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Tonight on /trek/: Mick Fleetwood Alien

Previously on /trek/: >>222705023
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star trek sex with shran
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>>222723410
he got more moves than a steel drum band
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>>222723499
Peak timeline.
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>>222723499
delete this
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>>222723499
This would unironically save Nu-Trek.
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>>222723499
my eyes are most drawn to Jefferly Crushcombs
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So is SNW just gimmick episodes? I know they've done a LD crossover, musical episode, dinosaur episode, B&W episode, and puppet episode. If that's its "thing" they should do one where everyone becomes Jeffrey Combs.
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>>222723394
Actors went from 4 hours in the makeup chair at 5:00 AM to 15 minutes at 9:45 AM.
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>Start watching TNG
>First two seasons are ok. Some good episodes here and there, but mostly just regular, watchable but not particularly good
>Seasons three and four get better. Start to see what's so good about it. A few meh episodes but more bad than good.
>Season five
>Quality just fucking spikes out of nowhere.
What the fuck happened? Aside The Simpsons, I don't think I've seen another show where the quality just skyrockets like that.
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>>222724830
Gene Roddenberry was a literal senile old man running the first season so that’s why it was so bizarre. Season 2 was a soft reboot, and it only gets better from there. Gene basically had to be forced out because his ideas were well meaning but not very good.
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I consider The Defector to be when TNG suddenly jumps from goofy sci-fi schlock to kino. Notably, it aired on 1/1/1990, which is why I consider (good) TNG to be a 90s show and not a late 80s show.
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>>222724506
>dinosaur ep
>muppet ep
they could have turned this into something truly great involving the Voth
but they did not
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>>222725035
Banishing him to raise Odo was a bad thing.
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>>222725035
James Sloyan elevates everything he's in.
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>>222725384
he portrayed such a realistic shitty dad as Dr. Mora
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Alright guys.

Going to watch VOY S5 E5: "Once Upon a Time."
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do people find lwaxana annoying? usually her episodes are very good

plus she could absolutely get it
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>>222725870
At first I did , but then she became endearing. Particularly during the Alexander episode. And this makes her retroactively a good character as well.
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>>222725648
I don't think he was a shitty dad per se. I think he was a realistic description of someone dealing with a special needs/autistic child without the toolkit for dealing with it. I'm 2nd of 3 generations of clearly sperg and the support I have as a parent is light years ahead of what my parents had with me. Mora is a sympathetic character in that regard.
Also the actor in general is gold in every role he's had on trek.
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What's happening to /trek/? What are we going to become?
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>>222726025
The schizos always kill themselves, get committed, or get locked up eventually

/trek/ will balance out when a couple of our fruitiest loops get their inevitable comeuppance
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>>222725755
I always conflate that one with the creepy TNG Alexander/Lwaxana mud bath 'sode. Once Upon a Time is much better, though.
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>>222724506
>>222725105
As per this article posted earlier >>222713229 , they have a "wild, crazy list" of ideas which they promise to finally stop doing during the 5th season but only because it's the final one and they have to write the show to lead characters into Kirk's TOS Enterprise.
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>>222726025
>What's happening to /trek/? What are we going to become?
GAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
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>>222726043
but how will the incel council know when to determine elevated heart rate
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Was this episode intended to be a comedy?
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>>222726400
>uh...uh...a miracle
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>>222725992
>I don't think he was a shitty dad per se
that's fine but you're wrong.
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>>222726400
It seemed like a character assassination of Gul Dukat.

But I guess people could say "This was -crazy- Dukat. Not normal Dukat."
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>>222726516
you try raising an unknown sample then, jackass.
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TENDI IS TRANS AND SO TOO WILL HAVE HAD BEEN YOU
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>>222726737
that has nothing to do with why he's shitty, retard. he acts like a cunt even though Odo is a grown ass man that he hasn't been "raising" for years. he makes everything about their relationship about him and his own ego
>Oh waaaaa Odo its not fair you dont want a relationship with me and I do
>So what if I hurt you I was forced to why can't you just get over it?
>I'm really the victim here because you dont appreciate everything I do for you
>Abloobloobloooo

He's the kind of parent that kids go no contact with as soon as they're old enough to buy their own phone and move out and the parents get on YouTube like "I'm estranged from my son and I did LITERALLY nothing wrong hes just a psycho bitch everyone feel bad for me"
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>>222726821
They clearly reach a understanding when they work together to raise the sick baby changeling, don't act like there's no development. Odo was too soft and wasn't getting development. Sometimes you have to be firm.
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>>222726400
It's the funniest episode of the entire franchise in my eyes. Feels like someone from this general traveled back in time and wrote it.
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the covenants broken
2 hell with ur earring
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>>222726400
>Was this episode intended to be a comedy?
No, but the Maury Povich "you are the father" reveal was the funniest moment in all of Star Trek.
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>>222727455
the flamenco song was ideal
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>>222727849
thr funniest part of that episode is the cultists booing Dukat as they throw their suicide pills at him.
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>he actually deleted it
i was just memein' you dip. put it back.
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>>222726301
I liked the songs, but man the episode sucked. If this was a Broadway musical or something it'd be fine (as fine as musicals go) but as part of a TV episode it just doesn't quite work.
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le chorg....
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I don’t know why Spock tried to teach Captain Kirk the Vulcan nerve pinch when humans seem to have a functionally identical ability to instantly knock someone out by lightly karate chopping the back of the neck.
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>>222728156
I did like the major key/minor key reprise of a chapel and Spock's songs
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>they did WHAT?
>with Puppets you say?
>dear God..
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>>222729227
>mtg colors
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Why are troonlennials so embarrassing and cringe?
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ATTENTION CARDASSIAN CITIZENS
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>>222728156
As far as musicals they get a lot of it right. The only one who sucks is the bulldyle mexican who I refuse to name learn.

