Brawling Edition>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to give feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>Latest Patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/10-18-2024-update-2.39693/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be autistic.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, play bot matches.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlocked.wiki/https://liquipedia.net/deadlock/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1yfPHJsMrKcg_8wqa95qu0sOFxRdzKLF_eUWOZX7RLHcThreadlocked:>>499508559
30/45 -> 20/30 for shiv next patchtrust the plan
>>499574526reddit will still be crying
Gunbop or bombop for Phantom rank?
I don't fucking understand why people keep picking Yamato in these pro games.The hero is not good right now, she had ONE patch of being good in the last 4 months and that's it.The fucking Yamato DESTROYED her solo lane and had all the resources put into her, she had 2-3 people on her team rotating just to make sure she couldn't get ganked or dived and she got ganks herself.At one point she was like 4/0 and had twice of the abrams networth but still dies because she's insanely kiteable and then the abrams now like 1k souls behind STILL fucking kills her 1v2 and then kills warden right after and then keeps fighting for another 15 seconds.In not a single one of these pro games I've seen Yamato do jack shit even when she's given the keys to the game in a satin pillow.I just don't fucking understand man.
Ranked was surprisingly fun, there were few whiners but everyone seemed to be my skill level and pretty equal in scores and souls.
>>499575102Gunbop
>tfw no fart hero
>>499575507Your Viscous, Sir?
They're gonna overbuff talon, just you wait
>>499575360i tanked my normal-game winrate by playing Mo&Krill and now have to hardcarry every game with wardensucks having to explain macrogame to total inbreds ("yo haze can you take those three waves pushing our walker theyre right next to you")its like watching people get excited over finding 50ct they find when a 200$ bill is right next to them
Sex with Abrams
>>499575856You got it
>>499575981Damn that sucks, also my normal elo rating since I suck at aiming. It's funny watching my teammates go 1v4 one by one instead of grouping up or pushing.
why is his name seven?
The black woman of Valve unoriginality.These are TWO different characters.
>>499576350He killed seven really famous mystics during the course of his failed execution
>>499575225I think Yamatos value comes purely from her ult. It disrupts so much of what's going on that it helps just fuck up a team fight without needing to actually do anything.
>>499574526See, I think the problem with Shiv isn't so much his damage as it is that a lot of items stack way too well on his bleed. He can hit you with the bleed once and that will automatically apply something like 10-12 stacks of Escalating Exposure by itself depending on if he has the duration fully buffed or not.The real nerf would be to make DoT effects get less of a boost from items, which would also nerf Infernus.
spirit warden being not bad is the stupidest shit imaginable
>>499575225she's a bad hero but "pros" insist on playing her because she's "high skill cap" or somethingunkillable for x seconds is a fucking meme when theres so many ways to extend ttk in this game.
>>499575225>>499576610she gets 2x value out of refresher>burn all your cooldowns>ult>spam>refresher>spam>ult>spamthat's why
>>499576710Agreed >>499576719Why
>lose duo lane, lose game, get ganked, play poorly>I sleep>solo lane against a better solo lane character with faster bullets etc>I fucking seethe to the point of yelling non-stop and ultra tilt myself and have to leave the house to clear my head>>499576710His bleed isn't the issue. His passives are pretty busted, and being constantly at high levels of rage gives him crazy buffs and the double dash.
are creeps the candle guys or the eyeball guys?
>>499577690Both creepsLane creeps and neutral creeps
>playing Warden>fighting with or against Bebop>with or against lash>don’t remember>warden says,”Bebop, do I look like Lash?”Hehe
Who was in the wrong here?
>>499578512Definitely the abrams for not holding vindicta down
apparently im one of the best lashes in the worldfeels good man
>RANKED DISTRIBUTIONTOP LEFT: DOTA 2TOP RIGHT: LOLMIDDLE: DEADLOCKBOTTOM LEFT: OVERWATCHBOTTOM RIGHT: VALORANTAs I suspected, Archon is basically gold/platinum rank.The middle graph is deadlock. I flipped it because the retard had it backwards when EVERY other game has their graph going the opposite direction.
>>499576949The games are not reaching yamato buying refresher lmao>>499576610In pro people just kite it.It takes so fucking long to go off, in that game the yamato ult just got kited and she did nothing with it.She was only good when escalating was literally broken.
>>499578816>league and val have more at the lower barrier of the ranks>deadlock has more at the top barrierweird discrepancy, wonder why?
>>499578786you're like 300 off
>>499579326300 out of potentially hundreds of thousands of players is still pretty good, I was like 443 earlierpeople are really underestimating the value of just using his ult every single time it's off cooldown, or climbing onto roofs and air dashing for a 1000 damage ground slam
Streaming at cl_ogar0 if you even care!
Gun Dynamo used to intakill everything
>>499578786where do you find this?
851BW9/12GET IN HERE!!!
>someone instantly took bebopit's over
>Buy silencing items en masse>Giga hard carry yamato becomes a non factorlmao what a dogshit ass hero
When im on top of networth i know i will lose
>seven suicides into buildings for half the game>does no damage>wins 1 fight>suddenly 50% lifesteal vampire that deletes you with his 3aids character.
>>499579945t. Swallow God
Amber Hand needs some good players.
>>499580043Idk i just walk at himT. Paradox
>>499580043It's more like one team had cyruktez.Genuinely haven't seen that nigga go positive once, hell even neutral.
kick laasti, confirmed self admitted cheater
>>499579763deadlocktracker, not sure on their methodology for per hero MMR though
>>499578816Source?
>>499580212poo peepee, confirmed self admitted sneeder
>>499580152And paradoxThat hero cant winWith that being said i went some goofy ass build tooNote to self, reverb on grenade isnt very good
>>499578816Here is a better deadlock graph.>>499580152Holy based Oracle chad calling OUT Archon shitters
REMINDERALWAYS BET ON CHAD HEX
>>499580152dude what's your deal with me
851BW11/12!!!
>>499580212Didnt help him win last game so.idkHe must have toggled off
Inhouse clique bullying people based on rank already.That was fast.
>>499580476You use linux hahahaha
>>499580490oh yeah we shoudl just totally keep him in he totally never will ever toggle cheats on again ever :)Fucking retard. Just because he sandbags a few games doesn't mean he can't or won't turn on cheats again.
One good player to amber team and we can start
>>499580212Based cheatergod shitting on the trannyhouse
>>499580604people have already been using negro score nothing new zzz
bug switch with me (vindicta)
One more human needed851BW11/12
>>499580604Only like 4 people in the current lobby even have ranks which is crazy.
>>499580678So now we lose not one but two lanes?Deal.
>>499580838dw i carry(first time on geist btw)
>>499580604barely anyone has a rank in inhouse because they'd rather be playing inhouse than ranked
ACK
>>499580792I'm not playing ranked so I can ranked in a game that is in its ALPHA.I'll consider it when the game launches
anyone got stats for last game
>>499580792Maybe transhouse players are interesting in betatesting ranked for valve>>499580915I played one game, i dont need the cortisol spikesUpdate tomorrow right lads? Holliday tomorrow right lads
>>499581005no
EVERYONE LEAVE THE LOBBY YOU NEED TO FUCKING UPDATE
>>499580915Meta is trash right now and tomorrow they might add one of the heroes I've been waiting for ages, either Callico or Holliday.SURELY this piece of shit company won't drop another nothing burger shitty patch that makes the game worse.
>>499581068LIAR!
>>499581068Excellently done
>>499581068Honestly the game updates so frequently I just believed it.
>>499579692Shaker can you post that gif of the Ivy speaking on what I believe is gmod.
851BWJUST NEED ONE MORE FOR EPIC GAME!!!
Gonna afk for 2 mins DO NOT START
Gonna shit for 2 hours DO NOT START
>Gonna shit for 2 hours DO NOT START
>>499580415i thought phantom was above oracle
>>499581941Highest rank on right
>>499582141i see i am retarded
When patch
>>49958220519 hours i think?
>>499582205In 18-19 hours
why is geist a must pick/ban now this game is dumb
>>499580436>goo ball not on this list
Is anyone else getting just the worst games in the world right now on unranked? Just blew my top at my team because everyone played like absolute cowards and had the most dogshit positioning. It was genuinely the worst I've ever seen WRT people being afraid to go in.
>>499582590Probably the best 1v1er in the game
>>499583448I just played some games with my friends and they're shit at the game so it's not very fun stomping people. Just had a game where I had 24 kills and 43k objective damage in 30 minutes.
High rise hooker
does stuff like point blank and emblem boosting weapon damage also apply to melee?
>>499583731all bullet damage does, even glass cannon
>>499583704roof topping is so kino
>>499582205Two more weeks
Is it just me or have unranked lobbies gotten so much more bitter and angry now that ranked is out? Had this lobby where the arab named lash just had a game long argument with the enemy team which almost everyone started joining in on. They invited the lash to "mock arabs" steam group, he calls them a zionist, blah blah blah they even bring up the WR tracker.You'd think with ranked existing people would be less sweaty and angry in casual but it's been the opposite
>>499583909I just wasn't sure if conditional stuff like that also did
total aimchud deaththis is a moba not csgo you annoying faggots
jesus christ Kuzconat, Ivy is not your character little bro.
TOTAL HAZE LOVE. HAND HOLDING WITH HAZE. DANCING WITH HAZE. CUDDLING WITH HAZE. SNUGGLING WITH HAZE IN BED. KISSING HAZE. SWAPPING SALIVA WITH HAZE. MARRIAGE WITH HAZE. HAZE IN A BEAUTIFUL WEDDING DRESS. MATING WITH HAZE. IMPREGNATING HAZE. HAZE GIVING BIRTH TO OUR SMOKE CHILDREN. HAZE CRADLING OUR SMOKE CHILDREN IN HER ARMS WITH TEARS OF HAPPINESS IN HER EYES.
>>499585256*buys headhunter and shoots you to death*What now mobabro?
>>499585385This except Geist
>>499584964autism
i carried
Not playing inhouse while this laasti guy is playing, saw the most sus shit I've seen out of non russian hands.Ban this guy or inhouses are dead.Reminder you can also file a manual report.
i got carried
ggs, sleep
>>499585785He was already caught cheating in the inhouse but I guess we all just forget or sum idk haha.
>>499586546not the host.
Is there an in-house scheduled for this very moment? I would like to play with my good anonymous friends at /dlg/ despite being bad at Deadlock
>>499584964post YOURS
>>499587890in order to join the inhouse you have to suck my dick, every member of the inhouse had to do that to get in
>>499582590>best 1v1 in the game with a 4 second silence and her uno reverse ult>can also spend all her time chucking massive bombs that leave radioactive cum splatter across an entire alleyway>or spamming 3 down lane which has the range of a ballistic missile"oh but you can just kill her!""just get heal reduction lul"the strongest characters are consistently the ones that can take objectives the fastest and force the enemy team to respond unfavorably, Geist requires you send multiple people to deal with her because if she's not braindead she's usually winning the 1v1, and if she is she's hanging back spamming grenades and being a nuisance you can't fight anyway
Is there a way to see everyone's rank in the inhouse? Or is rank always hidden outside of ranked matches?
what ping do you consider to be unplayable im this game?i would like to play the inhouses sometime but being on the other side of the world from US east doesnt bode well for my enjoyment
>>499588285just hovering over there name in lobby will tell you
>>499588385we already have a few forced 0 agents in the inhouses so you'll fit right in
What if I greenmaxxed talon with lifesteal and armor?
>>499588079is it big and are you cute
>>499588448Most players are unranked so it just wont show anything.
so how can you have one rank if we have per-hero MMR?how does that even make sense?
>>499584653People who don't play ranked when solo are typically doing so to protect their ego from getting a rank lower than they think they deserve.
>>499588658>if we have per-hero MMRYou don't, trust met. Gets ass-raped every time I try a new hero because I played 50 games on Infernus before anything else
>>499588608its above avg :)and my grandma also calls me cute :)
>anong pipiliin mo, deadlock o ako
after playing it for a day yeah I'm gonna say melee pocket is pretty fucking good. an extra 40% melee damage on top of everything else is no joke - all 4 of your moves being good even if you aren't using a spirit build is nice too.
>>499588929I'm in. Let's game.
>>499582375>>499582391fuck i normally go for a run on thursday so i thought it was thursday today (i went for a run)
If they don't nerf mystic reverb Geist tomorrow I am going to fucking SCREAM.
>>499583704Fuck off. Paradox can also do this.
geist is kind of bullshit, huh?
