The thread discussing why the new VTMB game sucks
reddit says its good tho
>>724368615Phyre is retarded and Fabien is obnoxious
>>724368707Fabien is Reddit incarnate I'm not surprised they like it
The fat of night is gonna be causing trouble in the future I believe
>>724368707reddit is a bot farm that pushes fag politics
>>724368615that's a heartless snake
>>724368707it sucks. I was never a Bloodlines fan but holy shit it's bad. Form bad to way worse.
Hairy Tremere girls who are autistic, clingy, and skip baths
>>724368707If Reddit jumped off a cliff would you do it too?
>>724368615Just beat the game (credits rolling in the background)What a terrible pile of shit. Holy fuck. None of my choices mattered.Kept going through the game thinking, they'll redeem this right? I can sense a trace of good in this, MAYBE they can just get it together. WRONG.Damn it...at least I didn't buy this pile of shit KEKAROOOOOOOO!
>>724368974she is sexy tho
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>>724369018Ah now I think I know why the game is so fucking shit. Ok, no more seething from me. Time wasting garbage...
>>724369184SAAR
>>724369140I wish they didn't make Safia into a cartoon
Bloodlines 2 has 4 composers.>Craig Stuart Garfinkle & Eimear Noone (27 tracks).>Rik Schaffer (9 tracks, 3 reused, 6 new).>Mike Lane (6 Tracks)The reason you didn't really notice Schaffer's new material is that most of it isn't very good. Not bad, but kinda forgettable. It's not a surprise they bought in new people for a bulk of the score.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdWGtVAIwmc
>>724369184jeets are the worst people on earth
>>724369018>None of my choices mattered.What do you mean none of your choices mattered? Tell me you weren't one of those dumbasses who killed Agent Baker.
>>724369387I liked Fabien's story. I still didnt' like the game. I wish they'd just make a DLC for it so they could spare us all the Chinese Room walk simulator bullshit.
>>724369184Pretty much all AAA games have some kind of outsourcing. TCR were under Sumo Digital, so a bunch of Sumo Digital studios contributed.
>>724369441He talked too much but yeah his story had a good ending.
>>724369140Sex with Carna!
>>724369441It originated as the Malkavian story DLC. But they reworked it heavily so that they could replace thinblood Fabien whom they felt was not working as a character. They also clearly ran into issues of the plot being too underdeveloped. So they used Fabian as an excuse to jam in flashbacks.Also, they felt the game was too action packed. So they wanted to do walking sim stuff.
>>724369509Regarding the amount Fabien talks, I really think that they should do something similar to what Atomic Heart did and give the dialogue a trim. Keep the critical stuff, but just make it leaner,
>>724369550You are now ghouled.
>>724369564>So they wanted to do walking sim stuff.yeah, fucking Dear Esther all over again.
>>724368707then why don't they actually play it? it's sitting at under 4000 concurrent players on steam right now
We never had a proper Tzimisce apocalyptic plot since VTMR
>>724369564>>724369645From an interview with the game's narrative director, Ian Thomas.>Thomas admits that Fabien wasn’t originally part of Bloodlines 2. Phyre initially had a different character living in their head, but early audiences found “it’s just depressing to be around these two people.” Two years ago, The Chinese Room came up with the idea of Fabien and a gameplay loop that would alternate between his remembered investigations and Phyre’s far more combat-focused nights.>“There are a lot of people who don’t want [combat] as their primary method of playing the game. They want other methods of play, other things they can do, and there’s an awful lot of story that we wanted to get into this game,” he said. “Two years ago, I think it’s fair to say that it would have been much more combat-focused.”The question is how they got years into development making a basically linear action game with dialogue choices without someone noting that this might face reception difficulties given the brand.
>>724369775>Phyre initially had a different character living in their headI wonder who
>>724368615Everyone shitting on the fat of night last thread was hilarious, can we do that again?
>>724369775>without someone noting that this might face reception difficulties given the brand.The Eternal Swede doesn't care.
>>724369731>it's sitting at under 4000 concurrent players on steam right nowSo it's the most popular VTM game on Steam?
>>724369830You have to put in effort to get that fat, I'm a fat fuck and I'm not nearly that round like the Penguin in Batman Returns.
>>724369830I'll start. Man the harpoons.
>>724369878Give it a month and vtmb will have a higher player count
>>724369731First major patch is coming this week. I'm personally holding off because I've seen some nasty game breaking bugs, and I played the first 30 mins and performance dropped like a rock when I hit the first hub.
>>724369925>Give it a month and vtmb will have a higher player countI'll give it a month and I'll see people re-discovering what a great gem Redemption was.
>>724369825Also called Fabien. But he was a thinblood character, and super different personality compared to current Fabien. Was kind of a condescending, whiny prick. Always whining about thinblood oppression and the corruption of the Camarilla and stuff. Also acted as the game's replacement for humanity, where doing bad things would be reflected in his condemnation.
>>724369869But the Swedes weren't in charge of that exactly. It was The Chinese Room allegedly run by "arrogant, egotistical men in directorial roles" according to Glass Door.
>>724369775The whole voice in the protagonist's head thing is such a tired trope. What a bunch of hacks.
>>724370061>according to Glass Door.
>>724369925I don't see that happening. Even Bloodhunt has 507 24h peaks. Bloodlines 2 will likely truck along with about 500-1,000 players concurrent for months. Especially with the usual patches, modest Christmas discount, that sorta thing.The launch has been rough, but I think some people are panicking for nothing. It's basically Dying Light 2 all over again, except the story of Dying Light 2 was complete shit. So there's that.
>>724370061bro they were ruining video games since 2000s. It's their negligence alone that's to blame.
>>724370061>But the Swedes weren't in charge of that exactly.everything they touched turned to shit. This has been going on since 2000s.
It's not a good sequel, but I kind of like it just the same. Disappointing and good at the same time. The story is a lot better even if the presentation isn't.
>>724370116It lost 90% playercount in a week, it's not gonna hover at 1k. Bloodhunt is a multiplayer game so it at least has that going for it.
>>724370181>It lost 90% playercount in a week,oof
Where's the API endpoint they use to get these player counts from Steam? Not the SteamDB link, where's the endpoint? Does it exist?
>>724369013No, but if they didn't I would.
>>724369830>Amanda "Chubby" Chubblestonloooool
>>724370181>It lost 90% playercount in a week, it's not gonna hover at 1k.Why do you think Dead Island 2 fluctuates between 500-1000 players peak concurrent each week for the past year and a half? Games like this just putter along once they hit a floor. Even Dragon Age Veilguard has 1,000 concurrent players every day. Mass Effect Andromeda has 775 concurrent in the last 24 hours, and it came out like 8 years ago and was immediately abandoned after a contractually obligated patching period.Like I said, they're rolling out the first major patch this week. So you'll have the game breaking bugs fixed, the performance (maybe fixed). Then the roadmap drops either this week or in November. Probably October 31st to be honest, use Halloween as the launch point to announce what they're going to do to improve the game. Then each time they release a new update you'll get the spike of players, the uptick in user reviews.
>>724369830Bet of Night is fun, and I hope they update the game so that it plays in more locations. The fact it only plays in the lobby is annoying.
>>724370541None of the games you listed are at all similar to vtmb2.This is a borderline visual novel with bad writing. A sequel to a cult classic that came out over 20 years ago. It has no legs. It doesn't have the biotroon loyalists that ME or DA series have nor the turn your brain off gameplay of Dead Island 2 (which also has coop btw).
>>724370623It is actually very similar to Dead Island 2. A bunch of the same actors as well (the firefighter guy in Dead Island voices Fabien).>This is a borderline visual novel with bad writingIt's the opposite, it's an action game with very good writing.
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>>724370072They wanted Cyberpunk money.
>>724370835>with very good writinglol!
>>724370072>>724371020The Chinese Room's games have always had narrators. I don't buy that it was ever a Cyberpunk thing. It's just incredibly on brand for them to have constant talking in your head.
>2025>there are more people invested in an autistic European audio drama than there are in the official V:TM sequelIncredible
>>724371113>Alfabusa
>>724371071The writing ranges from excellent to "just okay". I think it's because there are several writers and not all are of the same caliber.
>>724369830Reminder that Huddy, aka FAT OF NIGHT wrote her own dialogue, I can already imagine she thinking how hot she would sound reading these "safe thirsty" lines.
>>724370835>>724371216>ExcellentMaybe if you're insane and have never picked up a book or decent movie.Even the biggest action slop games have better writing
>>724371113Makes sense. Bloodlines was never a popular series, and I don't know why people pretend it is.
>>724371187T. Paradox interactive dev
>>724369184>animations fucking suck>see credits>superjeet suckfart>mandeep squatsquirt>singh asong>daladump manjuice
What is this, american mcgee's alice?
>>724371258It was very popular with it's target audience.
>>724370617bet of night is horrendous garbage
>>724371252Such as? Sounds like maybe you just don't like The Chinese Room's house writing style?
>>724371216>The writing ranges from excellent to "just okay". It ranges from terrible to "just okay".
>>724370172I just beat Ysabella. I agree there's a lot to like but TCR's inexperience with making actual rpgs is evident in every corner of the game. Fabien's parts being railroad interludes to the somewhat-fun Dishonored parts with Phyre illustrate this the most, the gameplay has potential but it's clear they don't actually know how to do it properly.
>>724371263Alfabusa was always an unfunny parasite whose works are loved only by tertiaries of whatever work he's trying to "parody". The current state of WoD is already bad enough, so The last thing it needs is an army of posers demanding it change further to be more like a shitty parody.
>>724371461Nah, none of it's terrible. It's hard to judge because, yes, it's a lot better written than the first game, but it doesn't really have the grace and poetry of something like Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs.
>shit combat>shit story>shit character customisation>shit open world>shit side stories, if you can even call them thisJust who this game was made for, thats my question. It feels like it was simply made because it had to be.
>>724371552Nah.
>>724371474I don't think TCR ever cared about making an RPG at all. Their vision of VTMB2 was to basically make a linear action game with dialogue, and then they strapped the walking sim sections onto the game later in development.
>>724368615>The thread discussing why the new VTMB game sucksGood, because it's a mess. The one thing I will give the game is that the plot is pretty good, broad strokes. The characters and dialogue writing is all over the place in terms of quality, but the plot and mystery kept me interested throughout. Pretty much everything else is a weird, janky mixed bag. 5/10 not really worth playing unless you're into the VtM setting, and even then it's a hard maybe on if you should. I also can't fucking believe they were insane enough to include The Sewers 2.0 in this game. It may be arguably more tolerable than the OG's sewers section, but it's still shit.
