New streaming deal (probably) leaked - Disney out and AMC+ is inLooks like one of the employees at Fandom.com who organises the brand deals with wikis posted something earlier than he was supposed to
>>220029388Pic relIt's largely flown under the radar so far, only Tharries bothered to make a video about it and nobody uses the Fandom slop wiki anymore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TeHUw8EAEk
>>220029388Show died with Capaldi’s last episode.
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>>220029388>>220029415>AMC+ is inAnd just like with Billie "Doctor Bog" Piper, /who/ was right again: >>219768317
dead show dead general
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>>220029749>Show died with Smith's third seasonFixed it for you
And how will they make that deal from...
>>220031020>Show died when nuwho premieredFTFY
>>220029749Show died when I turned 14.
>>220029388They can keep changing streaming company deals for the rest of eternity, but that won't change the fact that the show will still be utter dog shit with the same "creative" team behind the wheel
>>220029388Doctor Who... Is alive?!
>>220029749it crossed an irreparable threshold after the disaster season finale following clara's death
Yeah but is the BBC still in? Because if so, there's no hope. The only way Doctor Who survives is a root and branch transplant to somewhere less gay, jewish and muslim.
>>220031134Fuck you, Christopher Eccleston was an excellent doctor who was let down by behind-the-scenes BS and weak scripts.
>>220031211The scripts weren't even that weak, in relative terms
>>220030408Bravo Vince already ditched AMC for Apple TV
>>220031218True, but they were weaker compared to what came before and after him. Point being, if he stayed on I strongly argue he would be far more remembered and beloved than David Tennant, whose run had much better scripts but was buggered about by really leaning to fanwank surrounding doctor-companion relationshipping being built into the show proper. I loved Martha as a companion, but what was her plot through-line about? How she "wasn't as good as Rose" and "how Rose completed the Doctor."
>>220031363He couldn't get over the fact that she was black
>>220031462The Doctor is NOT racist.
>>220031515>All of time and space to hide in>Makes Martha hide in 1800s England with him
>>220031462To be fair to Who of that era, they did the opposite of woke and cast redheads consecutively after getting rid of Martha, lmao.
Pretty sure the current showrunner for Doctor Who or the current lead actor said the show is now only for gay people. I'm not gay so not watching. Not that I was watching this shitshow anyway since Tennant left.
>>220031515https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1tx5qZBwl0
>>220031515>This is a madhouse. It's all full of Arabs.
>>220031654WTF I love the first Doctor now!?
heard this probably has to do with them striking a deal to air the older episodes.Still, wouldn't necessarily be a bad deal. I reckon they would want to gear it for an older audience, which is what it needs.The BBC are never going to get over the idea that DW is a "kids' show", and by that they mean it has to be patronising to it's audience.
>>220029388>AMC+ is in
>>220031363David Trannant sucks
>>220031588You're not gay but you are trans
>>220031218yeah, it's pretty objectively RTD's best series. He went off the rails with Tennant, and never came back down.All of the things people praise about RTD's take on DW: the rougher, cooler interpretation of the Doctor (compared to the 80's), the whole kitchen sink drama feel with the companion's family life being a factor too, the ability to actually make the Daleks scary again, that's all series 1. Series 2 gave us the killer Christmas tree, Peter Kay, and campy Cybermen. It was already losing it's edge at that point. Series 3 gave us the Doctor turning into Dobby, and flying through the air like an angel. Series 4 gave us fat babies, the Doctor literally crying over guns, the utterly cringe finale to the Stolen Earth where Donna presses a button and makes the Daleks spin.
>>220029415I still don't know why there's two wikis and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
>>220031915My understanding is it is something like the company that hosted a lot of fan wikis turned to shit, so several wikis migrated to new locations.
>>220031173Hell Bent was better than most finales.
>>220031831just remembered this old arse Charlie Brooker bithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79XAEN9gAx0
>>220031831Series 1 takes 6 episodes to have an episode that's actually good. Best RTD series is probably 4, but it still has the bad stretch of the Sontarans and Doctor's Daughter.
>>220031974I've always found the Tennant era to be mostly unbearable and cringe and datedFor all of Steven Moffat's faults, the first thing he did was ditch a lot of the overt campiness and main actor worship Of course other problems would crop up.
>>220031974He's 100% correct.
>>220032064Why did they have three episodes in a row where 10 goes RAAAGGHH I HATE GUNZZ I NEVER WOULD YOU HEAR THAT *bulges eyes and bares teeth like a madman*
>>220032073it's weird how such a common complaint against Moffat is "he makes the Doctor the most important guy in the world, and makes too many jokes".Did these people watch the Tennant era? That's all it was. I mean, okay, sure. Blink, The Girl in the Fireplace, the Family of Blood, Silence in the Library, and Midnight. Those are good episodes in a vacuum, yeah. That doesn't change the overwhelming vibe of that whole era.
>>220031974>>220032073There's a comment on this video that perfectly encapsulates the end of the first RTD era;>The End of Time didn't feel like the Doctor regenerating. It felt like the TV Messiah dying for our sins.He became way too self-indulgent. Same thing that would plague the second RTD era, but worse.
>>220032183Hell I've argued with many people who say "Moffat kept making the Doctor a literal God" when Smith's series were literally tearing down that ideaAnd if I point out all the times characters told Tennant's Doctor that he was SO wonderful, SO beautiful, and all of the Christ-like imagery involved, they go "t-t-that's different!!!!"
>>220031954just randomly glosses over the biggest overarching plot piece of the whole show up to that point
>>220032183Honestly nothing RTD did was as insufferable as the whole "Doctor WHO?" thing. But Moff's problem was more other things like having so many big important speeches in his episodes by the Doctor.
Clara should have left in Last Christmas
>>220032312Moffat's personal failing is he wants the audience to thinks he's really clever, and some times he goes way too hard with his "LOOK AT THIS THEME! I'M DOING A THEME!" bit. Although Capaldi's little quirk of delivering lectures straight to the camera was kind of cute. I don't really mind that.
>>220032305If you're referring to Gallifrey, then something something the journey was more important than the destination.Moffat didn't anticipate Chinballs blowing it up (again) off-screen
>>220032433okay, but he glossed over the journey too.
Clara's stumpy swarthy legs
>>220031831Those cybermen were kino though.
>>220032370towards the end he did start to parody his own parody "the curse of fatal death" especially with the>well *I* traveled back in time further and bribed the architect firststuff still, regardless of how divisive it could be, it was still entertaining. Not something you could describe the following showrunners' output as.
>>220029388I'm just hoping the weeping angels get rebootedI think connecting them to Azal, Bok, and the Daemons would make them scary again
>>220032547the Cybermen don't need a catch phrase. They don't need to be more like the Daleks. That's not why the Cybermen are good.
Why did David Tennant ruin Doctor Who?
>>220032606I think it's more like RTD became smug about his success, and rested on his laurels. Also too many people told him he was a genius, and his writing was magical, and he believed it.
