand brothers. It was a funeral pyre made of living bodies.As the Prince’s last breath escaped in a puff of golden vapor, Humfrey didn't fly away. He remained in the cluster, shivering in the ruins of his own devotion, waiting for a new Queen to rise from the royal jelly of the fallen.
>>218103693The show version? I thought it was genuinely peace.The book version? We don't know
>>218103564>Cersei is plotting to kill Jon in DanceNed had no idea the kingdoms were about to go nuclear. When he made this decision, Westeros was relatively stable, his best friend was the king, and the last thing Ned wanted was for Jon to get caught up in power politics at all.If people somehow put it together who Jon actually is, (and let's be real, it's insane that NOBODY seems to even suspect the truth despite Rhaegar "raping" Lyanna being a well known fact of what instigated the rebellion) not only would Jon be in danger but Robert could conceivably do much worse to Ned and his family for harboring a secret Targ for years. Putting him in the watch makes him unable to inherit or be involved in power politics (Aemon is there for almost identical reasons) which solves a lot of potential problems. Ned was definitely not thinking about the possibility that an absolute nut like Cersei might soon be in a position and willing to completely disregard law and tradition and still try to kill him there.
dragon dreams are the fire/blood magic version of the green dreamsinstead of connecting to the weirwood network they're pulling on the dragon gestalt consciousness its why all their dreams end up tied to dragons or replacing targs with dragons
>>218103719>We don't knowAnon he literally told kevan he was supporting the mummer dragon
>>218103633>>218103617>>218102922>>218102888i don't think it's Dark Sister but Bloodraven would let Baelor have it if Daeron II ordered it, if it is Dark Sister i guess Bloodraven gets it back
>>218102857the books (novellas really) are hella short and readable
>>218103693>remove fAegon so none of his actions make sense going back to Aerys reign>he's actually just a good guy who wants what's best for the people(ignore him talking to Ilyrio in season 1 and his actions propping up the Lannisters)>ignore the fact that him selling Dany to Drogo makes no sense if he was a Targ loyalist>decide you still want him to betray Dany and probably die by dragonfire like he would in the books>turn him into a retard to make it happenhurr durr no cock, but apparently we are supposed to think he just cares about the smallfolk and ignore the fact he could have freed Ned and prevented the entire war at any time
>>218103743He knew the readers were watching so had to throw them off with misdirection
>>218103782fucking spider
>>218103693Show Varys motives don’t really make sense. It fully seems like he wants a peaceful, stable realm but his plan is to support the teenage girl with WMDs who will have to topple the realm. And things have been pretty good with Bobby B
>>218103489>>218103444>just more “ACKSHUALLY” nonsenseYou p3do cowards are pathetic. Cope more then kys
>>218103693Idk what Varys was thinking by the end of the show.Book-version of Varys though may very well be the support of Young Griff, aka Aegon Blackfyre. There's a reason why his head is hairless, and it's not due to alopecia.
>>218103821>Idk what Varys was thinking by the end of the show.tbf none of us knew what we were thinking by the end of the show
>reshootsWHAT?
>>218103855Imagine if S3 is so bad even HBO told them to do reshoots.
>>218103855dunk and egg got them shaking
>>218101829Just watched episodes 3 and 4 with my grandfather. He's even more obsessed with ASOIAF than I am and says that Dunk so far is great and even better than the early GOT seasons. It's really funny to see a 70 year old grouch talk like a gleeful excited child about a tv show.
>>218103817You're mentally retarded and a net negative to society, kill yourself
>>218102252They're going to turn Rohanne into a fucking nigger, I just know it. >erm ackshually, there's nothing in the books that says Cersei, Jaime, and Tyrion AREN'T a quarter black - some retard on twitter probably
>>218103821>>218103743Was he a Blackfyre supporter from the start? He's foreign so silver hair isn't unusual for themAnd did he purposefully try to get hired by Aerys? Like what was the plan there as he then also advised against opening the gates to Tywin? Surely he'd support the instability
>>218103855They realized they needed more dock scenes.
rhaegar was courting the remaining blackfyreshad he succeeded in couping his father as was obviously the plan before he got prophecy autism over lyanna he would have welcomed them back into the foldvarys or maybe ilyrio mentions in regards to having supported dany/viserys that even he had debts of affection to payhe was giving them some token support out of obligation for the support rhaegar had offered before dyingof course hes still going to support his blackfyre claimant over the targ one in the end though
>>218103889>getting mad about something that not only didn't happen, but is known to not be happeningShe's cast and she's a white actress. Please fuck off with your preemptive culture war victim screeching.