>>724371552hey i understand you gotta make a living but your posts are terrible
>>724371619>make a linear action game with dialoguewhy action sucks so much then. I don't think they would have made action if they had a choice.
>>724371571Combat is great. I want them to change the kicking and parrying, though. Need dedicated buttons.Story is absolutely fantastic.Character customization is good, but could be better. Female Phyre is so hot. I want some sluttier outfits.Open world is fine, but clear they didn't really know what to do with it.Sidequests are complete afterthought. They should revamp them.
>>724371692Holy shit at least try to be subtle sar.
>>724371639Sorry, but the game has basically the same plot as A Machine for Pigs, but AMFP is the goddamn PEAK of videogame writing and voice acting. This game (no VTM game really) comes CLOSE.
>>724369184Funny. The whole time I've been playing and laughing at how shitty the animations are.>>724371637I actually like the combat. I think if you iterated on it and threw a lot more options and enemy types in it could be genuinely good. As is there just isn't enough there to stay interesting all the way through, but it still feels good to punch a guy across the room right into a wall, use your discipline powers, telekinesis shit around, etc.
>>724371691The action is very good. Very fun, very flexible, very power fantasy. It's just that the tutorials aren't very good.
>>724371552>Ysabella killing gorillion people is not terrible writing>Safia faking her own death is not terrible writing>the entirety of bet of night is not terrible writinglmao!
>>724371775>>Ysabella killing gorillion people is not terrible writingNo... Her whole plan was to live broadcast a massacre on the internet.>Safia faking her own death is not terrible writingIt made a little more sense when she was a Tzimisce. But it's a minor quibble at best. Awesome twist.>the entirety of bet of night is not terrible writingBet is really fun.
>>724371552>Better writtenLMAO. NO.Overall story is better though. VTMB 1's main story felt like a side quest.
>>724371842>Bet is really fun
>>724368707>reddit says
>>724371842I hope you aren't doing it for free at least. I also hope you get testicular cancer.
>replaying bloodlines 1>in the tutorial where you're supposed to use domination on a sabbat>domination set to 2 in the hotkey menu>2 doesn't select it>in fact none of the hotkeys set in the hotkey menu seem to work>well i can at least set a hotkey to toggle the disciplines menu and use the f- keys it says on the icons there>f- keys don't work eitheris this why i used the scroll wheel for everything like a retard last playthrough
>the virgin Nomad: I'm le strong powerful Elder I don't need any stupid guns>the chad Serena: *cocks minigun*
>>724371492Anon, HTP has been going on for like 5 years now.
man, normal unarmed feels better than protean
I'm completely out of touch with the pirating scene so I don't know how to steal this game, but it looks like fucking shit.
>>724371552How do these posts still get serious replies I can hear you giggling as you type this
>>724371842I think some people don't understand Ysabella's art hoe mindset. I notice a bunch of people get their powers locked during the boss fight because they don't understand diplomacy when dealing with a woman horny for art and violence.
>>724372082just get the gog installer, if you must
>>724371748>I think if you iterated on it and threw a lot more options and enemy types in it could be genuinely good.I think if the game allowed for more ways to approach situations some of this could've also been alleviated. If stealth or dialogue had been a real option to dealing with quests, or if combat arenas had more gimmicks that effect how you interact with them, it would've gone a long way.
clowns REALLY dont know how to pirate? wtf
>>724371492It's not a parody, it's just a story in the setting about a family of hunters fucking around rual Britain.
>>724370617Bet of Night was just a pale immitation of Deb of Night where the writers aren't really funny or good at satire, so it just feels hollow.
>>724371552VTMB2 is way too fixated on trying to make the characters sound like real people.
>>724372242I don't fucking care. It's painfully unfunny and gives retards a false impression of what OWoD is.
>>724369482Outsource the environment textures nigga, not the fucking animations. What the fuck
>>724371842>No... Her whole plan was to live broadcast a massacre on the internet.The plan isn't the problem, you imbecile. It's the lack of consequences.
>>724369830is there anywhere I can listen to it?
What am I in for?
>>724372297It's been entertaining so far
Never played the original. The sequel looks interesting, based on the trailers. Is it worth checking out if I have no connection to the original? I've seen mixed reviews but most of the negative stuff comes from the game not being like the original.
>>724372396have fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01DvedkXcK4&t=769s
>>724367903Run back to town and get your blood up to full. It might be a good idea to use Awe and feed on different knights across the city. When you get back down there equip the bone weapon on Christof and buff both him and Wilhem with all of the buffs they have, especially Wilhem's Feral Claws. Then run in there and try to make sure that both characters aren't doing stupid pathfinding rather than fighting him. Heal with blood healing when necessary. Save after buffing so when you inevitably die a few times you can get right back into the fray. Everyone gets fucked by the mad monk. He might be the hardest boss because your characters are so shitty at that point.
>>724372483I think if you;A. Don't give a shit about VTMand B. Never played the originalThen yeah you can probably get some enjoyment out of it
>>724372183I haven't pirated a game since maybe 2010, but I stopped wasting time on games I didn't want to support in some way. Back then shit like piratebay was still reliable enough.
>>724372493already laughing, why is she trying to put on a seductive voice when she's that fat?
>>724368615Should I just pirate this game?
>>724372025>gap between episode 3 and 5 was like 3 yearsAGHHHH
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>>724369830Whose bright idea was it to let some fat community manager insert herself into the game?
>>724372297>gives retards false impressionsHardly makes any impression of what oWoD is other than base hunters are victims, seeing with how little gets explored of the other splats. Pyotr was rather well done too
>>724369775>“There are a lot of people who don’t want [combat] as their primary method of playing the game.Apparently, not a lot of people want walking simulator bullshit either.
>>724372683I'm sorry you're a faggot
>>724372409Mostly forgettable characters and a giant middle finger of an ending. Shadows is much better and Reckoning has half of a good storyline.
>>724372931You've no right to call anyone a faggot when you praise Alfabusa.
>>724372982It's good
>>724372968Can you skip to Shadows or is it a direct sequel?
>>724373108Sure, if you have dyed hair and a bluesky account.
>>724373127You'll miss out on the meaning behind some references but it's largely its own game.
Anyway, so when's the patch droppin'? Why aren't there more ex-TCR employees with gossip, too?
>>724371373Dementia
got jumpscared by the dinosaur again, ffs lol
>>724373264Listen man, you've clearly got some personal issues going on here so im going to stop responding to you.
>>724371969>is this why i used the scroll wheel for everything like a retard last playthroughIt's good to see I'm not the only one.
>>724371969Does it say Domination then Trance below it on the hotkey menu? Open console and type "bind 2" without the quotes to show you what the key is bound to. It should be "vhotkey #2" but if that doesn't show up your keybinds got deleted, which is what it sounds like.
>>724371969can anyone help me with this shit
>>724371842>Awesome twist.Unless you're actually retarded, by that point you should've already figured out she's at the very least involved with the Sabbat. It's a lazy and cheap attempt to throw you off.
>>724373564as soon as i ask>>724373532yeah, vhotkey #2
>>724373567The twist is that she isn't dead, and that her condescending tone makes my pee-pee hard.
>>724373567>>724373652Crashing out the window into the sunlight is absolutely kino.
>>724373652It's not a twist, it's a lazy and cheap attempt to throw you off.
>>724373689>>724373652Oh no, the blast haver is here.
https://youtu.be/JWyrn5iaahwModded the game; I completely changed the pipeline, and there’s actually a few cool mods to try out though I recorded this too early to show them off.There’s also a new optical scaler for ReShade that should deal with depth-buffer jitter, making ray tracing vastly more usable.I also got better at combat and I’m starting to figure out what works best. I just don’t want to do stealth.
>>724373625And it says Dominate with Trance below it like this and not just Dominate? Also you're using the num keys below the F keys and not the num pad?
>>724373879i had it fucking set on the right, assuming the weapon/discipline toggle would want it therethanks
be honest, his story was somewhat interesting
>>724373961no problem, boss
>>724373967judge?
>>724373865Entrancing Kiss is insane you can neutralize the strongest enemy, have him wipe weaker mobs, and set yourself up to finish him off.I think Possession is OP for the same reason, and it might even be rechargeable.The Losamba Flee ability is great super effective versus almost everything.There are a lot of good fourth abilities, but Mass Manipulation is just insanely strong. It’s an AOE stun on its own, and you can combine it with other tools to flat-out win fights.I think my list is still up in the air. with optimal melee combos slow down time and the invincibility power can be strong, slow time is bugged for some reason its really hard to feed or attack people which isn't supposed to be the case.
>>724373967the fact that all he did was mind rape two vampires while being stuck by rebar which i have no fucking clue or idea why the sabbat didn't pull him out anyways? the game story is so fucking dumb
>>724372493this sucks, they should've hired a real voice actor
>>724373879is it bad that i've played this games 5 times all the way through and i've never seen this menu even once?
It seems like you could try to save Fabien at some point in development. There doesn't really seem to be much of the thinblood plot left over.
>>724374564i use the scroll wheel too lmfao
>>724374564What refusing to RTFM or experimenting with the keybindings menu does to a motherfucker.It's okay, but now you know for next time.
>>724374564I think the tutorial might only quickly mention it. I didn't use it at first either but it makes combat a lot more fun especially if you have Disciplines with multiple abilities in them like Dominate. Then you can quickly select which ability to use faster and it makes combat flow better.
>>724375093but my scroll wheel covers everything.
>>724368615is it worth even pirating?
>>724375154Yeah it’s fun for a pirate, just do not expect an rpg
>>724375139It's a bit slower and less precise just using the wheel. Plus with the hotkeys you can instantly switch to specific weapons instead of needing to slowly go through the inventory.
>>724372242It's rapidly spiraling into the absolute cross-splat fustercluck with ludicrously long waits.
>>724371492>>724372297>>724372683>>724372982>>724373264can you stop bitching and moaning about a guy who you keep pretending you don't care about?
>>724375139Hey, if it works for you, that's fine. For clans with a lot of different disciplines, I actually just use the keybind that pauses the game and brings up the menu list.
>>724375283a few years back i appreciated when games started doing the >open up radial skill menu>game goes slow moi'd like a mod for that.
>>724370350one less chud for them to worry about I suppose
>>724375256wtf does that mean? some movie game horse shit and not in the good David Cage way?