When Spock gets dumped and the entire crew joins in the song had me rolling
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>>222726025
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>>222723503
Let's get together and pretend we don't have feelings.
>It is fortunate that I am able to perform my duties without emotional distractions.
>If that were not the case, a sudden course correction toward the Neutral Zone would make me very...
>nervous.
The emotion chip was a mistake and they should have developed Data about 300% more than they did in the series.
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>>222726301
Not that there's anything WRONG with that!
>>222728156
>>222729225
>>222730558
You gays are fags for ever watching that shit.
You gays are full-blown boy-raping pederasts for discussing the "good things" about that shit.
Please airlock yourselves asap.
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>>222726301
I literally skipped this episode. I hate musicals.
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>>222729277
You can tell he didn't have any serious roles in decades, when he showed up in Picard. His acting was so awkward.
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>>222730516
>DS9 has 3 pylons, because Cardassians like to build things like that
>Nothing on their planet is built with nuber 3 in mind
>Because it's obviously retarded
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>>222726385
I just had sex and walked directly out the door. I forgot my hat so I had to go back. Her dog ran out the door. I had to crouch by the door and lure him as I’d never catch a Belgian. Then she came back to the door and he ran away again and she bitched me out like omg I thought you just left without saying goodbye and I said I am actually leaving and she kept saying why and getting increasingly emotional as I crouched and lured the dog again and her energy sent him running a third time. I told him to be good and made not even a motion of my head in her direction while leaving
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>I must confess to amusement—or is it bemusement?—at all the online fulminating about doing a puppet/Muppet episode, as if that soils the purity of Star Trek. The same Star Trek that has (checks notes) the captain riding the first officer like a horse, the Enterprise encountering Abraham Lincoln floating in space and a giant space amoeba and a doomsday machine that looks like a cornucopia that lost a bar fight, the captain having hundreds of tribbles dumped on his head, the ship’s doctor having green smoke sex with a candle, the Enterprise visiting the Nazi planet and the Roman Empire planet and the Greek god planet and the gangster planet and the Aryan sex addict planet, Voyager creating a warp drive that turns you into a horny salamander, the captain’s dog peeing on a planet thus contaminating its biosphere, the crew playing a game that is like Jenga but without the deep intellectualism, the crew being 'de-evolved' (more than once!), the security chief being killed by a sadistic oil slick, the Enterprise ferrying fish people and space hippies, etc.
I've seen fans making this argument already, but this is the HEAD WRITER citing some of the worst and most infamous moments/episodes of the franchise to justify what they're doing with their show...
Do they seriously have no self-awareness
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>>222731694
>look at all these other objectively retarded things in star tracks
>I bet you all feel pretty silly now for criticizing the even more objectively retarded things we do in nu tracks
Nope. No self awareness.
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>>222723503
star trek sex with wesley
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>>222723410
star trek sex with wesley
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>>222727849
BY THE PAH WRAITHS IT'S A MIRACLE!
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>>222731694
>The same Star Trek that has (checks notes) the captain riding the first officer like a horse
Which was done by a hedonistic group of sadists. Everything they did to the Enterprise crew in that episode was extremely traumatic but they especially went out of their way to humiliate Spock. It wasn't a "we're so wacky!" thing. Fuck, this actually got me heated. I'm going to go deconstruct my emotional complex.
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>>222732165
Violence with anon
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>>222725648
He was a good dad though, he gave Oddo the will to persevere. Odough tried being a feelings faggot and failed miserably with the baby changeling and the jem'hadar he tried to raise.
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>talks once about NuTrek
>gets one million views
>NuTrek immediately dies
How is he so powerful?
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>>222732967
>How is he so powerful?
There's a lot of sheeps for this content, who repeat everything he says, while still claming "I'm not a sheep, I think for myself!".
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>>222727889
I think the funniest part was Evie being his victim.
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>>222733015
The expendable masses are always looking for someone to tell them what to think and do.
Having said that, nu trek was always shit. Sometimes it takes the leader telling his masses that a thing is bad for them to realize it's bad.

