A thread about all things Heaven Burns Red!Game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1973710/https://heavenburnsred.yo-star.com/Beginner FAQ! (EN/JP) https://rentry.org/vufyc93mEN:https://twitter.com/hbr_official_enhttps://www.youtube.com/@heavenburnsred_en_officialEnglish database for event schedules, styles, gacha & enemy stats etc.: https://hbr.quest/ HBR content play order guide for beginners (made by /u/ anons) https://rentry.org/3nfxh9zmMain Story EN subbed by defenselessperson (Prologue, Chapter 1 & 2): https://youtu.be/iYgk2QsNu74 Main Story and Event Stories EN subbed by FLEreverse (Prologue, Chapter 1, 2, 3, 4.1, 4.2 + Mari, Ichigo, Kura, Iroha, Irene and Swimsuit 3 events + AB collabs + Bond episodes) https://www.youtube.com/@seraph1305U140 event EN subbed: https://youtu.be/KUVLZCdk4I0 JP/general info:https://twitter.com/heavenburnsredhttps://www.youtube.com/@heavenburnsred_officialReroll Guide: https://game8.jp/heavenburnsred/425645Style Tier List: https://game8.jp/heavenburnsred/425643All SheIsLegend songs full versions: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKIr2ayXySvD5RjLRZORDzgALL Jun Maeda insert songs: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7njeqPki-I0xEARusLnD0wPrevious thread >>4324483
It's time for another Heaven Burns Thread, where our expectations for the new story chapter are already set.5.2 Part 1 is about to release on JP. 4.1 is about to release on EN.We are truly getting buried in story content soon!The EN server launched and has been generally competent. The yuri was not censored and many new players enjoy the wonders of HBR internationally. Aina's event came out in JP and gave us another solid story with 31D, but the yuri has been a bit on the down low in recent events. Hopefully we will get an upswing on that soon!
>>4339102I know OP is getting kinda bloated now... but I think this is as far as additions will go. I decided to keep the youtube links for EN subs in because I believe that comparing the official Yostar TL to fan subs still has value. And FLEreverse is still ahead on some story/event content anyway.
>>4339103It's not like they are the only ones with OD gimmicks. Minori came out recently with her negative OD skill. And Chiroru SS1 always had a big OD boost.
So they didn't throw any curveballs and got the obvious ones out first.My prediction for 5.2.1 banner is RukaTama (possibly with Megumi S) and then anni Tsukasa into Karen unison for 5.2.2 like Yuki into Ruka unison earlier this year.
Shiki: More cumbersome hypercarry focused Yotsuha. Frankly speaking pointless if you have her. Won't solve any issue that light has.Fubuki: First step towards unbricking thunder. First of many more steps needed. I think the best chance for thunder is if the next admiral is actually as good as Aoi, so you can use maid Aoi again, which would kinda screw over this style though. Thunder players do currently however need exactly what Fubuki brings. OD and a damage dealer. You still lack major multi targeting buffs however, which makes it a bit awkward in practice, but should still work with Maki's debuff + blast capabilities. A-Aoi, Sharo, Maki, Fubuki, Yunyun (thunder form), Muua should make a solid team. Megumi instead of Maki could also work, but I think realistically it's much worse. The extra DR from the blast ex of Maki should not be underestimated, and Megumi would need way more set-up for the break which is currently awkward.
>>4339118>unbricking thunderlmaoThunder is still as strong as ever. Can you numberfags please stop exaggerating like elements become somehow bricked because they dont suit your specific playstyle?
>>4339119I'm fucking tired of this autist. I also check on /vg/ and he keeps telling newbies that good units and comps are actually bad because his fairly unique personal preferences are the only way you should play this game.
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Shiki actually is a Christmas style despite the art, they probably made the animation after they decided on the date.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqC3eKoUU_EStream starts now.
It seems that most of the new announcements will be in the 5.2 stream, this one is styles + filler basically.
>>4339132Recapping all the content of this year I see.
>>4339132They kept Fubuki's gasmask, interesting. I guess because she takes it off in her SS1 ult.
>>4339119Anon.. tell me your thunder team, then tell me the buffs and such you have, as well as the speed.I'm not saying you can't play thunder, but there's definitely several things missing right now:-A-Aoi problem. You either use her, or M-Aoi, but without M-Aoi you lack your typical damage dealer.-thunder enhance problem. You simply have no good one. Wakki does it once and never again, Tama doesn't do anything else.-Mind eye. Not exactly a problem unique to thunder, but it's still a thing that got worse if you want to opt into A-Aoi, as that makes suit Tama significantly worse. -Hit buff problem. You still use the old 11 cost ST yunyun buff like 2 years ago. Compared to what fire, dark and even light offer, it's underwhelming, while ice has a lot of styles that have innate hit buffs.-OD/SP, outside of high hit-count aoe thunder doesn't offer much, and that only works in aoe scenarios, aka rarely. That's why A-Aoi and the new Fubuki are actually really interesting. Helps Sharo do her job, plus whatever else you have with debuffs.If you build a team right now, you can't get around missing several rather important things. You can dislike the word brick, after all it's perfectly functional. HBR isn't that difficult of a game after all. But it compares badly to every other element right now. That's all there is to it. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way.
>>4339132I kinda like how they are messing around with fields lately. It's not as braindead anymore. That Shiki ult is also hella gay.
>>4339140Just use Maid Aoi. Stop acting like you ever needed another damage dealer before. Your obssession with using Admiral is what makes you stumble.
We're getting another Star Raid. Probably a Praying Eel type.And the next Score Attack is... another Death Slug recolor?>>4339146
>>4339149>Probably a Praying Eel typeYeah, it was on the logo. Ice, so they probably will release a style to shill in it soon.
It's interesting, but the 2nd artbook contains that mysterious flowers cg from 4.1 that was never actually used and only exists in the game files.
>DSBM indie solo womanThat in itself is depressing.
Think we'll get new girls at some point? Or we'll see the same 47 girls wearing different things for the rest of the game?
Am I going to have issues if I want to stick with the main girls? I'm not a big fan of mobile games (and bad at them of course).
>>4339162They explicitly said several times that they don't plan on adding new playable characters and will instead work on developing the existing cast. It's been almost 3 years and they haven't broken that promise yet.
Well, I guess collab girls are kind of new characters, but they are non-canon, so...
>>4339163If you just want to view the story, sounds like you'll be fine using what you want minus some points where you have to use specific units. There's high level content you may need specific teams for but doesn't seem to lock story bits behind it.
>>4339167If that's true then thanks.There was that loss against the senpais in the arena and then what's-her-face instructor saying our chances of passing the exam are slim, so that made me wonder. But maybe it's just part of the narrative. I also seem to get a lot of those connect two parts choices wrong.
>>4339168>chances of passing the exam are slimAh, you went over the turn limit.
>>4339169B-but I am going to pass the exam, r-right?
>>4339168>connect choices wrongYou cant get those wrong. Those are for flavor. You can pick whatever you want. People who always just pick the obviously correct options are extremely boring. Obviously the first choices on both sides are always "correct". But understand that there are literally running gags that depend on you pick everything wrong for as long as you can on those connect the choices trees. You usually raise some rare social stats by picking weird choices too.
>>4339208>Obviously the first choices on both sides are always "correct"That wasn't obvious at all to me. The only one I did right was "My legend starts now" and I am sure the first choices weren't those.Regardless of all that, I am extremely boring and not looking to change.
I'm glad the game doesn't shy away from Oneeloli, even if they're all false lolis.
>>4339216It's always 1 and 1. They literally made a gag out of it in a later event where a character has a mental breakdown and tells another character to just oick the first choices.Seriously, dont be stupid. Actually engage with the mechanic and pick some interesting choices. Some are funny, some help characterisation. This isnt a fucking test were you will be rewarded for getting it all "right". 99% of the time picking the normal/serious option cuts down the entite interaction and just skips it.
I actually think they have outdone themselves on yuri styles this year. We got 3 unisons with superb art and themes, a yuri themed yandere wedding style and this absolute unit of pure unadulterated lesbian rizz. That's not even mentioning the more subdued HisaIno pair style.I hope this trend continues next year.
Speaking of subtle pair styles. Anybody noticed how Fubuki is wearing something really similar to AkaMisa's Christmas styles from last year? Is this actually intentional and the devs made her a third wheel even in the style? That would be quite something.
Oh the Chapter 5.1 trophies finally unlocked now.
>>4339272Shut up.
>>4339460Intelligence of a common meal worm, but still capable of posting I see. That's impressive.
>>4339307>Anybody noticed how Fubuki is wearing something really similar to AkaMisa's Christmas styles from last year?I mean, it's just a generic gacha santa girl outfit, I won't say that they went out of their way to make them look uniform.
>>4339471It feels like it's right next to the stage from AkaMisa's style art.
>>4339474I'm sorry, but no, nothing about this art feels like it's next to the the stage from AkaMisa art, the background feel is completely different.I'm not saying that they didn't intend Fubuki to be a third wheel addition, to it, maybe it was the intention, but visually, it's just a random Christmas style art.
>>4339476Nah, I mean that's literally the backstage area from that art. It's even night time in both. But sure, it's vague enough.
next banner in global has been released. SS Maria, SS YYingxia, and S Carole
Newfag here. Does anybody have a link to /u/‘s thread/reaction as chapter 5 day 15 came out? When Yuki saved Ruka by pressing her boob and kissing on the lips, aka CPR?
Is the skill search on hbr.quest broken? I'm trying to search who has full enhance and it refuses to tell me. Trying to go from a character who has it only brings me to that characters skill
>>4339592Works fine for me. Maybe you left the character name in the field by accident?
>>4339594Searching just full or enhance doesn't work either. Getting to it from Tsukasa's screen just lists it as TTojoSkill03
>>4339594I think it only searches for Japanese names right now, so in this case it's フィルエンハンス What you can do instead, is to click on the buff effect icon, and it will insert the effect identifier you can use. In this case it would behttps://hbr.quest/skills/allyall.attackup.none
Missed the post link, but you get it.
>>4339608Thanks, this is what I was looking for
>>4339524Just go to th archives around the date of that release.
>>4339718Ah, I didn't know you could limit the search by date and I had to find the release date too. Thank you for informing me so I could find it too.For those interested on chapter 5 release spoilers: >>4152764
>>4339839We got a play order list in the OP that lists the release date of all JP story chapters and events. You won't have to search next time.
Oh yeah, it's a new month, so new 4komas.By the way, don't forget there's a 5.2 reveal stream today.
>>4339869Oh, gotcha. I thought the 'play order' was like what you should be doing at each chapter/day to be strong enough to clear the next content.
Ohshima Sugoroku
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Well that Fubuki memory episode was oddly ominous
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>>4339877That makes no sense. Nothing about those words even implies that. In the first place if you played the game you would know that is completely unnecessary and nobody would make a guide for that.
>>4339885Is it? I thought it was trying to put a positive spin on their bad situation.
New memory episodes were both really good. They just keep hitting with them lately.Shiki's was really perfect. It's funny how Shiki is the only person at the base Ruka will try to avoid talking to lolSeeing Shiki both confident and competent and equally insecure and competitive is nice. I'm always glad when they show off her harem of side-girls, but especially how she is actually teaching them to play music too. Ruka freaks out from all the innuendo, what a prude.And then there is Yanagi... she really is the biggest tachi. Total top. Not remotely jealous by Shiki's harem, but instead sees it as a charme point for Shiki. But she can totally take control of the pace and flow in an instant.YanaShiki is getting very small doses compared to most other ships, but they have an intensely unique flavor. A bit more seinen I guess. Can't get enough of it.Fubuki's episode is interesting. I think Maeda wrote this one. The heavy focus on music, social anxiety and the specific of what Arch of Light means to the writer- I mean Ruka. It really feels like Maeda wanted to talk about one of his favorite songs. And Fubuki's seraphim code is a reference to his old band. He seems to really like her.Anyway, I'm shocked to realize Fubuki has never taken off her gas mask in front of 31D (with the exception of the Akari event where she was dying of poison gas). Her monologues are always so raw and I appreciate that.Let's hope all this talk about living fast and loose because they can die any day won't be foreshadowing.
EN player here, they certainly are delivering on the gay.
>>43399064.1 is quite the important chapter for all 31A ships. It's a turning point in general, for many things. Day 0 and 1 are absolutely amazing.
Tsukasa's VA will be missing from today's stream due to health problems, I hope she's okay.
