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8 more hours until sleep
8 hours of sleep
20 hours of Factorio

Yes I still dislike quality
No I will not shut up

>>499169757
>No I will not shut up
we are aware

>>499169757
Me too

>>499169757
quality seems all right to me

>>499169757
seethe, cope and dilate

>still can't automate resource patch expansions
retard-kun...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGiTkkMOfiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpLrnf1jWK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP-jeBaPjmw

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>>499166619
Okay, so: I was thinking I could somehow mitigate pollution in the earlygame before being able to get pollution filters, but this thing isn't particularly good in any capacity.

It can produce up to 5.5 usable MW of power and a blistering 8 trees per minute. It's made with 22 greenhouse, 10 for power and 12 greenhouses alone just to produce enough wood to make 8 trees per minute, and needs HUNDREDS of trees to be planted to be sort of pollution neutral.

Meanwhile a filter sucks 75 pollution per minute out of a chunk for peanuts, but it's gated behind chemical science.

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im gonna pirate space age 100 times

ahhhhhhhhh I still can't decide which planet to visit first

>>499171759
you don't need much power in the early game

>>499172224
Gleba is calling to me
The spoilage, the combat, the weird ore making...
I feel like if I successfully terraform it, I'll be able to beat spage without a hitch.

>>499172224
Vulcanus of course

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>>499169757

>>499172669
>you don't need much power in the early game
That's barely enough to power 55 mining drills. You're gonna need 48 of them just to fill up a belt for each single resource, and you're gonna need assemblers to use those resources, and you're gonna need inserters to put those resources from the belt into the assembler and onto another belt. Now is 5.5 "that much" power? It takes way longer to reach chemical science cards than it does blue science, and even then that's just the equivalent of a handful of boilers in the first place.

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>homing ammunition prioritizes lizard doggos over actual hostile mobs and hatchers
Ok, this is the first truly terrible thing about this game I've encountered. Nearly unplayable.

>>499173872
it also targets the respawning flies over the nests.

>>499171759
just use coal power and focus on teching up to get solar or nuclear online ASAP.
wasting so much time on these early game contraptions that will become obsolete in a few hours is not productive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDCeOjHQZsM

>>499171759
I don't think it's possible to make it work anon
Maybe for some absurd endgame project, but not early on

>quality mod stone miners
>belt to furnaces
>quality items don't stack
>deadlocks

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>>499174697
You dont quality intermediates, you dumb fuck.

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>>499174101
>just use coal power
See, the problem is that's a recipe to get fucked in the ass because now each boiler shits out 50 pollution a minute instead of 20 because of the
>C o a l T a x

I need to keep everything in check because god almighty I can't deal with rampant's biters tearing me a new one just because I thought of using the tasty black rocks to go brr. That means wood wood wood wood since it's the only option that doesn't have a pollution malus. That also means wood powered furnaces on top of wood powered boilers.
>solar
It would work if you were willing to tank the upfront cost, but I'm not gay and I've decided to play permanight. Solar's for the moon.

>>499174910
earendal coded post

>>499174910
Not him, but why not? I have no idea of how quality works.

>>499175275
its easier and more efficient just to recycle loop final product.

>>499174910
True. Keep yanking that slot machine lever instead of getting a guaranteed 100%

>>499175151
oh shit i didn't realize you're using rampant on top of k2+aai
that sounds extraordinarily painful

can you make legendary landfill..?

>>499174697
cant you filter out the lower quality items?

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Didn't take time off for the expansion because this week was booked solid for vacation at work. Sucks because the DLC drops right as I normally get up and get ready for my shift.

>>499175445
>just build 5x more infrastructure instead of letting 1 recycler handle everythin

>>499175779
>you have to build a big factory in the factory building game
Oh no

>>499174910
If you don’t quality intermediates you will craft literally tens of thousands of everything for every legendary item
quality starts at digging out ore

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>15 hours

>>499176012
>recycler will literally spit out quality items 1/5 at base and 1/3 with legendary qual modules

>>499172224
gleba if you hate yourself and want to chop off your penis
fulgora if you want a decent challenge and good reward for your efforts
vulcanus if you want babbymode and make the other planets a breeze

>>499175652
>cant you filter out the lower quality items?
Yeah
The idea will be to quality mod your iron miners, have a splitter to send normal quality to the smelters for your base, and box the quality ores
Then smelt in quality-modded furnaces, assemble intermediate in quality-modded assemblers, etc

>>499176012
Quality is doubly better for mining and intermediates simply because those are the most high volume items so the highest odds at getting bigger drops. I'll probably just drop 1 quality module in all my miners and intermediate crafters and gather my crops after 5 hours for unlimited quality.

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>>499172224
Any time I get to thinking about any one of the planets for a while I'm like "Fuck yeah, going there first." and I've done that with all three planets multiple times. I have no clue where I'm going to go first. I'll just go where my heart leads me in the moment.

>>499176768
>he doesn't plan on bulding a mega fuck you ship and setting up on all 3 planets at once
weak

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>>499175489
No, no not AAI thankfully, that was so painful I just decided to rip off the burner assembler and burner labs off of dosh's mod. The last time I tried rampant k2+AAI I got a wave the moment I finished researching armored biters, and THEN I realized I needed to sink 100 extra green cards into electronics just to craft them. Jesus christ.

Anyway in any case in of itself the system is pretty straightforward: the only real option is wood until this is researched and with my basic greenhouse setup I can get 70 pollution for 7.5 usable MW instead of the 300 pollution for 9 MW I'd get from using coal.
That's more than 75% less pollution at the cost of 10 greenhouses, for a measly 1.5 MW lost in production.
The system is solid and scalable, but I need to craft an absolute minimum of 725 blue science to unlock those purifiers. After that, everything's fair game and you can reduce your pollution to 0.

