>>683681078
>balancing around scooby fragments
>new weapon kinds only found on dlc area
>nonsensical final boss
if i had to pick 3

>>683681960
I still laugh at people thinking the DLC was going to be something that impoves the base game when its all just the same schizo babble, involving NPCs who go randomly insane after delivering semi-cryptic riddles about their personality or goals, fighting literal whos and bosses with no memorable ethos or moments to their name. Somehow Gael, Artorias, Friede, OOK, even the shitty Fume Knight have better memorability to them than Not Radagon or Not Midir or Not Pontiff Suylvahn.

As a lorefag
>throwaway characters aren't interesting
>flashy bossfights with no substance
>lore doesn't tie to main characters in base that needed it which was a major red flag in any souls dlc. See Dark Souls 3 for how shitty that decision was.
>butchered Radahn
>butchered Miquella and Malenia
Only good thing was making Marika look good but that wasn't enough to justify anything. Gameplay is another nonsensical story to how shitty the weapons balance always is.

>>683681078
Tranny game

They made a big open world but forgot to put interesting stuff in it.

>>683681078
Hubris. They're not nearly big and smart enough to pull off what they're envisioning. There's a whole cut ending where you can side with Miquella as an example.

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>>683681078
>>683681960
>>683682109
>>683682139
It's an incredible DLC, and you need to kill yourself Ubishill samefag

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>>683681078
these games started being about TRYING to be anal-blastingly hard instead of actual well-crafted experiences that just so happened to be hard to normalfags that expect to blast through everything without issue like it's Skyrim, meaning all discourse and actual criticism falls into "le git gud" because of how hard things are when that was originally taking the piss out of everyone legitimately fucking playing the games in such a way that they'd get their asses beat

>>683681078
Why didn't they make the stat buffing system work like Sekiro? You got powered up for taking down tough enemies instead of looking over every nook and cranny of the empty ass map

>>683682432
B-Team made this game, its basically "What if DaS2 but we had the time/resources to actually put our bad ideas into fruition." Their next game probably won't be Souls related, all of it will be sent to the B-Team who will make worse games as time goes on.

Open world is a meme for lazy devs who get to copy paste the same shitty mats and mobs in open fields instead of having to think about level design.

"Legacy" dungeons don't hold up to it, they are so short all the "shortcuts" you open are pointless. Bonfires are still back to back like in the frenzy mansion lol.

Most NPCs suck ass and the cool ones are 2-3 inane conversations from death anyway so why care, also summoning is gay and you looked up Tholiers quest progression.

Tons of spells n shit are just bugged and don't work.

Balance is getting dumb in the way that the devs are too familiar with how most shitters play the game and want to ream them for it but don't really bother covering anything else remotely outside the box no matter how obvious. Rot and blood are still stupid btw.

I warned you fags that it was going to be as bad as ashes dlc for DaS3 since the same people who worked on that and DaS2 were working on SotE but none of your listened.

>>683681078
it was good

>>683682646
How the fuck does Tanimura still have a job

>>683682698
Fromsoft never lets go of people or have a union or something. Most companies would fire incompetent blokes on the spot.

>>683682560
Isn't the B team thing kind of a myth?
Sekiro, Elden Ring and AC6 were developed by different teams alongside each other and they all turned out really well

>>683682432
I wouldn't even have as much of an issue with it if it weren't so painfully clear it wasn't that thought out, limited number that barely hits you to cap despite there being an overflow of golden seeds, only enemies that drop them are random pot holders and hippos instead of at least one per boss, it's like they designed it to be as obnoxious as possible for the sake of it, that or they literally didn't think about what happens after the spectacle of first discovery wears off
>JUST SCOUR THE MAP ON EVERY CHARACTER EVER BECAUSE YOU MUST EXPLORE
>YOU DON'T NEED THEM ALL IT'S FRONTLOADED
>NOOOO IT'S HARD TO JUST ADD SLIGHTLY HIGHER HALIGTREE SCALING IT HAS TO BE HARD VIA STATCHECK FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE IT JUST DOES OKAY
there is no argument defending this when it was literally done perfectly well not only in Sekiro but in the fucking base game too

>>683681078
The fact that their dlc costs just about as much as BG3

>>683682614
This is a great impersonation of someone that never played the game and parroted random shit discord told them to say on 4chan. Good job.

>>683681078
This shit was awesome I’m glad it sold like a billion copies and that the retard complainers on this site will have no sway on the next fromsoft masterpiece

>>683681078
>want went wrong
Not enough dev time, shifting visions during development, Miyazaki given too much leeway
You name it.
Despite everything it's still one of the best DLCs ever made so,

>>683683141
>couldn't argue a single point
Genuinely pathetic tranny cope.
I bet you thought Rellana and the hippo were hard bosses.

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>Get a boss down to half health
>"you fool, I have character development!"
>2nd phase triggers
>kills me
>return for a rematch
>all back to normal
Why? This narrative retread became the norm after the devs jumped on the 2nd phase meme, but it feels fucking weird from a meta perspective. Did they just have a girl episode?

>>683682757
He made his company 25+ million in sales along with another 10 million in DLC sales, priced at nearly the same amount as the base game with less money. ER is bad, but he makes them money. Hes also in likelihood not very argumentative so he gets his say on big projects. You also say this like Japs have standards. Bloodborne was the last time gameplay, story and aesthetic had good synergy amongst itself, Elden Ring is a mixmash of things from all their previous games along with things that dont make any sense in the first place.

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>>683683178
>nerfs the bosses
>nerfs the weapons
>nerfs the ashes of war
But anon, I have sway, and I didn't even play the damn game. I just signal boosted the side that pisses you off.

>>683683424
>one of the best dlcs ever made
Can you actually describe why? Or is it just because it costs as much as a full price AAA game and we all know Cost = Quality

>>683683660
>fromtard is driven into a corner
>incomes some sort of git gud derivative
Everytime

>>683682646
sorry

>>683683848
>"you didn't play the game and are just parroting criticism I can't argue against"
>"you're a fromtard backed into a corner"
ESL retard it's time to take a break from posting

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>>683681078
Nothing, it's Fromsoftware's best game

>>683684045
Nah, he's right. Every fanbase calls their DLCs the best of all time. It's annoying but routine at this point.

>>683681960
>>new weapon kinds only found on dlc area
Where else would you find them?

>>683682109
You know you can look up the lore on Youtube if piecing it together is beyond your mental ability, right?

>>683684228
Except he is right and that retard didn't play the game. If he did he would know graces are even further away between each other than in the base game and the dungeons are fantastic, with Shadow Keep being the pinnacle of From game design.
The rest is low hanging fruit bullshut
>spells are bugged
Yeah no shit, every From release needs a fix/rebalance patch. Nobody cares because the balance swings wildly but Elden Ring patching history has been excellent with great long term support and rebalancing
Basically he is pretending and trying to dogpile on a game he hates

>>683684464
ER never had balance problems. Spells did exactly what it said in descriptions. It's the playerbase flagrantly misusing them that's to blame.

>>683684464

There are still way too many graces, though.

I understand From don't want every level to be full of locked doors and elevators but there are way too many even in Shadow Keep, many are visible from eachother.

>>683684461
>y-you know you can watch VaatiVidya r-right.
Grim.

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>>683681078
Nothing, it's their best game
SOTE > ER > RC > TOH > BB > AOA > DS3 > SEK > DES > DS1 >>>> DS2 AND DLCS

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>>683681078
Nothing went wrong. I had a blast. Maybe you should stop playing these games if you don't enjoy them because clearly you're not the target audience anymore. I'll keep having fun and you'll keep being mad

im bored

>go into threads shortly after DLC launch when I beat it
>full of discussion, shared criticism from people who also finished it early
Can't believe thread quality deteriorated so fast feels like the DLC just game out.

Faggots trying to insist the DLC is flawless or accuse shazamposting/discord campaigns, DS2 brought up unprompted and blamed, ESL schizos that can't follow a reply chain 1 post deep. Just a pack of sub-80 IQ idiots trying to narrative set.
>>683684464
>shadow keep being the pinnacle of From game design
case in point look at this fucking retard, who does he think he's fooling?

