Dolorous Edd, the 999th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch editionPrevious: >>218234026
>>218239750>NO LORD KARSTARK, YOU CANNOT KILL A PRISONER BEHIND YOUR KING'S BACK!>*frees said prisoner, behind her king's back*I hate her so fucking much bros
>>218239766why did they cast someone so old
>Your false king is dead, bastard. He and all his host were smashed in seven days of battle. I have his magic sword. Tell his red whore.>Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, bastard. Your false king lied, and so did you. You told the world you burned the King-Beyond-the-Wall. Instead you sent him to Winterfell to steal my bride from me.>I will have my bride back. If you want Mance Rayder back, come and get him. I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell.>I want my bride back. I want the false king's queen. I want his daughter and his red witch. I want this wildling princess. I want his little prince, the wildling babe. And I want my Reek. Send them to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your black crows. Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it.>Ramsay Bolton,>Trueborn Lord of Winterfell.
>>218239767KekNow with this newfound perspective I think I get it
>>218239785I cannot believe you've done this. Begone with you.
who are the jews of the asoiaf universe?
>>218239766>My son, true heir of Winterfell, you must do you duty>by diluting the glorious Stark bloodline for eternity with Frey bloodShe's the worst
Would he have done it?
>>218239706>Why can't Jon marry Arya againwho says he can't? Other than seething danyfags?
>>218239826I don't remember the book, but I just watched the clip from the show and she sells BOTH Robb and Arya to the Freys.Once Robb got mentioned the bare minimum would Arya being off the table, the bitch cannot negotiate for shit
>>218239849Yeah Arya meets her betrothed, I think at Harrenhall, he brags about how he’s going to marry a princess lol
>>218239820either Braavos or the maesters, both groups who scheme from behind the scenes>>218239849>jon manages to squeeze the Iron Bank for a guaranteed loan for the entire winter despite the Watch being broke>Catelyn can't secure a bridge crossing from her own father's vassal without handing over 2 of her childrenCat is a legit retard
Bastid
>>218239829No way Arya is this hot. She would've been banditbait.
>>218239880I thank George every time I read the books Cat lived long enough to find out Sansa was married to Tyrion
>You ask that? You, who killed your mother to come into the world? You are an ill-made, spiteful little dragonspawn full of envy, madness, and low honor. My promise to Lyanna lets you pretend to be my bastard and display my colors since I cannot undo that promise. And to teach me humility, the gods have condemned me to watch the mad king's grandson waddle about wearing that proud wolf that was my brother's sigil and my father's before him. But neither gods nor men will ever compel me to let you turn Winterfell into another wildling village. Go, now. Speak no more of your rights to Winterfell. Go. Oh, one more thing. The next wildling I catch in your bed I'll hang.in hindsight, Ned probably could have broken the truth to Jon in a softer manner
Did this nigga want to swallow Dunk's sword or is he just flamboyant?
WWNSD (What Would Ned Stark Do?)
>>218239989It's just a joke.
>>218239982
what if they did a The Pitt style show but it's Redgrass Field or any other battley/y
>>218239992Trick question!The anwser is nothing.He'd find the least trustworthy people to do EVERYTHING for him.
>I SAID POST AND REPLY YOU CUNTS! Does post mean ignore?>No, ser!>Does fucking reply mean fucking sage?>No, ser!>Do you plan to 404 here tonight?>No, ser!>That's very good to hear! Post!
>What of the Kingsguard? >Take heart, Beesbury! I will handle the Kingsguard.
>>218239989Flamboyant. If you read the actual description of how George wrote the laughing storm it would look stupid onscreen
>>218240053I need good posts, Ser Duncanon.The thread...
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>Perfect Visenya cast>Age 48 but not too walled (yet)Worth a shot?
>>218240060>can't do shit to protect them in the initial joust, only when it turns into a melee>tells them not to die>scrub gets himself killed skill issue beebro
>>218240053Where there any black people at the wall?I don't remember seeing any in the show. It just seems like the perfect place to have a bunch of them and it not feeling out of place.
>>218239820Volantis. >claims to have superior heritage than everyone else>sacred wall>slavers
What’s she thinking here
>We've had gay posters, and we've had retarded posters, but I don't know if we've ever been cursed with a gay and retarded poster!
>>218240090The Summer Islands are not part of the seven kingdoms.
Why did Ned abandon Robert after the rebellion? Concealing all of his sister's secrets with him, leaving his "brother" to live out his days among enemies, clinging to his oneitis who he believed loved him back.I don't get it. Edward is supposed to be some honorable man, but he's the worst person of the first act of the overarching story. He's not malovelent, or particularly evil or sinful, he's arguably worse, the worst thing any man can be; indifferent.He's just a mindless soldier who seems to have very little opinion or willingness to act one way or another. Even when he does grow a pair and calls out Robert on his madness, he makes no attempt to actually cull said madness, only to once again abandon him as well as those Robert would do harm to, those who Ned would argue are innocent. He is a coward, through and through, yet the story opens with his execution of one whom the law names cowardly. By what right does Eddard of House Stark swing any sword when he has no discernible understanding of why he swings it, only that he's been told to?Even The Hound defied orders, the law, and the gods, to satisfy his conscious. A dog, greater a man than the wolf. Pathetic.
Who the fuck even is/was Beesbury? Was that the dude who laughs at Raymun and Dunk when they're puking?