Alien sex with Annalee Call.
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>>222730994
>kikefeld
unironically kill yourself
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>>222733516
>you used a meme image from a show I don't like, therefore you must love that show, but I hate it, despite you also potentially sharing 95%+ of my values
>kys
You're a miserable wretch, anon. You got no smile, and they probably didn't even have to take it from you.
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>>222723410
You lost tranny
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>>222732967
which talking head grifter is this supposed to be?
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>>222732967
Based. I support space Israel.
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>>222733923
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>>222734125
(((Vaadwaur)))
I've really gotta update this one, or just split it up.
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>>222734232
(((Talaxians)))
>muh moon holohoax
>openly paedophiles
>banned from space heaven
>dig asteroid tunnels
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>they just left Neelix on an asteroid to raise his wife's son
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>>222734393
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>>222734232
>The ancient word "Vaadwaur" was used to indicate foolishness

That's my favorite part of the episode, when he says that straight to the face of Vaadwaur leader. Imagine that you meet ships ambassador and he greets you by saying

> <your country name>? Where I come from, that what we call faggots and cucks, haha!
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Why did you fags lie to me about Enterprise?
>Bad ass Captain, like Kirk but more realistic
>The inside of the Enterprise looks really good even though it's primitive
>Hot Vulcan babe with big tits and DSL's
>Cool Neelix looking doctor
>Cast and crew is mostly white
>Dope as fuck uniforms
>Cute dog on the spaceship
>The whole show has an early 2000's farmboy, cowboy diplomacy attitude
It's fucking peak
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I think I smell burning toast
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>>222734799
That's what happens when you have poor taste and low expectations.
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>>222734799
Sorry, can never make it past the theme song
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>>222734799
Enterprise is very based

>>222729277
Didn't you know? Magic The Gathering has released a Magic the gathering star trek pack!

I got the rare captain Kirk card at the trek convention
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>>222734799
>Hot Vulcan babe with big tits and DSL's [apostrophe indicates possessive, retard]
You are a retarded faggot shit-eating Ferengi-Nausicaan hybrid monstrosity for liking plasticene basic bitch Risian thots.
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i know we are not supposed to tlak about nu trek but i have to vent
what the fuck was this episode? its just dumb from start to finish the premise is dumb the reasons its all happening is dumb this is worse than anything in any other star trek series to date
fire everyone involved
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>>222735497
>we are not supposed to tlak about nu trek
says who?
>fire everyone involved
contracts were not renewed afaik
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>>222735539
they were not but this is something that should end a career
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>>222735497
But Anon an episode (that I never watched) of TOS (that I never watched) had a silly thing (that was actually horrifying in context) happen, that means Trek can and should be any stupid thing I want!
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>>222735167
>Enterprise is very based
Based on shit.
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>>222735551
There might be a disconnect between you and reality. Touch grass
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>>222735607
no its so stupid its so god damned stupid and all made worse by the ending
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CAUSE I'VE GOT STRENGTH OF THE SOUL
I CAN DO ANYTHING
I CAN REEEEEEEEACH ANY STAR
I'VE GOT FAITH
I'VE GOT FAITH
FAITH OF THE HEEEEEEAAAART
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>>222735619
Lil' Ricky gon getcha
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>>222735644
thats not the part of the ending i mean
i mean the fact its all spocks dream
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The plebbitors are waking up
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Why do they keep getting turned into puppets
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I'M PICKLE PIKE!
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We puppet life now
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>>222735684
I am definitely sexist and prejudiced, but I'm not a bigot. I hate niggers because of the content of their character, but Geordi's character is pretty cool.
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>>222735786
you dont hate black people
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>nutrek hasn't ruined my favorite character
feels good man
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>>222735628
based.
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>>222735798
who is your favorite character?
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>>222735797
Right, he said he hated niggers, not black people. Not mutually exclusive things.
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>>222735834
why cant we just call trash people trash people and lump them all into one category? do we need to use a slur with a shitty history?
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>>222735808
dont worry about it
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>>222735851
Because Benkarans commit more crimes.
If you treated everyone as individuals while playing Super Mario Bros., you'd just die over and over again. You should learn basic pattern recognition fairly early on to avoid dying in the real world.
What the fuck are Nausicaans even doing on DS9? Why are they even allowed to exist unmolested within a light year of anything even remotely federation related?
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>>222735924
what's so bad about Nausicaans
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>>222735965
PLAY DOMJOT
HOOMAN?
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>>222735965
they do space drugs
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>>222731694
>a doomsday machine that looks like a cornucopia that lost a bar fight
don't shit talk the doomsday machine you son of a bitch, i'll punch you in the eyeballs.

But for a serious argument: There is a big difference between 4th wall breaking "lolsorandom" and in-universe outlandish concepts.
And I don't even mind the lolsorandom shit, conceptually. It's just a garbage argument to claim it isn't the obvious diversion from the standard that it is. Hell, that's WHY you did it you fucking retard.
Perhaps eyeball punching isn't a low tact argument when the counter-argument is "star trek has always had shitty episodes, so we can do whatever we want!"
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>>222735965
Nothing, they made Picard a better man. Entire federation ows them a huge debt.
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>>222735965
They go around insulting people's grandma's for no reason
>you have no grandma, human
What the fuck man? I'm just trying to have a nice time and you've got to bring that shit up? Fucking savages
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>>222736580
Don't worry Picard, at least you sill have your mo... oh.
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>>222736614
this was maybe the single dumbest thing nutrek ever did

