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Room edition

Previous: >>492140243

>Breaking News
Sorin and Amalia are now banned in explorer
Alchemy: Bloomburrow released
Standard and brawl precons are back in the store
Duskmourn preorders start tomorrow

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/mtg-
arena-announcements-august-26-2024

>Duskmourn Spoilers
https://scryfall.com/sets/dsk

>Useful Links
https://pastebin.com/QFA0hqaA

>Free Codes
https://mtgazone.com/codes/

>TQ
General thoughts on duskmourn so far?
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First for eternal spoiler season
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>>492947168
this is just kicker
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>>492947796
No, it's a Talent that you can do in any order.
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>>492947796
It's a MDFC where you can choose to later get both sides.
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>free shit on t2
>autowin on t6
wow another flavor of aggro deck
wow how amazing i can't wait to spend gems on this so i can feel epic skilled at card games wow
it's going to be so fun playing against this warrior mono white aggro deck every game wow
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>>492951590
>mono white aggro deck
One-point-twenty-one nigga what? Did you just wake up from a coma you've bee in since before rotation?
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>>492951590
>free shit on t2
Does nothing on T2 and pigeonholes your T3. You definitely don't drop Innkeeper T3 running this.
>autowin on t6
How many creatures do you normally control on T6?
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>>492951590
The OP card doesn't go in an aggro deck. It goes in a Caretaker's Talent deck.
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>>492955092
that's even worse
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>>492954840
the card isn't great but it's slightly better than this.
t1 drop a non-toy creature. t2 drop dollmaker's shop and swing with your 1-drop, netting a 1/1 token. t3 is not pigeonholed.
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>>492957180
You are correct. I was thinking of it slotting into Boros or Monowhite Caretaker and didn't consider just running a 1-drop.
What 1-drop are you running?
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>>492957252
Crawling Chorus gets the ball-rolling almost guaranteed, but there's probably something better that makes a token on death I imagine
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>>492957252
depends heavily on the rest of the shell, the rest of the meta, and the rest of the set's leaks.

in a vacuum these details matter:
>the 1/1 toy token is an artifact. potential for artifact synergies.
>the 1/1 toy token does not enter tapped and attacking. it's not the fastest. counterbalancing with a 2/1 on t1 may be helpful.
>evasion is helpful to safely get your trigger. an extra toughness has a similar but lesser benefit.
>the room being an enchantment may be relevant.
just within white and colorless, these 15 options are all worth considering depending on the rest of the deck.

looking through these, i like the 3 pesky fliers a lot. they'll chip in for quite a bit, get you some triggers, and when you open the larger room they will probably close the game.
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>>492947168
So would temporary lockdown exile dollmaker;s shop if it has only been casted as a two drop? would it exile it if it was casted as a two drop then had its room opened or vise versa? does casting the two mana side let you draw a card with up the beanstalk or are they considered two different cards depending on which side you cast?
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>>492959879
read nigger, read
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>>492960109
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>>492960109
So casting the two cost side would draw a card with beanstalk...?
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his ramblings have begun

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/top-of-the-duskmourning-part-1
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>>492960358
No
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>>492960358
READ SOME MORE
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>>492960589
Ah ok rooms are just split cards that can activate the other side on the battlefield
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>>492951590
It's really heavily telegraphed and you effectively impossible to cheat out.
The card value is good in a vacuum but this feels to me more like "win more" territory.
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>>492947168
Bargain, which allows you to sacrifice enchantments, looks interesting with Duskmourns enchantment land & enchantment creatures.
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every time i play this game I end up regretting it

this is such fucking bullshit. on the draw vs the most aggressive start possible. every time every game feels predetermined. i just want some back and forth
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>>492947168
>White Aggro
>Win T6 no question asked
Man I hate this game.
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>>492972990
skill issue
i bought a lot of gems and you're going to watch me win and you're going to like it
stupid noobs
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>>492959164
If you are running 1 Drops, why not make it White/ Red for Haste and some control ??
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>some control
what did he mean by this?
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Deck
3 Island
3 Swamp
4 Forest
1 Dour Port-Mage
1 Ancient Ziggurat
1 Dreamdew Entrancer
1 Grolnok, the Omnivore
1 Clement, the Worrywort
1 Leaf-Leap Guide
1 Yargle and Multani
1 The Gitrog, Ravenous Ride
1 Gitrog, Horror of Zhava
1 The Gitrog Monster
1 Froghemoth
1 Valley Mightcaller
1 Mistbreath Elder
1 Tatsunari, Toad Rider
1 Valley Floodcaller
1 Command Tower
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Bellowing Crier
1 Guardian Project
1 Unclaimed Territory
1 Secluded Courtyard
1 Pillar of Origins
1 Spring Splasher
1 Long River Lurker
1 Waterspout Warden
1 Splash Lasher
1 Skyskipper Duo
1 Lilypad Village
1 Unwilling Ingredient
1 Gray Slaad
1 Yargle, Glutton of Urborg
1 Sunshower Druid
1 Poison Dart Frog
1 Three Tree Scribe
1 Clifftop Lookout
1 Crocanura
1 Fountainport Charmer
1 Steeple Creeper
1 Stickytongue Sentinel
1 Treeguard Duo
1 Excavating Anurid
1 Trollbred Guardian
1 Oakhollow Village
1 A-Uurg, Spawn of Turg
1 Pond Prophet
1 Lilysplash Mentor
1 Papercraft Decoy
1 Faceless Agent
1 Bloodline Pretender
1 Coalition Construct
1 Three Tree Mascot
1 Distant Melody
1 Webweaver Changeling
1 Gladewalker Ritualist
1 Masked Vandal
1 Guardian Gladewalker
1 Graveshifter
1 Venomous Changeling
1 Changeling Outcast
1 Mistwalker
1 Fabled Passage
1 Captivating Crossroads
1 Plaza of Heroes
1 Mana Confluence
1 Three Tree City
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Mudflat Village
1 Flooded Strand
1 Marsh Flats
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Watery Grave
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Breeding Pool
1 Ornithopter of Paradise
1 Patchwork Banner
1 A-Thran Portal
1 Arcane Signet
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Roaming Throne
1 Vanquisher's Banner
1 Metallic Mimic
1 Adaptive Automaton
1 Polliwallop
1 Littjara Kinseekers

