>new amy bio in Sonic Generations >remove that she loves Sonic>add tarot card bullshit Why sega like this?
I sincerely do not give a shit about changes to sonic character bios
the tarot card retcon is fucking nonsensical and it came out of nowhere>inb4 archie fanfiction
>>692397732It's not Sega, it's him
>>692397732Amysisters...
>>692398269It was exactly one line in the japanese game manual, and for some reason Ian Flynn is obsessed with rewriting Amy into being an "independant" woman, without realising he's completely robbing her of any character she originally had.
>>692398269It's from Sonic Shuffle or some shit
>>692398269Tarot cards were part of her original CD backstory, it was a stereotypical girl thing she was into and reading them is how she came to find sonicThe animators for that one origins short brought it back as a cute reference, but then Sega ran with it like a bunch of retards and turned her into fucking Gambit for no goddamn reason
>>692398301Sega is enabling him.More specifically Takashi Iizuka since he was the one who chose Ian to write Frontiers because he liked the IDW comics.
>>692397732Sega changes/retcons/erases something about Sonic every few years because it's just a mascot IP and these characters only exist to sell more merchandise. Amy is the designed "girl power" character and girls believe in gypsy shit.
Sega, like all other jap publisher, has swallowed the DEI poison.
>>692398358>>692398425>>692398450I guess the actual origin of the tarot cards isn't as retarded as I expected, but holy fuck is it ran into the ground.It's like if they fabricated every opportunity possible to have eggman rizz any woman he approaches because the sonic heroes manual call him a womanizer
>>692398358>majority of fandom finds amy and her sanic obsession annoying Ok, here is an innofensive retcon where she is just an interested friend and a callback to an old little lore detail in her jap bio that never made it to the west.>NOOOO NOW SHE IS EVEN WORSE AND A STRONG WOMANSonic fans don't know what they want.
>>692398742>majority of fandom finds amy and her sanic obsession annoyingSpax3 or DannyThePanda (whichever of these two cuz I forgot) isn't the entire sonic fandom
>>692398462I don't think Iizuka is personally sitting and reading an Ian Flynn comic. He's obviously just saying "We heard that you hate Pontac and Graff's writing, and we heard that a lot of fans are enthusiastic about Ian's comic book writing." So yeah, he's enabled to do whatever the fuck he wants. He's the writer now, to the point where the japanese game script is a localization of Ian's script in Frontiers, so there's not much need to allow him to do things: They put him in charge to do whatever the fuck he wants.
>>692398718You should really pick a better example because that sounds incredible
>>692397732What's the problem? I thought coomers hated her obsession with Sonic because they want Amy to fuck their human self-insert fanfic OC instead
>>692398742>>692398920Who are you quoting?
>>692398301
>>692399025I'm not quoting anyone, newfag
>>692398552and their Company will go down the drain because of it.
>>6923990801) the pursed lips and pufferfish cheek aren;t nearly prominent enough 2) why is he nakedwhat a disappointing 'jak
>a woman's life doesn't revolve entirely around serving a man
>>692398301This is worse than when Robotnik tried defeat Sonic in Sonic 1 in the Spring Yard Zone on South Island with a eggomatic hovercraft with a spike on the bottom by lifting up the floor block-by-block.
>>692397732THE WEST IS FALLINGthis white culture icon, Amy Rose of Sonic the Hedgehog franchise is now being woke DEI SLOP'ifiedWhat will little white boys do when they grow up now without Amy Rose as she has been since the golden age of the trve kvlt 1990s?
>>692400753Why does the idea of a woman loving a man get leftist so upset?
>>692397732girls are not allowed to love boys anymore ,i guess
this-character's-only-characteristic-is-being-a-simp fags win again.
>>692400901I would really prefer if you'd be quiet.
>>692397732>>692398301Yeah, read the OP and it immediately came off as Iian-shit. This dude is hell bent on erasing any trace of Sonamy, which is a ship I've the franchises most true and beloveds ship by many including myself, and if I was ever neutral towards him before, this is whats making me actually say "fuck him". The whole referencing thing, and canonizing everything is mildly annoying, but this I can't take.
>>692397732>says that Classic Sonic looks cuter than she remembers>personally makes food for Sonic at his birthday>still tries to hug on him in cutscenes>but a few cutscenes were changed so this is LE BADOh no, what a travesty.
It’s really heartbreaking to realize, just how many western writers see a woman being in love with a man is a bad trait for her to have.
>>692400915I am physically incapable of seeing other people as anything except things that exist only to serve me.
>>692400901PETAH
>>692398914>I don't think Iizuka is personally sitting and reading an Ian Flynn comicHe literally said so in an interview
>>692401219It's not even that, Ian might just be retarded and trying to generate a Sally expy for Sonic to specifically be in love with.
>>692401032You should learn how to write like a normal person
>>692401258At this point all I can do is groan.
>>692398450>The animators for that one origins short brought it back as a cute referenceTake a guess who wrote the script for that animation, anon.
>>692401414The guy who didn't make the gameplay for Frontiers
>>692397732Amy?Belongs to human men.
>>692397732Why does the west hate loving happy women?
Why'd they give her such a creepy expression?
>you don't understand, I NEED the 12 year old to tell me how much she wants to get her pussy hole fucked.Alright bro
>>692398742something being annoying doesnt mean it should be removed. Its endearing to some people and if the creators thought it should be a part of her personality, then it should stay. Also what the majority of "fandom" wants is impossible to quantify because normal people who don't have an opinion one way or another will not say anything. While insane people who have an agenda will scream about something.
>>692398742The writers for that Sonic Boom show did a better job at giving Amy an actual personality without blatantly removing established aspects of her character.
>>692400753>A Man can't be a raging pussy who is subservient to women.
>>692401343Screw you.
>>692401725They only hate it when they are straight. When a women is obsessed with another women on the same level as Amy/Sonic then they declare it the best thing ever and write how it’s peak fiction.
>>692401848That would require the devs to give a shit about the product they're making and to be competent at their job.
>>692401880LiS was that with a 15 year old girl, only it was with another women so it was the best game ever made ever, at least according to leftists.
>>692401848If it's the same model from Generations, it's pretty lacking as far as quality posing goes.
>>692401574Who do you think suggested bringing back tarot cards as a major part of her character, which ended up being reflected in her gameplay. I'll give you a hint: it was the same guy who suggested connecting the Ancients to Chaos.
>>692401958Seethe bitch
I wouldn't mind if her giving up on annoying Sonic was presented as her growing up. But the way it's presented with the Sonic CD tarot card thing makes it feel like "SHE WAS ALWAYS THIS WAY, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?". Same with her being a totally functional playable character in Superstars, which makes her being a gimped character in Adventure make no sense.
>>692401848it isn't creepy, you're just either soft or gay. >>692401880What a disingenuous comment.
>>692397732Feel the tarot card reading thing would suit Blaze alot more.
>>692402160Anon, it's genuinely okay for Sega to be retardedYou don't need to pin everything on a contracted mid writer who thought it'd be neat to bring back a character's hobby
>>692402289It would suit neither of them better
>>692398301This faggot inserting his headcanon is so much cringe it puts me off from buying the game.
>>692401880faggot
>>692401880I mean when you put it that way, why keep the legacy of the character alive, when that's always going to be hanging over her head?
>>692397732>its another /v/ discovers that most women are bisexual/lesbian episode
>>692402413Same. The guy is Ken Penders minus a pair of balls.
>>692402213Yeah, Amy's whole adventure arc was "I don't need Sonic, I can do this myself"So it makes classic Amy being "part of the crew" and running around beating up badniks with her hammer seem rather silly.Just treat the classic shit as it's own timeline/dimension/whatever and be done with it, it's what SEGA does now anyway.
>>692402328>You don't need to pin everything on a contracted mid writer who thought it'd be neat to bring back a character's hobbyBut its pretty fucking crystal clear that he is the one at the spearhead of all these changes lol. Are you dense, or just blissfully ignorant to his super personalized agenda-vision for the series? No wait. Are you Iian?
>>692402289WhatBlaze is a stuffy no-nonsense princess, she wouldn't dabble in lower class superstition
>>692402328I'm not pinning "everything" on him, you retarded ape, I'm pinning the one thing this topic of conversation is about, because he's the common variable in all of it.It's not like the Jap devs suddenly started giving a shit about a single small line from a 30 year old manual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssltypuap5g
>>692402579Yes anon, I'm whoever that isI really don't get how a person becomes this far gone
>>692401880>Young people can't feel love towards their peers.Clearly you've never dated or even held another person's hand when you were in middle school or high school. Clearly you aren't a parent either for that matter, or a school teacher.Fucking moron.
>>692402413I don't understand how this guy is responsible for like all three sides of the current Sonic fandom canon wars. It always seems to be game purists vs. IDW inclusionaries vs. late Archie fans.But this guy is at the center of ALL OF THOSE now. Yet they attack each other like their victory would result in sort of difference in outcome.
