why do people hate this movie? I thought it was pretty entertaining
>why do people [ OP MAKES UP A LIE ]Don't reply
>>220402475Do they? It's probably only self hating white people that hate it, or shitlibs that hate Mel Gibson, and your random historical accuracy autists probably dont like it either. Most people here loved it. t. mexican
>>220402498why not, you have to throw in a little bait if you don't want your thread to die now. this website is sadly dying
>>220402475The haters are people who won't accept that life before the arrival of the Spaniards was so bad that many of the leaders there decided to side with them because they were tired of being brutalized.There are still families descending from inca noble houses in the Andes, which survived because those families betrayed the incas and fought for the Spaniards along their armies.
>>220402515>self hating white people that hate it, or shitlibs that hate Mel GibsonThis is literally it. Only IRL people I've ever heard criticize it are white libs, one of whom was a "hispanophile" and so felt it was her "duty" to do so because it's raycist.
I'm a huge Mesoamerica sperg who's always eager to lecture people about the subject, but I don't hate the movie. I think that people should realize it's complete fiction, and the people who try to claim it's historically accurate should be strung up by their necks, but a movie doesn't have to be historically accurate to be good.
Why do people tell obvious lies on 4chan?
>>220402589I never understood why americans were meme'd into thinking native americans were peaceful tree hugging hippies. They were brutal as fuck to each other before europeans arrived. >>220402589Same here with the Aztecs, many tribes (especially Taxcaltecans) were quick to ally with the Spanish in order to bring down the Aztec empire that had subjugated them for so long. The Spanish gave these Tlaxcaltecans lands, tech, horses and used them in their own military campaigns afterwards. They even took some of them to the Philipines in later years, where they fought with the spanish against japanese pirates.
>>220402498>>220402515>>220402589>>220402603I hated this movie. AMA.
>>220402804What did you hate about it and why?
>>220402819It felt Jewish and Talmudic
>>220402823>mel gibson>jewishLol. Lmao even
>>220402804why don't you stop sucking dicks?
>>220402860Who said anything about Mel Gibson?
>>220402874kill yourself
>>220402475Who hates it
>>220402884very jewish response
>OP trying so hard to keep the thread alive with samefaggingHoly shit. Get over it. Make a new one with at least a few
>>220402823>>220402874>Retard
>>220402939Gibson? More like asks for gibs for his wife's son!
>>220402890I re-watched it today and then read about it on the internet. The criticism can be found even on the wikipedia article. mainly it's what >>220402515 said.
>>220402475was anyone in this movie named apocalypto? if yes, why did they call him that?
Shit libs who can't handle the fact that pre-modern people were violent cannibals who enjoyed human and animal sacrifice and weren't peaceful, agrarian hippies. FYI human sacrifice was prevelant in most pre-bronze age societies.
There was a Twitter thread some days ago with people misinterpreting the ending. They think that the arrival of the Spaniards meant things would become worse, when they were about to become better for them with the arrival of Catholicism. The first groups were soldiers and conquerors, but once priests and scholars arrived, things changed and many of their ancestral inhuman customs were abolished. For the average white lib, this is impossible to accept because, for starters, proves that pre - Hispanic populations could be civilized and they can adapt, while all the work done by other groups in Africa had failed because Africans are retarded. When the Spanish met the local American population, they saw potential due to their developments in architecture and engineering. Sub-Saharan tribes still were living in cages.
>>220402953Mel is absolutely rekt. You went to far anon. He may never recover.
>>220403285It's good that you're so open-minded about foreign invaders re-arranging societies, you'll have a good time adapting to your new Muslim rulers.
>>220403285personally I thought the arrival of the Europeans in the end was shown to explain that everything that happened before happened before European interference
>>220403285>when they were about to become better for them with the arrival of Catholicism>"in the first century after European contact, the population of Mexico decreased by approximately 80-90%"
>>220402498Based
>>220403483this I took it as a "you gotta be fucking kidding me, im out" vibe.
I deserve a wife like this.
I didn't watch this in theaters because someone in my friend group was Jewish and refused to go. I'm still mad.
>>220402498Got his ass.
>>220402755>>220402498There are legit people who hate on it tho
>>220404233>I deservewhy?
>>220402475Mel was Hollywood's public enemy after The Passion of Christ.