>>4339911It's the beginning of winter. The flu's going around already. It's not that big a deal unless they start saying she will be taking a hiatus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0d8BgZJCcoStarting soon
>>4339933I wouldn't call 2 hours soon.Anyway, I wonder how much of this stream will just be recaps.
The sound stream is delayed.
They just had to be lucky to get technical problems on this stream out of any during this year, my sides.
>>4339937This stream might be cursed.
Oh yeah, they can't stall this too much, there's a recap stream in two hours.
PV time
>>4339945Same one we already had. The new one comes later.
There's no way she would die when they're teasing it into your face like that.
>>4339947it's probably when she died back then
>>4339948Tsukasa was shown dying in her uniform.
>>4339947They did fake out Megumin's death before, but...>>4339948Nope, that is her 31A uniform.
>>4339950I think it will be a fakeout where dumbkasa disappears for good and it's always awakened from there.
>>4339949>>4339950shit Im blind her old outfit was black and white, I assume if the original tsukasa dies she'll revert into a nabby and become potato tsukasa permanently.
There's the datamined duel mode.
>Do ero
Duel replaces character stories in this chapter?
>>4339951>>4339952I love how you two have the exact opposite prediction.Although the idea that awakened can die and become a narby and leave behind a functioning dumbkasa makes no sense.Similarily I think the arc for her is supposed to be to embrace dumbkasa, which is probably why we spend most of the trailer just with awakened. This might be her last chapter...
>>4339953I did not expect it to be a board game... It's cute though.
>>4339957>So A!Tsukasa could disappear and dumbkasa is permanentIt's a weird situation where even though a character could technically survive, I would probably mourn the death more.
>Wakki in the backgroundYeah, I think it will be as some people predicted. this one is 31C secondary, and the 5.3 is 30G.
Wow
>>4339957>awakened can die and become a narby and leave behind a functioning dumbkasa makes no sense. I worded it as poorly as I can when I wrote it. White spell being referenced to Aoi dying and how her situation went but in this case tsukasa original personality dies become a narby and dumb tsukasa will and conscience will reincarnate dumb tsukasa w/ out the brainfog. similar to ruka reappearing in the base. >>4339959 it's bungo and it's permanent suffering for wakki
WHAT? Femme Ruka??? Long heair??
I doubt anybody predicted this one.
>>4339964I predicted Ruka, but surely not like this.
>>4339965I did ask for more Ruka styles that arent time limited. But I have to wonder how this one will work. No element, so it either has to be crit penetrate or Admiral.
A one style banner? Weird, they could throw at least an S in there.
>>4339967Not the first time they did that.
This shit is so weird.
I feel like I'm not getting something, but adding this after Aoi is just weird. I will reread all her descriptions later to understand what I'm missing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSdFew5AP7U5.2 PV
>>4339978So this PV is for both halves, right? Meaning the first part will end before all of this stuff in the trailer happens.
Yay, new buffs.>>4339981Yes, they said it's for the whole chapter.
Wait, only 2 styles? Meh.
Akari's VA is getting replaced.
>>4339986We already knew about that two weeks ago.
>>4339988We only know Akari's VA announced her hiatus, we didn't know how soon were they going to replace her.
>>4339989It was an indefinite hiatus. So they had to.
huh when did they start streaming on x
>>4339991They have been streaming xitter for like a year.
They buffed Seira, but I'm not sure she became competitive with the modern alternatives still. They also buffed dark Yuki, but what they did barely changes anything, they could've done more to make her relevant, especially after Iroha got her upgrade.
I wonder if the end of the year event is also 31A, and that's why they went easier on the chapter release.
You can see Ruka got her sword back. So stuff like swimsuit 4 and perseus could totally be after 5.1, the swords are not a factor.
>>4339997No you dont. The title art literally shows her using 1 sword and leaving the other behind, which I assume is a metaphor.
>>4339998Look at her back at 2:27
>>4339999So McDumbo, if she gets it back halfway through 5.2 that consequently means she doesnt have it between 5.1 and 5.2.
>>4340001I hate how much of a dipshit you're always being about this shit. You literally said that she won't and it's a metaphor one post ago, and now you're talking a smug cunt, like you weren't wrong just one post before.
>>4340002I'm saying that the cover art implies she wont have the second sword right away. That's why the damn thing focuses on her using ONE sword.You are the one who is objectively wrong here. Swimsuit 4 and Operation Perseus cannot take place between 5.1 and 5.2.
>>4340003I'm not saying your point is wrong, I'm just saying you can deliver it without immediately calling people dumb from a high horse.>Operation Perseus cannot take place between 5.1 and 5.2.Operation Perseus has Tama's biribiri addiction, it cannot take place prior to 5.1 either.
>>4340006If this chapter ends the way I predict then it can also not happen post 5.2. So we are reaching a critical level of Maeda induced inconsistencies in characterisation.
>No bond stories in 5.2, replaced by duelsThat's really disappointing... Bond stories and especially team ones are the soul of the game. I guess at least Ruka gets to be super stinky for a week or so in game
>>4340008Honestly, it would be so funny to see this chapter end with a complete happy ending status quo too, after all the grim foreshadowing in the PV.
>>4340009I guess they have reached critical mass where they would rather save up characterisation for memory episodes and events. Bonds also dont matter anymore past 4, so there isn't any gameplay incentive anymore.But they did upgrade the style specific Soul items, so now you can level those up to be much better, which might encourage more people to do the memory episodes.
>>4340010I mean... I expect everyone to survive. But there are very obvious hints that something is going to change about Karen and Tsukasa which cannot be ignored for the prior status quo.
>>4340009>I guess at least Ruka gets to be super stinky for a week or so in gameWho knows, maybe duels still end up with you shuwa shuwa with your opponent.
Is this a spoiler of who you can duel other than 31a?
>>4340017They still require you to at least touch bonds(I would be really surprised if someone didn't by 5.2, but who knows people), here Megumi requires her 1st bond.
>>4339978So first of all, screw you HBR for making me tear up at a freaking trailer.Now here are my predictions/things I noticed after watching it a few times. Karen's hoodie is torn open on the cover art, which I think represents Karen-chan disappearing. In the trailer she says Asakura needs to be strong on her own, be able to stand up for herself. I think we might be reaching the point where Karen-chan is about to disappear. They fake that out by making Asakura yell that she doesnt want it to be over after showing a shot of Tsukasa dying, but I am certain that scene is actually her holding onto Karen-chan and refusing to let her go.Furthermore there are several shots of a bloody red vision where someone looks at Tsukasa. And then we got the CG of Tsukasa bleeding and seemingly dead. I think this is Karen-chan's work. She is trying to kill awakened Tsukasa for some reason, but that vision might not what actually happens. The scene where Tsukasa is actually collapsing her has hold her waist as if she has been stabbed there, not her head bleeding.They are going for Shikoku as expected and it has been turned into a crystal landscape... and there is a Cancer that causes tornadoes. That's why they learn to surf on their deflector inside the storm.Ruka gets her second sword back somehow, but it's unclear how.White Spell is a farewell song, so someone is going to disappear for sure this time.Wakki features prominently on the art and has her eyepatch taken off. The eyepatch represents her childhood games with Bungo. Taking it off means she is dropping that persona, which is worrying.The thing I dont understand is all that talk about a counter for Tsukasa... Can someone explain that? It seems relevant, because even the chapter date reveals used a counter. At first I thought it was the population counter on the clock tower, but now...
>>4340017The cat is in there, so I doubt these are opponents. These might be the play pieces.
>>4340020The counter shows our intelligence officer's IQ dropping to Dumbkasa's levels
>>4340021>The cat is in there, so I doubt these are opponents.Byakko can play othello, she probably can play this game too.>These might be the play pieces.They're pieces, but they'll most likely be unlocked after you defeat the challenger. The 1st day has Ichigo and Wakki and these are the unlocked pieces on this pic.
>>4340022If her IQ is that high she might as well invent a superweapon that instantly wipes out all Cancer lol
>>4340023The cat isnt actually in the cast though. It is nebulously in the menus. It's relevance is still unknown.
>>4340025That's Byakko's chibi, why do you assume it's a cat.
>>4340026Tigers have a different body structure. That looks like the black cat. Maybe I'm wrong and the SD shape causes Byakko to look like that.
>>4340020(continued)There is a meteor that arrives in the last second of the trailer. And the main cover art also features a gigantic red comet. I think that's a new Cancer coming from space, like the original 18. Might be a new Mother Cancer even.I guess I should have considered that Cancer could send reinforcements...
>>4340027That's how the chibi artist draws her. I don't have the full picture of her chibi(or maybe I have it somewhere, but can't find it right now), but here's her head for example.
Who is the fourth person in the back of the key visual? I see Yuki, Megumi, Tama and... who? Ruka for the 2nd time?
I'm really worried about where 5.2.1 will end. I don't know if there will be a natural cliffhanger point. Also considering the trailer is for both parts we can assume they will not keep the chapter split. It will just be 5.2 after February.
>>4340029(continued)I now noticed that Karen-chan is acting weirdly protective of Tama. There are at least three scenes where those two interact in the trailer. Is Maeda finally bringing back that dynamic from the Survival Island event that just came out of nowhere and then disappeared right away?
>>4340008Don't even think about trying to connect main story and event timeline because it never works.There are dozens of events that happen between chapter 1 and 2 and 3 which literally can't realistically fit anyway.
Snow white Yuki buff irks me a bit. It's like they got annoyed by people asking them to buff her and went "here's your buff, now fuck off", I see no attempt by them to actually improve the style in any meaningful way, it's basically nothing.
>>4340043This is why we had to move most events to the backend past chapter 4.2. But yes, the absolute inconsistency of time in the game is a well known issue for years now. But this particular issue with characterisation bleeding into content that should take place earlier is something Maeda keeps doing in particular.
>>4340054I feel like her Yukata and Light style deserves buffs more than snow white.
>>4340060Indeed. Her dark style already has it's niche use. The other two were just powercrept into irrelevancy.
>>4340060I think they are all slightly different situations. Dark Yuki has potential to become a non-niche dark style a lot of people constantly use, if they just put a bit of effort into improving it. Light needs an overhaul of a whole mechanic, so they might not want to touch it, the same thing happened with Megumi's stun ults.Yukata is one of many old styles that just needs a global anti-powercreep buff. You could just take all these old useless styles and bump up their numbers a little bit, make them do more damage, add more hits to one hit ults, shit like that. There's nothing hard about it, literally just bump up the numbers in your database. They still won't be that great, but enough for people who like the characters.
>>4339978I just realized, they probably spoiled the bad ending(s?) in this PV, to bait people. Something similar to THAT sequence from 5.1, but it's actually in the trailer.
>>4340077I kinda doubt they will have bad endings this elaborate.
>>4340079I feel like that shot of dead Tsukasa that doesn't look like the scene they show later in the PV could totally be it. There are also pictures of 31 a room covered in blood, I think this could also be it. A bad ending where Karen-chan goes nuclear because you skipped her segments or something like that and goes on a murder spree.
>>4340080Hmm... but I don't think Karen-chan can actually take A!Tsukasa in a fight. It would have to be some underhanded bullshit or she would have to already be weakened. If she really stays perma-awakened for most of the chapter she probably will have massive mental backlash and headaches so maybe she becomes vulnerable. The trailer constantly shows her coughing and convulsing as if she is straining her body beyond the limit. Maybe that's what the counter is about.That aside, I don't see any reason to believe the shot with the blood is in the military base. Looks more like a normal school to me. There were many shots of Asakura's past in the trailer where she interacts with the cliques that tormented her. Then bloody hands after she killed them.
>>4340081>That aside, I don't see any reason to believe the shot with the blood is in the military base.Pause the ones they show at 1:53. it's 100% 31A room, it even has the same clock that's at Tsukasa's bed.
Rewatching the trailer over and over, I'm really not looking forward to those flashbacks where Asakura got bullied and interacts with the dudes. It's uncomfortable enough as it is.>>4340082That was incredibly hard to see, but it does look like a room in the military dorms, you are right. Not that this really gives us any context.
This SiL version of White Spell has altered lyrics just like previous SiL covers of yanaginagi songs.What I find interesting is that the lyrics きみ の こと は あいし う さ。changed to きみ の こと は あいし う さ。If we believe that these songs reflect pairs from their chapters each, then the original White Spell would be from Ichigo to Aoi. But this version... it's hard to say which direction it goes. Asakura to Tsukasa? Regardless the line "I love you" is intensely direct and really makes me wonder if we will finally get a confession... only to be plunged into sadness right after.KareTsuka is by far my favorite ship in the game, because it is the most complex, while also being rather simple in a different way. Don't break my soul Maeda...
