what went so right
Nothing, normies just consume things based on name alone.
Overall it was pretty good. A few warts keeps it from being goty for me. They stretched some areas out a bit TOO much for my liking but the actual gameplay through them was solid. I also like that they took out some of the tedious walking in the actual town out.
>>693280072https://youtu.be/WhHsyGPy6sIhttps://youtu.be/pbXSnLPm2hkThe remake version is pure cringe and the actress is so stiff and this stupid smile makes her look like Umbridge from Harry Potter
>>693280072Nothing, it's fucking awful
Idk I'm playing the original
i'm hesitant to try it because it's a western studio remaking a japanese game and /v/ told me it's shitis the positivity just coming from normalfags?
>>693280224bottom is better
>>693280390Modern /v/ shits on everything. At worst you can just pirate it and see for yourself.
>>6932803905 people keep spamming the board about how shitty the game is, even tho they didn't play itmeanwhile the game is getting praise left and right.It's a good game anon, the original is better but the remake is also great
>>693280390It has its flaws, but with the amount of respect to the OG and small details the studio added you should be thankful that it turned out this way because it could have been way, way worse
>>693280390>media outlets saying its a worthy induction>long time silent hill video essay autists say its the best version>steam reviews are 95% positive >only contrarians are people who refuse to play it or got filtered by the puzzlesI strongly prefer the remake, and I own both
>>693280072People have become accustomed to soulless demake slop
>another thread where we have to pretend the amateur unfocused voice acting of the original is "lynchian" and "adds to its charm"
>>693281093It was literally the developers goal, and the voice actors were specifically told to sound disoriented and dreamy
>>693281134>It was literally the developers goalto sound like randy marsh? https://youtu.be/2DBrHKVWkJs?t=26
>>693280072Fucking nothing. The gaming has declined if a valor-stealing Homocoming 2.0 is hailed as the best thing ever.
>>693280390>is the positivity just coming from normalfags?Correct.
>>693281206HAHAHAHAcan't unhear
I think a lot of the discussion is poisoned because somebody threw around lynchian once and they decided to roll with it.Nevermind Team Silent was>a C-tier team at konami with only one game under them>refused/couldnt afford american actors so were forced to use americans living in japan>spoke mostly japanese, so every direction had to be through a translation filter>on a limited time constraint / budget, to meet the 2001 holiday season>even the english voice director says it was rushed and a messThe real lynchian tone is Silent Hill 1. There's plenty of stilted, awkward delivery in that game, and is universally regarded as outdated, but silent hill 2 fans like deluding themselves into thinking it was this "lightning in a bottle" when in reality it was just dogshit that happened to work in some cases, and broke characterization in others.
>>693280072They made a remake and not a “reimagining” of the original. There are things contrarians can point to I’m sure, but it’s a very solid game. I mean fuck I was playing and then my wife wanted to try and now she’s playing. She’s 36 and barely plays videogames. They obviously did something right to appeal to not only me but her.
>>693280390>i'm hesitant to try it because it's a western studio remaking a japanese game and /v/ told me it's shitYou should. If you're familiar with what SH has gone through the past 20 years, you'd definitely beware this slop.>is the positivity just coming from normalfags?Yes, and mostly from people who literally have never ever played a single SH game before. Pic related.To pre-emptively retort the usual cope arguments: yes, the SH2R is "playable".No, it's not the "worst shit ever".But it's a massively streamlined, generic as fuck modern "cinematic" action game, that butchers the tone, the pacing and the cinematography of the SH2.Play the OG trilogy first. In release order.If you MUST play this TLOU reskin, pirate it. It's not worth 70 bucks.
SH2 is Horror-ComedySH2R is Horror-ActionTake your pick
>people struggled with health and ammo in the remake
>>693280390I would say you'd be doing yourself a disservice by playing the Remake before the OG.
>>693280072Probably blooberino having a last moment epiphany, and instead of making Silent Hill 2 their "own way," they decided to stick to the original game's ideas as much as their could with their semi woke mind.
>>693281634>There's plenty of stilted, awkward delivery in that game, and is universally regarded as outdatedThere's nothing Lynchian about it dumbfuck, it was just dialogue loading in slowly, like how RE games sometimes stutter when switching pre-rendered backgrounds.
>>693282876>wokegrifters have found us, abandon thread
>>693280072No amount of shilling will make me buy this game. Give it up faggot.
>>693282782The only time this series has been challenging is SH3 Hard mode blind.
>>693281206>One line kinda sounds like Randy MarshWoooooooooow RUINED
>>693281825i've already played the original silent hills on ps/ps2i don't care about xitter faggotry either
>>693280072>what went so rightabsolutely fucking nothing and I am glad the polish SUBHUMANS will never be allowed to work on a Silent Hill game ever againeat shit
>>693282968What's Firion from FF2 doing there
>>693280390Honest to God, if /v/ says something ALWAYS DO THE OPPOSITE.You cannot seriously rely on this place, unless people actually bother to elaborate on their thoughts but dickheads here don’t play games, they just regurgitate talking points and derail threads.
>>693283073>i've already played the original silent hills on ps/ps2Congraz, you're instantly more qualified than 90% of the "SH fans" on the current day internet.>i don't care about xitter faggotry eitherNeither do I, but that's where the nu-devs and the nu-fans bloom.
>>693280390It’s better in every imaginable wayignore the video essay tourists
>>693280390It's better than people expected it to be, but it's still not as good as the original. It's unnecessarily bloated and tedious, and the combat is even worse than in the original.The new endings are good though, worth watching on Youtube if you've already beaten the original.
>>693283424>>693283637duality of man
original is still better sadly
>>693283218this looks good
>>693285295>original: legs are more slender and sexy>remake: looks more graphically nice, panties are actually rendered now
>>693280072Nothing it's a a dogshit DEImake only likes by zoomers who never played OG
>>693280390/v/ gets angry over it which means it's good
The remake endings are better.
>>693285207the lighting in the original was pure genius.
>>693280390/v/ is right, the positivity is from normalfags and SJWs, stick with the superior OG
>>693287150>and SJWs
>>693280072Silent Flop
>>693280127FPBP. Zoomies are consuming this slop due to the fear of missing out yet too stupid to figure out tank controls.
>>693287518>too stupid to figure out tank controlsFortunately you can easily change it to Normal movement on the settings, it's what i did.
I think it's partly that silent hill fills such an obvious niche that strangely tends to be neglected by most of the genre, it has very simple appeal among it's more fantastical elements.>recognizable mundane location made chilling with stark environmental designrealized in a pretty graphics engine that's literally all you have to do to get people's attention. for some reason the rest of the genre can't help themselves but make their setting some modernist gothic dreck or be a turn of the century americana cliche. silent hill is simple and striking.
christ you're a bunch of special snowflake contrarians
>>693285710Watch the full .webm, bot.
>maria is dead>and then she's not dead>and then marias dead again>and then pimmy head has a twin and they kill themselves>and then marias not dead again but they magically leave and she coughsi dun get it...
>>693290323Maria is not a real person, but a version of Mary created by the town to torment JamesHer constant deaths are PH punishing JamesPH isn't a singular creature, it's a nightmarish representation of the town executioners combined with James' guiltMaria's cough is meant ot symbolize James learned nothing from his experience and will just lose "Mary" again instead of moving on or killing himself like in other endings.
i can't see shit in the prison
>>693291829he got the 1 lumen flashlight off aliexpress. it's kind of annoying at times it's like playing on 20 fov.
>>693291829>>693292307Damn, i don't remember the prison being this dark on my playthrough, although i did hear having ray tracing on does brighten up the world a bit, because lighting actually bounces off the walls and stuff
>>693291829Hit the switches you goober.
Unreal engine is beautiful
>>693280072remake should have been its own thing but the devs chickened out, so its held back by the jurassic combat and then some.
>>693280519i'm currently playing it. its ok but its held back by the jurassic gameplay and shit engine 5.
>tfw james never says "MARY...WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU" at any point throughout the gamei was disappointed
>>693281825fuck boulderpunch
>>693293121They're saving it for the 3 Remake and girlboss Heather.
>>693282978then dont lol
Has Maria grown on anyone else...? I didn't like her new look at first but also didn't hate it. But now when rewatch8ng cutscenes she has a certain kind of appeal, like in an uncanny way but not bad. Maybe it's just because the voice acting is so good?
>>693282968lol. fuck these guys especially faggotmangold and alwaysdrunk faggot.
>interaction icon visibility: off >traversal icon visibility: off >QTE icon visibility: off >ammo display: off I hope you played it with these settings, /v/
>>693293265>HEATHER WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU>said Cartland calmly
>>693280072only /v/ keep it on left support from be forgotten
>>693293496What
>>693283218yeah the boss fight with the pyramid head faggot was crap but the remake is even shittier lol.
>>693280072Good source material that even blooby couldn't shit up too much. Still doesn't beat the OG though and frankly the combat doesn't look any better than remake2
>>693280072its cleaned up and doesnt have the crude crappy westoid horror viewed through the eyes of nips charm of the original:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrWMl2cW1kI&t=1336s
>>693292764if your into stuttering
>>693287461SJWs are pro censorship and anti female beauty so yes the shills of this woke dogshit are SJWs
Eileen shaving
>>693280072>what went so rightJames, i fucking love Remake James.I vastly prefer him in the Remake.
>>693281206Lmao>LEAVE SHARON THE HELL ALOOONEEEE
>>693283218is this some faggot streamer creating "highlarious" epic content?
>>693281648they made it "purtty". also social media wasnt around to hype this game is why normalfags even know about it.
>western remake>actually makes the characters MORE attractive than they were in the original
>>693280581no you dont
>>693293410maria is annoying actually especially if you know what she actually is.
>>693297527>>693283424I do actually
>>693280127fpbp
>>693280390there's a reason the demake devs hired a consulting firm and normalfags / trannies shill the game. it's a bloated, unscary last of us clone.
>>693283424>better in every wayfalse
>better combat>better puzzles>better level design>better cutscenes>better bosses
>>693280390It's extremely faithful down to insanely retarded details like Angel's house in the Labyrinth has the same paintings as in the OG.
>>693293417no set them all to max size cuz pixel hunting for the sweet spots are a bitch especially in the OG
>>693293410The new design is a great contrast to Mary's costume, the old one looked too much like a trashy whore.Still the OG costume should've been unlockable so fans obsessed with it would shut up.
>>693297781nope
>>693285207Love how depressive the original club looks, it's like the place a bunch of depressive guys would hang out together and tell depressive stories
>>693297721What is maria supposed to be?
>>693298781I guessed she was supposed to be a trashy whore in the OG, maybe James wanted his wife to be a trashy whore.
>>693298882play the game first.
I have a question about Mary's letter:I know the one Jame's carries in the game is fake but the one Laura had and is narrated at the end in "In water" is supposedly real. If so, where was Mary when she wrote it? I looked it up and in the wiki it says that it wasn't in Brookhaven but if that's the case how come Mary says that she is in their special place (Silent Hill)?
>>693298908No, James wanted his wife to be healty and sexy, but the OG Maria always looked like a cokehead with STDs.Especially the ingame model.
>>693298620KINO>>693298908He wanted sex.
>>693290323I don't get why Bloober left awkward things like this in the remake.Silent Hill 2 is one of those games that was developed on the fly, with the developers not having a solid plan from the start, leading to many elements that come off as awkward and strange. Despite this, Bloober Team chose to retain these quirks in the game.
>>693299062Brookhaven is a schizo hospital, Mary and Laura were at some other hospital, not in Silent Hill.
>>693299062The Hotel?