Remember when RTD brought back Omega except he was a skeleton monster that vored the Rani and was defeated in less than 60 seconds
>>220032560The Weeping Angels can just stay gone at this point aside from cameos. I actually think they were done decently in that Chibnall episode but it's like wheeling out an old horror monster, they're only scary once or twice.
>>220032661Yeah, Omega who literally didn't have a physical body in the original series, and was holding onto existence in an anti-matter universe through sheer force of will>what if he was a skeletonRTD is a fucking genius
>>220032671Was the feeding on energy thing in the original episode or was it just neck snapping and getting thrown into the past because lol get fucked?
>>220032755It was just feeding on potential energy from throwing people into the past in the original episode. There was no neck snapping at that point.
>>220031915The top autistic community running the huge wiki exported everything and moved elsewhere to have direct control over the website. The fandom wiki company then refused to delete their doctor who wiki and kept it going. The fan run wiki does not appear on google but the fandom corporate one does. So basically the autisti wiki got steamrolled right over. That being said, the autistic one is better.
>>220032800I literally never got how that worked as a thing. But fuck it. It's a borderline nonsensical high concept Stephen Moffat idea. You just roll with it past a certain point.
>>220032560The Weeping Angels are such a one-story concept. Two at most. There is not that much innately to their core concept to explore, meaning you either just repeat the same aspects or end up having to put a spin on it that undermines what originally worked about them. As for stuff like the Daemons, do you really? Beyond what I already said, if they fuck it up you are going to be like 'Why did they do this? They have fucked up both the Daemons and the Weeping Angels'. From a perspective of people who have no idea about Classic then bringing in all that stuff is meaningless to them, and if people are introduced to the Weeping Angels for the first time in some rebooted form then you are overloading them potentially with so much lore. Moreover, trying to connecting everything is a common mistake of franchises that just makes the setting feel small and/or removes the mystery that makes the thing interesting.
>Doctor Who>in 2026
>>220029388>AMC+a dead streaming service by a dead cable networkprestige!
>>220032704>>220032661They should have brought back Peter Davison as some sort of nightmarishly deformed Omega. Or you know, just do not bring back Omega.
>>220032868At some point I had no idea what was going on in that clusterfuck finale
>>220032868That would have been a potentially fun anniversary special. Find ways to cast all of the prior Doctors, but not as the Doctor. >Davison as Omega>C'Baker as Maxil (I think he died, but fuck it)>McCoy as Merlin? (With some ambiguity as to whether it's actually the 7th Doctor doing a bit)>Paul McGann as an out of work actor who went on holiday by mistake >Tom Baker voicing a robotic parrot
>>220033021The whole RTD2 is so retarded just on the basis it is supposed to be a new jumping off point despite: Tennant coming back is banking on RTD1; Donna coming back only has emotional value if you know RTD1; baiting Susan in such a way that only means anything if you know and care about the First Doctor; Celestial Toymaker, Sutekh, Omega, and Ranni sure could be brought back, yet they are all brought back so lazily as to be less a reintroduction and more about references to characters for people who already know them. Imagine what it must be like for someone who has no prior experience with Doctor Who.
>>220033114The Toymaker was kino though.
>>220033114In the first half of the finale they were supposed to have Susan talk to the Doctor via that TV screen, but they filmed a new scene with that homo burning in hell confessing his love for the Doctor or whatever. They still left a split second glimpse of the cut Susan footage, though.
>>220029749Nu-Who has been a blight right from the start. 8th Doctor was the last Doctor.
>>220034211Nuwho > classic who
>>220034376No way fag.
>>220033032All of those except McGann and Tom (he’s too egotistic to return anyway) sound great
>>220034517Grandpafag
>>220034604Tom returned for the 50th.
>>220034628One time exception he was sentimental after Sarah Jane passed too
>>220032547For as shit as the Whittaker era was, they had the best Cybermen design and shit going on of NuWho although the competition of Next Doctor, Closing Time and Nightmare in Silver wasn’t tough to begin with.
I don't follow the show anymore, but i do notice when important shit happens like when a doctor dies and changes and stuff, did they not air any new episode since the Rose reveal?? It feels like it's been years.
>>220034859Bbc can't afford to make the show and getting it funded in america has been a rollercoaster ride because it's not a popular show
>>220034859People keep saying she isn’t the Doctor even though the Doctor regenerated into her? I don’t know, this show is mega fucked and dead atp so it don't matter.
>>220034859Nope and I thought it had got cancelled because it was that bad. The Rose regeneration wasn't even planned, the fat gay retard running it decided to call in Piper and film that with zero fuckin idea what would happen afterwards.>>220035719I don't understand why any american company would have any interest, the IP isn't popular in the US because its just too different and theres no cultural relevance. Its more popular in europe generally after the UK.>>220035890See above, it was a last ditch effort by the fat faggot to have some control over the show.
>>220035890They haven't done all of the things that they usually do when they announce a Doctor, even one-offs like John Hurt so there's some bullshittery going on.
>>220036049>Its more popular in europe generally after the UK.Moffat made it more popular in America.
>>220036203Less Moff and more BBC America getting their shit together.
>>220036383Airing the new episodes the same day as the UK was a power move
Davros died in squalid conditions in a soiled nappy
I like The Sounds of Drums, I think it's an underrated episode.
How long has it been since>48 months
>>220032755>>220032800>>220032822People fawn over the zapping people back in time thing because it's "different" but it's fucking lame. There's no way to make a villain like that dangerous when your main character has a time machine. It just means you have to write absolute nonsense to justify why the Doctor cant save them, which is why the Rory / Amy Manhattan episode makes no sense.They started snapping necks in their second appearance (the two parter) because Moffat was aware of how retarded their zapping people back in time thing was, he even wrote an in-narrative reason for it (the angels were feasting off the crashed ship's radiation and were planning to feast on the crack's seemingly infinite time energy, no need for food so might as well kill anyone they come across).
I honestly find it difficult to imagine how Doctor Who could come back one day and be good.let's say it got cancelled and revived in 15 years time, it would've moved past it's current state but I think it would struggle to find an audience.It's a family show and that means it's intended to be watched as a family, the kids like the monsters, the women like the doctor and the men like the companions.The trouble is that families don't watch TV as a whole. I guess they could just pick an audience ie. just kids, or just women or nerdy white men. but that feels risky.
>>220036928>>220037035nur nur nur
>What's his secret?BPD (big purpled
>>220037145Tom Backer has that enegy when you can jell he has a Big Purple Dennis.
>>220037035The thing to remember is, regardless of what you may think about it from the start or what it became, that the success of the 2005 reboot was not guaranteed. A lot of people seem to take it as a given that it is as simple as just give it time and reboot it, and that such reboot will respark interest. it may well just be that the 2005 reboot was in the right place at the right time.