>>218103731>not only would Jon be in danger but Robert could conceivably do much worse to Ned and his family for harboring a secret Targ for yearsthat's my problem with it, he's basically guaranteed Jon will die young at the Wall and even if he lives it's a shit life. So it comes off as him trying to loophole his way out of his promise to Lyanna and protecting himself from Robert being pissed. But the lie has held for years at this point, so who gives a shit? Raising your orphaned nephew isn't treason and Robert doesn't even order Dany and Viserys to be assassinated until they try to get a dothraki armyNed comes off as a dirtbag who raised Jon to think he had no option in life but the Wall
>>218103855Yikes
>>218103343Yeah, that's the "twist" probably.
>>218103821I'm over the blackfyre thing. I think it would be a much better subversion if Young Griff wasn't even a Targ or of any other noble house and actually just a boy Varys and Illiryio raised to be the perfect king.
>>218103855they have to remove all the dumb allicent and Rhaeynra lesbo shit, I said the other day that there's no way HBO can seriously let that shit into the show
>>218103855>HBO have scrambled to include a new character into all episodes. The character is described as a 'generic, white, heroic male' according to insiders, which has required multiple reshoots. Meanwhile, CGI teams have been working around the clock to eliminate background non-white characters, and all black Targaryens are being hastily written out of the show.
>>218103477>the Lord of Light is real because a crazy red priestess gives birth to a shadow>the Old Gods are real because some trees have weird faces on them>the Seven are real because they chose to bring an innocent good man back to lifeconsidering the author who created Westeros is an atheist, this is an unusually Christian thing
>>218103889They've already cast her, she's being played by Lucy Boynton
>>218103941We'll never know. Young Griff will fall off his horse and break his neck ten pages into Winds of Winter. To make up for this, GRRM will introduce no less than thirty new characters, most of them from Dorne and the Iron Islands
>>218103731>it's insane that NOBODY seems to even suspect the truth despite Rhaegar "raping" Lyanna being a well known fact of what instigated the rebellion) IMO its because of Ned's well renowned honorwhy would Ned claim to have done such a dishonorable thing if he didn't actually do it?
>>218103970>most of them from Dorne and the Iron IslandsIs we must suffer more Dornetards for more Ironborn kino so be it.
>>218103972it's hardly dishonorable, it's actually incredibly honorable and something ned stark would obviously do
>>218103575>While asoiaf is a very low magic setting>ice elves>800 Feet Ice Wall spanning the breadth of a contintent>giants>giant spiders>zombies>a mad scientist necromancer>street performers using magic for their tricks>Red Priests using magical fires, conjuring shadows, and resurrecting people>fucking dragons>mind reading>glass candles allowing you to enter dreams>mind control magic>controlling animals>prophetic dreams>time travel>sentient trees>fae folkCould you please point to the "low" in "low fantasy" in this series?
>>218103334He gets a lot of lines.
>>218103912Rhaegar was 100% planning to pull an oldschool targ and marry a bunch of wives from all the kingdoms as part of his eugenics bloodline mixing autism.
>>218103908luv u father
>>218103994>>218103575Oh, I forgot:>illusion magic>magically changing ones appearance>alchemy>underwater races>magical swords that fucking glow>a castle floating on water and moving about>glamours>life prolonging magic>whatever the fuck powers does Howland Reed have
>>218103993>its incredibly honorable to be siring bastardsIts an honorable thing to try and raise your bastard well because his birth is not his sin, its yours. Its not honorable for him to have made the bastard in the first place."Why would Ned claim to have made a bastard if he didn't? Hes Ned's boy. Simple as." t. every brickheaded northerner someone might ask if they had some doubts and thought to ask around
>>218104002Oh but when Aegon the Unworthy did it everyone just thought he was a randy old bugger
sex with baelor
>HAHA GREEN FUCKING BOYS
>>218103963I don't think it's so much about George being contradictory, but more so that religion in theory is fucking cool when you include magic and make it so the gods genuinely do have some power
>>218102951>Wait until GRRM finishes writing
>>218103908These scenes were so boring, I didn't even realize that he was the guy from Raised by Wolves until the end of the season
>>218104034He should have tried not being fat and ugly. Rhaegar was born so fucking handsome every maid in the seven kingdoms wanted a ride on his dragon. Its hard to fault him for accepting.