>>499175652
yes. for better or for worse, they've integrated the quality system into every part of the game. on everything you can set filters on (splitters, logi chests, vehicles, and cargo wagons), you can set filters for only common, only quality of any level, >= or <= a certain quality level, or only one specific quality level. and on all crafting machines you can set filters to only accept a certain quality level of ingredients.

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>>499176975
I don't have the patience for that. I'm so excite I'll probably drop myself nekkid on the first planet and start from scratch.

>>499173872
what advantage does homing ammo have over just aiming normally?

>>499169757
thank you
keep complaining king
fuck quality

>>499177027
> I got a wave the moment I finished researching armored biters
I got a wave of armored biters the moment I finished researching electric miners. AAI really drags the burner phase much longer than it has any right to do, and K2's burner tax just makes it absolutely unplayable with rampant (granted, you can reprocess the fuel and turn all that coal into an actually greener fuel than wood, but AAI just changes too much crap for me to care about)

>>499177027
i recommend going for efficiency modules as soon as you got red circuits, before blue science. the reduction in power draw and pollution you get from them will give you a big reprieve, enough to get you to the point where you get air scrubbers

>>499177175
>on all crafting machines you can set filters to only accept a certain quality level of ingredients.
Actually now you choose the quality output, and it will only accept inputs of that quality
So you say "I want green circuit of quality blue" the only items that it will accept are blue quality iron plates and blue quality wire
If you have quality modules inside that assembler, then it has a chance of outputting a purple or orange quality, but the inputs are locked

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>No, you don't get it, I actually MADE a legendary quality IRON ORE

This is the kind of shit that Qualitytorio pl*yers are demanding your respect for

>>499174056
Yeah, that bugged me at first, no pun intended.
The ammo will also keep targeting the same bug until it dies, but the bugs die in one shot, so every shot you fire after the first is wasted because it's heading for a bug that's going to die before the rest of the shots get there. So you have to fire a shot, wait for it to hit and kill its target, then repeat for each bug. THEN you can magdump on the nest and destroy it.

I've started just dropping gas nobelisks if I find myself close enough to a hatcher to trigger it. The gas kills all the bugs at the same time in a single tick of damage. Gas is actually surprisingly useful in a lot of situations. It'll cause hogs and spitters to run from the area, so if you don't feel like fighting you can throw them at mercer spheres or sloops or crash sites and then leave before the gas clears.

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There's a fucking WORLD ANUS on Gleba!!!
The furry has done it again!
>Vulcanus has anus in it's name
>Gleba has an anus on it
>Fulgora remains to be seen but doubts are low

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>>499177481
honestly I feel like efficiency modules may be even more of a scam with K2 than they are in vanilla
you get the ability to craft air filters after crafting a total of 725 advanced circuits because that's the main price of chemical tech cards
That's 2 copper cable, 1 electronic component and 2 electronic circuits each, plus some glass and blank data cards and some sulfuric acid for the rest of the blue card
that's really not a lot

meanwhile efficiency modules cost 10 electronic components and 5 circuits each and will grant you a 30% energy consumption for each one of them

the biggest use for those would be mining drills, but I can literally print another greenhouse burner tile with start-of-the-game tier tech instead of trying to shave THIRTY KILOWATTS of power off a single mining drill!
I'm sorry, I just don't see it. The cost of those things is monstrously overshadowed by putting every single possible resource in the pollution filter and getting the equivalent of 7.5 MW of power back, PER FILTER instead of shaving 30 KW off a mining drill.

>>499176768
>>499172224

obviously the intended path is the reveal order of the planets

>vulcanus
practically infinite resources via lava, only limiting factors is space (but not as bad as the other planets), and the worms which you can see the danger areas from the map as soon as you get there and avoid until you're ready to tackle them. mass production of plates to jump start your factories on the other planets. new mining drills that massively increase productivity of your resource patches which comes in quite handy for the next planet...

>fulgora
limited space and limited resources means starting here would be a challenge, but because you were a smart little cookie and went to vulcanus first you have all the resources you need to get started being delivered. And those limited patches of scrap available to you are made much more productive thanks to those fancy new miners from vulcanus as well. the EM plant super boosts your chip production, combined with the boosted plate production allows you to manufacture in large quantities the best tier of belts, inserters, and assemblers available to you. furthermore, with the recycling loops of scrap and quality production being so synergistic, you'd be foolish not to set up your quality production here. so now you have the best tiers and quality of items available to you, allowing for massive throughput in your factories. I wonder where throughput is more important than buffering... oh right!

>gleba
with your resources rotting on your belts, and enemies casually waltzing over your walls to fuck your shit up, coming here first or even second would have been a living nightmare. but thanks to all the resources you need for your defenses, and the blazing fast belts, inserters, and crafting machines needed to outpace the rot all coming down from the skies like manna from heaven, what would have been almost certainly a dead-end becomes a walk in the park.

>>499178924
that's obviously a last boss pentapod, king of the pentapods

>>499178924
fulgora is covered in dildos

>>499175427
I have long dreamt of a MH game where you play as the Commander instead of the Hunter.
>create a base camp/landing site for hunters to start at, then send them out on hunts to make the surrounding area safe
>bring in supplies for the hunters, along with handlers, builders, cooks, scouts, medics, researchers, gatherers, cartographers, etc
>direct the builders to start setting up fortifications
>then start laying out a proper base, with housing, a cantina, smithing forge, reagent gardens, a laboratory, etc

>successful hunters return with monster parts, failed hunters need to be saved by other hunters and medics
>you get periodic shipments from the homeland based on what you ship out
>what you ship out is based on what you can gather and process in your base
>you can trade with locals at a trading hub in the base
>you can trade with foreign nations at trading ports built onto your docks

>you can direct your scouts, researchers, smiths, etc
>ex: you can have your scouts focus on exploring a volcanic area, have your researchers investigate ways to deal with heat and fire that give hunters passive bonuses or new skills, and have your smiths make fire-resistant armor and water-type weapons
>then you gear up your hunters and boost their chances of success in that area

>eventually your base is more like a city and you're directing hundreds of hunters working in teams to take down elder dragons or fend off events like stampedes all over the continent
>you even start building satellite camps that resemble your first base camp, and they can be built up over time
>caravans to get monster parts and resources from all over the map to where they can be processed would be an important game element, and these caravans would need hunter escorts, etc

If I win the lottery, I'm funding this.