I didnt know people hated it
>>220402475WTF are you talking about? Every time this movie is mentioned most anons acknowledge that it's kino
>>220402589>>220402764I mean, I'm down with anyone who's down with tkd, regardless of how much I dislike them otherwise, so I get it.>>220403285>They think that the arrival of the Spaniards meant things would become worse, when they were about to become better for them with the arrival of CatholicismUh huh, right.... because the inquisition is remembered for how well people were treated >>220404251Jews hate brown goyim more than they hate any other goyim
Mesoamerican history autist hereIt's a good movie in isolation, but it really is shit in terms of historical accuracy, both in terms of the granular specifics and the movie's basic foundation: Even putting aside shit like X or Y thing being anachronistic, the entire way it frames and presents Maya society on a fundamental level is just totally incorrect. I went into this in more depth yesterday:>>220387735 >>220391017Also, if any anons were in that Chel thread are here now, tell me, as there were some posts I never got to reply to before it 404'd, I was especially interesting in finishing my reply to >>220391935, as well as answering/replying to >>220391960 >>220391998 >>220392149 >>220392126 , if those anons are here.>>220402589No, you and >>220402764 misunderstand why states (not "tribes", re: the second anon's post: These were city-states, kingdoms, and empires, see >>98024724) allied with the Spanish.Sacrifice was a widespread practice in Mesoamerica (and to an extent in the Andes where the Inca were at), it wasn't something forced by capitals onto their subjects and vassals. Apocalypto fucks this up by ironically trying to SANITIZE and whitewash the Maya of the small village (the opposite of what it does with the big city), by presenting them as some eden-like innocent simple noble-savages, in reality they would have had the same beliefs around sacrifices as the larger cities (tho only the latter may have actually preformed them)Tlaxcala (again, a state, not a tribe: It rivaled the largest cities in Castilian Spanish cities at the time, it was ruled via a formal senate etc, see pic) and other states which allied with Cortes against the Mexica of the Aztec capital didn't do so because of sacrifices, or because Aztec rule was especially brutal (it wasn't): They did it to gain or to hold onto political status and power, and while the Andes isn't my area, I suspect the Inca dissidents who sided with the Spanish there had similar motives1/?
Say what you will about Mel Gibson, but the son of a bitch knows story structure.
>>220402475This movie is awesome, anyone who hates it must be a retarded idiot moron douchebag
>>220402718the spirit of the film is accurate.There were chest-cutters living in fear of the gods brutalizing each other as the Spanish arrived.
>Why do people hate this movie that is generally well liked?
>>220403821>i know as much about viruses and diseases as people from the 1500sWe know, indio.
Why wasn't this in the movie?
>>220406484Everything is hated by someone, anon
>>220402475its mostly hated by subtitle hating americans
>>220406882>>220402589>>220402764Ack, here's the fixed link clarifying on how Mesoamericans were city-states etc rather then tribes: >>>/tg/98024724Cont:The Mexica of the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan were militaristic conquerors, but they didn't usually sack/raze cities or massacre or mass-enslave their populace (tho they did at times). Also, once in charge, their rule was typically hands off, leaving existing kings, laws and customs in place (see pic), so they could continue to self-manage, provided they paid taxes of economic goods (not usually of slaves or sacrificial victims), labor or military service, didn't block roads, put up a shrine to Huitzilopotchli, and did other basic obligations. This kind of loose rule was actually common in Mesoamerica, as the lack of draft animals and rough terrain made long distance administration difficult. Actually, Classic Maya dynasties likely replaced rulers more often (tho the Mexica did do so with unruly kings, or at times with states closer to/within the empire's core, where the Mexica would use political marriages etc to gradually get influence in local affairs), and the Purepecha Empire to the west did have a directly governed imperial model, so even within Mesoamerica the Mexica were not particularly onerousIronically tho, this loose administrative style left subjects with their own identity, agency, and interests, giving them both the ability and incentive to opportunistically secede, defect etc, especially when their capital was in a weak position and they felt they could get away with and benefit from it. You'd often see a state allying or pledging themselves to a second state (as subjects mostly got left alone), so both could then work together to take out their capitals or rivals, then the first state would have high status within the new kingdom/empire they helped prop up for the second stateThat maneuver is how and why Cortes got most of his allies, as evidenced by a few things...2/?
>>220403285Where did you learn such good English, Juan Pablo?