>>218103908Wasted so many scenes over a season for>"Hi Bastard Son">"Hi m'lord">"Hi Bastard Son">"Hi m'lord">"Hi Bastard Son">"Hi m'lord">"Hi Bastard Son">"I hate you as my dad"
Just had this come to me>trial by combat with lyonel>they blow the horn to begin>lyonel drops his sword>dunk too>they just duke it out
>>218103117>>218103257>>218103343At least now we know who Coldhands is.
>>218104071kino
>>218104076does he do it out of guilt? does he get told to do it by bloodraven? Does egg tell him while hes dying and realizing he misunderstood his dragon dream?
>>218104071They'll just have a dance off instead
>>218103915>reeeeeeeeeeeeThere's no need to be upset.But thank fuck. Only started watching KotSK yesterday so haven't been following any of the production decisions. With how they turned the Velaryons black AND hollywood producer's weird hatred for redheads I wouldn't have been surprised.
>>218103334I love the show, but im still pissed of that we get bullshit like song about amputee whore or arlandong instead of Battle of Humfreys or "knight who remember his vows" scene.
>>218103893>Was he a Blackfyre supporter from the start?Maybe, or maybe not. That might depend whether or not Varys was himself Blackfyre descendant or not. And as you say, silver hair might have been a trait from another old ancestry of Old Valyria.>And did he purposefully try to get hired by Aerys?I believe so. His first objective was the fall of House Targaryen, and it is said (can't remember by which character) that Aerys only began to descend into madness after Varys was hired.As to why he advised against letting Tywin's host into the Capital, I suppose it was simply due to being an uncertain factor. If Tywin truly had stayed loyal to Aerys then the war would have further prolonged, thus weakening even more all parties involved, yet still Aerys would have been eventually dethroned. Tywin's sack of the city drastically hastened the war's end, and left the rebellious upstart in position to take the Iron Throne with the support that he still had.
>>218102951Realistically I think GRRM may truly write more Dunk & Egg. Why not? His big problem with writing ASOIAF was the fact that it's massively difficult to untangle all those many knots from each other in a coherent satisfying way. With Dunk & Egg novellas there's no such problem, they're self-contained adventures, and the future of Duncan and Aegon V is fairly straightforward and already has an ending. So if GRRM really put his mind to it, I'm sure he could write a few more - though I seriously doubt he'll write nine more lol more like three or four more.
>>218104071>>218104116if we ever do get their famous duel i'm sure they will have a throwback to their dance off
>>218104066>could have had Northern kino with Jace, Cregan, and Sara Snow>get endless dock scenes>Allicent swimming>what would you have me do>daemon tripping balls>Mysaria lesbian scenes>blacksmith's wifewhat the FUCK were they thinking?
>>218104076>>218104094I'd also like to point out that this theory has been around for a while, and was considered a retarded idea made up by people who have been waiting for a new book for too long.
>>218102329>>218102431fatman is married and probably gets more than most people here, he fucked shae's actress lol
>>218104193>he fucked shae's actress lolShe's a literal whore, so that's no achievement.
>>218104076Coldhand is Daemon.
>>218103893>>218104169He was a supporter since day one the fake dragon is related to illyrio
>>218104076>At least now we know who Coldhands is.Anon I think the books might mention it if Coldhands were 7 ft tall.
>>218104206When's the last time you fucked a porn actress?Point is he does get pussy
>>218104228Doesn't fit, since Daemon was never a member of the Night's Watch.>He joined them in secret.If he survived and did join, he'd have no reason to keep it a secret. Night's Watchmen can't hold any titles, so they're politically castrated and considered "safe.">>218104241I think an intelligent zombie riding an elk and being friends with fae folk is what takes up most attention.