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>>683684564
>ER never had balance problems. Spells did exactly what it said in descriptions.
And you instantly gave yourself away, that was easy.
>>683684589
>There are still way too many graces
No there aren't, even the base game doesn't have such issue but SOTE doubled the engagements and difficulty of mobs between checkpoints.
Anyone who actually played would notice it

>>683684386
in the roundtable hold shop, there's already weapons of almost all kinds

>>683684867
So that you can p2w the base game that wasn't designed for it?

>>683684772
trying too hard, tranny
>>683684564
>ER never had balance problems. Spells did exactly what it said in descriptions.
Shitposting lying faggot, kys already

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>>683684564
lol retarded shazamfag

>>683681078
For me it's
>more fetching
>new everything that you won't get to fully enjoy because there's still no way to replay bosses without having to replay the entire game
I enjoy this but the more I play elden ring the more I realize this game needs bonfire ascetic and I have no fucking clue why they didn't introduce it on the DLC
Just let me finish the game, and then replay from scratch the areas I enjoy without having to replay the entire fucking thing again.

>>683684926
no, so you can get a taste of how they work, because none of the weapons in the round table shop, not the rememberance shop, the other one with the twins, none of those weapons are p2w because most if not all of them are weapons that spawn with you when you create a character and have standard ashes of war
Adding a slim greatsword or a backhand knife isn't going to break the game more than the 2 fingers seal will

>>683684812
Nah they definitely went overboard with the graces with Midra's manse and the front entrance of Shadowkeep being the most blatant examples of that. What's dumb is that they already had a solution to the runback problem that didn't involve putting graces everywhere but then they ignored it and spammed graces anyway.

>>683681078
Its a glorified boss rush dlc. And I hate modern souls games for that. Its nothing but boss rushing.

>>683684945
>kill hippo
>walk up stairs, kill a couple soldiers and black knights
>walk down stairs, kill some midget enemies copy pasted from base game
>open side door shortcut to hippo boss room
Bravo, pinnacle of fromsoft design, nothing they ever did surpasses that experience.

Can't wait to get into the storage room and fight a fire knight, and then some fire knight, and maybe a fire knight, then overworld mob bat in the rafters.

>>683681078
My only complaint is the new weapon types being a total meme.
>a bunch of weapons with throwing attacks instead of heavy attacks which are situationally only really useful in PvP except for Hammer knocking things over at the cost of your entire stamina bar vanishing
>1 (one) throwing blade with an ash of war made specifically for it
>1 (one) Light greatsword with an ash of war made specifically for it and 2 somber LGS' of which one needs the most shitter build possible to actually get full use out of Who the fuck greenlit Rallena blades C/C/C/C scaling? Just separate them like DS3 Pontif
But then again the swordlance is so strangely good because it's an infusable boss weapon and takes infusements better than any other weapon in it's class.

>>683685252
>Its a glorified boss rush dlc.
But it focuses a fuckton around exploration.
Just ask yourself how many scadutree fragments / revere dashes you find from beating bosses and how many you find from exploring.

>>683681078
Stale formula

>>683682349
This is spot-on.

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people adopting the retarded "must be always postive" mindset as though From can do no wrong while constantly and conveniently ignoring the multiple patches addressing legitimately broken shit in-game, iteration between titles, and the fact that NOT criticizing them leads to stagnation and them taking steps backwards, that and the fact that legitimate criticism has become conflated with "you just think it's too hard" which is fucking retarded and how you get shit like DS2 in the first place

when you're almost required to post a webm of you no-hitting the boss with a broken shortsword and in a loincloth to be able to post a short few sentences explaining why an area feels underutilized or how a boss is underwhelming without instantly seeing the same mindless "lol filtered" "git gud" posts that have become more and more prevalent over the past 12 years there is a problem

>>683685559
>Who the fuck greenlit Rallena blades C/C/C/C scaling? Just separate them like DS3 Pontif
It's the Dancer blades dumbass, you only use the blade with the scaling for you

You don't get time to enjoy the cool bosses because they roll up and gank you seconds into the fight so you have to resort to cheap tactics or min max building that break their AI or kill the boss in seconds.The best bosses in the game are the death knights at the bottom of the catacombs because they're not giant monstrosities and you can see what they're doing. Fromsoft peaked at Bloodborne and Sekiro in that regard because you can read the bosses and train your reflexes when in Elden Ring you're getting by on luck rather than skill.

Open worlds also suck generally.

>>683685636
skill issue

Not enough content. Like yeah, the environments are beautiful and the fun is a world to enjoy your first time around, but there's really very little to find.

Not enough weapons, not enough armors, not enough spells, not enough AoW. Also the game keeps being allergic to giving the player cool shit like the bosses do which hurts me, biggest offender being the Star-Lined Sword.

>>683681078
B team

>>683685414
>shortcut to avoid a dozen enemies and 5 minutes of runback
>is bad design somehow
eat shit and die

>>683682560
Dark Souls 2 had very different ideas.

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>>683685636
How about you git gud?
>>683685727
skill issue detected

>>683685636
git gud
>DS2
DS2 issue was that bosses were too retarded and easy and the game considered "bosses" a bunch of NPCs in a room

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>>683685792
I disagree, the weapons, spells and ashes we got are really interesting and varied mechanically. I just hope they fix/rebalance spells soon

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I devoured ER base game and DLC in 2 weeks as my first souls game and decided I just won’t kill the end boss. Just cba it’s not a fun fight. Rest of the game was great.

>>683685792
I'm 5 to 7 hours in, and I already feel that way. I can tell the interaction with the game world is very shallow and there isn't enough kind of content to keep me satisfied. It's just look at new shiny environment and fight so far. I'm still early on, but after New Vegas, I'm spoiled. I like lots of different ingame characters and quests to discover, I like content and interacting with the narrative, shaping it by my actions, and don't get me wrong, I like the game so far, but it's already a little too shallow for me .

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>>683685559
Anon if you are an INT/FTH build use both, if you are an INT build only 1 hand it, if you are a FTH build put it on the left hand and 1 hand it

>>683686146
Still not nearly enough. Fucks sake all of the new weapon types only have one infusable rep.

>>683685727
one of the best bosses in the game is Midra and he's easy as fuck

>>683686416
I noticed this, it's like they threw in bare minimum "1 infusable 1-2 legendaries" for all of them when they could've at least gone with like 4 or 5 each

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>>683685792
>Also the game keeps being allergic to giving the player cool shit like the bosses do which hurts me
Still haven't forgiven them for this sword.

>>683681078
the dungeons are too short, the dlc hypes enir llim constantly but it takes like an hour to complete

>>683686809
I'd prefer if they were going to keep doing the Ash of War/Skill shit going forward that they'd both have less of them would need to make them all somewhat similar to BB Trick Weapons in that holding the left trigger either puts you into a different weapon mode or activates a stance that you can do different moves from so you don't get locked into "le one big boss move" and also having the properties of these moves altered by infusions

>>683686904
not trying to shit on your argument or anything, but it's not like you can't beat raya lucaria in one hour with way worse equipment

>>683685559
The same retard that thought people would want these shitty ass smithscript throwing weapons must be the same retard who thought people would want to play as Trickster in Dragon's Dogma 2. All that wasted dev time and effort coming up with weapons nobody will ever fucking use.

>>683687276
smithscript weapons are great you retard

>>683685559
>>683687276
Smithscript weapons just suffer from dogshit numbers and costing so much to fucking do anything because they're deathly afraid of the player having ranged options with zero cost, they are so insanely gimped in so many different ways

>>683681078
Being too good for normalfaggots that found it hard.
It's not that hard at all.
I bet Rellana like 4th try.

>>683687096
So many Ashes being good but locking you in an animation that leaves you vulnerable is what kills it for me. I've found it much simpler for cancerous bosses to just pop Royal Knights resolve and get a good hit in. Some do allow for more stronger or flashier ashes, but its rare. Like I can't do something with long combos or that lifts me in the air with Rellana because its an endless barrage of anime combos with no stamina bar and endless poise.

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>>683684176
Why is Miquella a man and not a child here?
Miquella's controversy alone made this 9/10 for me. Minor niggles with late DLC and emptiness.

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>>683682349
>Are you hard because you're Souls? Or are you Souls because you're hard?

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>>683685945
I wish you had to choose a side between Messmer and Miquella, instead of none.
And I kinda wish the DLC was accessible only after beating the main game. It's a good conclusion. The actual game conclusion doesn't satisfy as much as a the DLC's.