>>220407968>Huemac then told the allies that the women we're not fat enoughThese niggas skills came nowhere close to modern architecture
>>220405677Tarantino, Scorsese, Spike Lee all love it. Salon having a woke review doesnt mean it was unpopular
>>220409685It does. It's unpopular. Everyone hates it except me.
>>220409614You're really soft-soaping the human sacrifice on an industrial scale, the priests dressed in cloaks of human skin, and all that other shit y'know.
>>220409713>human sacrifice is....le bad!!!grow up
>>220409614>>220402589>>220402764Cont:>as evidenced by...Firstly, again, this was common in Mesoamerica: The Mexica rose to power that same way: after Azcapotzalco, whom they were subjects to, was destabilized by a war of successon, Texcoco and Tlacopan allied with Tenochtitlan/the Mexica to overthrow it, and after they became secondary capitals within that new Aztec Empire. And even after the Aztec fell, other Mesoamerican states continued to ally with the Spanish to take out their rivals (And as the Mexica served in armies in later Spanish campaigns, by allying with the Spanish, those states may have fought WITH the Mexica)Next, most states who allied with Cortes only did so after Moctezuma II died and Tenochtitlan was hit by smallpox, when their influence was weakened and they were vulnerable. Most of those allies were also in the same valley as Tenochtitlan (pic), so they benefited (to a degree) from Mexica conquests due to the taxes they brought in and their political marriages. By the time they switched sides, they just had less to lose and more to gain by defecting, as those benefits were already in jeopardy. Last, only a few Aztec subjects defected to Cortes, most didn't, and many only switched sides after being beaten and forced to, or conditionallyTlaxcala specifically DID resent the Mexica and joined Cortes from early on, but thats because the two were actively at war then, it wasn't an existing subject. People mistakenly project it's motives onto other states like Texcoco, Chalco, Xochimilco etc who were primarily motivated by opportunism, tho even Tlaxcala was in part trying to gain power, the others did had some grievances with the Mexica etcFor more info see pastebin.com/h18M28BR & arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/640670498/#640679139 & desuarchive.org/his/thread/16781148/#16781964 and desuarchive.org/int/thread/220614413/#220624574 & desuarchive.org/k/thread/64935126/#64961571 and many of my posts in desuarchive.org/k/thread/64434397/#644697143/?
>>220409677What do giant asses have to do with architecture?
>>220409838Cont:>>220403179The Mesoamericans 100% did do cannibalism and human sacrifice, but they also were functional high societies (See the Spanish saying so in pic related, >>220402589 , >>220402764 and >>220407171 should also look at the pic). The issue with Apocalypto isn't it showing sacrifice and cannibalism, that's fine, it's that it doesn't show the Maya as a sophisticated civilization despite itOn one hand you have a tiny village as this idealistic anarcho-primitivist utopia that's somehow never even heard of farming or big cities when it's in the middle of a urbanized interconnected cradle of civilization that had cities and agriculture for millennia. Then on the other the big city is a dystopian hellscape that's basically a sadistic theme park ride of things that seem to exist just for the sake of causing suffering or being creepy. And visually everything is made to look as poorly crafted, dilapidated, and dirty as possible, with many outfits not resembling anything the Maya actually woreAnd that's without even getting into the granular errors like X or Y architectural style being anachronistic and shit like that. As I explain in >>220391017, you COULD make en epic political drama that like Apocalypto, features the the Maya, tons of sacrifice, a dark tone and depicts the moral and physical decline of a civilization; but while conveying and taking advantage of the fact these were sophisticated states with actual political institutions, a social fabric, and that shows humanized people who have a stake in their own community: It'd make the collapse hit even harderInstead it shows two over the top caricatures (one idealized, one demonized, both extra primitive) that are so inaccurate it'd be comical, if not for people being so ignorant about Mesoamerica that they think it reflects reality>pre-bronze ageThe Mesoamericans smelted bronze, and even before they did, they already had cities as as big or bigger then Bronze age Mesopotamia4/?
Based Mel showing what a civilization which is ignorant to Christianity looks like
>>220403285>Woketards be like living in a stone age society where they flay people alive and wear their skins and cut out peoples hearts to appease the sun god is good actually.
>>220409685Problem is that 4-5 people saying they "liked it" isn't as strong as explicit reviews which explain in detail why it sucked. Starting with historic inaccuracies and concluding with the sugarcoating of Christian conquest. Plus - as many people here already stated - Mel Gibson was on parole in the book of many critics since Passion of the Christ.