Sideboard
1 Glarb, Calamity's Augur

Get your free MWM wins
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>>492979215
Already got them with Gitrog Ravenous Ride. Giving him a landfall ability on ETB is disgusting.
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>>492959164
Spectrum sentinel just has better flying in this scenario
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>>492957857
If you're in Boros, there's that dude with haste that makes a rat token.
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>opponents opens with triple sideboard card
>win
never give up! (at least not in matchups where you quite favored :^)
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>play against 1 sheoldred deck
>lose all motivation to play
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>>492990324
who gets demotivated that easily? sounds like crippling depression. and by a creature that dies to removal before it does anything, even.
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If you still play this game you are a massive self hatting faggot
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>>492991643
MTG is pretty demotivating. It's the worst of the card games currently except to be fair I know almost nothing about YGO.
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Does anyone actually enjoy this dogshit game?

Looking over the thread it's like Worlo-levels of beaten, abused dogs desperately clinging to something that used to be good in a futile hope that it'll get better and return to what it used to be.

Why haven't you left yet? You know this is a textbook case of abuse victims, right?

I want to make fun of you, but it's genuinely pretty sad.
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as with every game ever made since the internet appeared, meaning you should know this by now, the people who enjoy the game spend time actually playing the game instead of shitposting in forums
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>>492997319
I just do dailies with the free decks and play my free draft once a week
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>>492997519
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What if I enjoy the game and my break from the game is shitposting online? Huh did you ever think of that smart guy dumb ass?
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>>492998884
Nobody cares about Arena players anyway.
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im blaming the holiday but yesterday was the most toxic day of arena with back to back creature removal, counter spells, and shellys for most of the day. tried (Yargle) Brawl/Commander (whateverthefuck it's called) and hated it, though it helped me put together a budget frog deck for "honest" games. but you better believe that I got my 15 daily wins with RDW after seeing the absolute state of things.
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>>493000238
wait a minute...so you faced creatures, ways to kill creatures, AND ways to counter creature? damn you're right. what a wild meta
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the sneedcore
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can someone help me cut here? I drafted so many playables that I'm not sure how to proceed now
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>>492997319
>local draft dead
>local limited in general dead
>nobody to play pauper with
>nobody to play standard with
>nobody to play pioneer with
>too poor for other formats
>wife doesn't like magic so no kitchen table
>i don't want to play commander
at least in arena i can draft and even have a chance to do it multiple times if i get lucky
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>>492997319
Is that supposed to be you on the left?
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>>493001353
bro that's too many cuts...start with high stride, though
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>>493001646
does wotc even do draft promotions anymore?
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>>493002989
no, i just enjoy drafting for the equal grounds and consistend theme of the drafted set. for the sake of it, so to speak.
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>>493002965
well, after cutting three high strides and the two nighwhorl hermits I still have 11 cards too many
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>>493003231
I think a lot of people like drafting but it can get expensive quickly so I'm not surprised there's less interest in it these days
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>>493003824
when i ask at my lgs (happens every time i really like a set, i really liked bloomburrow so i asked for that) the people there seem to be confused by the idea of drafting and i don't think anybody every seriously considered trying it. they're all commander players, never played anything else.
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i'm down to two cards left to cut
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>>493004585
Idk man maybe mind spiral and one of the 5 drop creatures
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Guess they broke the game with the Last update
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>>493006683
this shit is unbearably laggy
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>>493007474
I got disconnected during the opponents turn as if I had roped
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This fucker might legitimately make me stop playing draft. I think I've never won a game where my opponent dropped that guy execept the one where I played bat tribal
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>>493008763
play bat tribal then
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>>493008763
Dies to removal
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>>493009003
>Don't play white or don't have the one banishing light you could steal from the other white drafter in your hand? Tough luck sucker
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I just lost a draft and got so pissed off I took a shit right in the middle of the living room
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Another 3 years of red.
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>>493008763
Bloomburrow draft sucks anyways. Weenie aggro in 10 different color combinations.
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>lose 2 games because too many land draws on draft with 17 lands
>cut it down to 16
>next game instantly have to mulligan twice for lands AND I still don't get more than 2 lands after several draws with 26 cards left in the deck
lol
I hate this disgusting piece of shit rigged garbage game so much
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>>493003783
yeah good luck
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https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/duskmourn-house-of-horror-mastery-details
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>>493022661
>all the sleeves have Antifa members on their artwork
What did they mean by this?
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>mythic player uses torch the tower to fling his heartfire hero
imagine how high the winrate would be if rdw players could read
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I read some where foundation will be valid until 2029, so from this perspective it would make more sense to invest more in it instead of duskmorn, no?
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>>493024298
It's time to make a stand chuddie.
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>Exploring the dungeon
>Random encounter of trash enemies
>Turn on auto-battle
>Entire party attacks a different enemy each, all enemies focus on a single party member and burn her down in one round of combat
IT'S JUST VARIANCE BRO
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'D WEIGHT THE RNG IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GAME JUST TO GET YOU TO BUY D&D CARD SLEEVES BRO IT'S JUST A CONSPIRACY
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It’s almost complete bros I can’t believe how fun it is
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>>493027774
No
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pyroclasm is coming back. it's so over for so many of you shitters lmfao.
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>>493011146
Cause RDW didn't have enough overstatted 1 mana pump spells. Now you can pump and get a free 2/2 body nice! Fucking disgusting braindead subhuman company. Another meta of must have 4 1 mana instant speed removal and 4 2 mana instant speed removal in every single deck just to be able to play the game
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>maybe magic isnt so bad I was just overreacting
>play 1 game
>going second against mono red
AAAAAIIIIEEEEE
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It's time to add in a non artifact non permanent mana rock that can be tapped for one mana for whoever goes second.
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>>493053023
They should unironically do this for the alchemy format
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>>493045964
Standard has turn 2 kills, what good is pyroclasm?
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turn 1 counterspell? i leave
turn 1 discard spell? i leave
more than 1 ramp spell? i leave
wash away? i leave
more archive cards than me? i leave
silver bullet card? i leave