>>499589504Yeah, that was my second game on her and she just shits on people if your aim is half decent.
mcginny suicides into walkers to pull 1v2 and geist catches upneat fucking game
>>499581247No
>>499589504No shit why do you think she's perma pick in pro?She's shiv tier.
>>499589246uhh ok
>>499589748None of the faggots in here complain about her nearly as much as Shiv though.
They need to add draft and bans to this poopy butt game or it'll bleed to death faster than an ivy laning against a shiv.
>>499581247i got it
>>499589803You can actually kill Geist at least
>>499589403
Goo Status: Team Fights All NightAlso, buying Rescue Beam, Majestic Leap, and Warp stone is just sooo good. I was behind like 2k on souls, but still able to do shit because high mobility.
>>499589727cringe>>499589836based
>>499589829Yeah the fact that you can autolose the game if you get a bad matchup teamwise or get personally turbofucked with no recourse is pertty bad
if you play mcginnis and just suicide push you're legitimately carried and are basically saying "I don't want to play the game in a fair way"
>>499589856It requires as much effort as killing Shiv. You need at least two people to do it and one of those two is probably going to die in the process.
https://files.catbox.moe/9dwqzo.mp4>>499581247>>499581247
I genuinely hate how you can shit on mo n krill all game but he gets his gay little phantom strike and now the game is unplayable
>>499589973Wrong
alright gay talon's has to be the most fucking unfun gun to fire in the entire game not even pre-rework visc gun was this dogshit
>>499590027>no soundWhy
851BW2-4 slots left? (idk if the two spectators are actually spectating or what)
851BW10/12 lads, get in here.
I dunno if this is a good thing or a bad thing but I feel like I almost never buy t4 items. whenever I'm able to shop I have too many t3 items to buy and then the game ends
>>499590076Yes, that's how MOBAs work
>>499590113It never had any...
>>499589861>parry doesn't affect the uppercutFraudulent.
the inhouse is dying
>>499590083Don't worry next patch will nerf him and yamato again and then buff lash or some retarded top 3 bullshit These devs are paid 180k a year btw
>>499590304Parry should block Abrams' charge too
>>499590327grey talon was buffed last patch dipshit.
>>499590191Sounds like you arent farming fast enoigh and just barely scraping byBut sure, not every game will go past 30min >Tfw only genuinely like paradox>Waiting for holliday to drop so i can have new main
if i play abrams will people be mad
>>499590309Calm down its the middle of the week, some of us a life (work)
>>499590423there's a lash player, it doesn't matter
>>499590413>- Grey Talon: Fire Rate no longer scales with Spirit Power>- Grey Talon: Movespeed no longer scales with Spirit Powerlol
You guys just aren't used to Geist being not trash tier. Screaming for nerfs before you even bother to learn counter play is just gonna make a very stale meta>NOOOO HAZE AND INFERNUS ARE FINE LEAVE THEM ALONE!!! IN FACT THEY NEED A BUFF BECAUSE IF YOU BUY 3 COUNTER ITEMS THEY'RE ONLY SLIGHTLY GOOD!!!
>>499590561His bullet scales with spirit power, literally no one in the game has a way to scale BASE bullet damage.
>>499590327didn't say it was bad just really fucking shit to fire
>>499590387Parry should affect more things. Nearly everything in this game should be parryable, jumpable, shootable, or meleeable to counter it.
>>499590083It's so slow, if you get a fire rate debuff put on you it's like you just got disarmed
>>499590592So uhhh what's the counterplay to Geist chucking mile wide bombs that linger for 6 hours all over that map that slow you by 90% and take off half your health if you so much as dare to touch it.
Paradox is a shit hero designNot because her kit is bad or anything; it's goodBut because her kit is designed around making other people unable to play the game, and is entirely uninteractive>WallDisables enemy shooting>GunDisables enemy movement>UltDisables enemy everything AND free kill on themIf any of these had some level of interaction it'd be better, like Seven stun or Wraith ult having delays so you can do something instead of just get assraped.
>>499590187Bebop status?
The god and saviour of paradox race ladies and gents
>>499590813?
>>499590770>Disables enemy shootingthe fuck
851BW11/12 I'll join whatever team I feel needs balancing.
>>499590770this but with mcginnis wall
2 MORE FOR INHOUSE851BW851BW851BW
Everyone in Amber sucks. Shuffle.
>>499590770Wall disables enemy everything.
>>499590770I agree manParadox suggested rework, im gonna post it on forums let me know what you thinkQuas:A gravity fistA short cd, aoe light melee attack that bounces enemy players up and disables their dashes for duration, can be used to knock back creeps and allies tooWex:Pulse GrenadeInstead of dealing damage in 5 smaller pulses, it deals a LARGE pulse of aoe damage after a short delay. Can be attached to allies or enemies.Exort:Kinetic carbineA ranged skillshot. The carbine shot upon colliding with enemy or ally hero, reacts in opposite direction, as a reference to newtons laws of motion.Pulling said target to paradox at high speed.Invoke:Time laserParadox channels energies of space and time into a focused beam of light that obliterates everything in her path.While channeling she can float mid air, and has limited aiming capabilities, while harnessing primordial forces of nature that surround us.What do you guys think?I already dm'ed those to yoshi.
>vs bugshakerfuck
>>499590694I wouldn't say nearly everything, but I think a lot of things would be good. Stuff like being able to parry bepigger hooks and Shiv knives would be good, but obviously parrying the second part of Seven stun or Infernus ult or something makes no sense.I like the idea of punching/shooting things though. Like punching a Seven ball to send it in the direction of the punch, or shooting McNiggis' wall down
>>499591046kill yourself, her kit is perfect as is
>>499591046Good changes. Posting this to the forums as well.
Surge of Power on Pocket. Yay or nay? And where to put it?
How would you change Shiv's 3?
>>499591543Active ability that gives him lifesteal or shields. You can not have the delayed damage thing without it being extremely OP unless you nerf the numbers into lol lmao territory. See Stagger in World of Warcraft
>>499591543activating it once gives you a buff that defers damage as it does currently, then activating it again / waiting for it to run out will clear some of that damage like how it does when you activate it
>>499591751Yea I definitely think it needs a rework because it's either going to do nothing or be completely broken, there's no in between.
>>499591543increase the active's cooldownorgive him a debuff that reduces all healing he receives when he activates it
>>499591543disable the passive for 5-10 seconds after activating it. That or spends rage to use.
>>499591543literally just remove the stupid active effect
Geist 2 persists even through curse btw lmao
Ranked matchmaking is fuckedA game where 38 kills and enemy team only had 8 in sub 25 minute stomp should not be happening
no patch this week. this game will continue to suck for the foreseeable future
>>499593384And how the fuck were we a team of initatiates and they were Seekers?Guess /dlg/ is right that these low ranks are all the same for us shitters
I would rework every thing that I consider braindead and upgrade the game's "skill"
>>499594125elaborate
>>499594125aka REMOVE SPIRIT ITEMS REMOVE SPIRIT ITEMS REMOVE SPIRIT ITEMSGUN META > SPIRIT META
>>499578834Yamato can easily get refresher by 30-40 minBeside, Yamato is useful in early and mid game whenever he ult is up.
reminder you can leave and abandon then people cant report unless thy stay till the end of the game cause youre no longer in the list hahaha
>>499594609>30-40 minutes>proLMAO fucking wood mmr retard
GG's lads, gonna go make some din din :D
another win for bebop
desu me leaving yamato alone in lane for like a minute and a half because i thought we were swapping was the smartest decision i could have made, i would have just died again if I'd gone back
forced 0 inhouse agents: >everyone but me
>>499595051you got fucking baited by whoever said they'd swap he literally did nothing
Post results faggots
>>499592514>spends rage to use.Seconding this
>hear yamato farming our jungle>Announce through mic twice to shiv whos sitting on lane hitting creeps>Yamato comes out>Shiv still farming creeps havent moved an inch>An easy 1 for 0 turned into 1 for 2 for enemy team off thatI understand you want to just hit creeps but come on at least show that you are trying to achieve something
>>499595129I told him I was willing to swap and he said "We'll see how it goes" and then never said anything else. I was still willing to swap but I either didn't see him type to or he didn't ask to!
>>499595256I watched a shiv punch a slot machine on our side of the map after we aced at mid boss
>>499576183His prostate would not survive a meeting with me
>>499594594>gun>skillful when all the gun characters can straight up just cc and/or not give a shit about aiminglol
>>499595157here
>>499595256>shiv players>having a brainThey're the only ones to beat out lash in the carried shitter department
>>499595256i have 0 communication awareness because i'm too used to solo queue where everyone only ever presses the voip key to mald and as such my mind filters any voice comms subsconsciously
>>499595294You missed it. It was immediately after I died though so it's not exactly a good faith swap lmao
>>499595432I genuinely think that was winnable if we didnt have semi afk people Whatever tho, tomorrow im playing hollidayRight @mikuhttps://streamable.com/t0qn64
>>499595594Ohh my mistake then, I was probably focused on the lane, sorry!
>>499595627>tomorrow im playing hollidayNo you're not lil bitch.
>>499595627I wish I knew why my mic is so glitchy most of the time.
>>499595627sorry but ill be enjoying calico because no way holidays releasing with that joke of a hat throw
>>499595627>>499595785lmao holiday you mean calico
>>499595828Its everyones, most of the time its loud and clear but sometimes game spergs out and turns people into robots
>>499595432Someone call a Chiropractor for Lash. We would've swept our lane if he wasn't popping in every time we pushed up. That being said, seems like a lot of Amberhand players just had a bad game, if you traded Abrams for Infernus it might have been more even though. >>499595627I don't know what the hell happened there, Vindicita just straight up disappeared from my Perspective.
>>499594859that's literally not true
>>499595987Weird then, I never have it in regular matches. Maybe it's related to private lobbies?
>>499595651Np to be honest it worked out. I need to learn that spirit slash is way more damage, range and frequency than I'm used to.
>>499596075I really should have swapped lanes with Mirage at the start of the match, he's a newer player and I think he would have done a lot better in a duo lane with a Shiv who can tank some of the heat while they focus on last hits. He did his best and we honestly had a decent match even though I feel the teams were pretty poorly balanced. I'll take responsibility for the loss cause it was my call to take that last bad fight that you guys used to snowball the end.
>>499595627You got very lucky there, on my screen it looked like the knife hit first before you shot
tank talon build
GREY TALON CURSE TO PREVENT HOLLIDAY FROM RELEASINGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=gt9Bor3_XFk
When's the patch
>>4995964746pm est~
>>499595987>>499596119I was just checking the vod to see how glitchy it sounds and I think it glitches out for everyone too. When Bug said something about Bebop having bullet resistance at base early on I didn't even hear it in game. I think it just doesn't go through sometimes.
>>49959647424 minus 6:47 hours
>>499596405Just because of this whenever I see a gay talon on my team on inhouse and in games I will soft grief and afkgood luck
>laning against bebop>Can never actually threaten him because he has 25% base bullet resist for reasons known to nobody>He can however pull you into buffed towers and you are constantly at risk of dying>All the harassment he shrugs off with basic items>End up dying but i was still ahead because lol>Have to leave lane because one of my lanes is pushed to fucking walker alreadyParadox is fucking DOGSHIT
>>499596474since i always ask you niggas this shit every 2 weeksyour hopes fears expectations for this week patch and what do you personally want from it
>>499596615>he has 25% base bullet resist for reasons known to nobodyHe's a robot.Beep boop.
>>499596615>instantly lie about stats to complain about one of the worst heroes while playing a strong lanerTales from intiate
Holliday releases.New waifu in sub 24 hours
>>499596615last time someone complained about a character with base resists they got gutted so good job
>1-3 ranked>seeing lower and lower ranked and unranked playersi'm def gonna derank next weekIt's so freaking over
>>499596759>Just stand outside of range of his hook and shoot him bro!>Bullet fall off means you are fucking tickling himIts 10% resist but feels like 25
the way the voicelines talk about Wrecker that character better be some hideous eyeless gremlin from hellhttps://voca.ro/1iLcfYjAiUG5
>>499596759he gets bullet res on level up to a max of 28%. Scaling 2% per level or so. Hes the only person who gets additional stats besides the standard health, melee, and weapon damage. He also gets additional weapon range per level up.
if you guys want to watch a 50 minute game where our abrams dced for 25 minutes but we won anyway: Match ID 24469620this was high archon mmr
>>499597045We're finally getting a Jewish hero
>>499596615Laning against bebop is annoying but bebop players always feel like they gonna lose if they don't build a shit load of bomb stack or getting ahead and steamroll from lane. They bound to do something stupid when the lane is extremely passive and uneventful after 5 min
>>499596615>laning against paradox>can never actually threaten her because she has a shield wall that blocks everything>she can however chunk my health with her hitscan 3 whenever she wants>Can't even hide behind cover because of her grenadeBebop is fucking DOGSHIT
>>499597045>Ivy: Dios mio…el abominación americano...I think we can guess what Wrecker will REALLY look like
>>499597312Well i still outlasthitted him ans pressures his tower but its such a fucking gay ass gameplay especially when as paradox you have to wait until 3000 to get same feature bebop gets at like level two or whatever the fuck AND with better range and 1/3rd the cd
>>499597203you need to learn that if it's below Phantom, don't even mention the rank.