>>218239766>Don't worry Ned, you can trust Littlefinger. By the way, I've kidnapped the Imp>Don't worry Robb, you can trust Roose Bolton. By the way, I've set the Kingslayer free
Alright lads choose:>Prince 20th in line of the throne. No honor to be gained, probably married off to some Lady of lower nobility in some wasteland, the population of which, utterly despises you. Your name will fade in obscurity and you have no place at court>Johnny Kingsguard. Born in fleebottom but with talent for swordmanship. You'll never be a lord but you'll be a respected knight>Maester Virgin. Whereas the Kingsguard fuck women at brothers you find yourself surrounded by other virgins. You're too smart for the commonfolk but not smart enough for Grand maester. You'll most likely serve some Kingdom's liege Lord and live til old age>The watch. You either die during some wildling raid or you get to be Lord commander one day, depending on your resolve and your eagerness to deal with the cold north
>Though King Aegon had acquired a distaste for the Valyrian custom of incestuous marriage during his years amongst the smallfolk, Prince Jaehaerys was of a more traditional bent, for from a very early age he had loved his sister Shaera and dreamed of wedding her in the old Targaryen fashion. Once aware of his desires, King Aegon and Queen Betha had done their best to separate the two, yet somehow distance only seemed to inflame the mutual passion of this prince and princess.Was Egg based or cringe?
>>218240139I think the joke anon is making is that the wall is a place for criminals, and melanated people... you know...
>>218240140
Why did Ned let Jon fuck his future by joining the Watch, he had other options
Who is the most tracath qt to marryMyrcella?
>>218240189Same reason Ned did anything:>Muh honor
>>218240158I think he was the apple guy. the one who kept making apple puns
>>218240173Give me the 20th in line prince, plenty of opportunities to leave my mark in history, it's still a pretty decent "start position".If a war start, I might become a legend, and if not I'll enjoy the life of a middle management lord.And besides, the line of succession can shorten a lot very quickly depending on conditions...
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>>218240060kek
>>218240173Prince No. 20 I thinkKingsguard is the worst job in the world. Look at the guys who had to do a fight to the death with Baelor. Or that dude who got sent to the wall because Alicent told him not to hurt the rioter after he’d already done it.
>>218239989The gods flip a coin.Some Baratheons are gigachads like Robert and Stannis.Other Baratheons are zesty ass niggas like Lyonel and Renly.
>>218240189Ned’s an idiot who unironically think its more honorable and better than a normal life. To Ned its like a Reach Lord’s son joining the Kingsguard
>>218240227I love Stannis but he is NOT a gigachad
>>218240158That's the other Humpfrey, Harding.Beesbury is the bee man who ask "what of the kingsguard" and gets told not to worry about it and dying to them 10 minutes later.
>>218240189Realistically, what was Jon's best option marriage wise?
>>218240090nope, best i can do is the grand maester
>what of the Kingsguard?>dies to the Kingsguard Holy Chekhov's gun kino!!!!What are some other Georgerino kinos?
>>218239766Cat was really the Lannister MVP
>>218240259R'hollor - take this guy right here
>>218240173Prince 20th in line of the throne is the only one that's legally allowed to love, so that one obviously.
>>218240259Aye. He's a terachad.
>>218240227>stannis>gigachadnot with that hairline lmao
>>218240308the widow's peak is dark and full of terrors
On rewatch Tywin is actually a retard>Let's himself get bested by Robb over and over again because he underestimates a teenager>Makes it a habit to put Tyrion in life threatening situation just for sport>Too retarded to conclude Jaime and Cersei had a thing going on while being surrounded by Baretheons for the majority of his life>Wastes a good opportunity to deal with his succession during the Tyrion trial out of spite. At the very least he could have sent someone that would easily be beaten at the trial of combat, allowing Tyrion's champion (most likely Bronn) to win and then send Tyrion to the wall to save face but noooooo
>>218240273Realistically? He might’ve gotten a landed widow or a Stark bannerman’s third daughter or something I think. There’s not really a “plan” for him nor even for Bran and Rickon. Like nobody could have forseen the Lady Hornwood situation or the war I think a Lord like Ned just waits for the situation to develop because people always end up dying sooner or later
If I thought HotD S1 was pretty good and S2 was dogshit, would I enjoy dunk?
>>218240366ya it's low stakes and cozy
>>218240189Joining the Watch is a great solution for what to do with Jon from Ned's perspective and it solves a lot of problems:>If his parentage comes out he can't be a contender for the throne or be used by some plotter for a rebellion>Can't father legitimate children who could be a threat to Robert's rule down the line>Saves Ned from having to leave him with Cat in Winterfell
>>218240366if your standards are that low, you'll love dunk
>>2182403543 of those flaws are the same one: he was dogshit at anything pertaining his childrenAt raising them, at loving them, at understanding them. Tywin should have unironically been Kevan's little brother. He's a perfect hand because he's competent, but he's too much of a spiteful dipshit to be left in command
>>218240273Alys Karstark or a Manderly daughter but he'd need to be granted some land to sweeten the pot or really rizz them up
>>218240354Did Tywin really not know about Jamie and Cersei?On a side note, did their kids know they were they were Jamies bastards?
>>218240173maester to study at the citadel, but cause some minor controversy one link short of completing my chain so i can go back to being prince no 20then i will marry minor lady rohanne webber
>pour boiling wine on the woundWouldn't all the alcohol evaporate when you boil the wine?
>>218240273Dacey Mormont or Wynafred Manderly are both female heirs in the North who need a husband who won't overthrow them and is willing to take their name. Or he could have married him off to Robert's bastard daughter Mya Stone
>>218240394Liquid takes time to evaporate, when you reach boiling temperature it doesn't all disappear instantly.
>>218240394If you leave it to boil long enough, ye.I imagine they heat the wine till it starts to boil and then immediatly pour it in.