i simply do not humor autoloss games.
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>>493053246
They should unironically do this for literally every format. Every single set that is released, the win% disparity on going first/second just gets wider and wider.
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Also, daily reminder that this is the WORST the game has EVER been and if you still play it you just hate yourself that much.
None of you are having fun. Even your wins aren't fun because most likely you won because of the same bullshit RNG that made you lose, just flipped on op.
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>blind mulligan
>have to discard if you mulligan
>going second automatically gives you like a 30% chance of winning
>one player always just sits there doing nothing because the land system fucks them over
>games are often over or already decided by turn 3
so where exactly is the skill expression in this game?
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>>493053290
control has to build for the entire meta. reducing the number of cards i need to deal with spam creatures increases the amount of cards i can use to deal with anything else, reducing the wrath turn from 3 to 2 let's me play fewer lands, increasing the amount of cards i can use for everything else, strong counter cards will reduce the prevalence of wide aggro in the meta, increasing the amount of cards i can use for everything else... it's so much value. my historic deck alone gets like 6 card slots freed up.
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>>493011146
Insane. Turn 2 kills become even more likely.
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>>492997319
Its a slot machine to pull and be amazed at probabilities while waiting - what the truck are you doing in a games general if you don't get the basic about what a game is. Nigger do you play anything
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>Load MTGA
>Play history
>Queue against aids deck
>AFK and take a shit
>Queue against yet another deck that completely counters mine
>AFK and jerk off
>Play against someone taking their time
>Rope them every single turn and watch a twitch stream until they concede or i win/lose
>Play against blue/white aids counter deck
>AFK and fuck their girlfriend while they wait for me to take my turn

Get on my level you single digit IQ chimps, you are playing this game 100% wrong.
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I'm so sick and tired of losing against or winning with i-win cards and board wipes
but if you don't play them you just cannot play the game

might as well just go throw money at a casino
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>>493052621
>Now you can pump and get a free 2/2 body
You could already do that
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>>493053420

Any duress / IOK / thoughtseize cancer ass cards on turn 1 = concede

If you play that kind of deck, kindly find the nearest bridge to jump off.
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>>493062967
thanks for the free win faggot
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>>493063328

Sure thing chud, have fun next game where it happens again, and again. Until you realize no one wants to play against your gay ass deck, forcing you to play something else.
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The people that play MTGA sorted by population:

1. 200+ card Bots that somehow top deck every single answer every turn
2. Net decking negative IQ chimps that smack the keyboard until they win
3. Faggot nigger control deck players that get to play a full game 1 out of every 10 games
4. Everyone else