leave it up to an actor to write the worst script imaginable
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>She looked back at Kes, who was standing straight and tall. "Remember," Janeway said, a small, enigmatic smile touching her lips, "the whole of the ship is one body."
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>>222736815
Go on...
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>>222734799
I never did. It's a good show. Some short-comings, but overall very fun to watch.
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Was there a greater troll in the trek universe? This was an absolute masterclass in baiting. Just look at this smile. Love this man.
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>>222737310
>You were merely born into the work camps
>I made them
>Molded them
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>>222737310
Strictly speaking Q was a bigger troll
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>>222736397
That explains the massive ego. Lmao. You waste your time space tweakers.
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>>222735684
Nah they aren't, this is /r/star_trek_
Go to /r/startrek and you'll see post upon post of goycattle defending this shit
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>>222736580
It's like someone needs to knock them down a peg. Lmao. What are they going to do? Put shit on a tv screen to retaliate? lol.
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>>222737961
It's always weird to me seeing post like this, where for 40-50-60 years nobody has a problem... And then new piece of media comes out, that adresses something from old lore, and people go
>FINALLY, SOMEBODY FIXED THAT, IT WAS BUGGING ME FOR DECADES
Like huh, seriously?
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>>222737961
>it always seemed strange to me
ok that's because you're fucking ret a red though. Spock's deal was always obvious to anyone actually watching
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>>222737961
>It was always weird to me, that guy who was rised on Vulcan in Vulcan culture, and even his human mom embraced their ways, turned out to be so Vulcan. How did that happen?
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>>222738479
It's a mystery. No way to write your way out of this plot hole.
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they should have ejected malcom and the mine
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Malcolm and Hayes should have had rough gay sex
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>>222738679
finally someone talking sense in this god forsaken thread
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Watching Voyager for the first time, Ep 4, Phage. Is Janeway just a dumb cunt for entire series, or was this just some bad morality writing?

Aliens steal Neelix's lungs and leave him for dead.
Now he's stuck on life support with holographic lungs and will die if his body moves more than 2 microns, or if the power goes out, or he has another panic attack, or a suicidal episode.
Finally catch the aliens and listen to their sob story about an incurable genetic plague that destroys their organs, and forces them to harvest replacement organs from compatible life forms. They try to get organs from beings that are already dead, but that isn't always possible.
Janeway says she wont take a life to save another life, but if she ever sees these aliens again and they try to take more organs from her crew she'll kill them.

EXCEPT. The aliens are already there in front of her, they've already stolen organs from a crew member, but she's going to just let them go. So its an empty threat. And the aliens have told her flat out that they WILL continue to murder innocent humanoids, dozens or even hundreds of them because of their endless need to replace their rotting organs.

ADDITIONALLY. Janeway has already taken multiple lives in order to save other lives. When Voyager is attacked by the Karzons (or whatever they're called) she blows up a couple of their ships, including a giant dreadnought ship that likely had a crew of thousands on board. Killing in self defense happens all the time in Star Trek. Taking back Neelix's stolen lungs isn't any different. The writers then do a co-op and have the plauge aliens perform a surgery to implant a donor lung from Kes into Neelix, they both now enjoy a life with greatly reduced lung capacity.
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>>222739249
it's wobbly morality writing, but you can attribute it to Janeway being in a constant state of stress. I like Phage Janeway for being of extremely high morals.
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>subcutaneous torso ridges
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>>222738394
AI posts. reddit is overflowing with fake zombie accounts churning out content to shift the zeitgeist. This is not a conspiracy theory, this is a conspiracy fact.
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>>222739354
But thats retarded stance to have, given their situation.
>I will sacrifice however many of my crew I need, to save them!
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>>222739249
I was saying any sane captain would seek to completely eradicate the (((Vidians))) as soon as I started rewatching it as an adult. Full-on genocide is the only solution to these abominations. God only knows how many people these foreskin-chewers have already murdered by "The Phage" episode.
Janeway is evil, and her defenders are retarded liberal faggots who would support the Starship Trooper bugs as they suck the brains out of their loved ones.
>>222739354
It's not wobbly at all: Janeway is an evil cunt. If you're not on Tuvix's side, you will burn in hell.
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How does nu-uhura understand and speak perfect klingon, but ST:VI uhura doesn't?
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>>222739963
Remember the brain damage episode? She forgot, and had to relearn everything. Guess klingon wasn't high on priority list.
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tuvix is a rapist
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>>222740115
What kind?
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>>222740115
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Neelix is based
His girlfriend is two
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>>222740175
Star Trek kind
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>>222739812
>I was saying any sane captain would seek to completely eradicate the (((Vidians))) as soon as I started rewatching it as an adult.
They are essentially a race of Ghouls or Vampires killing and feeding off of a galaxy of victims all in a vain attempt to extend their own lives.

I don't think they ever gave an explanation for why their hyper advanced medical knowledge (they scoffed at the Doctors primitive use of holographic lungs) wouldn't allow them to simply use synthetic organs, cloned organs, or some other sort of lab-grown organs. Instead they travel across the galaxy, lurking in caves and asteroids, waiting to ambush unsuspecting victims.
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>>222739812
>eradicate
Maybe not eradication, but yeah. Janeway basically told them
>It's open buffet, if you can take it, you keep it!

Gee, what a surprise that they tried to attack them later...
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>>222741583
The Janeway we need.
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>>222741583
She did nothing wrong here by the way.
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>>222742127
She insulted them a little bit
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thoughts on janeways voice
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>>222742507
its hot
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>>222742507
sex
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>>222742507
Flemeth
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Watching Voyager now and just spent 200 hours on this.
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>>222742629
kek based tuvok
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Good times
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>>222742507
Would drive me mad if I actually had to work with her.
I've always associated the opening trumpets of the Voyager theme with her voice, like they have the exact same tone or something
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>>222742507
>thoughts on janeways voice
I thought it was good at first, but by episode 4 it started to get a little annoying. But thats just a typical female problem. Especially when Janeway is the focus of the show, and required to constantly be talking about blah-bla-blah or talking to so-and-so about the la-de-dah.