>>499597485>Chunk>With carbine that deals 85 damage Ok budMeanwhile bebop uppercut bomb combo 2 minutes in is 300damageYeah sure buddy Also wall has 40s cd or something stupid which is double of the hook
>>499585385What do you think it feels like to have sex with a woman made of wiggly smoke?
>>499597654your moms a phantom
>>499597881that's not nice
>>499597065I like heroes getting bonus stats and interesting stuff like that that would technically make sense, like Seven's (and formerly Grey Talon's) movement spirit scaling or Mo and Krill having extra base health and regen to compensate for having two headshot hitboxes
>>499597769wiggly and smokey
ranked is so stressful and tense bros i cant do this go on without me
total meppz victoryhttps://streamable.com/qxf5vqhttps://streamable.com/c2a22t
>>499598154i love my grand slam entrance
>>499598154bullied
>>499598154Was that really clip worthy, attentionwhore?
>>499598115ascendant looks like such a miserable bracket to play in
>>499597065>NO BRO TRUST ME ITS CUZ HE HAS TO GET PEOPLE IN HIS FACE!!
>>499598290it was dead even for 35 minutes and i almost threw
>>499597045AAAAIIIIIIEEEEE
>>499598154>The webmI was farming on other side of the map, came in to help the 2 retards who got caught out of position, when i wanted to go back abrams was already there and it was end of story Complete waste of time for me to eben show up on that lane
>>499598115not as stressful as our inhouse matches, right?
>>499598115Hmm... an even game? Send in the agents.
>>499598404>2 is a temporary buff on killing npcs>3 gets restocked on killing with 2>4 is a teleportso the idea is that you farm creeps for a while, then teleport behind somebody and kill them both with your newfound moneypower and actual power?
>>499598418im just having a good time brooling whenever i play inhouses theyre fun some of you guys get MAD
>>499598551Yes, but Mirage got completely reworked last minute so who knows
anybody talk about this yet?where are all the archon e-girls that need boosting?
I think i will just play majestic leap on every hero What fucking sucks most is when you have improved sprint, and enemy can just chase tou from 100m away because rhey have 30 dashes or whatever, ans you cant get away even if you spend all stamina and try to jukeLike on this webm>>499598154I saw abrams appear 6 seconds ago or so and i tried my best to run away but it wasnt even fucking close
>>499598013Grey Talon does have top bullet damage now because of the spirit scaling
>>499598759So what rank is considered "good"?
>>499598759Why is the intrarank distribution so top heavy
The VA for lash must've had so much fun. I love his bebop gank line>let's blow the sssshit out of BebopThis guy is a genuine joy to play
Match ID 24303983, I'm the Mo and Krill, partied with the Seven. No one else was talking. As far as good games go for me I'd call this pretty standard. I had my headset on backwards for the first 10 minutes or so so I missed some obvious sound cues in the laning and early in roaming. Other than that, anyone have any feedback? What do you think of my build? I like scornmaxxing with the goal of running around in fights healing up and hitting everyone for 10% every 5 seconds
>>499598759Feels like archanist and below could all be one rank>>499599106>let's blow the sssshit out of BebopHow tsundere
>>499599246They're so empty because the people who would be seeded there don't play the game enough to get ranked
game feels stagnant now
>>499599168Forgot the scoreboard
>>499598281Yeah I dagger'd as soon as I heard you ult so it was guaranteed to hit. We had a lot of great combos that game
>>499598879I think upper ascendant since that's when you play with Eternus players often, there's even a good amount of tourney players/streamers/pros in Ascendant 5 or 6.
>Play like utter dogshit>Never able to farm properly>Never able to help my team during teamfights besides shit and fart loudly>End up in archonThis means I can relax right? This isn't as sweaty as one of the bronze/silver/gold/platinum tiers right?
>start playing ranked>all the people i play with have the 'I' badge...am I in the trench?
Someone explain the ranks using overwatch rankings
>>499596272>I really should have swapped lanes with Mirage at the start of the match, he's a newer playerShit, I've played for over 200 hours and I still feel like I make stupid mistakes.
>>499594335sureAll shotguns are much tighter in spread and with a more even DPS across a range with a lower average DPS. Abrams Siphon Life isn't 360 degree it's a facing cone like Warden's ult.Bebop's Hyperbeam can be aimed faster but loses the point-blank AoE and no longer slows targets.Dynamo projectile size is shrunk. In fact everyone shooting boats have their projectile sizes shrunk.Rain of Arrows no longer shotguns arrows or flies but Grey Talon gets a hookshot that can wall cling hold at the end of it.Haze sleep dagger projectile size is reduced. Sleep dagger no longer has a minimum wake-up time. Smoke bomb is a literal smoke bomb that obscures an area instead of a map-travelling invisibility button that isn't removed when attacked. Fixation stacks drop when Haze shoots a new target. Bullet Dance loses its bullet evasion entirely.Kelvin's Frost Grenade gets a fuse and a timer instead of just immediately detonating on impact.Lady Geist's Soul Exchange ultimate is replaced with something that isn't a hard health swap.Lash's Flog isn't instant-LoS hitscan based and is a physical set of whips that have travel time.McGinnis is completely overhauled as a prime example of a "no skill, no problem" character with her autoaim turrets, retard wall, and AoE with a slow ult.Pocket gets more radius nerfs on all 4 of his abilities. His briefcase disjoint can no longer be cancelled early.Shiv's knives and slice and dice have their hitbox sizes reduced and bloodletting is completely removed and replaced with a movement tool. Killing Blow is no longer an auto-targetted ability with a gap closer but instead another knife throw that must be aimed and can miss.Wraith Telekinesis is no longer a targeted CC but instead a literal Telekinesis grab that must be aimed by the player and controlled.Yamato Shadow Transformation abandoned and the character completely redone to compensate.Probably missed some things but that's the rough outline.
>got placed in Archon 1>game isn't fun anymore I wanna go back
how can you rank up from lower rank to higher rank? how many wins does it take
>>499599831If the distributions are accurate then it's probably likeBronze/Silver newshitter creature rank = Initiate-ArcanistGold - EmissaryPlat - ArchonDiamond - PhantomMaster/GM - High Phantom/AscendantTop 500 - Eternus
>>499599951The game shows average rank of each game on the menu screen (where the voice options are) so just keep winning until you get to a higher average rank
>>499599684archon is approximately gold in other games >>499578816which is to say, about average
>>499599807Based on >>499598759You're OUT of the trench...for now
400 hours and i literally just noticed that miku lowers her mask when ulting
Ivybros, what nerf will Yoshi grant us this patch?
>>499599890>nerfing abrams 1okay now i know you don't play the characters listed because the skill is utter fucking garbage lmao.
>>499600173At 400 hours, what rank do you have?
What do you guys think are the chances that they overnerf shiv?+ Hoping for a Viscous buffI don't even know what you would buff I just want one because I play him
>>499600275arcanist 2
>>499599890i was expecting a bunch of nonsense but these actually sound good and i would approve of all of them
>>499600362I can't tell if you're joking
;_;
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3351325899/d2g/ vs /dlg/ when???
>>499600249Ass size reduced
Okay am I stupid or did they lower the charge duration for heavy melee recently?
>>499600507I have no idea what any of this means
>>499600362based play4fun chad
>>499600307if icefrog isn't retarded, he'll only tweak his numbers very slightly. It's really only his deferred damage that's a bit too much. I'd reduce the amount deferred by default to by 5%, then another 5% at full rage so it's 25% damage deferred, then with rage 35%. Nerfing how long it takes for the damage to complete is good too. Allowing him to take nearly half damage with literally no way to interact with that it get through it, then for the half that was deferred to take 15 fucking seconds to get to him just makes him absurdly tanky. Touching anything else is going way too far imo. Literally the rest of his kit is fine as is.
>>4996006951 team plays deadlock, other team plays dota 2
>>499600489You are playing underpowered heroes so lol
Is it worth using Ivy's ult 1 v 1? Or is it better wait for team battles?
>>499600824Haze still dominates in Archon I think
I'm starting to think slowing hex is legitimately one of the best items in the game. That being said it annoys me that it doesn't work on some stuff. Like mo can burrow and mirage can dp even though they're both obviously movement abilities. i'll give a pass on mirages since it he does have to sit still for 2~ seconds before TPing but still.
>>499600783Oh kekSovl
>>499600824This guy basically onetricks haze, all the high elo players make fun of him and he's ascendant 6No excuses
So i need your guys opinion.It was late in the game and my team was pushing their base. I was in the back grabbing urn and holding onto it.2 of the enemy team were trying to camp it and so they couldn't reinforce their team in the base. So I hovered around the delivery spot to make those two paranoid and indecisive. Either they let me deliver or they delay the inevitable loss by going back.They eventually chose to go back and I delivered it but some of my teammates were perplexed, cause they ended up getting the Patron weakened but got wiped. And they aksed why I was going after urn. I wasn't really trying to get the souls I just wanted to be bait and get some of the other team to tunnel vision on stealing the urn from me.I'm debating myself cause I think it could have gone very wrong If the other team counterpushed our base successfully as the only ones left alive to defend was Me as Kudzu ivy and a vindicta. But we had rejuv so I was like >ok worst comes to worst I or 2 of us can hold off their push till the rest of the team respawnsIn the end we did take out a couple of em from their counterpush and then pushed back to finish the game. But again I just wondered if I was throwing and what I did was a bad move at trying to play mindgames.
>>499600851wait my personal urn taxi can deal damage?
>>499601031bruh, bust gun in the game
>>4996010313 second silence can instantly turn the course of fights yes
>>4996011424.5+5 seconds with upgrades
Are they gonna remove some ranks? Seems weird how there are so many but most people are pooling near the top. Makes the amount of lower ranks kinda pointless.
>>499598074Sounds hot.
>Infernus going 2-14-6>calling us trash>disconnected >we won 5 v 6lmao
>>499599923HAHAHA, I'm having so much fun bro.
>>499600249Ult duration nerfs because people realized that 5.5 (basically 6) seconds of giant aoe silence on a 60 second cooldown (sometimes TWICE with refresher)! is way too fucking strongBTW if you aren't building duration extender on ivy what are you doing???
>>499597045>"I hate new york"kek
ALRIGHT I GET IT
Honestly a lot of the patches have been good despite peoples constant bitching. Having to actually commit to shooting guardians is so much better than before where people would just slide on the towers and take them in 30 seconds.
>>499602234I think that change was nearly entirely accepted
why the fuck does bebop have the highest sprint speed modifier and free bullet armor on top of having the lowest average cooldowns in the whole game?
>>499602234i still hate the zipline change but atleast they made the cd shorter.
>>499602234that change has the severe disadvantage of making certain heros basically incapable of pushing their guardian lane without basically suiciding into it
>>499601013>trade 1 person for 2 people sounds like a good deal to me
>>499602357giest takes the cake for shortest average cds not pissbop.
>>499602357You're supposed to roam the lanes as him to join up with teamfights that break out and be effective.Its why Fortitude is in his basic build recommendation. Be fast. Hook bomb and move on.
>>499602234>extending the dogshit boring laning phase>good ding ding ding retardo alert dingaling ding ding
>>499602357bullet armor is because his range is shortbebop is a top ganker, he can get risk free ganks assuming the player is a god at landing hooks
>McGinnis on my team carrying urn>enemy lash shows up and solo ults her>as he lifts her into the air I hook her and save her life
What if we just get rid of guardians and permabrool around soul urn King of the hill style
>>499599890>all these moves that do several things? I would simply make them do one thing so the game is boring and lame.moba players are so fucking stupid lmao
>>499602423good. forces interaction with other lane partners.
>>499602576>risk free ganksyeah thats the problem, other characters have to go IN for their ganks, yet bebop who doesnt have to, gets bonus shit on top of that.
diviners kevlar, the bonus spirit power you get for using an ult buffs the ult itself or is it to follow up with extra moves afterwards?