Fuck you all
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>>493062504
The extra power makes a big difference, with scamp and heartfire. Even more if you're flinging them.
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>20 dmg turn 3 with 2 mana

lol
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Was worried that frog event would take forever, but opponent 2 gave up while he was winning and opponent 4 scooped as soon as I joined.
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>zombie aggro
>mouse aggro
>red aggro
>U ""control"" hand hate counterspell spam
>you just don't get to play the game
>the game and playerbase that ranted for decades about how they aren't yugioh turned into a worse version of it
ironic that wotc purposefully sabotaged duel masters because they knew it would btfo their solitaire simulator
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>otter aggro
>fairy aggro
>green aggro
>boardwipe spam
>pw spam
>boardwipe AND pw spam
>dinosaur spam
>play shelly and wait until you win
why do they even bother making commons and uncommons if all you're going to play is rares and mythics?
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>frog spam
>food token spam
>Jace mill
>artifact spam
>bat spam
>bird spam
>knight spam
>token spam
>all you have to do is follow the flowchart and the game plays itself
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>>493078339
this is /vg/
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>>493078339
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>>492997319
i enjoy coming itt and looking at the absolute miserable slopeaters and the bottom of the barrel subhuman shills way more than i enjoyed mtga back when i played it

there's literally no reason to play the game, mh3 and the last two nu-extended sets killed it. alchemy could seem like a viable format except it's just aggro spam or heist decks at the top levels

it's over, move on
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Can anyone play? I can't connect to the game at all just a black screen and a few minutes later an error.
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>>493078339
least schizo schizoposter
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if mtg were still a real game, a format like edson from ygo would have taken off years ago. something like from CHK to WAR, only cards released in those sets allowed. you got 15 years of cards to have fun with and it ends right as magic turned to shit and arena took off
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wow this frog event is complete ass
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The sharty retards need to piss back off to their dead image board
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>play frog event
>it's just frog aggro
come the fuck on man
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>>493103162
>this surprised you
????
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>>493105795
it doesn't.
It just makes me wonder what the fuck is wrong with these bots
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60 start hands in a row below a value of 70 in a deck valued 1500 by the reddit tool
yeah, the machine learning crap rng is completely broken
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>>493075553
Aggro decks play lots of uncommons and commons.
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>>493103162
I played Bant Helga and just dropped the most broken fatties I could stack in a deck. Won the first three games and called it a wrap.
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>Aggro goes second
>instantly loses
>goes first
>instantly win
Fun game :) Big thinking man's strategy game btw
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>opponent goes first
>opponent goes first
>opponent goes first
>did you have fun? :)
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>Spend the entire game losing
>completely ignore all 5 previous tuns by casting a single sunfall and win on the spot
>did you have fun :)))))))
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>cast a 5 mana board wipe exile
>get a 7/7 token that is immune to removal until you flip it
>did you have fun :)))))))))
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>maindeck 4 vexing bauble
>maindeck 4 relic of progenitus
>maindeck 4 anger of the gods
>only get matched against Sorin/Vein Ripper combo
Timeless is such a shitshow.
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>>493125098
> Did you have fun? :)))))))))))))))))
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Yes, I did have fun.
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>whoever goes first/second
>whoever draws like a human
>whoever doesn't get land fucked
These 3 things literally determine 99% of every win or loss
How do you feel knowing there is actually zero skill or strategy required in you "strategy" card game and every deck plays itself and the winner has nothing to do with how you pilot the deck?
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Going first is so fucking broken. It's the difference between red deck being OP and being completely trash.
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you fucking schizos aren't even posting spoilers, holy shit

anyway, the Elevator deck is coming together!
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>>493126309
and yet the same fucking players keep winning
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>>493129052
congratulations, you just discovered one of the many reason why bo1 is a fake format. by the time they go first in game 3, your deck is filled with aggro answers
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B03 is just as bad as b01. One player gets to go first twice. The other doesn't. Same shit.
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>playing mono red to grind
>30 games and not a single other mono red only 100% removal.deck
>go full greedy control
>first 2 games against mono red
So this shit is pretty much rigged right?
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>>493129517
>yeah, but how about muh pro gaymers?
Yeah, no shit the progaymers are going to be the biggest metaslaves every single time, with their own focus groups doing nothing but extensive playtesting.

Your type of answer is always retarded.
You should post the decks as well and i'll tell you if it's player skill or simply the deck being auto-solitaire
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>>493134004
Forced meta. I changed 6/60 cards in my deck and now I’m playing against completely different decks. Went from mono red and discard to flyers and control…. Lmao
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>>493129517
>shota
What an unfortunate name