Big Purple Dennis meets Jonathan Ross was a 2-part comic story published in the first issue of BeanoMAX (a Comic Relief special). It continued the narrative established by the prior crossover, Big Purple Dennis the Menace in Balloonatics, and retained continuity with the rest of the issue. This included The Invasion of Bash Street, which had featured a cameo appearance by Jonathan Ross in a narrative mostly focusing on a Dalek's invasion of Bash Street School, leading to the second part of Big Purple Dennis meets Jonathan Ross having Ross reference his encounter with a Dalek.
What causes this?
>>220034604yeah, that was just McGann's character from Withnail and I. I don't know who you could get McGann to play, and have it be some kind of DW deep-cut.
>>220031211more like "excellently blue and tiny penis"
>>220037035What even is Doctor Who any more? I know that sounds like a retarded question to ask, but are the people say going to work on some hypothetical reboot however many years down the line going to be say thinking Doctor Who is 10th Doctor era? 11th Doctor era with Amy? some more look back to some period of Classic? etc. etc. and combination upon combination. And that is just whatever creatives, you also have what does casual audiences think Doctor Who is either now or let us say in 2041 when some reboot gets attempted?
>>220036822I agree!
>>220032842Every time I bring it up, I get walls of text which only serve to show how defensive of The Division this fandom is.
Greenis!
>>220037164I talk shit about nu-who because of what it became but it was a genuinely great achievement to not only revive a show (what had become a joke) and also make it a Phenomenon.In 2005 there was still a cohesive general audience, especially for a Saturday night. That barely exists now, I know that 'I'm a celeb' still gets people talking but that won't exist at all in another 15 years.>>220037271true but in 15 years I think people will only have faint memory of the 10th Doctor, if they are smart they'll do something new but with elements of that era to tease people back.
>>220037271What I think needs facing up to is at some point it just needs a complete clean reboot with a new different 1st Doctor, all the old lore (both classic and nu) swept out, and a fresh go at the concept. Whether anyone has the balls to try is another matter.
>>220037357they really just need to find an actor who is perfect, and has mass audience appeal. They need to stop hiring any old fucker just because they're a "first". The audience doesn't care.The audience on the whole likes David Tennant and Tom Baker, and they like them because they're highly charismatic personalities, and people who were likable outside of the role as well.
>>220037407Part of me agrees but: firstly, if all the culture and types of people working on it now are still there then you ultimately just get many of the same problems as now; and secondly, I can such see ideas (and importantly not the good ones) from Classic and Nu seeping back into it.
>>220037499I reckon it will just not be able to escape the original. You are going to get people comparing it to the original; and you are going to get people saying bring back x, do y as it was done previously, z adopt this fan theory. Additionally, I suspect there will just be an attempt to be too clever by half. Either it all becomes the worst type of mystery box premise where it goes "Doctor? Doctor Who? Let us answer that!" where it either strings it along or answers it, and both are just shit; or it becomes so autistically lore focused and lore building to the point of being determinantal.
>>220037499Yeah. Its why even if it does happen, I don't have much hope for it.I just think its played out.>>220037447has a point, getting in a good actor/actress helps, but as long as the writers and showmakers are the same crop we have now, there isn't much point getting hopes up.It might stand a chance if there is a really long break for a total clearout.>>220037611That's another good point, thinking>clean slate=>lets autistically detail every single thing in the most clever clever fart huffing manner possibleWould be worse than just continuing the series as it is
Motorbikes!
>>220029749>I CLAPPED! I CLAPPED WHEN THE DOCTOR MADE PSEUD POETRY INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY FIXING THE PROBLEM!!!!
>>220031218they were ripped off straight from the books and audios, that's why. in fact all the weakest parts of the series (and that includes all the unsubtle political comments) were precisely those added by RTD.
>>220037652At this point people just need to go>Doctor Who had a good run, and it is incredible it went on as long as it did.It is all unwieldly at this point to correct it. It is too mutilated, with too much baggage, and with no realistic way to resolve it. Attempting to reboot it has so many issues and challenges - just for one, even if you made it absolutely amazing, it could still fail to capture audiences and just dies after the first season. This is perhaps true for a lot of media stuff. It belongs to a different age, and maybe it could have continued yet it is just too damaged by this point. The sad state of affairs is not only have so many things been destroyed yet there is also nothing taking its place. So much of what we got know is either the corpse of some franchise, some name of some franchise being slapped onto something completely unrelated, or adaptations of something that is not new.
>>220037868About sums it up.
>>220037256Just as well Time Lords are asexual.
>>220037868the only way would be to radically change the format and accept to switch back to a true anthology format. the zero continuity would become a feature rather than a patch for the writers' laziness. but that would require to make almost no episodes on present-day Earth, and nobody wants that today because it has to be all about "inclusivity" and literal audience-surrogate companions.
>>220037652>That's another good point, thinking>>clean slateI would not say it is a clean slate even in a reboot. Inevitably too much of an idea of what Doctor Who is exists. It seems impossible to strike the balance between making it (in the broad sense) aligned with what Doctor Who is and should be, whilst at the same time avoiding all the risks of being too bound to what came before. Something such as the Time Lords and regeneration illustrate this. The Time Lords are only established at the every end of Second Doctor, prior to that the working idea seems to be more the Doctor and Susan are just future humans, and a lot of the Time Lord culture only really gets developed in the Fourth Doctor Era (then the stuff with what NuWho, including Timeless Child, did). Regeneration is originally 'renewal' with the switch between First and Second, it is only Third Doctor where the second heart gets introduced, if I remember correct The Deadly Assassin establishes the regeneration limit. I use these as illustrations to make the point that if you start a new continuity then they will either just copy/blend a lot of that stuff or they will have to go a completely different route, and with both options it becomes a what is the point if you either do everything basically the same or you you completely change it. Moreover, the show probably will pick a route of either basically just doing everything similar to before or consciously trying to be different to what came before - neither option exists in a vacuum.
>>220038298You're right, I was over-simplifying. A clean slate just isn't possible because of the saturation of existing past lore and as you said, the likelihood of going with the tried and tested route, or just re-doing everything for the sake of it, both become rather pointless with that in mind.
>>220037868I really think they should just try to make Doctor Who. Really not that hard. He's a funny old/middle aged man with a time machine. He's a time lord from Gallifrey and he's at least 900 years old.It's the easiest franchise in the world for just moving on from things people hated. No one cares about the TV Movie lore drops anymore. No one cares about Looms.
>>220038447>old/middle aged manUh, anon, I think you find they can be a woman and were originally so.
>>220038485huh? I don't think that happened. They made episodes after David Tennant? What?