>>218240354>allowing Tyrion's champion (most likely Bronn) to win and then send Tyrion to the wall to save face but nooooootyrion would be considered innocent and would have no compulsion to take the black
It's so odd that they removed the reek plotline and instead had Ramsay goofily trick Theon into entering the same castle he escapedLike, what was up with thatThat was season 3, one of the good seasons.
take a lance to the heart Beesbury
There being a bunch of bastards that had non nights watch jobs and Jon Snow not knowing about them a real first bookism Jon should know Blood raven was the real king when Aerys was King
>>218240486You may sting, vile hornet, but do know that the bee swarm always survives, and we always get revenge as sweet as honeyhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/CUB6tTYA0KI
>>218240532>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CUB6tTYA0KIthat's horrifying
>>218240530Blood Raven was a royal bastard while Jon grow up in a household where Caitlyn Stark was saw to it that he never got any aspirations for anything. Also, there is no hand of the king equivalent for a Lord Protector. Also, using buzzwords to try and make something seem lesser because it was written before the author came up with all the newer lore just makes you seem like a cunt.
>>218240576It's the fate of all those who wrong the bee.
Need to check if I'm still banned
>>218240640hell yeah
>>218239773They wouldn’t be able to handle the mass amount of simping that would happen if she was more book accurate
Watch to the end for a surprisehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pttaskuCZg
>>218239797Damn that nigga straight up UHHHHGGGGGGLY
>>218240729Ugly? We can't have that in our show with a growing female audience! Quick, cast a conventionally attractive actor for the role!
>>218239797what did mance mean by this
when you think about it, getting cucked by a prostitute, your 'friend' not telling you about it, and your ancestry based on a lie isn't really the worst thing
>>218240769actually it is when you think about it
>>218240189What would those options be? Would starting a cadet house (Greystarks comes to mind) be better? That way they wouldn’t need to rely on Boltons as much?
>>218240769>>218240774It "isn't the worst thing" because asoiaf is a world where you could end up in the hands of Ramsay and become a raped eunuch after enduring mind shattering trauma, or interrogated by the Mountain's men.But realistically, it's extremely shitty
>>218240273Just serve as a soldier for the starks and take a homely wife, live in a farmHow is this not a better fate then the fucking night's watch for fucks sake
>>218240715need an edit of egg wearing stewies clothes
>>218240815Cat would’ve had him killed
>>218240053Aye, we must postser Criston has posted
>>218240815Yeah like its all very up in the air because the starks don’t just have a lot of land to give away but the absolute worst case scenario for Jon is that he’s like head of Robbs household guard and can marry whoever he wants even if they’re like a Jeyne poole tier upperlevel smallfolk
>>218240815if his parentage ever becomes known, he's a massive target for Robert
>>218240859Looking at anons pointing out Cat's track record, if she did that i think she somehow would have ended up making him warden of the north.
>>218239773>why did they cast someone so oldIn the GoT pilot episode, Catelyn Stark was played by Jennifer Ehle but D&D are such incompetent hacks, HBO shitcanned it and spent a bazillion dollars remaking it and meanwhile, she had bailed.
>>218240904so they made a pilot but it was so shit they remade it? damn...
>>218240087She should have been Val.
>>218239829Targ bastard is as weak as his lame father. Superior Bobby B would cave his chest in with single strike of a hammer
>>218240087wasnt visenya supposed to be manish and not all that pretty?there's a reason why Aegon fucked the other sister more
>>218240273Jeyne Pool who looks like a cuter, older Arya Stark If Jon gets given some land to start a cadet branch, he could swing Alys who also lost looks like an older Arya If Ned wanted to troll, he’d set Jon up with Mya Stone though Robert’s favorite child with Rhaegar’s son
>>218240931Dany also had another actress, Tamzin Merchant.
>>218240956is there any way to watch the original pilot?
The Dance of the Dragons is utter kinoWhy did George let (((Ryan))) and (((Sarah))) fuck it up so hard?Is there any event comparable in kino?
>>218240963No, not even George is allowed to see it.
>>218240949>Robert’s favorite childlol I don't know about that. He just saw her once or twice and wasn't a total dick.
>>218240949I'd probably moan Arya's name like a girl in bed with Jeyne if I was Jon
Raymun plot line happened because the showrunners don't understand right wing morality, and that's a bad thing. They think that Dunk is the same as Red because they both lie to change their social status, only Dunk does it in the male way and Red does it in the female way, thus they have solidarity with each other. This is wrong - they are not the same. Dunk's lie subverts a rule that ultimately has no substance and has become a corrupt mockery. All he lies about is whether someone performed a hollow ritual on him. Meanwhile, he actively follows every tangible tenant of that ideal by his actions. None of his actions are lies. He protects the weak. He earns his own keep. He is strong, even if he can't properly use his strength yet. He teaches his symbolic children to be men like him. He is a just judge and not corruptible.Meanwhile, Red is a liar in her actions and subverts the most important role of traditional femininity (motherhood). What she does is wrong on a very deep level that exists before any hierarchy, and people are hard-wired in their DNA to accept it. Everything that drives Raymun ultimately serves him securing women to bear his children and resources for those children, thus he must be repulsed by the lie for those efforts to not go to waste. It's not even the prostitution that is the problem - men are wired to reject prostitutes as partners because if they didn't their children might not be theirs. Red takes this even further by making the possibility a certainty and being complicit in it. It IS not is child, she KNOWS this, and she uses this as deception to secure his resources. She is lying about the entire concept of womanhood and fulfilling none of it. This is the opposite of Dunk who fulfills every aspect of manhood, but the corrupt society artificially says he's not a man.