Wow you mean the people who’s job it is to shill this game play it like 2 full time jobs plus a squad of play testers keep winning? Whoa bro what a shocking revelation fucking retarded asshole.
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>Phantasmal Image is back

ha ha yes eat shit Atraxa
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>keep 2 land hand
>don't draw another land the rest of the game
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I hate this fucking game so much.
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>>493146290
>keep 3 land hand
>draw 3 lands in a row and lose
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I love this fucking game so much.
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>>493146851
Why can't it just be random? Is that so hard?
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This games alright. I just spent $75 on the planeswalker wildcards and gems one time deals now I’m set for life big time whaling better watch out for me bro.
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I quit best of three because of lands. Every fucking match is a one land opener into a 5 land mulligan. Now worth it broski. Haven’t won a single match of best of 3 yet.
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>>493134290
...I thought skill didn't matter?
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>instantaneous roping begins when you finally have the decency to topdeck a land
classy
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>>493148814
You can be as skilled as you like, but if you don't have the data to back it up it doesn't matter.
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>>493149134
I see. so the game is say, 0.5% skill, 0.5% data, 99%
>whoever goes first/second
>whoever draws like a human
>whoever doesn't get land fucked
and somehow you agree that the 1% is enough to keep the same players always at the top. interesting math, to be sure.
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>>493149593
If you play enough matches, sure.
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What can you possibly do to beat Going First red aggro as green? They'll have at least a guy or two on turn2, I'll get out a turn2 creature, but then they can buff their guys with Prowess/Equips and be stronger than my 2drop and I don't have the mana to play something to buff my 2drop at this point.

If I survive to turn4, I can turn things around and I have won from here before, but it's basically game over if they already have a bunch of attack on Heartfire Hero since it'll nuke me with all of its attack power when it dies. What can I possibly do to beat red in the early game while going second?
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>>493151487
Mono green is not playable in this removal centric format.
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>>493151487 me
As mentioned before, if I go first, this goes entirely in the opposite direction. They can't do SHIT when I'm the one who has priority over the board. I'm a turn ahead and have extra mana to beat them. It isn't even close.
>>493151702
Oh! I play Alchemy, there are very few mass removal spells, so green is great in this format. :)
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With Duskmourn it feels like design wanted fully commit to the theme, but the art department realized that a lot of 80s horror was heavily inspired by gothic horror so they predominantly took inspiration from that side of it to keep it looking like Magic. The result is that Duskmourn is 90% indistinguishable from another Innistrad return set, but then on every tenth card there will be a random television or modern looking sneaker. Very odd.
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>>493149593
This is ten percent luck
Twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure
Fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name

Also pic related
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>>493153217
Yeah, man just stay cool when you have your opponent almost dead then proceed to draw 5 lands in a row from a 20 land deck.
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>>493153479
I've gotten to where I only run 19 or 24 lands in a deck no matter what. Anything in between makes it too easy to flood or screw.
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Wanna try that again without sounding mad? Check the pic again and read it this time.
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>>493155358
>Wanna try that again without sounding mad?
No
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This little fucker is so cool
>Every creature is now cut down with no abilities
>Planeswalkers? lol no abilities
>Forge? Sythesizer? sorry no tokens when you're a blank card
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>>493153479
correct
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you should kill yourself
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Whoa, I actually won a game going second.
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>>493147048
"AI" is the goat, don't you like the rng "learning"
and always make sure to give positive feedback, no matter how special ed the "AI" acts
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>A-actually it's not a TV it's like a portal to the ghost world or whatever.
>It's literally called screen.
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>>493170663
Oh great, this one is even better
>Maggie had always wanted to be on television.
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>>493170663
>>A-actually it's not a TV it's like a portal to the ghost world or whatever.
Who are you quoting
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>never played magic because by the time I got into card games it already went woke
>just watched a couple videos on the blatant match fixing bullshit they do behind the scenes
lol. lmao even. you guys have got to be double retarded.
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which is the better list and how would you improve it
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>>493180059
post links
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>removal
>removal
>board clear
>board clear
>life gain
>gg
Do people really have fun doing this?
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>>493181791
nevermind, it's obviously magda, no contest. I might run 4
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>>492997319
the only people left are those who are unwilling to jump ship to anime games or too stupid to learn netrunner.
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>Mono Green Aggro
>Doesnt need mountains cause it play itself
This is getting banned
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>>493191973
ah, yes. The mono green aggro deck. The mono green aggro deck that plays instants and sorceries. The combat trick mono green aggro deck that runs 4 mana enchantments. The spellslinger mono green aggro deck that runs 2RR sorcery speed permanents. That mono green aggro deck
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>>493148814
Skill in a card game would be to take cards that don't do much on their own and that barely work together and make them work as best as possible.

Having cards that trigger or meet their triggering requirements by themselves, create more value by themselves existing on the field or just with one other single card, are only a huge threat to your opponent but no real risk for you, are the opposite of skill.
The fact that you can reset the game in your favor with something like Sunfall, should be evidence of how you do not need thinking or card management skills.
Or how most aggro decks can kill you in 2 turns without needing or risking interacting with the opponent.
Or how toxic decks don't need to interact with their opponents as well and only need to put 10 counters on opp to win the game and how the opp cannot ever interact or remove the poison counters.
Or how you're forced to play black if you want easy access to generic creature removal.

imagine if i had a card that said
>"Whenever a creature etbs, do 1 damage to opp for each creature. At the start of the battle phase create 10 1/1 tokens with haste. Opponent can't gain life."
Where is the player agency? What choices are left to be made? What options are available to your opponent or what are your risks by playing that card?