>>683682139
Nah, the lore is good.
The revelation at the end shows that Malenia release the scarlet rot not because of pride (so that she can remain undefeated) but because of duty, to finish the important mission given to her by her brother. Mind you she never once succumbed to the Rot even as it ate away her arm, her leg and her eyes.
For Radahn and Miquella, i blame the english translation using consort instead of king for making people confused. Because consort carries the connotation of marrigae, people think Miquella was being yandere for Radahn and ordered Malenia to nuke Caelid so he can have Radahn all to himself. But all Miquella asked is for Radahn to be the king of his new order, to be the symbol and ruler of the new age. Thus the battle of Caelid is a battle of principles, between old and new. Radahn is known for having a hard time accepting changes so he probably demands the twin to prove themselves to him before he submits
The final boss is a perfect end to Elden Ring. It provides what is missing from the base game, a battle between two lords for a new age. Unlike Dark Soul and Bloodborne, Elden Ring is supposed to be more positive, you are to herald a new age after all. Yet you can see how depressing the ending of the base game was, you fight Godfrey while the world is covering in flame and ash. You fight a broken Radagon who is missing limb. In phase 2, Godfrey abandons his lordship while Radagon is unceremoniously turned into a sword. The first lord of the golden order no longer fight for them and the second is nothing but a tool. In constrast phase 2 of promised king Radahn has him stand tall and proud with his god by his side.
The game begins with your maiden wishing you good luck for your journey: “Though the path be broken and uncertain, claim your place as Elden Lord" and ending with sir ansbach reminding you of why you are here "Righteous Tarnished. Become our new lord. A lord not for gods, but for men."

>>683688946
>For Radahn and Miquella, i blame the english translation using consort instead of king for making people confused. Because consort carries the connotation of marrigae, people think Miquella was being yandere for Radahn and ordered Malenia to nuke Caelid so he can have Radahn all to himself. But all Miquella asked is for Radahn to be the king of his new order, to be the symbol and ruler of the new age.
Nah this is nonsense. There are many many other things insinuating a perverted aspect to their relationship.
There were many NPCs questioning his actions.

Just look at Mohg. The fuck was that blood libel about?
Miquella clearly let it happen.

>>683688884
I wish the opposite actually, I wanted the DLC to actually have some kind of impact on the base game so they were more interconnected
It's so disappointing knowing you can go and kick Miquella's ass early on then go to the Haligtree like normal with nothing changing, or Gideon and Ranni having fuckall to say about you actually finding him

The perversion makes it more sick and twisted for me. Miquella becomes more like a literal child and less like a logical adult in a child's body. He becomes more like MM's skull kid/Majora.

>>683681078
nothing it’s GOATED the first decent expansion in a decade

>>683682139
>>throwaway characters aren't interesting
But Leda my tragic wife is lovely.

>>683689195
>I wish the opposite actually, I wanted the DLC to actually have some kind of impact on the base game so they were more interconnected
>It's so disappointing knowing you can go and kick Miquella's ass early on then go to the Haligtree like normal with nothing changing, or Gideon and Ranni having fuckall to say about you actually finding him
Not that anon. And I really like the DLC. But this is hands down my biggest disappointment with the DLC.

>>683689195
Fromsofts DLCs have always been like this. They are very shallow when it comes to organic interaction on their own games or amongst their story.

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>>683689195
Well that could have been good too. But I feel like Messmer and Miquella were more satisfying end game bosses than Marika/Radagon. It's unexpected and twisted.
Like I barely cared about the lore until the DLC implied some horrific things about the state of the lands between and the shadows.
And the shadows felt more alive than the main word for me. There was active war. NPCs were marching forth. They had a dramatic change in their ways of thinking because Miquella's charm. That sort of felt like the shadows was building towards a strong climax and it was super satisfying, except it kinda happened too early into things. It should have broken after you explored the depths and the dragon areas and completed questlines.
Instead it just breaks and so it's building to this descent to hell... but then you get sidetracked by irrelevant shit.

Ansbach tailing Freya, Leda and Moore while Leda and Moore were Tailing Hornsent was really good. It felt like things were marching towards the shadow keep.
I don't know why they made the charm break before Metyr or after some loose ends weren't finished.

>>683686343
I played an 80/80 INT/FTH build and Rellana's blades only felt worth it when dual-wielding. If you were to use just 1 of them you just get worse damage than a magic infused Milady for instance. They only had more damage / higher DPS when dual-wielding. Having fire on-hand immediately was nice though, I liked using them for trash clearing and such but they're not amazing and don't have particularly good damage.

The C/C/C/C scaling does stink of """balancing""" a bit too strongly, it's like they made them such that they don't scale well with any sort of sane build you might have, gotta make sure to keep 'em "viable" but with an ever-present stink of shit whenever you whip them around to ensure they couldn't possibly be actually good. A great many things are designed like this.

>>683688946
Really, because I swear it looks like Miqella goes in for a kiss as he fades out after you defeat him.

>>683689650
I think the problem is that it stops being DLC and becomes more a true ending to the main game and a real requirement for the base game.
That might be simply a legal problem. Kinda sucks.

>>683689341
bait used to mean something

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>>683689771
Messmer is a great boss but he deserved to be a bit more involved in things aside from you just finding his boss room at the top of Shadow Keep then burning another tree. Definitely a top 3 boss though.

Miquella/Radahn was massively disappointing on the other hand, disregarding whether he was actually hard or not it felt like such an anti-climax compared to the buildup of the NPCs themselves and you getting this huge battle royale that could change depending on who died and who you managed to help/save, excellent buildup and payoff. Miquella/Radahn in comparison came across as extremely pandering in a way that didn't feel very earned because of, among other things, the DLC having to do a LOT of heavy lifting for it to make sense without seeming like an asspull (which it still kinda does), Radahn being fanservice for the exact same game as... Radahn, having souls references that don't particularly fit as well as they should've (twin princes and also sulyvahn for some reason), Mohg not playing nearly as big a role as he should in the whole thing, it goes on and on.

>>683688695
that's his mom

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>>683690337
That would make more sense. kek

>>683688946
>i blame the english translation using consort instead of king for making people confused
People struggle a lot with poetic language.
Consort is fine here, because a consort is someone who gains their status through association with another. A king consort is the ruling queen's husband. A god's consort then is the Lord who rules by that god's grace.
It's a good translation, people are just retarded.

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>>683690287
It really should have been:
>march on Messmer
or
>betray Miquella

Because neither choice are fair really and it should really teach that sometimes there isn't a correct decision. Sort of fits. All of the characters are making hard decisions the moment Miquella let's go. And they don't really make good decisions because there really isn't any for them to choose. They're in limbo.

Then on top of this, you could have some help maybe in the ER final boss by one of them as a
>but, there are some benefits from choosing either

It kinda was a missed opportunity. A sort of spin on decisions in limbo and how they could net you a strategic win in the end if you choose well.
But the problem is that Miquella's plan was compassion, and compassion is just a lie if you're using force or subversive persuasion.
Messmer, on the other hand, would potentially have an issue with fighting his mother. There's that issue.
So why not use Miquella's persuasion on Messmer to convince him to end his tyranny and stop the tyranny in ER overall.

That's where I thought it was going initially.

I'd rather have this than TOTK.

>>683681078
I'm enjoying it a lot. The new bosses are great. The major legacy dungeons are all too short and small though, compared to the main game dungeons. But there are a lot more of them and I will say the minor dungeons like the tombs and the foundaries are way way higher quality and they're as good as legacy dungeons if shorter in the DLC.

I unironically. Struggled more with Messmer than I did with Malenia or ConsortRadahn.

And I did Malenia(pre-dlc) -> Messmer(12scadu) -> ConsortRadahn(19scadu).
Maybe I suck or I play weird. But I genuinely don't find Malenia or ConsortRadahn all too scary.
And Messmer might have huge openings while being relatively squishy. But Messmer has so many more knockback hitting moves than even Radahn. And while Radahn goes hard with the Holy damage in phase 2, Messmer throws fire element attacks immediately and never stops.
But Messmer also has far more moves where he retreats. Be it far away or up in the air. Which allows him to recover his stance in ways not even Radahn does.

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>>683681078
They added more content in a game that needs to be 30 hours shorter.

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Reminder that Messmer did nothing wrong.