>Emergency Programme One. Anons, now listen, this is important. If this post is activated, then it can only mean one thing: Doctor Who must be in danger, and I mean fatal. It's cancelled, or about to be cancelled with no chance of a second revival. And that's OK, both Classic and Nu had a good run. And I bet you're all arguing and shitposting now, typical. But hold on, and just listen a bit more. Doctor Who can never return. Emergency Programme One means the show is facing people that should never have gotten creative control of the franchise. So this is what you should do: let the show die. Just let this old British adventure show gather dust. No one can save it, no one will ruin it further. Let it become a strange little part of television history. And over the years, the world will move on, and the show will be forgotten by pop culture. And if you wanna remember Doctor Who, then you can do one thing. That's all, one thing. Have a good life. Do that for me, Anons. Have a fantastic life.
>>220038298you're missing an even bigger point. the Doctor was supposed to be human at the beginning. a human from a colony in the very distant future, but a human nonetheless. "Renewal" was supposed to be a technological process (that could thus be applied to a human).it's not clear at which point exactly the producers chose to switch to the Doctor being an alien in a human form. technically even the Time Lords as they appear in the War Games could just be advanced humans, and renewal is once again treated as technological. the only actual proof came with the infamous two-hearts radiography in Spearhead from Space, but we know that all that part of the story was recycled by Robert Holmes from a movie script draft. so it might be possible that Holmes asked the producers in pre-prod of S7 if he could show the Doctor as alien, and only at that moment did the producers decide to make the retcon.
>>220029388literal who for literally who
>>220032433To be fair, Gallifrey were always shits to Doctor Who in classic. So it's appropriate to have them instantly mess with him upon their return. It was RTD that mythologised them
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>>220038794that's not what I was annoyed about, so much as the degree to which Gallifrey is glossed over as a thing.They didn't want to do a real story with Rassilon or something? He just fucks off?
>>220038903Moffat wrote himself in a corner by announcing the Quest for Gallifrey™ in the 50th special whilst having no idea of how to develop it. so he did his usual trick of ignoring everything he just said and gained time, until the Time Lords finds the Doctor instead of the opposite. Clara was initially not supposed to be in S9 so suddenly she becomes more important than the TIme Lords themselves. as for Rassilon, he probably simply didn't want to repeat what RTD had done.
>>220038577Doctor Who will never get cancelled again, they are too scared of what happened in the past to do it again.
>>220029388https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcultbox.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fdoctor-who-circuit-breaker-news-coming-soon>black doctor>fugative doctor
>>220039094I mean, it doesn't have to be Rassilon specifically, but give me a story.The Doctor arrives back at Gallifrey finally, is hailed as a hero, blah blah blah, but then inevitably things go south. Some segment of the high council wants him confined or punished for all of the laws he's broken. There's a nefarious character lurking in the background. We set up some baddie timelords and goodie timelords, and we lay ground for the arcs of the next few series.
>>220038577>Emergency Programme One, or is it seven? I dunno, I lose track of these things. Now listen, this is important. If this program is activated, then it can only mean one thing: Doctor Who is dead, is that I too dramatic? This hologram should only be activated under the gravest of emergencies, like if I'm no longer around. Usually the show should adapt and respond to it's environment but this time the damage must have been so catastrophic that we're heading for another twenty years of Who drought. That would be disastrous. Woah, apparently you're annoyed with Russel Davies and think he should apologise for something? Now, Brave Heart, anon and don't get killed.
>>220039102>original series>could have easily lasted 30+ years>was axed down because of (mildly lefty) politics>still survived for 4 extra years against all odds>new series>could barely scrape 10 seasons (over 12 years)>is kept alive at all costs because of (woke) politics>has been running on vapors of fumes for 5 seasons (over 7 years) and counting
>>220039161>a new series of adventures spanning across multiple mediaYeah, that worked so well for Time Lord Victorious and Doom's Day.
>>220039326I miss Jodie. she was the only true Doctor in that entire shitshow.
>>220039353>Jodie's first season got higher numbers that half of Tennant and all of SmithBullshit
>>220039435It was a very rainy evening that day
>>220039435the first three episodes had crazy ratings because of the curiosity factor. then it plummeted, but that still raises the average.
>>220039485Most networks would've pulled the plug with Capaldi
>>220039485>Eccleston's ratings got worse over time>only Tennant's got significantly better over timeJesus. People truly have terrible taste.
>>220029749Show died when they decided to scrap the whole quest for Gallifrey and rush it in one season. The whole hybrid thing was so bad... but hey, at least he made it back and we got to say goodbye to Clara even if it was kind of weak. Not the best closure but it´s something. Searching for Gallifrey had a lot of potential for character development and losing that was a hit on itself but they didn´t even replace that with a different objective or motivation. It all became kind of aimless. To make matters worse Bill had no personality other than being black and gay. Even Martha was better. The one thing sustaining the rest of Capaldi´s run was his relationship with Missy... And then Chib took over and the impossible happened, things got even worse. The scripts, the aesthetics and style, everything. The show became unwatchable. And for what i´ve heard it didn´t stop even there; they doubled down on revising history, doubled down on blunt social and political issues and even started to retcon the Doctor´s origin to the point he is not even a timelord or something. If even half of that is true there is no saving it at this point. We all ignore 8th, on account of American´s involvement, but i guess it´s harder to ignore 5 full seasons that amount to like a decade of the show´s history. Lots of IPs have been trashed by woke politics beyond what´s reasonable has any other been destroyed to this degree?
>>220038577But muh Christmas Special
>>220039485What was the scheduling and promotion like for all of these in the UK? Was it consistent or did it vary drastically?
The amount of people who flat out didn't even watch episode 1 of Matt Smith is surprising too. I guess that's why so many people complain about him ruining the show. They weren't watching it.
>>2200395422 pointsIt started very high and a lot of people were filtered by the Slitheen
>>220039557The show was always woke.
>>220039485wheres the numbers for the latest regen
>>220039587I knew a lot of people at the time who said they wouldn't watch it without Tennant, they were DT fans not Doctor Who fans.
>>220039597The Doctor was always a black gay woman.
>>220039527indeed. by S10 the show was effectively done.>>220039542S4 actually had pretty mid ratings. Tennant was carried extremely hard by the specials having the best possible slots and good publicity stunts like Kylie Minogue.in hindsight this should have been the definitive proof that less is more and only doing 4 or 5 specials a year (more akin to Classic) would be a much better format, but everybody thought it was just because of Tennant alone and nothing changed.
>>220039557>>220039661I don't understand how anyone could thing the Timeless Child wouldn't scare away every fan. I knew diehards who tapped out here.
>>220039632>decide you're a fan of a 50 year old franchise where the gimmick is that the main character always changes>can't cope with the main character changing>somehow they missed the part where he already changed four years priorI truly detest these people. They're the worst faction of DW fandom by far.
Ncuti > Tennant
>>220039661She wasn't gay, she was in bed with Doctor Moon.
>>220039747At least Ncuti didn't try to mansplain to a transwoman of colour like Tennant did.
>>220039747>leaves companion to die while flirting with a bounty hunter in the TARDISTen would never! Actually he might...