Mono red aggro creatures all costing 1 and having haste, prowess and access to lot of buffing spells and effects that give them extra stats just for being targeted by the players spells, isn't any sort of skill; it's just casualized machanics to sell card games to normies.
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>>493195598
im gonna put this on my Rot Priest deck and there is nothing you can do about it My Rot Priest Deck is pretty mid TBF
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I’m new to mtg and am a dirt poorfag trying to conquer my local draft scene. If I invest a million games into mtga and its draft mode will I have the potency to dominate.
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>>493199960
it's literally rigged don't bother.
irl drafts are full of cheating as well.
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>>493199960
One of the most important aspects of doing well in draft is format familiarity, so yes familiarizing yourself with the format on mtga would be good for doing well irl.

The basic fundamentals like threats, removal, etc and how to prioritize them is important too, depending on how new you are.
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>>493170663
I'm going to have to look at this cancer in every single commander game for the rest of my life. Fuck R&D this is worse than Chronicles.

>>493199960
You can't just spam draft in Arena without paying or already being good. Back episodes of Limited Resources and Cockatrice are a better bet for getting good on the cheap.
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posters itt are so fucking pitiful it's unreal
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>>493208121
how so?
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>>492947796
in the balls
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>>493196374
first two lines are retarded, so I won't waste my time reading the rest, sorry champ
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>>493183740
definitely. it beats, by very far, playing creatures and praying they don't have an answer.
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>>493171523
>>493170663
what are you mad about today? The plane that the house consumed had TVs. In fact Valgavoth was simply one of the many demons powering their technological advancements.
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Let me guess... you somehow need more?
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>>493199960
Watch videos of pros who explain their decisions alot to save a lot of money. Numotthenummy does this and is reguarly a top mythic player
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>>493242143
Nice spot removal bro
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>>493200134
>>493200478
>>493205967
>>493242593
Much thanks for the tips and resources Anonymous(es).
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>>493172974
I can't remember and can't find it but I'm pretty sure they explained that the TVs weren't actually TVs when they announced the set some weeks ago, I'll drop that criticism since I can't find the source, though.
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>>493242143
a lot more
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Duskmourn is almost out and Azorius control still hasn't decided what its wincon is. You see Jace, Teferi, and Elspeth, Caretaker's, no Caretaker's
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but anon

we are all schizos here
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>STILL the best piece of art on Arena
how did he do it, bros?
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>>493254815
why would someone backhand a dagger to slash downward?
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>>493250769
true true
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>b01 is just an aggro simulator abusing go first win coinflip
>b03 is just another goodstuff value pile simulator
Daily reminder this is the WORST the game has EVER been and if you still play it your a self hating masochist.
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>go second vs RDW
>autolose
>go first vs RDW
>autowin
"strategy big skillo thinking mans card game"
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Every single fking deck is the most braindead flowchart zero IQ zero strategy retard coinflip simulator imaginable. How do you fucking faggots get even the smallest amount of enjoyement from this cancerous game?
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>>493183740
>how do people really have fun doing this?
They fucking don't, but you NEED to run that many retard braindead interaction otherwise the really fun healthy and balanced RDW just wins by turn 3
KYS RDW abusing faggot
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In Alchemy, there's a mechanic where cards can "perpetually" add +1/+1's to your creatures. For all intents and purposes, it's like adding +1/+1 counters, but without the counters. Creatures will keep the +1/+1 bonuses no matter where they are and the bonus cannot be removed.