>>4340085Oops, I posted the same lyrics twice. The original lyrics were きみ の あと を おいかけ た。
They introduced 5x20 multi-hit with the new Ruka, so every 5x10 unit is already on the power creep list.
>>4339995After thinking about it a bit, I think 31A event is not very likely due to the MC character issue.Ruka just got her style.Karen and Tsukasa styles are likely being saved for the 5.2.2 timing.Yuki's unison wasn't that long ago, while not impossible, she's likely not getting it now.Tama getting a third event with her face on it would be cringe. Not impossible, she didn't get a style this year yet, but cringe.Megumi already had an event this year. Also not impossible, both Yuina and Adel had a normal and a swimsuit event, but I just don't see it.So either cringe, just a different squad(most likely), or maybe a group event.
>>4340067I think they might not be aware of how good Iroha is in dark. It's easy to say "it's a fire style, why would you use her in dark. You'd use the dark style". But that SP burst is extremely useful in any element, and she doesn't exactly lack the SP to set up the dark field once more after removing it, because her SP regen also works for herself. Balanced. Then she has dark crit damage which is much more rare than fire crit damage is in fire, and currently only on a char that doesn't really offer much else outside of aoe situations. The fire crit damage buffer options are better there.Let's just call it the curse of breakers. Regardless, if you really NEED a buff remover, she's the best choice due to fitting fairly well into dark regardless, and dark can be forced. Bungo is Bungo, and has no further support at all, and QED will always suffer in an otherwise elemental team as she doesn't increase the damage at all, but at least offers some SP on buff removal, while also being only ST. Of course you could try an entire piercing crit team with her if the damage is enough.
>bloody classroom and bloody peopleCould it be possible that all those scenes are from Karen-chan's POV? That's how she sees the world.
>>4340090>5x20 multi-hitSounds like a hard counter for Gold Cancers.
I NEED that doujin!
I was kinda hyped when they revealed it, but now I'm not sure how I feel about Ruka's latest non-limited and probably most-used meta style being off-model for her and not playing into her normal character.
>>4340158Oh come on. She got 3 handsome girl styles (4 if you count the Yuina unison), but just one pretty girl style. One more pretty style won't hurt. Ruka has the capacity for both directions. As long as they don't give her a cutesy style we will be fine.And anyway, it's not off-theme for her. Music is her thing, this style is all about singing.
Wakki on the chapter visual makes me think that the PV is actually hiding some massive plot parts of the chapter, like a whole subplot, unlike the recent ones that were spoiling too much. Similar to how 4.1 PV completely hid Megumi's mental state despite looking so spoilery.
Is there a crowd control Crush unit? I'm getting tired of attacks by multiple enemies weak to Crush when all I have is a single target Megumin.
>>4340231The skill search on hbr.quest isn't really intuitive, but seaching for "all.strike" should give you a list of green AOE attack skills.
>>4340237NTA, but you don't coincidentally know how to really use that? I've struggled to find anything more than the absolutely most basic stuff. But for example searching for elemental def down (i.e. fire def down) only ever gives me fire moves with def down effects rather than actually fire def down (which is also on non fire attacks).
>>4340242I don't know if these skill names were lifted directly from the assets or if the site lists them somewhere, but you can click on the effect icon and the search bar will append that effect. In your example, I would search for Isuzu, click the fire defense down effect and remove the "single." from the new "single.defensedown.fire"
Anybody else getting repeated Discrepancy Detected in Data errors upon completing a bond event?
Is there an easy way to find an specific scene? There's this scene near the start of chapter 3 where yuki gets ultra mad and there's the choice of telling her to hit, kiss or scold ruka if she says teheperinko againI wanted to see the different options but can't find the scene again
>>4339978So, thoughts about the trailer:Bad:- Ruka just getting her sword back with no explanation? I was expecting the writing to plummet if Maeda started overusing multiverse crap, but if things like that happen... Hope I'm wrong- Two parts divide. I don't like it at all. Prefer having my meal in one go, especially if lots of plot threads will hang in the air for 2.5 month.- Duels. Seriously the fuck is shit? We are losing character development in exchange for a shitty minigame. Who the fuck though it was a great idea? Good: - It's Karen's chapter AND Tsukasa's chapter. That alone means alot.- Karen finally showing that her title is a real thing!- Don't remember where I read this but aomething something more impactful choices. It's confusing. The game clearly will have a canon continuation route so... It is interesting how they would make it more significant than in chapter 5.1 or 1 bad endings. Would other routes give different perspectives and information? Looking forward to, positively Speculations:Easy , grounded, obvious:- The wind cancer is just a midboss, true boss will be meteorite cancer fought while it is still landing- Karen-chan and Awakening will both disappear. But for Karen it will be thesis - antithesis - synthesis thing, not sure about Tsukasa.- We will not get 5.1. level treat.- Karerin is obviously the one who confessed killings to cops. Just hope that kill count of Karen-chan was more than a bunch of bullies, more significant.- Karen chan takes over the body for the most part of chapter, Awakening follows suit.- Tsukasa gets separated for a significant time during chapter. Either scheming or after Karen's attack. Wild and groundless: - Karen and Tsukasa both deflect the military. They have surprisingly aligned motivation to fuck it up. Maybe even faking death.- Very little time in base compared to other chapters. It's a long trip afterall.
Who are the silhouettes here? 3 of them look like 31A but the last one I can't tell.Also what are those patterns on the bottom right? >>4340470The sword is inconsistent. Sometimes she has one like here and the cutscene where they are all being blown, but in the gameplay against the boss and during the 3D dungeon she has two. So maybe the gameplay just wasn't updated in time for the trailer? Who knows
Imagine if they can somehow separate Karen-chan and Awakened Tsukasa from Karen and Tsukasa, and they're somehow given their own bodies. They're then treated as separate units
>>4340231Almost every Blunt/Crush style has a AoE move...
>>4340455Nope. You will just have to go through the days and find it.
>>4340470>overuse of multiverse crapLiterally no indication of this.>but why two swords with no explanation??? The fucking main art shows Ruka using one sword. Why the heck are you complaining about there being no explanation of how she gets the other sword back IN THE TRAILER? Do you not realize how absolutely retarded that is?
>>4340493>silhouettesSome people on xitter speculate it's Megumi, Yuina and Tama. But nobody recognizes the third person. Personally I think it's the other squad leaders of the operation. Ichiko, Yuina and Ichigo.>maybe it's just gameplay/modelsNope, there is a cutscene where she has two. That one is manually animated, so it shouldn't be an error.
There's a better version of the visual on the website where the silhouettes are not as blurry. https://heaven-burns-red.com/main-story-5-arc2/assets/download/wallpaper_android.pngI think it's just 31A.
>>4340508It still feels off. But that might just because of the low detail. But even then, this could only be Tama, Ruka, Yukki and Megumin. KareTsuka not being in the background would have made sense if Ruka wasn't literally in both places. Or it implies those two will be separated from the group for a while.
>>4340243Oh, you can click on that if you are in the skill search only. Okay, that helps.. and is most definitely not intuitive. I always felt like it's really bad for new players, because there's no easy way to filter and look for specific abilities you may want.
>>4340493>silhouettes and patternsFormer is 31A, later is too chaotic to be anything meaningful > So maybe the gameplay just wasn't updated in time for the trailer? Hope you are right>>4340501>Literally no indication of thisSo far it's great, but plot fringes very close to this thing. Time-traveling, parariru warudo talk from ch 2, Megumin powers, Ruka's precognition, the cat. It's all too easy to fuck up>spoilerI was going to argue that not only trailer but also promo art has two swords, but upon closer inspection the second sword looks different from the first one. Yeah, I know Ruka's swords aren't the same, but it's a little bit more than that. 2 handed perhaps?
>>4340538Even if it was the same swords she always uses, that just doesn't matter. Everyone expects her to get her second sword back eventually, but putting this as a negative because the trailer doesn't explain it was a dumb move, just admit it. The art even shows Ruka only using one sword, which clearly implies she will fight that way for a while.That's like saying it's bad that Wakki is in the main art but doesnt appear in the trailer. How dare they not explain why she is important? Bad chapter!You get it.
They might have just thrown all of it at us in the trailer, but I think there has been a sharp increase in 3D animated scenes in chapter 5.2? 5.1 had like 3 and only one of those was proper CGI. The stuff in this trailer feels like on blast the entire time. No wonder recent events have felt a bit lower budget, they were pouring it all into the story chapter.
>>4340470>very little time at the baseI think the trailer showed a new forward base. Might be that rumored Osaka base from 5.1.
New Amari 4koma. Fancy gradient.
Direct shock to the clit...
>>4340554What's weird is that I haven't spotted any Graphinica or StealthWorks cinematics.StealthWorks usually do the final boss animation, so it's probably that the final boss will indeed be the meteor.
>>4340651I assume they are saving up some surprises. We got not a single shot of Wakki and 31C, so they are omitting and entire arc in favor of the KareTsuka stuff. I think we will be quite surprised when the chapter drops.
I just realized one thing. The 2nd part of the chapter is not fully ready yet. It was probably even less ready when they were making this PV. But the PV is for the entire chapter. What if the the trailer is partly the way it is because they couldn't finish it in time? What I mean is that, for example, the greater focus on (presumably) the chapter's mid-boss instead of the main boss, as opposed to the previous trailers, is not because they're trying to hide it, but because the final parts with that boss weren't quite finished yet when they were making the PV, so they couldn't show it as intended. Or them showing a lot of animated scenes like >>4340554 said because all of these were already finished, unlike the gameplay format parts. Or maybe the crucial Wakki sub-plot parts are too in the 2nd half?
>>4340741To be fair, they just bought themselves 2 months. All the recordings and animations should be done at this point. So I think they might just be putting on the finishing touches and solving bugs and play testing. Especially because it looks like they are continuing to make more 3D dungeons. Unlike the old 2D stuff where you could just slap any shape on the map, those actually take time to test.Or maybe the CGs aren't ready yet as they clearly need several months per CG with how few there are in events.
>>4340455Usually no, but this is /u/ and the option of kissing Ruka made me remember.Chapter 3 Day 2, 16:30
>>4340651Actually nvm because pic rel is 100% Graphinica model
>>4340805Thanks sis
btw, how do you people keep playing after knowing every character is dead and they're just a slime pretending to be them?
>>4340856How do you post without spoiler tags even though everyone else is able to do it?
I think Shiki might be a bit gay
>>4340860That's crazy talk.
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>>4340856 How do I know you aren't some bot pretending to be human? Or if we go down to it, how do you know that people other than you have a soul and are not some bio-robo-puppets?
>>4340856Every character is in fact just a set of 2D sprites with voice acting on top.
Somehow this non-existent ship doesn't die.
>>4339107I really like the feeling of RukaSharo here.
I give Yuugen a lot of crap for his general art, but I gotta acknowledge an inspired artwork when I see it. The way he drew Ruka here is absolutely badass and the Asakura symbolism, the Tsukasa hiding her mouth (gesture that implies dying of sickness) and the meteor in the center that everyone revolves around are so good.I think this is the first chapter cover I truly love. 5.1 was good for its simplicity at least, but this is just conventionally amazing.
Someone on xitter pointed out that all the enemies in Duel mode Ruka can fight on the first day are the dumbass squad from 5.1... lolBasically the stupid ones are easy mode.
Yukki got a new sprite with built-in blush and teary eyes, hmm...
>>4341141What the heck are you doing to her Ruka-san?
Did they nerf the desert worm? My refuses to reapply his field. Wierd.
>>4341211You mean the hard mode version? No way. I literally fought it yesterday and it normally does its sandstorm move after a while.
Just finished chapter 2. Lots of dust in the air i swear. That aside, the quality of the writing, the music, the decent animations (for a vn) and the characters deserve praise. And a bit of my money. The gacha has been abysmal for me though, every 10 pul ends with As and maybe 1-2 S. A paid 10 pull ended with 3 SS. So i guess the rates are really bad for normal pulls and really good for paid pulls.
>>4341789It's not over yet. Now you need to play Ichigo's event.
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>>4341789The rates aren't much different between pair and unpaid, except for Step up banners which guarantee an SS at the end.... and of course just the rate red guaranteed banner or ticket. Anyway after beating Chapter 2 you need to get two more gut punches from Ichigo's event and the Swimsuit event. Maybe Yuina's event for good measure.