>>220039632>show has a love story arc to emulate other popular YA shows Buffy and Smallville>love story arc ends on a definitive closure>"wait actually the show continues! please stay!">most teenage girls don't stay>pikachu_O_face.jpgwho could have predicted that changing a tried and tested format that had spanned 25 years only to please exclusively the teenage girl audience from 2005-2010 would not carry the show again for 25 years? nobody!
>>220039661No, she was a black interdimensional girl.
>>220039697and I knew ones who tapped with the Doctor becoming oogly.and ones who tapped with Day of the Doctor.and ones who tapped with Tennant leaving.etc…
>>220039839Teenage girls loved Smith too, they got more mad when Capaldi was cast.
>>220039938>fat neckbeards finally get le old doctor like the original series>has the most annoying companion in series historyI don't care that she was hot, damn you Moffaattt!!!
>>220039661At least she's less of a faggot than some Doctors.
>>220039986Clara wasn't that hot, she had a moonface.
>>220039986>le old doctorbeing old isn't enough. Moffat still made him a total wimp who bows down to his companions, in fact even more than the young ones.
>>220039597There are degrees. Generally speaking you can sell the message of accepting others for who they are as long as you are subtle, use subtext and avoid blunt propaganda. It´s not unreasonable to ask for a sci fi or fantasy show that it´s supposed to be about traveling through time and space having adventures on new planets and meeting different alien species to be about that. Like say you can show an alien species that has two horns but there is one of those aliens that has one horn so the others hate it because it´s different. There, discrimination without breaking immersion. It´s not rocket science. Even nu who always addressed homosexuality in a playful lighthearted manner with characters like Captain Jack Harkness making butt jokes. IDK how some people think that doing something like that is on the same level as having a whole episode dedicated to discussing pronouns or having a 10 minute coming out scene, a 5 minute gay sex scene or stuff like that. Those are fundamentally different. One of those allows a writer to express it´s views while respecting the fans right to not care for the message. Most people would accept that compromise. It´s not too invasive. Now when the writing is indeed invasive it´s obviously going to meet rejection, you watch Doctor Who to see the Doctor outsmart his problems and be silly, plus the occasional dramatic blow not to be preached about gender or seeing him wearing a skirt.
I prefer Doctor Who over Trek , because I am a Solipsist. I relate to the Doctor.
>>220040820the Doctor is a social wreck who needs to be constantly watched and schooled by his female companion who is better than him on every aspect except piloting the TARDIS (until she learns to do that too)
>>220040820See, back in the day, Doctor Who appealed to the nerdy kids with anarchistic tendencies, while Star Trek appealed to the nerdy kids with authoritarian tendencies.Now they're both chasing this mythical audience of gay black women who also like science fiction, and are spiraling into irrelevancy as a consequence.
>>220040894Makes sense. I love that the Doctor doesn't like to be tied down to anything.
>>220040894I guess Paramount and the Beeb forgot you can't buy DVDs and merch with food stamps.
Andies? What does that mean?
>>220041348And deez
8 > 10Charley > RoseLucie > DonnaTV Movie > The Christmas InvasionThe Chimes of Midnight > MidnightSolitaire > The GiggleScherzo > Wild Blue YonderThe Girl Who Never Was > DoomsdayTo the Death > Journey's EndThe Night of the Doctor > The End of Time
Freddie Mercury died in squalid conditions on an inflatable mattress in a soiled nappyBrian May died in squalid conditions on an inflatable mattress in a soiled nappyRoger Taylor died in squalid conditions on an inflatable mattress in a soiled nappyJohn Deacon died in squalid conditions on an inflatable mattress in a soiled nappy
>>220038298The worst instinct, and the one they probably would go for, is speed running introducing everything out of the mixture of wanting to be the one to set the template going forward and the view it is expected of Doctor Who to have X stuff. The people that bring it back would want to introduce the Daleks, Cybermen, The Master, several other enemies like the Weeping Angels to jump off earlier discussion, Time Lord society, and a bunch of other stuff. It would be what NuWho did but even more so. Then you will just get the next showrunner or producer / script editor that will probably try to redesign what is established because they do not like what the previous creatives did or they feel like they have to on some mistaken belief each new team should radically change stuff. Chances are it would just be a race to reintroduce stuff from both Classic and Nu, and whatever pillaging from extended media stuff, in a way that lacks new creativity or incremental refinement of established stuff.
>>220040888that's just a retarded moffatism
>>220041552Agreed on all except>TV Movie > The Christmas InvasionI’m sorry anon but that movie was dogshit, 8 deserved better.
>>220043345That movie was the best thing he ever done.
>>220031915tardis.fandom.com - The original but inactive wiki that gets the brand deals due to being ran by Fandom; doesn't even have any active admins let alone an editing basetardis.wiki - The 'official' wiki where all the editors moved too and isn't infested with ads, has something like 20k more pages; don't know the exact controversy that prompted the move but the Fandom-Disney+ deal happened immediately after so it was probably something to do with the admins refusing it
>>220040894Makes sense. The Doctor is by his natural individualistic in every incarnation, even the ones where he’s doing work for the Time Lords it’s almost never by choice. There used to be an old extra on the dvd of The Happiness Patrol (possibly blu ray too I haven’t picked up season 25 yet) where a writer or someone involved with the show even commented the Doctor was politically closest to a libertarian, which most of the faggy NuWho fans would never like to admit.
Why is /who/ so dead?
>>220045184There hasn't been a good episode in 9 years.
>>220045276Why not Doctor Falls?
>>220033032That's basically what they did back in Zagreus, casting all the old Doctors and companions they had as different characters.
>>220045334>“Winning? Is that what you think it’s about? I’m not trying to win. I’m not doing this because I want to beat someone, or because I hate someone, or because I want to blame someone. It’s not because it’s fun. God knows it’s not because it’s easy. It’s not even because it works because it hardly ever does.. I DO WHAT I DO BECAUSE IT’S RIGHT! Because it’s decent! And above all, it’s kind! It’s just that.. Just kind. If I run away today, good people will die. If I stand and fight, some of them might live. Maybe not many, maybe not for long. Hey, you know, maybe there’s no point to any of this at all. But it’s the best I can do. So I’m going to do it. And I will stand here doing it until it kills me. And you’re going to die too! Some day.. And how will that be? Have you thought about it? What would you die for? Who I am is where I stand.. Where I stand is where I fall. Stand with me. These people are terrified. Maybe we can help a little. Why not, just at the end, just be kind?” Kino desu
>>220043647The current Doctor is pro-freedom, right up until he has to resist a government or corporation, at which point he cries.
>>220045370Or gets called a filthy ape like in "Dot and Bubble"
>>220045365If the Doctor died at the end and didn’t regenerate it’d be the perfect Doctor Who finale imo. Anyone have an edit that does that?
>>220031462me neither
The Doc is gay as hell for not fucking with Nyssa.
>>220045449I would also like an edit without Bill randomly waltzing off with a lesbian space ghost and Master incest.