>>218240949Alys Karstark is like a perfect example like nobody could have seen that opportunity coming and at the beginning of book 1 the situation was stable enough where they never would have given her to a bastard but by the time she actually needs to get married they just need a warm body and Jon would have been an excellent choice
>>218240976He wanted to bring her to court but Cersei said she’d kill her (so Robert slaps her)
>>218240976Low standards and apparently Robert visited Mya multiple times even after she got tired of the mom and wanted to bring the daughter to court until Cersei threatened to lol her which made Robert lash out so badly he beat her That’s more emotion than any if his other kids invoked in him
>>218239767This still hurts.
>>218240978So Jon pulls a Robert on Jeyne. Luckily Jeyne is no Cersei and would just seethe about it internally and do nothing except spread her legs for Jon
>>218241002>>218241013I don't remember that at all. I just remember her saying Robert had always been nice to her anytime he visited. Mind you this was FIFTEEN FUCKING YEARS AGO FATMAN
>>218239767>random eventgotta pump up your Intrigue #s
>>218240976> I remember a man throwing me in the air when I was very little. He stands as tall as the sky, and he throws me up so high it feels as though I'm flying. We're both laughing, laughing so much that I can hardly catch a breath, and finally I laugh so hard I wet myself, but that only makes him laugh the louder. I was never afraid when he was throwing me. I knew that he would always be there to catch me. Then one day he wasn't. Men come and go. They lie, or die, or leave you.
>>218239767I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry
>>218240087
>>218241098Why did he say that his dad died in his armor? Why would Baelor be wearing his son's armor??
>>218241151because Baelor didn't bring armor, but valarr didso he borrowed his sons armor
>>218239767he was my son, and he was murdered by his wife and jealous brother, he asked for my blessing to marry her, i gave him to his own murdereri had her tortured and killed him with my own hands, but it was my poor judgement killed my beautiful perfect boy
>>218241151because he wasn't meant to be fighting so he didn't have his proper serious armor on him, and also maybe because of this the armor didn't fit as well, and that maybe if he had his own armor on him he'd have livedultimately dumb and gay point that wasn't important in the books. they're trying too hard to reference the Theoden scene where he buries his son while being le subversive, but the ENTIRE POINT of the Theoden speech is that it's already a subversive corruption of what should be - a father burying his son, not a son burying his father. This """subversion""" just turns back around into the natural reality of a son burying his father, only they try to hamfist the armor thing in there to change this basic fact. Bravo Ira, you absolute retard.
>>218239797>”Milord, we have a response from the Stark bastard.”>”Well out with it,” says Ramsey, without giving the soldier so much as a glance.>The foot soldier briefly fidgets with the message tube before saying, “Begging your pardon, milord, but I never learnt my letters.”>Ramsey stretches out his hand, palm up, and the soldier gingerly approaches to place it in his grasp.>Muttering to himself, Ramsey retrieves the parchment from the tube, unfurls it, and reads:”You write like a retard.”
>"You're right Stannis, my brother. You dont have a son and already hit the wall. I can wait five more years for the throne. Let's link up and ally up with that young wolf!"Was it that hard?
>>218241220what Renly wanted was respect from Stannis
>>218241207pseud of the year award
Cast Maegor
The reveal is that Bran pulled a Hodor and used Maekar to smash Baelor’s head inThis is why Maekar doesn’t remember the blow that did Baelor in the Hedge Knight but knows it must have been his mace
>>218241242Henry Cavil unironically
>"Woah waltuh you have so many young daughters. I take five for my harem, send ramsay's bussy into my quarter he needs correction"Was it that hard, Robert?
>>218239827Yeah.
>>218239827no, he wouldm't eventually been corrupted even without him being a human, Duncan is a liar
>>218241250I didn't think the faith of the seven lets you have a harem, but what about the old gods?
>>218239982Kek
>>218241244The result of Bran being able to transport to the past and seize control of another character’s consciousness to affect the past means that any action or decision can be Bran
>>218241244It was bloodraven
>>218241207King Theoden is lotr not got
>>218240127How to oppress the khhv virgin gamers even more
>>218240127>I’m thinking Arby’s
>but you are sworn to chastity now
>>218241310Bran will be the villain. Story will end with Bran warging every single human from past, present and future
>>218241340aegon making his drinking buddies kingsguards is so retarded, and that fucking armor lmao
>>218241207Are you retard? It’s very often that sons would wear their deceased or old father armor into combat.Or you’re such a fucking moron you think lotr invented “fathers burying sons”
>>218241315Bloodraven reveals he can’t affect the past. He’s tried. He doesn’t have the power. He doesn’t think Bran can either > But," said Bran, "he heard me."->"He heard a whisper on the wind, a rustling amongst the leaves. You cannot speak to him, try as you might. I know. I have my own ghosts, Bran. A brother that I loved, a brother that I hated, a woman I desired. Through the trees, I see them still, but no word of mine has ever reached them. The past remains the past. We can learn from it, but we cannot change it."The Hodor twist proves Bloodraven is wrong and Bran can affect the past We also see a future Bran in ASOS awakening Jon’s abilities to warg via a dream
>>218241360This is a plot point in First LawYou guys should read it btw I'm a shill who does it for free
>>218241349Bran is the storyteller. He effectively writes the story. The storyteller is god and king “There’s nothing more powerful than a good story”
>>218241370You are coping. Watch the scenes back to back and tell me that.
>>218241379cuckraven simps will claim bloodraven was lying or he means time is a closed bootstrap paradox, but true patriots know you're right. cuckraven is just there to hide future bran from you
>>218240389I think Tywin knew but was in denial about it. I don’t think the kids have any idea they’re not Bobby’s kids.
>>218241340
>>218241406Bran will become a Night King
>>218240630Fucking hell.
