HEYA HOYA HEYA HOYA HEYA HOYA

>>500385391
kino prime

>The nigger's on top of the bridge!
that did not sound like any of the voices in-game
wtf

So characters that can't ping green have placeholder voices?

>Got initiate V in ranked.
Hell yeah brothers.
I love it when the matchmaking is fucked and our entire team is -40k souls with a leaver.

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Sex with Abrams

>>500385869
weird gay retards

>>500385858
Fellow sub-archon friends we're all in this together.

I have put zero real effort into getting good and calibrated at phantom. I can't imagine how terrible you have to be to place below oracle

On the topic of last thread's conversation, how easy would it be for a computer or computer team to 'solve' a given genre (the computers have perfect aim, perfect execution, etc). I do agree that fighting games seem easier to solve since it's purely 1v1 in a closed area, so the options are fewer and easier to calculate thanks to frame data and things like that. But when it comes to a game like Deadlock, it's inherently asymmetrical so I don't think you could have a 20XX scenario.

>our patron is weakened
>we start doing midboss
>see a rat pushing a sidelane
>know time is precious
>don't want to leave mid or it'll be stolen and it'll be gg
>secure mid, instantly run to the patron
>it barely dies before I can get there
this game needs a glyph so bad it's insane

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do you think a complete monster character would work well? I saw hopoo's involvement and it made me think of playing as acrid in deadlock

the damage amp paradox gets from hitting people with her bomb also applies to the followup hit from echo shard in a strange way. a carbine that does 595 and 238 reverb damage does 731 with another 709 echo damage after 7 hits from a grenade which is supposed to be a 42% damage increase

seems pretty fucking good, even if you don't land exactly that many hits its still a ton of damage, just less so

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have you ever received hatemail from deadlock player?

>>500386350
>acrid in deadlock
infernus in a $20 godzilla costume.

>>500386327
All they have to do is focus on harassing and they'll just choke out the player team really quickly

>>500386350
https://vocaroo.com/1iLcfYjAiUG5

>>500386341
>don't want to leave mid or it'll be stolen and it'll be gg
You fool, rejuv is not an automatic lose condition if you're insane enough.

https://streamable.com/wxumwn
What did he mean by this

>>500386243
I've noticed if you've basically ever played with friends who aren't good you're destined to be phantom/archon too

remember that one week where graytalon was virtually unplayable because he sucked and nobody picked him?
man that was a good week.

>>500386763
I like it when someone decides to be a snooty asshole to me because it gives me full permission to shit on them with no remorse. Earlier I had a 0-3 infernus tell me I was shit (I was 12-1 as bebop at the time). I got to enjoy shitting on him the rest of the game.

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Is veilwalker worth it? It's strong early game but it feels like it scales like ass and if you don't go hard on it with like 3-4 vitality items it feels wasted

>>500386404
I'm assuming two computer teams. A computer team (OpenAi5) already beat a Dota team some years ago. It would be unfair anyway thanks to the perfect aim and everything.

>>500386958
Iirc that open ai team could only play like 10 heroes and I THINK they also limited your hero pool as well or they'd shit themselves. I also think the team that lost had dendi on it too so lol lmao

>>500386763
lol I'd run it down after hearing a comment like that

>>500387054
>Limited hero pool
Fair. Deadlock doesn't have a huge roster as is but I expect it to be larger when it's not in alpha, which is also probably when people would care enough about it to train AI teams on it. But AI technology would be better by that point, and so on.
I guess my main point was that I just think it's pretty staggering how many variables there are in a match of Deadlock, and I don't see it being "solved" any time soon, even on paper.

>>500386763
>Gets healed to 100%
>Complains about healing not being useful
What a nigger

>>500387387
I figure a solo lane that has a vindicta bot with perfect aim would win 100% of the time because of the better falloff distance and good bullet velocity

ima let you niggas on a little secret you can take it or not but Fortitude is broken

>>500386763
YEP, I EUTHANISE.

>>500387540
I already knew, it's great on McGinnis since nerfed stacking Spirit & Bullet Lifesteal.

>>500386327
>>500386958
>>500387054
yeah it went against pro teams and beat them handily with a 100% or near 100% win rate
but i dont really consider that fair since the hero pools of BOTH the ai and pro teams were heavily restricted and i havent heard anything about it since

Gun with unlimited ammo but fire rate slows the longer you shoot

>>500387653
it also feels very nice on abrams

but the value on it is insane atm has been getting buffed since early july

For DPS Infernus to i build towards maxing his spirit or gun?

I tend to build my gun so I can ignite them more consistently but also build my spirit so the DoT can actually put a dent in their health
Problem is by the time it's mid to late game I fall behind in the damage race since I'm not focusing on one. My gun doesn't do jack and my damage over time isn't getting it done either.

I also have trouble farming. Should I just stick to one lane and wave farm creeps or jungle? I hear jungleing isn't viable unless you know the quickest routes and rotations and every nook n cranny on the map and if you just walk around looking for camps you fall behind in souls and would have gotten more just farming creeps in a lane.

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Are shields influenced by resistances or do they take flat damage

>>500386652
Rejuv is overrated.
Urns are more precious.

>>500387828
they are independant of resists this includes debuffs. it's flat hp.

>>500387828
Flat

>>500387540
Eggsplain

>>500387904
>>500387925
Damn so it's actually good on someone like Pocket?