>>220045559Yeah true that was literally and figuratively very gay
It's sad because I was actually looking forward to the negro Doctor after the initial publicity photos with that leather jacket, and his first episode which he was pretty fun in. Then series 14 proper aired and he was extremely gay, wore a dress and cried a lot.
>>220040894TRVTH NVKE
I'm gonna get slaughtered for this but the Harriet harbinger doing that droning speech about all the gods with Susan Twist going insane was honestly pretty creepy seeing it for the first time. Who needs a lot more horror stuff like that.
>>220045722Pretty sure the design was based off Lenny Henry too
>>220045802slightly related but the seasons being cut down to just 8 episodes was fucking stupidthe finale comes up super quick and they have to rush the usual underlying story arc
>>220045449>there's an alternate universe where Eccelston came back to play the 9th/War Doctor in Day of the Doctor meaning Moffat didn't have to retcon the 11 regeneration rule in Time of the Doctor meaning that Capaldi would've been the final regeneration so the show could've ended with The Doctor Falls Makes me mad we're in the wrong timeline and no showrunner gives a fuck about canon.
>>220045722Yeah, I saw the pics and was like "maybe he'll be cool", and then I saw him in action and he was not.
>>220046052That or Smith could’ve just been given one addition regeneration and we didn’t need to have the le epic laser firing with orange lightbeams
>>220039578Drastically - obviously times change but I was a kid during Tennant era and EVERYONE watched it; I can still visualise the television advertisements for certain episodes - there was even a post show mini show on bbc 3 with 2 presenters and sometimes a side character from the episode you had just seen (obviously the main actors never had to do that shit) - there was even a fucking doctor who magezine that was in shopsIt feels like with internet and social media becoming more popular Doctor Who stopped advertising as much the traditional way and switched to online promo, but the fandom was just never the same
Me and my Toothy Red Haired Beloved traveling around in our TARDIS-like Contraption.Seeing her face light up at everything I can show her. Her being there makes everything more magical.This is why Dr. Who relates to me more than Trek.
>>220046418The Doctor Who Magazine has been a thing for decades, although it’s fallen off hard and all its writers do apologia for the dogshit show now when they used to just voice their actual opinion
>>220045276The Giggle is a masterpiece.
https://youtu.be/cvUc2HuGoto
doctor who
>>220046418Doctor Who was huge until Capaldi, I miss the hypehttps://youtu.be/GZ-7kb0NpQc
https://youtu.be/zCqDAga4WiIYou know he's right and that the show needs to die, right /who/?
>>220050299>Surprised Disney said yes in the first placeThe only reason the Disney deal happened is because they wanted the rights to Bluey and the BBC forced them to take Doctor Who too lmaoThey never had any interest in Who
If David Tennant had stayed we would already have season 3 at this point
>>220050688Hell yes sister
>>220050577This actually would make a lot of sense. Based Ausfags unitentional saving /who/
>>220040106And they didn't even let him swear. He's Malcolm Tucker ffs.
>>220052019It's a family show.
I want this to go on streaming somewhere, I'm about to buy all of it on Amazon Prime Video.
>>220039587As someone who initially dropped off after the first Matt Smith series, it's worth noting that a lot of the people who started watching with Eccleston/ Tennant as a kid would have been in their early/ mid teens by the time Matt Smith started and would have "grown out of Doctor Who" which is also why it was a good stopping point for a lot of regular viewers at the time
That one episode where Ncuti goes to a Nigerian barbers because he feels he only fits in around blacks and then he forgives the bad guy of the episode purely because he was black too.
>>220037285Still nothing to refute. It's boggling how anyone could conclude the Daemons are worse than Flux
>>220056548This is black mentality. You can do the most heinous shit to men, women and children but because you're the same color, it's all good.
What are some quintessential "doctor does nothing"-core episodes?
Which Doctor has the biggest penis?
>>220058293The Fugitive Doctor
>>220058293The American remake starring Thomas Jane
>>220056515You can never grow out of Doctor Who.
>>22005829311
>>220029749I only liked the first reboot doctor the rest were gay.
>>220057980I don't remember this episode, is the Master making him do this?
>>220059170Yeah
I still don't understand why Ncuti didn't bigenerate
Reminder according to modern reboots, there is no war on Skaro
>>220058089The Tenth Planet. Beyond regeneration that is. The Doctor basically says the Cybermen cannot win and disappears for much of the story (the real life reason is Hartnell was too ill and a lot of his dialogue got given to another character) to die. There is a plot in as much that it is effectively a prototype for what would become the base under siege type story of the Second Doctor, yet First really does nothing to defeat the Cybermen.
>>220058089Planet of the Ood.
>>220058089Blink
>>220057980did he just cum all over his bedsheets?
when will this man fuck off
>>22005808973 Yards
>>220060270He would have if they had David Tennant all over them.
NIK BRIG BEDSHITSTOUCH ASSOLECUM EVRYWHERE
They should go full roadman with the next Doctor. Represent the modern British yoot and ting.
>>220060374Then they should cast him as Tosin Cole.
I like the episode where the black guy defeats the bad guys by playing rap music.
I like the episode where the black guy suffers racist abuse and the old white guy defends him saying the black guy is his grandson.
I like the episode where the Pakistani woman walks into a place and gets called a Mexican.
I like the episode where the Doctor's old white male companion has to be the one to take Rosa Park's seat.
I like the episode where the 9th Doctor grooms an underage girl to be his perfect companion. (which didn't get greenlit)
I like the episode where Jordan Burling dies in squalid conditions in a soiled nappy
I like the episode where Captain Jack admits to stalking the same girl by watching her grow up.
If the 10th Doctor had an episode where he stalked an underage girl to make her the perfect companion for him his fans would love it. (or be jealous that the girl isn't them)
>>220045365>all that egotistical self-justification>stil end up doing less to actually fix the problem than any other incarnation would havethe ultimate pseud Doctor for pseud watchers who barely get better what the show is about than Tennant fangirls
He's been doing this for 5 years now btw, and mods still do nothingGood to see newfags haven't been giving him as much (You)s as usual though
>>220060892Why must every general have a resident schizo?
How's Big Finish these days?
I like the episode where the Doctor helps someone out with their depression but they just end up killing themselves anyway.
I like the episode where everyone's favourite Doctor almost gets killed by a bunch of white men but the black woman saves him before it's too late.
>people who unironically suggest ginger actors, every time we're due a new DoctorBros, it's a running joke, and it's not even that funny...They don't have to hire any old fucker, just because they happen to be ginger.
>>220060859It couldn't be fixed, all he could do was give the villagers more time to escape, DYEWTS
I like the episode where the Doctor spends 4 billion years trying to save his companion when he could have left at any time.
>>220061036The only thing I can say about it is that it's still received well overall, whereas everyone in general has given up on defending the show itself. Also their front page isn't covered in cheap fan service stories anymore, so maybe they gave it a rest after river song met each of the doctor's associates for the fifth time.