>>4341789And that is HBR being on a better side of gacha hell. There is 3% rate for SS and as far as I can tell, it's pretty accurate. For comparison:Arknights: 2%1999: 1.5%Limbus: 1.3%FGO: 1%Hoyoshit: 0.6%
>>4341789Gacha is gacha, anon. HBR is at least I think pretty generous with the amount of premium currency it gives. But at the end of the day most mainstream gachas still feature a 0.7-0.85% pick-up rate regardless of the 'SS' rate so you're getting screwed no matter where you go
>>4341990And the SS of your choice is guaranteed after the 15th 10x pull. A bit steep, but still better than the 60% or so you get at pity in other gachas
>>4341211That only happens if you are too strong. It reapplies it right after breaking, but if you kill it right then and there, yeah. You never see it again. Wormy isn't what it was before. I got a 7 turn overkill with 1 team and no bonus stats by now. No need for nerfs, the power-creep of the game passively makes it easier.I honestly think the first appearance of it was the only really hard one. No bonus stats available, 10 less level cap, no style levels, no keys. It was a fight alright.
>>4342033>damage in the hundreds of millionsWhat the hell?
>>4342092Numberfags being retards and thinking everyone is as autistic as them.
>>4342115But how do you even get that? It's either an oversight, which is bad, or intentional, which is worse.
CH4 Spoiler/QuestionCan humans use Seraph? If not, does human have any way to fight against the cancer? It seems weird to me that the idea of using the narbies to fight against the cancer was supposedly such an heated debat with people dying over it, if the only other option was for humanity to just die without fighting back.
>>4342171Shouldn't you already have the answers if you played chapter 4? This is a weird question to ask specifically there.Humans can't use seraph, they are weapons that belong to the narbie. Only they can summon them. It was only a debate by people who actually care about not enslaving and brainwashing another species and implanting dead girls souls into them. You know, those weirdoes with empathy and the common sense to see the consequences.
>>4342180>You know, those weirdoes with empathy and the common sense to see the consequences>The empathy speech doesn't make much sense when billions litteraly died over this with litteraly no other way to fight back.
>>4342182Only as far as you know, dumbo. The tech in this world is a lot more advanced than it may seem. They went all in on narbie when they still had avenues open. Brainwashing an alien species to fight for you while they think they are humans could totally not backfire at all...
>>4342184If they started with the same population as our earth, billions litteraly already died. If you believe that they had other options and that they left over 99.9% of earth population die for shit and giggle, I don't know what to say.
>>4342180>implanting dead girls soulsThat retardation again. It's all too tiresome
>>4342186I guess you pay about as much attention as the average EN player... it took 20 years till the fucking military even admitted there was an alien invasion. Since then it has been 30 more years, in which they barely kept humanity alive with their narbie project which by all counts is a total failure as it barely halted the enemy advancement and there are only small pockets of humanity left and even that more because they used the Cancer carapaces to hide domes from them.If you realize they had fusion reactor tech, a shield so powerful that even Cancer couldn't pass it, actual shackles that allow them to suppress and control Cancer, cannons that can chain something that is extra-dimensional (no seraph required) and even had a gauss cannon that can actually annihilate Cancer in development, you could say that they focused on the wrong trump card. All of this was developed on the side while narbie were fighting and losing the war, but then all of it got lost because they got overrun.Not to mention that there were legit psychics who were capable of actually hurting Cancer. Evil spirits can possess the Cancer hivemind. My point is, Cancer are not invincible and are weak to both tech and spiritual methods. The only argument for a narbie army is to delay the enemy long enough to develop these things, but I will remind you again that they had 20+ years to unite and invest into something else. And then they had another 30 years to phase narbie out and get other methods. The truth is that they fucked up and got most of humanity wiped out and narbie are the only thing still keep the fight going after humans already gave up>>4342190It was already proven to you in every conceivable way that I'm right. You never had an actual counter-argument and it might piss you off, but that's your problem.
>>4342196That's because you ignored any argument that didn't suit you. Fine, one more time. Why did Ruka got BTFO'd by navi and not even once by actual Ruka?
>>4342208You mean an argument you never made before? One that has zero bearing on anything? Try again, but this time formulate a proper sentence and then explain what your actual point is.
>>4342196>If you realize they had fusion reactor tech, a shield so powerful that even Cancer couldn't pass it, actual shackles that allow them to suppress and control Cancer, cannons that can chain something that is extra-dimensional (no seraph required) and even had a gauss cannon that can actually annihilate Cancer in development, you could say that they focused on the wrong trump card. All of this was developed on the side while narbie were fighting and losing the war, but then all of it got lost because they got overrun.>Not to mention that there were legit psychics who were capable of actually hurting Cancer. Evil spirits can possess the Cancer hivemind. >>My point is, Cancer are not invincible and are weak to both tech and spiritual methods. The only argument for a narbie army is to delay the enemy long enough to develop these things, but I will remind you again that they had 20+ years to unite and invest into something else. And then they had another 30 years to phase narbie out and get other methods. The truth is that they fucked up and got most of humanity wiped out and narbie are the only thing still keep the fight going after humans already gave upThis just doesn't work in scale. Those weapons are large scale weapon who takes a large amount of preparation and setup, and while it can work for a single setup against large cancers, it's not just something you can shot at every single cancer. A large shield is entierly useless as an option against an enemy who can litteraly just wait you out and spread, and chaining something extra dimensionnal is a very specific counter against a specfic cancer. The only option you mentionned who would actually work on a large scale conflict against the cancer is psychic, which as far as we know, are far too few in numbers to be a relevant ressource.
>>4342212Wrong on all accounts.Destroy Mother Cancer = no more enemy reinforcements. If that gauss cannon is powerful enough, that would be a winning strategy.All Cancer are extra-dimensional beings. That's literally why regular weapons can't permanently defeat them, yolu just destroy their shells which repair themselves. So chains that can tie down extra-dimensional beings are basically the perfect counter. Did you think those Aegis cannons were made for Flathand specifically, an enemy that only appeared recently? They were going to use them against Skullfeather long before Flathand existed. And Skullfeather has no phasing ability.Shackles that can subdue and control Cancer are somehow not relevant? Fire normal munitions at Cancer till they collapse and need to regenerate, then shackle them. Bam, you got yourself fodder to throw at more Cancer.A shield that has lasted over a decade doesn't get "waited out". This could have literally kept the research going till they are finished, but instead the Cancer that were already inside for research killed everyone or made them flee. But not even Flathand got in until Yukki turned the shiled off. So it's really extremely useful if the tech had been explored more. The fact that you somehow believe the psychics were the most viable option is insane and sad...The truth is that humanity fucked around found out. Waited too long and then haphazardly did half-hearted measures all over the globe instead of actually focusing on something.
>>4342211This one? Never used , but you ignored for example Ruka's own admission before her mother that she is PomPom. Explaining this one : As we know, Megumin actually sent Ruka to the past. It wasn't a memorydive of any sort. And every time something forced her back. That something was PomPom. And even Ruka and Megumin speculated that maybe it is because of the paradox. Paradox preventing two instances of the same person from meeting and thus shitting the timeline. What they were wrong about is that they thought original Ruka was the cause of paradox. Except it wasn't the case, Ruka-seraph interacted with Ruka-human and was fine before PomPom showed up. It also wasn't because of humans realising time shinanigans overall. Hinata knew something was up every time and even in the end she openly talked with seraph Ruka about this stuff, and everything was fine. So either paradox is cause by PomPom meeting her future self, or we are attributing navis with the ability to say "nope" to any violator of time-space
>>4342196>Not to mention that there were legit psychics who were capable of actually hurting Cancer.It's hard to say, we actually don't know yet if it's something psychics can do in general or if Megumi is special like that. They would probably give us an answer to that in the future, what happened to the whole psychic order thing feels like a bit of a hole in the current worldbuilding.
>>4342225My theory is probably too complex for being true, but I think the PomPom we see in chapter 5.1 is actually Ruka who went back in the past to change the course of time and ejected herself because it fucked the timeline/future she comes from. It would also make the fact that PomPom already had two swords at that time more logical, especially when you think that PomPom was exactly at the right place at the right time to save Ruka's dad who's most likely very important if you take into account that there's a huge probability that he's the one who started the Seraph project.
Ruin Bullet seems kinda cheap. It pretty much necessitates having a healer who can revivify
>>4342413Or use Aoi, or control it, or kill it fast, or pick anyone with taunt and use her as a designated bullet sponge
>have to reinstall>failed to unzip fileI can't fix this and I've lost the whole days because of this!>>4342415Or stun it
>>4342217>The truth is that humanity fucked around found out.Such are the woes of Superhuman difficulty on Ironman.
Is the main current goal still trying to make it to kyoto and reach the secret underground lab thing?
>>4342225Again, what does this prove? Seraph Ruka IS Pompom, physically. She is still the narby. Nothing you say here in any way challenges my argument. In fact last time I repeatedly told you that Pompom is a special case because her mimicry was clearly imperfect as she had none of Ruka's memories and only her general personality. Every single thing Pompom remembers is from the 7 years she lived with the Kayamoris. Whatever happened during her transformation was clearly faulty.
>>4342483No. That is immediately solved in chapter 5. Just play it.
>>4342491Fine, okay. You almost convinced me. But first let's see how the Wakki stuff goes in 5.2 . Assuming that japanese was correct and it's about her realising her naviness
>>4342483It looks like the interior of a fusion reactor
hbr.quest is up. Ruka feels retardedly unnecessarily broken, they really want this month to do well in sales.
>>4342615It should stack with all existing buffs right? Seira's crit damage buff did. Well, other than Seira's crit damage buff I guess now. So even with 3.4x damage hit buffs and A-Aoi + elemental crit damage, you'd sit at a respectable 2.27x damage increase. And it only goes up with worse hit buffs which are obviously much more common.We are at the point where more damage isn't very useful in some elements, but she's definitely good. For example fire already has the issue already that you can't fully set up Adel anyways, because she'd kill the last SA in one hit, and technically limited Ruka is the highest damage Attacker there. Similar for dark, you have more than enough damage, so the burst of OD and SP via Iroha is comfy.An interesting character that rather than burst and speed goes more into more damage. I'm sure there are teams that want this, ESPECIALLY piercing critical teams will just love this Ruka.
>>4342148This game has many multipliers. Mind you, the boss also has like 200m HP, so while overkill it's not really THAT much.Has nothing to do with number-fag. It's just basic team synergy and playing the game as intended. (stack as much different effects as you can, usually twice each)
I don't know if it was always like that(if so, then ignore this), but according to the site, buffed Seira's crit rate goes higher than 100% on higher skill levels. I wonder if it's intended for some future mechanics like enemies debuffing your crit rate or some sort of overcrit buff scaling with your crit rate above 100%
>>4342637Don't some score attacks bonuses already lower your crit rate?
>>4342637Some chars could do that before as well, just with the style passive bonus.But yeah, as the other anon said, SA can sometimes lower crit-rate. And as a rule of thumb stacking works like this (or at least so far it did):-Passives-"use", up to two times and separated between normal and elemental-turn (doesn't stack twice)So technically you can get close to 600% ish crit-rate now. If that'd be able to become damage it'd be kinda silly.
>>4342622Both her ex skill crit and multi hit doesn't stack. They are a flat 100% and 80% respectively. So technically something like x2 yunyun actually gives you more rengeki damage and hits.
>>4342736It clearly says Ruka's buff gives 3x80%, so 240% damage and destruction rate. x2 Yunyun buff gives more rengeki hits yes, but less damage than Ruka's buff.
I will never fogirve the Chinese for making Sharo talk like a retard.
>>4342440start the launcher in admin mode
>>4342736>don't stackThat refers to its own effect. We only had very few duration based buffs till now, Seira's tower enhanced ex that gave crit damage (and rate) which would fully stack with use based buffs, and Yukki's "enhance" you'd get when removing debuffs with her one style.Under normal circumstances, all of Ruka's buffs SHOULD fully stack with use based stuff as well, but we'll have to see.
>31-B eventThe difficulty is as much of a gut punch as the rest of the event, my goodness.
>>4342771you mean the one after chapter 2? It really wasn't. The superhero one was for me as it was the first one with an inflated recommended rating that I took on. Needed to grind my team up to 80 so they weren't getting one shot. God damn Ichigo is a glass canon. I get that I only had an A, but the other 2 As I was using could at least take a few hits
>>4342771Getting everyone to level 30 is really not that hard. The challenge rating is really low too.