>>692402769you're clearly out of the loop on the topic at hand, so kindly fuck off, your presence is not wanted here
>>692402737Of course they didn't, they suddenly started giving a shit about the thing that started to get included in their products with their green light, and then decided to shove their whole shaft in without thinking about it when it came time to adapt that to gameplayLet me guess, the fat retard's evil mind control machinations are also responsible for her inexplicable poison parry?
>>692397732Amy is gayGet over it
>>692402552What the fuck are you talking about? That's entirely off topic.
>>692402897Most people are naturally out of the loop with the schizophrenic nonsense that came to you in a dream, you gibbering retard ape
>>692402289Blaze, unlike Amy is an intelligent and competent person, so no, it wouldn't suit her more, pleb.
>>692397732Heterosexuality apparently is an insult now.>>692400753>>692401225Bros! This guy's Sonic!
>>692402552Until they find the right man. That's how it always works.
>>692403013I was going to respond to him similarily but figured ignoring it was better
>>692401880What does your pedo fantasy have to do with Sonic?
>>692402964This is a very Jewish post.
>>692402552that's a myth
I didn't mind them bringing back the tarot card thing until they literally gave her like a magical Gambit toolset in Frontiers. What the fuck? If your reasoning for her being into tarot cards is a throwback, then isn't it weird to suddenly imply it isn't a hobby but an actual otherwordly skill set she's had this whole time? Makes no sense retroactively.
Seeing these rewrites and how lame the Shadow part of the story is honestly has put me off the game.Which is a shame because I was looking forward to it.
>>692402936You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Flynn gives tons of creative suggestions to Sonic Team, and they decide to give said suggestions the green light or not. Amy's gameplay focused around tarot cards because Flynn suggested it for her character. The tarot card shit pops up almost everywhere else because he's the one writing almost everything else.
>>692403535He gives too many "suggestions".
>>692397732Sonaze is back on the table boys!
>>692403535Show one singular panel of her fighting with magic tarot cards in the comic he wrote whose artists designed those cards
That's weird.I felt like Frontiers was trying to subtly break the unspoken Amy and Sonic relationship up, by saying she wants to "share her love with the world", but it at least seemed to acknowledge she had a thing for Sonic prior.This bio feels like it wants you to forget Amy was ever even wild for Sonic in the first place.
692403063fuck off>>692402936>theyits Iian instigating the Amy Rose revisionism. Not SEGA. They're the fucking publisher, not the writers. Iizuka is the one allowing Iian to do what he wants, for whatever "talent" he sees in him. Again, you're way out of the loop on the subject and just trolling at this point.
>>692403794Everyone with a functioning brain understands that Ian is trying to make Amy Rose a lesbian. The dude literally has a fetish for it.
>>692403794You are a retarded schizo niggerIf you weren't you wouldn't be deflecting
I never liked schizo yandere amy as a character but it was still better than the fucking nothing they replaced it withand really even the fucking nothing wouldn't be worth complaining about so much if they took it as a chance to actually trim the damn fat of this franchise but they're really goddamn insistent on making amy a core member of the crew (along with rouge???) because it ticks some inclusivity checkbox I fucking guess
What's with the posts making the leap from>They are pretending Amy wasn't crazy for Sonicto>Amy is a lesbianSeems like a weird assumption. I feel like it's more likely they would just be trying to remove any relationship teasing at all, like they did with Rouge.
>>692404021>Seems like a weird assumption.Ian is an american writer in the current age. That's honestly a safe bet.
>>692401151I don't do shipping bullshit, but I forget this guy worked on Archie and probably had a literal hard-on for Sally. I would not be surprised if he's doing this not because he wants to make Amy some empowering role model, but because he can't ship Sally and Sonic anymore. I'm all for Amy being playable in more games, but don't attach a personal vendetta or agenda on it, just make her playable. Same with Peach.It's funny how Dixie Kong solved this problem almost thirty years ago; she just came along to help Diddy save DK and that was it.
>>692404021Ian Flynn is what some would call a "Trapdoor Feminist" with a lesbian fetish. It reflects HEAVILY in his writing. The guy is a certified creep.
>>692403686Why? Ian's not even in charge of the comic anymore, iirc.This tarot card stuff is part of a revision to the character that started a couple years or so ago, around the same time Ian started gaining more influence, when they put together a lore team, etc.
>>692404114I see it the other way around. He's made it very clear he wants Tangle and Whisper to be a lesbian couple. So wouldn't we know already if he wanted Amy to be a lesbian? And wouldn't we know which character he was trying to force her with?
Shadow and Rouge should hook up already.
>>692404192That doesn't really connect the dots to Amy specifically though.
>>692404257Rouge doesn't even hang out with Shadow anymore according to Prime and Dream Team.
>>692398358You realize Ian isn't they only one who makes Sonic games right?
>>692404307If you read the IDW Comics and see where nearly all of the female characters are written, you'll see what I'm talking about. He's clearly making Amy uninterested in guys. "I want to spread my love to the world." is a very clear signal. She only loved Sonic.
>>692403916Yeah whatever crackerfaggot, go fuck yourself. >>692404160>she just came along to help Diddy save DK and that was it.Sometimes the easiest solution is the most elusive one. But even then, thats only applicable here if they're actually planing on giving her more actively engaging roles in the games moving forward. If not, its just revisionism due to personal taste, which is equally bad.
>>692404206The person who took over as writer is the one who literally designed the cards
>>692404389Yeah. Makes me sad. As shit as 06 was, I really liked that sweet and tender moment of her expressing she'd stick with him no matter who or what went up against him.
>>692398219Same. I do think it's stupid, though.Wild that 4chan flipped from sucking Ian off to hating him religiously. I guess Sonicfags really can't operate in anything but extremes.>>692398301It's both, depending on context. Cut it out with this one-or-the-other shit.
>>692404461You realize Ian is basically a creative ambassador from the US for these Japanese retards at SEGA, right? His "suggestions" carry heavy weight.
>>692398301>It's not Sega
>>692404510I know what you're talking about and there's still a huge leap from >Amy is now a sexless "badass" and always has beento>Amy wants to get with (UNSPECIFIED FEMALE CHARACTER)
>>692397732But Amy's entire character motivation revolves around her being in love with Sonic. You can't just remove that.
>>692404591Such heavy weight that they're still writing the japanese scripts to show Amy's love for Sonic
>>692404665You're either baiting me or you're just a dimwit who can't see an obvious pattern. This shit happened to Sally during his Archie run. Sally Acorn went from loving Sonic to being romantically involved with a feminine AI.
>>692404697They have been trying to pretend she has always been Boom Amy (without the witty writing) for a long while now. From what I remember in Lego Dimensions she just acts exactly like Boom Amy even though it's supposed to be a crossover between Lego and modern Sonic.
>>692398301>It's not SegaAnon, looking on how pozzed ATLU has become I don't think you can make a good argument on that regard.
>>692397732Sega is flipping.
>>692404719The Western Market is far larger and culturally more relevant than the Japanese one when it comes to spreading Sonic's IP, Anon, don't act stupid to die on this hill defending Ian.
>>692404230Its called pattern recognition and drawing conclusions from existing knowledge, anon. He's done it no small number of times before and has a hate-boner for Sonamy, so on top of undoing it, this will likely be his next phase. Would you sleep on train tracks just because you've never been hit by one before?
>>692404929*or die on this hillThis is ridiculous, clearly Ian has far more sway than you people are trying to gaslight the rest of us into believing.
>>692404791Bro, you haven't even pointed me to where your bread crumb trail starts, why do you assume I'm baiting you just because I'm not playing along?Honestly, I am not happy with Ian or the direction they are taking Amy. It would probably only take a few pieces of evidence to convince me Ian is trying to turn Amy into a lesbian.But just telling me he's tried to do this before with different characters isn't really evidence, it's more like preemptive concern he may eventually start trying to do this.
>>692404614God this is so cringe inducing.
stop feeding the troll
People are schizo about Ian, but I'll never forget that one of his earliest fanfics had Rouge's mentor figure tease her for having big tits and suggest she's best off as a housewife with the way she acts.
>>692405052Listen, man, you're a fucking moron, let's just leave it at that. If you're this incapable of recognizing patterns of behavior, then I'm basically talking to a glorified chatbot.
>>692405028So why aren't people using this "pattern recognition" to do the same thing with Rouge? They went out of their way to sink her ship with Knuckles AND Shadow recently.
>>692404531And? She was hired to help design a product for Sega to sell. She's not the one who pitched the concept in the first place.
>>692405173>genuine sexist discovers lesbian porn and suddenly becomes a feminist a tale as old as lesbian porn
Where is the lesbian thing coming from? One of the writers being a yurifag isn't an answer.
>>692397732So that Amyfags stop feeling like cucks i guess.
>>692405236Give it time, they heavily desexualized her as it is, so I wouldn't put it past Ian to make her a dyke as well.
>>692404591He isn't the one who has the final say on anything. The directors and producers still have to give the ok for all this. Frontiers had two other story writers and the gameplay itself, where Amy has spontaneous tarot card powers, has nothing to do with Ian
>>692404791>>692405028If you use pattern recognition, then by that logic Amy is safe.Ian literally isn't allowed to make Whisper and Tangle lesbians, even if he really wants to. He's flat out said it.Amy probably even has even stronger mandates on her as a main focus of marketing.