>>693298781Youre a faggot, trashy whore > bland generic dress with jacket
>>693299195>hates women for being whores>wants women portrayed as whores
>>693299085>only in game modelFixed that for you
>693280072>Avalanche and Nitro Rad both liked it Apologize https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG_4hwdCZpIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76NLrrst6CI
>>693290323Maria is a figment/manifestation of James, she's no different that the monsters.So his guilt (PH) keeps killing her to make him feel the same thing like when he couldn't save Mary.That's why in the Water/Leave endings Maria turns into a real monster, she can't let James leave Silent Hill because she can't exist without him.
>>693299395Also Nubzombie, and that guy has 5000 hours in each SH game and literally does insane 20 hour lore streams every Halloween looking at every tiny texture in every room.
>>693299528>5000 hours in each SH game and literally does insane 20 hour lore streams every Halloween looking at every tiny texture in every room.WhaIs there even enough content or lore in these games to do shit like that?
>>693299182>>693299185Yeah but she writes the letter in the hospital. She says she is wrapped in a cocoon of pain or some shit staring at the cracks on the ceiling and mentions how the doctor came in so she MUST be in a hospital but how is that her and Jame's "special place" where she says she is waiting for him? It would make sense if she was in a hospital in SH seeing as their special place could be interpreted as the entire town but writing from a random hospital and refering to it as "their special place" doesn't make sense
>>693281360This happened several times during my playthrough, fighting an enemy and getting stuck there, having to reload my saveAbsolutely annoying
>>693281093>tasteless brown zoomer
>>693299395ill finish the game first and make up my own mind. fuck these faggot tubers. lmao
>>693280390people that are huge silent hill dorks seem to unironically love it. and I mean actual fans, not /v/ because /v/ is too wrapped up in culture war to have relevant opinions on anything.spoke to a friend that's been an SH fans since literally 1999 and he was loving it
>>693299941> an SH fanslying brown zoomer
>>69329952820 hr lore stream? motherfucker got nothing better to do than look and ogle every goddamn pixel. think for yourself zoomba. fucking pirate it if youre a brokie. jeeezus....
>>693299296>hates women for being whores Who? Me? Nope, I love OF whores>wants women portrayed as whoresAbsolutely
>>693299676no. I hate these essay fags trying to milk every last drop of pseudo profound shit they can get from these simple ass games to pad out videos.
>>693299912Your brain has literally melted from nostalgia if you think shitty voice acting "brings something" to the game
>>693299765"special place" just reeks lost in translation from the nip mind.
>>693299919Cool
>>693299941not hard to love it. its like your favorite Anabolic video that got AI upscaled but you still prefer the nasty grainy look of the original.
>>693299984>i have no retort I must sperg out over a typo
Why is James like that
>>693299941there are no silent hill fans. most people have never played the games. all they know are the crap movies or the videos of pyramid head fucking the mannequins on jewtube.
>try playing the original after the remake>it feels noticeably worse than I remember
Finished OG a couple days agoIs Remake scarier?Outside of a couple things that actually unnerved me i mostly found OG SH2 to be funny.
>>693300603>movie design pyramidhead>pyramidhead as le sex monster
>>693301056the prison and the labyrinth in the remake are far and away superior in the remake, at least in the horror aspect
Reminder to laugh at nufans that pretend the original has a fixed camera when 90% of the time it's a third person follow cam behind James and only item pickups and puzzles switch to a fixed angle to highlight something.
>>693301123>in the remake are far and away superior in the remakeim retarded but my point still stands i preferred the HORRO elements of the remake more and some parts were genuinely terrifying
>>693299062>>693299765>where was marysilent hill 4 has the answers.better yet play the OG 4 instead of this dogshit returdmake and you dont have to deal with dogturd wrong responses from the shills who cant be bothered to actually play any of the games
>>693299102obviously why he wanted a trashy whore
>how do I know if I will enjoy the remake? There's not even a video essay on it yet!
>>693301338There are tho
>>693301056Yes because there's less ammo and you need to aim manually vs the flailng monsters.OG just gave you 200 bullets every level, 10 every box.Remake gives you 2 to 4 per box, rarely 5.And shotgun shells you always get like 1-2 per box.Enemies like Nurses are unrelenting and will literally grab your pipe mid swing if you spam attack, while in the OG you could just 1v1 stunlock them with heavy overhead blows.
>>693300048They're trying to find symbolism hidden in the textures.
>>693301056more ambushes, tougher enemies, they can track you now over a limited distance
>refuse to engage with current video games>only complain that it isnt exactly to your hyper specific needs/wants>dont develop your own>wonder why you are continually left further behind every releasewhat compels a man to shitpost his way into irrelevancy?
>>693299395>meanwhile actual contrarians like Under the Mayo and Yahtzee doesn't like the gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4mE4vNscEE&t=4shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_EGxe2rE40Yeah, the key word here is contrarian
>>693280072nothing. it's shit and a bastardization of the original Team Silent work. they took a unique one of a kind piece of art and deeply personal passion project and turned it into a generic, corporate, by-the-numbers The Last Of Us over the shoulder shooter #589372593984598219899. All the artistic surreal and weird Lynchian tone and aesthetic is completely gone and replaced with generic trendy presentation copied directly from thousands of trendy modern Sony games that most often miss the point of the original. one of those trends being turning everything into an incredibly bloated mess for no reason and wasting your time 20 times more with tedious boring shit. It was made by a talentless and creatively bankrupt random polish studio that couldn't create anything by themselves so they put their hands on the creation of other people who are infinitely more talented than them. it exists only because Konami (who treats all of their franchises as an afterthought) needed money after their Pachinko business started bringing less profit than usual and saw Capcom making all of those profitable REmakes. bearly anyone plays it anymore and it's going to be forgotten before the end of the year
>>693301738>that mayo reviewhe got filtered by the puzzlesand complained the "dark sexual imagery" was missing, when clearly it was turned to 11, especially for angela genuine pseud
>>693301881Right is more attractive.
>>693298316youre comparing a resource hog shit engine remake vs a carefully optimized for its hardware game. also you havent played either moron.
>>693301897Literally rolled my eyes when he complained about something as insignificant as "input buffers"Fucking input buffers in a Silent Hill game
>the lynchian tone fag has entered the threadhow do these losers cope that silent hill 1 also has dogshit stilted dialogue that is also universally agreed to be bad and outdated? do they just say it doesnt count?
demake shills having a melty as always
anti-remake chuds having a melty as always
>>693301881>>>>>>>>>>LynchianNot reading the rest of your post.
its been almost a month and these fags are still seething
>>693285207>No one points out the neon girl is pregnant in both versions.
>>693302449you'd think they would have moved on once dragon age was a genuinely terrible game.instead they prefer repeating memes about "lynchian" when they've only ever watched twin peaks and blue velvet
>>693301473>getting into extended battle just shotgun and stomp, ez
>>693302546the real truth is the remake is better because pink == female
i first played the og version now playing the remakei like both
>>693301738this Mayo guy is a moron, the objectives are clearly stated with arrows on the goddamn map. Also sounds like he never played the OG and just watched video essays of it. cocksucker detected. Yahtzee is just running the same Escapist days shit he's been doing even before the first gamergate.
>>693302043Still better than fucking Yahtzee. Made two videos on tha game, and all they boil down to is.>I don't like the new camera.>There's too much ammo and health items... Yes I know the original had the same problem.And that's it. Nothing on the graphics, the music, the new puzzles, the new endings, the new VA. And it's supposed to be his favourite game.
>>693302673Not on hardmode, unless you get the perfect point blank headshots.
>>693301664>>693302449They're literally niggers
>>693301237So what does 4 say about that? That Mary was hospitalized in Ashfield? That still doesn’t answer why Mary says that she is in their special place while writing INSIDE the hospital. Why do retarded redditors insist she wrote the letter in the hotel when she states things like “the doctor came in today”?
>>693302778good. at least you made the effort
>>693302043>I PRESSED THE BUTTON TWICE AND I SHOT MY GUN TWICE>THIS IS UNPLAYABLE
>>693302802what i didn't get while playing was: why do the enemies spurt grey blood when shot but bleed`red like a stabbed pig when stomped?
>>693302802pwned lol
>>693302934nta but its a metaphor, Mary didn't literally mean she's in Silent Hill, what she meant was James, her special place was being with James and remembering their happy times while in Silent Hill, that version of James. She's waiting for her loving husband to come back.Instead of the one dreading to see her everytime in the hospital.
>>693301897>>693301897Mayo is a fucking retard, he got completely destroyed on hardmode because enemies have Elden Ring style delayed attacks and we all know how hard ER raped him:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l69m4u9OtgU
>>693303150Doesn't stomping enemies add up to In Water now?Might just be a way to indicate the difference.
>>693280072lol lmao even
>>693303150The red blood on their body is like a healthbar, the more there is the closer they are to death.And the grey goo is when you hit their weak points I think.
>>693299941I'm a huge dork over 1 and 3, but 2 was always kind of there. It's good story to rumiate over and the presentation is fantastic but the lack of challenge and enemy variety always made it the one SH I don't bother replaying, it's a one and done sorta game which the remake really didn't help, like sure on the average I like it as much as the original and the first playthrough is quite magical but it still suffers from the exact same issues that make the OG a hard replay. The RE4 Remake made 4 actually challenging so I have an excuse to pick it over the original when I'm fine sacrificing the charm for a more viscerally challenging game, but SH2 and SH2R.I really have to question why the fuck they felt the need to go so hard on the different endings for 2 in specific when the game is really a slog to play through no matter the version.
>>693303150The grey "blood" only spurt out if you shoot the nurses in the head and only the nurses do this, if you shoot them in the body and shoot any other enemies, they spurt out normal read blood.
>>693303327>literally seething within 30 secondsthank you for sharing this with us anon holy fuck
>>693303369its a short single player game and the majority of copies sold on PS5
>>693303462but SH2 and SH2R are trivial affairs that get incredibly repetitive before the halfway mark is even reached*Sleep deprivation is hell of a drug.
>>693302796At least Yahtzee was being honest about his bias on it... at least in the beginning of his original video.The next one he did on it kinda ruin it lol
>>693303536>short
>>693303369
>>693301881Left isn't even from the game.
>>693302449The Silent Hill fanbase, especially SH2 troons, is up there with Sonicfags. They're all obnoxious and metally ill.
>>693303689yeah
>>693303713Doesn't Europe have fuck-all for a gaming community?They have a lot of youtube essayists, but not a lot of actual gamers.
>>693280072CHUDS ARE ALWAYS WRONGTHE GAME IS FUCKING AMAZING
Reminder that SH2R is a different loop to the original, it is a sequel to the original, and if you complain that things are different you are factually a low-IQ subhuman.
>>693303608Difference is that OG has 100% accurate autoaim and gives you 3 times the ammo needed to kill every enemy on hardmode.Remake actually has you aiming for legs or heads, dodging 3 hit combos and at most it gives you slighly more than enough ammo to kill every enemy in the game provided you never miss and always do perfect headshot or legshot+melee combos.