>>4342773>level 80 for Carol's event>inflated challenge ratingThis is too funny. What an upside down universe EN is.
>>4342775Was it different in JP? Caroles event is more in line with the challenge rating for the rest of the Chapter 2 events sans the 31-B one
>>4342777Carol's event is super easy, even with a story accurate team. In fact it's an event that is better when you are underleveled as the boss is one that you can literally just outlast while 31A chips it down. They made it so you don't even have to win yourself.But anyway, if you paid attention to the story play order list in OP, playing Carol's event after chapter 2 is intended.
>>4342780I've just been using the recommended ratings as a guide. I was just getting wiped by the strong Cancer encounters and didn't want to just pass by them. They were harder than the actual boss
>>4342782Don't play like that you weirdo... Follow the guide or at least check the requirement for events. This shit will only get worse as time goes on. Challenge rating means literally shit all.
The first half is dropping in like 8 hours, any last minute predictions? I think Ruka getting her sword back will be 5.2 equivalent to the 5.1 Higuchi subplot. And she has it in the mid-boss fight sequence because it's already resolved by then. And Wakki's subplot, whatever it is, will be mostly in the 2nd half.
Whelp, right before the chapter let me share some HBR doujins that for some reason nobody ever posted.The Amari artist's doujin quadrology (yes, A-san does use the shadow clone technique in bed in one of them):https://exhentai.org/g/2618092/852f1479e5/https://exhentai.org/g/2662505/4f118282e4/https://exhentai.org/g/2934215/dd3075e7e4/https://exhentai.org/g/2934229/b95f6e680c/Honestly, this artist is a hero to the fandom. High quality doujins with both nice art and a mix of character drama and sex are rare.Yukki became a loli doujin (SFW):https://exhentai.org/g/2533722/87aa7c58b6/YanaShiki doujin:https://exhentai.org/g/2502137/96cb0ac9f2/
>>4342806I already expressed mine, not sure what can be added. As for yours I think getting sword back is a deal of 1 or 2 days at max. Main bulk of Wakki's subplot will be in part one, but I'm not sure if it will be even completely resolved by the end of chapter. Reasoning - part 2 will probably be too packed to fit it, with part 1 more relaxed.
>>4342807There are 2 RukaYuki doujins at dynasty.I specifically liked this one:https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/amnesia_syndromeKinda reminded me why I like yuri in the first place.
Are all events so emotionally charged? I sure hope the U140 event is a bit more comedic.
>>4342908Let's see. If you only watched RftB and 1186 then congrats, you witness creme a la creme. If you are talking about drama, then yes, they sure try to put it into every event, but quality vary. It generally good, but sometimes there are meh events or even dogshit.
>>4342908Not all of them. Some, like RftB and 1186 as >>4342911 mentioned, are very much so.While the quality does vary, most don't even try to hit that hard and a few are more light-hearted. U140 is on the lighter side.
>>4342911>or even dogshitOnly the first AB collab. Nothing else. Stop spreading misinformation to paint someone's view.Also that anon should have played Mari's event already as well.
New chapter dropped. Remember our system from last time everyone. Just for the initial month of release!DAY ?Spoiler >>4339102
>>4342953>>4342955>>4342956>>4342957Hey spambot, how about you stop reposting the same old shit from danbooru and find some better timing? Ffs.
>>4342965Look at the time between posts. It's not even the full minute. Can't we report bots?
After playing around with Diva Ruka's buffs, they work exactly how the showcase stream said 単独発動 skills would work: Her Critical Rate, Critical Damage, and Rengeki DO NOT stack with other usage buffs or itself, unless the buff was gained through passive skills/abilities. Usage buffs can be stacked but are not used unless their combined power exceeds the power of Ruka's buffs.
>>4343066>and Rengeki DO NOT stack with other usage buffs or itselfEven if the character only has one on their skill? I understand why they did that, but this is kind of cringe.
>>4343068>Even if the character only has one on their skill?Yes, instead it gets "saved" until Ruka's buffs run out.
I've heard that some people have already finished it. No idea if it's that short or if they just rushed through it.
>>4343096They must have just rushed it. Even events have voice acting that lasts longer than the new chapter has been out.
>dekanare is canonI'm stunned right now.
Got Summer Sumomo and want to go for Elementalist Tama but unsure if I should commit with Winter Wakkie and Bun-chan likely right around the corner
>>4343066That is weird though, because Seira's old ex' crit damage DID stack with crit damage use counts.Did they just change it? Because that'd also indirectly heavily nerf dark Yukki and such. Or is that why they increased the value and act as if that makes it fine? Because it really isn't.
>>4343148Ruka's skills are another special case effect like "1 use only ever" ones. I think we're going to see more of these, and also debuffs like this that give double effects on first use, but don't stack with the normal ones.
>>4343148Yes, the changes were made to rebalance those skills. It's worth noting that Snow White Yuki's passive buffs that she gives for removing debuffs/breaking actually do stack with usage buffs still, you just can't have two of the same passive buffs working at the same time. They also made the LB0 buff a dark buff, so she became more of a dark support instead of being more of a general support. Looking at the changes, Snow White Yuki was buffed, while Seira was "buffed" but resulted in being nerfed overall.>>4343149Her EX skill is a "4 use only ever" case, which seems more of a limit to long battles/Arts battle than anything.
I... uh... finished this half-chapter already. I won't say anything about the story yet because most people probably haven't even touched it, but I can say one thing. Whoever decided to split the chapter is an absolute idiot. I would have rather waited two more months than get it like this. I feel incredibly underwhelmed right now when I really shouldn't.
>>4343174Why did you expect the mid point to have a climax? Getting disappointed all by yourself there.
>>4343174>>4343185the chapter split prolly only happened bcoz the users were getting impatient I guess
Am I remembering right that the early story dungeons had optional dialog triggers if you clicked on something in the background? Are those still a thing? I've been auto-running through dungeons for years now.
>>4343195And now they're probably going to complain about the split lol
>>4343229Only chapter 1 and Mari event have these, I think. A lot of people were missing them, and even if you were aware, it was still annoying to look for them. Now they just show every interaction to you.
DAY 0Karen-chan cutscene right off the bat, huh? I like that she is trying to play piano properly, but her rage just gets in the way.The recap... I'm shocked just how much Ruka trusts Tezuka. She just told her everything without hesitation. I guess it's beyond Ruka to actually act paranoid, but even after all that I still think Tezuka is a potential source of trouble.Did I read that right... Ruka can just use two swords again right away, because her mom made her feel better? Sheesh, I expected a bit more gravitas.The trend continues of new BGMs getting sprinkled in. It had been really rare from chapter 1-4.2, but now they seem to be consistently adding more, just like in events. I love Irene's theme so much. Higumin's is wacky. But racap convo had a BGM with vocals right away...
Look everyone, they totally needed those 10 months to give us a 3D cafeteria. Honestly, money and time well spent. It's not like they will refuse to use it in events to actually make it useful, right?
>>4343261This could just be a case of the 3D team having nothing else to do while others were still working on their parts.
>>4343267Maybe... but I actually dislike this. the BG image is always more detailed than the 3D spaces they create and it feels so Persona 2/3 in here. Just make a JRPG already.If they hadnt eliminated bond stories, I would expect to find a lot of the new ones here.
>>4343272But it's already a jrpg
>>4343285I meant a proper JRPG that isn't dragged down by gacha systems and mobile limitations. They clearly want to make a big JRPG like Persona or Final Fantasy. The quality and standards keep rising absurdly compared to the early chapters, but they are starting to have real JRPGs' dev cycles because of it.
>>4343143went for it and spent everything I had only to need to spark her
>>4343287I prefer them dropping a chapter per year than coming back to the first 3 chapters production quality.
>>4343287What was 1.0 like then? Cause at this point the gacha system, as you say, is completely tacked on
>>4343320The only difference is that there were far fewer SS at launch. The gacha aspect was always tacked on.
>>4343324the gacha aspect in all gachas tend to be tacked on
>>4343173Gotta love when things make so much sense.Honestly, they had a good idea with the recent UI update, so why all this shit now, where things don't work in a unified way? Either all or nothing should stack like that.
>>4343320The UI was terrible and clunky, the game was a total mess. Literally every modern gacha or game thing you expect (e.g. homescreen pictures/voice lines, most auto-battle functionality and quick menus for arena or the shop) didn't exist. Back then we had to literally select the story chapter and go back in time to the day of the boss fight to select the Hard Mode battles that appeared every week. They didn't have their own menu. If you wanted to go to the arena, it would spawn you at the last story day where it is available, same with Mari's shop. The events were all listed in one long straight list (which had the advantage that you knew the exact release order actually, but scrolling would have become annoying). You had to use stamina to fight every accessory or orb boss one at a time... same with dungeon runs. For the gacha they added step-up and the puzzle SS ticket pieces as well as banners with "milestones". So anyone who says the gacha didn't evolve is lying.
>>4343466Who would the screen be even for since there's no self insert? Either way sounds like it started as gacha and the team's goals got much more ambitious, for the better ofc
>>4343468...do you have brain damage? You got homescreen selection right now. Try it out and figure it out dumbass.And no, it didn't "start out" as gacha, it's actually way more predatory now than it was at the start. At the start this game really was just a VN with gacha tagged on. Now they've evolved the gacha to make sure to tempt people into spending more money. I don't see how you got the opposite takeaway from what I said.The actual gameplay has evolved to basically mid-budget JRPG standards, which is why I said, they clearly want to make a JRPG. But they are financing that by fleecing people with the gacha and merch.
>>4343477Girl chill, it's not that serious. I mean when it was the voice line select screen and not it's current iteration. I believe you when you say it was much simpler then. But at the moment it's no worse than R:1999 or Assault Lilly (except Assault Lilly gives you so much free pulls all the time)
>>4343272>If they hadnt eliminated bond stories, I would expect to find a lot of the new ones hereThey eliminated bond stories?
>>4343504It's all Do Ero now, baby.
Goddamn, they are not lining up anymore, they are now trapping her in a circle. I have read enough yuri doujins to know where this is going.
>Bungo's S memoria>she snips a target for 30% extra DP damageThe realization does not amuse me.
I will need to seriously revamp the tier list. To the depths of bottom she goes. How the mighty have fallen...
>>4343559You really think the new Ruka is that bad? That's crazy. Everyone says she is objectively broken.
>>4343598Who gives a shit about meta in this game? No, I'm talking about one of tierlists that actually matter. The top to bottom one.
>>4343601I think you fucked that up, but you revealed that your real language is in cyrillic so I stopped caring about your opinion.
DAY 1I missed this so much. The atmopshere is great, the interactions are fun. HBR has this thing where the beginnings of chapters have ridiculously good hooks. In this case Tsukasa seeing that weird countdown at the corner of her vision.Some joked about the cafeteria, but the new map design for the Shikoku area is so good. They came a long way since those couple of rocks in chapter 4.1 and the basic desert shit in 4.2. This actually feels like a real port area.Of course the new mystery is what those weird blue crystals are about. The trailer showed a wind based Cancer boss, so I don't see the connection.I'm super stoked to have awakened Tsukasa around permanently and even take her POV repeatedly. I guess Ruka is taking a step bacl, which is totally welcome.Asakura's mental world is as fucked up as in the trailer, but they really go for it right away... Karen-chan isn't letting her out anymore. That's crazy.Pic related... Awakened Tsukasa is such a goddamn Stacy? I understood that dumbkasa and her are the same person, so their feelings are similar, but that predatory line about Karerin was unexpected.Base watch:-Miya questioning Yuina about her relationship with Ruka. She will never get over it -Duelo... I guess it's fun. Hearing the Cancer pieces begging not to be killed made me laugh. Beat up Megumin right away to assert dominance as the least dumb member of the dumbass squad-Isuzu lying with Yottsun was cute as fuck-Irene references the Niina event-Hisame and Kanata comparing Ruka and Yanagi like they are saying their dads are better...-Tama is hanging out on the 5.1 roof. Made me realize how many more areas you gotta check now-Muaa trying to learn stunts from Chiroru... probably to get hurt intentionally-Byakko is still hanging out with Monanyan..-Vri suggesting a Bollywood movie to Carol for their next project... and Carole agres this time?
Tried to lose to Asamin in Duelo just to see the reaction... you cant lose. This cyclops will literally surround the last enemy piece and never attack it. Did the booze damage her brain?
After playing through part 1, there could definitely be another trailer for part 2 considering they didn't tease anything regarding her. It also confirms that the one line from the original teaser was about her. I sure hope they go in an interesting direction with this. I mean they must be when it looks like part two will split into sides again. I wonder if those unused characters will finally debut for her side...