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>>683691110
>All of the characters are making hard decisions the moment Miquella let's go.
Bruh, she just indulges in her murder boner.

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>>683689271
>Miquella becomes more like a literal child and less like a logical adult in a child's body
That is consistent because that is Miquella's curse. Though gifted with intelligence, he was eternally a child in both mind and body. Did you not notice how every single one of his previous endeavors went unfinished and failed he had demigod ADD and could never see anything through.

This ultimate grand plan of his is described as "pure folly" by an NPC who's helmet is called the Wise Man Mask.

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>>683681078
what went right:
-lot of the set pieces are really fucking cool
-a bunch of the environmental tracks
-lot of cool new weapons/item/skills/spells/whatever
-shits a fuck load of upgrade resources and runes at you to try all the new shit
-most of the lore not related to miquella
what went wrong:
-scadu fragments
-super radahn and maybe one or two other bosses
-... couple of the new things are either shit, feel like they exist just to powercreep base game stuff, or are flatout recycled assets with different stats
-more crafting shit
-despite it throwing all the upgrade shit at you, you're still limited on how many +25/+10 weapons you can make per playthrough
-even with max scadu blessings, a lot of enemy stats feel fucking out of control
-most of the lore related to miquella

There should be an option to NG+ the Shadow Realm specifically.
If you NG+ normally it takes far too long before you can return to the DLC even if you rush towards it.

Why do scadutree fragments see so much hate here?
They're great. One of the best things the DLC did. And even better, they only benefit you within the DLC. So that you don't completely screw over the base game afterwards.

>>683691268
I'd rather have good games, zoomer.

>>683691593
But you can hear the torment.
She's literally criticising herself as a bloodthirsty villain herself.

She doesn't go in oblivious. She becomes aware of her situation and what she had become and what miquella was preventing her from doing to others. Without his charm, she is helpless to her desire. That's her punishment. That realisation of her being a tyrant herself antithesis to what Miquella wanted. That realisation that these things likely convinced Miquella to leave his flesh.

In fact, I'm convinced Miquella may have realised that his charm was anti-thesis to his goals. He seems to have deliberately lead followers to the realisation. And I think he was merely in a state of acceptance of his hypocrisy. Hence Ansbach really having an issue with this change in his behaviour to the point of attempting to kill him in the past. He seems to have foreseen the darkness Miquella was travelling down, his self indulgent side. Compassion was his vice as much as his latter indulgence. Compassion lead to the exploitation of it.

>>683692313
because if you are gonna rip off the piece of heart system from zelda you have zero excuses to not do it correctly.

>>683692527
What are you implying?

>>683681078
From a pvp perspective this DLC was pretty awful. There are no new multiplayer features, no pvp boss fights, no new modes. All that was added were some weapons and ashes of war that are absolute cancer in pvp. Game was actually better before the DLC came along which is a first for Fromsoft.

>>683681078
My nigger, for $40 I expected at least a new fucking ending. Never again. Miyazaki owes me a video game.

>>683684176
why is he facepalming?

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>>683691932
I'm not gonna lie, I think he indulged in blood in his despair and realisation of his folly. I don't think Mohg did that for necessary reason. Miquella is, potentially, an evil man pretending to still adhere to compassion while in reality brainwashing followers to obedience while he sought a grander indulgence.
In fact, I'm not convinced he was ever kind. He's potentially far more vile, in a subversive sense, than Messmer. He'll slaughter under false pretenses and then indulge in it either as a coping mechanism to his despair about his failed goals, or simply because it was his goal the entire time. Like a child, he just wanted to play.
OR, potentially, the Mohg situation was the final straw and part of a grander scheme. He clearly grew the erdtree with "his own blood" but I'm no longer convinced it was his alone. Maybe that was the goal of the Mohg situation. Maybe that was his plot the entire time, to feed that tree or something? Part of the haligtree thing was potentially due to the situation with this brother, Godwyn, right? I don't think we have much more on the mechanics there though.

Maybe he sought an "alternative solution to self sacrifice"?
I need to read more into this.

But it could be that he was merely required to sacrifice to save his own brother and he merely convinced Mohg he was doing it to resurrect Miquella. Yeah that makes much more sense. The whole thing could be a plot to save Godwyn from his torment.
He is there for compassion after all.

But then... what about the Radahn situation? Did he just break? Or was he to use Radahn for... holy shit I see.
Yeah... Miquella had to die. Anbach was right.

> avatarfagging
at least don't post shitty fan art, cuck

>>683681078
Elden ring is probably the greatest video game ever released.
Do you know how many suicides the troons have done because everyone loves this amazing game?

>>683693117
I think it was $20 in SMT5 for 3 new monsters, which were just tamas for EXP, Money, etc.

>>683693395
Anon failed to kill him again.

Another soulless corporate focus tested product made by pajeets

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>>683693541
None because Miquella is ambiguous and complex and it's not entirely his fault. The situation was fucked the moment Godwyn was assassinated.

The real villain is fucking Ranni. It was Ranni the entire time. She turned them into these monsters. Even Rykard. Ranni was the root cause.

>>683693862
Lol shes trying again.

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>>683694105
Huh?
She murdered Godwyn because she didn't want to be a mere consort of Marika.
Everything she did was unjustified and set every horrible thing that came forth.
She indulged in power and the others, without such wants before, came to indulging themselves like her. She was a black hole in the scheme of things. The true first domino.
Though that said, she may have had issues with Marika's rule and the overall will.
But I don't think they were justifiable enough to do what she did to Godwyn. She basically raped the lands between.

Or am I missing something?
Also best girl. Burn it all.

>>683692216
>bumrush Stormveil as fast as possible to grab Godrick's rune
>do the runaround for Varre's questline to get to Mohg palace quickly
>run for Ranni's, do all the shit requiring you to meet up with Blaidd then double back to Seluvis in order to trigger the festival
>beat Radahn's ass then fast travel to Mohgwyn and beat Mohg's ass
that seems like the fastest way to me and it's still a pain in the ass to have to do all that

>>683694543
Shes still trying lol

>>683692313
because they literally already did this exact system in Sekiro and even a piece of this system in the base game and both times it's done better yet they somehow forgot what made it work for both of those

No overflow of fragments means if you want maxed out level (no "BUT YOU DON'T NEED IT" bullshit) you have to scour the map for all of them which is something pointedly avoided in the base game with golden seeds and even when done with sacred tears they're literally always in churches so you know exactly where they'll be and there's only 12, being tied to "muh get out there and explore" only works exactly once on the first playthrough for the sake of selling you on spectacle and setpieces then immediately falls apart and becomes a chore once you realize you would need to do all this AGAIN for a different character, not having at least a minimum drop as a reward for beating bosses is very pigeonholing for an open world game and them not being guaranteed unless you're scouring a guide for them means you can go through whole areas and get nothing but mushrooms for your trouble, and all this on top of being a system designed almost specifically to make sure it's still "hard" via inflating stats when it was totally unnecessary since the DLC already requires beating both Radahn and Mohg and the worst complaint would be people calling it 'easy' which apparently From can't stomach the idea of, it's just not very well implemented

>>683694543
Why would blue bitch become a consort? She was a replacement for marika. Which begs the question why they need a consort if marika was one person the entire time

>>683681078
Scadutree system sucked, it was over when they announced this piece of shit, worst feature since ADP in DS2.

>>683681078
Empty map, zero integration into the main game, shit main story, shit final boss.

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>"you see that blonde haired slut?"
>"beat him to a pulp and I'll tie him to a "horse" for you later"
>Thus began Miquella's descent into pig bitchdom and he was never seen or heard from in the lands between again other than in the form of the heinous whinnying of horses dying in battle.

Wow she is so hot.
Same with Miquella.

This works for me. God bdsm torture works for me.
I hope Messmer joins in. But he should be switch.

>>683695290
you can beat dlc without them, scrub

>>683694605
>>beat Radahn's ass
What happens if you skip this step?

>>683695441
> every fanart sharting faggot draws tarnished in this shitty set
lol fuck off

>>683681078
legacy dungeons were shit and those were the only redeemable part of the vanilla game
it goes without saying the open world alongside its abhorrent filler content

>>683695182
>which is something pointedly avoided in the base game with golden seeds
And it sucks. It was immensely dissatisfying when I had gathered 5 seeds only to realize they wouldn't do anything.