>>692405236>recentlyShe's always been a flirt with those two, and even Sonic and Tails at times, but mostly Shadow and Knuckles due to her occupation as a GUN agent and fascination with jewels/the Emeralds that puts her at odds with Knuckles at times. You are coming off as a new-age fan that doesn't know his shit, anon.
>>692405373Western companies and creatives have literally forced Japanese game companies to HEAVILY censor their games. Every. Single. Time.
>>692405301I wouldn't call him sexist as much as really conservative about female archetypes. If you aren't subverting what's typically associated with woman, said woman is inherently objectified and less interesting/worthwhile. It's why he doesn't like Rouge much and keeps trying to make Amy an all-rounder instead of a goofy brat.
>>692405325Genuine mental illness
>>692405453What?I meant recently as in, recently they don't have her be flirtatious anymore.Which would imply she used to be. I'm literally agreeing with you.
>>692405445it seems to be the Male Writer of Women's goal in life to establish lesbians for some fucking reasonas a /u/ non-enjoyer, i do not understand it whatsoever
>>692405445Brother, you're not paying attention to the heavy censorship and DEI/BRIDGE shit that is influencing Japanese media companies right now due to Western influence. I'm telling you, SEGA will cave and this shit will only get worse. It's a guarantee. Japanese people are weak-willed people and will bend over backwards for American money because they're generally dumber than they're letting on.
>>692405747The traits of the characters being toned down until they are bland and uninteresting, and Amy becoming a lesbian, are two totally different concerns.
>>692405470Sure dude, the big bad western man twisted poor Iizuka-san and Kishimoto-san's arms and forced them to shove tarot cards into everything
>>692405445>well they aren't kissing and scissoring on screen so they aren't lesbian :^)Quit being obtuse anon. Whatever quote you're referencing would have never been said if readers didn't pick up what he was putting down. Its pretty fuckin' obvious he's dancing around the mandate as much as possible by juts having them play footsies under the table.
>>692405608whoops, misread your post
>>692405904>>she isn't kissing and fucking Sonic on screen so she's a lesbian now :^)
>>692405870That's what they literally did and you can deny it all you want, but the reality is, these idiots want American money and American credit like a whore wants dick.
>>692398425Nope, it’s from one of the Sonic Origins Cutscenes, damn I wish I could SHUFFLE cards like that but I always mess them up or drop them
>>692405904It's not obtuse, these are literally two separate decisions. Neutering a character or turning them into a lesbian. One doesn't necessarily lead to the other.
>>692406030Yeah bro, the tarot cards are what drove frontiers' sale numbers.
>>692397732Did this seriously need to be changed? Like why waste the time holy shit. Gonna need a mod asap.
>>692405173I should have saved his fics when I had the chance. Pretty much everything but Other M is gone.
>>692397732The thread can stop here now, Adventure Amy owns
>>692405858Every single female character in Western fiction in the last decade or so have been uglified, censored and reduced to being bi-sexual or lesbian products. When the cycle is complete for Rouge and Amy, you're going to be floored because you're living in denial atm. Don't say we didn't warm you.
>>692406243This really highlights how recent this change is.
>>692406201You're being disingenuous and are deliberately missing the bigger picture to try to make people angry. That's rather childish.
>>692401848Which is worse? Angry Peach or Creepy Amy?
>>692406307So why ISN'T Rouge on a lesbian watch list? Why is this concern just with Amy?
>>692406402I don't think creepy Amy is on purpose, just tone deaf.Ugly Peach was verifiably a deliberate change.
>>692406427Give the slower people a chance to catch up. Rouge isn't far behind.
>>692397732Sonic got too many female animal characters anyways, every time there's new animal character it's a chick.
>>692406284I liked her in most of the games you're saying went too far. Autists are just really sensitive. Nobody cares that Vector called Rouge a whore and told Shadow to kill himself if his creation led to a tragedy.
>>692406491They started burning Rouge's bridges with Knuckles and Shadow was earlier though.
>>692406402I'd prefer if classically feminine female characters were NOT turned into dykes.
>>692406427They're agenda is to hate Ian and blame him for everything.
>>692406243I feel like this is the image people should be reposting, not the character bio in OP's image. This leaves a lot less to interpretation and makes their intent very blatant.
>>692406427you're responding to somebody who argues "Two More Weeks Until It All Irreparably Dies Forever" no matter what the fucking subject
>>692406427Rouge is probably on the phase-out list
>>692397732They're trying to push that crap of Amy being into mystic shit, despite her never showing interest in any of that crap, EVER. That's also ehy her sob story in Frontiers fucking sucks dick aswell, but that goes for the other fags from that game aswell
>>692406628I can hate Ian without genuinely thinking Amy is going to start kissing Rouge any game now or whatever.
>>692401880If it involves me and her then yes.
>>692406557Like you, people underestimate how stupid the general public has become. I'm going to state this one more time:Rouge isn't far behind, people WILL start to make that connection and I'm sure it's in the backs of the minds of a good minority of fans already, they're just either afraid to say it or in denial.
>>692406564what's it like being the most surface-level human being to ever live
>>692406679They just made her playable in a game (not including skins in mobile games and the like) after she'd been unplayable for over a decade though.
>>692406760What's it like being a castrated feminist reddit-bot with no mind of their own?
>>692406302>i wrote four sentences about the one i like and one sentence about the ones i don'tClassic butthurt comic.>>692406716>They're trying to push that crap of Amy being into mystic shit, despite her never showing interest in any of that crap, EVER. She was a hobbyist tarot reader back in CD and Adventure.
>>692406720Your are not immune to propaganda
I'm starting to think these are yurifags falseflagging to bring the possibility to people's attention. It's literally off topic from the actual concern at hand.
I don't know why people are surprised that Amy is lesbian. Usually women are attracted to other women over guys because women are pretty. You guys wouldn't understand that though
>>692406538Meant for>>692406302
>>692406402Where is this "creepy Amy" exactly >>692406427Sonamy is a bigger part of the franchise than Rouges' flirtatious attitude, and they never really removed the latter entirely, only toned it down, which I personally can somewhat see the logic in for younger audiences, even if I don't see it as harmful one way or the other. But the revisionism of the protagonist and the dynamic with his day one love interest is one motivated by detestable personal interests. Not only that, but you can't do that without entirely rebooting one of the characters, which is whats happening with Amy.
>>692406857i know when i'm showing how free thinking and independent i am, i accuse them of being redditors. losing easy posting access with the recent spam changes was your own 9/11 on the disaster scale, i'm guessing
>>692406864NTA but being a hobbyist is one thing. Have you seen her move set in Frontiers?
>>692406896Thread reeks of pre-planned posting in general.
>>692406896You're just mad that people aren't culturally in-tune with the bullshit that you believe. This is on-topic. The game got censored due to DEI/BRIDGE initiatives.
You don't realize that Tarot is how she connects with Sonic.
>>692406864>two gamesDamn, baklsucker, you're really pushing it
>>692406946>and they never really removed the latter entirely, only toned it down,it's fucking gone in Prime and Dream Team.
>>692406964It's either cards or the hammer for any moveset potential she has, Sonic Battle had to make up a bunch of shit for her. Granted it made up a bunch of shit for everybody, Rouge especially, but Amy's not too far behind her.
>>692398742she's annoying because her VA is terrible and she's a dumbfuckher development should be getting smarter, not completely abandoning her only personality trait
>>692406961You and I are culturally incompatible, let's put a bow on it and not interact again because we are too alien for each other to tolerate, clearly.
>>692407040>it's fucking gone in Prime and Dream Team.qrd?
>>692406538>told Shadow to kill himselfDON'T GO THERE!...yet.
>>692406896Considering the post right below yours, i am inclined to agree.
>>692406992
>>692397732The tarot card thing is much like the chili dog gimmick, it was cute once and is now insufferably stupid and out of place. It provides nothing in terms of gameplay or narrative, it should just stay as "deep lore" forever. Amy loving Sonic was simple but it was at least a character motivation which tied into the narrative of various games.
>>692407130>The angry furry with low self-esteem has entered the thread.
>>692407074nah calling me a, quote >>692406857, castrated feminist reddit-bot and then trying to fly a white flag is limp dick, bump yourself off so you don't start internet fights you don't want to participate in
>>692406992>>692407130Stay on >>>/trash/ you worthless cuckolds.
>>692407076She's just a generic amicable female ally in both of those. She's very present in both stories, more than she has been in a very long time, giving her more opportunity to show of her characters quirks than she's had since like... Battle on the GBA.Yet she's completely sexless and plain in her characterization in both. Hell in Prime they put more emphasis on her being a freedom fighter than being into treasure/gems.
>>692398301Yep.https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1845421010201276425/pu/vid/avc1/1280x592/ky97668m9N4ZNva4.mp4?tag=12
>>692407305I'd understand if Prime wasn't able to do femme fatale shit because of Netflix (all of her designs have a place where a cleavage window would have gone in the concept art, it's very blatant and funny), but the way they handled characters in general was really bad. Except Shadow, of all things.
>>692407405Is this the only soundbite you've got? Vary it up. There's hundreds of hours of him gabbing to pull from.