Didn't some anon ask about interactable dungeon stuff from the early chapters? Seems 5.2 is doing it again.
>>4343644They did it for only this map and technically one later. Not gonna lie it felt pretty pointless when they made the stones the usual glowies for the subsequent maps. Though they'll probably do more in part 2
>>4343644This is technically no different from exploring rooms in Aegis Tower in Chapter 3. It's optional, but there is generally no downside to doing it. The worst that can happen is a short battle with Cancer. And they are extremely weak in this chapter for some reason.
What I still don't get is that pretty much the only lines in the entire game that don't get voice acted are those dungeon cut ins... like, why? Those few extra lines arent going to break the voice acting budget. Is it because they would get annoying from repetition? But they did make them voice acted in some 3D dungeons before. So maybe they just think you have no time to read them in a 3D environment?
For Duelo, try to lose 2 times to have a funny losing conversation.I think people will miss this early on since the NPC is quite easy to beat.
They really need to relax with Tama permanently being a useless clown. Unless it's intentionally done for her character development.
>>4343668Being a usless clown is kinda her thing though. The only thing she had over early Megumin was intelligence, which she never used even back then. And since Megumin is not the sandbag anymore, we just see Tama in her natural role. The mascot and comic relief.
>>4343669I don't know, it feels a bit too much to me in this chapter. Less of a funny mascot and more of an actual burden to her team.
2 Days in and I have counted no less than 4 Niina event references. Is it one of Maeda's favorites or something? Does he just love hot springs? Or is Kai hijacking the chapter? I do love that Maria still drags Irene to play racing games what I can only assume is months later though.
HOLY SHITI know it was a ruse and all, but Karen-chan actually believed it and was fine with it! There is zero doubt here, both just inherently understand Tsukasa is gay and Karen-chan, who literally protects Karerin against all kinds of assault and dangerous stuff, was willing to just hand her over to her. I think that speaks volumes for how she sees their relationship.You don't use this kind of move unless you assume your oppoent would fall for it. Literally anything else would have made more sense unless it was obviously possible.
I can't believe Ruka made a Yu-gi-oh reference so ancient. This game really is for 30 year olds.Anyway, Duelo is quite easy, huh? I don't know what kind of upper ceiling this mode can even have.
>>4343714>Duelo is quite easy, huh?Carole defeated me and she thought the game was Monopoly... So maybe I'm just dumb.
So that's how they end it what the fug
This new Ruka is a good idea just because that gives other elements a chance to catch up with dark.>2 uses only for Blaster, Debuffer and Attacker>6 turns, over 600m damageThis didn't stop anything.
>>4343785Does Ruka's Diva skill circumvent the 2-use limit?
>>4343723Any answer to muh soul autism that one fag is spreging everywhere? Don't have the time for the chapter yet due to exams
>>4343785For a ninja, she sure is very visible.
>>4343815I'd strongly assume it does, otherwise why have this kind of weird SA mods. But ONLY ex, so not regular skills.Notably Aoi's +1 does NOT work, which I think isn't how it should be, but alas. Not like she isn't already good enough, but it's weird when a passive just does nothing due to a modifier. Same goes for those ex +1 use accs though, and those also never worked.I feel like the 2 use cap should be the base and all +1 stuff should work, but that's just me.
>>4343683Kai has been assistant writer with Tomotaka Fuji on every main chapters
So Tsukasa's new plot line is a straight rip-off of 3 Body Problem?
>>4343824Collecting them?I've just been collecting them since I thought I could get new chips and what not.
>>4343719God damn, I just needed legit 7 tries on her duel. She really stacked the board in her favor.
>>4343824For the record, you are the autist here. You have been trying to frame it like your opinion is the common one, but you have been the one who has had the fringe opinion since the very beginning.
>>4343843Not credited though. Pretty sure there is no note of him in chapter 1-3. Could have been retroactively added though.
They don't fuck around with these questions. You get a game over if you are even the slightest bit wrong.
DAY 2These first days are crazy dense. There is so much stuff happening that I can barely keep up with.I guess I like the road trip theme with the bus, but damn did 31A master that quickly.Can't stop saying how much I love awakened Tsukasa as a focal point. Everything about Karen and Tsukasa in this chapter is completely refreshing and it finally feels like Maeda isn't putting a wall up in front of them to avoid spoilers. We finally got some actual A!Tsukasa + Karerin interactions after all this time. Awakened Tsukasa carries over the infatuation from her dumber self and Karen-chan plays hardball to protect Karerin. Everything about this dynamic is great.The theory that Tsukasa's mom was turned into a hito-narby and she somehow sent Tsukasa this countdown seems completely out of nowhere and absolutely not substantiated, but because this Maeda they are most likely immediately correct. Honestly, seeing Tsukasa and Higumin team up was just too good.In general Tsukasa is a much more interesting protagonist than Ruka right now. She is smart enough to pick up on stuff, but blunt enough to actually rub people the wrong way, sometimes intentionally. Her interactions with 31A are just so much more interesting than when she was dumbkasa. I'm with Yukki, please stay awakened forever. My prediction is that the countdown is about the meteor that's in the main art. Why command in the arctic would be hiding this info, I can't imagine.Base watch:-Miya is trying to indoctrinate Koju to her cult-Yuina doesnt know what skincare is-Muua wants to be destroyed (in Duelo)-Sharo and Ichigo interacted!? Sharo thinks Ichigo is strong, but she denies it-Awakened Tsukasa hangs out with Misarin, because dumbkasa is one of Misarin's go friends
>>4343859Checked YouTube videos, and he was always credited, there's two level in the credit list, assistant writer and scenario production cooperation.Kai and Tomotaka Fujii (one of Maeda's closest friend who worked on every VN Maeda worked on and even Charlotte) are credited on every single chapter as the only assistant writers while there's many people credited in scenario production cooperation.
>>4343824Can't give to detailed of an answer since I haven't gotten that far and only know about it from some faggot going "OMG is this major spoiler true? Game ruined" unmarked but if it has the appearance of a girl and the body of a girl than I couldn't care less if they're actually Narbies
>>4343913You have no idea what that idiot you are replying to is talking about it.This is what happens when EN players try to answer JP questions...
Maybe the second half will change my mind, but so far I think they really should have called it chapter 5 and chapter 6 (or 6.1 if 5.3 is more related to 5.2). Unlike chapter 4, I don't feel like this numbering adds anything other than the superficial negativity some people have about it.
I finally defeated Carole and it was solely because she messed up by using A-san in the wrong place. It's actually kinda cute how most of her special pieces are from the movie squad.
I know it's just a running gag, but I had really hoped RukaYukki's relationship had evolved beyond the point where Yukki still talks about the fan crap. On Day 2 she reacted way more favorably. Though I guess her calling being tightly hugged by Ruka fanservice still made me laugh, so what do I know...
I know we often complain about how easy the story is lately, but then I see a comment on the 5.2 trailer where some JP player whines that he can't even get past Chapter 4.2 Day 9... And I realize just how much they have to account for new players or people who simply cannot comprehend RPG mechanics.I seriously hope they refine what they did in Operation Perseus and give us three story difficulties so players can engage it on their own level of skill/grind. It will be a little vexing to see players play on Easy and fuck up the pacing, but it probably benefits the health of the game. Also it would be nice if they gave some reward incentive for both the higher difficulty and playing story accurate.
Next 31X event is likely Maria, they added an unfinished "really makes you think" sprite for her.
Yunyun's birthday just means more bullying.
>>4344244This artist just gets KareTsuka.
>Shiki's first reaction when talking to Kanata is to invite her to Shiki's bedroomHello, police?
>>4344275It's fine, that's Kanata's bedroom too.
This is what HBR was always lacking. A truly sassy sarcastic bitch. Yukki has this lowkey retort style which is kinda underwhelming. Ruka acts stupid to annoy people, which is not the same thing. Only awakened Tsukasa will fuck with people like this out of pure desire to spite.Why has she been so painfully underutilitzed until now? And as a consequence I also noticed how Yukki has become way more chill. Megumin is now the one who does most of the tsukkomi towards Tama's antics. Tsukasa tsukkomis everyone and keeps things on track. Yukki is actually way more bearable when she doesnt carry every conversation. It feels like I'm playing a different game sometimes.
DAY 3Now it's getting really weird. Is that a Cancer cocoon? A beacon for the meteors? It's hard to say what that shit in the crystal forest was, but it can't be good. I wonder if the choice Ruka could make there actually mattered.I can't handle how deathly serious Karen's backstory at school is treated. This whole stuff about school being it's own world, castes and how in-groups and out-groups rule is really quite something... I get that bullying is bad, but it really feels weird to see these lame examples of like throwing chalk at a teacher's back compared to where we know it will end up. Also the solutions to the situations seem pretty unhinged. Maybe this is supposed to be Karerin accepting her wild side so she doesnt need Karen-chan?Tsukasa is really the protag of this chapter for me, but that counter really throws me off. If it's just announcing the Cancer reinforcements then it would probably not have been given to Tsukasa. There is no reason to hide that from the Seraph squad...Anyway, KareTsuka interactions (all variations) are really the core of this chapter. I can't get enough of it. I feel like Tsukasa is actually pissed at Karen-chan for keeping Asakura locked in.Base watch:-A-san wants to clone her Duelo pieces. That's cheating...-Megumin is talking about how teleporting to the final boss would make her the ultimate psychic. Kowing her she will actually pull that power out of her ass-WakkiBungo talk about the ocean. I guess Shikoku is like a vacation to everyone now!-Shiki's harem senses tell her that some little birdies are hanging out inside a locked room at the academy... I wonder if this is hinting at something
>>4344284>>4344316How sassy can she be, that she's sassing a serial killer to tears?
>>4344316The counter thing is taken from 3 Body Problem novel.In the book, the counter was made by very advanced alien forms to scare off researchers because they were afraid of the potential weapons that could result from those research because it would probably make earth invasion impossible.
>the U140 final bossThat is not a Cancer.
>>4344207Are the sprites on the mega yet? It would be funny if Yunyun got a new meta SS in the X event just as her original was made almost obsolete by Diva Ruka.
These S or above tickets I'm getting from the events are kicking my ass. I used like 20 and have yet to pull a SS.
>>4344331Or maybe you shouldn't assume everything that is remotely similar is a reference. It's not a unique concept that couldn't be come up with separately.
>>4344354I cant see the common link either, but if the trailer is to be believed there will be a scene where everything is censored, which is just completely weird.
>>4344374I deleted it because it took me an embarrassing amount of time to figure out that those blanks are the answers you're supposed to pick later. Why Karerin's subconscious filtered out the traumatic phrase "According to a study by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications" is beyond me though.
>>4344375Oh. Yes, they are the answers she has to pick. I thought you were wondering why they were censored too. I assumed it was because Karen-chan doesn't want her to figure out the truth, but at the same time that is quite contradictory.
>>4344336I guess it might just be a completely unrelated alien lifeform that looks and acts like a Cancer and has their same properties.
>>4344194You can interpret it as numbering, but I think it's more accurate to say it's split into the opening act, midpoint, and closing act. Unless they decide to add a zokuhen in there for whatever reason, the naming makes it pretty deliberate that chapter 5 was meant to be a three part act. Kind of like how chapter 4 was a two part with an interlude. That's also why the end of chapter 5 part 1 didn't feel as conclusive as the end of other chapters. Imo each chapter has a core development that really pushes the story forward. I think chapter 5 will be the conclusion of operation westend caldera leading to chapter 6's confrontation with the mother cancer in kyushu. They also seem to setting up the origins and perhaps innerworkings of Cancer with the meteors. Part 2 and what they decide to do with Waki will decide everything.
>>4344533That makes no sense. Westeend Caldera's goal is taking back Kyushu, which includes eliminating the Mother Cancer. This has to happen in 5.2, not chapter 6. Unless they are really intent on throwing another roadblock in the way that delays that fight, I don't think there is any other way.What connects these three parts will probably only become clear when they are all out. Chapter 4 was easy in comparison, because it was just about MeguTama's development.