>doesnt show peoples ranks next to their names like it should>but shows if you mouseoverICEFROOOOOOG
>>499602509ok second overall, what a huge difference. Crock of shit noskill character regardless
>>499602916effects everything not just your ult 60~ second cd though.
How tf do I build Viscious, do I build cooldown reduction for max ball + torment?Feels like his gun is weak as shit, the alt fire has very short range, his melee fist gimmick means you can use spirit strike on it to apply different things.He can survive easily and fuck up enemy positioning but it's hard to 1v1 someone to death cuz the ball is easy to dodge and his abilities are very location dependent to be effective.So basically a rat/support type dude?
can i stop being the highest rank in every game holy fuck phantom players are bots
>>499603097>Its the 4ks vs 5k players argument all over again but in different gameKek
>>499603097Your rank must not be much higher if you're getting matched with them, tardbro. You are just as bad as they are.
>>499603097sounds like when dota 2 high immortal players complain about the top 2k players lmao pretty funny stuff
>>499603083i think that the E shift + echo shard cube maxxing is insane and is better than other viscous builds. Being immune while shooting out torment pulses is fucking crazy.
>>499602509not after maxing abilities. Geists first 2 abilities dont get CD reduction, only malice and her ult. All of bebops kit gets baked in cd reduction
>>499602668why not hook lash
>>499602701New gamemode: Capture the Urn>Urn starts in the bottom of the map at first>First deposit is at the top of the map>After that, urn and deposit points are selected from various positions to prevent camping>Each player starts with one tier 1 item>Each urn collected gives all players souls, but more to the collecting team>More souls per urn as the game goes on>First to 5 urns wins
>>499603040cry lmao his hook got nerfed hes pretty shit.
>>499603454That's what I was aiming for but he dragged mikus big butt in the way
Wish this game didn't rely so heavily on sound so I could listen to music during itOne of the nicest things about SC2 is that you can blast music and still catch the important sound effects
>>499603509his hook distance nerf got rolled back just like everything on your babygame character
predict her nerfs tomorrow
>/dlg/ turboshitters are now crying about fucking beboplmao
https://strawpoll.com/05ZdzJ2aNn6
>>499603639they give her boots
Crying about Bebop is peak Emissary rank take. Bet you think Haze is broken too.
Wait a minute mirage's 3 scaling is actually kinda crazy.
>>499603630but they fixed this shit if you still getting hooked by that slow ass fucking thing your retarded
>>499603387Pretty sure torment stops working once you're cubed, E-shift is okay but since the change to how you can't cancel it anymore it's not that good imo, it's still nice on visc tho since it counters silence but less than it used to..Echo shard is good
>>499602357>why the fuck does bebop have the highest sprint speed modifier because he has slower then average movement speed>free bullet armorbecause otherwise you would just headshot him to death when he hooks you in>having the lowest average cooldowns because they all have obvious flaws (uppercut/bomb melee range, hook getting blocked by anything in its path and forcing him to stand there as he fire and releases it unlike every other fire and forget long range move in the game)"why character have unique strengths and weaknesses, why not same as everyone else" cuz that makes the game interesting you degenerate. go back to playing league where 50 characters have the exact same skillshot/steroid/dash/ult setup
>>499603761>they fixed ability hitting things it shouldntgood, his distance still got unnerfed. >slow ass thingit moves as fast as paradox ult
The only thing true about bebop is he makes lane pretty miserable with his bomb. The AOE on it is huge, especially when he punches it towards you.
>>499603740bruh, you can hold 1 v 2 line with him easily because of it
>>499603761Honestly, not being able to hook behind minion is a bigger deal. Just stand next to your minion bro.
>>499603886Still significantly easier to dodge than geist bombs
>Lane Bebop>Buy reactive barrier>Rape him every time he hooks meIt's just that easy fellas
>>499603785yeah i just tested it what the fuck. I fought this build before all the nerfs but man they really did completely gut viscous from what he used to be.
>>499604014>get hooked by bebop>have reactive barrier>proceed to walk at him and watch as he tries to scurry away like a little bitchFUCK YOU BEPBOP
>>499603979You can hear her throw it though, it's not hard to dodge unless you're only dodging the second it lands.
>>499604115You can fucking hear bebop place his bomb
>>499603330im ascendant 4 and getting phantom 6 players on my team
>>499602796wow that's not what is there at all. your post reads like mega cope of a skill-less noob afraid of getting his abilities fixed
>>499604150The AOE literally hits the whole lane. If you don't get hit by the bomb you almost always get hit by the punch damage.
Is it my headphones or is the audio mixing whack currently?
>>499604172when you think of the ranks like dota immortal things will start to make sense
>>499604150the aoe on the minion landing covers the whole lane, and the bomb aoe is more than half of it
>>499603639They will increase her falloff to to 100, doing literally nothingShiv better be in the fucking ground though
https://strawpoll.com/7rnzVM9vLnO
>>499604115With 500 soul investment in mystic reach as well as her hitting you with her 3 before hand (fast fanning projectiles, extremely low CD, slow, AND AMP her damage btw), good luck dodging the bomb bro. It's only easy if she throw it across the map but if she is mid range or closer, it's not doable on reaction
>>499604150GIANT METAL MACHINE WALKING:CLONK CLONK CLONK BOMB ACTIVATE:BEP BEP BOP- BOP BOP BOP BOP BOP-RED LIGHTS FLASHING-BLINK BLINK BLINKGIANT AURA PULSING:AHH THESE BOMBS DUDE, SO HARD TO AVOID... CAN'T SEE THEM COMING.. GEIST ON THE OTHER HAND... SO EASY TO DODGE...
Bebop is literally entirely negated by pressing shift
>>499604448don't forget that bebop has to calculate the angle he's uppercutting the minion at if he wants to do it at range while geist just has the game tell her where its gonna land so she can mash it out
>>499604401The argument has now been settled
>>499604421Her 3 is actually her best ability but people complain about the easy to dodge bomb for some reason.
>>499604115Nah if that shit lands directly at your feet you literally don't have time to finish a dashIt's also pretty quiet and fast as far as bombs in this game go
>>499603639>Geist bomb>Kelvin nades>Mcginnis fire rate>Seven ball>Yamato just because>Haze untouched
>>499604290there were never any ancients in my high divine games in dota though, playerbase must be too small for ascendant lobbies
>>499604619>Sound when she starts the throw>Sound as it's flying towards you so you know the angle it's coming from>Sound when it hits directly next to you.Tripfag is a retard as always.
>>499603740Yeah. Mirage pops off in extended fights if you giving them negative bullet resist doesn't kill them. That's why good players build him tank.
>>499604660I just think Yamato's ult is really unfun to fight against because of her being able to use it whenever she wants. Silence only gets so far when you've only got a small window to kill her. I don't think she's strong, I just think she's annoying.
>>499604878Agreed. I think they should make her more anime and give her some anime slash counter instead for an ult.
Add the option to join a game in progress and remove the ban for abandoning games. I will not waste 45 minutes carrying barnyard animals who sit slackjawed under tower as i go all in on the enemy. I also don't want to play games where the enemy sits under tower for 15 minutes while spamming grenades
I think Bebop might actually be the weakest hero in the game
>>499603839>because otherwise you would just headshot him so what does paradox get?
Should I invest in DPS Yamato or in her slash ability?
>>499605301invest in her POWA SULASHU
Fucking hate WraithYes I bought Ethereal ShiftYes I bought Soul Rebirth
Bebop is a horse shoe heroHe's insanely good at low mmr and high mmr, but in the middle its a total crapshoot
I would actually care about debuff reducer if it actually reduced the debuff effects. It seems to have 0 effect vs stuff like fire rate reduction, slows, or DoT damage, etc. It seems to only reduce the duration of the debuffs instead
For some reason sometimes when I get stunned by Abrams I can't parry right after even when he doesn't have duration extender. Is there some variability to the length?
>>499605326Right now I'm using her like thatDPS -> Hook -> Slash (binded with reload) -> DPS Ult is free out of jail card
>>499605301Spirit is simply more fun and effective. Get some punch item like spirit punch and lifestrike though because they benefit her a lot, particular in the early/mid game, especially when the 2 heavy punch abuse still exist
>lash stomp -> heavy punchat what skill level do people start parrying this?
>>499605426Reactive barrier bruv, cucks her nigger dives
>>499605546Her power slash is where all of her damage comes from>Ult is free out of jail cardDo you know about the mechanic where you can use abilities while hooking? You can start ult while you're hooking as a free refresher. Usually two power slashes with a geared out Yamato is enough to kill them, the first one gets them to 50% the second one kills them.
DEBUFF REMOVER REWORK:* 30s cooldown* 40% debuff duration reduction* 15% chance to dodge a debuff* on debuff removal, gain movespeed and debuff immunity for 3s. Can be cast on teammates.
>yoshi replied to my postIt's in the bad Yamatobros, we're so fvcking back!
Bebop buffs
Spirit shields and resist are the most important thing early to mid game since most bullet damage is negated by positioning behind cover or distancing but lots of spirit nigger shit like Kelvin/Geist/Ivy grenades and mirage/shiv/infernus dots are practically unavoidable, is this correct?
>>499606024alternatively -15% enemy debuff amplification
>>499606136in the bag*
>>499606179It's currently a spirit meta so I rarely go bullet resist anyway, and when I do want bullet resist I'm usually buying return fire and just letting that be my bullet resist because if the 1 bullet build hero on the enemy team isn't dead by then I'm probably dead even with bullet armor.
>>499606136what did you do
>>499606179>>499606271Also early spirit shields like enchanters barrier can be really nice against gay shit like you mentioned so yeah correct
>>499606179Plenty of characters can fuck you with bullet damage whether you like it or not. That being said yes it is more avoidable overall compared to a geist who throws a bomb the size of texas that you can't dash jump away out of or a lash missiles from out of nowhere. Late game you're kind of screwed though vs a lot of characters cuz that's when escalating exposure is on the table which practically invalidates spirit armor unless u stack a lot of resists from other items
>>499606474kek good tier list
When are they updating Bebop's model? If they can turn TargetDummy into Mirage in 2 weeks then why is it taking them 5 months to cover Bebop's eye
>doing well>have 3 walkers and even saved 1 guardian while they only have 2 walkers>this is in the ba-last guardian goes down>guy starts throwing a fit over how we can't hold objectives>everyone starts arguing and throws the gamefuck phantomlucky if I hit alchemist this round. I'm 2/7 this time
>>499606313Asked for Mirage to get nerfed
>>499606313Told him to give her bullet and spirit resist back on the ultimate.
I'm really upping my ball game.My philosophy around Viscious is slowly changing from being melancholy about lack of kills to focusing on winning late-game team fights as a support.Majestic leap and Warpstone help to always be in fights, escape, get ball hits, and chase stragglers, while the Ult's purpose is just to be a menace, get kills when I can yes, but more to create chaos in the team fight and break the will of the other team with torment pulse+escalating exposure and stuns.I think my next focus is on using punch movement tech and using rescue beam more, the latter is very useful for surviving awkward situations and saving comrades and the former would've gotten me out of a few jams.
>>499606136I asked for Yamato ult to be reworked and her 1 power to be spread with the 3.Gave suggestions too.Yoshi replied and had likes and like 18 views.That was 3 months ago.
>>499606538>Lane stage>Get rooted & roped by Vindicta and Warden and focus fired>Escape with half hp cuz reactive barrier>Healrite behind cover>Duo lane Lash has decided this is the time to dive the fuck out of the enemy>Dies>"Bro fuck this lane I'm gonna roamAlright nigger
Is seven ult just useless past a certain mmr? I'm not actually playing ranked but I've played enough games where my opponents aren't retards
>>499606474What now, anon?
>>499606474>wraith>not rabidi would put money on haze, infernus, and wraith being the most trash-talkative and tiltable players
>>499606847Good in a team fight or saving a defensive structure but no you're not gonna 1v6 the entire enemy team trying to m1 you instead of already having knockdown or getting behind cover
>>499606776>Lash player crying when the kill isn't completely freeTypical
>>499606668You gonna end up making Yamato objectively worse. Good job giving Yoshi ideas to nerf Yamato, fucking retard
>>499606179I wouldn't say so since damage outscales defensesAlso the biggest problem with all of those niggers is that their abilities ignore LoS. Plenty of others don't have that problem, so it's highly dependent on the enemy
>>499606847Wouldn't say useless but definitely the weakest part of his kit. It's hard to get consistent offensive value so it's mostly used to get enemy off of your ass and buy some time with bullet resist and spirit lifesteal.