>>218104169He probably thought Tywin was going to kill his ass but like you said everything fell in place for him after that.
the real solution to forcing GRRM to write is stealing all his money
>>218104261>I think an intelligent zombie riding an elk and being friends with fae folk is what takes up most attention.And they just forget to mention that he's as big as Hodor? Get the fuck out of here.
>>218104169varys didn't even do anything to drive aerys mad btw, he just told him the truth. The realm was no longer loyal to the targaryens. They really were all colluding against him. Even his own son.
OONCLE BENJE
>>218104248Porn actresses are high end escorts anon... anyone with money can fuck 'em
never forgetting, never forgiving
dunk = coldhands
>>218104285>And they just forget to mention that he's as big as Hodor?Yep, too busy with the whole "escaping zombies and eating human flesh while being escorted to a wizard by an intelligent zombie" part.
>>218104315>maester propaganda for the greensand then everybody clappedmushroom is the only reliable source of information on the Dance
>>218104169>>218104229It's been ages since I've read the books so bear with me llyrio is a Blackfyre and he and Varys become friends/colleagues and then scheme to somehow get Varys over to Kings Landing by becoming the biggest spook. That works and Varys wants to weaken Aerys but not have Rhaeger take competent control, in preparation for some sort of play by Ilyrio. That never comes about and the rebellion occurs and Ilyrio has fAegon who they decide to use after grooming instead of Ilyrio. He doesn't want Aerys toppled because he thinks it'll be easier to swap Aerys or one of his remaining kids out for a perfectly presented fAegon otherwise a change in dynasty will erode dragon legitimacyDoes that sound right-ish?
>>218104319his hands seem pretty warm dude
>>218104360isn't the theory always that illyrio's wife was the blackfyre?since the male line of blackfyres supposedly all died out
>>218104360Illyrios wife is a blackfyre and yes Varys was fucking with westeros all the time.>>218104375Yes.
>>218104375Oh yes, but then they schemed from the start to what, find a fem Blackfyre and breed with her? Or I guess more likely they already had/found her with all Varys snooping and then charmed or kidnapped her?
if Baelor survived and didn't have any sons then the crown would've fallen to Maekar as it did anyway so nothing would've really changed
>>218104351The worst offense of hotd is that they wrote Mushroom out of the story. Also fuck Peter Dinklage for pulling the ladder up behind himself
>>218104392I think his love for her was genuine. But it could have been the essos glowie team decided to purposefully seek out and support the blackfyres to go topple westeros.I'd always assumed ilyrio and varys started the whole plan because of his love for his wife though
>>218102223There hasn't been a single time in history where anyone not related to them tamed one.The real answer is Ned's kids all have targ blood through the Tullys because of House Whent.
>>218104421>Peter Dinklage prevented his fellow midges from infecting my kinothe most based thing he's ever done
>Rob murders all targshit babies>Rob lets himself live even though he's like 1/4 targhow was this fair
>>218104446>There hasn't been a single time in history where anyone not related to them tamed one.what about Nettles?
>>218104404if Baelor survived maybe more Targs would survive the Spring Sickness because they'd use boiling wine instead of boiling oil to treat it
>>218104446>There hasn't been a single time in history where anyone not related to them tamed one.Nettles
>>218104427Maybe, but would she be so desperate to keep bashing her head against the same wall for what the 6th time now? And if she did it's a bit bleh that her husbands loooooves her and is willing to support her delusions. The Blackfyre subplot just isn't really my cup of tea, like we're still at it
why did Bobbie B get the big chair anyway, they said it was sort of up in the air for a moment before he stepped updidn't they discuss it or something? I mean tywin was there, ned stark was there, wouldn't they consult the great houses?
>>218104404>if Baelor survived and didn't have any sonsHe has a son
>>218102951It would seem George has decided to dedicate the remainder of his life to inventing book titles than actually writing any actual books
>>218104471>>218104474Obviously HBO Targaryen considering her features
>>218104446>There hasn't been a single time in history where anyone not related to them tamed one.Your show may have erased Nettles, Condal but Asoiaffags remember.
>>218104485who dies anyway with no sons due to unrelated events
>>218104483He had the best story
>>218104421Awfully short ladder
>>218104469>drinks himself to death>bankrupts what is left of the Targaryen dynasty>hands over the kingdom to his wife's sonPeople thought he was a fool, but everything went according to Robert's keikaku. If only Ned had not fucked it all up.