I thought it was really interesting when my opponent played Maha. The toughness of my perpetually boosted creatures only lowered to 1 of their base stats before the perpetual boost. So, a 1/2 creature with four +1/+1 perpetual boosts (5/6), became a 5/5 when the opponent summoned Maha. It's a very strong mechanic if you can get it going.
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>>493270467
It'd work the same with +1/+1 counters, Maha only modifies based toughness.
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>>493271161
This is true, yes, but because perpetual boosts aren't counters I initially assumed that the base stats were being modified. It wasn't until I saw the Maha interaction that I learned they're "invisible counters that aren't counters." They're not counters, so they don't interact with effects that involve counters.
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Faggot game made for self hating subhumans. Let's discuss alchemy mechanics like its going to matter when win or lose is determined by whoever goes first/ whoever draws better like every single match in every single format. Fucking subhumans.
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>MUH MECHANICS AND STRATEGY MATTER!!!!
>THIS IS A THINKING MANS STRATEGY GAEM AFTER ALL
>LETS ALL PRETEND LIKE IT MATTERS!!!! LMAO!
>OH YOU WENT SECOND, GUESS YOU LOSE LOL SHOULD HAVE PLAYED BETTER
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>P-PLS BUY OUR OVERPRICED HEKKIN DEI BLACK ARAGORN CARD ART!
>P-PLS GAME I-ISN'T RIGGED I SWEAR!!!\
>P-PLS BUY GEMS
All 5 of you MT.GAG general posters need to off themselves in the most painful way possible
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>>493129296
No one gives a fk you subhuman maggot. We all know it's going to be powercrept subhuman braindead cards and the game will still be shit.
Shut the fk up stupid retard
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>>493134004
thats what you get for playing mono red subhuman oxygen wasting dysgenic filth
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>>493265461
thank you for your service
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Uh oh someone’s having a baaad time oh no.
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>>493062967
>godless shrine untapped
>i evoke grief
>resolve discard
>respond to evoke trigger on the stack with Ephemerate
>Ephemerate resolves
>i choose another card and make you discard it
it's turn 1, i have a 3/2 menace guy and have taken your 2 best cards. your go!
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so tell me, anon: why do YOU deserve to win?
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>>493276050
I cast lightning bolt/ swords/ path. Wow that was a close one.
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>>493276696
do you actually believe i wouldn't take removal out of your hand as the 'best cards' to answer the current boardstate? unless you hand is literally 'show & tell+omni+lightning bolt+lightning bolt' i'm taking both bolts every time. bro you don't actually know how to play magic.
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>shhh, you wanna get sued?!
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Aneurysms claim another anon. Oh well.
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>game 1
>mulligan
>whoops! your opponent was playing discard all along! shouldn't have done that!
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>>493277326
Ok go play scam and see how it works out. There’s a reason it’s on arena and that’s because it’s solitaire garbage that folds to any kind of pressure. You’re forgetting you also lost 3 cards to play your gay little combo.
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>>493242143
nice tokens bro
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And here are the rare duals.
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>>493103162
played this ramp/landfall deck

a few notes if u wanna play it, i was too lazy too change (u have 5 hours)
>graveyard cards like artisan is bad in it
>scute swarm sux in it
>needs more basics and more lands in general up from 33 to 40 or so
>add a bit more removal (just remove a few artifacts/useless frogs like yargles and the metallic mimic
>dont forget to either include snow lands or remove into the north
>two-sided lands dont trigger the ability of the gitrog monster so either remove them or dont sacrifice them if u wanna draw
>its really fun

stomped those netdecking legenvd wannabes faggots into the ground anyway

pulled of overwhelming forces a few times against them because these niggers do no damage and are too retarded to play 1-2 counterspells

make sure to save up your search lands for when the gitrog monster comes down
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you should kill yourself
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>>493287957
anon, I...
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>kill yourself when this general dies

vs.

>touch grass

Which way, schizoman?
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>>493296325
No, U
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you should really kill yourself
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>>493300396
touch ass
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>>493287957
Kamigawa lands at home
(these are still pretty good desu, strictly better basics will always be good)
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>>493317749

Well bend over for me then for daddy, faggot.
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who else comfy?
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>>493322657
I kneel
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If you keep antagonizing me I’m about to get REALLY mad and you aren’t gonna like me when I’m mad
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>>493322657

Thats cute
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>there are ppl ITT at this very moment who still unironically play MTGA
NGMI
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>>493335261

what else is there?
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>>493282106
i do play scam though
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>>493153479
Just chill out, bro :^)
>Clumps your cards
>Mana floods you
>Mana screws you
>Gives your opponent the nuts draws
>And the highest of high rolls
>Rigs your mulligans
It's just a game!
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>>493171523
>This art
The fuck, they are ok using AI slop this blatant? NGL I've been suspecting it for a while now...
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>>493322657
>>493333494
Is paypigging supposed to be a flex now?
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>>493336951
Show rank
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>>493347952
>outing yourself as a draftlet
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>opp drops pw
>board wipe
>counterspell
>you can't play the game anymore
great game design wotc
imma definitely buy gems
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>>493359652
anon thats the victory condition. when they do that you're supposed to concede and go next instead of drawing the game out UNLESS you have a combo out with counterspells, veil or thoughtseize to protect it.
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If you think draft is rigged, then play constructed.
If you think constructed is rigged, then play draft.
If you think both are rigged, then you shouldn't be playing this game and you're a retard for being here if you hate the game.

Follow this simple flowchart the next time you're about to make your 100th post complaining about the same thing.
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Epic wizard battles are about explosions and mosnters fighting, but Duskmourn makes it about summoning... rooms?
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>>493365236
you can game the rigging algorithm. fat urza guy does it every season and then says shit like 'you must be top 100 mythic to post here'.
it does take some amount of effort to do though.
i will spoonfeed you only these points
>cards have weight
>deck archetypes seem to have preferential matchmaking
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>>493347952
I havent spent a dime on this game.
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How do people get this nuts decks in quick draft?

I struggle getting playables because all I see is shit cards and the bots send confusing signals.
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>>493347952
>he thinks we pay

lol
lmao
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>>493378017
reading the picks of other players
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Daily reminder this is the WORST the game has ever been and if you still play it you are a self hating masochist. Have a nice friday!
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>>493378017
Yeah, sometimes it feels like the bots switch archetypes every time they pick a rare.
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>>493378017

Clearly you arent skillfull enough to top deck every answer you need.