Thats one reason the Troi focused episodes in TNG were always so bad, just listening to her endlessly ramble on about whatever emotional empath bullshit was going on.

Never had that problem with Major Kira's voice though, so its not all women, just most.
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>>222742736
>Paramount knows the TNG formula works
>Fans dying to return to the TNG formula
>Writers insist that the TNG formula is trite and we've moved on 1980s storytelling
>TNG formula never coming back
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What signalled the end of nutrek?
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was it rape?
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>>222743227
STD episode 1
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>>222743379
>STD
The official abbreviation for Star Trek: Discovery is DSC, though fans commonly use DIS or the affectionate nickname
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>>222743415
If they didn't want me to call it STD then they shouldnt have named the show (S)tar (T)rek (D)iscovery.
They also shouldn't have made watching the show similarly excruciating to having and STD
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>>222743483
Then why nobody called (S)tar (T)rek (D)eep Space 9 STD?
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>>222743623
That'll be all.
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Why are most of the alien races in star trek just humans with facepaint on them
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Is this necessary? Why bully the Galaxy class like this?
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>>222743278
Why do those frying pans have holes in them? Why is every single piece of his cooking equipment totally shit, unwieldy and impractical?
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>>222743646
Size literally doesn't matter in a space fight. It's all shields and weapons.
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>>222743623
Nu trek, nu abbreviation system.
Besides it would be STDS9 in that case smart ass
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>>222743698
>Besides it would be STDS9 in that case smart ass
Not if we want to keep the three letter structure. Otherwise TNG should be STTNG. And enterprise should be STE then.
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I call it DISC. im not calling a show STD. That's disgusting
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>>222743747
It's a disgusting show
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>>222743746
Enterprise premiered as just "Enterprise" without the Star Trek moniker.

And before you say STV for Voyager, that would've made it confusing with Star Trek V.
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>>222743747
If the name fits, you must submit
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>>222743652
because its the future
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>>222743854
Fair, but still, three letter structure would keep Deep Space 9 as STD. Voyager has an excuse, fine, but DS9 doesnt. Also what is short for Lower Decks? SLD? STL?
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>>222743854
By the logic of VOY, TNG would be NEX.
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>>222743884
TAS, TNG, DS9, and SNW have 3 words in their subtitle, which trumps the ST.
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STDSN
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Technically, calling TOS TOS is a retcon.
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>>222744029
Go on.
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Start Dreck
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>>222744064
...I'm done.
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It's actually STTN.
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Has there ever been a 3-body problem episode in Trek before?
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>>222744142
elab
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This guy is fucking hot bajoran dabo girls while you jerk off alone.
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>TROI: According to Doctor Barron's preliminary reports, the Mintakans are proto-Vulcan humanoids at the Bronze Age level. Quite peaceful and highly rational.
>PICARD: Which is not surprising, considering how closely their evolution parallels Vulcan.
What the fuck are they talking about here? Bronze Age Vulcans were hyperemotional and intensely violent; it wasn't until their nuclear age that a new religious movement was able to condition them against their basic nature.
>TROI: Mintakan emotions are quite interesting. Like the Vulcans, they have highly ordered minds. A very sensible people.
The conceit of using "proto-Vulcans" in Who Watches the Watchers is to have a race which is a) premodern but b) more rational than humans at a comparable level of development, to then show that *even* a people such as this could still fall victim to superstitious thinking. But this means that the writers are playing on the simple caricature of "Vulcans = logical" and are too dumb or lazy to remember the Vulcans' own backstory - something that I'd expect from NuTrek and not from classic TNG. Am I being uncharitable here?
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>>222744331
But they're not actual vulcans though.
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>>222743415
ur a ghey nigur with STDs
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Djohdi! Come quick! Data needs you to explain something for the retards!
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>>222743641
They were working on two week turnarounds. That’s unheard of today.
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>>222744331
vulcans are liars.
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Five episodes in and it's straight up better than DS9 and VOY. This show fucks.
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>>222745163
they had me when the vulcan ambassador lost his shit
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>>222745163
>>222745184
It's really terrifying how dumb some people are who somehow find their way to being Star Trek fans.
>I liked it when they made the Vulcan get angry and act out of character to force their retarded cold war storyline!
Good lord.
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I just like the fact Kirk scores with alien ladies
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>>222745306
they spent all of voy explaining that vulcans are actually in a constant state of seethe. ent does a good job of explaining how they got there and lied about it all.
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>>222745306
Anon, most Trek fans are dumb chuds pretending to feel smart
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>>222745306
>I hated it when they made the Vulcan get angry and act out of character!
You were saying?
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>>222745365
Yeah, man, you're right. Enterprise is a very intelligent show.
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>>222745397
>NuTrek fan arguing tactics
>hey remember that one exception when a character is literally suffering from a rare disease that makes him act out of control? that justifies this totally unrelated thing!
Goddamn you really are dumb as a sack of Romulan shit
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>>222745397
I haven’t seen ENT but that TNG episode was clearly about losing someone to dementia. It’s very painful if you’ve ever lost a parent or grandparent to cognitive decline.
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>>222745441
>that one exception
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>>222745441
>rare disease
It's rare because they made it up for the one episode to justify the plot, the same way the thing you're bitching about in ENT happened.
>NUTREK NUTREK
I've never seen a Kurstjew product and I never will. The point is that ENT is based and you're just going to have to accept that.
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I can't watch Trek anymore. Academy was unwatchable and now SNW also. Not a single watchable episode in season 4. It's over. It's fucking over. I'm gonna actually have to watch the OS finally for new content.
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>>222745533
I can’t wait to use this in Splatoon threads on /v/.
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>>222745528
>>222745533
Was Soval under alien influence or suffering from Bandai Namco syndrome when he got mad at Archer?