>>499606776Lash duo lane partner coming back from base doing a zipline meme dive onto the enemy standing around bridge as you try to clear one and a half wave of minion right in front of your guardian and complain why u u didn't walk through the wave to join the brool with him
>pocket, lash, shiv, yamato, haze, abrams (moreso melee in general), wraith all havent been nerfed yet
>geist keeps healthswapping with me because I am healing to full HP with inferniggus>swaps health with me for the gorillionth time>heal back to full againWhy do they allow such a shitter ult to exist though
>>499606847The first 20 minutes or so I almost only use it to ult campsIf you don't have at least five targets to hit it's really hard to justify using it, it's mostly just a 'press to die'The situations in which I ult as Seven:>Farming jungle>Dead no matter what, just to squeeze out some damage>Lots of minions to heal off of and dead if I don't heal>Mag empty, no balls, retreating would be bad>Multiple AoE CC's are going out (echo sharded stun, Lash and Wraith are ulting, etc.)>In pit on weakened Patron (either side, DO NOT JUMP use it on the ground right behind the Patron)
>>499605224>what does paradox getparadox doesn't put herself right next to the guy with her swap and usually has wall/grenade blocking the direct line of fire
>>499606474>Vicsious>Not zipping back with the biggest fucking dopamine rush as he bust more movement tech then lash to annihilate you with the combo because there is no greater feeling then putting a smug warden in his place.But enough about my last game.
>>499607081Depend on characters and your mean of dealing damage. If you build 0 resist as infernus by mid game and later, you are basically throwing because you get blown up trying to get in and just eat shit when getting cc for more than half a second.
>>499607312Yamato is dead.Abrams has been nerfed 4(?) times.Pocket is countered by a 4250 souls item.
highest kill mcginnis game i'm aware of personally. not even those ".0001%" youtubers have uploaded a game with higher kills. i have cracked the code.this hero is so hard to build for
>>499604387shiv is not S tier good, archon shitter
>>499607529lol enjoy the nerfs retard
>>499607471>just spend half your laning income to counter him bro>yeah its cool bro when ur brooling just have those items ready and look for him first in the brool with a bazillion effects going off at onceretard
>>499607526Post your build if you're so powerful.Also, typical Vindictia. Please buff.>Yeah, I drill with my mask offWhat?
>>499607312Why the fuck would you nerf yamato she's genuinely bottom 5 right now, maybe 3 even.She was good for one patch because of escalating exposure.Pockets fine right now, still kinda very slightly overtuned but nothing to write home about.
>>499607312>several mediocre heroes haven't been nerfed yetOnly Wraith and Shiv need nerfs from the ones you mentioned.
>>499607745he's probably a construction worker. sheetrock dust causes cancer.
I've seen the patch notes for tomorrowShiv is getting the hardest nerf I've seen in this game so far, holy shit
phantom 3 chad coming through (9-6) i just wanna say that you all suck and shiv players should kill themselves
>>499607312>Pocketaot much of an issue right now>Lashactually broken yes>Shiv actually broken yes>Yamatogarbage hero>Hazemid tier hero>Abramsvery strong but wouldn't say at the level of shiv and Lash.>Wraithmid/high tier hero
>>499607526>it’s another episode of vindicta not touching a single objective and being a flying creep
>>499606847I miss june Seven>get spirit lifesteal >majestic leap>ult>entire enemy team uses ults on me, not a scratch because i heal back comically fast>team wipe>break some golden statues>ult instantly ready again
>>499607909please be realput him in the fucking ground>and increase Miku ult CD 50% ty
>>499607782>Pockets fine right now, still kinda very slightly overtuned but nothing to write home aboutyou mean his built in warp stone + ethereal shift isnt OP in laning and midgame? waow!! and get this.. you get to buy 4k worth of shit, during laning, just to counter him? waow!!!!! while he just buys 4k of normal shit and deletes you? waow!!!!!!>>499607809haze is a pub stomperi can escape from haze's ult and i can usually tell when it's about to happen, but no guarantee the 5 subhumans on my team can (they cant)
what are the chances we get a new hero tomorrow? I like the characters in this game but I still don't feel like I've found a main.
>>499607745here's the build. at any given time i always have the highest health in the server.i pick a lot of items that kinda buff everything.health scales turrets, spirit items buff health and abilities, plus i go heavy with lifesteal.always push lanes and you will have the most souls, they're worth more than camps.i hardly ever farm other than tier 3, for the smaller camps i'll kill 1 creep, drop a turret or two and just walk away.
>win teamfight>mates run off to farm>repeat for 50 mins and loseHow to stop rice fever? Maybe if I farmed too they would be forced to farm lanes
The fact that characters have low health line variations adds so much SOVL. And its so easy I am surprised it hasn't been done before.Hearing the way some characters get desperate or vindictive is genuinely cool.Also post favorite voice lines.
>>499608163THEBOSSbros, I'm feeling pretty good.
>>499608076Seems fine to me>>499608340Use your push to talk key and be nice and encouraging
>win 3 games>tracklock and deadlock tracker doesn't have it>lose next 2 games>both show upI guess they only get my games when I lose.
>>499608380>THE HEAVENS BOW...>TO ME.Seven is too cool.
>>499604660Ivy’s kudzu deserves the ball seven treatment, but redditors are too midwit to understand that their furfag waifu throws carpet bombs>>499606847It’s pretty much a pretty animation IceFraud is proud of past 2 hours of deadlock. I made a post about it comparing the blatant bullet resist, spirit resist, unstoppable, and immortality other ultimates give over this low DPS AOE and no response has been given.
>>499608327Based. I'll steal this and use it to terrorize inhouse. Do you take Debuff Remover early just for the stats BTW? Or are debuffs just really bad on Miku?
>>499608403heyfuck you
>>499606847>>499607341An example of me ulting when I'm already dead. In this case Warden severely misplays the situation, and as a result I win because of the ult. If I hadn't ulted he'd just shoot me until dead.While at a higher MMR I'd expect him to win this (as he by all means should've), it's still better to ult here than not since ulting is the only way you even have a chance, and it spends most of its time off CD anyways. This is an Archon IV (average) game for reference.
>>499606474>Wraith>friendly hoovylol her kit is literally "fuck you specifically" you're getting grudged
>>499608664I was in a game earlier, aroudn the 20mins mark down ~7k souls, support Dynamo and spirit ball Seven ulted at the same time around. Dynamo got 5 of them and Seven didn't even kill any of them.
>>499607974how is lash broken
>>499608056It is real, I am not joking.
>>499608950Too weak.
>>499608950800+ dmg with one hit with big area and no counter
>>499607597t. short bus mmr
>shitty manbun>has a "pistol" in the shape of an uzi>annoying as fuck to fight against if can aim>can't even shoot aforementioned pistol correctly>literally just the mannequin in a skinI hate him lads, I really do
Why do shiv spells do so much damage? I followed a guide and bought 3 purple items and chunked people with 2 knives and a dash
>>499609140the pistol is literally haze's gun, just like viscous and kelvin share a character model + gun modelit's all stand ins. they've stated "most" of the heroes are getting visual reworks. it's a playable alpha that they're slowly trying to get to work. give it time, bud.
>>499609235Rage giving a damage buff on everything really elevates his damage.
>>499609235He is very OP right now
>>499607986
>>499608950>randomly jumps off mid at 8 minutes and kills 2 of your middle laners that were both at 70% health>does it again on the other middle lane at 9 minutes>you now have no guardians, no urn, no bridge buffs, no green walker and no bitches
>>499608163They should finish more blatantly unfinished heroes last minute because it's funnyI clapped when they added the least expected and least finished (at the time) hero, Viscous, first
>be me>winning game>be my team>they try to lose game by jungling and ignoring every enemy and objective other than creepswhy do retards do this?
>>499609308>we will get slorkbets are in
>>499609308I hope we get Rutger next.
>>499609380if the jungle camps were removed from the game my teammates would perform better instantly.
>arcanist III>just went 6 1 I just have feeling that my MMR is already predecided and that even if I win this much I will go up like one number. Valve games plus other ranked slop are notorious for this
>>499608163holiday: throws donkey kong barrels that do a fuck ton of damage and has on demand jump platforms. Has 2 stamina and enemies can also use jump boosters. Don't even go into a closed space with her or your stun locked.Calico: Invisibility with heavy attacks that are faster than normal and they silence you, also has the best base debuff in the game and can auto farm lanes like no other. Both these characters in their character's state are gonna be really really fun, that is if your playing as them. Both rn seem like shiv tier aids to fight almost especially calico.
>>499609442Needing to press 1 to rocket jump is gonna be AIDS, hope they make his rocket launcher work like Holliday's force-a-nature (rest in peace)
>>499609626both these characters in their current state*
>>499607046The ideas were amazing and I guarantee I have at least three times your time with yamato.Nonetheless they won't put shit in, they have absolutely no clue what the fuck they're doing with her and most of the game tbqh.Either way if you think that's bad imagine all the other feedback other people with 2 hours on her are giving.
>>499597045
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_dSEoNYe3x_nMyW4um1v7Kz_kl0NwLRqUCspwrnKliQ/edit?usp=sharingWho are you deadlocking?
>>499609770rutger
It's another episode of 1800 afterburn damage in the death recap.
>>499609578I know. Like it's such a bait. They'd rather hit the big jungle camp on the opposite side of the map for 750 souls for themselves while the enemy caps an urn with 6x to 10x that... It's infuriating to watch
>>4996097701) Yamato2) Holliday3) Callico4) THE BOSS5) Maybe gunslinger6) Slork olr Wrecker
>send like 20 feedback posts>not a single like, 3 views at bestit's over
>>499609770The Boss and his goons
>>499608698i don't use all of those items.miku is a CC magnet. she dies close range.she can't react to anything because she has no burst damage or mobility, and her gun is slow.i take debuff or unstoppable if i'm getting raped by stuns.i need to add more bullet resist to the build also.keep the lanes pushed up and you will be fed easy.i hardly ever farm other than tier 3. if it's convenient i'll take out smaller camps by killing a few neutrals and dropping a turret. then i just walk away.creeps are worth more than camps and they win the game so just push lanes forever.typically i don't bother with base guardians until all the walkers are dead. too dangerous.also don't use all your abilities up on walkers, you need an escape plan.most people just scare you away from the walker, kill one creep wave, and then leave.this is especially true if you saved your wall for your escape.you can come back after a few minutes and finish the walker for free typically
Dynamobros, what's the move? I've lost every game today because these fucking retards won't turn around or buy disables for Haze.
>>499609770>they renamed slorkNOOOOOOO
>>499609879I made 1
>>499609915>dynamo without full stack
>>499609974nobody has ever replied to my suggestions, props man
>>499609770>hero_demoman>They straight up port demoknight
>>499609948>>499609770It's still slork in the picture. The game desperately needs at least 10 more heroes. Fighting and playing with the same shit every game is extremely extremely boring
>>499608380>Unlocking flog>"I can outlast everyone!">Lowhp using flog>"Come on Lash.. You can outlast them..">"Not dead yet baby!"
>>499610079I don't mind it personally.I think the game is far from figured out, so there's still plenty of novelty even with the limited cast.
>win 5 games out of 7>suddenly the game just changes to a tier lower average
>>499609770rutger's ult is what mcginnis' should have been
Is there a list of shit parry can block?
>>499609380>Watching nigfernus move to another camp instead of pushing the wave of minions raping our walker right next to him from 100% to 60% as speedzip over there from across the map
>>499610128game is pretty figured out imoChoose wraith or shiv for your team, aggressively chase pick offs, collapse the map. If you dont get more picks farm the enemy's jungle + do urn. Rinse and repeat until 40k lead. Get more pickoffs, do boss..
>>499609770>mo & krill>unused abilities: grappling hook
>>499610271>Light melee>Heavy meleeThat's it as far as I knowYou can parry guardians and walkers but it doesn't block it they still do damage/stun and don't get stunned themselves
>>499610271>melee>heavy melee>???
>>499610350Post your Eternus rank then
>>499610363parrying guardian melee definitely at least resets it's attack timer for a bit
>>499610363>>499610376Apparently it works on shiv ult I'm sure theres a bunch more stuff.
>>499610128>I think the game is far from figured outThe game balance is dogshit so it is figured out, every patch boils to who has the 3 broken heroes of the patch.