>>220061313How are the McGann audios these days? Las I heard was Dark Eyes, which started really good, and then just veered off into nothingness. I was so disappointed with that.
Big Finish really just needs a new Doctor of their own to inject some freshness into the whole enterprise again.I know they have played around with one-offs, but I'm talking something they can develop on a long term basis. I'm kind of crazy into the idea of a parallel timeline where the war didn't happen. Effectively light reboot classic era Doctor Who, with the Time Lords and everything still present in the universe, and the Doctor without all of his PTSD mopiness.
>>220061237my favorite part is how his imagined version of what the companion would say was completely different to what she actually said after they reunited
I think the idea of a clean slate is tricky, though, and muddier than it seems.Doctor Who is over 60 years old. It’s lived through the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s (barely), 00s, 10s, and is doing its best to survive the 20s. We’ve had 15 ‘mainline’ Doctors, with a bunch of fringe Doctors, such as War and Fugitive. My point is that there is now just so much Doctor Who. And with that comes the inevitability that there is too much of an idea of what Doctor Who is. Too much exists, and expectations are so solidly set.It seems somewhat impossible to strike the balance between making it (in the broad sense) aligned with what Doctor Who is and should be, whilst at the same time avoiding all the risks of being too bound to what came before.The Time Lords were established only at the very end of the Second Doctor’s era, six years into the programme. Prior to that, the general working idea was largely that the Doctor and Susan were just future humans, and a lot of what we know today as ‘Time Lord culture’ really got developed throughout the 1970s (and, later, NuWho would go to town and add lots of extra trimmings). Regeneration is originally ‘renewal’, and not regeneration as we know it, with that word only being introduced at the end of the Third Doctor’s run. The idea of a second heart only comes with the introduction of the Third Doctor. A few seasons later, The Deadly Assassin establishes the regeneration limit. I use these as illustrations to show that if you start a new continuity, it’s inevitable that it will be changed and blended along the way or you have to go a completely different route – and with both options it becomes a ‘what is the point if you either do everything basically the same or you completely change it.’ Neither option exists in a vacuum.more...
>>220061539The general idea of what Doctor Who is – the TARDIS, regeneration, Time Lords, the Doctor having two hearts, Daleks being the arch enemy, etc. – is firmly established. You can’t really do too much with it; it’s just set in stone. And if you do try and change it too much, you run the risk of pissing audiences off, or just arriving at ‘well this might as well be a different show then, if it’s not Doctor Who.’Even if the show suddenly reverted to a 2005-esque mission statement of ‘all new’, you have to wonder how long it’d be before the mixing in of the old stuff would begin, and the speed of this. We sort of experienced this with Series 11 – minimal nods to the past, barely any, but then Series 12 goes off a cliff with the amount of back references. The worst instinct, in my opinion – speed running introducing everything out of the mixture of wanting to be the one to set the template going forward and the view it is expected of Doctor Who to have XYZ stuff.It feels inevitable that the people making the show would want to reintroduce the Daleks, Cybermen, the Master, enemies like the Weeping Angels, maybe Time Lord society, and all the old hits. Basically, what NuWho ended up doing. Then you get another new showrunner or producer who has these re-established again and goes down the route of redesigning them, because they feel they have to put their own stamp on things or because ‘Doctor Who is about change’ (when, really, in essence, nothing truly changes).more...
>>220061539>>220061570>>220061570In some respects, I admire RTD2 for not just giving us Daleks, Cybermen, the Master, etc. right off the bat. There’s restraint there. Paradoxically, it seems odd to me that he didn’t at least throw the Daleks in (especially given the show was with Disney – and surely you want your most iconic foe involved to try and get bums on seats), but at least there’s a freshness to not doing so. But then the new RTD2 jumping on point begins with Tennant and Tate, which only has emotional value if you were around for Series 4, fifteen or whatever years ago, and then the Celestial Toymaker shows up. If we brush over that because, uh, hey, it’s the 60th anniversary woo, we get the fresh jumping on point (kind of, because Gatwa is awkwardly introduced mid-Giggle in a funky bigeneration gimmick) with Gatwa… except any new stuff feels quite surface level (the sonic gets a redesign; the TARDIS is given new lighting; Ruby is adopted but she’s still very much the NuWho companion template; UNIT gets some new characters; etc)… and then along comes the reintroduction of Omega, the Rani, another Rani, Kate Stewart, Mel Bush, Sutekh, the baiting of Susan (which, again, only works if you know who she is)… and here, have the 1970s logo slapped on the brand as well. more...
>>220061589So RTD2 essentially ends up as a weird mess of old/new, a blend which never quite gels, stuff gets lazily reintroduced more that it feels like references for older fans to point and squee at the screen. It doesn’t seem to know who the show is being aimed at, so the focus seems to be scattered. I sort of digress, but it showcases part of what I’m getting at. When RTD2 is looked at in a vacuum, it feels partly designed to be a show for newcomers, but then almost instantly it starts throwing old stuff into the mixing pot – why? Inevitability? Creatives worried they’ll lose the fanbase if they don’t chuck old stuff in? Is it just because this is what the world ‘expects’ of Doctor Who now? Is it because, let’s say RTD2 goes for ‘all new’ and does 2 Gatwa seasons of zero back references – they’re worried people will go “well, this isn’t Doctor Who!” What is it?Circling back a little – 60 years of this show means a lot of stuff has been planted, seeded, set in stone, and generations of viewers have expectations of what the show is. 20 years of NuWho have also set the template, and has rarely deviated from its own tropes and trappings. Only having 3 showrunners in that time doesn’t help the idea that the show has become stale, a victim of its own success, replaying its old hits over and over with a slightly new lick of paint. And any variations seem to be few and far between, fleeting, surface level – redesigning stuff, holding off a new Doctor’s TARDIS interior reveal until Episode 2 instead of Episode 1, Flux being a result of real world limitations rather than the original intent, etc. The formula is largely the same. Some will say the show just needs good character writing, but 20 years of NuWho (and a fair chunk of classic) has set the expectations that a companion will probably be a youngish woman, and the Doctor will generally be a man.
>>220061619The latter formula has been broken in recent years, and it has varied up the casting, but then you look to the character itself – the Doctor is almost like a Simpsons character, in as much as they can’t ever really evolve or change too much, because they’re always soft-resetting to what the character has been decided as being. 60 years of the show has ‘set’ this character in stone – no matter how much they deviate or explore, the character will snap back eventually. We’ve had funny Doctors, emotional Doctors, war-torn Doctors, serious Doctors, alien Doctors, more human-feeling Doctors, we’ve explored pretty much the entire spectrum. Everything has been done. Or any attempts to do something new, again, feel quite surface level.The show no longer has the real freedom to change the way it once did. The show, in retrospect, felt quite fluid throughout the 60s and 70s. ‘Lore’ as we know it today wasn’t fully baked in. The word ‘Gallifrey’ didn’t even exist until Season 11, and even then it was just casually dropped into a script. The show felt fluid, able to change. There are times when core fans railed against the show when it did dare to be bold – look to the way the Time Lords were presented in The Deadly Assassin, and the outcry of certain audiences because ‘hey that’s not what they’re meant to be like’ (looking back to The War Games). And that was 10 years into the show’s existence. We’re now 60 years in. Everything has been baked in five-times over since then.