No, it was played as normal, conventional Vulcan behavior, you dishonest retarded fucking idiots.
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>>222745589
>Was Soval under alien influence or suffering from Bandai Namco syndrome when he got mad at Archer?
Perhaps everyone else was being polite/rational when a diplomat in a room full of diplomats slightly raised his voice. In the next episode there was a whole segment about how Vulcan's arent supposed to get emotional and it caused a rift in the crew. You're crying your eyes out because the pilot episode of a new trek series didn't completely break the pace of a very quick scene to lecture the audience on Vulcan customs and berate a character that was on screen for 10 seconds. I thought it was dumb when Data fucked Tasha Yar in the beginning of TNG when he would never actually do that, but I'm not shitting in my diaper about it and saying the show was bad because of it. I think you're probably just a fag.
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Also, the idea that Vulcans never/shouldn't get emotional is a red herring. Spok clearly got chummy with the crew in TOS, against his better nature, and this was juxtaposed by his cold behavior in Star Trek the Motion Picture after he participated in the Kolinahr. It'a not black and white.
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>>222745788
Vulcans choose to suppress their emotions for the betterment of society. If a human couple adopted a Vulcan baby à la Worf, it probably wouldn’t act like Spock.
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>>222745788
you should have been a writer for Enterprise damn they really missed out not hiring you
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Hey it's that guy from Breaking Bad
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>>222745736
Nice meltdown, you're a fucking idiot, and it's not just the pilot episode. They do a whole storyline where a literal Romulan spy has infiltrated the Vulcans to become in charge of High Command even, and even though he is screaming and emoting and raving like he's fucking Olivier doing MacBeth, none of the Vulcans suspect that he might not be one of them. The entire Surak story was awful and Vulcans are consistently portrayed terribly via T'Pol.

Enterprise fucking sucks.

Here, here's a good Vulcan depiction. Pic related. Spock is half-human by the way dumb fuck. Watch more Star Trek you dumb fucking shit for brains.
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>irl sperg having sustained meltdown about their precious fictional elf spergs
Autism really should be treated with a wood chipper.
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>>222745969
This is the attitude that made NuTrek happen.
>Heh I can't believe this guy is being nerdy about STAR TREK!
>I want my science fiction to be cool and for normies
Kill yourself you relentless niggerbrain
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>>222745993
>I want my science fiction to be cool and for normies
Yes. It's fun to watch spaceships go pew pew and the occasional impassioned speech. Get fucked, defective loser. Go vibe code a spreadsheet or whatever the fuck useless eaters like you do.
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>>222745993
YA SEETHE??
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>>222746052
It's okay he's probably going to go angrily paint some Warhammer 40 figurines.
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Anyway, the unrelenting stupidity of some Star Trek fans aside, did he do anything wrong?

I don't think that he did.
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>>222746253
he sat on a sand spine. that was pretty retarded.
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>>222746256
That was an accident not an error
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>the part of ENT that's not retarded
Vulcans and Humans wouldn't exactly be the best of friends after only 80 years since First Contact, since humans had only just got out of WW3, sort of kind of solved racism, and just restructured their economy to be moneyless
>the part of ENT that's retarded
Vulcans are constantly angry and irritated and mind melders are only a small minority of deviants
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>>222746253
Adulterer
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>>222746253
He had weyoun on his left and damar on his right. Protocol dictates the opposite.
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how often do they fuck? does he make her call him daddy?
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star trek sex with tom and harry
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>>222746527
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>>222746594
hot
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>>222746594
fucking hot
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>>222746518
ocampa dont fuck. they hold hands
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>>222745306
pottery
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>Vulcans touch fingers
>Ocampa hold hands
Star Trek saying that hand holding is lewd
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>>222746498
It's a cultural thing, they're totally cool with it over there... Surely.
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>>222746768
did you even fucking watch the show? you're literally just some mindless retard parroting memes trying to fit in.
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>>222746792
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>>222746768
his mother disowned him, his wife left him and his children cut contact when it came out. Cardassian society is tradpilled and puts family above all else, it's kind of a big deal.
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>>222746865
>Cardassian society is tradpilled and puts family above all else, it's kind of a big deal.
>DS9 trying to portray Cardassia Prime as an authoritarian nightmare state
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>>222746865
I like to think that it wasn't the fact that Dukat had a child with his mistress, but that he went public with it, thus bringing shame upon his family. His wife was probably like, "do what you want, as long as it doesn't come out and affect me"
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I love this motherfucker like you wouldn't believe. Very satisfying watching Riker get slapped down and Troi forced to stop wearing her hippie slut outfit.
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>>222746792
>>222746865
You really didn't get any sarcasm from my post at all?