Seriously though the shuffler will choose who wants to favor based on a lot of factors, it is a conspiracy theory until its a fact.

WOTC already showed that they are doing shady shit in the back ground and they gaslight their players into thinking they aren't until they are caught, then the fess up and/or change it.

Imagine throwing your money at a digital card game where the game company is actively gaslighting and manipulating you into spending as much money as possible or you get shitty picks in drafts / always get a match up with your counter / always go second etc.....

Seriously just go play paper at your LGS.
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Just do yourselves a favour and quit this game. Your not having fun. WOTC is a terrible company that only cares about milking you wallet and gives no fuck about product quality.
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Like what do I do here?

Hunter talent is a clear signal to go green
Vinereap mentor to go golgari
Questcaller and carrot cake to go white
Mentor for UW birds
Mindwhisker for blue

but now the best cards are black and red which i didnt see pack 1 at all
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>>493398391
Nigger who gives a fk what you draft. You winning or losing will be determined by whichever player misses a land drop lmao
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>>493398391
cut blue
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>>493398391
Anon that's p2p1. There's no signals there because it's a new pack. You're supposed to look at the last cards of pack 1 for what people didn't take.
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>>493398391
Drop the blue, pick the rabbit response and lean into GW. You have enough fixing to splash if you get passed a bomb. This is pick one, it has no influence on what you'll see open so don't focus so much on what the best cards in the pack are.
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All of this draft strategy talk only to realize your going to win or lose because of RNG in game
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>craft a good draft deck
>oh you didn't draw a land for two turns
>should have played better
>craft a shit deck
>oh opponent didn't draw a land two turns in a row
>he should have played better
Shut the fk up disgusting braindead general acting like theres any strategy in this game. Go spin the roulette wheel but don't for a moment pretend like theres any skill involved in this game.
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I’m buying $50 worth of gems and draft tokens today. Feels good man.
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>>493369992
urza here

not every season since i quit the game and i suggest you do the same

sure i could be top 100 mythic but bragging rights don't mean crap when the game is absolute dogshit. mh3 killed it and it's not coming back. historic/modern will keep rotating faster than 'standard' and that's hilariou. i blame konami's business model

now to play better games, non self-harmful games. bye~
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>>493400891
There is no rng it’s all skill sorry you’re retarded and suck at games. Everyone knows card games are pure skill and not rng at all that’s why gambling is so popular because it’s skill based and not luck.
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can someone even try to explain this fucking matchmaking?
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>>493404754
Rank doesn't matter, especially not in constructed. You have the same internet resources, you're using the same cards, you read the same guides and primers. There is no mystical quantity that is different between you and him, assuming you're not super low IQ or something random like that. High rank in this game just means you're familiar with how the game works and you play a lot. You probably pay attention while you play and minimize random player errors. Basic stuff.
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>>493404754
Stop playing a faggot deck and you won’t have to play in the homo matchmaking pool. Nice sleeves and lack of interaction too, epic!
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>>493405463
IoK and a creature that has to attack to trigger are both the definition of interaction anon. Stop using terms you don't understand.
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>>493405367
so the matchmaking is based on the deck, is that what your telling me?
So if I start playing today and netdeck a top tier deck i get paired against rank 1?
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>>493405463
that entire deck is based on interaction you fucking retard
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>>493404071
this but unironically
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>spend resources of basic land cosmetics
>now I can't afford a decent manabase
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME
I'VE MADE MY MISTAKES
GOT NOWHERE TO RUN
THE NIGHT GOES ON
AS I'M FADING AWAY
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>>493404754
I don't need to try and explain it. Taking one look at this month's calendar explains it. specially since you're playing a dead format.

really weird post
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>>493405569
>creatures are the definition of interaction
somebody should screencap shit like this
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>>493406028
>tHe EnTiRe DeCk iS INteRACtion thoooo

Lmao you kept a hand with no interaction in a deck that revolves around interaction. Re-re-re-re-RETARD.
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why does every aggro deck people freak out about refuse to work for me, I want to play something that's not fucking golgari
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>>493410754
You're probably being too defensive. Playing aggro well means knowing when to sacrifice board position or card advantage for a few extra points of damage, and how to play the line between overextending and letting them stabilize.
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>>493410754
Stop playing standard it’s gay
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>>493410754
I don't know, people don't play much aggro in Brawl.
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>every aggro deck people freak out about refuse to work for me
what was the meaning behind this message?
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>>493398391
well this is what I ended up with
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>>493410328
first of all, inquisition is interaction. Second, the hand is a good keep: turn 1 inquisition. Turn 2: Tamyo + brainstorm + fetchland = draw 3, shuffle, flips tamyo, leave tamyo ready to bring back something from graveyard
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>>493411641
Gray merchant in UB…? What?
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>>493412812
Whatever you say retard post the screen of that game showing you won.
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>>493413169
I did actually kek
but no i don't screenshot random wins
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>>493413368
Uh huh post rank then



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