>>220403821That would have been the result of contact with the rest of the world anyway, however else it panned out, it was a fait accompli.
>>220411202yeah because satanic or anything that's not God worshipping is ok for hollywood.Guess why
>>220403821>>220411273The biggest problem with blaming white people for everything is that's completely ignoring that these massive shifts in population only happened during contact with a foreign civilization. When in fact massive wars, pestilence, famine due to climatic shifts (volcanic erruptions) tool place over the entire history of mankind. Europe lost between one third and two thirds of population to plague, in some regions it was as high as 90%. Yet nobody is blaming it on foreign conquestors who brought illness to their places.Take for example the people of Rapa Nui where it's pretty much consense today that there we're massive shifts in population before white people came to those places.
Cont:>>220409713I already said in >>220406882 & >>220411078 that sacrifice was widespread in Mesoamerica. It's BECAUSE it was common that I don't talk about it much the post you're replying to, as Tlaxcala and the other states who allied with Cortes also did sacrifices, so it's dumb to claim they allied against the Mexica for their sacrifices: They all did themAlso, implying i'm trying to gloss over sacrifice is ironic, as I gave Apocalypto shit in my first post for having sacrifice as something just the big city did/forced onto the small village, when it was really universal religious concept the village should've also hadAgain, Apocalypto isn't just exaggerating how bad the larger city is, it's also sugarcoating (+ primitive-izing) life in the small village as being free of the toils of complex society or stuff like sacrifice, to show a simplistic noble-savage Eden, to contrast how sadistic and hedonistic it depicts Urban Maya life as. Again, neither are accurate (compare the film's village to pic, tho this is Aztec, not Maya)What would be "spiritually accurate", to reply to >>220407171, would be to show even the small villages as having challenges and responsibilities from sharing the same practices (like sacrifice) as the larger cities, and from having political and economic obligations to them; and to present the big city as it's own functioning metropolis with courts, markets and infrastructure that exists to facilitate the lives of normal people, not the city being a big macabre torturous theme park ride Again in >>220391017 I explain how a film could do that while still keeping many Apocalypto elements>industrial scaleI mean, the Mexica did it the most , likely sacrificing 100s to 1000s of people a year. It's a lot, but less then what many people claim they did or what you seen in various Medieval religious conflicts, let alone industrial era genocidesIt's already a ghastly amount of killing, so why the need to exaggerate it further? 5/?
>>220409713its the 15th century the violence in human sacrifice was not out of place in the world at the time at all, human sacrifice is cool too in religion and the worldamerica aborts 2k children a year and engages in more human sacrifice than Aztecs and Latinx ever did
>>2204118742k children a day*same as European yts they gladly kill and aborteed tens of thousands of their own a year and wonder why their tfr is sub 1
>>220402475I thpught it woupdve been funny if at the end they just stumble into some brazillian loggers who shoot them
>>220411846Cont:>>220411273>>220411585My understanding is the degree of population collapse we see in history wasn't necessarily unavoidableFirstly, the impact of diseases was exacerbated by the conflicts, political instability, enslavement, displacement, and drop in sanitation standards (from the introduction of livestock, and as the Mesoamericans had very high hygiene standards (which is part of why Apocalypto looking so dirty is such a problem) that weren't kept up when the Spanish took over, in fact the Crown banned certain types of bathes for Indigenous people after a while from fears of them acting as hookup spots and ties to Prehispanic religion)For example, this paper: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110519091637.htm also points out that at least in the Andes among the Inca, you actually see populations rebound from initial outbreaks, only for the population to get worn down against from subsequent repeated outbreaks and colonial labor demands and other struggles brought on by the Spanish Secondly, it's not even actually totally clear that most of the population loss was from diseases that the Spanish brought: The initial Meaoamerican Smallpox epidemic killed (at least in the estimate I'm going off of right now) "only" around 1/3 of the population. The rest of the losses in Mesoamerica were from later Cocoliztli outbreaks, and the jury is still out on what exactly that was and if it was something from the Old World or if it was native to the Americas>>220411202>>220403285>>220403483>>220404196I don't know why people think the ending needs to be either a black or white "Things are about to get worse" vs "Things are about to improve". Can't it be a more nuanced "Things are about to change", meant to evoke both the devastation (via the diseases the movie foreshadows and conflict involved the region's colonization) AND the salvation it will bring to end the horrors the film spent it's runtime showing?6/?