>>683681078
the hippo sucked
using flashbangs to obfuscate boss movements is a bad design choice
we're probably about at the upper limit where boss aggression can be taken
that's all I can think of

>>683695771
then they should've either gone the Sekiro route and tied a decent number of fragments to bosses or boss memories (which would've also added refights) or added a secondary use for recycling them so they don't just fill up inventory space once you hit the cap

>>683695671
it's a good looking set

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Is it my turn to attack yet?

>>683696161
Extra seeds and Marikas Tears should have been traded into the Bell Maidens or the Turtle pope or Rennala for something beneficial to all builds, maybe Rune Arcs or a consumable that negates damage or boosts AR. Hell if they wanted to incentivize repeated playthroughs they could have made it so loot changes.

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>>683695202
>Why would blue bitch become a consort?
To keep peace obviously. But she didn't desire peach right?
And the God's didn't want that otherwise they would never have fucked things at all to begin with.
The whole goal was manifesting human free will, but we all know that's horseshit too. They just poked the hive to torment the creation.

Miquella was trying to save his family.
Messmer was "mad" and Miquella probably "couldn't save him" and it's not merely because he was hungry for power. (OR why he wanted to brainwash Radahn likely from the start.)
So yeah, Miquella definitely did not seek power with a child's face smiling.

Messmer... once again, just a fucking victim from these things, first by Marika, then by Ranni, then by Miquella.
And for that I hate everyone, including the humans and dragons, but Messmer. He deserves vengeance and is frankly more fun and less BLUE. The most important part.

The moral is: ignore thots, ignore traps, seek femboy brother-commander instead, the others are fucking insane anyway, so go all in?
Plus he's good with snakes, you know what that means.
Togethaaaaaaaaa.

>>683681078
They should have filtered the shitters back in the base game rather than giving them false hope and dashing it after taking their DLC money.

>>683695582
That doesn't make this dlc better.

>>683682109
Just read nigga, it's not that complex. I know they use a lot of antiquated language but think of it as a chance ot learn new words.

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Well, to me it feels like i am playing a new Elden Ring game. Granted, smaller map but it feels more compact and intricate. And i am loving it so far. Exploring Shadow Keep at the moment and it's amazing how big that place is despite being only a castle. But every zone i've been to so far has been great, i loved Abyssal Woods. The boss was annoying but i summoned so it was doable eventually. I think the worst part for me so far has been the golden hippo, the hit/bite boxes on that boss are terrible and the Leda-Ansbach quests. I don't like how easy it is to fuck up or miss stuff when doing those quests, plus no matter what i tried, i can't get the letter to Freyja. I found Ansbach first, gave him the scroll, then i found Freyja and when i went back to Ansbach to get the letter he was gone, and no matter what, the letter wouldn't appear where he was. Even after i helped him in the Leda fight. So idk i wish they'd make questing in their games better. The need to reload an area or even reload the game to progress them is terrible. But other than that i love it. I love Milady, the backhand blades and the perfume weapons. Plus visually it's stunning

>>683696430
>Miquella was trying to save his family.
pretty sure miquella was just a griffith ripoff trying to become a god for the lulz

>>683696326
I beat him twice, second time with reflection tear and 2handed great sword. He's fine but his damage is overtuned.

>>683685559
>My only complaint is the new weapon types being a total meme.
personally i love fire perfume weapon it's great for clearing general trash in the open world and dungeons. And Milady is top tier

>>683695671
It's the fluted set of a new generation.

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So he's basically the same boat as Gwyndolin, only his snakes are red, he's hungry and he's not a pussy?
Like:
>he's still trying to fight for his kingdom for the sake of his parent (this time his mommy)
>the "facade" is less of a facade and merely a show of brute force to maintain power and convince the land of shadow to be obedient
>snake
>femboy
>secretly desires the MC's cock but is probably embarrassed

Best boy.
Only he's not a trap.
He's just a man. An effeminate pretty boy, but still a man.

Nice.
Would.

>>683682848
>Isn't the B team thing kind of a myth?
No. Elden Ring has always been a B team game which is why it shares a lot in common with Dark Souls 2, it just turned out better because they had more money, more time, and Miyazaki was more hands-on.

>>683696853
But Gwyndolin was more of a ripoff in DS.
So Messmer just... doesn't give a fuck.

Damn Ranni really had to get rid of him. He's too perfect competition wise. Too much like her.

>>683681078
Debuffing level 300 characters to feel like they're level -20 is not fun.

>>683696756
Questlines are so fucked up in elden ring, it was hilariously bad on launch for the base game when basic ones like Nephali's were broken.

>>683697092
It is for me when you get shown how much of a hack and newb you are.

>>683697081
There's zero reason why ranni did anything she did, and I don't think there's a single point the game link ranni to miquella

>>683697229
that one still is, i started from scratch for the DLC and towards the end i had to rest at the grace before Godrick's for her to appear in the throne room

>>683682349
The game is balanced around you using spirit ashes but you've been convinced by the retarded community not to so that's why you think the game is too hard. Felt perfectly balanced to me because I actually used the tools the game gives me.

>>683697395
>that's why you think the game is too hard
Only Fromdrones think these games are hard.

>>683682912
You don't need max fragments, not even close. The difference between 1-10 is massive while the difference between 10-20 is almost nothing

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Also note that unlike Rykard, the serpent became part of Messmer, not the other way round. Messmer had basically controlled the serpent to his will and was active with it's use. I can see why that bitch Marika, that other bitch Ranni and that other other Miquella, all lying cows, saw his power as a threat.

Instead of fucking everyone in the shadows he lead from the front.
A Gwyndolin cowardly type that was not cowardly, was forthright and was based. Nice.

I'm liking him more and more, the other whores are just shitty bitches.

>>683697395
Doesn't Miyazaki use summons?

>>683697092
it's a lose lose situation
debuff everyone, people bitch
don't debuff everyone, and people with overleveled characters will just say that the dlc was ezpz

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This is the biggest problem with nu-FromSoft

>>683696970
It's criminal that his little sis doesn't even acknowledge his existence, and vice versa.

>>683685636
You know people tell you to git gud specifically because it makes you seethe this much, right?

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>>683697725
it seems fine to me

>>683683178
Fpbp

>>683697854
nah, some people legitimately fool themselves into thinking fromsoft games are good because they're good at them

>>683697886
>literally just a worse monster hunter now
lol

>>683689141
>There are many many other things insinuating a perverted aspect to their relationship.
Such as?

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>>683697945
but if you're good at the game, and you like the game you're good at...doesn't that mean the game is good ? i don't understand

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they created the perfect superboss in the base game and then had to figure out how to go even further beyond

>>683698172
80 IQ people fall for the marketing that the game is good if they can beat it, it's pretty simple psychological manipulation but the actual subhumans that play fromsoft games wouldn't be able to recognize it if you told them

>>683697695
>people with overleveled characters will just say that the dlc was ezpz
why is that a downside and who cares
common sense dictates "okay if I go through at the level they said was recommended then it'll still be somewhat challenging," it's not From's job to make sure the game is "le prepare to die" ass-rapingly hard and it never was yet somehow they lost the plot a while ago

>>683697854
absolutely untrue and both missing and proving the point

>>683697591
He probably also turtles behind a greatshield and pokes with bleed spears

>>683698268
so the people who love the game and think it's good are actually wrong, because you don't like it and think they were mind-tricked ?

>>683697473
I am a fromdrone you retard, it's not hard if you actually play the game how it's intended to be played.

>>683698535
You would genuinely have to be stupid to think it's a good game, so yes, the explanation is that retards are psychologically manipulated into thinking it's a good game, which is why they're all stupid people

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>>683681078
>kill Messmer
>alright cool it had been a while since I last played I think I'll just keep going where the game's pointing me but let me take a look at what people say why not
>apparently this is like one of the last 3 places to go to and my skibidi level is just at 8/20 when without looking more into it I would be pretty much just been walking into Radahn very soon and still will because that's likely where I would have gone naturally
Huh. I hope Rauh will give me plenty of Scooby snacks. Feels like this will be rough.

>>683697945
>>683698492
lmao git gud seething shitters, instead of spending this time whining you could be learning to play

>>683682109
I think the thing that cracked me up the most was how some people thought there was going to be hours of cutscenes or some shit. Like when the fuck has from ever done that kind of thing?

>>683698669
Did you fight Gaius? The area right after him gives you a bunch of fragments.