>>724375590Nah it’s sorta a first person action adventure beat em up that is kinda sorta like dishonored…..and parts of the game actually are a walking sim
>>724369387Rik literally said he didn't think he would be able to get himself in the same mindset to deliver that same kind of music.You can clearly hear it on bloodlines too, let's just take a look at the Hollywood theme for example;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_3oo3RCGoThe music of a potential dream, broken to pieces, loneliness, depression and anger you can't manifest and lash out so you sit there and bottle it all in, with a very slight hint of hope that maybe, just maybe, tomorrow will be a better day.He composed it right after getting out of jail after a life of hardcore drugs, with basically no friends or connections after said jail release, and you can FEEL it, he was basically in that Hollywood hub, he lived through it.Unless you're a god tier artist you can't just shit this out on a whim, and maybe he couldn't/did not want to dive back into that mindset.
>>724375885yuck
>>724369387But all this shit sucks ass, mostly.It's so insanely generic.
>>724376173
I'm trying to find the John Dimaggio gangbanger death sound effects. Does anyone know where it is in the files?
>>724369387Shadows of New York had a pretty good soundtrack.https://youtu.be/k2SKnAzybFU
>>724368615Floating guns and trannies
>>724371691>why action sucks so much then.Action is the only thing that makes this trashheap somewhat interesting. The fluid movement options and surprisingly thought out melee combat really fucking stand out contrasted to everything else. They just need to get the guy that came up with the combat system and make him make a game of his own.The only thing that's really lacking is having to swap out abilities through the menu. If it had a wheel similar to dishonored it would've been better. That, and no reliable "kick" move. DMoMM already solved this issue, and with the amount of rooftop enemies, a reliable push would've worked wonders
The Safia twist would've worked a lot better if you discovered a decapitated head like all the other Rebar Killer death scenes. She could've just pulled off a head from one of the unborn ghoul guys and did that
>>724369387>Not bad, but kinda forgettable.that's how game OSTs seem in general these days and vtmb2 isn't any different. when they showed how they were creating the OST for 2 it wasn't that interesting either. though can still easily tell which tracks are rik's. that anarch theme feels really boring compared to hearing genitorturers.
>>724377635not having rik's banger combat music really twists my balls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmaEgu1zLcc
>>724377763love hearing this while climbing my way up the tower to lacroix
>>724377974my favorite one is crypts combat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-CiKnm0M9o
>>724369387Is this one of Schaffer's new one? I like it than most of the music in game, gives that vtmb 1 vibehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLKmD9jLMSA
i just want to become a chair
>>724378010yeah that's one of his. they also included my favorite unreleased song from bloodlines 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCdOlcPY4P0
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>>724368615>The thread discussing why the new VTMB game sucksUE 5 - looks meh with awful performance for the visuals.
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>>724378285do you think tzimisce make their cocks xbox hueg just once out of curiosity?
>>724377091really don't get how combat is good in this bitch, playing on Hard and most enemies have ranged weapons so they just shoot me from afar. Enemies dodge or knock me away constantly and its super easy to get stunlocked (well you can dodge but not attack) if fighting more than one at once. Dodging feels disorienting more than anything, and telekinesis is ok sometimes but on many levels its so dark you have to use batman vision to see anything you want to pickup, and why the fuck have ability to pull enemies toward you but not just disarm them or something...I ended up just using tremere blood boil + boom combo so i don't have to suffer this. Even avoved had better combat and it was generic as hell besides tomes.
>>724378412forgot to add that some retard thought it's a good idea to save on death, probably because masquerade death gives you -200 on every funko blood coin, but what ends up in reality is that if you use your abilities+potions and then die you respawn without any of it. How did they fucking miss that.
>>724378285remidned me of toilet man
>>724374230>mindnrape two vampires>twohe was fucking with fabian too, and likely made him perform the newer rebar killings to start his investigative cycle again. Its also entirely possible he was fucking with safira as well and drove her over the edge/got her in with the sabbat.
>>724378327probably some do. then maybe give it some eyes and a mouth.
>>724378739>mfw my cock has googly eyes
>>724378556Fabian doesn't have the Potence required to rip off a head or ram rebar through people, though. There's also the blackmail phone message left for the ghoul instructing him to leave the letter intended for Ysabella's ghoul There's not a single Vampire in the game that has access to Potence, Obfuscate and Domination which makes me think the killings never happened at all and were all just in your head.
>>724378412You have to learn to juggle and chain your abilities, it's similar to Dishonored/Bamham in a sense that you can set up a plan and then execute it on a room of enemies, blood curse, stealth assassinations and then kiss/pummel after sucking off some.
>so many memorable npcs in original bloodlines in bloodlines like the security guard, fat larry, and even that one random homeless npc yelling about the end of the world>literally not a single memorable npc in this pile of garbagehow did they actually fuck up this badly?
>>724377529The Safia twist wouldn't work at all anyway, because it's so fucking obvious she wasn't supposed to be a villain until a rewrite very late in development.
>>724369387A lot of the music, at least the memorable ones, were just reused music from Bloodlines 1.>>724378158I love that song as well. It's used in East LA by Clan Quest Mod. It was a good choice for Bloodlines 2, even if creatively bankrupt.
>>724378857we dont know who was doing the phone messages, and literally no one has a motive to start fabien on that investigation but gideon - fabien even mentions multiple times that its like someone is trying to tell him something.As for potence, if (in the rules set by the game at least) a ventrue ghoul can apparently rip someone's head off, I dont see why a baseline vamp couldnt do likewise.
>>724379273>Clan Quest Mod.I still applaud the CQM for its clever usage of fucking DOOM music of all things.
>>724369184>name looks like Subhuman VerminCan't even make this shit up
>>724379356In TT, you don't actually need Potence to gain superstrength. You can burn Blood Points to bump your strength to 5 dots, Potence just allows you to go beyond that.
>use a regular punch on some guy on the street>MASQUERADE BROKEN INSTANT DEATH
>>724373967vampire buda?
>>724379356All the deaths in the 1920s were committed during the day back when Campbell was a ghoul, he had all the time in the world to prop them up like that.The only exception to this being what happened to Isaac who I guess just got snuck up on and ended up staked with the rebar. You never find out or see his body
>>724379387Yeah, massive respect to that autist named Burgermeister. I played through CQM a few weeks prior to Bloodlines 2 release, which probably was a mistake. Did a Sabbat low humanity Ventrue. CQM is surprisingly competently done, with well-designed quests in East LA, that use skill checks in meaningful ways. Going into Bloodlines 2, I was expecting a linear game, but at least with the protagonist being a monster. Turns out, no, no low humanity vampire here.
>>724379090It's really funny when you think about it, the usual cope from TCR defenders when people point out that they suck at game mechanics and don't know anything about creating interesting gameplay is that at least they have great writing and characters, yet the first VtMB completely and utterly mog them on those. That's the one thing they're supposed to shine at but the 20 years old game exposes all their failures, there's no pretending otherwise, it's brutal.No wonder some "people" tried really hard to trashtalk the first Bloodlines before VTMB2 released. They knew they were cooked.
>Finish the game>make sure all factions are dead>state I'm going to be Prince twice>Fucking Tolly ends up being the Prince and Nomad is nowhere to be seenWhat the fuck is this ending
>>724379807More like yesmad lmao
>>724379838AYO
>>724378782Completely unrelated but I never get to tell this story and likely wont ever get the chance to again, so>be me>2003>wagie at EB Games>there were there nintendo jelly pop things at the time, my wife was either interested in them or otherwise they got discontinued and we just took em home, either way we had them>dicking around after work, are eating the pops, its fine, nothing special>the yoshi one (pic related) had little hard fondant eyeballs>pop them off>look at the eyeballs>the eyeballs are one unit with a little bit of slightly sticky gummy still stuck on it>idea>stick eyes on the head of my dick>dick now has cartoon eyes on it>looks like a dick muppet>it is the funniest shit we have ever seen>take a picture of dick muppet>months later do file sharing shit with a friend of ours>only realize later that the shared folder has the dick muppet pic in it>friend never brings it up>eventually lose contact with friend>we end up losing the picture in decades of swapped harddrives and new pcs.>not really sure if the friend had it though>dick muppet may still be out there somewhere
>>724379645I mean the RECENT rebar murders, the ones in 2024. we know who did the ones in the past. All of the recent ones were just humans - Raveena, Dale, and the rando by the autobody shop.
if it had a toreador loli then it wouldn't have been any less bad but at least it would have a 200 year old perverted loli in it
>>724379860you have to do it again and put an egg up your butt this time
>>724380228Swansong had a cute kid vampire. You should have bought Swansong so publishers had a "add more vampire kids" takeaway.
>>724377635The new composers do great work. I especially like Mike Lane's work. Schaffer's stuff is just bland and been-there, done that. Like he's trying (unsuccessfully) to recapture the past.
swansong is so boring
>>724380134Oh yeah also TCR has a fucking boner for "amnesiac is trying to find out who has done a horrible thing only to realize it was him," and fabien's brain has been fucked so hard he doesnt even remember that he sired a childe.
>>724379653My only issues are that CQM makes Andrei disappear after you get rid of his liutenants (I guess he has a sense of self-preservation after all) and that Sabbat has no problem with a Tremere PC being uncharacteristically eager to join the Sabbat. Yeah, it's not suspicious at all. But I guess doing a special route just for one clan was a bit too much.But I like how nobody in East LA cares about your Masquerade violations, because lol, Sabbat territory. That's a nice touch.
>>724379090>>literally not a single memorable npc in this pile of garbageEvery single NPC is memorable in the sequel, though.>>724379273>A lot of the music, at least the memorable onesNo, basically nothing was reused. It's literally three tracks out of a 40+ track soundtrack. There's more new (and bland) Schaffer music than reused stuff (3 vs 6 tracks). He's absolutely mogged by the new composers.
>>724380632IMO Fabien is inspired by Leysha from Swansong to some degree. Leysha is Halsey's childe, not the other way around. And her memories have been messed with for years.
>>724379090>>724379727Is there a single character from VTMB1 as charismatic and fuckable as Safia?
>>724381053VV is a lot more charismatic and fuckable. She also cares about your appearance (you know, like a RPG, woah!). Safia in Bloodlines 2 is written like a retard. You can go against her at every opportunity and she'll still instist on some theatrics about love between her and Phyre. Then she "dies" and Phyre is supposedly saddened by this, despite never liking her. Retarded writers couldn't imagine anyone not caring about their dumb OC.
>>724379090I thought the homeless characters in 2 like Reggie were a lot more interesting (and tragic) than the one-note jokes in 1.