>>218102857>no chance in hell i read the booksThe book that compiles the three short stories is only like 350 pages, and that's including several pages that are just illustrations. That's nearly half the length of AGoT. Read a book, you faggot
>>218104493HotD is not canon, GRRM himself said that the HotD series is not his story thus it should be considered fanfiction
>>218104494>The fags remember
>>218104471>>218104474>>218104494How do we know she's not a dragonseed
Varys = blackfyreIllyrio wife = blackfyreVarys and Illyrio figure out Vary's heritage, realize that if Varys hadn't been castrated they could have couped a whole kingdom. Think to themselves, whats stopping us from getting another blackfyre? Illyrio combs through pleasure houses to find a blackfyre woman. Marries her so that their child will be legitimate. Gives the kid to a westerosi and tells him its a targ because a westeros king can't be acting like an essosi fop. >>218104482I'm not of the opinion that Varys/Illyrio are doing the blackfyre just because of Serra but anon why wouldn't she want to claim what her family has lived and died for? She would be a princess if not for the targs, instead she was a whore in Essos. Knowing you're of royal blood but deprived of those privileges because of another is bound to produce generational seethe.
>>218104471Safe to say that the woman from bastard valyrian island had a drop of valyrian blood.
>>218104543>Varys and Illyrio figure out Vary's heritageI bet Varys ratted on Varys
>>218104493>Obviously HBO Targaryen considering her featuresShe doesn't exist in hotd though?In the book she is specifically the only named negro i think?
>>218104471>>218104474>>218104494>she is brown therefore she can't be a TargNot this shit again. Blonde hair and purple eyes are a red herring. The Strong princes could ride dragons too. Nettles is obviously the daughter of a Summer Islander whore who fucked with a Targ or Velaryion.
>>218104483Jon arryn was too oldNed didun wahn ehBobby personally killed the prince, had recent targ blood, was charismatic, and was stupid enough to accept it instead of forcing it onto someone else.
>>218104483Once you disinherit Rhaegar and Viserys, Robert really is next in line for the throne if you follow male-preference succession. He's Rhaegar's cousin and his grandmother was Aegon V's daughter. Ned doesn't have any similar blood claim, and he's a different religion to the southern kingdoms. Jon Arryn is an old man with no heirs (at the time of the Trident, he was the last surviving Arryn because his nephew was killed by Aerys and his cousin died in battle). Robert had the best claim, was a strong young man, and had already fathered one bastard, so he could clearly produce more heirs.
>>218104539>>218104550she was the only one who had to put a work to tame the dragon. Everyone else simply bonded or was barbecue'd
>>218104543>but anon why wouldn't she want to claim what her family has lived and died for?Sunk cost fallacy. The rebellions have got more and more comic with realistically nobody willing to support them while the costs would be large financially and in terms of your own life when instead you can be a wealthy magistar's wife. It's like the Jacobites, who they're clearly based off, still scrambling for the throne in the 19th century. Give it a rest already. And where's the bleeding sword?
>>218104577Not to mention that we see Daenerys' dragons react positively to a confirmed dragonseed with skin like low grit sandpaper.
>>218104446Brown Benn Plumm
>>218104617>um you could be gargling on some old rich guys nuts thats just like being a princess right?
>>218104601>Robert really is next in line for the throne if you follow male-preference successionHe could've passed the throne to Stannis or Renly
Nettles was an ordinary peasant girl with no Valyrian blood. Her managing to tame Sheepstealer is a signal that Targaryen exceptionalism is illusory
>>218104446>The real answer is Ned's kids all have targ blood through the Tullys because of House Whent.Source?
>>218103821The entire Fegon conspiracy feels stupid and his introduction like a pointless page filler. Young Griff was raised by Jon Con with the strong believe that he is Rhaegar's son including all the thirstposting Jon Con probably did - on the other hand I've never got the impression that he is particularly close to Illyrio. Where is the grand Blackfyre victory in making him king if he is going to reign as a Targaryen? And what are the chances that Aegon won't execute Varys should he find out that his entire identity is a lie spun by Varys?
>dunk team kills none>baelor was more like accident >kingsguard kills twoWhat the fuck was their problem?