I do not typically check out these threads on Doctor Who. What is with all the schizo stuff. Why is there now a guy rehashing posts of earlier anons?
>>220061619>>220061634If the show decided to have a clean slate, clear the board and start over, how long would it be until the showrunner / audiences / BBC thought ‘this isn’t quite Doctor Who without…’ and then the slow drip-feed of old stuff begins all over again. RTD1 had a very unique ability in this regard – the first proper show relaunch, after years off air, so they were able to reconfigure the show as being brand new and ready for a new century, and slowly but surely reintroduced older elements with new purposes and angles. Daleks in Series 1. Cybermen in Series 2. The Master in Series 3. All slowly reintroduced for a new generation of fans. But here we are, 20 years into the revival series, and the world and their mothers know what all of these things are, and now have expectations of how they’re played in the show, and what the requirements are for Doctor Who to be Doctor Who. So it’s tricky if you bring in the notion of a clean slate, because where is the line? Can there even be a line? Would it piss people off if the show tried to forge ahead with all new stuff, only retaining the Doctor and the police box, for a few years? Or would ratings dip and the reversion to fanwank begin again? Are producers and the BBC in a position to try this, and stick at it, or do they require Doctor Who to ‘be’ Doctor Who, which now comes with its hefty book of what’s expected?END
>>220061539you're overthinking it. There's a collectively agreed upon baseline for the franchise, even if things like Gallifrey didn't technically become solidified as part of the lore until the 70's.The Doctor is a timelord from the planet Gallifrey, he is hundreds if not thousands of years old, he has two hears and possess the power of regeneration (which means he cheats death by taking on a new body and personality, and not that he becomes two people), he has a Tardis that looks like a police box, and a sonic screwdriver, he travels with all kinds of people but generally attractive young women, He has an anarchic and freedom loving attitude, a sense of scientific curiosity, and is something of a reluctant hero. That's Doctor Who. They can literally just make that.
I like the episode where there is a Dalek killing people on Earth and show a long scene where the black guy meets up with his father who ran away from him.
>>220061669t. didn't read my whole essay
>>220061212the 5th Doctor easily fixed the problem in the original audio that Moffat ripped off. the 12th Doctor himself wiped millions of Cybermen from the face of the Earth without hurting civilians two seasons before. oh wait no, somebody else did it for him... maybe that's a part of the problem too.
>>220061638Reads like it has been put through a LLM.
>>220061196They did with Ncuti
>>220061703I'll read it later.
>>220061736>any paragraphs of text must be AI generatedretard
>>220061764your dyslexia is kicking in.
>>220061770It does when it is copying other posts in this thread and tweaking it.
>>220061736LLM? What does that mean?
>schizo is still alive and kicking after a decade
>be moffat>write 100 episodes of doctor who>mostly shit>end own era with kino towards the end>sit out chibwho>return to write Joy to the Worldwhat did he mean by this
>>220061838>>220061812>>220061671>>220061669Andies!
>>220061853>implying the Hybridis wasn't kino
>>220061770AI? What does that mean?
>>220061888>>end own era with kino towards the endseries 9 and 10 are towards the end
>>220061711black hole time dilation physics made those things not possible
>>220061918RTD > SM
>>220061853at least boom was good desu
I feel the general attitude going forward should be "write a good story, and then put the Doctor in it". Maybe the Doctor isn't even always the main character, Maybe he's just kind of there.The franchise as it stands has definitely become too much of a production line format. Effectively I'm asking them to adopt the mentality of the VNA's, but hopefully with a better sense of quality control. Writers should be encouraged not to bring shit back, and not to use old villains. If I had my way, I'd put a full ban on any returning villains for like three years, and a full ban on the idea that the Doctor solves everything with a speech and by pressing a big red button.
rtd1 was shitrtd2 probably was shit didn't watch lol
>>220061934Nuh-uh. SM > RTD > CC. Motorbikes!>>220061937desu? what does that mean?
>>220061934if you're a retard
>>220061838which one is schizo.
>>220061949VNA? What does that mean?
>>220061934Nu-uh
>>220061949>Maybe the Doctor isn't even always the main characterok saward
>>220061853Does seem like Chris was the guy in the group who no one was really friends with, doesn't it?
>>220061949>I feel the general attitude going forward should be "write a good story, and then put the Doctor in it". Maybe the Doctor isn't even always the main character, Maybe he's just kind of there.I agree but this is BBC slop, the DOCTOR WHO franchise brand whatever, they probably require him to be the lead in his own showbut the focus has been too much on him/her/their/it latelyno doubt they'll demand the doctor be front and centre for 'the kids' too even though its just autist 27 year olds left
NUUUUUUURSE>>220062004
>>220061994Or everyone's favourite episode: Blink.
I rewatched The Lazarus Experiment tonight. It's funny that it aired the same weekend as Spider-Man 3 came out because it really felt like a lowkey rip off (homage) of Raimi Spiderman.>lab experiment gone wrong plot>weird CGI creature chasing the quipping Doctor>Martha hiding secrets from her mum parallels Peter hiding his identity >Old lady who looks like Aunt MayVery weird mid-tier episode but man does Mark Gatiss carry it hard. I don't rate him as a writer but he is a great actor and he sells Dr. Lazarus as one of the most memorable RTD1 villains without hamming it up too much. He out acts Tennant which is rare, especially in Series 3.
>>220062032CGI? What does that mean?
>>220062038Nappy poo attack!! Nappy poo attack!!
>>220061958baka
>>220062016Early thread.
>>220062163Doesn't even have a subjectHopefully that's enough for mods to finally ban the fucker given how tetchy they get about spammers leaving their containment generals, but I doubt it
>>220062162onions
>>220061922again, even bumbling Fivey found a way around that.
>>220061949>"write a good story, and then put the Doctor in it"RTD unironically think his political dramas are good stories.>Maybe the Doctor isn't even always the main character, Maybe he's just kind of there.exactly what happened in the last two seasons.
>>220061994 ok saward based desu. man heard "the Doctor shouldn't be the main character" and immediately greenlit 4 episodes of corridor politics and a companion having a nervous breakdown. saward walked so blink could run. half the fandom only tolerates it because it's moffat and the weeping angels are tumblr-bait. if it aired in 85 you'd all be calling it "continuity-wanking filler" and demanding perry scream more. doctor-lite works when it's actually something different. the problem is nuwho keeps doing "doctor-lite" because they blew the fx budget on a cgi fart cloud and need tennant off-screen for 30 minutes.