>>693303327careers have been made with less talent i guess. all the reaction and one note rage bait peddlers like drunken ass clown for example
>>693303462I think the biggest was the lack of unlockable for OG and Remake, you get like the Chainsaw for the OG and Remake and only the Hyper Spray for OG and that's with the max ranking and that's it. Of course the endings too but they're just endings.I think more unlocks with different cool weapons and especially different costumes would go a long way to making the game replayable.Biggest reason i think SH3 was highly replayable for me, all those costumes and weapons were really neat
>>693303962sh3 was kinda boring after the first playthrougha lot more wow moments that wore off, and the story being terrible made it really hard to care about anything on a replayI did like the unlimited sub machine gun
i cant believe they turned those mannequin enemies into mobile jump scares, by the end of the game i was sweeping every fucking corner and coffee table
>>693303809Guessing Europe is actually nice to live in so there is less people shut-in playing videogames
>>693303809why is that? too many lore whores fucking up jewtube nowadays
>>693304098actually its because electricity is way more expensive over thereseriously its like double or more per kilowatt which is why every house has solar panels
>>693304093Isn't that good? Making the enemies scary?Also i don't agree that they're just simply "jumpscares"Big reason is that you can actually find them and stop them from doing the "jumpscare" if you have a good eye
>>693303895KYS
>>693304093They're much better for the sheer fact that they're not nearly 1:1 clones of Lying Figures like the OG enemies were.Since both enemies just walked up to you and ether spat in melee range of just punched you.Remake Mannequins are fucking ninjas in melee, and the fact that they change hiding spot when you die/reload is fucking kino.
>>693281093God I hate that shit. Some old things were just bad. There weren't "bad on purpose", and no, it does not add to the atmosphere. The voice acting sounds bad because they hired amateurs with the only qualification being "can you speak fluent English?" and for no other reason. No, it was not a stylistic choice, it was a budget constraint.
>>693302934>Mary says that she is in their special place while writing INSIDE the hospitalBecause you dont have to be physically be in silent hill.In every game, a character always brings up how SH has that dream like feel. Whats the very first line of dialogue that Mary says? "In my restless dreams, I see that town".She is indeed in the hospital with Laura at Ashfield but when she sleeps she gets transported to the hotel, in her dreams, waiting for James.I cant emphasize playing the orignals first because these threads are trash at actual sh lore discussion because the deturdmake trannies are too busy dilating over culture war metrics
>>693303809Are you retarded? Europe has had a monopoly on survival horror for the last 15 years.>Silent Hill 2 Remake>Amnesia Series>Penumbra Series>Darkwood>Crow Country>World of Horror>Who's Lila?>Observer>The Void>Pathologic Series>SOMA>Signalis>Alan Wake SeriesAnd so on.
>>693281634>>a C-tier team at konami with only one game under themThey literally became the second most prestigious team at the company under KojiPro thanks to SH1's success.>>refused/couldnt afford american actors so were forced to use americans living in japanThey could if they wanted to- they even had already taken trips to America for principal photography and concept.>>spoke mostly japanese, so every direction had to be through a translation filterThey literally had the translator and voice director for MGS1.>>on a limited time constraint / budget, to meet the 2001 holiday seasonThe creative lead on the game still cites it as a production emblematic of both his artistic and leadership abilities.>>even the english voice director says it was rushed and a messHe only said that because he got in shit for not getting contracts signed and decided to shill the HDC voices to hide that fact, since he's a well known egotist. >>693282928>it was just dialogue loading in slowlyLiterally incorrect, the voice actors were told to talk in a stilted manner. This idea that it took a long time to stream 5 seconds of audio from the disc, when cutscenes would just use a continuous stream of audio, is retarded.
>>693304457the spider version of these things were super annoying though
https://www.nexusmods.com/silenthill2/mods/237LMAO
>>693304721Just let them jump you, dodge and melee, unless there's 3+
>>693302796I mean it is his favorite game and that's why he doesn't say much on the corporate remake. he said that there's not much to talk about because the best aspects of it are copied from the original and all the new aspects are generic homogenized shit you see in every modern game. it's rather disposable and pointless in his eyes
Really amazing detail, when you aim with James normally, his arms sway a bit like most TPS.But inside the freezer in the Eddie boss room, they actually shake a ton, you can see your reticle vibrate.
>>693304679>They literally became the second most prestigious team at the company under KojiPro thanks to SH1's success.No wonder they got shitcanned when they couldn't make anything else that sold worth a shit. Imagine getting gassed up that much and falling off so hard lmao
Friendship ending is wild.
>>693302802>game requires shooting accurately>"we recommend playing this game with a controller"What were the devs thinking?
>>693304614I mean players, dummy.
>>693305971There's 3 levels of magneric auto aim if you need it.I can do just fine on hardmode with a controller and zero autoaim.
>>693303753It's an official render made by Takayoshi Sato aka the guy who made all the character designs, prerendered cutscenes, and renders for the game. he was also a creative director
>>693305041Gigabased Yahtzee
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>>693305971>>693306075I think that was the intention. I played with KBM first, got the gun and tried aiming with it and it just felt wrong, changed to controller after that. James shouldn't be a crack shot, feels right that you aim slow and will miss a few times using the controller.
>>693306162And it's not in the game.
>>693306623There's 2 really neat details when you get the gun:One, James always keeps his finger on the trigger when the gun is equipped, unlike RE games where the heavily trained protagonists reat their finger on the sides.Two, if you aim around room 217 for a few seconds after picking it up, James will accidentally fire off the first shot.
>>693306850I also enjoyed in the eddie bossfight he is hesitant and it shows because the crosshair is shaky
>>693306413>Shoot them twice in the knees>Bonk them>DeadThey lost a lof of the scare factor once I realized this.
>>693306962They can still jump you a bunch of times if you miss some corners.Even in the hotel I only managed and ambush half of them and the rest jumped me.
>>693306162>the industry will never have a man of THIS caliber and talent ever againpain
>>693307203You can easily dodge on reaction, also absolutely nothing in this remake is scary in the slightest, what jumpscares are people talking about?
>>693306652And you are a retard.
>>693282968>defending woke for no reason
>>693280127these "fpbp" farming posts are getting really fucking dull and tired
>>693303713>In Europe>IN EUROPEYou do know that the UK LOVES cinematic Sony games like God of PS4/Ragnacock like? Of course, most of the sales are PS5 in Europe, it's not talking about In general
Why do people see the town differently?
>>693303369So 4chan now has become a site of pure concentrated retardation it seems. Are we really posting the number of people currently playing a SINGLE PLAYER GAME THAT HAS COME OUT A MONTH AGO as a way to tell other that it flopped?
>>693307665James forgot his reading glasses at home so the town's all sorts of quirked up.
So how is James talking to Mary in the Leave ending if she's dead?
>>693280390just play it, on pc it's free.
>>693307665because the town made them stupid
I heard the remake has no where did you get that pizza scene. Is that true??
>>693308712It's trueThe pizza box is still there, but Eddie's eating ice cream now.
>>693307843>So how is James talking to Mary in the Leave ending if she's dead?Mary tried to contact James since the beginning of the game over the radio, but it was faint. She was confused, asking why he killed her. James has to overcome his delusions (Maria, refusal to accept responsibility, need to be punished) so that he can finally talk to her, as he does in the endings. Mary was never in one physical location, so the entire game was just running around so he could learn the truth along the way.
>>693307665>>693308016Mary and James literally explain it:>Mary: Natives worshipped this place and the whole town is special.>James: Talks about how the old gods haven't abandoned the town. The town houses literal actual gods, and they summoned Angela, James, and Eddie. Probably something to have their nightmares and emotions fuel them. James leaves despite all this.
>>693309028That didn't answer the question, was she a ghost?
>>693308962Thats fucking sad man.
Hmm let's see.I could play>the original version of the game, for free, as it's intended to be played, with developers who had a clear artistic vision that was formed through the technological constrains of the timeOr I could play>a cashgrab remake made by a European studio who only updated graphics destroying any semblance of identity and who changed visuals to appease to an extremely small demographic because their identity politics obsessed consultants demanded them to do soHmmmmTough choice.
>>693303316>>693304542thanks for the actual non retarded answers anons, everyday it gets harder to have actual conversations about vidya with actual people and not stupid reddit niggers who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about
>>693301881Left is more attractive
>that one schizo that complains about DEI / "modern audience" every silent hill thread
This game buckbroke a bunch of retards.
>>693310135I’ll go with the remake that made the original obsolete.
>>693310542which remake is that?
>>693310529>FLCLWhat does FooliCooli have to do with someone's eyebrows?
>>693304542Cynthia is for fucking in a bathroom stall
>>693310743Silent Hill 2
>>693292556>although i did hear having ray tracing on does brighten up the world a bit,Not just "a bit". You legit have to crank the gamma up by a whole digit on GTX and AMD cards. Also many effects are just not there, because Bloopoops cannot into light design and pre-baking.
>>693301738>Contrarians,>The guy who ltrl came up with some of the most known "GAMUR MEMES" like "PC GAMING MASTERRACE"This is a level of cope I can not fkn fathom.Next you will tell me that Matt is a retard...Watching his video now, its funny to see that he ended up saying the exact same thing I did.>>692833960
>>693304495You are retarded, the HD collection was bad for the exact opposite reason, and so is this remakeKill yourself secondary
>>693311265Nah
>>692833960this CRT and VHS effects is just an asthetic not the core of the souli laugh at every retard that buys literal garbage ctr tv's for 900% the priceit's a meme just for a once in a time nostalgia trip
>>693312184>Jelly because you weren't there
>>693312302dude i'm almost 40 and still have two crt tv's in my cellar (where they will stay)
>>693312184Thats why your modern slop games have these effects artificially included and on by default?
>>693304495Why do they think only Silent Hill, out of the thousands of games with shitty voice actors, did it on purpose? It's a really funny delusion.
>>693312545not everyoneand like i saidit's an asthetic choice because none of those games which claims to be PS1 graphics really look like actual PS1 graphicsand a lot horror games even give you the choice which filter you wanna use
>>693309028You're a retard. The real Mary isn't in the game. She's dead, and passed on. What we meet is just as much a "born from a wish" tulpa as Maria.
>>693312731>not everyonehttps://steamcommunity.com/app/2124490/discussions/0/6757179594731474257/https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadSpace/comments/1fuzuis/the_remakes_film_grain_is_the_best_use_of_it_ive/https://www.gamespot.com/articles/silent-hill-2-remake-will-let-you-turn-off-ui-apply-old-school-90s-filter/1100-6526267/2 minutes of google search confirm that your slop most certainly does.The rest is whataboutism idc about.
>>693313157so what?motion blur and the other stuff is in games too and everyone turns them offwhats your point?i agree that limitations make great art but saying that the game couldn't be remade well because these limitations aren't real anymore is so fucking stupid
Obscuring detail will always be scarier. That's why the remake isn't dreamlike. It's a fine remake that just copies wholesale from every other Horror game that isn't Silent Hill, it was bound to please normal fags. Only reason it has defenders is because it wasn't outright offensive in its changes, the differences are much more subtle than the average person will not realize. Like how the camera in the original actually was pure genius in how it framed the game, non-existent in the remake but normal fags don't notice things like a masterful camera. They consume unquestionably, then there are the fags who take the utilitarian approach, it has MORE, therefore, it is better. Doesn't matter if that more is actually quality, it's "expanded upon". It's absolutely fine to think like that but stop being surprised when not everyone is on board with it because they feel it actually detracts from the wholistic experience of the original.
>>693313313Great, so this entire discussion was pointless.Since you just rephrased what the crossthread says.>Remaking it without understanding what made it great is pointless>It can only be a great remake if you do something creative
>mfw some fag goes on some non sequitur on why the original is better because its shittier and that makes it more dreamlike
>>693313558Obscuring detail is something 1 and 3 did considerably more than 2. I'm trrying to remember instances where 2 does this and I'm drawing a blank.
>>693313689>mfw the same fag in every thread posts a strawman and a retarded webm of the remake as his le ebin reaction.