>>692407405>Overthinking a goofy cartoon trope with children's charactersThis what wrong with people who write Sonic, go write for Netflix or something.
>>692407573He provides an example and you still deny it.Jesus Christ, you people at broken in the mind.
>>692407405I remember some guy here coping and saying this wasn't them essentially having a meta break-up story for Sonic and Amy but I thought it was so obvious.
>>692407573>This evidence doesn't count because there is probably more evidence. How did this work in your head?
>>692407721Because they're either stupid or they are being disingenuous because they believe in what Ian Flynn believes.
>>692407405>Follow through on the thing they set up in SA1 before they completely regressed her to a psycho stalkerOh the horror
>>692407712Sonic should be simple stories with simple likeable characters, it just gets retarded when you try to make it more.
>>692407305Well, I see how that can raise some questions with the direction of the characters, but Rouge has always been a very multidimensional character with more to her than just that. She's the most interesting and versatile female character in the franchise, so personally, I don't see it as much of a loss, even if I would prefer it stay as well. In any case, focusing on other dimensions of a character is less offensive than openly disapproving of a staple fav-favorite dynamic between two of the main cast thats been that way since the dawn of time, in favor of the writers' tunnel-vision headcanon of things that there is a very evident paper trail of.
>>692407808>see evidence five thousand times>spastic posting it whines
>>692398301What is it with these cowboy hat freaks
>>692407948Cowboy hates are the 2024 fedoras
>>692407405How does this guy have so much pull?How did he convince an overseas dev that their evergreen characters that they haven't changed since the Dreamcast era, suddenly need closure and a change in direction?
The problem with Amy is that Sega wants her to be on the same tier as Tails and Knuckles, because you can't have a main character roster that's all boys in the current year, I guess.
>>692408006Sonic autism is a powerful thing.
>>692407996*1980s fedoras
>>692407808You assume that Anon doesn't believe in this shit too and that they aren't just taking for a ride because they get off on playing stupid and by extension, frustrating people.
>>692407870>She's the most interesting and versatile female character in the franchise, so personally, I don't see it as much of a loss,You think it's okay that they made her very plain and uninteresting because she was interesting and versatile before? I don't understand your angle. They didn't replace her flirtatious tendencies and passion for treasure hunting with anything in her recent appearances. They just removed them and left her a generic helpful girl character.
>>692408034sega wants her to be on the same tier as tails and knuckles because she's been around longer than knuckles and conceptually has been around as long as tailsthere isn't any culture war faggotry going on here, that's all you baby
>>692397732Sega gone woke.They ruined my wife.My favorite Amy will always be when she was an annoying retard. Good thing that i have the old games and Sega wont get my money.
>>692408034I feel more like they might be more convinced they can do it with "classic" characters rather than anyone from the Adventure/Adventure 2/Heroes Roster.
>>692408145*taking you for a ride
>>692408006Nobody gives a shit about Amy's character.
>>692408173Fair justice after decades of you shitting on us Sally fans. Now it's your turn to suffer.
>>692407716>>692407808>So fucking mindbroken that he's jumping at shadows and samefagging, screeching at DA ENEMYIan's a hack fraud who mishandles the cast, Amy and Eggman worst of all. That has nothing to do with the point I'm making. Get a fucking grip.
>>692408170I mean Vector is old and shit too, I don't know why you're using this trivia as your criteria for character significance.
>>692407405Why cant she be super passionate about loving Sonic and share her kindness with the world? Wasnt she already doing that in Adventure with the robot or whatever?
>>692404872Who was the yakuza faggot that actually said "we don't let westerners influence us!!"
>>692408249She just there to be the girl and that's fine, these children's games at least Mario understands that.
>>692402553That watermark is gay so I removed it
>>692408006the only influence he has on the japanese writing is bringing back her tarot cards. my understanding of things is shes still very much attracted to Sonic as usual. the only victims of his revisionism are the west
>>692408249You're not wrong. The only thing people really like Amy for is shipping.Which they removed.So uh... i guess they REALLY won't give a shit now.
>>692408249>Bro why do you care?>No one cares about this character.>This franchise is just for kids.>Go outside and touch grass.>Have sex, Incel.Have anymore to add?
>>692406243The fact that I can tell which is which based on the graphics alone is telling. Weren't remakes supposed to look better, not worse? It's not the image quality either.
>>692408170nta but I don't see what you're trying to prove here
>>692408278vector is old as shit too but the only playable or even up-front role he ever had in any classical games was knuckles' chaotix, a sound test character of no import later reused for a 32X roster pad-out is kinda not on the par of driving sonic CD's plot in a small way
>>692397732>remove that she loves SonicWhy of course, everyone knows she loves human males.
>>692408328Thanks, brother, I will cherish this. Watermarks have always been cancer.
>>692404021>>692404230>>692404307Ian already confirmed that if he was still at Archie, he would've made Sally a lesbian dating Nicole. Pulling up the lesbian card has always been Ian's trump card to defend himself, I really wouldn't put it past him to do the same with Amy.
>>692408338The voice clip literally has him talking about her characterization in Frontiers as if he controlled it.I mean, maybe he's bullshitting to sound more important. But the implication is that he consciously attempted to break Sonic and Amy up.
>>692408249>>692408316>>692408363>I've never cared about her so nobody else must, either. You are the worst type of people
>>692408421she's a legacy character and hasn't been useful as a damsel since her debut appearance and she's lambasted for being obsessed with sonic pretty much every time she appears, there is no deeper point made here and there is no deeper meaning behind a newer comic writer wanting to move away from a characterization found annoying or even forced by most players
>>692408364I'm saying nobody at Sonic Team cares about Amy's character. But also yes, nobody in the fanbase cared about Amy's character either, not since sa2
>>692408428He was playable before Amy was.Again, not understanding your point.
>>692407405WHAT A FUCKING FAGGOT HOLY SHIT
>>692408520The entire point of how she was portrayed in the late 90s and 00s was a subversion of both damsels like Peach and "badass action girls". You can tone down things you think are annoying without neutering the character.
>>692408483I wouldn't ether but I don't even know who they would ship her with. Right now she seems safe.
>>692408517Sonic should just be simple game about fighting Eggman, the 2D games understood that even Adventure but it got kinda retarded with the plot but Sonic games shouldn't worry about personality and writing, it should just be ''Sonic we gotta stop Eggman'' ''Alright!''
>>692408553Why does that give SEGA and Ian a pass to write these characters poorly then?
>>692408649>You can tone down things you think are annoying without neutering the character.so then i don't understand how toning down her obsession with sonic into a fierce admiration is at all contradictory with anything you're saying, because "neutering the character" didn't happen
>>692408249I do you fucking retard
>>692405236Because Ian never gave a shit about Rouge. If it was up to him he'd get rid of her entirely, he even said on one of his podcasts that he created Tangle and Whisper that there weren't enough "strong" female characters to his liking.
>>692408728Pay attention to the posts I'm replying to
It's funny to me that Superstars was such a sleeper that the yurifags aren't even using it for yuri shipping. When it's pretty much the only time Amy has had chemistry with another female character (Bossing around Cream in Heroes doesn't count).
>>692408483Wow, another Anon that is actually paying attention and has a working memory. You have honestly surprised me.
>>692408698shut up
>>692407405if this doesnt make you give up on the sonic franchise i don't know what will
>>692397732>tarot card bullshitAmy in Persona 6 confirmed
>>692408483I don't think Sega would allow Amy to like anyone but Sonic.
>>692408821Based that they are making her more prominent despite his wishes then.
>>692408852superstars was asleep, not a sleeper
>>692408754Nta but they definitely neutered her character. She was a shit annoying character since heroes, but frontiers' just made her a nothing character
>>692408604Playability isn't the issueAmy is a 'core' character from the classic era. Chaotix doesn't really "fit" with the rest of current ideya of "Classic" Sonic. Cd, however, is.
>>692408824The Anon that doesn't want Amy to be either censored or changed? You came off as purely antagonistically dismissive, I apologize if I misjudged.
>>692408941bro have you fucking red this thread? OFCOURSE THEY ARE.
>>692408821i can kinda appreciate wanting to scrub rouge out of later entries because she really doesn't add anything outside of SA2's context where the implication is pretty heavy she's a GUN spy keeping an eye on eggman and project shadow
>>692408754She's completely and utterly boring now.You're focused on the fact that she still likes Sonic instead of the fact that the traits born from or expressed because of this (impulsive, passionate, reckless, dedicated, childish) are pretty much gone. The character doesn't really have anything anymore. Instead of using the traits in a less annoying context, they stopped expressing the traits. She is an unobstructive fusion of the cliches she subverted in the first place now. That's pretty shit.
>>692409021>sure she was flaming dogshit before but now she's NOTHINGgoodthat's better than flaming dogshit>>692409070some /sthg/ nigger concern-trolling about turning amy into a lesbian is not proof of anything
>>692408821>There's more use of female animal characters in Sonic than male.They only ever use Sonic, Shadow, Tails and Knuckles pretty much say fuck everyone else.Meanwhile those comics full of fucking women.