>>499178924
fulgora is covered in "polluted" (aka poop) water, it is a giant prolapsed anus.

>>499178924
Anon, Its a spore hole. The entire planet is a giant Puffball mushroom. Hence the name - Gleba

>>499179678
> TI-89 drug wars, but monster hunter
fund it

>unlocked steel furnaces
still make the stone ones
I'm so fucking retarded
>>499179984
Gleba means soil/dirt
It's literally the same as Earth

>>499178924
>Atmosphere is planet-braps

>>499180126
Its a giant fungal planet and the gleba is the central mass of a puffball.

I want to buy Space Age through their site so they get the most money, but I'm afraid that it will crash horribly tomorrow morning
What do?

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>>499179220
eff module in mining drill double dips
first it reduces power consumption (which in turn reduces polution from boilers)
and second it also reduces the miners own pollution output by the same percentage (which is significant)
it is absolutely worth it to start producing eff modules ASAP and filling all your mining drills with them

>>499180358
I mean the name dummy

>>499177298
>what advantage does homing ammo have over just aiming normally?
While aiming is still important, if your reticle strays a little off-target, homing ammo will still hit it.
You can hit enemies in foliage or gas clouds (like the really dense ones that green alpha spiders produce that can't be seen through from a distance).
The magazine also has 5 more bullets.
I tested both a lot while hunting hard drives, mercer spheres, and sloops, and found that using homing ammo and mostly treating it like standard ammo produced the best results. Even when dealing with hatchers, homing ammo will curve to hit a flyer in many cases that would cause you to miss with normal ammo, with the way they tend to rapidly change directions and float around.

If you're legitimately great at first person shooters and don't have any accuracy loss when enemies zig zag or start and stop repeatedly, can keep your crosshairs on a spider over the entire course of its leap attack, can plink flyers without missing a shot, etc, normal ammo is probably better for you. For everyone else, I would expect homing ammo to serve them better in most situations just because the bullets will curve to hit an enemy that suddenly starts running, or if you're leading a running target and they suddenly stop to spit a fireball at you, the bullet you fired ahead of the spitter will curve back to hit it where it stopped.

what the hell is /svgg/?

>>499173826
My pollution cloud barely extended until i got ait pirifiers

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>>499174910
GRIND THAT POWER ARMOR TO DUST

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anyone else ended up with a "kill zone"?

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>>499180431
anon, it goes from 100 KW to 70 KW per module and from 7.5 pollution per minute to 5.25, but this is the cost of each module.

Meanwhile, with an air filter I can negate the amount of pollution created by powering 75 mining drills, and for those 75 mining drills I'll need only 10 air filters to completely negate their pollution as well.
And I can just wash the fucking things with water.

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>The question isn't, "Who will let me?" but, "Who will stop me?"

>>499181091
yeah, that's a common theme in 1.1, the biters pathing is rather simple. they choose the shortest path that leads them to the source of the pollution that triggered the attack, and they concentrate their attack along that path. it's predictable and with experience you can learn where you need to set up defenses and where you can not bother.

>>499181846
So you're saying that insects with only a basic stimulus-response intellect behave like insects with only a basic stimulus-response intellect?
No way!

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I have successfully avoided this general for the past week. please do NOT post any spoilers from now on.

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>>499181846
I see, thank you anon
>>499182078
no way...

>>499175779
What are you talking about?
Legendary intermediates make legendary items. Recycling any final product will waste FAR more resources which would require a huge footprint to have any reasonable parts per minute in the quality you want.

>>499182347
>Recycling any final product will waste FAR more resources
Would it? Are you not ultimately using the same amount of resources?

People keep saying Vulcanus should be first and that would make the game easier, but don't quality shit get unlocked on fulgora?

Imagine starting to build your vulcanus factory already with legendary foundries.

Will bots be able to insert modules into buildings after the update drops? If yes, then what qol feature do you think will still be only available as a mod?

In tunnet do i have to watch all the packets sent to properly route them or can i just connect everything together and only filter out the virus?

>>499182909
Yes. You can use remote view and put ghost modules into buildings. You can even put ghost modules in ghost buildings.

Rate calc will never be native unfortunately. At least we got items/m on individual buildings.

>>499182709
uncommon and rare are unlocked on nauvis
epic is unlocked on fulgora
legendary is unlocked on aquilo

>>499183149
>epic is unlocked on fulgora
I hate this so much.

>>499182709
Vulcanus is for resource bonuses, but you can't move resources by ship so it's a dud rock.

Deathworld or default for first space age run?

>>499182962
Depends
Early on you can just connect all the endpoints into one loop, so eventually the packet will arrive at the endpoint, even if it has to go through all the endpoints. Which is what I ended up doing (and it worked)
However some of the mainframes have an additional "challenge" of sorts. Spoilered if you want to find out for yourself. I have no idea how far you are into the game.
The Monastery mainframe packets have a limited amount of jumps they can make, in other words they have a "lifespan"
The Military mainframe packets are destroyed if they arrive at the wrong endpoint

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>>499183779
DEATHWORLD MARATHON
NOTHING LESS IS ACCEPTABLE

>>499184104
There is no marathon anymore.