>>693313558>I AM THE INTELLGENT LE ART CONUSEUR AND I UNDERSTAND NUANCE MEANS IT HAS TO LOOK SHITTYsilent hill fans are beyond delusional at this point lmao
>>693313771>The original looked shittyWow, full mask off with remake fags here huh
>>693313889this is a fan modyou weren't therestop pretending
>>693313954>you weren't thereWhen gaming outlets praised the graphics you mean
>>693280390> /v/ told me it's shitThen you know it'll be a good game
>dreamlike>lynchian>atmosphere>fixed camera this is how I know you're a video essay pseud btw
>>693313763The corpse watching staticYou can't see his face(because they used James' model)
I just watched a “longtime original fan of the series” talk about this game for over an hour, and he creamed himself over the amount of action and combat the game had and how much it reminded him of Dark Souls now that you have a dodge roll. Was enlightening to see so called old fangs expose themselves as mindless drones who love Silent Hill 2 playing more like Resident Evil 4 with Dark Souls sprinkled in. It hurts seeing what this game has been reduced to.
>>693314227I tought Silent Hill already had a dodge?
people complaining about the remake obscuring james face as lazy and "absolute proof of soulessness" obviously never played the original this image just makes them seethe
>>693314168>>fixed cameraThe camera wasn't fixed in the original, the remake has the camera only in one place, unlike the original. The original was dynamic.>Getting mad at dreamlikeMary literally says she see's the town in her dreams, why are people mad they describe the game this way. Also why are you afraid to reply to anything faglord
>>693314227video?
>>693280072Copying Resident Evil, same as always for this franchise.
>>693314334>people complaining about the remake obscuring james face as lazy and "absolute proof of soulessness" obviouslywhat the fuck are you talking about, the remake doesn't obscure anything. the lighting is just on full blast the whole time
>he thinks fixed camera means static cameraplease dont reply to my posts if english isnt your first language
>>693314485I accept your concession, retard. The camera literally moves around in the original also but you didn't play it.
>>693314227I don't think many people actually like the original they just like the idea of their favorite game being an artsy emotional horror thing that makes them feel smart and deep. It's funny to see the same things people hated Downpour and Homecoming for be praised now though.
>>693314227>no linkwhy even make this this up
>>693310825what indeed
>I accept your concession, retard. The camera literally moves around in the original also but you didn't play it.esl-anon, you keep using fixed camera i dont think you know what those words mean
>>693314861>esl-anon, you keep using fixed cameraYou're the one using it and you don't even know what it means. >esl accusations out of nowhere because he doesn't understand EnglishLMAO
>>693313771never forget they continually shit on ito for no reason other than he rejected their headcannon
>>693280390It's another case of RE4R. Good remake, but inferior to the original in anything but surface level things. I'd say it's immensely better than RE4R though.
>>693315009Twitter has rotted Ito's brain.
>N-NO YOU'RE THE ESL concession accepted
>>693315089Kek, sure anon.
>>693285207How do you even get behind the bar in the original
>>693315075probably from all the silent hill 2 fans constantly throwing their headcannon on him
>>693281093>>693281206>>693281550>>693314168>>693313689You need to be at least 12 when sh2 was released and played it or else you're not allowed to form an opinion on it
>>693315075You cut out the fact that he was replying to himself thoughDisingenuous cunt who is like an angry baby who's mad he has to share his toy
>>693315186you need to be 18 to post here and yet here you are
>>693280127AND they either have no fram or refrence or simply see higher fidelity graphics and think the game is now perfect and nothing could be improved. These are the kind of people moving the whole indsutry with their purchases.
>>693315176Ito has directly contradicted the actual making of documentaries of the game so I don't blame them.
>>693310139Now you know why SH2 fags are the despised among the fandom and the demake shills are even the worst.Calling them useless is an understatement.The other 3 games have the answers to the lore related questions you have as why SH2 behaves that way. Playing the older games is much better, youre not get any proper answers from this forced marketing campaign threads
>>693315009the rape, maybe not. but the sexy nurses have to be part of his sexual frustration, right?
>>693314326SH1 did, like a back step thing, I don't think 2 or 3 did. Silent Hill games were more actiony than people think though, SH2 was always the exception there.
>>693280072https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx7o6kb-PKwNothing went right.
>>693315176You make a weird artsy game full of symbolism and leaving many things up to interpretation you can't then get made at people for interpreting things differently from you
>heatherfags attempting to discuss how bad sh2 is when they are objectively the worst game of the original 3never gets old
>>6933155173 is better than 1, I don't see what people like about that one
>Directors site David Lynch's films as inspiration >NOOOOOOO YOU CANT SAY THE DIALOGUE IS LYNCHIANUhhh... ok
>demake tranny feels left out and get mad because he has zero contributions to lore discussionnever gets old
>>693315602I played them all this year2>1>3They are all 10/10 in one way and 5/10 in other ways
>>693315441>this nasally shrill voice>memes in the middle of the video>literally saying "the new puzzles aren't puzzles at all, you just fidget with shit until you do what the game wants" aka puzzleswho watches this shit
>heatherfag can only enter remake threads because xir game wouldn't be discussed otherwise the desperation is palpable
>played sh1 a few months ago but only got the bad+ endingShould I play it again or is it too soon? Maybe I should play SH3 instead
>>693315054>immensely better than RE4R thoughFact, I can't even play RE4R. I love RE4 and the remake just feels boring as shit and I don't want to play.Silent Hill 2 remake was fantastic and I couldn't put the controller down. I felt the same way during the original game
>>693312865>>693309389Silent Hill magic allows Mary's soul to contact James so they can have one last farewell because Mary has a strong connection to Silent Hill. The letter he got at the beginning was a portion of Mary's real second letter - it vanishes in-game. He didn't know what was on it, so how could he have conjured it up out of his own mind?
>>693315176based Ito smashing headcanon niggers
>>693316108silent hill 3 is fine for some of the atmospherea lot of the places you visit feel forced and contrivedthe enemies are pretty much generic blobs of horror the combat is still pretty bad so dont expect muchthe puzzles are just okthere are only two endings with a binary switch towards the end its very mid
>>693316108It's a pretty short game, I'm thinking about replaying soon. But just know to use the Aglaophotis on Cybil, and do the Kaufman quest after the hospital to make sure you get the best ending. Silent Hill 3 is fantastic and you should play it.
>>693280127Yup. This.
>>693301056Silent Hill 2 is the least scary game in the trilogy, it's a lot more depressing than scary imo. 3 is the scariest
I just feel the same way I did after Resident Evil 2 remake. Everyone playing and loving this game has to come out and trash the parts of the original that gave it its unique sense of identity and made it a classic that was talked about for over 20 years. Just because they’re late to the party. This is a good game. It’s not Silent Hill 2. All the “bad” bits of the OG is what made it a cult classic that we’ve raved about over the years. This game won’t be remembered nearly as fondly over the years. Fans that are new to the series but watched a ton of YouTube content will be mad because they’re late to the party so they trash the original without seeing the fucking irony of the situation. I’ll probably play through the remake a few more times over the years but will otherwise be far more at home playing the classic original game. Exactly like Resident Evil 2. I’m sorry for everyone born too late to appreciate old games.
>>693316419I played both games this yearYou should seek help
>>693316273>>693309389Born from a Wish does in fact help fill out some plot details:1. Yes ghosts are real and people's spirits can become trapped in Silent Hill. Without James' intervention Mary's soul would be trapped like Baldwin's because she'd have unfinished business and has a strong connection to the town. Her wishes shape the situation as much as James'. She wishes to be back in SH, James wished for punishment and a revived Mary. Baldwin is a mirror of both James and Mary - Mary because he's a ghost and dead, and James because he wishes to revive a dead loved one. Rebirth ending has James going through with Baldwin's ressurection ritual. 2. All the shit about Maria's true nature.
>>693316284Ito simping for the new Heather already
>>693302934Mary never rights the letter that draws James to Silent Hill, the one that says she's at their special place. You get the real letter from Laura at Lakeview Hotel.
>>693316828Writes* damn I'm tired
>>693314734>>693314407>copy paste into youtube>add "silent hill 2" at the end>click on first video you get>skip to "combat" segmentfkn lazy zoomershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09VIRi9ofpU&t=663s
>>693280207>a few wartsnigga it's a remakeit's not gotynine sols is
>>693316273>Silent Hill magicThere is no such thing. Everything supernatural in this town occured due to a demon-worshipping cult of Satanists getting their hands on a psychic child.The whole "corrupted spiritual place" Shinto-based nonsense was all added after the creator of the setting moved on to developing "Forbidden Siren."
>>693316828Right, but the letter James gets is just the first portion of the real letter Laura has that Mary did write. James doesn't know anything about the letter, so it's not something he made up. It's the town's magic combining with James and Mary's wishes and desires. Mary wanted to be in Silent Hill again, and to have peace with James, and James is on his delusional nightmare that he has to break out of. >>693316304>the combat is still pretty badI'm not following what "good" combat would be, if this remake is the good combat. Remake is akin to a turn based game, with very exaggerated animations that lock you in for seconds, alternating between attack-dodge-attack between both. It's a little too much. SH3 is super slick.
>>693317216It was added after the series and lore got good, we know.
>>693317304>LoreYou mean the thing added in SH4. Because neither SH2 or SH3 deal with this nonsense. Unless you mean a one-line comment made by an office clerk's wife, that she probably heard from some local cultists, is something to be taken seriously.
>>693315661I don't remember Jacobs Ladder being a David Lynch movie
>>693317832Try Blue Velvet
>>693317216This is super autism, given we're talking about the canon of Sh2, the game that moves past the first game's canon. James and Mary outright explain it:>James: Mary. You look so peaceful. Forgive me for waking you. But without you, I just can’t go on. I can’t live without you, Mary. This town, Silent Hill.... The Old Gods haven’t left this place.... And they still grant power to those who venerate them.... Power to defy even death....>Mary: I don’t know why, but I just love it here. It’s so peaceful. You know what I heard? This whole area used to be a sacred place. I think I can see why. It’s too bad we have to leave... Please promise you’ll take me again, James.In other words, the old gods never left. The cult from the first game wanted to rebirth one of these gods into the physical world using Alessa. Because of the Gods the entire area has magical properties. It's unclear the exact reason why James, Angela, Eddie, are drawn to the town: whether it's a God becoming them, or a passive influence. rebirth ending is literally a bad ending where James becomes a cultist himself. There is literally no way a revived Mary was gonna turn out right.
>>693317832Also Lost Highway
>>693317832Lost Highway was though, stupid dumb uncultured faggot
Silent Hill 1-3 play fine, it's mostly perspective differences. First person Sh3 plays super smooth.
>>693317216The worst part is all the retarded bullshit they tried to graft onto the cult in 3 like the pantheon made out Aztec gods and other nonsense. They're Satanists. They worship Satan. Alessa was a victim of Satanic Ritual Abuse. Kaufmann, Dahlia, Lisa, and all their other accomplices are burning in Hell for what they did, too. It's not that complicated, but leave it to shitty Jap writers to fuck it up with convoluted slop they think adds "depth" anyway.
>>693317832>muh Jacob's LadderSilent Hill fags need to watch another movie. Even the first game borrows more from Phantoms than it does Jacob's Ladder.
>>693317501Mary herself is likely a lowkey psychic who could pick up on this and why she was in tune with Silent Hill's spiritual side. >>693317996>>693317967>>693317894>>693317832>Jacob's Ladder - designs, head shaking, nightmare sequences, James' outfit>Crime and Punishment - story arc of guilt and punishment >Lost Highway - 1:1 copies of Mary, Maria, James, Pyramid head, and overall storyThose are the three main influences. Blue Velvet and other films have some shout out scenes. >>693318390Yes, the first game borrows heavily from Dean Koonz' Phantoms, alongside Twin Peaks and mashes them together. 2 doesn't have any Phantoms influence though. 3 has the entire subway sequence lifted from Jacob's Ladder. Each game lifted from different films and books.