>>218241444The funny thing is that Bloodraven shows he has no idea who the Three Eyed Crow is when Bran asks him if he’s him and when we we hear the the Three Eyed Crow talk, it talks and acts like BranBloodraven talks in a wise way. The Three Eyed Crow talks like a mischievous child Bran’s name means crow btw and when Jon sees Brab in his dreams, he has 3 eyes
>>218240273Some hills clan daughter then he'd spend the majority of his adult like down at Moat Cailin doing fuck all till he dies in a melee.
>>218241383>This is a plot point in First Lawtl;dr or fuck off
>>218240715Fucking amazing.
my fingers feel..my fingers feel like wood
>>218241505personally I see the three eyed crow's speech as more the joker old man teacher type who you're not sure is mad or a genius, childlike rather than truly a child. otherwise, I agreeGRRM has clearly laid the clues that they are different entities while making it seem like they are if you're not paying attention. whenever a character doesn't directly answer a question yet you're led to believe an answer, you should think carefully
>>218241505Brynden is an agent of the cotf (evil) and wants to use the walkers to cleanse Westeros of man so that the children can reclaim Westeros. Bran will have to psychically battle him and become the savior of humanity. All dragons white walkers giants and children of the Forrest are gone for good, and will fade into a distant forgotten legend. But bran will remember
>>218240983Good analysis.
>>218241558..your grace
>>218241558Is this foreshadowing to how wood burns and he's also going to be set on fire at his funeral?
>>218240983You really expect me to read all that shit? it's not even confirmed he's a cuck
>>218241558why did bloodraven try to turn him into a tree
>>218241612Wood….weirwood Bran did it I bet Bran also had Maegor kill himself
>>218241640Morningwood... wood... weirwood.Bran did it!
was Baelor's death the most meaninful death done in this series since thrones?
>>218241576brynden is an agent of cotf (sexy)
>>218241656yes, but that's not saying much
>>218241651What if I told you that Bran skin changed into Robert on his wedding night so he could whisper Lyanna into Cersei’s as he creampied her
>>218240090>>218240277>>218240139It actually IS weird that the one place in Westeros - outside of port towns - that should have a menagerie of races, creeds etc., not only has only whites, but 99,9% of them worship the Seven.
>>218241701then I'd say jaime did literally nothing wrong
>>218240140We have absolutely no idea of what exactly happened at the Tower of Joy and in its aftermath.Notice that Ned took down the entire tower. Three people can't do that. So that means he had significant help. From whom, and why? Why the need to tear down the entire building?Something was happening in that place that wasn't just Lyanna giving birth.
>>218241716>Notice that Ned took down the entire tower. Three people can't do that. So that means he had significant help. From whom, and why? Why the need to tear down the entire building?House Dayne. He literally concocts a fake story with their help saying Wylla is the mom and then fake Ashara Dayne’s death as well as her daughter’sCheck the original AFFC synopsis: > Continuing the most ambitious and imaginative epic fantasy since The Lord of the Rings The action in Book Four of A Song of Ice and Fire begins the day after the end of A STORM OF SWORDS. While the remaining northern lords war endlessly with each other and the ironmen of the isles attack the Dreadfort, Sansa becomes a skilled player in the game of thrones with Littlefinger as her mentor, Arya a skilled assassin, and Bran a magician and shapeshifter of great power. All seek to gain revenge for the death of their parents and Robb Stark, whose head was cut off and replaced with the head of his direwolf. Valar morghulis. All men must die, and wolves, too. Danerys trains her growing dragons and learns from Barristan the secrets of her father, her brother Rhaegar, and other matters that will culminate at Starfell. And Jon Snow is the nine-hundredth-and-ninety-eighth lord commander of the Night's Watch. The Wall is his. The night is dark, and he has King Stannis to face. The cold wind is rising, and still there are inhuman powers gathering in the north. "
>>218241716Bloodraven warged into the tower and destroyed it
>>218241765Uncle Bryndy
>>218241701TV show Bran warged Ramsey and raped Sansa. Which is why he keeps repeating how beautiful it was
>>218241754>House Dayne. >>He literally concocts a fake story with their help saying Wylla is the mom and then fake Ashara Dayne’s death as well as her daughter’sSure, but again, why the need to pull down an entire fucking stone building? My best guess is that it wasn't just someone giving birth, but some Summerhall 2.0 shenanigans, and Ned wanted to erase all evidence.
>>218239797what did Barbrey Dustin mean by this?
>>218241576It doesn't really make sense for the cotf to just be bad and the enemies of men. That's how it was before, but they came to some kind of agreement on the isle of faces, and men started worshipping the old gods, which are cotf gods or ancestors.Maybe I could buy it if men are violating the agreement by switching to the faith of the seven, but that's hardly a new development.The idea the show presents with the white walkers makes more sense than this on a high level.
>>218241754>Continuing the most ambitious and imaginative epic fantasy since The Lord of the Ringsi thought grrm hated lotr, why piggyback off of its name
>>218239797It’s funny that people invent 20 possible reasons why someone would write it. When only person who has all the evidence, motive and tools is Stannis He has dreadfort maester, Theon and already tried to pull Jon from the watch
>>218241802That's the only thing I can think of too. Nothing else would need you to destroy the building. The reason grrm hides summerhall so much might be because it'd relate to this too. Otherwise, in theory it really doesn't matter what Egg was doing and has no impact beyond that era. A survivor of summerhall trying to do summerhall again makes sense, although Ned clearly thinks positively of Rhaegar which means he can't have been crazily trying to sacrifice everyone
>>218241801cant blame him, id do the same
>>218241836>i thought grrm hated lotrit's almost like the word of retarded schizophrenics on /tv/ shouldn't be taken seriously.
>¡MÁS VINO, MIERDA DE LANNISTER!