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perhaps the declining oil production should have been addressed before winter

>>499184273
bullshit

>>499183149
didn't they move epic to gleba a while ago

>>499181607
- You won't use it
- It could be much more compact

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>>499184398
https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=619537#p619537

>>499184297
wtf did you do anon

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This game is kinda slow does it speed up ever

>>499184649
Sarcasm is hard to convey via text, and I think he was being sarcastic
Like when somebody says "Trump/Kamala will be an excellent president who will help the middle class"

>>499184687
there's always something to do if that's what you mean

>>499184687
What >>499184814 anon said

>>499184687
The game is fine, you're too slow.

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Blue circuit productivity won't really be useful for Fulgora, will it? You basically just pull them out of the ground.

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>>499184516
>- You won't use it
Probably not all of it. 2160 is the maximum amount of concrete you can use with a single mark 3 blueprint, I think. I have been using concrete fast enough at times to have to sit and wait for the depot to refill. Now it'll refill in about 70 seconds.

This was really a test to confirm that depot uploads stack this high because I have a power storage station blueprint that uses way too much wire, so I wanted to know if I could just design a blueprint to run right up to the depot storage limit, then use several uploaders to refill it fast enough that I could place 1 or more such blueprints every minute.

>- It could be much more compact
True, but I had abundant space here and like to build first drafts with lots of space to make it easier to monitor and tweak them. My next one will be much more compact.

>>499180126
> Gleba (/ˈɡliːbə/, from Latin glaeba, glēba, "lump") is the fleshy spore-bearing inner mass of certain fungi such as the puffball or stinkhorn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleba

Educate yourself.

>>499184603
It says Expensive mode was removed not Marathon

Expensive mode is a setting that changes the recipes for things whereas Marathon is a game setting preset that uses Expensive mode in addition to also making technology far more expensive

if i have to bet Marathon will exist with other settings changed to account for Expensive mode not being available

>>499185981
oh...
I thought anons were bullshitting me
I take it back then, my bad

>>499181584
I will never get over how absolutely atrociously out-of-place Helmod's UI looks.

Like seriously- fix that, and it will win from Factory Planner as the planning tool du-jour, every day of the millenium.

>>499186361
no way.
Factory Planner would still be better

>>499183643
>you can't move resources by ship so it's a dud rock.
Watch me install a mod to ship resources directly by rocket

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>>499186327
You were also semi-right, too
In Polish, Gleba does mean soil

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>>499186565
Factorio planner enjoyers

>>499186761
I'm polish

>>499186836
cozy

I'm genuinely curious if there is a reason to release a game on Monday instead of Friday, where everyone can go play it on the weekend.

>>499186361
I like it :l

>>499187669
Probably because if there are any bugs they didn't catch they can patch them out during the week

>>499187669
they have said a million times it's because they don't wanna work weekends

>>499187669
it's a small team not blizzard

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>>499184273
>>499184603
>>499186097
marathon is in

>>499187669
All other games release either on Tuesday or Thursdays.....but god forbid someone releasing a game on a Monday.

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What do you think it would feel like to shove biter eggs up your ass? Are they hard or soft? How wet, firm, or warm are they? Are they sticky or slippery?

>>499187669
The devs don't want to work over the weekend. How many times do we have to have this same thread discussion, old man?

>>499187803
Oh that makes perfect sense, I was thinking to complicated
>>499187871
>>499188237
yeah, that's why I originally thought that it would be in their interest to release on Friday so they can do all the last minute shit during the week, but I forgot about day 2 hotfixes and shit
>How many times do we have to have this same thread discussion
Sorry, I want to play blind so I barely hang out on /egg/ at the moment

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Lol. One foundation long for the modded Mk. 1 Hoverpack.

>>499188183
they spawn behemoths when they hatch so make sure to give a good shove

>>499188048
>marathon is in
Ok, I stand corrected.
I guess it's just other settings they have for that preset.

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>search for factorio vids on jewtube
>expecting comfy playthroughs of the expansion from other autismos
>video after video from normalfag "letsplayers", "gaming" channels, and "e-celebs" hopping on the space age bandwagon for clicks

12 HOURS TO GO BOYS

>>499188048
>you can modify other planet resources
cool
what about enemies on other planets?

>>499188659
It's because wube only gave keys to e-celebs.

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>>499188895
>planets
generous wording there anon

>>499188865
13*

>>499189203
>no vulcanus modification
damn
Also is that gleba seed normal? Is it always split like that?

>>499188048
>Lakes
Lolwut

>>499188183
Like a pinecone
And it opens up when moist

Hmm, I wonder would modding in space battles be feasible with Space Age? I wonder how many new total conversion mods will be possible now.

>pasted a large blueprint
>small error
>can't easily fix it
>assemblers have up to 65k items in them
welp it would take hours to delete this with bots

>>499189591
It's just the same hacky surface reskinning. Ships don't actually "move".

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I will be buying factorio and this will be my first adventure into a game of this nature(factory builder or whatever genre this is). What am I really in for? I do like building things and seeing it all come together. However, I am concerned that my factory is just going to be COMPLETE ass but maybe that is part of the magic. I know I want to utilize trains a lot and I hear there are options for that but does that make it too annoying? How I imagine my factory is being very separated sort of I guess.

Like I have one area that does all the iron stuff, another area that does all the copper stuff etc. Then the finished product will be shipped where needed via train. Not sure if such a setup is ideal or not.

Fuck I just realized that you can't get military science on Fulgora. That means no Mech Armor or even Power Armor MK2 until you go to another planet if you start there.

>>499189770
the game is designed for your factory to be complete ass. there are tools for people who wanna make extremely organized gigabases but making incomprehensible spaghetti is part of the appeal.
you can definitely do a train-focused base, yes. who cares if it's ideal.

>>499189770
>I am concerned that my factory is just going to be COMPLETE ass
I am not worried about that at all - it will be ass, guaranteed
But that's part of the fun.

Everything that is placed down can be torn and rebuilt
There is no cost to making mistakes, except time.
Design and build, and if you need to tear it down and rebuild again, do it.
Each time it will be better.