>>724381151>VV is a lot more charismatic and fuckableVV feels like a stripper. She has a complete vacuum of authentic likeability.>She also cares about your appearance (you know, like a RPG, woah!).Actually, VTMB2 is quite specific that HUMANs care about appearance but vampires do not. That's what there's that whole mechanic with human NPCs reacting to the clothing you wear.>Then she "dies" and Phyre is supposedly saddened by this, despite never liking her. Sad on Fabien's behalf, really.
>>724381053Verona, my beloved. TCR will add the option to make you my ghoul, or I will egg their offices.
>>724381053pisha
>>724381291POUND MY ASS YOU BEAUTIFUL BITCH.
>>724381053Every single female character in the game. From Heather to Jeanette to Rosa to the random Giovanni bitches you talk to for 5 minutes.
>Mogs the entire cast of the franchise.How does he do it?
>>724381230>VV feels like a stripper. She has a complete vacuum of authentic likeability.Strippers (and other sex workers in general) are usually the most authentic women out there, especially outside the job. You also didn't ask about authenticity, but charisma and fuckability, which VV surpasses safia by a mile.>Actually, VTMB2 is quite specific that HUMANs care about appearance but vampires do not. That's what there's that whole mechanic with human NPCs reacting to the clothing you wear.Not a stat, as clothing is a item that can be changed at will. It's effect is also miniscule and only "useful" for the stupid resonance minigame.Vampires also care about appearance, or have you never played VtM or any of the games in the IP? Retarded tourist.
>>724379214I have two major issues with the story1) why did safia have to stick her fake dead body at very pit of the conservatory? If the nomad was so integral to her plan, sending him into a fucking death trap just to further stoke his anger at the sabbat isnt necessary at all. Stick the corpse closer to the entrance with a handful of unbirthed nd leave some paperwork saying the whole thing is a sabbat plot.2) fabien figures out that not only is lou behind pretty much every major cammy death in the city in the last 130 years, including his sire, her OWN sire, and the majority of her own court, but also that he has found this out multiple times and keeps getting mind-wiped. How about TELL SOMEONE ELSE. TELL TOLLY. TELL SAFIA. TELL KATSUMI, OR SILKY, FUCK IT TELL EVERYONE. WRITE IT FUCKING DOWN SOMEWHERE.Go to the justicars FIRST, let them known you had been dominated literally more times than you remember and see what else can be done to corroborate the evidence. Get a senior nos in there to be a fly on the wall. Get a stronger ventrue in to compel them to tell the truth. Fuck man dont just confront them solo, whats keeping them from just taking your fucking head?
Not enough people played vtmr. Yeah the combat is pretty ass, especially towards the end (just like in vtmb), but the atmosphere and writing is great.
>>724381408They all pale in comparison to Ysabella and the immensely fuckable Mrs. Thorn.
>>724381535>How about TELL SOMEONE ELSE. TELL TOLLY. TELL SAFIA. TELL KATSUMI, OR SILKY, FUCK IT TELL EVERYONE. WRITE IT FUCKING DOWN SOMEWHERE.He seemingly did. That's why his contacts were being killed. The issue is one of proof. Tolly probably already knows. But he has no proof.
>>724381667Whatever you say, shill.
>>724381705You will never be edged by a hot, bored, granny Tremere in her parlor.
They'd totally fuck up Geist if they made a game of it
>>724381053>She isn't romanceable >But a sweaty biker and and an old hag are >Hookers are very plain looking and not so different from plain female homeless NPCs>You encounter gigolos crushing way more often than hookers and and they don't brother to even make them hot or flashy at least >they look like a generic ugly gay hairdresser or an ugly Ken doll>Hookers and gigolos have depressing dialogues like they need a customer asap to play their rent T-thanks the Chinese Room
>>724382013The game has a miserable outlook on both sex and blood drinking. Blood dolls are portrayed as sad and tragic, and the fact it FEELS SO FUCKING GOOD is glossed over. It feels like an anti-blood doll PSA rather than the sly celebration of depravity that it should be.
>>724368615Why it sucks is because it's cookie cutter game, nothing really exciting in it.
>fentanyl addicts are portrayed as sad and tragic, and the fact it FEELS SO FUCKING GOOD is glossed over.
heh
>>724382203I wasn't aware that taking fentanyl made you super strong and, if you're willing to rotate fentanyl sources, basically immortal with no downsides.
Interesting thought. Was Santiago always Campbell/Lou? Because if so, who was this in the dev diaries? I wonder if originally you actually saw Santiago in person.
>>724382281Killing her is a very bad move. You should embrace that chocolate drop.
>>724382395hunters get shit + i'm an elder
>>724381871They could make a game called Gayest and base it on your life however
>>724375154Sure. If you like vampires. I spent full price for it, and while I was annoyed with parts I don't regret the experience over all.
>>724382454His origin is he died in a gas station cigarette explosion while he was sucking dick in the bathroom
>>724382496lole
If you sire mother hen and then choose to lie to Ryong about it, they somehow instantly know Phyre is lying. If they're so good at detecting liars why did none of them ever question Safia like that
Can you NOT be the sheriff after Benny? I delivered the guy to Ryong but even though I spoke negatively about the role they made me one.Same with Safia, her apparent death was supposed to be a tragedy that the player was also supposed to care about but during whole game I was an ass to her and even then Phyre made a few remarks about what a loss it was etc.
>>724381291Verona was weird though. Like, she talks with a deep southern accent but she looks straight out of Hongcouver? Initially I thought it was a bug, but she's so prominent a character it has to be deliberate. I guess despite having "daddy's money all the way back to the plantation" the southern gentlemen weren't adverse to an asian wife, or two.Anyway, agreed. Not being able to ghoul her or take her as a blood doll was a travesty.
>>724382660>If you sire mother hen and then choose to lie to Ryong about it, they somehow instantly know Phyre is lying.I believe Tolly told her. Tolly is a little shit. He was almost certainly the one leaking information to the IAO in the first place.>>724382667No, unfortunately, and it's a problem. I have to assume that Paradox simply refused to give them funding for two major story paths, one where you work with the anarchs, one with the camarilla. So you're shoved down this camarilla path. And it's annoying because yea, you can be a little bitch about it, but you still have to do what poor Ryong says. The fact you can't slap Lou stupid for dominating Ryong annoyed me. I am so much older than this stuck-up bitch, and if she thinks she can speak to MY PRINCE like that in my presence, her fat ass has another think coming.
It seems glass bottles are one of the main weaknesses of vampires
>skibidi toilet will remember that>dies 5 seconds laterThanks telltale.
>>724382708Two things people REALLY seem to want.>Have a ghoul.>Side with Safia.And hopefully we get them.
>>724378531toilets endings are best
>>724382768Yeah I was pushing around Lou as well,I wish you got rid of your mark before the tower to get some power fantasy as an elder where you slapped the shit out of thin-bloods and whatnot. You are an Elder but you certainly don't play like one.
>>724370535nigger that aint chub, thats fucking whale blubber. you can power half a dozen of walls of light with that thing alone.
Does anyone here know much about WOD lore? Can you just learn disciplines from other vamp bloodlines as if its no biggie? Only played bloodlines 1 before.
>>724382871lmao this shit looks so gay
>>724382936>Can you just learn disciplines from other vamp bloodlines as if its no biggie?You have to drink the blood of a mentor from that clan. So basically how VTMB2 shows it.
>>724382986VTMB2 is based on V5, and what they do actually follows the rules. Whether V5 is shit or not is a different matter, but it is line with the tabletop.
>that fucking Skyrim: VTMB mod will actually be better than VTMB 2kekImagine the mods.
>>724382936Yes, you can actually. That's been a thing since time immemorial. As per Revised/V20 rules, you can "buy" additional disciplines that aren't a default to your clan by burning your skill points. You just need to give the ST a good argument as to how you got to know them. The general rule is that the more "basic" the discipline (Potence, Auspex, Celerity) the easier it is to learn them. Also, some disciplines are flat out verboten, like Thaumaturgy, Viccisitude or Obteneration, because lore-wise, Tremere or Tzimisce aren't stupid enough to share their secrets with outsiders.So "I eventually figured out how to use Potence on my own" will fly. "I had a trusted Nosferatu friend that taught me Obfuscation" will fly as well. "I figured out the secrets of Thaumaturgy", no, that's bullshit.
About to finish my second and a half run (first run Assamite, did SI ending, rolled back, left Seattle, and now going for a Lasombra run, going to stay).While I'm very disappointed in how litttle significant, non-cosmetic variations the game offers to your choices, I must say I'm somewhat impressed by a reputation system that can allow me to have exactly the same conversation with Ryong near the end - give strictly the same answers - yet have very different reactions because of the differences in how I behaved throughout the game.Overall, while I personally had a good time with it, game makes me sad because I do think there is a /good/ game in there, the chore design is very solid with a few good ideas too, it's the execution that too rarely lives up to the potential, leaving you with the moments where it did and a overall mediocre experience.The game does confirm my suspicion that TCR doesn't know how to write for the medium.(Dear lord, that new type of captcha is not a bother at all)
>>724369830this is what their target audience looks like
>>724383938>the chore design is very solidfreudian slip.
>>724383108Checked v20, it's the same there as well.
>>724383938please do not say assamite
>>724368615I'm surprised settites never appeared as Villians in any of the games except Redemption
>>724384017Because they are just ridiculously situational, just like the Ravnos. Egyptian vamps are cool and all, but in how many scenarios can you use them?Also, CQM had a Setite chick as one of your Sabbat contacts.
>>724384000I smiled, but I think it's more auto-correct and me posting against wisdom before breakfast. You should have seen the staggering amount of typoes in the first draft.I do mean what I said when I said I had a good time with the game. It's just not one I would recommend in a vacuum.>>724384014Nah, Assamite it is. At some point you need to get mature enough to own up to the fact that VtM was a very adolescent game with some very naff stuff in it. And you can love it neither because nor in spite of it.
I wish i too got covid so i could have no taste and enjoy dogwater games.
>>724372493holy shit you can hear how fat she is
>>724384370Don't worry with the hazy intellect and complete lack of standards in communicating with others on display here, you don't need to worry about your tastes. No one does.