>>692409032She was not a core character that early, so using historical context to try and validate her significance seems fruitless.I mean obviously, yeah, she's one of the big characters now. But reminding us that she used to be less important than Vector isn't really helpful to the point your are making.
>>692408821>If it was up to him he'd get rid of her entirely>he created Tangle and Whisper that there weren't enough "strong" female characters to his liking.You realize these are contradictory statements right?
>>692409070They aren't listening to their pattern recognizing instincts or have simply chose to ignore it because they agree with Ian's politics.
>>692397732Amy being in love with Sonic was the most boring aspect of her character. It was funny the first few games after awhile I stopped caring.
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>>692409257i like rouge too but she adds nothing in most of her appearances, think with your big head
>>692409167>good>that's better than flaming dogshitOnly if they get rid of her.If they are going to keep marketing her so hard, I'd argue it's worse.
So was OP self-inserting into Amy as a gay man, or self-inserting into Amy as a woman? Call it.
>>692409073You want to scrub her away because she's "too sexy" or some other bullshit like it.
>>692409274This. It would be much more interesting to see her have a romance with another female character instead. Clingy girl trope has been overdone
>>692409308Does it bum you out that she's getting more of a push now then?
>>692409070I could see nu-Sega making Amy not like anybody. But she's not gonna turn into a lesbo, if she's gonna like someone it's going to be Sonic.
>>692409329yeah actually fuck it sure i'm every rainbow-haired strawman argument in your head given flesh and bloodit's me. i'm the guy. it's literally me. i want to take away your ability to cum
Have Blaze (or someone) develop a crush on Sonic and approach him in a more tactful way. He's too fast so it doesn't really work, but it works better than anything Amy tried, which Amy sees and she gets pissed off about it. If you really want her new bend to be "strong, independent" then make it entertaining by having her over-correct but still very obviously like Sonic and care when someone else is trying to grab his emeralds.
>>692409274>Amy being in love with Sonic was the most boring aspect of her character.Counterpoint:It was the only aspect of her character.
>>692409453Why does Sonic need a girl? he's fine solo.
>>692409453>Have Blaze (or someone) develop a crush on Sonicbro play rush and rush adventure
>>692409506He doesn't, I never said Sonic should reciprocate either.
do think Sega pays Ian enough to be the franchise's latest boogieman
>>692398301>>692398462>>692408006Why does Sonic Team not write their own damn stories? Why are they letting some overseas whitoid take the reigns for the story in sonic? So stupid.
>>692409308that doesn't mean that they shoulkd cut her out of the series, is what you implied. all because you don't like her, doesn't mean she should go away. this reminds me of the normie fag on youtube wanting to redesign sonic as a playdough gumby abomination and expecting people to like it. it doesn't work that way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cV2Yfl-QQg&
>>692408698Making appealing characters with personality traits makes them more relatable and makes fans wish to stick to the game world, which would result in a more attached and invested fanbase.Making Sonic a Mario clone is just soulless and all-in-all:Lame as fuck.
>>692397732is she still 10 years old in this?
>>692409234>Taking it personally that she is about as pertinent to Sonic CD as Tails was to Sonic 2>Point was about cast status and that Sega isn't really pooling Chaotix with the 'classic' roster and they've effectively been completely reintroduced as part of the 'modern' cast>Which itself goes back to Sonic Team's weird paranoia about appeasing people that don't even like Sonic games whining about muh Sonic's Friends
>>692409412No, more like you're just a lame and boring asshole.
>>692409590Sonic was fine being that for years and nothing wrong with it, kids can project their own ideas on the characters if they do the Mario thing which might be better.
>>692409559Because this guy was fired or something
>>692409551No.I'm tired of autists going back and forth on how every problem is one person's fault. It's so frustrating. You couldn't breathe a word of criticism on here 5 years ago, and now you can't say anything positive.
>>692409391considering she's getting more of a push in a game where she was already present to begin with (generations) no why would it bum me out
>>692408006When the franchise was at its lowest point in 2009-10, people started looking at the archie comics and saw that other, older characters were being used, and established characters were being used as well. Needless to say, this went on for a few years and Ian, who was behind the writing at the time was put on a pedestal by the secondary fans and the outsiders who knew no better. Top that with those horrible writers from the Happy Tree Friends who never touch a Sonic game in their lives (alongside Ian but I digress) and Ian's 'writing' won a lot of people over.This also put another misconception that Sonic games would get better if Ian Flynn was writing the scripts, when the issue was always the gameplay, which is still shitty to this day. Good writing, if you can call it that doesn't mean shit if the gameplay is busted. Just like Tyson's shitty animated shorts didn't save Mania, it was the gameplay that stood out. Redesigning the characters for the movies doesn't mean shit if the games aren't good. It's the same thing with Ian, his writing isn't good but people were convinced that Sonic was saved with it, and that's clearly not the case.tl;dr secondaries and tertiaries care about everything but gameplay, Ian being THE secondary of the franchise.
You think the reason she not in the movies is because the writers don't know what to do with her and she adds nothing?
>>692409569anon "she shouldn't show up unless she actually has a fucking reason to" is not the same thing as "remove her from the series forever reeeeeee i hate everybody who likes her *shits myself*"
>>692409832>by the secondary fans and the outsiders who knew no better.The entire comics fanbase was jerking him off until the mid-10s and his comics didn't start to seriously deteriorate until around 2012, don't be a revisionist.
>>692409453Blaze is the closest thing to an actual solo opposite sex relationship they have let Sonic have recently. They essentially went on a date in the IDW comics recently. I don't know if this is just one writer inserting their wishes though.
>>692409234You significantly underestimate her impact on the franchise. She's the only other canon female hedgehog and she's been around since the old Boom days and seeing the old promotional material, probably even longer than that. She's an icon at this point. That's why so many Sonic fans like her and get upset when she's poorly utilized.
>>692409979Ah so that's what it is.Fellas we have what's called a "waifu war" going on here.
>>692409240not him, but Rouge is problematic because she's sexy and has big breastsIan wants strong females like Tangle, who look androgenous
>>692409929People just don't like him now because he's been doing it too long and his newer ideas piss them off but bet just trying to do something new, it happens with all comic writers who on a book for years which insane to think his Sonic run almost as long as like Peter David's Hulk.
>>692398742What the fuck are you talking about, I'm a Nintendo Chad and I have always knew Ami liked SonicRetarded faggot
>>692409672Additional reminder: They made her part of the playable cast of all the Classic games with origins plus.
>>692409240Rouge is feminine. Tangle isn't.
>>692401923sonic boom show got fucked by the shitty games which is shame because the show is too good and funny that i still get a laugh everytime i see a clip of it
>>692409979Looks like it works well, but the thread is about Amy, so if we're trying to give her something to do some jealousy over Blaze's better luck with Sonic is an option.
>>692410023That's less "impact" and more "marketing niche". A niche that wasn't considered very important until recently. Now she seems to automatically get merchandise when they roll out new collabs and deals.
I'm pretty sure both Sega and sonic frontiers both confirmed that sonic has feelings for Amy now and Amy still has feelings for sonic, so I don't think they need Amy to be an obsessed hole anymore.
>>692409308Yeah my favorite character trait is nipple peek. I love Rouge.
>>692397732He could have just toned it down like Boom did, straight up removing it from previous games is retarded.I can't wait for how fucking retarded he campaign will be in the heroes remake. You will have Big chasing Froggie, Cream chasing Cheese, and Amy chasing... LE TAROT CARDS or some shitFuck TRANNYGA, hope they really go bankrupt this time
>>692410097This is also a very lazy way to write off opinions that aren't yours, don't do that shit. Ian always had problems, but they actively got worse over time. He started focusing on appealing to his core fans over making approachable comics for kids, which led to the ridiculous amount of pandering and hype building for stories with really weak structure that we see today. His old work was honestly better.
>>692409929I'm speaking within the context of the games, not the comics. This is what I'm talking about when I mentioned secondaries.
>>692409736Let's just agree to disagree on the importance of getting customers attached and invested to ensure customer loyalty.Why just have the kids be into it when you can easily hook the adults as well? Are you allergic to financial prosperity or something?
>>692409158>>692409167>Completely dips when he'd have to make an actual argument.Pussy.
>>692410278>Sonic Heroes Remakeis it confirmed?
>>692409158"All of her personality traits are gone, here's five adjectives that still describe her current characterization" is blubbering horseshit is probably why.
>>692409819So why not hire someone else within sonic team to write the story? Why not hire another jap?
>>692410226I guess Minnie Mouse didn't make much of an impact with Mickey Mouse and Disney either then, right?
>>692398742Amy is annoying but that's her character. She's annoying. That's just how it is. Sanitizing her doesn't make anyone happy, it just makes people roll their eyes and lose respect for the product.
>>692407187Chilli dongs are just Sonic's favourite food, it doesn't affect the writing of his character and instead just adds some flavour to it. It's not comparable.
>>692410335"Knew no better" seemed to imply an issue with his writing that experience would highlight, not "fans of the games."Either way, a lot of the people saying that stuff a decade ago said it because they thought his writing was genuinely good. Even among game fans it was really uncommon to be critical of Ian on the whole.I never wanted him on game scripts because his dialogue's always been weak, but people feeling different wasn't out of ignorance.