Your thoughts for a design are good and you should try it out

>>499189770
Get spage too for the full experience.
Desu I'm pretty jealous of people who haven't played Factorio yet that have the option of hopping right into the expansion, that has to feel awesome.

>>499189770
build how you like it. but don't expect it turning out good on your first try

>>499189428
basically always
the red biome grows one of the main fruits you'll be harvesting, the green one grows the other

>>499190242
I see, bit weird but I suppose I will just have to try it out

>>499190145
Don't you have to basically "beat" base game factorio before you can even get to any other planets?

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Hit Phase 5 of Satisfactory, was it really too much to ask for a nice relaxed final tier. This is all very extra and I'm losing the will. I'd hoped to be doen before Space Age came out

>>499190359
no, the expansion heavily alters the research tree so rockets are cheaper and unlocked far earlier. you can start visiting other planets around the midgame.

What is the appeal of these factory games to people anyway? Like what attracts you to them? Seems like a very niche group of games.

>>499190547
it all started with cookie clicker...

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>>499190389
How did you get over the previous 3 phases? What's your secret?

>>499189770
Eh when I played the first time I was totally able to just finish the game its not that complex you just make machines that make more machines

>>499190547
>What is the appeal of these factory games to people anyway?
I don't know, but I always had an appeal to anything that involves creating and solving puzzles, which is why I'm into programming and games like factorio
>Seems like a very niche group of games.
Very much so, which is why there's the /egg/ general and not a general for each seperate game

>>499190547
if your dick does not grow erect at the thought of paving concrete and steel over mother nature's bounty it's just not for you

>>499189770
>I am concerned that my factory is just going to be COMPLETE ass
It always is on your first run, but optimizing it and figuring out what to do better next time is what makes the game fun.
>Like I have one area that does all the iron stuff, another area that does all the copper stuff etc. Then the finished product will be shipped where needed via train
Definitely possible, depending on how you build it such a train-focused base can be extremely productive. Or not if you fuck it up, but playing around with trains is always fun either way.

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>>499188183
Probably feels pretty good.

>>499189770
What you want is perfectly possible, and I'd even encourage it, because that way you can build truly huge bases with crazy production.
There's 12 type of sciences now, but the first 6 give you access to construction bots, which will make building/moving things way faster (like, 20 times faster, really freaking fast). It's perfectly fine to build a shit base to unlock a few things, and then remove all of it and build an even bigger base right on top, or on the side. As soon as you have construction bots and a mall, the world is your oyster.

>>499190547
For me, I just like working with my own designs. In games that allow you creative freedom, I really dislike it when people hold themselves to a "meta" of sorts. It like sucks all the fun out of the game. Unfortunately, most games in our era and with the advent of weird streamer and e-celeb bullshit, people are basically all doing meta shit in any game they play that has options. Its really awful but I understand why people do that but it does make things unfun in my opinion.

Like if someone said "Just use my blueprint for the base design and you will beat the game!" that to me just ruined the game. A lot of people don't feel that way though.

any good youtube train tutorials for factorio?

>>499186565
>Factory Planner would still be better
Does it handle fluids with multiple temperatures correctly already? Like Helmod did 5 years ago?
Or are they still stuck in development hell where they require the entire mod to be up-ended and reimplemented from scratch to handle properly, as per comments of its own developer?

>>499189879
>can't get military science on Fulgora
Why?

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>>499189770
The most important thing for you to think about when playing for the first time is automating the things you use the most.
Are you using lots of belts? Automate them so you don't have to handcraft them
Using lots of inserters? Automate that shit
Same for assemblers and pipes.
Hand crafting wastes your time and leads to inventory management nastiness that can detract from just building your factory.
>However, I am concerned that my factory is just going to be COMPLETE ass
As long as it works then it's not that big of a deal. Spaghetti nightmares are pretty typical for a new player learning the ropes. Just keep in mind that you can always just move over a bit, build a new section, and connect it to your other base. Once you get robots and have things automated you can easily copy/paste sections you already know work and just double them to increase production of things you're running out of.

>>499191590
No coal.

>>499191485
This is all you need
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG4oD4iGVoY

>>499191746
NTA, couldn't you make coal from crude oil or am I misremembering things?

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>>499191485
Ignore the other guy if you want the REAL tutorial.
Part 7 is where it gets real good.

>>499191710
II was curious about those little minibots that build shit for you also. Are they game changing in a way that strips the challenge or are they just useful? I can imagine this game getting kind of annoying if you have to build or repair something and you aren't physically close to it. Like what happens if bugs start fucking up a remote piece of train track?

>>499191485
Yeah

Signals separate tracks into blocks where only one train can exist. A rail signal signals that the next block is unoccupied. A chain signal copies the signal of the next signal whatever it is

Use a rail signal when you're fine with a train stopping in the next block and use a chain when you're not.

>>499191485
chain in rail out

>>499191905
Coal liquefaction turns coal INTO oil.

>>499192117
the oil recycles back into coal, right?

>>499192017
Builds can get real big real retarded real fast and manually putting everything down is a pain in the ass

>>499192263
Obviously not.

>>499192263
No. Recycling can't undo smelting or chemical transformations.

>>499192117
>Coal liquefaction
fun fact, I've had Factorio for eight years and today used Coal Liquefaction for just the first time

>>499192437
>>499192472
erendeaaaaalallllllll

>>499181041
Feels like I'm in Las Vegas

>>499192550
That's something that actually makes sense.

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If they don't catch it the first time it will just go back around

>>499192472
>Can't turn iron plates into iron ore
Uninstalled

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12*60*7 =~ 5040
will i get the legendray fish before spage?

>>499192654
You're definitely getting the hang of it, anon!