>>499610304Yeah idk what's wrong with people on infernus especially since he's the rat king with his 2 dash to get away and prevent follows
>>499609828you had like 13 seconds of afterburn on you for that, and he was fed AF
>>499610271guardians, candlestick warriors, then light/heavy attack.
>>499610420>it works on shiv ultI do not believe this
>>499610420It does not work on Shiv ult, you were misinformed. There is a way to combo a melee into some abilities and a dash jump, which may give the appearance it worked on his ult when it actually blocked the comboed melee only.
>>499607345yeah instead she gets gangbanged by the enemy team
I keep seeing that parry works on shiv/vindicata ult but it keeps feeling like bait.
The OSIC doesn't want you to know this, but you can parry Seven's ult
this was another mcginnis game i just had.i died alot in lane because the nigger mirage left me to 1v2 seven and abrams.somehow i still won lane and did better than all 3.abrams counters mcginnis too so it was extra AIDS.the haze knew about the ult minimum distance so she was kinda fucking me up.i was farming the warden though, that was funny. he kept feeding on purple.at the end of the game i straight up outdamaged haze with my gun.we just stood still and shot each other, i didn't even have my heal specter.it reminded me of heavy vs heavy fights in tf2. another funny moment of the match.i was the only guy in the server who used every item slot.people really don't have a clue about itemizing.
>>499610392Game is solved doesnt mean i can execute it buddy.
>>499610532>parry works on vindicata ultlol
>>499610582damn haze why are you leaking info to us do you want to get fired
>>499610619So you haven't solved it then? You're still making decisions in the moment?
>>499609770Why do people think Kali is coming soon? His model and animations got cut up for Ivy
>>499610681mirage uses target dummy animations
I used to think you could parry Yamato's Power Slash and even after I learned you couldn't I still did it out of reflex
>>499609242Then why not give him the ACTUAL pistol that Geist has?
>>499610731They are not used by any other (used) hero desu, Viscous would make a better point
>>499610619Look at this rotten milk mmr fag thinking he solved the game cuz he watched 3 Youtube videos
>>499610657nigga i dont have an aimbot you autist shut up
If you disagree you're archon
>>499609242Warden also uses Kelvin's skeleton and animations
>when the algorithm decides its your turn to stompMy team was actually excellent at comms with 5 of us using voice but fuck did I feel bad about this
>>499610619
>>499610735>play yamatoes>dive directly into melee range with enemy and charge power slash>they parry atleast half the time because they expect you to heavy punchworks every time 50% of the time
>>499610883Swap places for lash and infernus and I agree completely
>>49961088>t. ivy mainpeople really hate it when mcginnis does anything other than suicide onto objectives.
>>499610883I'm archonI play talonI don't see how you buff him without making him insufferably strong
>>499610883>wraith warden fine>geist as op as shiv or kelvinlmao
>>499610883I feel like Lash's 1 no longer letting you redirect your movement midair would be a fair nerf. Still good but harder to line up.
>no size queen sex crazed slut heroYoshi please...
>>499611052Geist is 100% getting fucking annihilated this patch, she's been dominating pro and top ranked games.If you don't accept it now tomorrow's gonna be a hard pill to swallow and Geist is my second most played.
>>499610883>mcginnylmao just shoot her turrets retard
>>499611073>im addicted to pornyou can try league bro its made for you
>>499611146how about you shoot your load into her eyes instead
>>499611108i played her before she was buffed and i will continue to play her tomorrow aswellthey will probably reduce the bomb aoe first upgrade and make malice give less bonus damage per stack so it takes longer to apply but who cares
>>499611146>thinking the turrets are what makes her brokenconfident wood elo take
>>499610883Kelvin is probably the least fun hero in the game to fight, make his dome a channel summon locking him in place, taking 2 seconds to summon so you can dodge that aids, to help it should make him highly damage resistant while doing it, maybe make him aoe cold so people move slower and allies softheal but right now it's just aids
>>499611146>he thinks the turrets are the problemyou're so low mmr you don't even fucking know
Lash's ult is probably one of the biggest disruptive elements in the game, if you level it up to max level relatively early you'll have it on a 50 second cooldown and can constantly fuck up 2 to 3 people on their team.
>>499610883Drop Lash and Kelvin 1 tier, bump Wraith 2 tiers and give Vindicta her own tier of suckiness and it's good.
>>499611351>>499611256different anon but turrets is what everyone complains about when they hate on mcginnis
>>499611398it's her wall though?
>>499611398okay bro*blocks you with a wall for 7 seconds**ulties for 250 aoe dps from ridiculous range*
>if you can click heads mcginnis is brokenthat's every hero
>>499611052>Thinking Wraith or Warden are overly strongOh no it's retarded
>>499611398Turrets are squishy now, what people in high mmr hate about the hero is heavy barrage barely having a cooldown and the interaction with unstoppable allowing you to be a racecar with it.
>>499610031At this point, I don't care. My rank is gonna be in the fuckin gutter, but this is an alpha. I just want good games, and if I have to be the support in solo queue, so be it.
>>499611486>>499611464>>499611591i'm not saying they're correct,just that it's the common complaint.as far as the concept of comboing abilities goes,there are a ton of heroes that combo better. lash and bebop are prime examples.mcginnis' combo is just more annoying because it takes a long time to kill you, so you experience it for longer.you counter it by walking up to her or buying unstoppable.
>>499611316Kelvin just does fucking everything, I don't know why icefrog is this fucking retarded.Fucking heals out of the ass, aoe out of the ass, insane gun, most mobile hero in the game, most vertical hero in the game, really good laning, best roamer in the game, best denier in the game, absolutely retarded ult that is amazing for >1v1s>teamfights>ganks>counterganksIt's so fucking disgusting what the fuck is this retard thinking making shit like this
https://files.catbox.moe/z0flyy.webmSwear this is my favorite spot to make crazy shit happen
>>499611398>>499611464no its the 30 second ult cooldown
>>499611759>oh shit we don't have tf2 soldier type character quick come up with something
>>499611749this is a team game you dont counter shit by walking up to mcginnis as if it was a 1v1wall is objectively overpowered because most of the map consist of hallways and being able to block them off is op
Lets settle this once and for all, did valve know what they were doing making her barefoot?
15 HOURS5HOURShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NuX79Ud8zI
>>499611960so buy unstoppable
>>499611370Like 80% of the time you fuck up 0 people and then your teammate look at you like you're stupid which you are for pressing 4 instead of 1
>pressing left click for each shot with heroes with single fire guns instead of holdingi think i have brain damage bros
>>499612026you are subhuman mmr if you think "just buy a 6.2k item" is a solution to a hero being opyou will lose far before you get to that point
>>499611964Yes, I regret that we didn't also get qt alien barefoot haze
>>499612026>buy unstoppable to counter the basic ability that completely dominates every lane and every teamfight for the first 20 minutes>and unstoppable doesn't even deal with the big part of the abiltiyI am being gaslit here I must be
https://strawpoll.com/mpnb1Oz4by5
>>499612126The Boss is next, they're releasing that ugly t posing model to the wilds
There is sadly no new hero coming tomorrow.But there are a lot of shiv nerfs, some major comeback mechanic changes, and spirit nerfs.
>>499612218Hoopo you fuck check ui feedback section i left 3 posts this week and they have no views
>>499612218I don't think I care anymore. The game has been made progressively less fun and I can only hope that the next patch undoes "some" of the damage.
>>499612071based. what kind of animal just holds left click on geist's gun?
>>499612085>>499612116it's an ult, it's supposed to be powerful.the problem you're having is cc.the solution is unstoppable.this is a game about itemization.everything is countered by buying something.unstoppable counters many ults.as far as the wall goes, get majestic leap or warp stone.actually, majestic leap counters the ult and the wall. warp stone kinda does situationally.or you could get silence.point being, you have options.
>>499612218Hey, Hopoo, can you directly port Loader from Risk of Rain 2 into Deadlock? Please and thank you.
>>499610883I've never seen a competent Dynamo so I can't agree with that, but that list seems good to me.
>>499611964It's 2024 Anon, everyone knows about the footfags now
>>499612502Should join the inhouses sometime if you'd like to see a pretty good one.Enough to make a handful of people in the thread seethe, at least.
Least blatant samefag award
>>499612218i hope so. guns need to be better. it's a moba SHOOTER.sometimes i wonder why this game even has guns.
>buy majestic leap that doesn't work when in combat>buy warpstone that won't get you far enough before she melts you with her ult since you can't escape her speed>buy unstoppable so.. does fuck all as she kill you?The solution is buying curse, but since her turrets will kill you before you can do anything there really is no counterplay, she is balanced by the fact she moves slow, if she can run around at lightspeed it breaks the game, and that exploit will be fixed this patch I hope.Thank you for your brave opinion recycled plastic elo anon but what the fuck
>>499612218If they don't add a new hero this game is actually gonna die.Every patch it gets worse at least new heroes make it fun and varied for a bit.>spirit nerfskek so yamato's gonna be literally unpickable cool.
>>499610153Wait so your rank DOES update each game?
>>499612646Looking forward for gun to get better only to see the devs start nerfing all the gun heroes. Grim.
>>499612502dynamo is slowly becoming a pub menace since faggots finally realized they can buy leap + refresher and win
>>499612646If the mobafags got their way every character would have Pocket's gun but holding M1 would auto-hit anyone in the middle portion of your screen using the Bebop bomb aiming
>want to play solo>don't want to end up in solo lane
>>499612218Why not gun buffs
>>499612702just buy knockdown and cast it on her across the map when you hear her ult
>>499612646guns were god tier and made everything else near redundant for 6 months straighteven now spirit is not the issue, it's that they buffed already retarded characters
>>499612794I rarely see mobafags complaining about having to aim, meanwhile at least once a day I see a CS/CoD kid crying about spirit builds not being useless.
>>499612590>pick broken hero>press R>win>HOLY SHIT GUYS I AM GOATED AT THIS GAME
>>499612986r?
>>499612702unstoppable removes the ult movement slow and the wall debuff which is what makes it so dangerous.with the debuffs gone you can just run away or close the gap and kill her easy.if you're dying to turrets, you're actually a shitter and i can't help you.you wanted cheap options so i mentioned silence.the reality is, if you want to just take away the enemy's keyboard, it's gonna cost you.every hero has something that's particularly dangerous to some other hero.paradox hard counters mcginnis with every ability.
>>499613024Wood anon it's the unstoppable + ultimate exploit everyone is talking about when it comes to ginnis, that's what's wrong with her
if you activate unstoppable when you hear lash ult, does it prevent him from lifting and throwing you
>>499613198He can still lift you but instead of throwing you he has a special animation where he gives you a kiss and then gently puts you back where you were.
>>499612382you are mud mmr who thinks fights happen in perfect conditions with finished buildsunstoppable doesnt do shit to you getting shredded by spirit damage from an ult that has way too short of a cooldown
Alright so how do I counter shiv?
>playing fine all day, some wins some loses, but fine>match just now>literally can't do anything>wiff every shot>always out of position>feed enemy team>end 0/9/0 loss>3 loss streak to end night
>>499613273https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Raz9HO0uY&t=285s
>>499612915People (or at least one guy very often) constantly screech in this thread about how it's a moba not a shooter and guns should be nerfed and headshots shouldn't be a thing
>>499613460antiheal. toxic bullets + healbane if you're a gun build, decay + healbane if you're not
>>499612754thats not my rank thats the average rank of the lobby im playing in but yes obviously the rank changes constantly it just changes the icon at the end of the weekwhat it shows is matchmaking allowing a huge range of ranks in the same ranked lobby where in a single day of playing i was placed in ascendant 3 match and phantom 2 match
>>499613149they mentioned getting hit by wall & ult, that's what i was responding to.so you're complaining about a build that requires a 6k item to actually work,but also saying that countering it with another 6k item is unfair?>>499613409well yeah actually it does because it removes the movement slow so you can just escape or kill them, like i said.i'm guessing you've never actually tried it.
>>499613018leaguetroon got lost. this is dotaCHAD territory
>>499613460wait for tomorrows patch lmao
>>499613471sometimes you give the lash, sometimes you get the lash amigo...
>>499613520That's one schizo on 4schizos, as opposed to almost every CS player who tries this game. This isn't even a vague assumption on my part, almost every time I hear some whining about high TTK or spirit damage, it's a faggot from CS2.
>>499613594Healbane has no effect on Shivs passive.