>>4344543>this has to happen in 5.2*5.3
DAY 4We heard you liked tornadoes, so we put a tornado inside your tornado! In the first place tornadoes doesnt work like the "outer" one, as there would never be such a huge eye of the storm. It's just a moving wind barrier to be honest. It's a really cool power though. Basically a moving destruction zone. Kinda weird how it didn't properly destroy the camp and house 31A find later though.Is bottled water from 30 years ago really still drinikable...? Salt and sugar don't go bad easily, I know that much at least.Its unfortunate that Ruka's message didn't make it to HQ and they only pinged their location, but why was she wasting so much time giving such detailed explanations? "Trapped inside big tornado. Cancer power. Don't follow." This is how you convey information quickly...At this point I think the choices Karerin needs to make just have to go against the grain as much as possible, no matter how stupid. I really didn't want to pick that disgusting choice. But oh well, it is just a fake memory that never happened. At least the next chapter will be about her family and the police, so that ought to be interesting. Especially Tsukasa's take which Karerin just repeats verbatim anyway.Base Watch:-What base?
>>4343135All their SS1 moves are canon.But I never thought it would be a shovel.
Regarding Waki who do you think she will meet? Surely the mysterious singing setup wasn't just going to be the ether twister. I hope we'll finally get to see some sentient Cancer and it's this new Cancer variant that's summoning the meteors with its singing. The unused team showing up now would also be great. I just hope this doesn't turn into another Higuchi situation, especially with the amount of MC aura Waki has
>>4344581the mermaid kek
>>4344583That would be amazing
They said the "choice" will matter a lot in this chapter, but answer correctly or you will game over doesn't feel like "choice" at all to me.
>>4344591I have a feeling the real choices start in the second half. But I mean... how else can choices matter in this kind of game beyond giving you either a reward or a game over?
DAY 5I feel like if they had really tried a little harder they could have dug their way out. It always bothers me when characters in a story immediately give up when usually you would try to improve the solution. In the end there us no way around it. Taking out the tornado Cancer has to be the goal for gameplay purposes.Sigh... do we really need a bath scene in every chapter? The fact that none of them froze to death under a natural waterfall in the middle of autumn is retarded. It shows how forced the scene really is. The only thing I liked about it is that indirectly this pays off a subtle gag from the start of the chapter. Ruka said Tsukasa is really loves baths and she denied it vehmently, but the first thing awakened Tsukasa focuses on even before getting more supplies, is to take a bath. I'm shocked this wasn't directly pointed out as usual. A subtle gag that doesn't get explained to you? In HBR? Miracles do happen.The 30G side of things is a lot more interesting today. G/B/E going to save 31C is nice, but that first meteor already landed. I did not expect them to appear so soon. They didn't even investigate it at all for some reason... I know saving 31C had priority, but they abandoned Wakki and still didn't investigate the meteor that clearly spawns new crystal Cancers. Why were they acting like they had a time limit?When Bungo asked why they won't help Bon-chan in her normal voice my heart nearly broke.Base Watch:-What base?
>>4344591I doubt they'll start having diverging paths or actual RPG flags now. Teheperinko points are as much as we'll get there.
>>4342973>not even the full minuteHow to immediately out yourself as a tourist.
>>4344581My theory about the whole conflict between human and Cancers will be resolved through music is getting more and more real huh
I also have tested the new Ruka quite a bit: I'd call her strong, but not comfy. LB3 feels like it'd help, but the biggest issue is that her buffs run out during OD. This is actually really bad.My biggest struggle was with ice. I lack a lot of newer ice styles, but I don't think they'd solve the problem. Kanade is REALLY strong (the HBR quest site actually shows values at 100% DP, you get another 25% damage at 150%) and now there's nothing holding her back.. outside of the fact how kinda bad/meh a lot of the ice styles are, especially also when it comes to helping you live and OD. I also forgot to overheal her in my attempt. But this was the biggest struggle anyways. I should really consider getting Aina in, instead of Miya at least. Technically Hisame is best, but man. You just have no OD. Thunder Miya needs 0 OD, Aina can shit it out. Neither have ice def down, while Hisame has no fragile. No place for two debuffers, after all there's already no real sustain. (Ruka and Seira try their best okay)Compare that to light. Her light ex is nowhere near as good, but holy shit it plays SO much better.Anyways, pic is the result, left to right: Dark, light, ice, thunder, fire. With fire I was dumb and forgot that I can't use any ability on debuffers more than twice, so I was lacking one fire def down.Dark was really beyond broken, but Ruka makes it a LOT more fair. For many she might feel beyond broken, and in a way she is. It's pretty funny spamming fire Adel's ex basically every turn. But dark was a mistake to the point I can accept this. Now everything is broken. WFS at their best.
So when something says it boosts HP or DP damaging skills is it talking about the Attacker/Breaker skills or just based on which bar you're currently attacking?
>>4344720/u/ does not have 30 second cooldowns. And bots don't buy passes, dumbass.
>>4344799Goddamn whale. Keep financing the game for the rest of us.
DAY 6...and it's over. That boss fight against the tornado Cancer was a really cool set piece. I liked the mechanic of the retaliation damage the more you hit the storm shield. It was a little too easy, even with story accurate squad, but it had a good rhythm. But just to be clear, if Tsukasa hadn't been there they would have died for sure. She is that vital now... please don't make her dumb again.So there was another meteor already, but it sank the entire city into the ocean... and Cancer can't operate there. So technically the only reason Shikoku isnt worse is because the meteor had bad aim? lolThank you Maeda for explaining how school bullying works, really neat guide. Joking aside, Karerin is becoming more unhinged and determined, but what is really interesting to me is how she sounds more like a mix of Karen-chan and awakened Tsukasa by the end. She is absorbing Tsukasa's word as gospel. The parallel is interesting, because Tsukasa was a loner who didnt fit into any groups and told herself she is okay with that. So her philosophy is that everyone is bad and cowardly or out for themselves and you have to go against the current. Karerin's interpretation of that is a lot less isolationist, but rather aggressive.The next flashback's gonna be ugly...Wakki... fell out of a helicopter, into the ocean and was spilled to a coast. I assume she landed on Shikoku, as they were on the way there. Solo Wakki sounds like a dangerous situation, but she is rather tough. Will she encounter the weird voice Karen-chan and Ruka heard?It's just 6 days, but this is already one of my favorite chapters. If Part 2 delivers this might usurp 4.1 as the best story chapter.Base watch:-Bet the only reason Maria accepted the Duelo pieces was because it was given to her by Asamin, who she respects.-Byakko is a master gamer...
I'm not looking forward to Tsukasa always being in queen bitch mode now. She was one of my favorite characters because she knew how to have fun at the drop of a hat. It's so hard to tell how much of her dumb personality even carries over.The subplot of Tsukasa being scared of Karerin because Karen-chan could come out at any moment completely disappeared, too. That added a lot of fun to their interactions that even Karerin could tease her with. Meanwhile now, aside from jokes about making out, I'm not feeling any affection from her towards Karerin. Unless you want to tell me that taking the time out of her busy day with her lectures about bullying is a special privilege.
>>4344948>WhaleNot sure if that qualifies. For what it's worth I'm completely broke in the game now. But I'm playing for a long ass while and definitely a dolphin. Checked my steam stats, and it amounts to 50ish per month for this year. I feel like calling that a whale disrespects what actual whales spend.This SA inflates score thanks to the 999% DR.
>>4344945>/u/ does not have 30 second cooldowns
>>4345163I got the opposite opinion. I'd rather she stay awakened permanently. Also in regards to her affection, because she is trying to act cool you have to parse her actions more. More than taking time out of her day, ask yourself why Tsukasa is always just in reach of Karerin every time Karen-chan sleeps. Even Karen-chan points out that it's weird for Tojo to be in those places. She is literally following Karen-chan around and pretends to ve just in the area when Karerin appears. It's actually hilarious.
I just started on JP. I understand a little bit of Japanese, but not really enough to understand everything. I'm not really familiar with OCRs. Can you guys recommend me a good one?
>>4345279I use MingShiba's Sugoi Translator Toolkit. However the free version is only available for download in the middle of every month (15-16th) so you just missed the window. At least it's something to consider next month.
>>4345279>>4345300You can find the v8.0 version of MingShiba's Sugoi Translator Toolkit on archive.org.
Awesome. Maaarvelous half-chapter. Awakening is so cool. To be fair I prefered Dumbkasa before because Awakening was used mainly for infodumps and occasional gags, but now if I'm to pick between the two, Awakening any time. First of all how openly gay she is! Directly saying her type is feminine girls. Not even Shiki is that straightforward. Second - her completely different dynamic with other characters. It's so refreshing having her as a protagonist. Ruka is awesome too, but when everyone has time to shine it's always better.Next Karen. Any notion of Karerin secretly being a badass that uses Karen-chan as a mad dog is completely shattered. Though worry not, it's a chapter about her becoming one. Cute how essentialy both Tsukasa and Karen-chan push her in that direction. Though the progress is slow. I get the part that she must get an insight of how bullying works (in my experience it's mostly right, but there are differences). I'm just not sure why. School is over, she lives in a military society now. It's not like that knowledge will help her. Also that understanding pretty much confirms that Karen-chan's creation was almost inevitable. Either that or suffer more. The system was shit from the beginning, noone is willing to do anything about bullying. That "flashback decisions". I'm not sure why are they even there? To make Karerin feel better in re-do past scenarios? Pathetic. To make her accept her own wild nature without losing control? It wouldn't have changed anything without violence. Maybe to get ahold of her split personality now and nothing more. Duels. Would be fine if we got them and hang-out, but instead it's the worst decision wfs made this chapter. Hope it was an experiment and not new norm.
The decision to split chapter. It might be wishful thinking but I have a hunch that they actually have the chapter completed already, they just decided to split it for several reasons. First, they need something grand for anniversary, nothing grander than new chapter. Second, theres lots of plot hooks left unsolved, wfs wants to instigate the discussion to get presence on the net. Third, they get that people get tired of waiting. If wfs view it as succes expect them to do the same every year. I'm not sure what work takes them so long. Most new enemies were modeled back in Pleiades, they didn't have to model the cafeteria but they did, so it's not modeling. Maeda is also very productive based on the interview so it's not writing either. Overall I doubt 5.2 can overshadow 5.1 as a chapter, but that's wild that new ones easily beat starting chapters in quality and story. SIL White Spell probably plays the same role as Bougenvellia in 5.1 when "real" soundtrack was Hi no Sasu Mukou E. This time it's gonna be whatever Karen-chan is writing. Also love Tsukasa teaching her keyboard. Did any game used music that well for storytelling before?>>4343689>You don't use this kind of move unless you assume your oppoent would fall for it. Literally anything else would have made more sense unless it was obviously possible.The only thing that would make this scene better is an appropriate CG.>>4343853I don't know how you do it. The only time I lost was when they introduced moving cancers. Karen's quiz was brutal however, she does not fuck around. Like with the question about what's the name of girl's high caste at school. I legit thought gyaru is just a subculture like emo or punks.
>>4344205Not so sure. at the time meteor crushed cancers grew stronger, I wouldn't be able to clear the dungeon with 30 G because they have no buffer and no healer. Like how the fuck am I supposed to do it? Fortunately my 31 B + Miya wasn't that bad and Sumomo pretty much soloes lone cancers. Also lucky that the wind boss is vulnerable to darkness so I could beat it with 31 A >>4344380Maybe it's not Karen-chan but Karerin in denial with how awfull the full truth is. Afterall it doesn't look like they know what the other does since they stoped communicating properly .>>4344581Crazy theories time huh? I got some.1. Wakki has lost memory. Her name in the last scene is just "???", can't imagine why else it's like that. 2. the singing voice is another Ruka. Bonus points if she has long hair or a dark messiah archetype. How? Don't know. Another navy ate her? But that would perfectlty explain why this chapter is 5.2 and not 6. In that case 5.3 will also be about Ruka. 3. The countdown is about metheor falling. And yes, Tsukasa's mother is most likely the one who sent it. Either she escaped the military and makes moves on her own or acting against their will. Why military wouldn't give a warning if it's the later case? It's a conspiracy. Actually military are perfectly fine with the situation humanity in. They don't need seraphs to win. They need perpetual war so they can cling to power. Their real plan is controling cancers, we have seen they can do it, they just need time to perfect technology. I don't actualy believe the last part though, it's not Maeda's style.
>>4344591It's probably for the later part. In this one there is just that weird cancer structure encounter that wasn't elaborated on. Anyway I don't expect much. 2 bad endings max, one for Tsukasa, one for Karen and that's it Can anyone explain the HBR representatives in the soccer team? Teheperinko is obviously Ruka. OI TAMA is Megumi. Handholding Ichigo. Not even a couple? My guess is Yuki. Gaslighting? Have no fucking idea.Also I guess I'll have to learn drawing for the sake of RukaIchi. Such a waste noone does it. I like the idea vaaay more than HiguIchi.