>>499192017
>Are they game changing
Yes, once you have them and figured out the countless things they are useful for, you don't want to miss them. Unlocking bots is the point where you can truly expand your base
>in a way that strips the challenge
No, they make building less tedious, but you'll face new challenges when you unlock them. Think of them as a tool to build stuff for you when you hit the point where building everything by hand would take way too long to be fun.
>I can imagine this game getting kind of annoying if you have to build or repair something and you aren't physically close to it.
That's why you automate that with bots and trains that bring supplies for them.

>>499192472
>Recycling can't undo chemical transformations
Opus Magnum won

>at work
>nothing to do
why can't it drop now instead of in 12 hours

>>499192683
You can turn concrete into iron ore though.

>>499192017
bots build whatever you tell them to and you can carry several dozen. they also automatically use resources to repair and replace whatever gets damaged or broken, so you no longer have to manually fix shit the aliens break.

>>499192017
Yeah bots are big lots of qol

Why did you not add an option to choose a different starting planet in vanilla Space Age?

>>499193236
Bets that they'll do that in 2.1?

>>499193420
seems unlikely, they'd have to restructure the research tree for each individual planet start.

>>499193236
there's a mod for that

>>499187669
discord troon exclusive game sorry chud

>>499191746
Is the only stuff you can get from fulgora the stuff from scraps?

>>499193236
because they aren't designed to be playable that way
trupen had to make a bunch of changes with a mod to do gleba first and it was a bad experience

Does radar trigger biters?

>>499193710
not in 2.0

>>499193614
Yeah. Just the scrap and heavy oil from the ocean.

>>499188068
I prefer breasts on my Monday

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>>499193614
Like just this?
Just wondering how bad of an idea it is to start in vulcanus or fulgora modded instead of in nauvis

>>499187669
As others have said, it's because the devs don't want to work on the weekend if critical bugs come up, and you also don't see a ton of Monday launches because usually they'll spend Monday doing final checks and then launch on Tuesday, because preparing for launch on a Friday and then launching on a Monday gives you 2 days to forget what you prepared on Friday.

There's also the concept of ramp-up time. If you drop on a Friday, EVERYONE that's gonna play is going to be downloading it and starting to play, and they're going to have all weekend to play and break things. Any major bugs discovered on Friday or Saturday are going to impact way more people than if the game launches on a Monday and most major bugs are patched before Friday.
In a sense, the weekday and weeknight groups of players are the final beta testers for the release ahead of the weekend rush of players.

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>>499190547
Complex mechanics and iterative process in a dangerous world. Plus what separates the average games from the best of the genre is the dedication to enhance those qualities with performance optimizations, QoL, philosophies like "easy to pick up and hard to master" and other community services.
>Complex mechanics
You decide where everything goes, so there's a freedom of design and experimenting that can't be replicated. And then everything starts interacting with everything else in ways that even the devs don't intend sometimes. Each small item/vehicle behaves in a predictable way, but when you add a thousand of them, the system starts behaving realistically. You truly start to feel like you're the master of your own world.
>Iterative process
Just one more turn, bro. I need to place this so I can do that so I can go there to get that resource that will increase my production by 10%. The OG Flow state that all great games mastered.
>Dangerous world
You start from nothing with lots of ennemies, so it feels like you're making the world yours by force, it feels great.
I don't know if it's just me, but there's an "empire builder" kind of feel to it. The game is complex enough that my shitty decisions can have lasting consequences 10 hours from now if I fuck something up. The devs allow you to fuck up (and sometimes to the point where you just want to give up and restart).
When decisions matter, and you start to know your way around the game, you feel like a king, even when the game is abstract as fuck and the colored shapes will never thank you.

>>499193779
I love that so fucking much

I can't wait. Fulgora or bust. I hope someone makes a mod where you start out on a fucking nightmare hellscape and (re)terraform it. Like Nullius but you start out by pumping fluoric acid out of the "ocean"

>>499193779
Is there wood at all?

>>499193775
what about right now in not 2.0?

iirc some FFF said different planets have different ratios of asteroids, like fulgora having more ice. where do I check? I can only find info on the planets themselves.

>>499193525
Why would they have to do that?

>>499194039
Wood would require something being alive

>>499194067
makes sense if the more they're outside the navius system the more asteroids there are

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>>499192017
Construction bots will automatically repair and replace damaged/destroyed sections of your base and are pretty much required unless you want to go insane running back and forth when you're under attack. Logistic bots are great for moving low throughput items over short distances where a belt might be a pain to fit. They take a lot of power and have a battery that needs to be recharged so they struggle with long distance orders and can drain your base power massively if you spam too many. There's research that helps with those shortcomings though.

I'm watching doshs megabase video, can someone explain how reducing inserter stack size increases throughput? I still don't get it

>>499194154
You can't make nades any other way?

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oh boy the russians are so good at leaking the latest factorio versions

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>>499194440
Because the inserter will stop waiting to drop the rest of what it's holding onto the belt and drop a slightly less full hand instantly

>>499194440
it makes the swing times synchronize so they are constantly dropping items instead of waiting and reaching at the same time.

>>499194053
It doesn't trigger them in the sense of luring them to your base, but because it counts as military building it has the same attack priority like turrents.

>>499188374
How high? That seems virtually useless.

>>499189770
The most important thing to note is that every game in the genre tends to be very different. Satisfactory is based directly off of Factorio and they follow the same basic formula, but because of the details of their executions Satisfactory focuses more on sourcing resources and solving 3D organization puzzles while Factorio is more about the pure logistics side of things.

The second thing to keep in mind is that all factory/automation games are about OPTIMIZATION. The main skill developed in playing them is the efficient composition of factories and supplying just enough materials to get the job done with minimal waste. If you have no experience with these concepts, the only kind of factory you'll know how to make will be complete ass. But you'll notice all the ways it's complete ass, and your next phase of building will be slightly more optimized, and the other after that will be even more optimized.