>>218241836he loves lotr
>>218241576>>218241814There are so many retarded theories accepted as canon that actively contradict information we get from the books.>Young Griff isn't Aegon (despite Varys revealing that in a conversation with a man he is about to murder, so has absolutely no reason to lie).>The Children of the Forest are evil (despite living in peace with the First Men for thousands of years, and possibly still doing it on Skagos).>Stannis will burn his daughter as sacrifice (despite the two being separated by hundreds of miles).>>218241853I think that whatever was going on inside would also ruin the reputation of House Dayne, which is why they're so grateful towards Ned.
>>218241836>i thought grrm hated lotrnah he loves that shit, and loves to criticize it for fun and appreciation
>>218240173Prince 20. That's not even a debate. Beeing this far from the succession means no one sees you as a threat and you can just chill and enjoy your life.
>>218241836Anon, the more you love something, the more you criticize and nitpick.
>>218240176Shitty dad. If my children wanten to bang I would support it.
>>218240173Prince 20th. And give me Gatehouse Amy as a wife. I want a degenerate slut - at least the sex life will be an 11/10.
Daemon Blackfyre really shouldn't have had kids at 14
>>218241876>Blackfyre supporter that did everything in his power to weaken Targaryens actually secretly supports Targs and not Blackfyrelol, right
Ned and Arthur Dayne are gay lovers and Jon is their ass-born son
>>218241928And here we are, the only argument you people can come up with is "lol" or some other non-sequitur.GRRM tailor made this scene specifically so there's no avenue of claiming it's a red herring.
>>218241931Now that would be a subversion
>>218240189Sending him to the watch neutralizes (and protects) Jon politically, and it's seen as an honorable way to get rid of bastards and younger sons in general. There's a long tradition of trueborn and bastard Starks rising to prominence in the Watch.However, in later books Grrm invents the idea that Ned planned to buy The Gift back from the Night's Watch and settle it with new lords and people. With this retcon it seems downright evil to send Jon off to the Watch, when he could have made him a minor lord.
>>218241876>despite Varys revealing that in a conversation with a man he is about to murder, so has absolutely no reason to lieanon, there are like 10 children (Little birds) at the scene. Yes they're mute, but they can still betray Varys in some way
>>218240189Catelyn pressured him. She wouldn't stand having Jon around without Ned present at Winterfell
>>218241876>>218241814The bloodmoon prequel leaks already confirmed it. A rogue cotf broke away from the human sympathetic children and started a faction in the north to combat man, and this is the tribe that made the walkers
>>218241948So Varys supports targs…which is why he was undermining Rhaegar trying to depose his insane father…and then convinced Aerys to disinherit Rhaegar. And then convinced only remaining Targ to ally with Dothraki that would pillage and ravage Westeros while Aegon Targaryen…whom he convinced to disinherit, returns with Golden company, to restore peace…Wow, what a consistent character that makes a lot of sense
>>218241523One of the MCs becomes king from the first trilogy and he promotes his old drinking buddy to major or thereabouts when he really should've just stayed sergeant Also the guy he (cheated) and won a 1v1 against is brought into personal guard It's utter kinoThis is all explored in depth the fifth book of the series where it's centred around a three day battle
>>218240189This >>218241991 + the Master supported her in this decision.
>>218241656Vizerys Ned and Baelor are the most tragic
>>218242008The green men = the last remnants of the human allied children. The bloodraven colony north of the wall are decedents of the vengeful tribe
How long after GRRM kicks the bucket will we get the final books (with AI generated ending)?
>>218242029Meant for >>218241992
>>218241242would watch unironically
>>218241379There's also a very direct and unambiguous scene in the first book. When Arya flees the Red Keep during the coup she only survives because a disembodied voice from no where straight up tells her where to go.We don't know who that was, but in hindsight probably time traveling Bran.
is Walder Frey the ultimate dynasty player?
>>218242091Yeah that seems like Bran to me I remember that
What is the folly of the Gardener writing style apparent in Asoiaf?
>>218241906>13fuckin geek, Viserys II was laying pipe in a lysene princess at 11
>>218242091>>218242099There are also instances when characters "lose time" and don't know what they've been doing in the meantime. I think that's Bran warging them in order to try some things to change the past.
>>218241876The two other things you say are likely not true, but Blackfyre Aegon makes more sense than not>Illyro's mother>blackfyres dead "in the male line" - why specify that?>introducing the blackfyres at all>aerion going to essos as brightflame first (proto blackfyre)>varys believes power lies where men believe it does; truth is what men believe is truth>varys undermines aerys>varys does not seem interested in helping viserys and dany at all>sells off dany>likely knows viserys will get himself killed>at the very least he's trying to delay them, possibly because original plot has him assisting them and not blackfyres>shaves his head like egg>sorceror wanted his blood specifically for his ritual>treasures given to Aegon suspected to be blackfyre>the golden company (honestly even just the golden company supporting him makes the simplest explanation a blackfyre)>why did the golden company not support viserys if a real targ is fine with them?>the washed up black dragon sign that became red>the mummer's dragon>dany as slayer of lies>varys lives the lie and would not tell the truth if there was any risk, and little birds were present>no explanation for illyiro and varys teaming up, other than being old friends, but varys does not seem the kind to stay loyal for that reason>aegon would definitely have been killed by tywin or robert, so someone would have to secret him awayAt the very least you would need to believe george is setting this all up so he can reverse uno Aegon being real. The one thing that supports him being real I can think of is "three heads of the dragon" and we don't know who the third head is, and aegon would be the most obvious. And that's if the three heads of the dragon is even going to come to pass
>>218242111There’s no gardener style writing in asoiaf. Gardener means you prune when needed. GRRM writing style is more of a madman throwing seeds everywhere and watching what will grow even if weeds are killing everything else he keeps throwing more seeds
>>218241953>With this retcon it seems downright evil to send Jon off to the Watch, when he could have made him a minor lord.Making Jon any kind of Lord would require legitimising him, and Cat would sooner slit Jon's throat than let that happen
>>218241958i feel like that's pretty retarded, do you really think George wrote that scene with that in mind that Varys would lie because of the birdies. even if fAegon is true Varys wasn't really lying for all intents and purposes Aegon is back
>>218242147Why would Varys lie to a person he's about to kill?