>>692409979I realize this is "fucking nothing" but I'm surprised they were even allowed to slip in the incidental handholding and blush, considering how chaste the series has been recently.
>>692409240Ian WANTS more lesbian cunts in this IP and to remove the ones that don't appeal to his sexual fetish.
>>692410484>Doesn't actually engage.Fag.The only memorable moments we've gotten out of Amy in years were in Mystery, written by a completely different guy. It's a perfect example of how to mitigate annoyance while keeping her character traits expressed, which isn't what recent 3D games are doing.
>>692410749>MysteryMurder. I'm retarded.
>>692410749>Doesn't actually engageNot when you're doing even harder cold reading than Amy does with tarot, no.
>692410842>Can't even be assed to pretend he has an argument beyond "nuh uh."Last (You).
>people actually look at Fast Mickey Mouse and think the franchise should be about grim serious, world ending plots and cosmic god beings and gay romance nonsense
>>692410749>"My darling Sonic is playing the killer! Eeeee! What a great birthday gift!" was pretty funny.
>>692397732They can't just say she loves human men outright so tarot will have to do. Anima and animus and all of that.
>>692410586>Either way, a lot of the people saying that stuff a decade ago said it because they thought his writing was genuinely good.Sonic games were never literary masterpieces, and references and other quippy shit doesn't equate to good writing. A comic writer shouldn't be writing for a game, mainly one with a fair amount of a dialogue. They're two different fields and it shows. Though writing a script that's better than the English script for Colors isn't an accomplishment.
>>692411051sonic's always been kinda shonen adjacent, leaning full on into it with prophecized battles against eggman as super sonic in sonic 3 and sonic adventure, unless we all want to forget the peak that was sonic CD's animated intro
>>692411051Cut out the gay shit and I'll give you a resounding "YES".
>>692407405Not gonna lie I actually totally agree with this. In SA1 her character development was pulling away from being obsessed with Sonic but then they kinda just flanderized her back into it. My biggest regret is that she's not as punchy and energetic as she used to be; she's boring because she doesn't have any of her spunk anymore, at least not in Frontiers. She needed to be a lot more cheery, granted a lot of the cast in Frontiers needed more of that I felt like.
>>692409240I believe that's his point.He's saying he dislikes Rouge so much, he'd rather make up OC femme fatalles than use her more. I don't know if I believe it though. If he has as much push as people say, I don't think he'd let her get bigger and bigger roles in recent games.
unironically pontaff was better
>>692411051Not just people. One of the main writers across the franchise.
>>692411150Why CAN'T Sonic stuff have good writing then? Why excuse Ian's trashy writing just because the Sonic franchise is simple? Why must Sonic enjoyers tolerate low quality?
>>692407187Sonic liking chilli dogs isn't stupidWhat IS stupid is when other characters reference them as if they're the only type of food in their universe
>>692397732Based, Amy sucks and can't love someone she has no relationship with. She just an obsessed groupie.
>>692411284Ian Flynn would NEVER make a femme fattalle he's a goddamn feminist with a fetish for lesbians. He'd sooner commit suicide than do what you think he'd do.
I will always remember Amy and her giant hammer.
>>692411150>references and other quippy shit doesn't equate to good writing.His earlier comics were far less like this. They weren't amazing, but they were solid children's adventure stories.>A comic writer shouldn't be writing for a game, mainly one with a fair amount of a dialogue.Harlan EllisonPaul JenkinsGrant MorrisonKentaro MiuraPeter DavidSteve PurcellFuck, Unleashed was written by an anime writer.
>>692409825If you didn't want to people to call you out for your bullshit you shouldn't have signed on to be the "writer" Ian!
>>692411531I hate Ian so i hate to come to his defense. But Whisper is literally based on Sniper Wolf and has more cleavage than Rouge is usually allowed to have recently. (She's also an annoying crybaby lesbian who never does anything important, but that's another issue)
Just keep in mind it's really christ cucks doing this. They are the ones who believe "no sex outside of reproduction" sure nowadays they pretend to like gay people but it's still same old christ cucks causing trouble.
>>692411051I mean, people here adore Dragon Ball's "serious" stories and that series started with a monkey boy going on a journey with a girl named after underwear. If Dragon Ball can get away with being edgy and serious, why can't Sonic?
>>692411828>has more cleavage than Rouge is usually allowed to have recently.This was done by a female artist, and her boobs were small outside of issues drawn by the resident horny guy.
>>692411831This!Next sunday, I wont go to the mass
>>692411831I feel like Rouge would have lost her boobage way before the Netflix show is this was the main factor in this particular franchise though.
>>692411407>Why CAN'T Sonic stuff have good writing then?I don't know. They had it right with the games up to 2009. It wasn't aware, it wasn't trying to be funny, it was straightforward, even if some parts were unintentionally funny. >Why excuse Ian's trashy writing just because the Sonic franchise is simple? I'm not making excuses, tell that to the people who liked the comics and still follow the comics.>Why must Sonic enjoyers tolerate low quality?I ask myself that every day. Why can't Sonic 'fans' let SEGA fall instead of growing a spine and holding them to a higher standard? That Sonic TikTok series should have NEVER seen the light of day and people like >>692411051 are part of the problem. Why try to make a straightforward story when you can just make a half-assed comedy theater because the characters are all cartoony animals with bright colors?
>>692410510I think Aaron Webber had clout with Sega and after Sonic Mania he told them what to do, and they listened.
>>692411691They were a mix of that and grim dark cringe, especially his fanfiction. Which is some demented shit if you look at it. Surprised they allowed this weirdo to still write for mainline Sonic with that shit out there, though I kinds doubt execs did thourough investigation into his fan work.
>>692409825Stop shoving DEI/BRIDGE shit into your comics then and stop fucking with characters like Amy Rose, dumb-ass and people won't dogpile on your feminist ass.Do not fuck with Amy Rose fans especially, they are rabid and will dunk on you all day and night like they are starting to now.
>>692411926It's pretty proportional between characters. Rouge goes from giant knockers to 1MM of cleavage depending on the artist too.
>>692412040Aaron Webber is an actual Sega employee and still there if I'm not mistaken. He got promoted a while back from his community manager role and got some more influence for certain.
>>692411993I guess a dumb society that obsesses over identity will generate dumb content.
>>692409979>>692410596Who wrote this issue? I want this straightfag cancelled.
>>692412064>especially his fanfictionOh whatever, dude. He wrote dumb shit before he got hired. The point is that people vibed with his early comics, and that comics writers on games are not inherently ill equipped.
>>692412187Hey fair enough.Deegeemin is cool but he makes everyone but his old lady OC flat as a board and it's weird.
>>692412081Amy fans have a humiliation fetish and deserve to be dunked on. Amy is a terrible character that is overly shoe horned today. Even Madonna would be a ste up from her, Amy just kills the whole intially cool vibe.
>>692412081>NO NUANCE ALL DRAMAFuck off. Criticize what you actually hate and praise what you actually like instead of doing retarded all-or-nothing criticism. It just makes you look stupid if you aren't willing to be reasonable.
>>692412284https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dbR2JZmlWo
>>692411691I will concede, only because Miura was a damn good writer and artist. Ian specifically shouldn't be writing for anything else other than Sonic comics and even then, Sonic fans deserve better than him.
>>692410586Ian on Archie was actually good. Ian post-Archie has completely lost his touch or whoever kept him in line is gone and I hate his work now.
>>692412453>Aren't willing to be reasonableLike you?Meet unreasonable people with an appropriate reaction, it's the only thing they understand.
>>692412297You wrote fanfiction while working with Archie, and it was some mentally ill shit Ian. Props on the. Shadow Dark Beginnings shorts but I never want to see you replicating your comic writing or Frontier writing ever again.
>>692412620>Ian on Archie was good.No he fucking wasn't. lol He's Ken Penders without a pair of balls.
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>>692412842Yes, your writing.
>>692412807It's not exactly peak comics but it was definitely an improvement and I liked how he handled the reboots, the crossovers were pretty cool too. I understand how he came to head up the IDW comic.
>>692412965It's not hard to handle a reboot when the work has already been done for you and he added a limp-wrist faggot coating on it. Also, people aren't hired on merits anymore so of course he was assigned to lead the IDW comic shit.
>>692413102I don't agree but it's not super important to me either way. His output now is just awful. IDW and Frontiers were embarrassing.
>>692397732there's apparently a pic floating around of her walking in a bikini and saying "sorry sonic I'm human cock only now"
>>692412630I'd like to think "discuss or piss off" accomplished the same thing while extending the olive branch.
I heard they censored Rouge's back in this, is this true?
>>692413642Yeah, her suit goes up past her wings.
>>692410073Not helping your case
>>692413751Why though?
>>692412081>DEI>DEI>DEIGod shut the fuck up you unbelievable autist. You say this so much that I don't even care about it anymore. It's not DEI when Ian and his wife/friends are already faggots.
>>692413757Lesbian.
>>692411284>He's sayingIs he though? Are those words he actually said or is it just more schizo delusions to hate fuck Ian?