Of course it was wrong you idiot
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>>222746253
Just watched Dukat argue with Weyoun AGAINST genociding Earth, because:
>a true victory is to make your enemies see they were wrong to oppose you in the first place
how am I supposed to hate someone this objectively correct
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>>222746253
>miscegenation with the filthy ridge-nosed sephardim
Yeah, I'm thinking he did some things wrong.
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>>222746976
There's a whole nuanced subplot about the Cardassian civilian government, the influence of the military changing and how Gul Dukat is a self-serving cunt who doesn't live up to Cardassian values under scrutiny at all.
Damar would've been a good leader but he lacks the drive and ambition of Dukat.
>>222746997
Nah, I'm tired.
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>>222746985
Jellico is objectively the best Starfleet captain we ever see.
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>>222746985
Agreed. Gellico could have been more forthright about his strategy and less aggressive with his drastic changes to the day to day of the Enterprise, but once you see him in negotiations with the Cardassians and hes acting like a crazy motherfucker it all makes sense. Also, it's so insulting how they put Troi's tits in our faces for years when Beverly is clearly the hot MILF on board that everyone wants to fuck. Im so glad the Greek womanlet put on a fucking shirt.
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>>222747144
Jellico wasn't aggressive at all. he treated Riker like the special needs retard who needs to be told twice that he was
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>>222747144
if picard and riker were any good at their jobs they would have already had a plan for switching to 4 shifts.
picard wasnt supposed to come back, it was a section 31 execution attempt, trying to take out the worst captian, doctor, and security officer in the fleet.
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>>222747266
It was a 4th turning effect where weak men were about to create hard times. Picard and Riker had never really seen struggle or turmoil. They thought peace would last forever.
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>>222747266
>if picard and riker were any good at their jobs they would have already had a plan for switching to 4 shifts.
Why
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>>222747650
because their job is to prepare for contingencies such as suddenly being sent into battle
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>>222747650
because they're stewarding a ship with 3000 souls on board and it's their fucking duty
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Excelsior is the best looking ship, suck it, Enterprise
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>>222746985
I like Picard more.
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>>222747923
Starfleet needs to install starlight windows in their secondary hull
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Howdy.

How does it feel to be responsible for the stupidest show on television at least 3 different times.

I say "responsible". Maybe "associated with" is more appropriated.
This series reminds me of Halo where it's been going on for a million years and there are 2 amazing installments, a whole bunch of "eh" and then a thousand years of pain and misery and stupidity.
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>>222747999
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>>222747999
The Halo show was a spite project just like SFA. The point was to ruin something beloved by nerdy guys. Any sci-fi show made this decade is terrible until proven otherwise.
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>>222747923
Maybe if you've got a pregnancy fetish
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>>222748072
Pluribus is great
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>>222748105
maybe if youre a fag
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>>222748105
Plurb is more post-apocalypse than straight sci-fi. If there’s any lore, it’s something Vince scribbled on a used napkin.
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>>222748265
you're fucking retarded. it's a show about how an alien species managed to find away to eradicate intelligent life from whatever planet they want by simply beaming information into space and letting curiosity kill them so they can wait a few years and swoop in and take that planet for their own.
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>>222748295
why do they need to kill all the people?
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>>222748356
so they don't get in the way. it's a humane system where you simply join the hivemind and live in bliss while wasting away as a species.
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>>222748420
why dont they just use one of the countless planets without intellegent life?
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>>222748441
they need planets that are compatible with them. that's why they sent the code for a virus. if it can infect the organisms that live on that planet then it would be compatible with their biology. by the time they get there it probably will be without intelligent life if their plan goes off as intended.
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>>222748478
seems terribly ineffecient. if they sent probes looking for nitrogen atmospheres and water they would find a lot more planets and need to kill a lot fewer people. i dont think i will watch this show
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>>222748513
how is it inefficient? all you have to do is literally beam a signal out into space. what happens if your probe finds the planet you need and there's tons of people on it? well if you had sent out a virus beam 1000 years ago it would already be empty. sounds like you're too fucking stupid for this show and it's not even fucking hard to understand. it's literally normieslop.
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>>222748538
there are a lot of habitable planets without intellegent life. should look for those instead. easier to find. no subverting society required.
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>>222748651
they obviously want all the planets that are possible to have. it's the same thing humans would do if we we had the means.
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>>222748684
thats too many planets. spread too thin. asking for trouble.
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So which Trek race has the most stimulating internals?
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>>222748684
>it's the same thing humans would do if we we had the means.
NTA but I don't agree with this at all.
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>>222748776
yeah you're right that was a bit misanthropic and bleak. I take it back
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>>222748774
i always wonder how much of a retarded faggot loser men feel like while cleaning these out but then I realize they probably don't clean them out
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>>222747002
I love that line so much.
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>>222742736
here i made her white
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>>222746694
>Leonard Nimoy once recalled that Mark Lenard and Jane Wyatt came to him for advice on Vulcan culture. Nimoy replied that he had come to believe Vulcans placed great importance on their hands and hand gestures, and suggested Lenard and Wyatt find a way to demonstrate that, when on screen. The actors then created the finger-touching gesture seen in the episode.
Based Nimoy.
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>Anon, you have the bridge