>>218242111Is this distinction between "gardeners" and "architects" actually a real thing among authors? Is there any other published writer who calls himself a gardener? Because I think that's just a made-up cope on the Fatman's part where he tries to justify his inability to plan and outline as a legitimate strategy.
>>218242111He just coined a word for experimenting in the way literally everyone does because hes an arrogant publicity hound. The difference is most people have a loose outline and an ending, which he abandoned after SoS because he got full of himself
>>218242148>>218242180I have the same style from doing a lot of roleplay where I have to adapt to multiple writers so I understand>>218242183What is the ending he thought of?
>>218242032Two weeks
>>218241992[citation needed]I thought nothing about bloodmoon is actually known
>>218242032Preston is already writing it. He will finish Winds in George's lifetime.
>>218242169because it's a story and a story would want to reveal that in a dramatic point in the narrative lmao Varys is speaking in a flowery way, Aegon IS back. why would Varys spill out all the details of his scheme he's rubbing in to Kevan how he's going to save the realm why muddy it
>>218242169because he's lying to someone he's about to kill plus a dozen witnesses. they can't speak but that doesn't mean there's zero risk. what's your explanation for all the hints at him being fake?
>>218241953>n later books Grrm invents the idea that Ned planned to buy The Gift back from the Night's Watch and settle it with new lords and people.its been years since I read the books but I have no memory of this
>>218242196Theres leaked outlines from i think 93 and 96 but they have long since been jettisoned. We know he gave HBO what he could but they were just random end points he came up with 30 years ago he never mapped to all the new mystery box stuff he added in Feast and Dance. People overestimate how much he knows about the ending, like we debate how much JonConn and fAegon will have to do with the Burning of Kings Landing Dany will either commit or only just get blamed for; but the truth is George probably has no idea either
>>218242208https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/158088-everything-we-ever-knew-about-the-long-night-prequel-pilot-bloodmoon-summary-video-report/There were some pretty big leaks a few years back with some interesting implications , you should take a look at this
>>218242256"Dany goes mad because bells!!!", that's clearly set up for JonCon, he is only one that has nightmares about bells
>>218242246They mention it a few times in Jon’s POV but it was more of an ambition than a plan and it had to be laid aside totally at least for the winter because Ned wasn’t going to do it with Wildlings. Jon is basically doing Neds plan but with Wildlings
>>218242091>When Arya flees the Red Keep during the coup she only survives because a disembodied voice from no where straight up tells her where to go.?
>>218242180>Is this distinction between "gardeners" and "architects" actually a real thing among authors?no purely george's cope over writing himself into corners and being too adhd to plan
>>218242246It's in an early Bran chapter in SoS I believe. He thinks about it while traveling through it.
>>218242240Why talk to Kevan at all then, and the kids are already witnesses to murdering one of the most powerful men in Westeros and probably a ton of his other schemes. I really doubt lying for the sake of the mute birdies was on George's mind while writing that scene that monologue was 100% for the readers
>>218242312if Varys is telling the truth then character of Varys in book is unironically worse than TV Varys
>>218242286I gave it a quick google. I misremembered partly. The voice does not tell her where to go, but to calm down and think:>Shehad to leave now, she told herself, but when the moment came, she was too frightened to move.>Calm as still water, a small voice whispered in her ear. Arya was so startled she almost dropped her bundle. She looked around wildly, but there was no one in the stable but her, and the horses, and the dead men.>Quiet as a shadow, she heard. Was it her own voice, or Syrio's? She could not tell, yet somehow it calmed her fears.>She stepped out of the stable.https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/144529-arya-in-the-red-keep-stables-whose-voice-calms-her/#comment-7825902
>>218242322WhyAnd the way Varys phrased it it isn't really a lie, he didn't say we faked his death or whatever. Varys talks about how he will make a good king because he was raised right, he doesn't talk about restoring the Targ dynasty or anything remotely like that
>>218242426because all his actions from Aerys reign forward make absolutely no sense
>>218242169https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/97015-conversation-with-a-dying-man-the-exact-wording-of-varys-and-kevans-talk/tldr he didn't. He spoke the truth but led him to misinterpret his words, which is what Varys likes to do
>>218242180It’s discovery writers and outliners. GRRM is just up his own ass pretending it’s anything else.
>>218242344Yeah that seems to be Bran. I wonder what other instances we can find in other POVs that can point to Bran. I know in TWOW, Arya mentions the trees are watching her while she’s in Nymeria
>>218242826many such cases. ned and theon also experience it
>>218242826Jon when he was beyond the wall
Bran has the ability to cuck anyone. He can literally skinchange into any guy in the middle of sex in the present or past and cum inside their women
>>218242872any bad thing can now be excused on Bran.Theon betrayed Starks? Bran did it!Aerys madness? Bran did it, then ordered execution of his grandpaRhaegar and Lyanna? You bet Bran did it too
Brackens are such a loser fucking house. I bet the guy who farted felt like a faggot loser seeing the king stand up for Dunk
>What of the bump limit?
>>218242957Take heart beesbury. I’ll take the Jannie’s from the left and the right.
>>218242911Maelor's fate? Yeah that was Bran too
>>218243004>Beesbury gets banned for making a thread before reaching the bump limit
I used to be a Blackfyre fan but now I’m a Targ fan
>What of the varroa mite?