By the time you're 100, 500, or 1000 hours into these games, you start reaching the upper limits of optimization, and only then will your factories not look like complete ass to you. The journey from making shit factories to making highly efficient and beautiful ones is a central point in these games. It's the thing that motivates many players that enjoy this genre.

>turreNts

>>499192654
Okay soldier, now I want 48 of those furnaces for iron by nightfall.

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12 hours

>>499193616
That means it was badly designed

LET US PRELOAD WUBE

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>12 more hours
the wait is finally nearing the end bros

do i buy or pirate Space Age

>Not worth launching any game I can't finish within 6 hours
Any suggestions?

>>499195175
Buy it if you can so managing updates isn't a pain and you get them the moment they release. Don't buy it if you're not eating because you bought it

>>499195191
This is 100% the wrong thread for you

did they make quality bonuses standard for everything? what I mean is, for instance, if I have a certain ratio of normal nuclear reactors to normal heat exchangers and I later replace all of them with legendary versions, will the ratio stay the same or am I gonna have to rebuild everything because some machines get more bonuses than others?

>>499195394
I mean I just wanted something to do while waiting for the update

>>499195191
try speedrunning nandgame

>>499185256
Is this missing a power armour or one of the armours?

>>499194934
no
a screwdriver isn't badly designed because you want to use it as a hammer

>>499190389
just automate the belt materials (easy) and manually feed + sloop for the remaining parts. it's extremely simple

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I made it tileable for the frick of it

>>499192683
Iron plates have no quality assigned to them right? r-right?

>>499194629
I see, thank you

to the anon who did the edge of the world run
did you use linux to improve your UPS?

>>499195494
From what I've seen, yes.
You'll be able to just upgrade everything from normal to uncommon or whatever and it will work. Exception being pipe throughput and belt speed. Might be a good idea to account for those from the beginning.

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>>499196027

>>499196027
if it's not a fluid it has a quality level

>>499196058
lol

>>499192017
Bugs won't attack train tracks. They go after stuff that generates pollution, so your power plant, miners, and assemblers. So you have to defend your outposts but don't need to set up defenses for every single track you plop down.

>scan hard drive
>presented with 2 options
>pick one
>try to scan another hard drive
>"no more rewards available"
huh? I have 6 hard drives left, and the wiki said I should only have 5. how do I get that last recipe being held hostage?

>>499191028
I want to stick my dick into one of these

>>499196419
just cheat. nothing about the later stages of satisfactory was properly playtested.

>>499190389
It's actually not so bad.
The Converter and Quantum Decoder recipes are very self-contained and simple, and most of the other things needed for final assembly are the things you needed for the previous project assembly phase, and quantities are so low that you can just set up a drone port network to get everything where you need it to be. My experience of Phase 5 has been that it's WAY more relaxed than Phases 2 through 4. The only reason I haven't finished it yet is because I want to build better factories for the Phase 4 parts because I cleared Phase 4 by using the same drone port method to connect a bunch of Phase 2 and Phase 3 factories.

>>499190725
The way I cleared Phase 2 on this save (my first 1.0 save) was by cheesing it with stand-alone assemblers, because I didn't want to spend a lot of time and effort building factories that were going to be immediately outdated when I unlocked the next tier of belts, miners, etc.

I set up an assembler and fed it from 2 storage containers. Then I went and grabbed an inventory full of modular frames to load one container up, and then built a steel plant at the nearest available coal node to produce steel beams. Once I had a storage container full of those, I took them to my stand-alone plant and unloaded them all and then left it alone while it worked through the materials, spitting versatile frameworks out into a third storage container. Which you can then transfer to the space elevator by hand, or you can build your stand-alone factory right next to your elevator and hook it up directly.

Smart Plating requires Reinforced Iron Plates and Rotors.
Hint: You can make these SOLELY out of iron using just ~5 lines of machinery if you find like 4 specific alternate recipes.

>>499196058
Steam lists linux as having lower processor requirements. Make of that what you will.

I'm thinking of running loonix off a usb stick and have the game installed to it also so that I can enjoy the benefits without having to join the cult

>>499189428
What would there be to modify in terms of vulcanus worm behavior? They don't evolve, they don't expand, and they don't aggro to pollution. Maybe you can modify the worm-free starting area and the size of their territories, but beyond that there's nothing to tweak.

>>499196798
>Maybe you can modify the worm-free starting area and the size of their territories
Specifically that and their scailing with distance

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>>499192969
>tfw same exact scenario
>Work
>Slow
>Nothing to fix
>Have to just sit here and watch the /v/ shitposters whine and make mountains out of molehills
At least I fucking love tiddies.

should i play Space Age on Ironman?

Less than 12h now. Almost one sleep away.

https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/5974009

>>499195531
Stacklands.

>>499196419
there aren't 2 rewards, so you can't pick them :)

>>499196669
I'm pretty sure USB r/w speeds are going to give you a slideshow

>counting down to disappointment

>Game comes out just as I have to start work. Fuckin hell.

>>499190547
Personally, I like to control my environment in games.
In RPGs like Skyrim, I love spells like Fire Rune that let me lay traps for enemies, and Conjuration spells that let me summon allies.
In games like Overwatch, I love characters like Torbjorn and Mei that can create turrets and ice walls on the field.
In games like Dota, League, etc, I love characters like Venomancer, Heimerdinger, Teemo, Shaco, etc, that drop turrets or traps.
In games like Baldur's Gate 3, I love using battlefield control spells that make certain areas impassible or empower allies, and I like setting traps like dropping oil barrels in a fight then retreating once the enemies are near them so I can blow them up from a distance.

Most games in the Factory genre are about altering your environment to suit you. You find raw minerals in the wild, pull them from the ground, smelt them, make things out of them, and grow your factory over time using them. The more you do it, the better you get at it. Eventually you're making massive, meticulously detailed factories that are borderline incomprehensible to most people, but you understand every inch because you've spent hours refining it.

>>499193775
>>499194629
When was it said that radars won't be considered military targets in 2.0 anymore?