>>683696326
if you have to ask, then no

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>>683698657
Damn that means there are tens of millions of stupid people playing and enjoying this game. And you're one of the few smart ones who figured out the game is actually bad. I wonder how this will affect everything.

>>683698669
There’s only one or two in that zone. You have to the back of shadow keep and kill the shittiest boss in the DLC to get a whole bunch

>>683698576
>I am a fromdrone
yeah it shows

>>683698039
Apart from the shock and disgust of his ex-followers and the blood libel he was apparently behind the entire time, likely for Godwyn's sake?
Hello?
He's open to all sorts of indulgences because his ethos is a lie and his obsession with Radahn "odd considering his power of charms the remaining existence of Messmer".
Why not convinced messmer to do his bidding?


Then again, I think his charm broke because Messmer had a barrier built around his keep. You can see it in game a purple waterfall around the tree. It's right there.
It likely activated the moment the Tarnished touched it.

>>683697886
what spear is that?

>>683698679
still missing the point but you'll get there

>>683698885
>if there are tens of millions of stupid people playing and enjoying this game, you're one of the few smart ones
>I wonder how this will affect everything.
Well seeing as that the entire industry is catering to lower and lower IQ people games will just keep getting worse and worse and I guess you will still be here defending them

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>>683698249
She is basically equal with Messmer for me ay.
>imagine the threesome
>foursome with melina

>>683698669
There is behind the keep actually.
Also apparently the worst boss, I haven't tried him yet.

>>683699003
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Queelign's+Greatsword
it's not a spear though

>>683699003
Queeligns greatsword. It's in the heavy thrusting sword category, not spear

Campaign is good for the first time but too much on other characters. But that's ok overall.
New weapons beside backhand blades and great kats sucks.

My main problem is PVP being utterly shit since Ds3. In PC it's getting worse and worse thanks to seamless coop stealing all players. Seamless coop is great for playing with friends but it kills regular coop, which kills regular invasions (already bad) and kill duels (which are also bad here) just like ds3 awful invasions and duels. The only fun weapons on ds3 are farron meme sword and the paired ringed ultra greatswords.

I miss DS2 pvp so much. I miss bone fist.

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>>683681078
Two dlcs haphazarrdly fused into one, creating a messy story and setting and causing a lot of planned content to be dropped. At times it almost comes off like a fanfiction (looking at you in particular consort Radahn).
Miquella's role is not good. He is pitifully underutilized as a character and ultimately just a boss to kill despite how important he is in the main game's lore and even to the player's own journey. For god's sake you've been riding HIS HORSE the whole time and this doesn't come up even once.
No attempt at all to integrate it with the main game. If she's still alive and with you Melina doesn't have anything to say in Marika's homeland inhabited by her own brother, you can't tell Gideon about the shadow lands and killing Miquella, etc.

>>683699005
mad cuz bad

>>683698249
I killed Malenia on my 6th try by having me and mimic tear spam hoarfrost stomp. Some superboss.

>>683699437
>From artist comes up with cool symbol
>symbol gets reused in a bunch of places because it's cool
Wow!

>>683698920
Ansbach is the only one who seems to care about Miquella making Radahn his consort and that's only because he's using Mohg's body.

>>683699008
so older games were for smart people ?

>>683699175
>>683699182
thanks
>i've been using heavy thrusting swords all the time
>i missed this one because i gave a golden iris thingy to queelign
10/10 goty

>>683698889
I accept your concession.

>>683699236
Seamless coop has invasion now and it is enabled by default unlike the game itself.

>>683699771
uhhh you were the one who conceded that you were a fromdrone

>>683699656
Why reuse that symbol specifically and not a different one?

>>683699778
>Invade
>A cheater
>Invasions are still shitty 3v1
>It can even be 5v1
>Most people disable invasions
>pvp is still utter shit regardless since it's based on ds3 shitty systems

>>683699778
No one really uses that mod though.

>>683699807
You're the one who thinks that's a pejorative and didn't refute anything I said

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I'm starting to think Messmer is the reason why the Greater Will/Fingers were kicked into action and beckoned the Tarnished. He tamed the snake and became too powerful. The fingers are about order. Messmer, with the snake, is power through oppressive chaos and torment. Like boa strangling it's victim.

Damn, Messmer really was just too powerful to allow him to remain while the fingers ruled.
So... does that mean Ranni has ironically freed him?
Hang on a second...

>Red
>Blue

>Fire(Chaos, Awake/day)
>Moon(Calm, Sleep)

Maybe Ranni had a sneaky plan to satisfy her lust for power why establishing a "useful" challenging scapegoat.
I.e. for strategic sex, so to speak.
Ranni wanted Messmer's cock.

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>>683682109
Bayle was super cool tho

>>683699683
Older games were MADE by smarter people, yes. When your credits are filled with pajeets you know the gameplay is going to suffer

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>>683699437
The disconnect with the main game bothers me the most.
Was hoping that one of the dlc characters turns out to be one of Gideon's spies and this lets him get access to new moves and tries to claim Miquella's rune for himself.
Ranni, I would think, would be extremely interested in the land of shadow and what Miquella is doing. They had a common goal in killing Radahn but after that they are clearly rival empyreans. How is the age of stars supposed to coexist with the age of compassion if they aren't in conflict?

>>683699985
concession accepted

>>683683684
Considering your deaths are canon you'd think they'd do the opposite and acknowledge your return more often.

>>683700226
Sorry, you already lost.

>>683681078
Malenia was cool because she was a random extremely difficult boss in a game where bosses were usually pretty lukewarm besides the standard "walls of gitgud" like Margit
DLC decided to just add like 10 Malenias and call it a day, cheapening the idea of having her as a superboss in the first place

>>683700457
only the final boss is harder than malenia though...?

>>683700202
idk you sound extremely full of shit

>>683700215
>Pic
Just imagine if already doing an ending before the dlc affected the Miquella/Radahn battle so it actually feels like a big climax and clash of aspiring orders.

>>683699667
The disgust in Freya and Ledas voices is incredibly unsettling. Something tells me they knew what was up. Miquella is an adult with a child's mind at the end of the day. He might easily have childish adult wants. Ridiculous indulgences.

Regardless, if he truly was using others blood to build a Haligtree, mere indulgence on any level sexually is rather "missing the point"... he's committing blood libel. That's a little bit worse than a niggling sexual reason. I think Radahn is most likely a device to commit to the libel really. He's probably just a big bro to Miq, but who gives a shit? He's a vampire by proxy.
Plus the heart stolen shit is misleading towards his intentions. A brotherly love is not one where your "heart is stolen". A non-platonic love or desire is generally the sort to inspire such phrases.
But given the libel, I think there's bigger concerns than "did they want to fuck". Like "how many people were they going to slaughter for their objectives?"

Plus there's the St Trina issue. St Trina is more the gentle passive (asexual) persuasive side of Miq. Miq's other side is more active (sexual) and seeks active engagement with Radahn. Sorta infers things ay?
St Trina is a nice trick. She looks like she personifies sexual nature or something, but I'm not so sure because she's stagnant and doesn't move and merely wisps people into death (cessation of sex).
Sex is more about life and the remaining miq is about gaining life, an erdree.

An especially hard erdtree Radahn. :^)

>>683701091
0 sexuality involved troonster.

>>683697395
The problem is that the boss design when you play with spirit ashes is so bad and easy that it makes DS2 look like Sekiro.

>>683698396
Malenia's retarded difficulty got Elden Ring a lot of publicity so From Software is never going to back down.

>>683701249
I'm sorry but the symbolism is there and speaks for itself.
Sex is life and Miq purged merely his body, not life.
Trina, on the other hand is the cessation of life and sex. Miq purged that side of him. So that implies he's super duper horny. Just not merely with flesh. His idea of sex is more ethereal and more like the combination of souls. That goes beyond mere sex. That's a complete singularity formed with Radahn.
What a perverted old man.

At least Messmer would be honest about what he wants and wouldn't purge the body.
In fact he'd even put a blindfold on for kinks.

>>683701271
Sounds like a (you) problem.

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>Melina:"So who has the prettier face out of us siblings, Tarnished?"
>Melina:"Choose wisely or there may be consequences."

>>683701723
No sexuality involved though troondawg

>>683701249
A lot of sexual things in these games are symbolic. Fia is definitely a prostitute for example but they don't depict that.