>>218104638Well if he loved her I assume she had some affection for him, plus if they were already connected when he was still a bravo running scams with Varys when this all begin he'd still be a fit young man. And realistically there's no chance in her becoming a princess or even wielding enough power due to her own foid nature.
>>218102236"Love is the death of duty" so to keep man focused on their duty they forbid them love.
>shit ton of Targs during Jahaerys I's reign dying of sickness>shit ton of Targs during Daeron's reign dying of sicknesswhat happened to that ubermensch Targ constitution they kept yapping about?
>>218101985Dunk looks so much cooler than the Aerion despite having such minimal equipment.
>>218104681Just doing their job
Varys isn't a Targ or related to them at all (yeah, that includes Bl*ckfyres). He is just using Aegon and Ilyrio. Varys is trying to destroy all magic.
>>218104681It's called being a professional
>hard sparring today>didnt give up because I cant disappoint Ser Arlan of Pennytree
>>218104645Renly was 5 years old during the rebellion. Nobody's going to want a toddler king because that means a long regency during which greedy lords vie for power. And Stannis is Stannis, nobody likes him except Davos
>>218104648>he thinks there are dragonstone natives without valyrian blood
>>218104696Illiryio is the blackfyre ally
>>218101985I love Dunk's bear paw punch
>>218104404ouch, there really was no way to save him from that
>>218103963GRRM's atheism is overstated by people with brain poisoning who think any media without Narnia tier Christian allusions is demonic
>>218101829Did the redhead guy with the beard die? The one who liked Brienne? I don't remember what happened to that guy
>If dragons were nomadic, they would have overrun half of Essos, and the Doom would only have killed a few of them. Similarly, the dragons of Westeros seldom wander far from Dragonstone. Elsewise, after three hundred years, we would have dragons all over the realm and every noble house would have a few.>t. GRRMYou don't need valyrian blood to tame a dragon.
>>218104688They mixed their blood too much.
>>218104648cope
>>218104692because it looks historical instead of fantasy slop
>>218104692sometimes simple is more aesthetic, the level 2 starting armor
>>218104711Stannis is the one true King
>>218104721It's a clout in the ear
>>218104726didn't he say some autistic fedora shit to brandon sanderson?
Apparently in the 7K7 finale they spell out that Dunk wasn't really knighted, which was fairly controversial amongst the reviewer types who have seen it
>>218104714Initially? No. Centuries after the conquest? Yes.
>>218104743>t. Davos
>>218104695>>218104705They could have just been on defensive and protect. But no, they must choose attack and violence. Beesbury and that other guy would not really try to hurt royal blood.
>>218104752well we already knew that
>>218104743evil blood magiker faggot who would've plunged the kingdom into a religious warRenly is the only alternative
I can't imagine how the HotD team is feeling now that Dunk mogged them hardcore.
>>218104752Careful, we almost didn't spell out the plot and had to make the audience infer something
GODS the writting was strong then
>>218104726He bullied Brandon Peterson for his religion in a really cringe Redditor atheist way at a panel
>>218104752Yeah I thought that scene in ep 4 where Dunk looks up and sees Arlan shrugging was meant to mean that Arlan either didn't know or was too drunk to remember the words of the knighting ritual, maybe they'll confirm that
>>218104775>>218103855
>>218104770I think most people preferred that it remain somewhat ambiguous, even though I think the show already makes it more obvious than the books do without even saying it.
>>218104767They can't let any harm come to royal blood and during the trial killing was allowed. It's only logical for them to cut down anyone from the other side.
>>218104767Nah get stabbed gg no rePlus it looks good on their White Book resume
>>218104743the seven knelt for a incestuous nutjob alienthey told stannis to get fuckedthat should tell you all you need to know.
>>218104762Literally how succession works, Stannis should have the throne after Robbert died>>218104773a faggot can't be king
>>218102789>Ned was probably relieved he wouldn't have to worry about having to explain why one of Jon's kids popped out with silver hair or purple eyesMost people think Ashara is the mother.
>>218104752It's fairly obvious both in the show and the book that Dunk wasn't knighted. The only people who dispute this are the people who don't understand the extremely obvious message Martin is sending with it (Dunk being a fake knight is irrelevant because he represents the goodness and nobility of knighthood far better than many official knights do)
>for R+L=J to make sense, they had to be married and this had to have been recorded>the maesters had been sitting on evidence for decades that Bobbie B was retardedwhat was their problem?