>>693318272Kaufmann, Dahlia, Lisa, are trapped in the otherworld and probably become demons themeslves. The humanoid creatures in 3 seem to be cultists who gained power forever as demonic beings. Whether they're demons or toher gods is perspective. They certainly seem to be focused on nightmares and fucking shit up. They seem to feed on negative emotions. Why anyone would think this would benefit anyone is beyond me.
>>693317901There are no "old gods." Not even the cult itself mentions them. They're demon worshippers.Throughout all four games they use various covers and veneers to hide that - Christianity, references to Aztec and Greek mythology, charity work - but at the end of the day they're Satanists.The religion itself isn't even really a secret - both Lisa Garland and Jason Schreiber outright say people are aware of them - it's just that their true nature is something they hide.What the "Rebirth" ending is is James about to make a Faustian pact - he will get A MARY back, but the price will be his soul.
>>693315054>but inferior to the original in anything but surface level things.This but the other way around. The only thing going for the original is that it came first.
>>693315054Why, RE4R plays way better
>>693319365>RE4R plays way betterIt doesn't. RE4R doesn't even have hit reactions, the ganados just stand there getting shot in every limb and don't ever react. At least in SH2R the nurses actually visibly feel the impact of a giant wooden plank hitting them.
OG SH2 is a great experience.It is NOT a good game, not by a long shot, SH1 is far better.
>>693294539okay but what do they have to do with silent hill 2?
>>693315186lol fuck off retard
>>693319768SH2 suffers from lack of enemy variety, and most of the enemies being not very aggressive. So nurses are fast aggressive enemies so after you clear the hospital you are in the clear more or less. Hard mode does in fact increase enemy behavior and aggressiveness to make it more tolerable. But they needed ape, mole, dog, or bird enemies to fill things out. It also has less street segments compared to 1.Sh3 in contrast has almost no street segments at all. But each game improved on the combat and movement, to where Sh3 is a slick game. Sh1 is the complete package: huge map, huge variety, each area has unique enemies. Combat is a tiny bit clunky compared to 2 and 3 though. It's mostly input delay and moving between animations.
>>693319521I've had plenty of these creatures in SH2R just attack and move right though my melee attack multiple times. I just find the combat much more shallow and unsatisfying compared to all the recent RE games. There's not much to it and what's there doesn't feel very good, and it gets really repetitive really fast. I can fight those mannequins blind folded by now, I'm memorized all their animations and movements so perfectly.
>>693320197Fucking Rompers. I have never figured out a proper strategy for fighting them in groups that allows you to do it without being hit. They're only in street segments, and not worth fighting so you book it. I really want a decomp of Sh1 so that we can get proper 60fps in the game without issues. Maybe things like first person.
>>693319768>>693320197This is cope for no one giving a shit about SH1
>>693320427I like 1 a lot, and as I said it's a more complete adventure. It also has a lot of quirks not found in later games:>snowing out of season>nurses and doctors who appear to be normal people with a parasite - did Alessa suck them into the nightmare world as well?>huge enemy variety>world has a general sense that it wants you dead and you're tresspassing >Otherworld is invading the real world, and it feels like the apocalypse is starting
I dont get it.Why is it when someone mentions Lynchian why do the demake shills collectively lose their minds?I dont see what it is that I should be upset about it.
>>693320979Because it's used to defend amateur voice acting that was more funny than anything.
>>693320236>move right though my melee attack multiple timesThis is actually a sign of fast and capable AI and good combat design. The AI's attack clearly connected with you first, something that never happens in RE4R unless you're a games journalist because the enemies are so slow and the game gives you unlimited iframes when parrying to offset any potential threat you face. So RE4R is actually a far more easy and less challenging game than SH2R right off the bat.>I just find the combat much more shallow and unsatisfying compared to all the recent RE gamesPerhaps you just like shooters more than survival horror games, because while SH2R is more of a shooter than the original, it's certainly more of a survival horror game than any RE remake of the past 6 years. >There's not much to it and what's there doesn't feel very good, and it gets really repetitive really fast.I said the exact same about RE4R's combat. It's worse than the original RE4 because there's no hit reactions so combat becomes more of a repetitive spray and pray and less of a science. They clearly just imported the same bullet sponge game design from RE2R without changing anything, while SH2R actually improves SH2 combat by making enemies less bullet spongey and predictable.>I can fight those mannequins blind folded by now, I'm memorized all their animations and movements so perfectly.How is it a bad thing to learn how combat with the enemies works? RE4R actually encourages you to memorize all the animations and movements of its enemies because it has a parry mode that turns the game into a complete joke. SH2R wants you to learn the combat patterns and behaviors of each distinct enemy (not the same ganado/headless ganado over and over again like RE4R) because the game wants you to improve and not cheat. They're not the same thing.
>>693321198It's good design when enemy arbitrarily decides to ignore an attack and hit me anyway. I don't think it's bad to learn how an enemy works but there isn't much to learn or anyway to go. It's a lot like Dark souls, you go in memorize the moves then it's just dodge and hit with no creativity or variety except attacks and movement don't feel as good as in those games. You are right I like shooting more than melee though
>>693303369fucking based. no more corporate milking
>>693321174>amateur voice acting>guy cihi is a theater actor>donna burke is a singer and voice actress>maria VA utterly destroys literally everybody in the demake and the original despite being a literal wholow bar for an argument
Have you started Jamesmaxxing yet, /v/?
>>693321794>guy cihi>literal high school drama kid who was in japan on business>theater actorLOLthe delusions just dont stop
>>693321794WtfIf they were all professionals then why tf do they sound like random niggas from the street trying to read a script from a few meters away while nursing a concussion and a hangover at the same time?
>>693322489>acting experience>amateurI know you are trying hard to bait people with your shilling tactics but you still completely disregarded the point that Maria is a better VA performance than literally everybody in the remake. Amateur doesn't equate to something being bad. However, based on your attempts at trolling I think we can both say this is a case where amateur does mean bad.
>>693322625>wtf why did the actors act the way i told them to
>>693322854having experience in high school doesn't make you a "theator actor" what are you talking about? the reason amatuer is brought up as a negative is because it very obviously detracts on the flat line deliveries you absolute sperg
>>693323018>told them to act like actual brain damaged retardsBut why
>>693281093>>693304495"Bad on purpose" and "Lynchian" in scare quotes are such ridiculous strawmen. It wasn't bad then and it's not bad now. Guy Cihi has given interviews where he says very clearly they were directed by Team Silent to give their specific performances. He also says that even if they interjected TS would sometimes listen to them but they always got their way in the end. https://youtu.be/TxYkNUyBhS4?t=1693>>693304495Stop talking about things you clearly have no clue about.>>693281206>>693281550Totally not the same person replying to himself.
>>693323216They are literally brain damaged retards. You would fit right in.
>>693323258given bad direction doesnt negate the fact the direction was bad, no matter how specific it was. is every silent hill fan this delusional?
>>693304495>it was a budget constraintSH2 got an increased budget from the first game but that is besides the point. How many Japanese games from that era used English speaking actors for their state of the art mocap sessions? Do you think that was cheap?
>>693321820>Have I started sticking my hand in dirty toilets for keys yet
>>693321794>>693322854kek, you really ousted the demake trannies because Donna Burke also played a certain character in 3 and she did a phenomenal job with her and it shows these shills didnt bother playing any of the games
>>693280224The original is just plain awful
>>693323258take your meds
Resident Evil, on the other hand, actually did have some semi-professional radio and voice acting personalities who just went in and hammed it up for fun.https://www.crimson-head.com/interviews/lynn-harris
>>693324082TruSoul
I don't think the remake has much staying power. When people discuss SH2 and it's themes in the future, they're going to go straight to the original artists interpretation. Not some dolled up copy.
>>693324310TrueThey're going to go to Ito's Xitter instead.
>>693324082They were mostly amateurs - the quality of voice acting in English was quite low and they mostly worked in advertisements, radio, and the like. The voice directors were all Japanese, and couldn't actually understand the English lines they were directing leading to hilarious results. Such as the directors asking them to enunciate certain phrases in odd ways that sounds unnatural to English speakers - because they didn't actually KNOW english, just wanted all the sounds out. Or the actors hamming it up and the directors not really picking up on it. From then on out, they got a bigger budget, so 2 and 3 had alright voice acting using professionals. I recognized some of the cast from the Magic Schoolbus and shit.
>>693304781Cringed so hard I felt my dick move.Be better anon, you fucking loser.
>be bettergo back tourist
>Muh reddit tier call and responseBe better.
>post election touristthinks hes better than this site but somehow is still heresad! such many cases
It feels like every other OTS action adventure released in the past 15 years. I just got to the motel and feel like playing the original again instead of this bland demake.
>>693325521There's a new camera mod that allows for first person, plus a fan polished enhancement mod for the PC version. They go together well.It plays super well.
>>693318949>There are no "old gods." Not even the cult itself mentions them.not that guy but SH3 literally confirms the existence of old Gods in six memos that can be read by examining the paintings that line the walls of the chapel near the end of the game. SH3 soundtrack has an interlude song (written by Hiroyuki Owaku aka the writer of SH1,2,3) called "Sun" where Claudia literally describes the history of many Gods and angels that created the world. the first God (who is a female but no one calls her "Goddess" for some reason) was responsible for creating the world and is also implied to have influenced the Otherworld and given Alessa supernatural powers. the second "Yellow" God named "Lobsel Vith" who was an assistant to God. the third "Red" God named "Xuchilbara" who is a complete mystery (confirmed to not have anything to do with Pyramid Head tho). the fourth God named "Xuchilpaba" who was mentioned in SH2 in "Lost Memories" book and was implied to govern a ritual that can resurrect the dead. and the fifth God of rebirth named "Valtiel" (who is a walking allegory to an angel with his name literally meaning "attendant of God") who you actually see throughout SH3 chasing around Lady Fukuro (who herself is implied to be either one of the minor Gods or reincarnation of Lisa) and making sure that Heather lives in order to give birth to a new God (technically Goddess). (You) even see Valitel dragging Heather's body away during certain games over animations to resurrect her back to life. Ito also hinted that Valtiel either created Pyramid Head or is another version of him. makes sense considering that in SH2 you see in Historical Society a painting depicting members of the Valtiel sub-sect of the cult of the order with their Leader aka Jimmy Stone wearing a triangular red helmet during ritualistic killing in the blood swamp mentioned in the monument on Lindsey Streethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u031BN7BmYkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Eidko-vVVo
>>693323510They didn't sound bad though, especially compared to the standards of the industry at that time. SH2 getting singled out as having exceptionally poor acting for early 2000s standards is revisionism caused by Konami's HD Collection re-release where they obviously encouraged Mary Elizabeth McGlynn and Tomm Hulett to shit on the OG voice acting in the same fashion that shilling this remake means you have to shit on the game it's remaking when it wouldn't even exist without it. All those positive user scores are from people who are "excited to play SH2 for the first time" and are largely caused by the stellar reputation of the OG. This industry doesn't remake games that were poorly received or unpopular. Demake shills would do well to remember that.There are also several instances of dialogue in the remake where they're clearly trying ineffectually to ape the voice direction of the original but it sounds way worse, yet shills always ignore this. The emotional staircase scene with Angela and the letter reading from Mary is completely ruined and nu-James still delivers his line in deadpan fashion just like Cihi so how is he better exactly? He's not. Anyone who's actually played both games would know this but this is /v/ so very few if any of you actually have.>>693323991>what is 4chanX and inspect element
>>693325724>what is schizophrenia
>>693325724Each game was getting a little better looking, with better voice acting, and direction. Sh1 has some really weird wonky voice acting, Sh2 mostly sounds normal but a little weird, and Sh3 is perfectly fine. I think the series was on an upward tragectory.I guarantee you if they made a proper prot of SH3 today with some qoL improvements, it'd be a bigger hit today than upon original release. Just like how Re1 remake and RE Zero were ignored on the cube but were popular today. But instead we'll get bland remakes.