>>683702156
I don't know, coming together as one being is textbook sex.
I think you should have sex, you clearly don't understand.

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Scadu fragments were a dumb idea, but they would have at least been tolerable if there were more fragments than you needed to hit max, like with Golden Seeds. But there being exactly 50 is just pure silliness. Also unlike Sekiro, where the system actually worked, most of them are just found on the ground instead of rewards from bosses.

>>683702175
>nonsequitur
Kek

>>683702316
>>nonsequitur
Excuse me?

>>683702175
Nup. Unless she has a degree in hardcore prostitution it's invalid evidence in this often surrealist story here. We only take literal. No metaphors. No personification. No inferences. Just bureaucratic story telling in this brave new world of brainlets.

>>683702293
No sexuality involved though troonerati

>>683691932
Shut the fuck up, before we had actual reasons why his shit failed (got kidnapped so his tree lost its food source, was missing the final ingredient for the needles but the needles do work in what they're meant to do, stars being held in place, couldn't help his followers and sister since he was trapped in the cocoon), saying that "none of the shit he did in the base game matters at all because uhh he's cursed or something" is not only an ad hoc justification for From's failure to do anything meaningful with his existing storylines (the Haligtree doesn't get mentioned once), it completely ignores the fact that he was hyper obsessed with the Land of Shadows/date rape Radahn plot which is extremely convoluted, was longer running than any other plot he had, and actually worked. Sick of this stupid tiktok theory that falls apart under basic scrutiny being passed as actual lore

>>683702301
You got enough fragments to hit the soft cap level just by following the remembrance bosses. The scaling is front load post patch. The game simply reward the ones who love to explore.
>but i need all of them to beat the game!
no you don't

>>683702347
>claims gay troon fantasies about mike are real
>"no"
>starts talking about fia
lol

>>683681078
Nothing, it's goated.

>>683702558
Sounds like you didnt understand the story.

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>>683702584
Don't care, beat Radahn at 15 because I couldn't be assed to look up a guide but I still think it'd be better to make getting 20 more reasonable.

>>683702715
Getting 20 is reasonable if you play the game.

>>683701660
she's not even that hard she just has the heal on hit gimmick that drags the fight out if you try and just block everything she's doing, walk in with a greatshield and a weapon that can damage her faster than she can get hp back and it's not even a contest

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>snake clearly inserting inside Messmer
>all the fanart show him fucking women or topping

Some people are just clueless about the obvious shit in front of him.
Miquella's not the only one indulging and Messmer reminds me more of Lilith.
It's not like Rykard becoming the snake.
The snake coils around him, like it's consuming prey.

It's pretty obvious what that implies. He clearly has fucked up indulgences himself. He let's the snake consume him to merely use and control it's power.
It's like fucking old barons for allegiances really.

>>683702485
No white hands made this post, pajeet-y.

I'll bet that anon denies Edward II fucked his favourites too. That man was a complete bottom.

>>683688946
> The revelation at the end shows that Malenia release the scarlet rot not because of pride (so that she can remain undefeated) but because of duty, to finish the important mission given to her by her brother.

I didn’t feel like that was a revelation at all. For what possible reason could the blade of Miquella be challenging Radahn to a fight other than that Miquella commanded her to? That’s what I thought before the DLC, it’s just now it’s confirmed and with the added context that he wanted radahn for a lord.

Also thematically Radahn is just a lame pick. He’s got good qualifications on paper but memetically, in his vibes, and story placement, he’s just a meathead. Gravity sorcery is lame, he’s closely associated with the mid game, and his whole visual motif is intentionally aping a different, superior warrior. Absolutely nothing about him says “final boss.”

>>683703151
>getting upset
Typical.

>>683702876
Not really. Maybe it'd be better if Fromsoft rewarded exploration more so there was an incentive to do it other than maybe finding a scadu fragment.

>>683681078
Didn't read the thread but looking back now after playing through twice the only fun I had was being under leveled and killing the blackgaol knight using a level 15 short spear. Scadoo collecting is antifun and you need those unlike seeds and flasks which you don't really need to collect to have fun. But I didn't like most of DS3 DLC either so I should have expected disappointment and where the fuck was Melina and Ranni in the DLC?

>>683703291
You are literally astroturfing now.
Buy an ad.

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>>683700839
The ultimate kino would be for Ranni to retort to Miquella's entrance in phase 2 with a line about squashing compassion for the sake of fear, doubt and loneliness.

>>683703375
a good news is that they also give you cool weapons and new armor sets!

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>>683688946
>The revelation at the end shows that Malenia release the scarlet rot not because of pride (so that she can remain undefeated) but because of duty

Nah, it doesn't. I'll trust the words of Malenia's actual discarded pride, thank you. It also makes Malenia's failure even worse. And it also reveals that Miquella was there but let Finlay drag Malenia home alone instead of helping his own sister LOL

>>683703574
Miquella was too busy conditioning new pupils to care about malenia. She failed to kill radahn so he didnt care about her anymore.

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>>683703561
Hahaha, good one anon. But this is Elden Ring, where even in the DLC there's a bunch of armor and weapons that need to be farmed at sub-5% drop rates because they NEEDED to put a mushroom or piece of string in that hidden nook instead of a weapon or piece of armor.

>>683703775
The DLC fucking drowns you in new equipment, your complaint is poorly conceived.

>>683703925
but the epic meme i stole from reddit couldn't be wrong...You are lying!

>>683703574
Huh? You know Malenia discarding her pride proves the fight wasn't over pride right?

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>>683681078
malenia not being my wife that's what

>>683696853
Why do people keep portraying Miquella as some super evil mastermind? All demi gods in the game (yes even Godrick) though flawed have heroic elements to them. Kindly Miquella is indeed kind, tried to cure his sister, made the haligtree for the abandoned,... Every action he took is to build a kinder world. Miquella doesn't even seem to want to be a god. When you listen to his memory, he sounded almost like he was about to cry when he said he is going to become a god. Miquella knows godhood is a cage, yet he embraces it. Of course the tragic element of his character is that all of his plans failed.
On another note, Miquella chose Radahn to be his consort instead of his sister or Godwyn is because
1. The lord is the symbol for the god and for the new age. Miquella consider his and his sister's afflicted bodies to be part of the cruelty of the world. So he probably wants a healthy lord to be the champion of his new age
2. Miquella seeks to distant himself from the old order of Marika. And Godwyn is the poster child of her age, she shattered the elden ring after his death after all. So no way Miquella would choose Godwyn.

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>paint me like one of your french demi-gods

>>683704215
Because it’s a meme (in the academic sense of the word) on /v/ to boil any theme, opinion or character down to good or shit, because further discussion implies that you care, and caring is gay.

>>683681078
Skibidi fragments. If you don't have a lot, the bosses are brutal and frustrating. If you've found lots, the bosses are fun and/or too weak for your god tarnished.
Making it endgame content was a mistake.

>>683704215
Because he's a fucking homo retard who abandoned his followers to rot in a dead tree for the lols (in addition they're blowing themselves up because he didn't bother to tell them where he's going or what his plan is btw), left his sister for dead after she failed to kill his crush, and seemingly didn't care about anything besides getting Radahn to be his consort

>>683700839
>Consort of rotten whore
>Consort of gold cuck
>Consort of literal shit eating
>Lord of Frenzy Flame
>Consort of the stars

>>683704215
Because he was.

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>>683703925
>>683704032
Why do we need to farm Ascetics Set, Black Knight Set, Common Soldier Set, Divine Beast Set, Divine Bird Set, Fire Knight Set, Horned Warrior Set, Messmer Soldier Set, Shadow Militiaman Set, Fire Knight's Shortsword, Fire Knight's Greatsword, Lizard Greatsword, Horned Warrior's Sword, Horned Warrior's Greatsword, Curseblade's Cirque, Forked-Tongue Hatchet, Messmer Soldier's Axe, Messmer Soldier's Spear, Bloodfiend's Fork, Messmer Soldier Shield, and Sun Realm Shield? Why couldn't they have done the same thing they did with the Gravebird Set and sprinkle them around the world? Why did they NEED to put some flowers or mushrooms in that tiny nook instead of one of these?

>>683704793
Lolpost

>>683704793
You don’t NEED any of that. It’s a fun treat if you get lucky after killing an enemy.