>>499190547
you will never understand the satisfaction of making 2 numbers match

>>499197516
seen on the dutchman's stream

>>499196419
If you save and reload, you'll be able to scan for that final recipe. It's a weird bug, and relatively new.
The game stores the options you're presented with so if you keep scanning hard drives, it won't reuse recipes already in your pool to choose from. When you pick a recipe, it returns the one you didn't pick to the pool. This works fine most of the time, but when that one recipe is the final recipe left for you to choose from, for some reason it doesn't work and you get the error about there being no recipes.

>>499197725
When?

>>499194771
24 meters tall or five 4 meter foundations plus a 2 meter above the power pole.

>>499197794
idfk he's done like 7 already and each is 8 hours long

>>499197516
you'll find it out in 10 hours buddy

Is there something that fucks you over if you start in vulcanus and then go to fulgora skipping nauvis?

>>499190547
it just clicks
there's a certain kind of male autist to whom this kind of game just is the best. It's not for everyone, but if you like it it's so good.

>>499198856
there's no water

"Aquilo" literally means "that thing" in Portuguese, i can't help but ask what thing everytime someone mentions Aquilo

>>499199163
So no explosives?

>>499199313
slow and steady wins the race!

>>499199163
>>499199384
You can get water on Vulcanus by turning sulfuric acid into steam with calcite and then condensing it into water.

>>499199613
which you need power for
which you can't get starting off
cuz there's no water

>>499199680
Ice from space

>>499199823
>Is there something that fucks you over if you start in vulcanus

>>499199263
I assumed portugese were too swarthy to be interested in factorio

>>499196982
At least I can sneak playing Factorio at work a couple days

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>>499199823
>can't get water from sulfuric acid cuz no power
>just go to space bro

That's how long it took for me too

In Space Exploration

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>>499196982
>Have to be at work tomorrow and won't be able to play until 3pm my time

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>>499200104
>Can get water from sulfuric acid
>Can't get sulfur from sulfuric acid

>>499199974
I'm Brazilian actually

>>499199680
Are you literally incapable of getting any power if you just start there? Thats kinda weird

>>499200564
yes, that's why starting there isn't a vanilla feature
you need at least solar which is a prerequisite for a functioning space platform

>>499200564
That's why you don't start on Vulcanus.
Although I'm pretty sure they said in an fff somewhere that Aquilo is the only planet you can't launch a rocket from if you drop in naked. Maybe that assumes a space platform above ya getting ice. I dunno

>>499200883
I think the complete lack of iron and copper is why you can't rocket off Aquitane

In Oxygen Not Included you can start out in any planet of your choosing

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Just boil lava you dipshits.

>>499200883
If it assumes that then you're fucked if you just start there and cant do anything. Fulgora->Vulcanus should be doable then

In Oxygen Not Included you can actually boil lava to turn it into Rock Gas at extraordinarily high temperatures

>>499201104
>making egg cracking easy
>by stuffing it in a blister pack
never change, free market

>>499201104
I think my favorite part of this is the child with a neck that's just a little bit too long

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>>499201401
>>499201367
Obvious Plant is really revolutionary.

>>499200883
No, that's assuming that you have all the technologies required to travel to other planets already unlocked. So you'd be able to craft solar and use that to get going.

>>499201401
>a little

>>499201104
Can you boil the plastic?

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>>499200883
you can get some resources from these to bootstrap a base, but you can't get power without solar unlocked

i'm deleting all of my blueprints and cleaning up my mods
is there a final list of all mods that got added to baseline

When Factorio mods update to 2.0, can I still download the 1.1 compatible versions through the ingame mod manager?

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>>499203009
That's a good question
I would assume they are good enough coders to filter and download the appropriate version for the game you're using, but the 1.1 version might become deprecated
You can download the older versions from the mod portal though

>>499203009
you can only use it to download the mods that are compatible with the client
you can downgrade the client though

>>499202618
Someone'll just import the burner generators from SE

>>499203532
Is there coal on Vulcanus?

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To the one guy who tried to help me with turret attack parameters and Ammo_Type a couple of days ago. I finally managed to do it by creating two new ammo categories for explosive and piercing cannon shells alongside all the other categories, so simple.
The kicker is that ammo ... category in attack-parameters can only accept one category but ammo_category outside of it can be ammo_categories and accept an array of definitions meaning i can limit which shell goes into the turret and also add both for the tank. Total success. Your one post helped me.

>>499203608
Yeah. It's even where you unlock Coal Liquefaction. You get some bootleg version that doesn't need heavy oil and then the real version that does later.

It's also the only other planet with Coal in the game so...

>>499203608
yes

>>499203702
you can also make coal from carbon (which you can get from asteroids and spoilage)

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100 fucking dollars?

>>499204298
Limited supply, please understand

It's really fun to solve problems you yourself created

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>>499202618
>pink ore
>purple ore
TINKY-WINKY. Enjoy a bit a Pride in your factories.

>>499181041
There is an error in this setup. There is no input of modules and assemblers, while the recyclers lose 75% of their resources

>>499205551
the input is in the upper right.

>>499205873
left*

>>499204726
Given enough time. I love revisiting something I did 20-100 hours ago and realizing how much better I've gotten in such a short span of time as I redo it 10x better.
But if I just finished it and I spot a major problem to fix, nothing makes me want to uninstall harder.

>>499175398
>more efficient
false

fuck it's 3 am again I shouldn't have ever reinstalled factorio

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>>499202202
Well.. no one is going to stop you.

when will they make a magical version of Factorio

>>499206902
Funny you mention that

>>499206902
mods can do it
there just isn't much demand

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>>499204298
Look at the back of the package, nerd.

>>499207228
>Look at the back of the package
What do you think I am, a nerd?

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How do I deal with spitters fucking up my turret? Or am I just fucked?

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Construction robots.