>>499613707but both games use R as their ult you stupid retard
>>499613705nobody gives a fuck about getting hit by the wall its the fact that it is a physical fucking barrier blocking you into a dead end that is the problemif you dont see how creating a physical barrier is strong you are retarded>i'm guessing you've never actually tried it.yeah i dont buy unstoppable to counter a slow from fucking mcginnes who has won the game 10 minutes ago
>>499613707This nigger plays shooters with arrow keys LOL
the "every patch it gets worse" fags are the most insufferable posters itt it literally just translates to "the shit I was abusing got nerfed and now my watery snot MMR is showing"
>>499613884so buy majestic leap and jump over the wall, like i said.you're just bad at itemizing.
>>499613798Yeah, and Infernus has no innate lifesteal on his 3, but it's still a good idea to buy antihealing against him.
>>499613992you cant use majestic leap after taking damage anon
>>499613952I'm looking forward to Shiv and Infernus players having a massive falloff when the nerfs hit eventually
>>499614045But infernus has lifesteal on his 1 and 4, dingdong
>>499614067so buy warp stone.
>>499614223...Right. Still! Shiv makes good use of lifesteal (and healing in general) due to his deferred damage mechanic, so it makes sense he would get it.
>>499614237i domcginnis still continues to be overtunedwhat now? buy better items? be mud mmr so you can just farm for 30 minutes to get all the items you want?
Why the fuck can Ivy and Dynamo be on the same side and on the same lane? The game might as well forfeit for you at that point, because it's terrible.
Is Oracle high? I keep getting Oracle games. I don't have a rank.
>>499611964Yes and they fapped while modeling her
>>499614529It's like crusader in dota
>>499614361>i counter her>but she's still OP even after i successfully counter hermaybe you aren't actually countering her?she's weak to burst damage and close range.every hero has a way to force her out of her heal as well.farming is a retarded way to get souls. you should be pushing lanes.sounds like a skill issue desu.
>>499599168>>499599490>no QSRit's a free +65 on scorn.
>>499614557its more like legend ancient phantom is divine ascendant and eternus is immortal ascendant being low to mid and eternus being high
>infernus gets dot on a geist that's 20k above him>she dies from half hp to the burnjesus fucking christ
>>499612218Ivy sisters...we lostWe have to build bomb's deepthroat goat tank ivy build now..
>>499614852people in this thread say youre retarded to buy debuff remover against infernus but i buy it specifically for this reason i want to use it after one of us disengages or after killing him so i dont fucking die from 40% with spirit armor
>>499614570okay so we are back to arguing about 1v1 in a team gamevery cool i will now stop replying to your retarded ass
>>499615110>there is a mcginnis>i will do nothing about it>o no she killed me! :(((like i said it's a skill issue
Infernus heavy melee now also applies afterburnthere, fixed
saw some wrecker stuff, it looks kinda like this but with long fucking horns (and a body obviously)currently uses mo's animations as base
>>499613707no your just retarded just say you don't even play deadlock
How do I beat plantera with vindicta if I havent found the arms dealer yet?
>>499615210It should desu he punches you with his gun
>>499615349>your
>>499615385farm pirate raids for money then use the coin gun
>>499615349>lolbab is ESLbusiness as usual
>>499615385How the fuck did not find the arms dealer and are on plantera? He moves in around the time you kill the eater of worlds/brain
why do my teammates decide to go in 3v6 defending in base instead of waiting 20 more seconds for the rest of us to respawn when we clearly have enough time to wait
>>499615726Shootertards have no idea how to play other than brool
m&k needs a special ping when you're comboing that says "HELLO TEAM I AM STUNNING THE LASH PLEASE SHOOT HIM IN THE HEAD"
>>499614886I will continue building 570DPS gun Ivy and the world can't stop me
>>499615894Yoshi will compensate by buffing him again instead
literally what the fuck is this matchmaking.What is it? You have actively fuck it up to make it this bad.>>499614045False equivalence but sure, I guess some Shivs get spirit lifesteal, but the main issue is his insane burst, instakills and disgusting tankiness.
Why does everyone have a gun anyway? It kind of ruins the game not having melee and ranged heroes
What is it about my fellow low MMR players that makes them think they can still 1v1 enemies with higher farmI swear they're allergic to farming under objectives or farming camps and would rather push up and die attempting to kill someone with 6k more souls than them
https://tracklock.gg/ranksIt's up
>>499616136Literally half a team lmao, the other 3 may as well have been bots. What MMR is this?
>>499616171How would laning as a melee character work? Would you literally have to melee confirm/deny everything?
>>499616286they could have the same range as shotguns, swords, whips, a lot of different unique stuff...
Unranked has become terrible and I have no idea why. It's like no one gives a shit in it anymore unless it's the shitter stacks that suck.
>>499616354>>499616286but regardless laning is the worst part of the game, you already lose based on matchup anyway i dont see the problemthey should remove laning or heavily modify it with crazy moving trains as lanes
>>499616214how does phantom have more players than oracle in itlike how does that make any sense
>>499616354I just don't think it works super well without giving melee characters cancerous amounts of mitigation/healing. Otherwise when I get my shit pushed in by characters that can outrange me I'll just lose all of my farm and cry about it>>499616441I love the laning phase but I wish it meant more. It's way too easy to come back after a poor laning phase. I wish mistakes really added up in Deadlock but it really feels like it boils down to "who loses 1 teamfight near the endish of the game"
the delay between each stage of losing in base should be higher or they should add a buyback mechanica team should not be able to push two shrines and the two patrons in less than the time it takes for enemies to respawn
>>499616492Because we're all good players
>>499616603a shrine dying should cut 10sec off respawn timers or something.
So archon is in the top 50% of players who are willing to touch ranked at all, oracle are top 30%, phantom are top 15% ascendant are 5%, and eternus are top .5%
>>499616802They really need to release this skin for Vindicta
>>499615894>>499615976next update: mnk's combo duration increased by 1 second to account for your team
>>499612986copeNerfed 14 times in a row and still stomp with one of the lowest winrate heroes in the gameKeep making up excuses
>>499617793>with one of the lowest winrate heroes in the gameLowest winrates are gray Talon and Vindicta
>>499617209just needs spade nipple coverings
>>499617831Yes, "one of the worst". Not "the worst"Dynamo is simple on paper but is actually hard to get good results with.
is there a more obvious sign of a shit player than having 0 objective damage?had 4 motherfuckers with that on my team earlier.
>>499617884Commit suicide niggerlover
>Usually get the most kills in the game or on the higher end>Player damage is generally on the lower endI don't know how to feel about this
>>499616171it bums me out how so many of the guns are mechanically identical. some of them have alt fires like yamato and viscous but aside from bebop they all fall under single shot, shotgun, burst fire, fully automatic, or some combination of those. slork apparently has a cone spray of poison and then a dart gun on his alt, so that sounds cool
>>499618212literally doesnt matter sis be the assisting or kill securing machine you were always meant to be
>Each projectile landed on a hero grants you a stacking buff that amplifies all of your damage.thought this meant that if you hit all 6 heroes with all four projectiles you can literally click left click and delete them from existence with one bullet, kinda lame
>>499618212Having low player damage means you're actually sealing the deal. An infernus can have a ton of player damage but if nobody gets the kill shits fucked.
>>499618394i had 200 hours in this game before learning pocket's barrage did that i should've read other hero abilities more no wonder i always got shit on by pocket in lane kek
i like being comms banned cause if people rage at me in chat and start pausing they just look mentally ill
>>499609630Enable hero-specific keybinds and put it on mouse2. Ez.
>1-9 7000 hero damage abrams is ascendant 3AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
when should you put surge of power on a skill instead of quicksilver reload? they seem to do similar things, boost the damage of one ability and then give you a fire rate bonus. but one makes you move faster and the other reloads your gun
Protip: if you take the opportunity to aim directly at her head, you'll do more damage to Yamato during her 1.4s charge animation than she does to you. Power Slash's "DPS" is lower than every gun in the game.
>>499618859When you can use it much more often than once every 13 seconds, basically, and/or if it has crazy spirit scaling.
>game is evenly matched>one wipe decides it>team goes out 5v6 fighting in the middle of bumfucking nowhere over actually nothing in the middle of the lane while i'm pushing a lane >we loselooking back I should never trust retards to not brool needlessly but without a single lane pushed, with all of them basically in our lane, we wouldn't have won anyway
>>499619094lmao that image was from a previous game whoops. fed that vindicta three kills before 10 minutes but my entire team decided to feed their lanes incredibly hard as well. game's hard.
>>499618859i think surge of power is better on heroes that have spammable high damaging skills, quicksilver is better on heroes with longer cooldowns + reload speeds that often need extra shots to seal out kills like mo&krill although thats not the only reason you would take qsr. i really like the instant reload for splitpushing
>>499618951that's literally why they gave her the upgrade that gives her bullet resist during the charge up.all the good yamatos will charge up with air momentum or climb a ledge and just instantly hit you with it fully charged right as you see her anyways.
>>499619273this if you fight against a yamato that knows how to buffer her slash, she instantly wins all the trades
>>499611880what the fuuuuu
So how are they going to nerf shiv?The big reason he's so broken is escalating exposure and his heal not counting as a heal for shit like healbane and toxic bullets.Will they nerf one? Or both?
>>499617954Literal 0 is a display bug.
>>499619606I know exactly how but I wont tell youBut I will tell you his entire playerbase will want to burn down Valve HQ tomorrow
>>4996196574 of my teammates losing their lanes and us having 0 flex slots at 22 minutes isn't a display bug.
>>499619606>healYou're talking about the active on his 3?
>>499610079>>499610423And these new heroes will be figured out in a week and you will shit and cry again. You see the problem right? Maybe you're just burned out from the game and should take a break lol. Go play something else.
>>499604115Kill yourself hag apologist.
why do people think its such an epic but aksually to point out shiv doesn't have a heal for healbane to remove, as if literally every shiv build in the universe isn't buying lifesteal or lifestrike
>>499620171you are low iq10 new heroes is like 50 different types of games
>>499617671>combo duration increased by 0.2 for every combo used without getting a kill
gun will NEVER be the meta again
>>499617671>if no other heroes around, mos ult duration increased by 4 seconds to help with solo kills
>>499616802seems bullshit considering a large portion of phantom and ascendant play in the same lobbies constantly
>>499621060and that's a good thing
is Seven the easiest hero in the game right nowit feels like playing him is legitimately running on autopilot, just chuck out balls to farm and throw stun on someone
>>499621168yes and it fucks up the rest of the team too because you vacuum jungle and 2 lanesmost of the time the seven player has good farm but griefs the game completely
>>499621060when the game comes out and in the hands of actual gamers you will see patch after patch creating a hard aim skill requirement
>>499621485cope
>>499618394what the fuck i thought it was a debuff on enemies instead of a buff on you
>>499621485>when the game comes outSee you in 2026
>>499621485Valve obviously wants the game to revolve around abilities instead of point and click.
legit just solo laned against a bebop and there was nothing I could do. Jesus fucking christ
>>499621813all you have to do is click creeps
>>499604115>if it lands on a z-level above or below you the indicator clips through the ground>making it so she can effectively create invisible bombs on some angles>and especially in lane phaseShe's dishonest as shit
>>499621792What makes that obvious? The original vision was clearly for aim to be a major skill requirement. Just look at how denies work
>>499622090The amount of thought and effort they put into the abilities makes it obvious.
guys i think the valve match rating statistic on tracklock is schizophrenic now
remove heavy melee and parrying from the game.that would help 50% of it
celi, spam what's the plan more in this game please
>>499622510extremely gay suggestion
>>499622252>ascendant has the same match rating as me or loweryeah that site is garbage
Shiv should only get get rage build when attacking enemy players and the rage mechanic should be balanced around that
>>499622701the rage mechanic will never be balanced as long as the character exists, same goes for his 3rd ability
>>499622701I agree. There's no point making people punch creeps for half a minute.
>>499622510and also remove 80% of jungle creeps. the only creeps should be in mid
>>499622759Buff base Shiv and make rage a small buff to all hus abilities, not making him the strongest hero in the game
I think I'm just too much of a moba noob to play Infernus. Once I get online around 20-25 minutes I'm a god because I have great aim, but by then half the time my brawling teammates have lost the game taking shitty fights and if we do make it to 30+ minutes, when I do 50k damage they don't follow up on all the damage I do.When I play Lash or Wraith I'm actually useful in midgame so my team doesn't fall behind and I get a better winrate. Plus in ranked/unranked there usually isn't enough farm to go around to have a strong Seven, Haze, and Infernus on the same team. I need to learn someone else atm.