>the daynes sword “Dawn” is 8000 years old and came from a purple pink comet in the night and lands on an island. Dawn is made out of a different metalWhy does this sound so kino?
>>218243106Only Blackfyre worth liking is Daemon. It's all downhill from there.
>>218240273He was on track to marry Arya.
>>218242944a Blackwood would've jumped down from the stands, done a 3600 degree backflip, and pledged his sword for Ser Dunk.
>>218243123Probably some Yi Ti bloodstone emperor shit
people will say the Boltons are evil but they did stand by the Starks for like 8000 years and only rebelled like twice
>>218243138lol lmao
>>218243138Would they both want this?Please say yes it's kino
>>218243203Rhaegar's genes compelled him to pursue the she wolf.
Theon would've been a good King of the Iron Islands since he was raised by Whites
>>218243173I always figured the Starks kept the Boltons around for the same reason Tywin had Gregor Clegane, just a outright terrifying threat for any other houses that get ideas of rebellion.The old kings of winter knew the Boltons were still flaying but used it to their advantage as punishment for enemies.
>>218239750>I'm on probation!
Do we have any beautyscalers in the thread? How do Prime Catelyn Tully and Ashara Dayne stack up vs like Shiera Seastar
Lord Stark
>>218241207>ultimately dumb and gay point that wasn't important in the books.it was, it's explicitly brought up he arrived to the trial in his son's armor
>>218243469Cat had bigger tits so Cat > Shiera
Always baffled me how Ned’s lie was never figured out. Like no one in all the kingdoms, not Varys or anyone, ever asked themselves “hey, why did Rhaegar have THREE Kingsguard guarding Lyanna Stark?” Or “isn’t it odd how Eddard Stark entered Dorne to retrieve his sister who’s been missing for a year, but left it with her bones and a baby?”
>>218242872>He can literally skinchange into any guy in the middle of sexNo he can't
>>218243656So how did he warg into Maekar in the middle of a melee?
>>218243469cat wasn't even that attractive, she just looked better than and was smarter than her sister, and littlefinger knew no girls other than them so developed oneitisprove me wrong
>>218243688everyone thinks sansa is beautiful and often say shes a younger version of cat
>>218243555Littlefinger...
....semoc eH
>>218243596I think a handful of people probably knew but chose to kept quite because of the benefits of having a targ bastard alive in Westeros
>>218243714they don't say she's the most beautiful in all of westeros
>>218240140he was pissed over the sacking of kings landing and roberts reaction to it
Since it's becoming apparent that Cumdoll and Hiss have torpedoed the Lads, I wonder how many of his bannermen this ratfucker will betray in /hotd/ S3
>>218242944
>>218243772no-one ever said she was, that would be either cersei or ashara
what hits harder, maekar's mace or Dunk's clout on Aerion's ear?
Ser Arlan taught me rizz and looksmaxing, and how to framemog
>>218243860>CerseiWe srs? Lana Headey isn't that hot Show me book accurate Cersei
Valyrian blud
>>218243932
who wins the whorathon Ser Arlan with his pennytree or Pod with his mighty rod?
Anons and tripfags shitpost wellOr else my general is dead and doomed to hell
>>218243935I dare you to say that again.
>>218243932cersei is extremely beautiful but past her prime. definitely top tier. she's threatened by other women (girls) because they're younger
>*stares at you*
>>218244020
>>218243932For me, the Japanese cover artworks help me imagine the 'Book Accurate' characters, although with a little bit of extra fantasy mixed in - Dany, Jon, Bran & Tyrion are well-done for their respective covers as well I feel.
>>218239820(((Maesters)))
Are the Seven Kingdoms nothing compared to Essos?
>>218239820Ironborn>Monotheistic>Strong cultural in-group and resistance to conversion>Believe they were made in the Drowned God's image and are his chosen people>Refuse to work for their wealth and instead steal all their shit from others or use slaves
>>218244289Essos is a squabbling collection of rump states spending fortunes trying to enslave each other; Westeros unified is a true realm (even if unity is sometimes hard to come by).
>>218244289Essos is mostly barren dessert
>>218241706I don't think they send non-Westerosi to the wall for crimes, because there's nothing stopping them from deserting the same way there is for Westerosi (ie: foreigners can just desert and if they get a boat out of Westeros they're home free)
>>218239829>>218239902>>218240086Built for Big Bolton Cock
>>218239902There's a reason all the fanfic assumes she has a massive ass anon
>>218244420ERM...what fanfic is that?????
>>218244335>barren dessertSo no sprinkles?
>>218244410no that's sansa
>>218244335ruled by the gay emperors Bran and Rickon
>>218244435Several>https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Arya%20Stark%20has%20a%20fat%20ass>https://archiveofourown.org/works/67532356>https://www.hentai-foundry.com/stories/user/Cambrian/66574/Fat-Bottomed-Starks-Game-of-Thrones>https://www.hentai-foundry.com/stories/user/Cambrian/25280/A-Proper-Lady-Game-of-Thrones/67347/Chapter-4/Fighting-for-Throne>>218244447Why not both?
>>218244487>there's a tag for it
>>218244487Which one would warm my bed tonight? (The best one)
Was anyone disappointed when the big reveal with Egg was he was a prince and not transmasc? They even named him Egg so it felt obvious
>>218239766>>218239826>>218240166Who do you hate the most Catelyn or Skylar ?
>>218244546Please die
>>218244612I wonder how he would look like with a head full white hair
>>218244546>t. Aerion
under what circumstance could a (cute) commoner bed this?hardmode: no rape
>>218244289Na, Essos can’t even fight its own wars and has to beg Westerosi chad merc companies to do all their fighting. They would get low diffed by a truly united Westeros
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