>>4345326>whyWorking through trauma.
>>4345331Ichigo just hugs everyone now. She did a 180 from detached and distant to super clingy. I still love how all the hugging lines only happen if you pick that choice for Tezuka super early on. Classic HBR.
>>4345329>how am I supposed to do it with 30GYou need their lightning styles and equop Golita with all the heals.
>>4345331>Not even a couple? My guess is Yuki.It's Tama. Every time Ruka tell her about couple stuff Tama agrees, before realizing she's not in a couple with Ruka.>Gaslighting? Have no fucking idea.I think 'Gaslighting' is still Yukki. She tries to gaslight herself into believing she's not a couple with Ruka.
Should have gone through with it.
>>4345505
Random Duelo stuff. Pic related is the set that can defeat even almighty Byakko (Byakko's piece replaces Carole's, so just imagine that for the ultimate Duelo set).-The BGM that plays during every match is a jazz remix of Dance Dance Dance.-Among the lines Ruka says when defeating Cancer there is a rare one "Please listen to this: Goodbye Cancer!" (Goodbye Innocence reference)-Maria's AI will chase the golden hopper single-mindedly no matter what, just like the real Maria has tunnel vision in combat.-A-san has a higher likelihood to play copy pieces of herself.-Carole's piece has no connections, but is strong enough to one-shot up to level 5 Cancer, referencing her always being the only surivor in her movies.-Hisame lost to Kanata in Duelo and feels like she lost her senpai status, but if Ruka loses she still pretends to be a master.-Muua's piece if omni-directional, which probably referebces ger super social nature.-The stars mean literally nothing in gameplay, they just limit your set for no reason. -Byakko's piece is as strong as Carole, but has one social connection (Aoi).-You get a unique interaction when losing to someone up to two times. Irocchi starts pitying Rka on the second loss.-Hisame's and Kanata's piece face each other and if you connect them there is enough space for 4 more pieces, which could eventually become the Maruyama unit.-Ichigo is strong, but only has a single connection, showing her singleminded focus (probably a reference to chapter 2/Requiem).-Asamin is a good connecting piece, but is completely useless on her own (because she has no Seraph). In a way she helps other pieces to reach their potential (instructor).-Everyone has two freak out reactions. One if you are dominating and one if you make a comeback. Same with taunts when either player starts winning.-Carole thinks Duelo works like Monopoly and somehow is one of the harder opponents...
CPR aside, which pairing will get the first on screen kiss? I expected RukaYukki, but the CPR was a copout they can use for a while. KareTsuka are kind of turbulent right now.... MeguTama will never cross that line. Strangely enough the side couples may have a better chance.
I'm surprised the rest of 31A doesn't have betting odds on when will Ruka and Yukki kiss for real.
>>4345996Tama was surprised to learn that aren't officially a couple, so they probably assume they make out all the time when no one is looking.
>>4345340What if I didn't pick the hug option? Nothing interesting happens?>>4345932I don't think it would happen to any side pairings. At least not before the main story. Most likely it's some endgame stuff for RukaYuki. I agree on your analysis. But it would be hilarious if a step in Karen's become strong arc is daring to kiss Tsukasa, maybe even in 5.2.If we are talking other squads it's probably AMari. They are supported by devs and went the farthest. Alternatively Yuina and Miya. Just because Yuina has death flags and it would be nice if she had a kiss before anything happens.
been playing it periodically and just finished chapter 2didn't think they would actually off Aoi. And re-contextualize narbies like that. Narbies will be like oranges from now on
>>434599631A all consider the CPR an actual kiss. Only Yukki is in denial about it at this point.>>4346053>What if I didn't pick the hug option?Different joke.
Aren't they gonna announce a new event today? Or will the push it off to next week?
>>4346174Next week. Just check when the current event's exchange ends, that's usually the best indication where the next event is. It makes sense anyway, they always do the end of the year events.
>>4346184I'm just saying, they announce some stuff ahead of time. Next thursday is Christmas, so they might not stream there.
>>4346200>Next thursday is Christmas,It's 26th in Japan, shouldn't be that much of an issue. If some VAs cannot appear, they may move the stream to something like the 24th, there is no way they will skip the last stream of the year.
Tsukasa's new theme is definitely a bit too upbeat for her awakened state. Feels more like something used for dumbkasa.
I think they haven't announced the next stream yet because they want to secure some guest appearances. In 2022 they had Tama & Karen and in 2023 they had Aoi & Ichigo, they probably want to have someone this year too, depending on who the event is about.
Has anybody found the new 5.2 songs yet? I can't find the new boss theme anywhere on youtube... it's hard to search without knowing the title.
https://x.com/heavenburnsred/status/1869669473869041743And here is the stream announcement, your question was very timely. The stream is indeed a little early, this Sunday. Doesn't look like they're going to get any guests this time, unless they have another one.
For the end of 5.2, I wonder. If Karen-chan is really going to disappear, what will they do about the screamo segments in the live concerts? I get that they are going for a synthesis thing for Karerin, but I don't know if she will get the same vibes as Karen-chan down. With Tsukasa it doesn't matter, because she always kinda looks refined in live concerts, so you can't even tell if she is awakened or not.Some people are coping that 31A members cant die because they need them for the live concerts, but that's not the only way those can be affected.
>>4345326I think you fail to understand Maeda's message here. It's not that violence was inevitable, but that if the system is broken, you have to step outside the system. What got Asakura into this position was her comformity. She just accepted the unwritten rules, because she feared that there was no alternative. Thos fake flashbacks literally start with her saying "I understand now, but back then I didn't."By breaking all the rules in ways that are impossible for the caste system to understand she carves out a niche. If you show that the system is not binding and that nobody should give a damn about it, it crumbles from within. It's the same with any social contract, they only matter because people think they do/should. If enough people stop caring, this kind of thing collapses. Resorting to murder was the failure. Karen-chan's existence was a last ditch self-protect mechanism. If Asakura had been stronger on her own it would not have had to come to that. That's why the conclusion is most likely that Karen-chan is not needed anymore.
>>4346215>Some people are coping that 31A members cant die because they need them for the live concerts, but that's not the only way those can be affected.I don't think Maeda cares about such things, in AB even the solo lead vocalist was replaced. The only problem with something like this for them is the event performances. No matter how hard they pretend that chapter 4/5 events are chapter 2, if the performance reflects such changes, you can't hide it.
Uh... I just had a thought that I really don't like, but still. Speaking of possible band changes in 5.2. What if Karen is learning piano because Tsukasa will actually die/leave and she will become the keyboardist in her place?
>>4346249This doesnt make a lot of sense for several reasons. One, Karen-chan is the one learning piano, who most people agree is much more likely to exit the stage. Asakura and Karen-chan dont retain the same skills, as displayed by how bad Karen-chan is at games. Karerin is an irreplacable main vocal, so her playing the piano on top of singing is unlikely. Karen-chan's piano melody being played by Tsukasa as sort if a final farewell feels more poignant.Tsukasa dying would leave a pretty big hole which they arent setting up to fill, but with how quickly 31A learns they could just pull Tama off the back guitar.Either way it seems a bit much. The trailer showing Tsukasa seemingly dying makes it more likely to be a fake-out. I think the big loss this chapter will be Karen-chan and Awakened Tsukasa only, but Karerin and Dumbkasa will stick around. This way you can both experience loss, but not majorly change stuff like squad constellation and live concerts. Beyond having to do something about the screamo for Karen-chan.
Copium take: what if Karerin doesn't let Karen-chan leave?
>>4346289Karerin's de-noised line in the memory garden is about how there will eventually be a time she'll have to say goodbye to Karen-chan.
>>4346296>Garden of MemoriesThose lines sure are ominous.
>>4346211Is the blurry background a concert hall ceiling? Are we getting idol'd again?
>>4346296To be fair, one day doesnt mean the end of this chapter.
For the people who aren't fluent in Japanese, how do you balance enjoying the story and improving Japanese? The harder I focus on learning new words, the less I actually enjoy playing and the more I focus on learning, the less I'm playing.
>>4346523Just learn Japanese first. Problem solved. Or dont try to learn Japanese and use a translator and then use your preexisting knowledge to fill the gaps.
>>4346523I quickly gave up with all the military and technical terminology. Without more practice than this game provides, they won't stick anyway. Megumi was also especially hard to understand in the beginning, but either they toned down her dialect a lot or I just got used to it. It really helps that everything in this game is voiced.
>>4346559>military and technical terminologyIt's funny that these are the only parts the machine translation never struggles with, as they are perfect clear cut Japanese with no problematic dialect or colloquialisms or idioms. Tezuka is the most understandable translation all the time.
>>4346232>If you show that the system is not binding and that nobody should give a damn about it, it crumbles from withinWell, yeah. Except there are people who care about it. Bullies. It starts from their crave to feel power. They are interested in system so normaly Karen deviating from the system would make her a target of bullying, and every other element seeing it working like usual would go on as usual. Basically that would only work if bullies themselves decide to give up on it.>spoiler While I agree on that, Karen-chan is the ace of 31 A, Karerin doesn't have her skills. She is kinda needed. Unless the writers decided that Karerin is perfectly calable to catch up from zero and don't be a burden by the time 5.3. starts.
>>4346631That's wrong. The "normal" bystander students by far outweigh the few bullies. If nobody takes the bullies seriously or even goes against them, they will have to adapt. If they go too far they get into actual trouble. That's the thing with japan, those fuckers hate bad press and people who don't comform, but you can use that against them. The teachers don't want trouble, but if the majority causes trouble, they are forced to intervene. As the game states: The reaosn the teachers overlook what the "upper caste" are doing is that they give the class a cohesion that is otherwise hard to achieve. But if that cohesion is gone, what is the point to cover for the bullies anymore?If it gets to violence it will be a scandal and unlike suicide where those slimey fuckers will blame it on the one who killed themselves, this is a case where you can't ignore it, because it is considered an actual crime, as the police would put it.Schools still have suspension, councilors etc., so you have ways to play the system even from outside it.Anyway, there are plenty of real life anti-bullying methods that have been researched. Not everything applies to everything, but it is certainly possible, even in a society of fuck-ups like Japan where saving face is more important than protecting children.
So this year we didn't get any special holiday related mini-episode like WakkiBungo or Sharo Nightmare. I just realized. At least EN has the Christmas stuff again.
Say about EN what you want, but at least it has fanned interest in people subbing the voice only content. Like this anniversary skit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHCdC-KA4gw
Maria-sama Will Kill You (MariKorosu for short)
Make it real writers.
NiinAsami in december 2024? True dedication!
>>4347446Somehow I think Muua would get off to being shot
>>4347555In general Sumomo's abusive way of talking should get her off.
>>4346523Had that same issue when I was reading Saikano and Muvluv as my first jp works with military speak years ago.It sucks but you just need to find a balance and keep going.
Who is the more dangerous bath partner for Ruka, Shiki or Syaro?
Spoilers for Chapter 4 Day 0 So am I missing something or is it a bit contradictory that they can't interact with dome dwellers because they'd be long dead bodies returning from the dead but they can be aired fighting Cancers for a morale boost to dome dwellers
>>4347780You will find out why in 4.2. I'm not satisfied with the answer, but at least it solves this contradiction.
>>4347780And they didn't think of deploying them far away from where they died?
>>4347780Simple answer: the cameras don't do close-ups.
>>4347745I didn't think there was a worse way to butcher Sharo's nickname than "Charl", but congrats on proving me wrong.
>>4347780They blur them. Tezuka literally says it and I have no idea why anybody here struggles with this.>>4347787Tezuka already said it in 4.1 and the answer is plenty fine. >>4347794Oh yes, deploy Japanese girls in America. That's gonna be super easy and will not cause any contradictions either, like why they can suddenly speak perfect English.As long as they operate in Japan, they will always be "too close". Operations go all over the country.
Love the details here. Different school uniforms, original Tsukasa and Karerin still obssessed with cats. AUs where these two met during the school days are really good.Only thing I don't get are MeguRuka on the phone? I guess it's because both of them were semi-famous?
Chapter 4 intro spoilers I can't tell if the translation is wonky or I can't read, but why can't there be two human narbies of the same person? It used to take just a bit of DNA but now it needs a bunch or something?
>>4347978They didn't explain that part. Simple as that. But if you are even halfway competent you can make the connection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RIZ77-tRrsStarting soon.
Recap of this year's events again? At least it's short enough this time.