>>499622510i'd prefer if heavy melee was removed so it'd stop this stupid fucking mindgame of "ooouhhh i'm close to you i'm gonna heavy melee, get ready! get ready! ooohhh i'm gonna do it!! jk i'm not gonna lo-WHAP"it's not fun
>healbane + decay + affliction on shiv>still takes the entire team to kill himcool
>>499624285no it doesn't
>>499624285UH YOUR TOXIC BULLETS BRO? IS THIS WOOD MMR YOU ONLY PUT LIKE 90% HEALING REDUCTION ON HIM????
>>499622660The site scrapes straight from Valve servers, dumbass.
>>499624503yeah it does
>>499624285have you tried waiting the 8 seconds for your damage to actually go through? he's ONE hero that has delayed damage, have you tried waiting and not being retarded trying to burst down an unburstable guy?
>>499624646maybe in plywood mimir
>>499624692>>499622252
>>499624646>argh i need to focus down this game with 6000hp... because I just do okay!!!!! He literally has no damage if you walk away lmao
>>499624285that game looked rough celi
>>499624761and anything with equal farm and damage items can still kill him 1v1
>>499624761he literally had the most damage on his team
>>499624646>melee shivconfirmed shitterwow youre tanky and can punch people that dont know how to press F and are unable to kite you, damn!all it takes for this entire build to be unplayable is one slow or cc
>>499624975>>499622252
>>499624837you didnt walk away then
>Wraith ult countered by Pocket briefcase, Viscous cube, M&K burrow, Infernus run, Dynamo orb, Yamato ult, McGinnis wall, Kelvin ice path, Ivy statue, Ethereal Shift, and Reactive Barrier>Everyone here still bitches it's the most OP ult in the gameHuh?
>>499625026high mmr players are the dumbest and are always the last to adopt the new meta cause they think their good aim should kill anyone then they get punched in the face and cry about itgo back to cs2 so you dont have to think and just aim bro haha
>>499625093>shadow weaves into your anus and presses 4nice counter retard
>>49962509354+ wr%shadow weave + curse
>>499625093>shadow weave inside you>phantom strike and wait for you to shit your pants, THEN ult you
>>499625093It even gives you multiple seconds of heads up so that you can dodge it lmao
>>499625232So we're just lying now huh>>499625232>>499625272>Ult needs 6200 credits maybe 12400 to be OPLol
>>499625026>i looked up someone elses profile and took a screenshot of it!
>>499625365its dogshit thanks yoshi
>Once you buy curse you can nigger someone!Yeah no shit
>the most OP hero in the game is an Axe + Bristleback hybrid with permanent Kunkka boat buffNice game deadlockers
>>499625509>>499625365>NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST BUY ITEMSlol
Speaking of bad wraith gameplay, I'm queued ranked again24511005
>>499575225For some reason the tyrndamere ulti hero is not being played like tyrndamere
>>499625365this data is months old you idiot
>>499575225Pros think she's good. And I think they know a little bit more about deadlocking than you do pal because they're pros and you're not.
>>499625093I don't get it either the ulti is the weakest part of her kitMight be wraith abusing downplayers
>>499624761yeah bro just walk away when he can dash and then execute and then get all his hp back by landing single knife that also applies 8 stacks of escalating exposure!!!!
>>499625560It's updated now you fucking retard, daily too
>>499625686i dont see unstoppable in that build, slowing hex can fuck him up badly, combine with slows and he cant dash to catch up curse for late game
>>499625720where? not tracklock
>>499625680It's just odd to me considering there's far more egregious ults, and if the rage is over it being low skill expression that makes no sense because that applies to most ults.
>>499625537uh just parry bro? not like you can intentionally whiff parries and then get 5 seconds of free giga damage melees on anybody or something like that haha
>>499625093>Reactive Barrierexposed yourself with that one, literally doesn't even block one cards damage
>>499625815Deadlocktracker
>>499625850It gives you 200 spirit shield and 400 bullet shield, that's more than enough for early game which is when her ult is strongest, actual mouthbreather
>>499625924even that site has issues tracking matches, i wouldnt trust that data (and abrams having high winrate lmao)
>>499625638>>499575225yamato is literally just picked to steal the boss/prevent them from even attempting bossthat's it. valve in their infinite genius has given us one character that can completely prevent you from ever ending the game if she's alive
>>499626284wrong
>>499626249It tracks high elo games the best so you can go off of that pretty accurately, if nothing is accurate according to you why did you bullshit that Wraith has a 54% winrate?
>>499626284she also just dominates people in lane and midgame which is nice to have when you got other people farming up
>>499626319im not the one claiming she has 54% wr but it wouldnt surprise me as i think shes the strongest hero in the game right nowuntil valve activates tracking again only they have the numbers
>>499625638The game is new, noobs make 10million mistakes but the "pros" are still making 1millionYams is a duelist so she is overpreforming in the solo ranked but she has no team synergy.
>>499626445Have you actually played her? I don't disagree she's strong, probably top 10 but I don't get why this general acts like she's so broken.
ultimates that are just a guaranteed death sentence on a single button press is not good design
>>499626528cope
>>499626535Thats what a fucking ultimate is
>>499626561Idk how that is cope, seems like a reasonable explanation why she fails in teams
>>499626647mirage?ivy?dynamo?anything that can be panic casted in a losing fight to instantly turn it around is horse shit
>>499626530in a vaccuum she isnt that strong, but when you consider the map pressure, forced item builds to not die to her, she is worse than shiv! she can not really be ganked while farming so she's always a solid pick, she can push buildings/boss fast teamfighting is her weakest part but even then she can buff her whole team with attack speed. she's just all around good and that flexibility/uncounterability is what makes her the best
>>499625093>aoe stun on top of everything else she has in her kityep you're wood mmr
>>499626530>I don't get why this general acts like she's so brokencause she has no weakness and is a threat to anyone from start to finishshes good in lane thanks to cards, shes good in midgame thanks to ult, shes good in lategame thanks to gun steroid (for your whole team) and aoe ult plus has a free escapethey nerfed her twice now (cards were almost 2x spirit scaling) and shes still first pick/ban in most "pro" matches
>>499575225watch the EU fight night from yesterday and see for yourself
>>499626697your belief in the nonexistent theoretical meta where yamato is actually secretly bad and not getting picked every pro game is just your cope
>>499626898>Forced item builds to not die to herThat goes for a shitton of heroes in the game>She can not really be gankedSlowing hex is cheap
>>499627113footsteps have way higher range than slowing hex, she tps out while ratting before you can get it off. not happening gayboy.
>>499627193>has full clip>still goes for epic parry bait
>>499627113nah if you want a hero dead you can kill anyone but wraith. yamato you can at least force her ultit might be a BAD idea to gank someone like viscous or abrams because of how tanky and hard it will be to get them but wraith is the only one who is actually impossible to kill and remember she can go invis after blink...
>>499627113problem with hex is that it's a projectile and it doesn't cancel the TP once it's already cast
>>499627017Post her winrate
I did like nothing this game, apparently
>dash jump away from heavy melee>it hits me after landing from my jump>heavy melee an enemy>it just slides off them?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>499627429server latency is a fucking bitch in this game, getting clipped by shit you had no business getting clipped by
>>499627429i absolutely fucking loathe melee because of this. ill be a full dash distance away and gaybrams still manages to punch me in my ass like it's the ending of space jam
>>499575225Today I will remind them.
>>499627253yes
>>499627260>She can go invis after blinkBro anyone can that buys shadow weave, her tp is good but she's squishy why tf does this general struggle so hard with her? Can you guys not find Haze either when she goes invis?
>>499627686haze doesnt disappear 50m away in one press dumbass
>>499627524>>499627573the answer is 500+ ping turdworlders and retarded lag compensation. same exact thing was happening in tf2. normally its not this fucked.
GET ME OUT OF THIS SHITTY MMR WHERE NO ONE BUILDS BULLET RESIST AND HAZE STOMPS THE FUCK OUT OF EVERYONEPLEASE
>>499627896>BULLET RESISTyou're where you belong
>>499627748>Slowing hex
>>499627896>he hasn't taken the escalating resilience pill
>>499627193Melee is le bad. All you have to do is press 1 key!>swerves 45 degrees to your left or does an unreactable fucking 270 degree spin>even if you can somehow react in under 100ms the latency is going to kill you anyway
>>499627931Sorry should I say CC? Oh wait she builds fucking unstoppable so that is meaningless to begin with. Nigger.
>>499590770Yeeeeh naaaah, that’s the fun part about her. She is crap because she fall off way too fast way too hard unless you are a Finnish adhd autist that can make her work. Rebalance the damage between her charges shot and the gun, make gun do more damage while giving a worse scaling on carbine.
>>499627573>>499627429>see enemy a good distance from me>they charge melee>don't parry because it won't register>it registers>die because of itFUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF
>rescue beams you to me>traps you in an ice dome with the enemy>force you both to fuck me>blast my ice bombs everywhere>leave with an assist
>"""pro""" does a heavy melee to finish off a 5% hp enemy>gets parried and killed for itthis happened multiple times last fight night
>>499628496>NAthere's your answer
>>499628496that's probably because heavy melee is a complete guess
>>499628635Meleeing a 1hp is just a bad decisionIf you fake they might escape, if you don't then u get parried
>>499628837Wood elo
>>499629158>noo muh ecelebs are infallible they always play optimalPost your ttv stooge
we gettin a new hero today?
>>499624285are you retarded? literally get silence glyph or curse.
>>499629505boshi revealed to me in a dream that we are getting holliday and troubadour in a double hero release patch
>>499629505Yes, they are adding Vindicta back into game after Yoshi deleted her last patch
Haze kicked the shit out of me in lane and pushed my walker sub-7 minutesThis game was cooked, I fell behind and couldn't catch up
>>499628489I need to play more Keshav
>blow the absolute SHIT out of McGinnis all gameFuck that felt good. I really needed to take it out on her.>>499630373Haze is cooked. I am convinced half the people who say she isn't actually play her BUT she only gets there if she isn't shit on during lane. If she can keep up in lane she flies out of control until unless very specifically countered with CC which can be negated by an above room temp IQ Haze
>>499630472>Haze is cooked. I am convinced half the people who say she isn't actually play her BUT she only gets there if she isn't shit on during laneAscendant 5 on EU, any team that gets Haze is almost guaranteed to lose unless they have geist/Shiv to balance it out
>>499630472She just kept heavy melee pushing creeps and I wasn't ballsy enough to try and stop her with parry after eating a sleep knife the couple of times I tried
>>499606474kek experienced this yesterday against infernus. Dude was lividhttps://streamable.com/gdbgh9https://streamable.com/yj2y9khttps://streamable.com/o6ty81
>>499630585drop your ign so i know when u run my games downthe reason for that is that they got elo inflated and cant play if enemy gets metal skinother than that she is completely fine, good even
>queue up as supp Dyanamo cause its fun.>Get put in a sidelane against Shiv>ask for a swap>two middle lanes are both duo so they don't.>die once and has the easiest time his life farming cause Dynamo can't do shit against Shiv.>lose game.this game is full of fucking apes.
>>499631213>and cant play if enemy gets metal skinNone buys metal skin because Haze never comes online, she's very easy to bully midgame and has zero chances to shine if her team is losing
Can someone share me a good Ivy build please? I feel like I contribute nothing when I play her but she's really fun.
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>>499631450just get active itemssilence or some slow, knockdown is also good, rescue beam synergizes well with tether and flight and keeps you at full hp, vampire for later can be really good but also stuff like fire AoE item or the aura speed buff itemalso kinetic dash is really really nice to have on her
>>499630472Haze dagger is a funny one on lane, but actually she is not that great late game and falls off especially if you go attack speed more ult focused build (I do, and probably most of Haze players that give pubs some trouble). She gets a huge power spike once she gets her core items plus ricochet, especially if someone can CC for her or your team has weak/no hard cc and if you apply at least a bit of brain and your team is not getting stomped you can rice splitpush across the map in invis. Otherwise from here it's kind of a downhill if enemy starts to match your farm because now most of the shit you do is shoot and ult and the moment it stops working you can't live through late game fights so she dies to a bee's fart vs infernus who lights everyone asses on fire and keeps sustaining himself off it.
>>499631426the problem is shiv. heavy nerf incoming
>>499631426>queue up as useless deadweight>waahhh le team le team
>>499609770Cadence but only if they actually use the fat opera valkyrie theme in her design
>>499632189>>499632189>>499632189
>>499632207Cadence will be Deadlock's Seraphine. Anime waifu woman
>>499631426shiv isnt good in lane, you should do the bullying