>>693325719I mean, that's definitely where they were going as of 2-3. 2 has hints of this, and 3 spells it outright. It could be all bullshit given the cult is a lunatic satanic worshipers and their lore could be all bullshit. I like a level of mystery to everything.Is the power only ever used to fuel nightmares, or did negative nightmares like Alessa's taint this power? I don't think the town has ever done anything nice ever, so I'm leaning towards it's always a negative evil energy. I like a level of msytery, so "it's a bunch of minor gods who fuck with people" seems a little too simple and on the nose.
>>693283109The video series is what ended, retard.
>>693280519>5 people keep spamming the board about how great the remake is and how bad the OG is, even tho they didn't play it>meanwhile the game is getting praise left and right from posers who have never played the original>it's a decent game anon, the original is better, but the remake is just bad as a remakeFTFY
>>693326540thankfully konami doesnt hold back in firing incompetent fucks when the new game made by actual devs that know what theyre doing when it gets btfoed with actual sales and numbers.your days and payroll numbers are counting pooper shill.
the town made him retarded
>>693326896deranged
>>693326171>>693325719I mean, Douglas and claudia more or less have this same convo. Claudia seems to have socialist ideals, and somehow, this god is going to be birthed and create paradise. Douglas is baffled how that can be, since all we've seen so far is some nightmarish hellscape.I think best-case scenarios is that everyone becomes an otherworld demon and becomes immortal or some shit. >You will live in the rusted metal world and you will be happy
>>693324310>I don't think the remake has much staying power. When people discuss SH2 and it's themes in the future, they're going to go straight to the original artists interpretation. Not some dolled up copy.Who is going to play the original? It was only available on PC, PS2, and Xbox, with no modern re-release past 360 or PS3 era. There are thousands of people who pirate old classic games, but that's always underground. The average person has no idea how to do that, how to mod games, how to set any of that up, or even that you can. So the fans of the original will turn 30-40, and be forgotten about. It's like a book got a print run 30 years ago, and nothign since, but then gets re-written to be cooler and more explosoiony and people flock to it, but fans of the original swear the original is better.
>>693299146>Silent Hill 2 is one of those games that was developed on the fly, with the developers not having a solid plan from the startAs opposed to games where developers didn't make everything up as they went along?
>>693327068maybe it looks nice only to the order and cooked to everyone else
>>693326896Speaking of Silent Hill F. When Silent Hill 2 Remake released, the devs behinds Silent Hill F congratulated Team Bloober and wrote that they hope Silent Hill F will be as good.Meaning that the game is still in development and likely is going somewhat according to plan.
>>693290323>>693299146Maria is immortal because she is just another Silent Hill monster. Pyramid Head fights these monsters and Maria especially, because it wants to punish James and make him aware of what he did. Maria is his fantasy of a flirty sexualized wife rather than the chaste dying one he had. Maria is not a real flesh and blood person, and as long as James is delusional she will be ressurected endlessly. >>693299426Maria is like a bad ex, and becoems more obsessive as the game goes. She decides that if she can't have James, then no one can so she spazzes out. She's like a robot programmed to love him. >>693290323>>and then pimmy head has a twin and they kill themselvesThere were always two, you just never noticed since they are together again. Spear guy and knife guy were different. >and then marias not dead again but they magically leave and she coughsYou got the Bad ending, not the Bad+ ending. Maria is an infinitely ressurecting monster powered by the town, and only James can dispell her by not believing in her. In the good endings he kills the bitch for good.
>>693327293I think they're actually just delusional Satanists, who love the power this will give them. It's all faustian bargans after all.>You will be immortal, with power you can never imagine. You may resurect forever, in an unchanging paradise where everyone is equal!Meanwhile they're creatures in the other world.
>>693280072Everything except for the cutsceneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fheI5jbIJw0&
>>693326896I am admittedly still curious where the hell this one is going.
>>693327247You are one of those people who don't understand correlation vs causation.Modern games are like one hit wonders, everyone listens to it for a month and then people forget it ever existed, until someday they hear it on the radio.>So the fans of the original will turn 30-40, and....They will keep talking about it and some people will only check up on the new game and become part of previously mentioned OHW consumers. The new fans will try both and be able to differentiate nostalgia from bland modernization.
>>693283424I've seen you say that the remake is better and posting proof that you own the OG games in multiple threads now and I just want to tell you that this doesn't make your opinion any more valid than people who don't post proof that they've played both games and still think the OG is better. For all we know you could have bought those games very recently and you could've been hired by Konami as one of their shills or you could just be a massive Silent Hill fanboy hoping to leverage the "success" of the demake to get more new games made or just more modernized OTS remakes because you just love those types of games that much.
>>693327751>9 bullets, 0 shells and less than 10 healing items by that point Are you a vidya journalist by any chance?
>>693327887I see how things play out with my dad, and grand-dad though. They just watch 40's and 50's films, old radio dramas, and live in a state of perpetual notalgia. no one else watches their media and everyone has moved on. Is this what old gamers are gonna be? 75 years old in an old folks home, still talking about Silent Hill 2? That's a dead fanbase, for dead games, which will die with them.
>>693292849>>693292976>jurassic gameplayits a survival horror theyre generally supposed to play like that
SH2 didn't need a remake at all, the PC version with the enhanced edition patch still looks incredible
>>693327887Should have given examples>Battlefront 2 --Battlefront 2>Amnesia DD-- Amnesia The Bunker>Bioshock 1-- Bioshock infinitehell even>COD MW1/2 -- COD MW1/2.....or how about >Skyrim /Fo4 --StarfieldNot all of them are exactly the same, but most were supposed to replace their predecessor or be a remake/redo.Only half decent remasters get away with being "the new default" like special edition skyrim or Dark Souls R.>>693328337Thats comparing apples to oranges.We are comparing generations of video games.And you argued that no one will watch the godfather or goodfellas because the irishman exist.Now you are comparing completely different styles of Media, of course some people wont watch black and white movies and some dont want to watch modern marvel.Thats my exact point with the new fans learning about nostalgia vs pointless modernizatoin.The force awakens was a ltrl remake of A new hope, but nobody loves it. Different media works differently, everyone hates Disney remaking their Movies and dreads those announcements, meanwhile Games being remade gets celebration.
>>693328728>SH2 didn't need a remake at all, the PC version with the enhanced edition patch still looks incredibleIt needed some quality of life fixes, and some new gameplay modes like first person or alternative camera angles. Since it's a fully 3D game it has that kind of flexibility. maybe add a flying enemy, and maybe new scenario for Laura or Eddie. Having a gameplay mode of Laura running around with no enemies but various new puzzles might be fun. Or Eddie runs around town shooting dogs and fat guys. The remakes just spend all that money to get to the same point, without any new content. So you end up comparing the old to new, and then can only see the drawbacks.
someone post riveting gameplay from the original
I love SH2 and it's one of my favorites, but oh by man I know why it turned off most games on release. It's one of those games that takes a few hours to get good. This is the standard early-game for most people:>watch some cutscene of James in a bathroom and he reads some letter>run through empty streets>first enemy encounter>then run around the streets with no clue what to doThis is where many people give up, declaring the game one of the worst ever. I'm not joking, this happened to me in high school. >if they continue they get to the aparments which take forever>most of the hallways and apartments look the same>several scenes are interesting but the apartments are blandIt literally doesn't get good until Brookhaven, which might be 3-4 hours into your playthrough and roughly the half-way mark. Brookhaven has the first proper otherworld section, which Sh2 is mostly lacking. Wanna know why? Budget and being rushed. You have to retexture a whole area like it's new. It's why so many areas are copy-pasted and why there's only 4 enemy types.
>>693319768>>693320197>>693320624>muh huge variety>each area has unique enemiesSH1 reskins several enemies and weapons. I'm curious to find out if either of you can give me all of the examples to prove that you actually played the game and aren't just being contrarians repeating things this board has told you>>693320427They always bring up the same few talking points that are always gameplay related which is supposedly the one thing SH1 has over SH2 but all it proves is that they didn't actually play the games.
It's the best game I've played since Robocop, no joke.
>>693329228Combat if functional. See an enemy decide to fight or dodge. Melee is bonk bonk bonk. Gunplay is shoot shoot shoot. combat lasts seconds. Nu-gameplay is an arduous hit-dodge-combo with magnetic attacks, that is time consuming and becomes a chore.
50 year old fags trying to gain gamer cred by shitting on the remake, without knowing that they would be way cooler if they enjoyed both games.
>>693326171I don't think that Gods and the town of Silent Hill have anything to do with evil. I think that all the "evil" is the work of the "Otherworld" dimension that existed in a specific part of America for hundreds if not thousands or even millions of years and no one knows how it was created or if Gods described in The Order's mythology had anything to do with it. the book of Memories in SH2 mentions that the Otherworld existed way before the Cult was created and before Silent Hill was even built. in SH1 you also have Alessa who is implied to have received her supernatural powers from God herself and yet she doesn't want the world to end at allthe cult doesn't see themselves as evil satanists. they genuinely believe that they are fighting for a better world for everyone. SH3 implies that the Otherworld simply clouds their visions in order to push them towards resurrecting God. not because the Otherworld wants the world to be a better place but because it knows that God must first destroy all the people and the current world to make a new one. people who can open their eyes can see the Otherworld clearly for what it really is. in SH3 (You) have Vincent and Claudia standing in the central part of the church where the resurrection of the God was to take place, with Vincent (who at this point realized what the resurrection of God will bring) comments about the Otherworld looking all disgusting, gross, and like something that couldn't possibly be created by God. at the same time (You) have Claudia (who's still as delusional as ever) not finding the Otherworld off-putting at all, implying that she sees it as nice and clean holy place created by God herself. just my theory tho
>>693329826why do I need to like remakes?
>>693329859you don't *need* to. It's just that it's a good game, same as the original. Hating it without playing it is just tryhard
>>693329826>gamer credWhat in the fuck are you even talking about?
>>693303369delete that
>>693329571Seven main enemy types and variants:>dogs>flyer>bugs>children>nurses>apeman>sewer bugsBosses:>lizard>catapiller>moth>posessed cybil>satanBosses have huge arenas where you can run around and make space. Sh2 in contrast:>nurses>prisoners>manaquins>big daddy's>bugs>hangersHangers are barely in the game so almost don't count (they seem to be an incomplete enemy). Most of the enemies are very samey humanoids whom you fight the exact same way. Big Daddy's are in a couple areas of the hotel. The only enemy that is really aggressive and a danger are nurses who are on par with the children from the first game. Bosses:>Knifey boy>caged prisoners>big daddy>Eddie>Twin Pyramid heads>MariaMost of the fights are in very close quarters, and you just zip from one end of the tiny room firing your gun or shotty. The only fights with actual arenas are Maria and Twin pyramid heads. So the original game has more enemy variety, and boss fights have more space. I don't thinkt ehse are all design choices, just lack of time and money. Another few months and they could ahve polished SH2 more.
>>693330337The OG fight with Large Traiangle Guy has you trapped in a tiny stairwell, dumbass
>>693329826I already played homecoming, origins, shittered memories.Why should I subject myself to keep playing downgrades?