>>218104775i watched the Dunk vs Aerion fight and the Criston Cole vs Daemon fights back to backit's laughable
>>218104719I know. Varys is just using them.
Has Lyonel even laughed while fighting?
>>218104775I am pretty sure the HOTD team don't even understand why Dunk is so much better. Maybe they sense it but they completely lack the faculties to understand why. If they had the faculties, HOTD wouldn't be so shit.
>>218104813grey rats, all of them.
>dunk team didn't kill anyone That was bit odd
>>218104858losing 3 of them during the initial charge kinda fucked their killing power
>>218104858Baelor's plan was to have the kingsguard kill all those who stood against the dragon as a message to the realm>he trusted a targshit
>>218104752IN THIS HOUSE SER DUNCAN IS A KNIGHT OF THE REALM AND A BRAVE WESTEROSI WARRIOREND OF SUBJECT
>>218104779Based Loras clowning unc, funny to think he'd forderize him if Jaime got uppity. Arthur Dayne is so overrated, those rose tinted glasses cloud Jaime's vision. Balon Swann would kill him.
>>218104858They lost too many in the first joust and were pushed into defense.
>>218104759Dragonstone is too poor in resources and inhospitable to have benefited from any sizable migration.The populaton is small and interconnected enough that you will be able to find a random Targaryen bastard if you trace the family tree of any inhabitant back far enough, and as Brown Ben Plumm demonstrates having one half (or full) blooded valyrian ancestor 130 years ago is enough for dragons to be friendly towards you.
>>218104813Rhaegar and Lyanna are both dead, what would be the point of telling Bobby that acthually his beloved wasn't kidnapped, she willingly ran away.
>>218103855Hahaha they are fuckedQuickly add more lesbian scenes!
>>218104883Damn they got lucky, the team was shit
>>218104813>Implying they would risk their positions contradicting a war lord in his prime. Bobby B would have eradicated them if they told anyone that Rhaegar and Lyanna actually totally married and that they had a kid.
>>218104759Targs kept living there and kept fucking the natives. Same with Driftmark and the Velaryons.
>>218104858>Targs and their dogs are bloodthirsty kinslaying monsters while regular Westerosi don't want to solve all their problems with murder
>>218104902Kingsguards are just too OP. Literally the best fighters in the land. The Aerion team was stacked.
>>218104909>>218104887It's a port on the way to Essos, it is not out of the question that some people simply stayed, sure not a huge migration, but there should have been enough of a non Valyrian population that someone unrelated like Nettles could very well exist. Also Ben could very well be lying, he's not a honest man and such very distant connections could very well mean nothing.
is it controversial to say the dynamic between Dunk and Egg is way better in the show than it is in the novellas?
>>218104752I mean it is pretty obvious, but still should remain ambiguous.
Move.>>218101835>>218101835>>218101835
>>218104955Her being a Targ/Velyron descendent is just the more likely explanation. She lived in the right place and all other known dragon riders fit the profile as well. Not sure why are so dead set on trying to make a non-Targ.
>>218104731he got cucked and went back to the designated cuck zone beyond the wall with jon (also a cuck)
>>218101985>COME ON!
>>218104998It could be the most likely explanation or it could be a literary point that nobody is special and that actually a random nobody like her simply was able to bond with a dragon by feeding it and increasing familiarity while all around her people are talking about bloodlines. And then she gets fucked over for it. The latter explanation is way more thematically appropriate and rewarding, especially when you already have actual dragonseeds riding dragons with the Two Betrayers who are just stellar lovely guys.
>>218104752>7K7
>>218105071I get it's your pet theory, but there just isn't any evidence for it. Your sample size is one: Nettles. And it's more likely that she was a Targ like all the other riders.
>>218105121You could apply the same argument for non knights being allowed to compete in tourneys and come away with a sample size of one: Dunk, yet it works for the story. It's genre fiction, accept that it'll behave in such a manner with themes.
>>218104721Gets hit by a big ass metal flail in the head multiple times but walks it off but his slap makes his opponent bitch and moan.Totally realistis ye.
>>218105475The Targs should have gotten high quality Steely Pate bucket helmets too