>>692398552The original japanese still says she's in love with sonic.
>>692413972It's the same amount of confirmation we got from Ian when he blames Sega for making him do anything the fans didn't like.
>>692413757Very nice, now let's see her official render.
>>692397732>Girls loving boys BADLmao, why are they such unloved freaks? World without love is SOULLESS, not people's fault rich people have a shitty childhood
>>692414006What about the other changes?
>>692398301What a fat disgusting retard
>>692398425It was characterization from Sonic CD's manual. They lean into it so hard because there's already Tarot card merchandising for Persona. Mark my words, this hard push is because Sega corporate is trying to increase novelty card sales.>inb4 a future Sakura Wars title makes the CARD GAME minigame aspect even larger
>>692414113>official>mobile games
>>692414139She doesn't love him, she is just aroused and obsessed with Chad. They should put that in there.
>>692398301>>692397732if Ian's the reason he's ruining my pink queen then I hope he chokes on something at some point
>>692397732As someone who only consumed Sonic’s vidya media and none of the comics and shows, this feels like a “who gives a shit” moment, after her first 4 appearances and then the gazillion afterwards she already was less dependent on SonicAlso, this opens up a path for way better romance options for Sonic anyway like Blaze
>>692414435That's the only form of love that exists thoughbeit.
>>692414568Blaze is better, or a new character altogether.
>>692413958Declined by Sega and forced Ian to back peddal on his podcast.
>>692407948Anyone who wears a cowboy hat and DOESN'T live in the wilderness OR a Texas sports fan is simply trying to hide baldness or bald spots.Someone who wears a giant foam cowboy hat without shame is based, though.
>>692414609No it isn't. It's groupie shit.
"So, Miss Amy Rose, how do you feel about your feminist head writer for Sonic, Ian Flynn? Do you believe his new direction has been a positive influence for you and your co-workers?"-"Well, Tucker, thanks for having me on, first of all, I love the suit and I wanted to thank you and your team for being so welcoming~""It's a pleasure. We always love to have you on the show."-"To answer your question, I really do not appreciate Ian Flynn's rather insulting and sexist approach. You see, feminism is about respecting a woman's choice, about understanding that not all women stand under the same umbrella. I love Sonic, I have always loved him ever since he rescued me from Metal Sonic. I was so obsessed with him, that I used a magical artifact to make myself older just so I can get him to notice me. Ian Flynn's his writing tried altering the very soul of my character and when I read the scripts I took offense to it. I made my choice, Tucker. I love Sonic, whether it's on or off paper.""It's a shame that Liberals in this country are such hypocrites on the matter, Miss Rose. I agree that one needs to follow their heart and clearly, over the decades of your career, you've been especially adamant that Sonic is in fact the love of your life and you've never strayed from that. Not even when Sonic seemed to reject your advances."-"That's just me, Tucker, I don't give up and I know my darling Sonic is rough around the edges, all boys and Men alike are, but like Sonic, also have their quirks and benefits and I think these Modern Feminists like Ian should do a little self reflection and understand, that their hate for Men and feminine ladies like myself and Rouge especially, is quite frankly patronizing and makes me at least, feel like I'm just an object.""A truly trying time for all of us Miss Rose. Many, including myself, only wish the best for you and will pray that you get your chance with Sonic."-"Thank you, Tucker, that's very sweet."
>>692414720BASED
>>692414568you're not fooling anyone, blazefaggot.
>>692398358>>692398425>>692398450>>692398718You FAKE ass fucking fans her tarot cards were in sonic chronicals too FUCKING POSERS THEY ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF HER CHARACTERhttps://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Tarot_DrawFuck ian flynn it should have always stayed a background thing, now its feels try hard and annoying
>>692414938Noy that anon, but lets not pretend as if it's not obvious even to an outsider that Blaze is superior to Lamey Rose
>>692397732When Sonic ignores Amy's flirtatious advances you all call it "based" but now Amy stopped loving Sonic and you're throwing a fit about it. Perfect representation of the incel victimhood mentality
>>692398920I dont know what schizo head cannon you pulled that from but you might want to take some meds
>>692397732only turbo autists care about sonic after the age of 5.
>>692415141I don't want Amy around at all, she is shoe horned too much. She should have been relegated to occasional cameo, not a main cast member.
>>692414783funny
>>692414689Yeah agreed, not like Sonic in his universe would have trouble in the slightest finding a partner.>>692414938Even if you erase Blaze from existence you could still do a better ship than Yandere era Amy, and Amy would be better off for it.
>>692397732I want Sally not Amy
>>692415178You cared enough to come in here >>692415178
>>692415314We know, Ian.
>>692415269Nah having a group of 4 is perfect, and every main cast needs one girl
>>692397732Good, you sonic autists need to lay off shipping cartoon hedgehogs.
>>692414113Why is she so overly designed?
>>692415471That's just how Sonic OCs are.
>>692415307>typhlosion enjoyerShut up retard.
>ruins Amy>proves they should have left the edgy mid 2000s era alone and in the pastThis whole thing turned out better than expected.
>>692397732tarot cards have been part of amy's character since her introduction, why are you complaining about it
>>692414783mmm, I'll need to touch it up, but this a good draft for a future shitpost.
>>692415427The thing about sally is she makes much more sense than amy would
>>692415629>Not enjoying a little edge.Blaze literally burns her enemies to death.
>>692402553>>692408328>Didn't remove the other watermarkU r mr gay
>>692415430No it doesn't, they aren't the fucking Ninja Turtles or some Left 4 Dead spinoff.Amy isn't required as a 4th even if we want to go off that logic, she is a shit background character that should have stayed in the background. One of the million other underutilized or unused female Sonic characters could fill a better female role, or a new character completely.
>>692415427Ian is a Sonamy Stan though.
>>692415972>>692408328Hey now, you're both based and both haters of watermarks and I appreciate it either way.Good eye, btw.
>>692415629Aren’t you the one who shits on any sonic and claims that adventures of sonic the hedgehog is the best? Retard
>>692397732Cuz nobody liked Stalker Amy especially for a fag like SonicWhy op retard?
>>692416081he wrote 5 gorillion lines of sonic-amy dialogue in frontiers and it's all about amy hating her past self and wanting to grow up
>>692416190He also wanted to sink SonAmy before Sega stopped him.
>>692416125Any Sonic game? Not at all. But yes, Adventures is the best cartoon.
>>692415846The tarot card thing was mentioned once in CD's Japanese manual and for some reason Sega's suddenly started forcing it everywhere as if that's all there is to her personality
>>692416190To be fair, Adventure 1 did that first.
>>692416432For being so "progressive", their view on ladies is rather one dimensional.
>>692416125>AOSTH>the series with the Chad Sonic who has a rotation of bitchesOf course this would make the incels jealous.
if he wanted a girlboss then he should've used Blaze instead, stop trying to rewrite amy. Ian is a dumb nigger.
>>692416432Because she has no personality besides card and "notice me sonic"Just delete her
>>692416679Word.
>>692416251The other way around.SonAmy also makes Sonic look like a simp who sticks his dick in crazies
Ian Flynn framed Yuji Naka.
>>692415149Right here:>>692408451
>>692416679But then who will be the "main girl" of the franchise?Rouge's tits are too problematic, Cream is boring pedophile bait, and Blaze is stuck being Silver's tard wrangler.
>>692416993Blaze. Her shackling to Silver is ruining her as it is.
>>692417085Would an autistic catgirl be a good main female character for this series?
>>692417260Better than Amy at least.
>>692416679Write her better then.
>Sonic>Tails>Knuckles>Shadow>BlazeThe only characters that should matter.
>>692397732What's with the random resurgence of Amy's tarot card reading? It was a thing that was only in Sonic CD, and I thought that it was only a thing they were referencing in Origins because we revisited CD. Then it came back in Frontiers, now this. Amy being obsessed with Sonic not being mentioned is not an accident either. That part of her was taken away during Boom, and her attraction was low-key at best in Frontiers.
>>692397732Just play the old games instead, I'm sure a SA and SA2 remaster/port would censor her love for Sonic too so best just to ignore anything new related to Sonic, I mean Rouge was excluded from the 3rd movie since the people behind it thought she was "too much" for children
Why do you fags care so much about what a blue hedgehog fucks
She still wants to fuck Sonic. That is her entire character
>>692416993You already know the answer
>>692417562millenials who are still into sonic are so stupid. you sally retards send death threats to gen alpha or late gen z who dislikes sally or doesn't know she exists
>>692417562Man, that Sally is so cuuuuuuuute.
>>692417562Who is that? Some fan OC?
>>692417462>fucksSonic does not fuck with Amy. Amy is a fangirl who runs after him.
>>692416993Rouge's tits are being erased, you know?
>>692416190>he wrote 5 gorillion lines of sonic-amy dialogue in frontiers and it's all about amy hating her past self and wanting to grow upJust expansion on SA1 Amy's ending line though yeah, they are trying to make her more than a stalker and trying to make her Bechdel test approved, because her prior portrayals make women look submissive and flawed, and we can't have that in current year. It's nothing that goes against SonAmy shit. Ian made Sonic simp for her in the game, which personally infeel is pathetic, Sonic would have better tastes if written well. Ian has stated that he likes Amy being with Sonic because she does not "hold him down" like Sally does or some shit, so yeah, he's a SonAmy stan.