>>724372493>"Welcome to the fridge of night, your favorite after midnight snack provider, guaranteed to leave you with regrets in the morning, wondering why you'd poke your nose inside, when the only snack you get, won't leave you satisfied and might will ruin your whole night. First caller, you're on.">"Hey Fridge, this is Pierce, I'm a big fan of your big curves.">"My curves aren't that big. Thank you for calling. Next caller.">"Who are you kiddin'? They need two busses to show you, because one is just overflowing with your massive, fat, enormous a-">"Hey Fridge. I am Aaron.">"Hey Aaron, any insights on this cold night? Maybe we can, mmmhhh, make a sexual inuendo, if you catch my drift.">"Uh, I want to say that I am a depressed and bad white man that is evil and don't deserve to breed! TO BREEED! BREEEEEEEEEED WITH ME FRIDGE OF NI-">"Woah, what a loon, White guys, am I right? I'll be back after a short commercial break.... Jerry, I'm gonna take a shit, those fucking taccos were bad I fucking to-">"Are you sad? Are you depressed? *Chinese music starts playing* join communism! See your antifa manager today! Antifa, never too sad to not be gay.">"Mom, may I have some ice cream, please?">"No, dear, dinner is almost done, you'll have to wait until after.">"Have you too endured and suffered under far right extremists in your family? *chinese music starts playing* Join communism and show them chuds what a gender studies degree can do!"Why is this game so fucking gay?
>>724372493>local Seattle radio station>nearly every caller has a European accentThe person voicing Bet actually doesn't have an accent herself if you listen to the interview, but she's putting on an affectation trying to sound like Deb and pronounces some shit with a bad enunciation.
i miss deb
>>724385036>you don't talk so good with people so you don't deserve to have an opinion on video gamesStupid fuck. Your game failed. Tell your employer that shilling on 4chan isn't worth it, you aren't convincing anyone.
she's balding (also wtf is this gif)
>>724368615>no clan specific appreance/accessoires/hair styles/etc.>bugs out of the ass>half the masteries are useless or don't work at all>despite Seattle looking good you never really take it in because "hurr flying on rooftops" to cut down the massive amount of backtracking>plebbit detective>plebbit Nos>no og Nos cameo>no Caine cameo>no sex specific clothing changesMan, pic related never hit as hard as in this piece of shit.
i liked the battle royale game
>>724386502>no Caine cameoConsidering how WW has tried to retcon away the fact that the taxi Driver was Caine in the original Bloodlines, they were never going to let someone use him agein
>>724384314cant say i understand you. i dropped it roughly before the second fabien segment, after i realised going to sleep again would mean that shit i just never wanted to start the game again.i did the sidequests for that day and they were all dogshit. i did a little of the skill leveling and it was all fucking dogshit because no skill is worth anything. i did all the combat necessitated by the quests and it was all ... dogshit because the combat in the game is irredeemable on a mechanical level.the only fun i had in the game came from the atmosphere, which is barely skin deep because the city most resembles papier mache, and some of the dialogues which were serviceable. and it wasnt hard to realise this wasnt enough to want to drudge through the dreck.
>>724385975Best I can do is Fat of Night
>>724382667T A R A N T I N OS T Y L E
>>724372493That's the sort of voice that makes you want to greet the sunrise.
she's FAT
https://files.catbox.moe/oxs4fh.mp3does my poopy music give vtmb vibes?
>>724389432i don't wanna listen to poopy music
>>724389459but i pooped so hard to make those sounds...
He's such a cutie patootie.
>>724368615SEX SEX SEX SEXXX
>>724389432no, it's way too quantized and flat, and it all sounds like default midi synths. the brooding pad at the start is an ok base to work from, it should be the prominent thing with some more interesting ambient layers and chord progression.everything else should be kind of clouded out behind it, except maybe a melodic line, which could be a synth but more VTMB vibe if it's like a jangly guitar lick. if you listen to the VTMB music it all sounds kind of like a bridge or outro from some Radiohead song. way more acoustic elements, sort of meandering behind a thick ambient pad or strings. the drums are either incidental like fills fading in and out, or a steady groove. use loops and sample instead of programming them like some EDM thing.
>>724391038Ah someone who actually understands music. Please tell me what you mean by too quantized and flat, I'm a noobish beginner at this. I was writing a passage in C# Phrygian dominant for a trance track and thought it reminded me of VTMB a bit.
>>724391038>>724391296Oh yeah also the pad is the only custom synth patch I made, the rest are presets.
>>724373689It's fucking stupid in the context of the lore though
>>724386395>huddyvonscholopEverythiing makes so much sense when you take a glimpse at the people running the show at Wod, it's the most unholy combination of lack of talent, cringe forced geekness, extreme virtual signalling, self-referential in the most limiting ways, insular, unself-aware, it's pathetic and sad to see the potential squandered.
>>724389432I'm not an expert like anon, but it sounds too fast and upbeat to me, the beginning sounds like something out of Perfect Dark almost, it has some darkness in it, but gives more action vibes than anything else.
>>724391296quantized means all the notes are perfectly on time, like a grid. it sounds inorganic and robotic, though it can be desirable depending on what you wanna achieve. depending on your software, there are probably groove/swing settings you can apply to your notes, which will throw them "off time" slightly in a way that sounds natural and groovy. drums playing slightly behind the tempo can give you that lazy lo-fi groove which is common on the VTMB soundtrack. when i say flat, it cover a whoooole lot of things. compression and side-chain compression can give your track more of a heart beat, with the loudness of certain things either punching out more, or dipping behind other elements. it could be EQ to pronounce or cut out certain frequencies, drastically changing the sound.reverb is another one, a big hall reverb for example will make things push back in the mix but it also includes panning left/right and many other things to make the track more dynamic. music theory wise its fine and you probably know more than me. i know more DAW stuff, but only a little guitar and piano. for random unspecific quick tips i like this youtube channel, but there are plenty of others to study; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDmLr-uHP40
>>724391983Thanks for the link anon. The production/mixing side is something I'm even more ignorant about I just turned on the default compressor in Cubase for each individual track. I'll definitely look into my DAW's settings for making stuff slightly off tempo.
the grandma is a cutie
>>724370835>similar to dead island 2No its fucking not, i know its you shill, i recognize your writing patterns
>>724368615Johnny Silverfang being in your head kills replayability. His gameplay sections especially.
>>724373967How did he not go full beast?
>>724378857>not a single vampire in the game with access to DominateLou and Campbell explictly use it MULTIPLE times
>>724392551Parts of VTMB2 give me huge Dead Island 2 Haus DLC vibes. Especially the camarilla tower interior.
>>724392663>Johnny Silverfang He's not a werewolf anon, that would have been more interesting than just a quirky malk
>>724368615Game crashed right at the end of the second main quest, when I reload it crashes again. My latest non-autosave save is from yesterday and it's now crashing too. Fuck this game.
>>724392663he made even just rewatching the trailers feel annoying lol
>>724392772he achieved Golconda in the 1910sThere is no evidence to support that, but it's really the only argument I could think of
>>724381704Yes, Tolly knows Fabien is the copycat killer and actively teases him about it
>>724382285Thats ghouls, not blood dolls. Blood dolls JUST get drained, because even that is apparently like reverse-cumming heroin straight into your dickhole. Apart from the euphoria from the bite there is no other upside, and a serious risk of you getting fully exsanguinated if your given licks dont wait long enough or just happen to not care whether or not they fully drain their human capri sun all the way this time.
>>724380632Who's the Childe?
It was obvious Lou and Cambell were going to be the real villains with lou shitting on the communist and cambell being a white cis man.
>>724381871They'd fuck up any gameline if they adapted it
>>724393964Random pregnant woman who only exists for two scenes. One where you're wondering who she is and another 3 second scene that confirms Fabien embraced herAt least it's kinda horror-y to contemplate a vampire who is eternally pregnantGame's writing is unironically this shit all the way through btw
>>724392772Safira apparently discovered him decades ago, too fucked to actually remove but alive, so he was probably in torpor, not just staked and waiting.
>>724394212Why was everyone after her in the 20s? It's not like her child would have been a revenant since she herself wasn't a ghoul
Why do so many of thse vampires just look like normal people.
>>724382708>Anyway, agreed. Not being able to ghoul her or take her as a blood doll was a travesty.We must be better men, Nomad.
>>724382395I thought that embracing her would let me control the hunters to kill the other vampires and take over, but apparently it's the opposite, you have to kill her so they go final solution on the Seattle vampires.
>>724393189>Replace Silverhand with a Garou>He sounds exactly the same except occasionally throwing in "by Gaia" and "Gaia blessed"Sounds rather kino
>>724394212That's rather freaky but I assume it literally never comes up again and no one brings up the ramifications of it >>724394548The only Vampires that aren't normal people in VtM are the Tzimisce (by choice) and the Nosferatu because they're cursed. Everyone else is just a normal guy but with retractable fangs
Playing this for the first time. Good shit and enjoyable so far
>>724394548Why wouldn't they look like normal people? Vampires come from humans. Humans largely look average. Thus the term average.
Why aren't there "good" Tzimisce who focus on healing?
Shills should be forced to publicly disclose who paid them and how much on each of their posts.
>>724395012Because Vicissitude is an alien mind parasite from another dimension
>>724395012Because vampires are evil.>But I wanna be a good vampire!A lot of vampires do and that lasts for all of about one month(maximum) before they realise they literally cannot resist the call to perform evil acts.
>>724394063It was obvious Lou was going to be a villain when she had big boobs.
sovl
>>724394906My wife Julia...>>724395012There was a character sheet in one of the books for a plastic surgeon Tzimisce.
I think the writing is at least passable - the quality of the prose itself is generaly good - but it's clearly writen for a purely linear medium.TCR doesn't know what to do with a medium that gives the audience choices and non-linear access to data. There's some simple stuff they could have done to make the pacing better while adding to replayablity, but given how the game is set up, I wonder if it even crossed their minds.I won't be suprised to learn that the last year push to add Fabien also ended up making the game an amalgamation of things they wanted to do and things they added in panic mode to try and placate the fans.>>724394063Forest for the trees. The issue with Lou mentioning communists (and later Hitler and Stalin when talking about cutting the hydra head) isn't that she's anti leftist, it's that she's obsolescing in terms of world views.The main issue isn't that she's evil, it's that she's icompetent but powerful enough to survive it unless she drags everyone else along with her.
>>724395281>My wife Julia...She is based. My first time playing as a Lasombra too and it's fun. They really are just a better Ventrue
>hey we have DLC planned!>the first two are side-stories where you play the worst fucking characters in the game aside from a flamboyantly gay muppetZERO fucking desire to play those DLCs, fuck I cant think of ANY side characters that are worth examining. Apart from maybe Niko, Silky might be worth a look just to see what the fuck's up with the apparent werewolf book club.