>>683700702
>If 80 IQ people make the games I play and market them towards other 80 IQ people games won't decrease in quality
Yeah well, explain elden ring

>>683704793
my question is why are some alterable cosmetics drop only instead of, i dunno, actually being alterable? or why do some armor pieces have looks that can't be altered with specific pieces of gear?

>>683705145
Because for all the credit I give the game the clothing altering system is fucking indefensibly half baked. My theory is it was gonna be way more robust with dying and capes and everything but they split a whole bunch of them up into unalterable regional variants to pad the main games overworld.

>>683705145
Some gear is too complex to alter yourself, it's why there are 2 different sewing needles explaining the design.
I know you dont actually think when playing so it probably flew over your head.

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>>683704878
>>683704939
That's what I thought.

>>683681078
nothing you guys are just babies

>>683705726
Very based answer

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>>683705145
>Still can't remove Godfrey's scalp from his crown despite the option being there for messmer's helm

>>683705863
It looks like you dont actually think at all kottposter
>>683705938
And?

>>683705891
Why would you samefag such a stupid comment

>>683681078
Nothing, it's great.

>>683681078
Abyssal woods not being fleshed out enough
The fire golems
The recycled dragons
Other than that it's a perfect follow up to a perfect game.

>>683705990
And I want the crown not the fucking mullet

>>683706002
4chan isnt 1 person schizo

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>>683706078
Too bad, so sad.

>THE GAME IS BALANCED AROUND SPIRIT ASHES BRO USES SPIRIT ASHES!!

Ok but why do I have to play summoner? Why can't I THE PLAYER have a cool moveset similar to enemies for once? The only From game that allows players to actually have cool moves that makes them feel cook is Sekiro.

>>683681078
People are finally getting tired of Memezaki's terrible world building and story telling.

>>683705990
I wish I could be as blissfully simple as you, room temperature IQ anon.

>>683706390
You being upset over this shows you have a lower IQ than him. Vidya shouldn't be causing you emotional distress like this.

>>683703273
I think the final battle and Radahn's characterization would have seemed mnore favorable to most people if only they gave Radahn a voice and have him yalk, it would it some sauce, some more reason to care, I dfon't like that he's stoically silent and poker faced.

Imagine Messmer with no spoken lines or Godrick, or Godrfrey, they add so much.

>>683681078
I liked it.

>>683706387
Factually dark souls had a better story. The ds1 cinematic has had more lore in it than any game released after it. Elden ring was one of the largest cases of marketing fraud yet, with fromsoft claiming one of the most popular fiction writers in the world was writing the game for them, which is a complete lie. They put virtually no effort into this game. The opening cinematic is a fucking slideshow

>>683681078
Too hard for zoomers

>>683707289
lolpost

>>683681078
Content bloat. New toys given to the player are useless in PvE because of From's current boss design philosophy.

>>683707435
I beat the dlc with a dlc sword using a dlc ash wearing mostly dlc armor. You must suck at this game.

You can enter shadow keep from the back, but the game won't let you through the back fog gate into the hippo fight if you die the first time

Lazy devs didn't follow through. AI generated ass item descriptions. I think two (messmer and midra) bosses literally ask a zanzibart for forgiveness

No integrity to these games. Best bet for enjoyment is that sometimes the bosses are neat. They mostly fucked that up here too. Still, there's a lot of good to be found


7/10, best game I've ever played

>Miquella
>Radhan
>Malenia
>Mogh
>Haligtree
>Redmanes
>Mohgwyn Dynasty
>Millicent
Rember that everyone included here has had their character, ambitions, goals, purpose, etc completely assassinated and all turned into absolute jokes impossible to take seriously anymore in any way shape or form.

>>683707684
Lol she's still trying.

Does ng+ have a large impact on the dlc?

>>683681078
It's unironically the best DLC for a game ever. Yes, I played Old Hunters, Undead Nightmare, Dark Arisen, Ringed City and Shivering Iles. All top tier. This is better. Just a fact. More work and effort were put into this.

>>683707792
Not really. It's like base game where you dont feel a real impact until ng4.

>>683683848
git gud seething nigger

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> Abyssal Woods shits on its own gimmick by having it be spoonfed to you as clearly as possible before every single lantern encounter
> forges have a "eyy hit them in their weak spot" message before a golem with a giant red stone on their back
> the charmed bum crew and the whole Mexican standoff at the end are great but quest design is still ass
> random ghostflame dragons for no reason, one has more HP than fucking Bayle because he also has 30 AOE guys to "fight" him
> the whole final boss thing is told in the clearest possible way halfway through the DLC
> the whole final boss thing is dogshit and reeks of two dlcs slapped in one, miquella's soul placed in messmer's body or something
> they still don't get how to do areas with enemies which don't end up in you blasting two ulcerated tree spirits through the doorway while they're trying to hit you through the walls
> the entire gimmick is burning the tree again but the tree is black (i liked the snake nazis but it feels bland)
> hornsents are simply completely irredeemable shits with maybe one thing being good is sealing off the entry to Abyssal Woods
> the DLC randomly runs out of budget in several places
> there's no fucking ending lmao
The legacy dungeons are the biggest offender: you start with a grace, there's a door right before you but it's opened from the other side, you walk and walk, you push a lever, go back to the door and open it, go from there, ascend the building, kill the boss with obligatory two phases. I legit had more fun in fucking catacombs, which actually have unique gimmicks for once. It's like they're making the combat hardcore while casualizing the adventure part, while they're great and bad in exactly the opposite things.
Though I must say I loved the ascent to Bayle, the ruins of Rauh, Rellana, the sunflower, Cerulean Coast, the Shaman Village and even Abyssal Woods. But it really feels like they're getting complacent sometimes.

>>683681078
Reddit game

>>683688946
>The revelation at the end shows that Malenia release the scarlet rot not because of pride (so that she can remain undefeated) but because of duty, to finish the important mission given to her by her brother.
aka that Malenia threw away her pride just to get cock for her incel simping incestuous brother.
Sorry, but that's a very pathetic reasoning and it makes me impossible to take Malenia at all anymore. You're genuinely insane if you truly think this makes Malenia look "good".

>>683706579
oh I am laffin

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>>683699437
the gloam eye was the hornsents goddess. the spirals were reaching the gods that she wanted to skin. the hornsent learned from her and melded the shamans

>>683708430
>just to get cock for her incel simping incestuous brother.
Why you do you low Iq brain rot faggots make shit sexual? Just admit you have bias outside of the game affecting your judgemen of the game.

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they will NEVER explain what the Elden Ring is
they will NEVER explain how the Elden Ring works
they will NEVER explain what the Crucible is
they will NEVER explain how the Crucible works
they will NEVER explain what an Empyrean is
they will NEVER explain how an Empyrean works
they will NEVER explain what God or Outer God is
they will NEVER explain how a God or Outer God works
they will NEVER explain what the Gate of Divinity is
they will NEVER explain how the Gate of Divinity works

so the lore is utterly pointless
you can never understand what or how or why anything actually important is happening

>>683708582
Aliens and fungi are the answers dip shit.

>>683708582
All of this is explained in game. If you arent a native english speaker it can be hard to grasp but it's all explained.

>>683708356
Catacombs were probably my favorite parts of the DLC as well. I feel like the exploration in Elden Ring kind of falls flat because you're never in any real danger in the open world, save for getting killed by gravity, and even if you die there's gonna be like five graces in spitting distance of each other anyway. It's not as bad in the DLC but still not great.

>>683708696
youre full of shit

>>683708696
Where is the Gate of Divinity explained?

>>683708732
What do you want me to explain to you eslkun?

>>683681078
Nothing. It's a great game. Stop crying about it already. Whiny bitch.

>>683708785
In elden ring. You can understand how it works by how marika, the hornsent, and mike use it.

>>683708915
Oh, so nowhere then (hint: an explanation is more concrete than an inference, for ESL retards like you).

So giant tombstones/coffins in the area you find St. Trina are space ships and the Horsent came from space?

>>683709032
It's cool if you dont understand. Some things are too complex for some people.
>>683709080
No they are mass graves.

>>683708582
I think Miyazaki really lost sight of having a story with gaps to fill, and instead started giving people small scraps of a map while telling them to imagine what the thing depicts.
It wasn't even remotely this bad in Demon's Souls and Dark Souls.