>>220402475It depicts south Americans as being 2000 years behind a basic European country like Spain.Leftists hate it
>>220412106>>220411202>>220403285>>220403483>>220404196Cont:Of course, I think the movie fails at being nuanced, generally, but I don't think the ending comes off as either purely negative or positive, so much as ominous, or I guess maybe as "deserved retribution"(Not that the "the horrors the film spent it's runtime showing" that would be getting "deserved retribution" actually happened as the film shows it, Again, as I'ved tried to explain in my posts, they did do sacrifice, but not the way the movie presents it, and they had an actual functional society too)>Stone ageAs I said in >>220411078, they smelted bronze, and even before they developed Bronze, they already had giant cities beyond what Bronze age Eurasia hadEX: Teotihuacan predates ANY metallurgy in Mesoamerica and rivaled large Roman cities at it's peak from 200-500AD: it had ~100,000 people across a ~18 sqkm planned urban grid, (so in the top 15 largest cities in the world, actually wider then Rome by area, and Teotihuacan's full expanse arguably covered an even larger 37 sqkm, which would make it more populated too), who almost all lived in fancy palaces serving as apartments, with dozens of rooms, open air courtyards, painted frescoes and some with running water, drains, toilets, etc (like if Roman plebs shared Villas rather then Insulae), There was even a massive arena, the Ciudadela (pic) they could flood with water for rituals (like the Roman Colosseum) Meanwhile, the largest Bronze age city, Uruk, which had 40,000 people and only covered 4 square kilometers (tho I have seen some sources say it had more like 90,000 if you count some adjacent settlements as part of the city, but if you do that you'd probably have to count Teotihuacan's larger 37sqkm mapped zone)The entire concept of "stone/bronze/iron ages" is dumb to begin with, they literally just started out as a way for 18th century museums to in Eurasia to sort their artifacts before they had proper dating methods....7/?
>>220412403>>220411202Cont:...It was never intended to be a system of tech stages all societies move through, and it doesn't work for that. Again, Teotihuacan existed before Mesoamerica had bronze, yet there were also some African tribes that smelted steel without ever inventing bronze, but still lived in simple villages. How do they fit into the system? It's dumb>>220411114See pic in >>220411078, the Christians who colonized them would disagree that Apocalypto is accurate. Christian friars often praised the Mesoamerican's sense of morality, ethics and virtues, especially their discipline, moderation and piety. Multiple friars lamented that they wish their Spanish students were as devout as their Indigenous converts or how committed they had been to their prehispanic pagan religionHappy to post additional quotes past what's included in the image to prove it>>220402718I don't think media "need" to be historically accurate, but as I explain in >>>/his/18462246 for historical media, IMO ideally you should do research and use what would be accurate as the starting point before you put your own creative spin on it, rather then not bothering to do research, so your creative liberties were done with intent, not out of ignoranceTo be fair to Gibson, my impression is he DID do research, and choose to go in the direction he did on purpose: He clearly has a specific vision and thematic message, and I do respect that.The problem is that that vision still butchers the setting, and most people don't know enough about Mesoamerica (and tend to have a dim enough opinion of it) that they take what Apocalypto shows at face value as being accurate, rather as pure fiction. It's not really Gibson's fault that the average person knows jack shit about Mesoamerica and has no existing frame of reference or knowledge of the topic to use to distinguish the facts from the fiction with, but the end result is still that the movie is responsible for spreading a lot of misinfo8/9
>>220402475mesoanon, ain't nobody reading that shit. people on /his/ don't even read it.