>>693329402>It literally doesn't get good until Brookhaven, which might be 3-4 hours into your playthrough and roughly the half-way markI think you just have ADHD because you just want constant action and can't handle exploration without railroading which the game actually gives you when you exploreThe long trekking in the beginning is to allow you to soak up the atmosphere and give you the feeling of being lost, isolated and alone. They explain this by bringing up the example of the trek through the forest from the observation deck in the start of the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1VKvED76WQ&t=289s>otherworld>copypasted areasYou are a fucking retard.
>>693330436It's a sidegrade, you emotional fool.
>>693321198 >it's certainly more of a survival horror game than any RE remake of the past 6 years. The RE remakes are all survival horrors too. What makes you think they aren't?
>>693330454Sh1 just has more varied environments, encounters, and enemies. The game is constantly throwing you into new situations. >"you fought children, now some grown ups!". >"what if they explored a sewer where your radio didn't work?" >now here's a place where your map doesn't work! >The long trekking in the beginning is to allow you to soak up the atmosphere and give you the feeling of being lost, isolated and alone. yeah, I get it. The game also didn't sell. Most gave up before they got to the apartments. They were definitely getting artistic and focusing on the game as a story driven experience, whereas 1 is focused on a gameplay experience. Which is why the story and setting really made an impression, but it took like a decade for that reputation to take hold. The game sold around 1 million copies, half of Sh1's 2 million which is why they doubled down on combat for SH3. Then that didn't sell either, so they shipped the series to Westerners. So like it or not, Sh2 more or less killed the hype for the Silent Hill series among most people. It sewed the seed of its demise by making a bad first impression on the PS2.
>>693330804Because they're action games. They're good and I like them, but there's no horror when you can just beat the fuck out of everything that looks at you sideways.
>>693330870>Because they're action games. They're good and I like them, but there's no horror when you can just beat the fuck out of everything that looks at you sideways.So Silent Hill?
>>693330927James isn't a superhuman badass like Leon or Jill.
>>693331038Harry is pretty much a Terminator, and James while a mopey bitch, isn't too far behind.
>>693282968Synthetic chud? Where is he
>>693331181Any normal man would do what Harry did.
>>693331654Probably more running, less beating demonic nurses and doctors with a fireman's axe. The point si that most players execute every enemy in indoor locatins, wracking up like 100 kills. It's as action-y as Resident Evil.The only thing that stops you is your patience and your ammo.
>the remake has worse combat than the originalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYhuVpb-8Tc
Outsold the original in less than two weeks. Seethe and dilate.
>>693327751>Woooooooow it's so hardNever mind that it has no atmosphere and the combat is literally homecoming shit. Larping as a afraid person who's bad at conserving ammo doesn't make the game cooler.
>>693282968Andy pants got obliterated a month ago by act man, lmao
>>693331832On Standard I finished the game with 150 handgun rounds, 50 shotgun rounds, 30 rifle rounds, and over 20 healing items. It's not hard. You're just a fag afraid of getting in there up close and personal
>>693331421too busy suicidebaiting since his channel is getting deleted soon
>>693331905>On Standard I finished the game with 150 handgun rounds, 50 shotgun rounds, 30 rifle rounds, and over 20 healing items. It's not hard.I was talking about hard mode you fucking idiot, and I was moreso commentating on the fag's video
>>693331991What do you think you are to me?
>Remake fags are so defensive they forget to readLMAO
>>693329402> I know why it turned off most games on releaseThat didn't happen though. It was successful and acclaimed on release and it only became more loved over time.
>thread is mostly ogfags shitting on the remake>”lmao remake troons are mad”the insecurity of silent hill fans never ceases to bear fruitgood god people have some humility
>>693327841Just watch Higurashi, it's gonna be that plus mold
>>693332196>That didn't happen though. It was successful and acclaimed on release and it only became more loved over time.Uh, something like 1 million sales, down from the original. It's why they got more action focused in the sequel which just throws you into a dungeon immediately and why they gave the series to cheap westerners.SH2 is literally the game that killed Team Silent! A lot and I mean a lot of people were turned off by the early segment in Sh2, and word of mouth spread by normals that it was a boring ugly stupid game. Reviewers mostly liekd it, but it was more akin to a cult classic than anything. Meanwhile, MGS2 hit it out of the park, and propelled the series to ever greater popularity. Both series started strong on the PS1, but took different paths on the PS2. Initial impressions are EVERYTHING! Sh2 failed to make an impression.
>>693332352they're both good you faggot direction brain RETARDI FUCK you
>>693332439>one side clearly shitposting loudly>call them out>UUUUUHHHHHHH BOTH SIDESfaggot
>>693281093It's not lynchian, it's outright better. You are a homosexual if you enjoy some wigger whispering in your your with a deep voice, the "amateurs" actually sound more realistic.
>>693332613the original voice acting was great at parts, but let's be honest, it mostly wasn't.
>it’s more realistic if they sound like dweebsself report
>>693332363It wasn't a cult classic or anything though. It was a successful and very acclaimed game. It wasn't until SH4 that the series and team died. You using MGS2 as an immediate hit shows your revisionism, the game genuinely was hugely controversial at release and took years for people to start to come around on. The much larger drop in sales between MGS2 and 3 shows that far more. SH2 was a solid success immediately and not really controversial, just slowly ever increasing in acclaim over the years.
>>693332693Silent hill 3 sold less than 300k copies because of 2. You’re the one rewriting history
>>693332684>>it’s more realistic if they sound like dweebsLiterally yes and it's more shocking that a timid person like James could do what he did
>>693332684It's Silent fucking Hill you bitch. Nobody is charismatic. Nobody is clever. Nowhere is comfortable. Nowhere is pleasant.It sucks, that's the whole point you tourist.
>>693332842>It sucks, that's the whole point you tourist.the average og fan ladies and gentlemen
>>693332681It mostly was a there are very few akward parts. It's still 100 times better than "professional" garbage, where everyone has the same practiced fake voice, I can't listen to it without cringing.
>>693332767You are the one rewriting things with that MGS story and Silent Hill. I think SH3 didn't sell as well because it tied it's confusing story into the first game too much while not being as good or innovative as the first two in gameplay or narrative. I don't have to rewrite history to believe that because those were common criticisms at the time and now.
>>693332681the original voice acting is mostly good. it's just that the first 10 minutes has the weird conversation with angela in the cemetery and that's all that casuals remember so they think it's some campy RE1/HOTD shit all the way through
>>693333006I cant stand listening to guy cihi fumble his lines for 90% of the game while desperately being carried by everyone elseAngela is fucking awful too, except for her last scene but that doesn’t excuse the hilariously bad “LOOOOOST?” Inflection she does for no reasonEddie is most mediocre Mary/Maria is fine, but sometimes overreacts just to save face in front of guy cihis mostly bland delivery
>>693280072 Acting is a mixed bag, James and Laura's acting are good, Angela is OK, and Eddie has better acting but worse scenes (that was a dumb punch), and Maria is clearly downgrade all around both in lines, acting and delivery. Another thing to notice, all endings apart from Leave, also seem to be outright be shorter/worse than OG.
>>693333336No, Maria is better and that's not a good thing. In the original, you could immediately tell that she was trouble, but in the remake she seems like a scared but trustworthy girl until you know better.
>>693333243To add to this, Donna does good work in silent hill 3, in 2 she’s unlistenable dogshit for some reason. I blame the bad direction more than anything
>>693332681The demake wasnt any better either and it shows blooper doesnt know what subtlety is especially with mangela.They were trying way too hard to make her sympathetic and too on the nose with the whole "hey im a rape victim if you didnt catch my drift", literally textbook oscar bait performance.Im not even gonna bother with the cardboard acting attempt of manria.
>>693280127Fpbp
>>693333243So you want him soing out the lines like some homosexual because that's what you are use to as a waimarican.
>>693333434>Maria is betterno she is not, I could go scene for scene why it's worse, but just by her letter in the finale has 0 emotional weight delivery in the remake and it's clear as day why remake Maria/Mary doesn't work.
the remake is way too long and the new content is not goodcan't sell a 7 hour game for $70 in 2024 I guess
>>693280390Take one look at Mangela and the other man jawed '''woman'''' in the remake and that should tell you enoughAlso dei detected
>>693333591That's Mary you retard pretender. And btw her delivery is far more emotional. I didn't tear up in the original, I did in this one.
>>693333434That's why she's bad. You are supposed to be suspicious of the sex up doppelganger of your dead wife in the evil haunted town, why the fuck wouldn't you be?
>>693333584I want him to read his lines without sounding like he’s reading directly from a script. It doesn’t sound like natural conversation at all. Especially terrible in the dual pyramid head scene.
dogshit putrid filth gamedisgusting shit, niggaliterally unplayable just shits all over the originalabsolute garbage dumbster fireyeah I just call it like it islook at it its just garbagewouldn't feed it to my dog nigga
>>693333652THEY ARE THE SAME CHARACTER AND SAME ACTRESS YOU STUPID RETARD WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, WHY WHEN IM TALKING ABOUT MARIA IT WOULDN'T ALSO COUNT FOR MARY, NO WONDER YOU PREFER HER SHIT REMAKE PERFORMANCE YOU HAVE BRAIN DAMAGE
>>693333735but enough about the original
>>693333758>they are the same characteropinion discarded
>>693333652>That's Mary you retard pretender. And btw her delivery is far more emotional. I didn't tear up in the original, I did in this one.
>>693333652>I didn't tear up in the originalyou have no soul
>>693333652If you didn't tear up in the original but did for this then you must be the most autistic person who ever lived, or a liar which is far more likely.>>693333669That scene is weak but I think him in the opening and the endings is good. and most of the game really. I like how stilted and unnatural he sounds, makes him all that much more strange and far more memorable than a normal professional performance, gives a lot of room for the audience to interpret James differently which I think is part of the appeal and point of the character. It feels much more unique and fitting for the game.
>>693333851kill yourself
>>693333938It’s memorable because it’s bad. The scenes with Eddie is totally off, especially after the fight when he plainly says “I killed a human being.” The “wait” when calling for Laura along with the delivery of the pizza line is shockingly bad, as is most of his dialogue with Angela. The only parts where he is remotely tolerable is with Mary, but that’s because Mary is far and away the only non terrible actress in the original. He doesn’t sound human, he sounds like a guy in a studio reading lines. Even the original silent hill team didn’t like how acted IIRC
>>693334223that's intentional
>>693334320no
I'm not paying $70 for a remake
>>693334650it's actually a sequel in disguise
>>693334223I wouldn't call all of it bad, it's amateurish but also very original there is plenty of great and unique deliveries that stuck with far more than anyone else, and not in a so bad it's good way. It all really adds to the mood and tone, it's very strange in a compelling way to me.>>693334320I don't think it was entirely intentional and doesn't really matter if it was or not anyway.
>>693333906>>693333937>>693333938Sorry what I meant to say was I didnt tear up a new make believe hole in top with my already existing make believe one because the Original maria/mary sounded and looked too effeminate.Sorry :/
>>693334761it’s amateurish to the pointing of ruination. Most early games had the same problem with voice acting like silent hill 1 and resident evil 1. People acknowledge those games had bad voice acting, but I think silent hill 2 excuse it, either due to nostalgia or delusion. Either way, it’s not even compelling in an interesting way, just plain ol boring and bad
>>693335025To you. People also don't excuse the voice acting in RE1, they like it because the campy bad acting fits the goofy B-movie story, it's fun and memorable.