>>724394723Oh did I borke my game state by killing her? I figured letting a hunter into our circle was retarded
>>724369830why are people so comfortable being this fat, you can even cheat and use ozempic to lose weight
It's probably an overhang from when she wasn't really a Tremere, but the collectable character card for Safia in the Premium Edition says that she has Protean. (Which would explain how she could alter the appearance of the mummified fledgling to look like her.)
>>724395514>I figured letting a hunter into our circle was retardedEmbracing normal hunters is a bad idea. Embracing a fed? Terminal retardation. There's no reason as to why she shouldn't go inform her superiors. Feds would be a lot more open to having a superhuman agent working for them. Being a state-sanctioned vampire would solve 90% od issues that come with vampirism.>Steady supply of blood and cash >No need to interact with vampires outside of killing them >Get to have a position of power
>>724394892>>724394937Their supposed to be dead, you could tell a vamp from the regular NPCs in the previous game from their eyes or skin. This is just fucking lazy.
>>724395501Benny is interesting because he has complex stuff going on with his sire, Max. Benny seems kinda sad and lost. And Ysabella is odd because Verona seems to think that she didn't used to be nuts like this. So I am interested in learning more about them, although frankly it's content that should have been inserted into the main story. We should have visited Atrium 45 mins into the game, hung out with Ysabella, gotten some foreshadowing that something wasn't quite right, then 4 hours later the place is a human sacrifice shitshow.The game really needs to be fleshed out with character interactions BEFORE those characters are directly involved in the plot.
>>724369830I don't get why they're making her the face of VtM and WoD in general. Pretty sure her looks repelled more potential new WoD fans than attracted.
>>724368615Fabien talks too much, and there wasn't an opportunity to bully the sheriff who bothers you at the beginning of the game. How the fuck does this game even have mixed reviews?
>>724395514>I figured letting a hunter into our circle was retardedThe thing that kills me is the fake binary choice of eithrer killing or embracing. There are so many other options on the table. At the very least: she has 6-8 weeks to live. Let her die.The game is peppered that way with choices that are so limited in scope as being inconsequent, or even worse absurd.I can't think of a single tabletop player that wouldn't have been immediately suspicious of Safia. But you have no option to play a Nomad that sees it coming. Which ties into the issue of an Elder fantasy in which you're too often writen as barely as savy as your usual neonate.>>724395820V5. It's viscissitude.
>>724396001Benny's probably a closeted gay and Ysabella well probably manipulated by far right MGGA
>>724396545Probably? It's basically spelled already.
>>724394906It's good. Your choices matter but only to some degree. There are 5 choices in the game that will give you a good girl or a bad girl points. Depending on how much you have each, you'll get a "good" or a "bad" ending.
>>724386395>neck is almost fused into the bodyJesus
>fix crashing save by reinstalling everything>make it through boring fabien chapter>immediately crash again>even starting the game now crashes itfuck this shit, i'm done
Why is tolly allowed to just walk around in public?
>>724397052v5 ruined nossies
>>724369184Even your favorite From Shitware has diarrhea slop all over their game.
>>724397052In spite of his claims, do we know that normal humans can see him, and if they do that they can see him as he actually looks?
>>724397052because in the current year there are critters that can shock a nosferatu, and they walk the streets freely.
>>724397052Nossies aren't insanely ugly anymore, just ugly enough to be uncanny but not ugly enough to be repulsive>>724397143V5 was a mistake almost entirely
>>724395968That was just character design and trying to make them stand out, vampires typically pass as mortals unless you know what to look for or they're feeding/in a frenzy
>>724397447>Nossies aren't insanely ugly anymore, just ugly enough to be uncanny but not ugly enough to be repulsiveI don't mind the change because I think having just nosferatu clones is lazy so as long as they're creepy enough I don't mind. I don't like the general hunchback look that a few of them have though in VTMB2. They have to look unnatural and supernatural
>>724395426Lou is pretty much Lacroix if he actually had a stable power base and wasnt retarded enough to run the kindred equivalent of a alliance ponzi scheme with every other competing faction in city, thinking that doing something as SUICIDALLY unwise as diabliarizing a fucking antediluvian would give him enough power to cover his heavily overextended bets.Lacroix would burn the entire city down to rule over the ashes, Lou ACTUALLY DID exactly that and was more than prepared to do it again if she had to.
>>724397759>Lou is pretty much LacroixLouCroix :OOO
>>724397759>Lacroix would burn the entire city down to rule over the ashes, Lou ACTUALLY DID exactly that and was more than prepared to do it again if she had to.I love that way of putting it.
>>724396471>There are so many other options on the tableMy immediate thought was to make her a ghoul. Not 100% on the lore there but it extends life and has no other external signs, she could absolutely stay in power and redirect the hunters elsewhere, or just prioritize key targets and leave the others alone.
>>724397759She was also insanely petty and sadistic. Im reasonably sure the only reason issac died (immediately after enbracing his replacement) was that he refused to embrace that senator's wife that didnt laugh at her joke or whatever the fuck. Frankly I dont know why she wasnt staked for the fucking sun by SOMEBODY as soon as she """""retired.""""
>>724398354Despite not being that old I got the impression they were implying that Lou is somehow REALLY strong as a vampire. Maybe she stole some Sabbat artifacts or diablerized some people
>>724396162>Fabien talks too much, and there wasn't an opportunity to bully the sheriff who bothers you at the beginning of the game.You can bully him, though. (If you're a Ventrue.)
>>724368967wow just like this board
>>724397717The hunchback look I think is because TCR and HSL didn't know how to do V5 nos but there's plenty of ways to make them ugly that isn't a hunchback
>>724399465wish they went more for the Orlock look ,but that probably just considered a stereotype at this point
>>724396471Its weird since you have multiple dialogue options with Nomad who goes "theres something wrong with Safia shes sus" and then somehow hes surprised shes the twist villain
>>724396471>>724400204The fact you can't call Lou out at the end for using domination on Ryong is insane, you are literally stronger than her and the sheriff, that shit shouldn't pass, then you are forced to go on some stupid quest and act completely out of character just so they can call your stupid (ruining damsel by making her look like a man btw) just so they can set up their "brilliant" ending.
>>724399109I think it might just be that she's pretty strong relative to the other seattle kindred by dint of the fact that she killed pretty much every senior member of her court 100 years prior. She's pretty used to being the oldest vampire in the city, to the point where she calls the nomad a youngster and he has to remind her that he is both older and stronger than she is.
Listening to the OST right now, some tracks I don't think I even heard in game.From a gameplay standpoint, things I don't understand: - The passives of other clans should have been accessible /only/ when you've bought every of their active powers, same as base. As is, they're a no-brainer investment. Especially those that fasten refills- The human NPCs that keep repoping fully charged in resonance would have been useful as a tutorial of sort. But they keep repoping, and SO fast they make the hunting sub-systems, which are pretty simple but could have been a decent diversion between fights, totally useless.It's like they couldn't balance things and just went "fuck it all".>>724400204Weirdly enough at some points, the game offers you options it will then disregard when they get in the way of The Story. Which makes one wonder; why give the option in the first place?
>>724400730>why give the option in the first place?the illusion of choice
nevar forget the chechnya incident of 2018
>>724400986I'm still confused why Paradox even cared
>>724400817Very ill crafted if so. The whole point of giving the illusion of choice is that the victim doesn't realize it's been tricked.
>>724381053>>724381291>every single female character the shills post is completely covered, not even a hint of cleavage and their faces are completely plain and boring compared to the variety you get in the first gameIs there a single good thing about this game?
>>724401083why they cared about what was happening there or why they cared enough to disavow what was written?
>>724400506>you can't call Lou out at the end for using domination on RyongWhat would that accomplish? Its pretty clear in that very scene that the only person with any authority over her (Ryong) cant do a thing to her without getting dominated, and she's used ryong to set up a blood hunt timebomb you have to go run and unfuck. Had it not been for Safia's bullshit taking priority, dealing with Lou would have been number two on the list, and she became number two on the list again once you woke up.
>>724401872The latter, the writers just wanted to be edgy and reference current events, but I'm still not sure why Paradox cared enough about the backlash to dismantle White Wolf
>>724402067you are a 500 years old Elder master of all disciplines, you are the fucking Sheriff and someone is trying to dominate the Prince, Lou has zero authority, you should be bitchslapping her
>>724402067>>724400506Its still pretty stupid, and this is after we've learned Lou and Campbell were responsible for the killings and Fabien's, cooperating with her makes no sense besides moving the plot
>>724402264Vtm always has referenced current events at the times each book was released. Its always intended to take place RIGHT NOW. If V6 comes out the Camarilla will probably let members use social media again and flood the internet with AI bullshit to confuse the SI
>>724395250They should have done their own version of NG Resonance.
>>724368615which clan should I play in VTMB 1? ive already done malk and venture. Im thinking toreador or tremere.
>>724404197Nos so you can listen to all the NPCs tell you how ugly you are
>>724404330isnt nos hard mode?
>>724404394nopeople greatly exaggerate itNossies can still speak to pretty much every notable NPC in the game, you get infinite bloodpoints from sewer rats, and you literally have to be close enough to touch an NPC to get a masquerade violationyou can freely run around on the surface as long as you don't bump unnamed NPCs, you just need to use the sewer for hub transitions and alternate entry to the tower
>>724404790alright i'll try it. never gone a non-charisma type character so should be new.
>>724404868its funny
>>724404868nosferatu get free dialogue checks sometimes and it's usually pretty entertaining
>>724405368huh, wasnt he supposed to die from a heart attack after seeing you?
Werewolf the Apocalypse is pretty cool, I wish ecoterrorists were real
>>724403083>>724403746If you were up to your full strength and could render Lou a titty donut with a single thrust, yeah obviously the second she pulls some shit she should have been fucked (which she was the second the limiter came off once you defeated safira), but at the state you're in before that youre still somewhat vulnerable, and could probably take Lou, but probably not before she got a "The nomad is an enemy kill him!" out to Ryong.The story does have some holes in it, but there are definitely some ways to excuse it.
>>724406205that's the diner ladyChunk is just immediately hostile to you outside the gallery and won't let you into the tower
>>724406805oh yeah. been a while.
>>724395648body positivity taught people to be vile, so pharmaceutical companies can get them on 19 pills to keep their meat alive.