What now?
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>>222749029
Member when actors used to take their job seriously and really try to get into the material?
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>>222749206
let's be real even back then Nimoy was kind of exceptional. he was earnest in a way pretty much no actor is.
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>>222749204
Re-route the replicators through the main deflector dish.
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>>222749230
You can maybe say that about the old school guys from the 40s but once Brando was a thing, earnestness in acting was pretty popular. I think the character of Spock just really resonated with him
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>>222749230
>he was earnest
It was mental illness.
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>>222749340
Schizo actors who throw themselves into the role are the best though.
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>>222749295
Of course it did, he WAS Spock. I recall seeing that Rodenberry just had a vague idea and pretty much everything about the character was Nimoy's ideas. If the pilot with Pike is any indication, Rodenberry's original idea for Spock was very different.
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>>222749295
I don't think it's that the character resonated with him. he just actually wanted to do the absolute best job possible with what he was assigned to do. even if it was a totally different type of character he would have put in the exact same amount of effort. he was a guy who just took whatever he was doing seriously and it meant a lot to him to do the best job he could.
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>>222749379
Nimoy was very protective of Spock, though, and this was even before Star Trek became a worldwide phenomenon. Giving input on scripts; "[Spock] would never do that", etc.
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>>222749372
>Of course it did, he WAS Spock
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i also think of that mind meld video where he's talking to Shatner and he's like "Don't you find it hard to like? Turn off the character in your real life?"
and Shatner was like "what in the actual fuck are you talking about? are you nuts? of course I turn it off"

Nimoy literally was Spock. that's not how the average actor operates. it's just pretend bullshit to them.
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>>222749379
>he just actually wanted to do the absolute best job possible with what he was assigned to do
This is particularly crazy, considering sci-fi wasn't taken seriously back then. Even Patrick Stewart felt like doing TNG would tarnish his reputation as a stage actor, and that was when Star Trek already had gained a lot of respect and Star Wars had exploded in popularity.
For reference, I remember this clip of Cesar Romero talking about playing Joker back in the 60s and the interviewer is treating it like it's a silly thing to put on makeup to play a cartoon clown, and even when Romero seemed to have read a few comics, he wasn't taking it so seriously. Nimoy really went all in (this also affected the movies he didn't direct, didn't it? Refusing to be on them because he disapproved of the scripts)
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>>222749427
I think Shatner does a lot of "I'm a cool easy going normal guy" for the camera and he particularly did this around Nimoy for some reason but he's very serious about his acting as well
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>>222749530
"being serious about your acting" doesn't mean you keep your character in the forefront of your mind while the camera isn't on you. that's actually not normal.

anyway, everyone just watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-pAkVJ5UXs
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>>222749527
he actually desperately wanted it to be taken seriously despite what it was. it mattered a lot to him that what they were doing was not seen as "frivolous"
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>>222749617
I was thinking of this exact interview actually
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Classic Trek had its fair share of weak actors (Sirtis, Siddig, Wang) but especially now in the streaming age they just mumble their lines and move on to the next scene
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>>222749204
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Watching VOY S5 E6: "Timeless".
wish me luck guys
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>>222725035
Common Ron Moore W
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"Relax! It's just a pizza! Have a sense of gumor."
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>>222732967
He literally just uploaded a video defending jews and Israel.
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>2021-2025
>leftists love jews, /pol/ hates jews
>2025-now
>leftists hate jews, /pol/ loves jews
i feel like i live in the mirror universe
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>>222750623
Nothing is better with Star Trek than a succulent Chinese meal
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>>222744331
>Vulcans used to be hyperviolent
>Vulcans have common ancestry with another species
>Other species are not hyperviolent
>This is a plot hole because I'm an inbred moron from a conquered tribe of shitcolored primates

Also, given Vulcan affinity for being overly honest and analytical, "hyperviolent and emotional" to them might as well have been raising one's voice unnecessarily.
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>>222745913
>webp.jpeg
Indians were a mistake
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>>222750762
I remember trying to explain to the thread what the actual political lines and alliances were and who was who on DS9 many years ago itt and no one would really get on board. The idea Israel was Cardassia completely opposed their entire fictional headcanon about the real world too despite me really laying it out. I still don’t think ebin duck hat posters understand that. I think a big thing for people who were focused on “le Jews” was realizing the American government is equally compromised and every way they pointed at Hollywood as a special case. The attacks our federal government has perpetrated against our own citizens also gives people pause when approaching the civilian populations of foreign lands. Not that they stop when we protest. Inb4 lobejobbers I’m talking about the plot
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>>222749204
>"Data, set a course for Earth."
>"What location, sir?"
>"Israel."
>"Sir, we've arrived. What are your orders?"
>"Maintain a holding pattern. Mr. Worf. Attack Pattern Beta. Full Swarm. Every kinetic munition we have. Blanket them. Every last one of them. Not one single survivor."
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Helm, set course for the new thread. Engage.
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>>222750900
>Also, given Vulcan affinity for being overly honest and analytical, "hyperviolent and emotional" to them might as well have been raising one's voice unnecessarily.
No, its explained quite explicitly in TOS when Spock gets horny and has to return home to mate, least he murder everyone onboard the Enterprise in a blue balled rage.

Spock also has to fight a duel to the death in order to preserve his mating rights from a challenger. He's also not allowed to refuse the duel, if he does the Queen of the Vulcans will order his death, as is their ancient custom.
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>>222751596
>>222751596
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star trek sex with trip and malcolm



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