>>220412469Cont:>>220412338Anon, learn some basic geographic, the Maya are in Southeast Mexico, Guatemala, Belize and Honduras, wheras South America very clearly starts much further south where Colombia meets Panama: The Movie takes place in North America, or Central America if you prefer depending on how you define it The division between South America and North/Central America is literally the most obvious and clear-cut land based continental division on the planet, there's no excuse to get that mixed up>as being 2000 years behind a basic European country like Spain.As you can see in the quotes in >>220411078, the Spanish themselves, as well as some German, Italian etc chroniclers and artists of the time, did not agree with this, and considered the Mesoamericans, though especially the Aztec moreso then the Maya etc, to be rivals of Greece and Rome or contemporary Spain, Italy etc in terms of art, architecture, social order etc.As I've explained throughout the thread and in the links I gave to my posts in a prior thread here >>220387735 and >>220391017 , the movie is not accurate>>220412502If even one person reads them and learns something it'll have been worth the effort.--------------------And for now, I am done, as a reward for putting up with me infodumping and giving in depth atuistic replies, have a cute girl. (specifically, Chel from El Dorado in a huipil blouse inspired by a mural found at I believe the Maya city of Calakmul)If the thread doesn't 404before I wake up tomorrow, I can answer people may have about Mesoamerica and I promise to post more art of Mesoamerican women alongside each post to entice people to ask questions9/9 for now
>>220412338Muh leftists
>>220412559ummm where does el chapo fit into this
I hope mesofag is aware he's actually making people hate precolumbian history now because of association with his cringe behaviour.But he won't be aware because he's obviously autistic.
>>220412559As a former effortposter on /his/, I appreciate your work.
>>220412403>The entire concept of "stone/bronze/iron ages" is dumb to begin with, they literally just started out as a way for 18th century museums to in Eurasia to sort their artifacts before they had proper dating methods....It's important to acknowledge that you perspective on this comes purely from an emotional place and not one that's relevant to understanding cultures or technological progress.The ability for certain mesoamerican cultures such as the aztecs and mayans to implement things large population centers, stone architecture, city planning and/or rudimentary hydro-engineering in isolation from all the other technologies that would normally be seen prior or in parallel e.g. metal tools and weapons, formalized writing, advanced animal husbandry, mathematics, engineering etc. means that they are outliers and aberrations compared to how technology and civilization progressed everywhere else in the world. It's not practical to try to reorient how civilizations are categorized based on the handful of exceptions to the rule, even if it makes you feel better about it.
>>220402718yeah its ridiculous. to think those pyramids were made for sacrificing poeple is like saying the vatican was built to hang people
>>220402764>I never understood why americans were meme'd into thinking native americans were peaceful tree hugging hippies.Because jewish Jeffrey Epstein's jewish girlfriend Gislane Maxwell's dad owns the history book company in the United States.Or were you being rhetorical?
>>220412502I read them, they are quite interesting >>220412559Thanks anon, may historically accurate Chel kiss you on the cheek
>>220412106I appreciate your effort and read what you wrote. Regarding your image, I got to say though that I hope that you don't take everything you read somewhere for a fact. I mean even if you look at European history from let's say before 1500 many things are subjected to scientific debates, for example regarding death tolls or general population at the times. now documentation in different parts of the world were much more scarce. So numbers given, even in the most reputable sources, are nothing more than theories based on deductions based on deductions based on deductions from rudimentary sources.And, yes, many people have horses in the race by over estimating the numbers.
>>220402475fake outrage of fake historians having fake critique of it not being time accurate or some shit
>mesoanon spamIf there's one thing I learned through the years is that no matter how knowledgeable someone claims to be on 4chan, and no matter how many huge ass posts they're making, they're probably just a larper who searched the internet far and wide for dubious sources that confirmed his bias, so he now claims to be an expert on the matterPoint is, I think mesoanon is full of shit.
>>220402475Because it portrays the "latinx" as savages. Yes, the people that invented the term and use the term unironically are offended.
>>220402475it got shit on because Mel Gibson went on a drunken tirade about ze juden
>>220403285The point of it was that a new threat was coming in a cyclical sense and his kids may one day have to survive as he did, not that it was somehow better it worse. Whatever long term benefits there might be, the short term thing to worry about is being caught in a war
>>220412559thank you mesoamerica aut/his/t, that was really interesting to read. I wish history (and other humanity) discorse could be done with the care and down-to-earthness that you conveyed in these posts.
Why is OP's pic orange, aren't all the marketing materials for the movie like dark blue
>>220409731>>220411874>>220411895wrong. we went through this in a previous thread - people have run the numbers, and the aztecs were killing as many people in human sacrifices per year as you would tend to lose in peak times of war. something like a mid to low single digit percentage of the population was getting killed in human sacrifices alone. They were an irl fucking chaos cult, and their tendency for extreme violence was partially genetic, which is why you still see the same tendency in many latin american countries with high native admixture today. What I'd like to know is what it is about the american continent that made the people in this part of the world so insanely violent and cruel compared to much of eurasia and especally europe over time.