>>692417767>he's doing his typical shit againnigger why are you even commenting on sally
>>692417085Boco, you don't like edginess, but you seem to forget that fire is her element. Lighting shit on fire can be taken as "edgy".
>>692417968Only by retards
>>692417685Only the super autistic ones and super autists are in every age bracket.
>>692417383The tarot card thing was also in Sonic Chronicles, where it was 1 of Amy's abilities.
>>692397732I very much dislike the decision to remove her infatuation with Sonic. But I do like the tarot cards being more part of her personality. They should really play more into the whole superstition thing with her. She's the kind of person to believe in wishes upon shooting stars, the luck of 4 leaf clovers, and reading of her palms. All to help her get what she wants. And what she wants, is SONIC. From her perspective, they are destined to be together. Sonic only has to stop denying her love.A lot of people are anti-Amy for some reason. But I think you all are discounting her as the heart of the group. Much like how people scoff at captain planet having a power called "heart". Thinking that love and compassion is useless is a very 10 year old boy perspective. You need to grow up and mature. Without Amy's impassioned plea for Shadow to save everyone, he would have never remembered what his promise to Maria was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9rIND08eHM
>>692397732Why would she keep going after sonic when human males who aren't Eggman now exist in canon?
>>692417948Because its nice to remember that she's gone forever.>>692417968Thats one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
>>692417085What shackling? It's barely expanded on beyond the two standing next to each other after 06. You can only shake fists at fan material.
>>692418248Blaze can never show up without Silver now. Like they're tied at the hip.
>>692417685I feel like of the feel millennials who did not care for sally or satam
>boco giving an opinion that no one asks for
>>692418179>>692418069A chick that sets fire to everything and burns her enemies to defeat them can be seen as edgy to some people. Fire is dangerous, Anons, we'd better make sure we remove that, it might scare the children.
>>692417085>literal filler character>literal daisy of sonic>main girllol, lmao even
>>692417562Your pic is looking really outdated, buddy. This is the Sally Sega would accept.
>>692418101I also like this line, because it draws a parallel between Maria and Amy.
>>692418395No, thats stupid. If anything, people controlling fire is seen as cool. Just look at a bunch of anime.
>>692418298She was on Sonic and the Black Knight, and Silver was in Forces. This is not some hard rule.
I don't understand why they can't just have Japanese writers write these games again. Everyone has 180'd on the 2000s games now so there shouldn't be any shame in returning to that. Yet we're still dealing with this nonsense.
>>692417348>Sonic>Knuckles>Shadow>Eggmanftfy
>>692418595Sega Japan can’t write stories
>>692409825>Ian spend over a decade forcing himself into every relevant Sonic project>very clearly pegs himself as the "face" of Modern Sonic writing>is shocked that people attribute fault to Ian when the writing goes to absolute shit
>>692418595No one in Japan cares enough about Sonic to try, and when they do we get crap like 06 and Forces.
>>692418395Not really.It could be edgy if Blaze's powers were tied to her emotions like Fire Bending in Avatar, but that's not the case with her.
>>692418078That could be excused as them pulling some random past trait of hers when they were trying to find things to be part of her skillset since it went back to just being a mere obscure fact of hers for 13 years. Now it's like they're trying to come up with something to make up for the fact that she's no longer Sonic obsessed.
>>692418656I'll take a decade of 06 writing over a decade of the slop we got
>>692418550But coolness is edginess, Anon, that's problematic. We wouldn't impressionable children to light their house on fire because they saw someone cool do it on screen.
>>692418395>can be seen as edgy to some peopleWe have a word for those people. Retards.
>>692418705>But coolness is edginess, Anon, that's problematicSonicbros... I don't feel so good.
>>692415972I didn't remove it because that watermark was sexually ambiguous compared to the extremely gay watermark for an edit.
>>692418395Fire is the most basic fantasy power that half of every main characters gets.
>>692418678It can be interpreted as being used as gauge for her emotions. Isn't that the same excuse Woke people use to censor everything that's "problematic"?
JUST BRING BACK SALLY
>>692418826This but unironically.
>>69241865606 and Forces are better than this crap.
i dont like that they're censoring both Rouge and Amy, so, i will not be buying any more Sonic games till they fix this issue and will stick to piracy. that is all.
The relation should be like this
>>692418826They won't, Anon. I'm sorry.
>>692418705>coolness is edginessAre you one of those retards hiding behind "some people think this is edgy"?
>>692418809Using fire isn't a fantasy though, Anon, fire is real and we can't have impressionable little boys and girls to take their parents lighters and matches in order to set things on fire like their hero, Blaze the Cat. SEGA'd better call it safe so they don't get sued, ya know?
>>692418651>Greentexts a bunch of shit I didn't say while missing the point.He deserves criticism. I'm annoyed you retards can't deal with nuance.
>>692417773What I mean is I see sonicfags freaking out about who Sonic and other characters fuck. It's a kids game and dshould be that way.
>>692419059Greentext isn't just for quotes
>>692397732>remove that she loves SonicYeah because she actually loves human men
>>692419013>Using fire isn't a fantasy thoughActually, her fire is magical.
>>692418969I'm just saying, edginess is a gravely generalized term and just about anything if used a certain way, can be seen as edgy to someone, somewhere and that's all people with a power trip need to censor shit they don't like.
>>692417968Is SRB2 fun?
>>692418816"fiery passion" has positive connotations."phoenix fire" has positive connotations."Fire fly" has positive connotations.Fire is "light". Fire is "warmth". Fire is "enlightment". Fire keeps the darkness at bay.>>692419013I don't know why you're trying to argue against decades of main characters being granted the power of fire.
>>692419138magical guns that can be summoned through magic means are also magical as well, but they're still guns, now aren't they?
>>692418101She is a forced character and there should be no "group" with her. She should be an occasional cameo character and that is it.
>>692419092Oh, you're one of those retards who say "ThIs Is FoR kIdS Do NoT sPeAk!!!" Opinion discarded.
>>692419123>is shocked that people attribute fault to Ian when the writing goes to absolute shitHow is this NOT putting words in my mouth? Come on.
>>692419092Are the kids the game is for in the room with you now?
>>692416081>Ian is a Sonamy stan>Ian is a Sonally shipper>Ian wants all the girls to be lesbians >Ian is killing all ships and romance.Could y'all like make up your minds already? This is getting tiresome.
>>692417562https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ar_DGSsZY
>>692419221It feels janky at first but I ended up enjoying it a lot after learning the movement.It also has dozens of characters and hundreds of maps due to mods, including characters that are almost never playable, which is nice.
>>692410097>but bet just trying to do something newLiterally the opposite, Ian's primary issue is how hard he stagnated. He has nothing to offer this franchise outside of his usual bag of cheap melodrama and quippy references.
>>692419315Ian wants to kill Sonamy because he desperately wants to bring Sally back one day, despite it never, ever going to happen.
>>692419283That's not what he said. Read it again.
>>692419224Buildings being on fire is a negative connotation.People and things being set on fire has negative connotations.Fire could be seen as an oppressive force that makes weak people flee from their homes and land, that's a negative connotation....This isn't hard, Anon.Also, I'm just saying that people can make any excuse they want to censor something and people like Boco will make excuses for it by saying shit like:"Man, I'm glad the edginess is gone!"What does "edgy" even mean anymore? It's an overused to term to describe anything that remotely offends someone.
>>692419256She's been playable in more games than say... Jak and Daxter.
>>692419501>That's not what he said.I COPY PASTED THE TEXT.WHAT DO YOU *MEAN* THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.
>>692418809So is superspeed, so what's the problem?
>>692419595Nope. Try again.
>>692419576>she has been forced in too many gamesYes, I said that.
>>692419741>Being forced, is when you're playable
>>692419676Go be retarded somewhere else.
>>692419885No
>>692419818>Being forced even though you're are not fun to play and are an annoying character who was not a prime main character until Modern SonicShe overstayed her welcome. She needs to fucking go.
>>692402552It's the other way around, stupid yurifag.
>>692419818>Got forced down our throats post Modern Sonic, the era when everything went to shit for many years.
>>692402552Ian...
>>692417562
>>692420059>Amy isn't fun to play>>692420281What does "post modern sonic" mean? I can guess. But I want to make sure I understand your definition.
>>692420387And she was never seen again.
>>692418540That design is actually less likely due to Archie owning it. Sally will either be classic or new.
>>692420530*smooch*
>>692420560Sega owns all her designs, they just never want to use her again.
>>692420642Right where she belongs.
>>692420560Archie owns no piece of Sally, though it will likely be changed anyway just for.more on- model reasons.
>>692420839Living rent free even in her hater's heads? Early and Mid-Archie Sally is peak Sally Acorn, the best depiction we'll get. Late stage Sally can face the wall with her dyke computer.
>>692420642I can't believe THE Sally Acorn kissed me!
>>692421024No, in a disgusting furry convention.