Bump
>>724408838threads been autosage
>>724368615I'm gonna be honest, I don't know why people are acting like VTMB2 is the worst thing ever. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a very solid game that will probably be made better via patches and DLC.>fast-paced, combo-based combat that makes you feel like you're actually a vampire>addictive parkour that incentivizes you to find the most optimal path of traversal without being spotted, leaping across rooftops is fucking fun>really cool abilities that you can unlock from various clans and chain together into crazy combos, again making you feel like you're playing a superior vampire fighting noobs>cool lore expansion with the Seattle Camarilla being unique in that they have a position called the Secret Keeper, Nosferatu are tolerated and even welcomed by the Camarilla, and you get to explore how an Elder integrates with and navigates modern Kindred society>the city of Seattle is rich and fun to traverse, there are little details and Easter eggs to be found everywhere, and the Underground is one of the coolest locations in any game I've ever played>story is very intriguing with a nice noir flavor to it, and the voice performances are top notch>the Fabien sections break up the regular gameplay before it can get monotonous and further enhance the murder mystery feeling of the story>Fabien is also just a great, fun character, perfect representation of a MalkavianThe biggest complaints I see are the lack of RPG elements and the poor variety of side quests. I am disappointed by those myself, but you can skip the side quests with no real issues, and the game was simply designed to be a character action RPG rather than a traditional RPG like the first game.Judged on its own merits, this is probably a 7-8/10 for me. It's not perfect, it could be better, but I'm having a shitload of fun playing it and I'm about to start my third playthrough.
>>724409241based shill
>>724409241Fuck off blast haver
>>724409241Not worst, just disapointing, the worst would belong to Veilguard, which shares many points in common with vtmb2
>>724409241>it's good because the gameplay is shit and gets broken up by more shit>it's good because you can skip the shitty side quests so they're actually not a problemI know this is probably a shitpost and/or a pasta but die anyway
>>724409241>I'm about to start my third playthrough.it was 10/10 bait until this line, you went too far here, no one would be able to play this game 2 times in a row with those Fabien segments let alone 3 times.
>>724409241All bait aside, I'd just like to point out that the part where the underground opens up into giant ancient ruins is stolen from Evil WestWhich incidentally is a great game that does action combat with fun abilities 100x betterAlso the "DLC will fix it" shill talking point always makes me laugh because the only planned expansions are 100% walking sims
>>724409781There are cretins out there who unironically love the Fabien shit and insist that there's replay value because you can get a few different dialogue options in certain conversations.
>>724409241tldr
>>724409874>the only planned expansions are 100% walking simsAren't they centered on complete non-characters too? The obnoxious fag who was the first boss and some other bitch>>724409883Based zoomer
Can someone explain to me what was the point of the pregnant vampire?You just find her, discover that Fabian embraced her out of guilt/whatever, and then she just disappears from the story.That woman has been a Malkavian with a dead/undead baby inside her for 80 years...just hiding and doing nothing. It's so fucking weird
>>724378327Yes, it's canon lmao. Read Eternal Hearts.
>>724409947The writers just forgot about her. It was supposed to be a big moment in Fabien's story but it wasn't because>nobody gives a fuck about Fabien>everybody hates the Fabien sections and nobody pays attention to them>there was no buildup whatsoever
>>724409947DUDELE FUCKED UP PAST THAT THE MC DOESN'T REMEMBERLMAOWelcome to The Chinese Room. BAFTA award-winning writing btw >>724409945Benny is interesting because his mouth is better animated than anything else in the game
>>724409241>Judged on its own merits, this is probably a 7-8/10 for me.Mostly agreed. It's not a game I would recommend in a vacuum, it has apparent faults on top of the genre switcheroo, but it's pretty decent and I personally - dare I say it? - had a blast playing it.I think, as is often the case after those too long waits - the negative reaction is severly magnified by the disappointment. Which is fair enough, I guess.>>724409781Did two and half back to back myself to test out reactivity, not as unlikely as you'd think.>>724409882I don't much like the execution of Fabien (they were too light into him being the copycat killer; want too much for you to like him), but (coming from the tabletop) I do think the idea of his psychometry being him having a conversation with objects was great. If overused/somewhat failed in execution.I'm kinda wary that it's going to be emulated in years to come, playing in clubs.
>>724410450>had a blast playing it.I'm sure your wife's boyfriend was having a blast with her while you were having a blast with this shit game.
>literally all that we know is coming not just for VtM but WoD game wise is a disco elysium clone also in dev hellGrim
i've never actually kept her around as long as possible, let's see what happens
>>724410183So many things about the "mysteries" feel so brain-dead after finishing the game.> "What? Are you saying that the ex-prince and her ghoul (Lou apparently being the only Venture that remembers that Dominate is the bread and butter of the clan, and a ghoul the only possible being that can both walk on the daylight, have a pulse and super strength) are the killers!?"> "What!? The spooky blood magic mark on my body (it may as well have a "A WARLOCK DID THIS! xD" written on their back) was made by Safia!? The only Tremere aside from the Old Lady that never left her coffee shop!?"And the loose threads just get ignored (like who exactly did the new murderers).The plot only works because every kindred on Seattle has brain damage.
>>724410620Also a shitty Card game called Clans of London
>>724410450Don't be silly anon, why would I have a wife when you're here to break my balls for nothing and for free?
>>724369775>There are a lot of people who don’t want [combat] as their primary method of playing the gameSo we designed the game so they have to do a bunch of combat in between walking simulator bits? Where's the logic in this? The rationale should have been "we need to support multiple kinds of gameplay in more controlled environments", not open world combat segments broken up by walking simulator segments with no real interactive element to them.
>people claiming that the game getting negative reviews is "review bombing"
>>724410672If you're playing with the Unofficial Plus Patch it's possible to save her
>>724369982It really deserves a remaster with some UI and party behaviour fixes. That's all it would need.
>>724410687I laugh at the fucking retards who praise the writing because they're self-reporting hard. It's absolute trash, like 99% of modern mystery shit. I feel like I'm watching Reddit fags cream themselves over Apothecary Diaries again.
>>724410725>professional blast haver got so upset he replied to himself in a frothing rageLooks like that blast is wearing off.
>>724410785>playing with the Unofficial Plus Patchwhy would you do that tho
>>724409947While we're on the topic, why does he forget her? It's implied she's really good at and gung ho with memory wipes (a product of her Malk Derangement?), but by nature she should be a lower gen than Fabien. Does she do it anyway? Or does he just willfully forget? Does he have Alzheimer's from getting repeat dominated by the Prince?
guys I'm having a I'll scream.
>>724410948>why would you use the patch that makes the game look and play better and adds a fuckload of cut content back into the game?It's truly a mystery.
>>724409241This anon is essentially right. It's a bit of a DMC: Devil May Cry situation. Is it a fucking terrible game? No, not really. There's fun to be head. It just suffers from being related to something that is giving you crazy high expectations. Everyone knows redemption was kinda trash, but bloodlines blew everyone out of the water. Bloodlines 2 is good in story, atmosphere and general gameplay, but man you get no RP choices at all, you can break the masquerade like a motherfucker if you feel like it, and I have a feeling that on replay it's gonna be really fucking noticable how little meaning most "choices" have, oh well. But all that doesn't make it a game not worth playing. You won't have a terrible time the first time through. Quite the opposite, actually I believe: For a casual playthrough this is a pretty fun game. But we all hoped for Bloodlines 1 to pass the baton for the game we can obsess over for the next 20 years, and this game just ain't that. The problem isn't that BL2 is unplayable, the problem is that BL2 is not worth obsessing over at all.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1926120/Vampire_The_Masquerade__Heartless_Lullaby/#app_reviews_hashWhen’s the full version of this shit coming out? It’s been 3 years now
>>724410672> An LA neonate is able to have a cute ghoul they exploit for gigs and giggles> Our "Monstrous" 400 yo elder doesn't want to enslave Verona because "it doesn't feel right"Did any of the writers know anything about the setting? Kindred are basically rapist (at best) with superpowers (it's as close as you can get to do a supernatural mafia without screaming it in the audience ears).Aside from a couple of weirdos trying to achieve Galconda, none would think twice in using a mortal to accomplish their goals (especially as they get older: it's just a matter of time before you kill an innocent person while on frenzy, or just the night to night deteriorates your humanity as you survive the jihad).
>>724411052What's up with these Reddit cuck shills claiming the only reason the game is getting shit on is because it's a sequel to VTM Bloodlines?If this game was called "Vampire Night" and I played it, I would still think it's one of the worst pieces of shit ever released.
>>724411141If anything i think it’s the WoD setting helping it. Imagine if the lore was totally generic, how much worse it would be.
>>724410798qrd on the party behavior? I just bought the game and one of the reviews mentioned that you need to reset your party every room or they use up all their blood. Any other things I need to look out for?
Nobody ever talks about swansong, is that shit worth playing?
>>724411141Because it's true, and you're full of shit? This game is pretty okay by itself. It's biggest flaws are litterally not living up to bloodlines 1, and things you are expected to be able to do from bloodlines 1. If you honestly played this, on it's own and call it "the worst piece of shit ever released" you're just a contrarian faggot. There is no way in hell you can claim this to be "the worst piece of shit ever". You just fucking can't, and you're a faggot for doing so.
>>724411003it adds some major balance issues unfortunately. i wish i could see the restored content without all the custom stuff.
>>724410865The ploting is average, the prose is pretty decent-to-good for the genre writing it's aiming for. I think the failure is at the tailoring it all for a game format.>>724410997Fabien the bumbly detective is a fabricated persona he uses to make his world bearable. He's bruised and abused guy tasked doing dark shit for others (see Fletcher asking you to dispose of the cigarette girl), living in a fantasy as a cope.He is more than likely the copycat killer. He made that pregnant woman a vampire as a form of vengeance over those that dominated him He's presenting Gideon as much nicer than he is (though the mask sometimes falls, see the mention to torturing the casino guy).
>>724411592The game is already a broken mess balance wise, I've played it vanilla/default patched enough times.
>>724411727>The game is already a broken mess balance wise,yeah so it doesn't really need more issues added on top of that
>>724411141They are unironically shills.They are at full force, even on reddit, trying to paint this game as anything else but a complete disaster.It's simple people: you have an action game (it doesn't have any RPG mechanics to claim to be one) with 3-5 enemy varieties, a literal straight line of perks as your "skill tree", main quests that are literally just cleaning room after room of generic enemies, the same boss fight you ctrl+c ctrl+v 4-5 times and (surprisingly) a duration of less than 20 hours. All for the price of a AAA game...And this is ignoring the horrible writing, characters and the lore disaster (yeah, a century old vampire leaves a corpse now).
>still no lou pornfuck this gay flop
I don't mind the change
>>724368615>not a single racist Asian accentIt's trash.