>>693335298No resident evil fan incessantly defends the “lynchian” tones of the bad voice acting in the resident evil games either. They acknowledge it and move on
>>693335025>plain ol boring and badThis is the remake you are referring to correct? The SH2R voice acting sounds more generic. It is absurdly more boring on the account that it sounds like it is catering to the typical apathetic "hollywood" voice acting of modern video game voice performances.
>>693330337Curious how you completely avoid answering anything to do with the weapons which is as much a part of that variety as the enemies are and weapon variety is worse in SH1 than SH2 despite having more. >handgun = shotgun, hyper blaster (obviously I'm aware it's supposed to be the better version of the handgun but the shotgun clearly isn't) >steel pipe = hammer, axe, knife, chainsaw where only the knife has a different heavy attackOnly the rock drill and katana are unique melee weapons so that means you effectively have 2 different ranged weapons and 3 different melee weapons that you can use in the entire game. In comparison, SH2 shares 3 of the same attacks across 3/5 of its melee weapons and it doesn't just repurpose the handgun for the shotgun unlike its predecessor. >Boss arenasBecause the gameplay in SH2 is meant to serve the narrative. Why do you think Eddie has 2 phases, one in a tiny room like every previous boss, and one in a huge arena like the final two bosses? >MandarinsMandarins appear in 3 key areas in the game: Once after leaving the hospital when (James) has just killed (Mary) again, once in the labyrinth where PH shows up again and you grab the "murder weapon" that symbolizes the weight of your guilt (which is why it's a knife and not actually a sword) and the last time after you've learned the truth about what James did but just before you're facing "yourself" again one last time (duo PH, both metaphors for James' two killings that both hide his own face behind the pyramid shaped helmet). They could've been made faster in their attacks but they're mostly there to serve the narrative as everything else in the game. The Mandarins appear beneath your feet because they're trying to claw their way past the many layers of James' mind (what does a pyramid have again?) and Silent Hill 2 is best described as a personal journey through the mind of its protagonist.>i don't thinkYou don't know jack. It's a little rushed sure, but so was SH1.
>>693335393The RE games are closer to campy Romero films and isn't coy about it. Silent Hill does the same with Lynch films. What is so hard for you to wrap your head around?
>>693335393No because RE isn't trying to make a really good and interesting story, it's a goof horror game were goofy acting fits really well. It's not good but it works and enhances the experience. No one gives a shit about the technically better performances of latter RE games and remakes, aside from over the top silly moments like Wesker and the family in 7. A haunting artsy game about grief and lust and killing wives benefits from the bizarre and amateur acting, to me and others at least. I mean don't see how you can call the original acting boring if nothing else, it's not dull.
>>693335539There is absolutely nothing Hollywood about new James, or Eddie or even Angela. All of them deliver their lines great, and have the added layer of facial animation. The old voice actors meanwhile can clearly be heard reading from a script>>693335656Lynch and amateur don’t belong in the same sentence, and stating that stilted dialogue from amateurs is lynchian shows a lack of understanding what lynchian is. There’s nothing to understand beyond it’s bad, and it detracts from the original.
>>693335689When the deep, personal horror game has the same campy dialogue inflections as resident evil, you’ve done something wrong
>>693335796>there is absolutely nothing hollywood about james etc>literal hollywood actorlol, lmao nobody is buying your shitty bait bro anybody with ears can tell the difference between the maria performances>>693335796Lynchian and amateur don't belong in the same sentence? Are you aware of the number of people Lynch has brought in to the film industry? You are fucking retarded LMFAO
>>693335605>>693330337The problem with SH1 is that there is too much combat for how little variety the encounters actually bring. The rompers, the screamers and the groaners are mostly nuisances that actually hinder exploration, especially in the otherworld town when everything is dark and you can't see where you're going and the map is unusable. They don't bring any meaningful "variety" when they just exist to disrupt the flow of the game as annoying obstacles.>>693330840>Sh1 just has more varied environments, encounters, and enemies.It doesn't, you posting pictures of a Japanese guidebook you got from archive.org isn't going to make you look like an expert except to those who are just as ignorant as you. See my reply here and stop spreading misinformation >>693335605
>>693335932It doesn't though, it does sometimes in some scenes, and even in some of those it kind of works for me like the pizza eating scene which is very funny and memorable, but in almost all the important scenes they nail it and do so in a totally original way to me. You can disagree but that's it.
>>693335796>stating that the thing that the game directly references in its cinematography and is mentioned to be a direct influence on the game/series is not intending to emulate and/or pay homage to them by using similar conventions in its designs
>>693335958>resorting to personal attacks>actually lynchian is amateur >the guy who lives in a literal acting Mecca is anyway comparable to random Americans in Japan you don’t understand art no matter how much you screech lynchian
>>693336120You can emulate things poorly, no matter how much passion you have. I don’t care how much work you put in if the end result is unlistenable amateur actors doing “NOW ITS TIME TO END THIS” anime tier scenesAlso congrats on using an image to describe your own post
>>693330870>Because they're action games.So is Silent Hill, so is every Resident Evil game including the fixed camera ones. What do you think an action game is exactly?>>693331038That's not what action means and that is also completely untrue.
>>693336104We can just disagree. I think the only scenes where guy cihi does an ok job is the elevator scene with Maria, and towards the end with the tape recorder. Everything else is borderline wince worthy.
>>693336165Where is the personal attack? You are clearly mentally handicapped if you don't think that Lynch has kickstarted many careers for amateur actors in the film industry. Using amateur as a negative connotation here and saying it isn't Lynchian is just blatantly incorrect.
>>693336382You clearly keep saying amateur without the context of understanding that amateur in Hollywood is much different than being an amateur in Japan. Youre just a pseud who sperged out
>>693336308>we want to do x>we will attempt to do x>we have achieved x>this is le badOkay you are an amateur troll. Now is the time to end this.
>>693329147>new gameplay modes like first person or alternative camera angles.https://github.com/zealottormunds/sh2cammod
>>693336591>we have achieved xthey didn’t
>>693336498You must be a special kind of autistic or something. Amateur is just that, the location of the actor or actress is irrelevant. Lynch has hired complete random people off the street who had no prior acting experience. You are grasping at straws because you still can't figure out that just because something is amateur it doesn't make it bad. The original game will fondly be remembered for being a piece of content that has had a lasting impact in the industry. The demake will quickly be forgotten about and everything about it that is praised is because of the piggy back Bloober took from the original. Seethe shill.
>>693336650How so? Bad is not a description for how they didn't achieve it.
>>693336498bloober team is an amateur silent hill dev they are shit lol
>>693336735You can keep sperging out that Guy Cihi literally is already forgotten, his performances and mannerisms are more derided than lauded, and that a literal man off the street in Hollywood is more likely to produce a better actor than a random American in Japan in the 90s I didn’t only use amateur either, just described how bad it was with specific line deliveries if you bothered to scroll up, which you didn’t because it’s easier to shitpost needlessly and scream demake when everything is clearly better. I will enjoy future discussion shifting to the remake where everything was improved upon while you slowly fade away into irrelevancy like the resident evil 2 fans did.
>>693336923Who cares about Guy Cihi? You must care enough to have remembered his name despite him being a literal who voice actor from one game.
>>693337031I used to care until I played the remake.
>>693336923Manria's voice in the demake is actually amateur. Mary in the original game had more range than everybody in the remake and she is a nobody. Keep shilling you pathetic faggot.
>>693337082>I used to carewho cares about the voice actors its about the performances you dumb nigga lmfao
>>693337150Mary and Maria are great in the remake too, and her Mary is leagues more personable to James. Cope and seethe more though>>693337207>why do you care who does the performances I accept your concession
>>693336923And yet the hired Hollywood actor Luke Roberts is more one note than Guy Cihi......Deep......
>>693337348Literally the webms posted earlier makes everyone seethe that they are emotive, try again
>>693337257Mary and Maria are not great in the demake. She has no different cadence or delivery for the characters. She has no passion in almost all of her voice lines. Mary is not personable in any way what so ever because she sounds exactly the same to Maria. You are a shill.
>>693330840>The game sold around 1 million copies, half of Sh1's 2 million which is why they doubled down on combat for SH3.You are one ignorant twat and now you've exposed yourself as a blatant SH1fag which means nobody can trust anything you have to say because SH2 will forever be more popular and that makes you fags mad as hell so you constantly lie and spread your bullshit. SH3 was made in response to the mixed Jap reaction at the time because Japs are retarded like you. It had nothing to do with the combat, they just didn't like that it was numbered but not actually being a sequel to a game that never needed one. They also didn't like how different the enemies looked, so it was mostly superficial crap like that.>So like it or not, Sh2 more or less killed the hype for the Silent Hill series among most peopleSure, that's why SH2 continued selling well on Xbox and PC, the latter on which it released a full year later and why SH2 continues to be the best reviewed game in the series. >>693332363>keeps lying about sales and everything elseKill yourself you lying sack of piece of shit SH1fag.>>693332767SH3 didn't sell well because it had exclusively a female protagonist and it released at a time when people were fucking sick of the classic survival horror formula and they mistakenly thought pandering to their domestic market was going to net them more sales.
>>693337432>one note is the same as emotiveESL shill
>>693337452I could easily tell the differences between the sensual Maria and the tired and dying Mary, as could literally everyone else. Sounds like you have autism. Mary in the remake actually sounds ill and not like Maria dropping her sexy voice.>>693337516but enough about you
>>693337589>the tired and dying MarySo you mean her entire performance as Mary and Maria? She sounds tired and dying the entire game kek
>>693337662The lake house scene she does not sound tired and dying. You should play the game
>>693337589>no uI accept your concession.
>>693337731>literally negating the point >WHY ARE YOU SAYING THEY ARE THE SAMEholy seethe
>>693337716I refunded it after purchase because the cutscenes were so bad. Good thing I could pirate it!
>>693337801That’s fine, I’m glad you’re enjoying the superior version
>>693337787>i'll say le seethe again! big mad!Holy shit you are a fucking pitiful faggot, I can see why you are so amazed by the tranny Manria.
>>693337873>trannyand dropped>>>/pol/Trump is gonna lose again and this board will be usable once more inshallah
>>693337853>break 1000 walls for a c-tier cutscene by a eurojank devlol lmao even
>>693337949better than fellating an badly directed game from 20 years agohow embarassing
>>693337939>/pol/ boogiemanMaria looks like a man. Most trannies do.
>>693338004>an badlyESL just as I said. You are defending the creatively bankrupt studio who is propping up the corpse of said game you disingenuous spaz.
>>693338017I don’t blame you, you’ve never touched a woman. Nevermind her model is basically the same as the OG just with better facial expressions and extra booba
>>693338113>projecting incel insecuritiesYou ARE indian LMFAO
>>693338092>ESL ESL ESLsays the fucking Aussie shitposterMoot should have nuked you from orbit years ago
>>693338170Low effort response, you pajeets need to practice more to shill your even lower effort cash grab.
>discussion devolves into YOURE BROWNI accept everyone’s concessions that you had nothing constructive and just resorted to hoping I was brown. Cuck fetishes really plague this board
>>693338248You are projecting incel fantasies. We don't have to deal with that in the developed world. Calm down Ahmed.
>>693338113>bloober shill writes more fan fiction than the remakehahaha
>you called out incel fantasies and I felt attackedself report
remake is shit
remake is goated with the sauce on god
>>693338449yes it is as you can see this is why indians defend it>>693338469
keep btfoing demake shills anons its a lot more fun than actually playing that bloober turd
>feverishly he hovers over the post button, waiting for the thread to archive>his post, primed and ready, says one thing>”demake”>he smiles to himself, knowing that no one can counter his arguments
693338673>he says while making no counters