>>220417257*note that I'm talking about peak times of modern total war, not high middle ages fuck-fuck war where basically nobody died in combat itself
>>220412821They're not outliers retard. We don't really have enough of actually isolated large scale civilizations to come to that conclusion because in Eurasia all cultures interacted with each other at some level.The Old World (Eurasian) civilizations weren't completely cut off form each otherAgriculture, metal working, use of horses and chariots - these were all diffused from their different points of origin until almost every Old World civilization had them. So you have to think of all the Old World civilizations are being one large civilization made up of the traditional civilizations we think of like Egyptian, Greek/Roman, Chinese, etc. Native American cultures were completely cut off from the rest of the world though. So we don't really know if the Old World cultures are the outlier or the New World cultures.
>>220417257>people have run the numbersMay I see them?
>>220402718Fuck you.Fuck your ancestors.
>>220412559Nice titties, do you have any book recs on the subject?
>>220402475It came out just a few months after Mel Gibson got cancelled before being cancelled was a thing for getting arrested while drunk driving and saying shit about Jews to the officers. Then everyone at the time automatically assumed the movie was racist and nobody saw it
>>220417327>Michael Harner, in his 1977 article The Enigma of Aztec Sacrifice, cites an estimate by Woodrow Borah, according to which about one percent of the population was sacrificed annually in the early 15th century. Borah calculated that about 250,000 persons were sacrificed every year, assuming a total population of the Aztec Empire of roughly 25 million.this gets denied by libshits however
>>220402531>sadly this website is dying which is why i need to make poor quality dishonest threads, to preserve the integrity of this dying website
>>220417327>>220417552for comparison about 2-4% of the british population died in WW1 across all four years
>>220417552>source: yeah I estimated 1% were sacrificed, also 20% were on OnlyFans
>>220417593get fucked bozo, being unhappy with reality doesn't change what it is.
>>220417631I estimate 100% of you is trans
>>220417651every accusation is a confession LOL
>>220402475When I first saw this I pirated it so I had no idea what was going on dialog wise, but it's the least complicated movie I had seen in awhile so it wasn't hard to follow. Re-watched it with the subtitles and honestly it dropped a couple of points. A fun jungle survival movie but it also pretty forgettable minus like the inital running on the sand / beeeeez scene / omg boats at the end. I think it gets a little less better with each viewing.
>>220412559This would be cool if I didn't already know that just assuming walls of text and info images are accurate is a dumb thing to do.
>>220417552So what is the methodology of those "calculations"? Why did he choose 1% and not 0.1% or 10%? Why did he choose 25 million as the total population? Were these calculations/estimates based on Spanish records? Native records? Archaeological findings? Statistical population models?
>movie about the aztecs>anon spergs out about the mayansYou did this the other day aswell, anon. Nigger
>>220417677There must be a ton of trans people on this site then god damn>>220417552>Borah: Source? My Asshole, sir
>>220417752why don't you google it and find out retard the source is literally right there listed
>the MesoAmerican autist is hereI want to take the opportunity to tell (You) to an hero. Fuck (You). I hate (You). You and the entire shitty American "peoples" you're defending. I hope you die a painful death you sorry escuse for a faggot.
>>220417815You do it, retard. You brought it up as source.
It's one giant chase scene from what I remember
>>220417833>I'm lazy and am arguing in bad faith but YOU need to waste your time to accomodate me!suck my greasy greasy dick mate
>>220417817Someone's butthurt mesoanon shut him down in a racebait thread on /his/ kek. Show me the bomes, faggot.
>>220417784The movie is supposed to be about the mayans. One of the main points of those who point out historic inaccuracies is that the people shown, the culture reminds of aztecs despite being mayans
>>220417257>their tendency for extreme violence was partially geneticliterally everything about everyone is partially genetic.
>>220402475I don't like spicsor proto-spicstheir apperance, art, clothing, weapons and armor, their gods, language and every last thing about their culture is just ugly, looks stupid and i could never be made to care about any story that takes place in it
>>220418537I also dislike americans. Nothing good ever came out of that continent except for maté, Ronaldinho and maple syrup.
>>220412559How does Miguel Angel Treviño fit into this?
>>220402498fpbp