>>724411340I think it's broken at the conceptual level. Cyanide is not a good developer. But if going at it with the idea that you're playing a point'n'click with some RPG-lite mechanics attached, it can be a pretty decent romp for a fan of the setting. Personally, I very much enjoyed the absence of hand-holding.I'd say 6-7/10 myself. Be warned of the modern bourgeois liberal sensibilities on display ("Vitiligo" warning). Nothing I found unbearable, but your mileage may vary.
>>724411553>Because it's trueNope.>you're full of shit?Nope.>This game is pretty okay by itself.Nope.>NOOOO YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT THE GAME I'M HAVING A BLAST WITH, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLECope, shill.
>>724411141>the game is getting shit on is because it's a sequel to VTM Bloodlines?Read steam reviews. That's the main reason it's attacked.
>>724411553The Fabien segments alone are enough to put this down to a 2/10 in my honest opinion, it's actually insane to think a game made by a supposedly professional team would have pacing this bad, it's anti-game design, carefully crafted to be the most obnoxious and aggravating for the player instead of engaging.There isn't a sinlge aspect of the game that isn't deeply flawed, the stealth is more broken than a 90s game, enemies see you through the floor consistently and sometimes even through walls, it's hard to tell where an enemy is looking at.The combat has some decent animations, but is boring and repetitive with not enough interesting choices to make in terms of building or tactics to deal with encounters, all encounters feel the same.Traversing the town is cool at first, but quickly loses its charm, masquerade violations are less impactful than GTA wanted stars and every part of the town feels the same, you are just happy because you can get through it faster, not because it's fun.
>>724410757Lots of pro-v5 lore channels are shilling for it but none of them have played the game longer than 3 hours on stream or video
>>724411553>It's biggest flaws are litterally not living up to bloodlines 1No, the biggest flaws are:>complete lack of RPG elements>dialogue choices do not matter, ever>stealth is pointless because in almost every combat encounter you are not allowed to interact with anything until you've killed every enemy>the skill "tree" is a fucking stick>half the game is a boring walking sim>there are literally 3 fucking sidequests: a fetch quest, a kill quest, and a track and kill quest>performance issues across the board>no ability to play as a Gangrel, a Malkavian (no the fucking cuck detective doesn't count), or a Nosferatu>no agency at all, don't want to be Sheriff for the Camarilla? Get fucked you don't get a choiceGo fuck yourself you pathetic shill.
>>724412431funny. even on steam if you only show reviews from people who have played 5+ hours which is after the refund window it still has mixed reviews at 64% positive. they wanted to say all the negative reviews were from people buying it, leaving a negative review, then refunding.
The only game design purpose I can gather behind the Fabien segments is to make the Nomad phase of the game not seen as shit by contrast, it's some of the worst gaming anything I've ever seen in my life, there are FMV games out there that are better.
>>724412976>The only game design purpose I can gather behind the Fabien segments is to make the Nomad phase of the game not seen as shit by contrastI was actually saying this to myself yesterday when I was struggling to get through the third (fourth? I don't fucking know anymore) Fabien section, and I genuinely think it's a real possibility. It's some of the worst shit in video game history. I have no idea how cuck bitches like >>724411553 can defend that shit.
Even Paradox had no faith in it
I wanted to replay it but not being able to skip the cancer fabien sections just stops that. They’re fine for the 1st playthrough but fuck, they add nothing but story so let me skip the shit
>>724413124Good news, is someone probably will want a crack at an rpg and paradox probably will let them for cheap
>>724412976I'm usually a degen that goes through games in long sessions but after a while when I understood the game only be Main Plot -> the same three sidequests + Collecting the tags,crosses and cameras-> Fabien flashbacks. the Fabien sections became where I stopped my session I was groaning and throwing my arms in the air lmao
>>724413358I still haven't found a single camera, I have no idea where they are. I've found most of the symbols and crosses for the dyke bitch.
>>724410450>>724409241After some thought, 7-8/10 is pretty much where I am too on it, because you really do have to judge it on its own merits. We've known for YEARS that this wasnt going to be anything like the first game, and frankly expecting it to be when VMTB was made by someone else, somewhere else, twenty one fucking years ago is retarded. Sure the obvious question this raises is "why the fuck name it bloodlines 2 then" but its pretty clear if you've been in ANY VTMB threads over the past like two years that if it were named anything else we probably wpuldnt having this conversation in the first place. Naming it bloodlines 2 got way more asses in seats than anything else would despite the unfavorable comparisons it might have brought with it.
>>724413435Some camera are in weird spots sometimes under roofs in a corner other times they are near a haven or alley. By the way all the crosses are in vampire havens but one is missable. It's the one from the Garage. You go there two times and then you can't ever go back
>>724413435There's maps around if youre really stuck, but just look for your recticle to get a little clue boner and then follow the building around and up. Doing that I just naturally got to about 26/30 just before the final boss when I decided it wasnt actually worth the effort, as I had gotten all of the useful disciplines and unlocked them, the extra skill points wouldnt have been needed anyway.
>>724413525I am judging it on its own merits, it's just a shit action game with absolutely yawn-inducing walking sim bits thrown in.
>>724413201I really wish the fast forward ramped up after like 10 seconds or so. I also wish they werent so gradual with the malk wackiness. The best part was at the very last section>silent elevator stretches an uncomfortable length of time>"wow it could really do for some music in here">exits the elevator and sneaky detective music starts playing
So uh, is vtm redemption like medieval? Feels weird so far
>>724412431Who the fuck likes V5?
>>724414367part of it is
>>724414417Trannies
>>724414417SJW/Woke types
>>724414417pigs who like Slop
>bleeeeh!!!>*Monster noises*
>>724413942Your mistake is in your perception of the game. Its not action game with walking sim bits, its a walking sim game with action bits. Fuck most of the combat encounters are structured like a puzzle. You're presented with an area with and a bunch of mobs and some tools for dispatching those mobs, and you cant advance until theyre dead. How you solve it is based on what the situation is, what stuff is around the room to use, and what your disciplines are.
>>724414809It doesn't matter if it's one or the other, all of it is shit.
WHERE IS DEBJUST MAKE DEB RETURN COME ON NOW
>be at the part where you have to disable the hunters radio tower>sneak onto roof across from a small alley>hunter standing at the very edge of the roof, in telekinesis range>yank him off the roof>yell, splat>four more guys come rushing to the edge of the roof to see what just happenedIts the little things.
>>724369387The only song I really like is the one when you first enter the Seattle streets that is a clear homage.Tried to find it on the soundtrack and couldn't.
>>724415569She died in season 8
>>724415576Confused the fuck out of the police at ground level too.
>>724415836>Huh? What was that?>Must've been the wind...
>>724414417Mindless drones (forgive me weaver) who only think in the categories of >New good, old bad
>>724415689Are you telling me those X by Night actual plays are canon?
What did she mean by this? Any WoD loremasters?
>>724369738Why are Tzimisce women like this?
>>724416054>Le social commentaryThe Sabbat is very subdued in v5 and for a couple years it was just gone. Somehow all called to the middle east to fight a antediluvian
>>724369184I was wondering why animations look like hunt down Freeman.
>>724397152Ass Cuck VI: Pubes of Rishikesh fucking sucks thougheverbeit.
>>724416054She's lying there, amusingly. A Campbell plant that plays at being stupider than she is.I'm still unsure about her end game.>>724416215>The Sabbat is very subdued in v5It's less present. I wouldn't describe it as subdued.
>>724416054Sabbat were described as all going to the Gehenna War until Paradox realized that was a mistake and added them back in
>>724416892still not playable though
Not that clan choice really matters, but Niko makes me regret choosing Banu Haqim. Each side quest is worse than the last. This guy failed to pay child support so he must die! This drunk guy got into an accident so this woman didn't get to watch her child die in the hospital, kill him! What a little faggot he is.
>>724416984Evil chud, you can't play the villain / status quo. You will play the nobody and you will like it!
>>724371994every supernatural is weak to mag dumping
>>724417080To be fair most of the people he's sent me after are worthless pieces of shit and the world probably won't miss anything now that they're gone, but a faggot human-eating vampire trying to pretend like he's the true arbiter of justice is fucking goofy. IRL I'd just tell him to go fuck himself and maybe report him to the Camarilla in the hopes of getting him executed for potentially violating the Masquerade.
>>724417080What he is doing is a masquerade violation and you as a Sheriff should kill him.
>>724413334Even if another studio gets it for free they'll also need to really love/understand the IP and basically be allowed to write their own thing.
>>724416054Is that the CEO of Monster Energy?
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>>724416054Besides being a bad game, it shows the most poor representation of the Sabbat (similar to how they were on the first edition: just a boring bunch of psychopaths).Bloodlines 1 was similar, but the mood of the game was silly in nature, every sect was a bit of a joke (the Camarilla was just a bunch of incompetent hierarchy obsessed pricks, the Anarchs was just a bunch of misfits and socialist carpets, etc).The Sabbat is all about rebellion, camaraderie and accepting the Beast.Yes, they are monsters, but so is every other sect (Camarilla just has better PR, the Anarchs barely have enough power to show they are just Camarilla-light and the Independent Clans have the most macabre plots in the whole setting).Funnily enough, thanks to the Vaulderie (a blood ritual every pack practices every now and then) every pack is partially blood bonded to every member, so it's one of the few places in the world of Kindred where you can actually expect loyalty (artificial or not).This combined with their alternative Paths (alternatives to Humanity, that allows them to "ride" the wave of frenzy instead of avoiding it) makes them really interesting (they are not monsters trying to hold on the few remains of their humanity...they are kindred that have accepted what they are, and built strange paradigms that allows them to process what they have to do every night to survive).
>>724417080>>724417205Was the drunk child abandoner Mr Lemon or am I reading too much into it? Fabien remarks that he smells familiar and they share the same name/are both drunks (and yes I know lemon was mindfucked and not drunk in the flashbacks but he had a bunch of drunk and disorderly priors.)
>>724417518I honestly couldn't tell you, I barely pay attention to dialogue during the Fabien slop or the cookie cutter side quests. I do vaguely remember what you're referring to though so maybe?
>>724417080It's almost like the assassin clan takes assassination, and vampiric cannibalism, lightly. And that they are known for a non-human path of enlightenment that takes honor and killing the killing of justified impure targets as valid blue and orange morality.
>>724416984Nothings stopping you from playing Sabbat. Its a TTRPG.
>>724418531the rules to play then are not in the book
>>724418580The Sabbat clans (maybe not all) have V5 rules, you absolutely can play them