>>500387813
contrary to popular belief, infernus is quite bad at farming before he maxes flame dash
its why you see most people build ricochet on him, but the problem with ricochet is that its so expensive for meh stats so he tends to fall behind at mid game
my solution? unironically get tesla bullets on him instead since you'll be building spirit anyways

>>500388084
Shield is good early/early mid game for pretty much all characters. The soul/shield ratio is much more efficient than soul/hp you get from items. Furthermore, items like veil walker make shields even more insane mid game.
However, shield aren't be affected by lifesteal and armor so it eventually fall off once the game moves to the phase where armor+lifesteal overcome in.

>>500388236
Tesla is such a shit item. Literally just go rapid rounds + soul shredder + slowing bullets + toxic bullets and realise you need to be involved in fights early.

>>500387904
What about evasion? I see mirages build shield but I wasn't sure if it stacked with his

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>>500387949
nothing to really explain just look at the buffs it has been getting
the value right now you get everything you want
27% damage
extra movement speed and if you get boots you really should get boots if you havent you can clean up lanes and get to fights pretty fast
then all the health you are getting but thats not all you regen at 4% rate after 10 seconds this is just a better heart of tarrasque kinda hard to ignore the item now

>>500388535
I'm not 100% but I imagine evasion is just its own thing where it rolls a chance to miss and if it does miss it ignores the shield then. Worth noting mystic shot/lucky shot ignore evasion.

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The black woman of Valve unoriginality.
These are TWO different characters.

>>500388474
you can take shields all the way to the end due to a lot of strong T4 items like spiritual overflow having shields. If you're playing someone that doesn't want a fair fight in the first place it can be worth it.
Also has insane synergy with glass cannon and fortitude.

>>500388557
I thought fortitude was good until some anon explained that your effective hp is influenced by your resistances, so your lifesteal is worse the more "raw" hp you have, basically I think fortitude is good on heroes that have spells giving the max hp % heals or use item that give max hp heals but not as good on heroes that don't

>>500388236
The solution is to get armor+ toxic bullet so you aren't useless through mid game. Infermus is already very solid once he get some armor, spirit lifesteal and other core T2 and toxic bullet. Rushing ricochet is an extremely outdated strat/build for infernus and if you get to 20 min without spirit armor/return fire, the you are a pretty shitty infernus. I don't even get ricochet unless I am limited on slot and I only get it after leech+EE if I have slots available.

>>500388901
Yeah you don't build ricochet to farm you build it to apply aids to multiple people in fights.

>>500389064
True. The problem is that you rarely get ricochet on multiple players standing close together until late game when there's extended full teamfight. There are just so many good items for infernus than ricochet as well that ricochet just drop more and more down the priority to get.

>>500388842
I mean, everyone has lifesteal in the late game. Also, the huge value of fortitude is in the Regen out of combat as well, so if you duck out of combat for like 15-18 sec at low health and pop back in at full health again.

>>500389210
Yeah like for instance slowing bullets + mystic slow is insanely good cc and basically has you auto winning fights. Then you can throw inhibitor in there too and literally no one is winning fights into you.

>>500388236
infernus is not quite bad at farming, you roll into a camp and slide for infinite ammo so you can ignite all the creeps in one clip, once you run out you flame dash napalm and they're all dead. for ancients you use your next clip

>>500389334
a fight is fucking over in 15 seconds and that's only if you're able to escape from it to begin with.
it's trash.

Who else Cold Front enjoyer here?
I've been buying it on every hero every game because the clear speed is insane, the slow and bonus damage you get is just cherry on top

>>500389505
Lmao very far from trash but im stay ahead of the curve you will start saying its good when your favorite streamer says it

>>500389387
I usually don't build slowing bullet + mystic slow. I build slow hex sometimes and that's it. I just try to quickly get someone on fire+toxic and either chase or disengage. If I chase some burning fuck with flame dash, they aren't getting away anyway unless they have a movement ability/item (which case I would need slowing hex or just leave my teammates to do the chasing). Inhibitor is really good for both slow and insane damage debuff though. Frenzy is also crucial. Infernus can use so many strong T3 and T4 that idk if I should bother with ricochet unless there's a dynamo on my team or something like that

>>500389334
>>500389505
It's less about leaving a fight and coming back, but regenerating between fights. You kill an enemy and then his buddy comes down the lane some 20 seconds later, you're now up by 40% more HP than you otherwise would be.

>>500389334
It's good because it's a huge weapon damage gun item on your green slot assuming your hero is never going to be in any scenario where you are going to go below 75%. The movement speed and regen are there so you can fuck yourself out of a bad position quick so you can get back to benefiting from the weapon damage buff.

>>500389742
Yea, it's also nice to rotating lane to lane after some fight, maybe clearing some camps and hitting some boxes. It's just a very nice QoL to have on top of having great stats for a T3 item. In current meta where you have talon/Geist chucking shit at you across the map, it's nice to not just having to return to base because of some long range nuke being chucked across the map during a push or urn contest.

>>500389627
i love cold front. it was already good and then they buffed it again. wouldn't be surprised if they nerfed it, honestly, it's insane to just walk into a camp and chunk it universally

>>500385715
Fighting games are not simpler than poker, lmao. Quantifying the effects of an advantage or disadvantage position is insanely difficult.

How would you rate inhouse players?

>geists slow ass fuckin movespeed and no stamina
AAAAAAA

>>500388901
I never tried return fire since I usually go for improved spirit/bullet armor is it good because of its stats or because the automatic shot thing is actually useful?

>>500391032
people who use mic > people who use pings > silent players > trash talkers >>>>> passive aggressive faggots

>>500391219
No, it's cheesy way to duel because damage returned can give you health from "bullet lifesteal" stat
But maybe it's good enought on Miku and Wraith

>>500391219
>already have resists/mitigation
return fire
>don't
metal skin

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https://strawpoll.com/XmZRQ7waPgd

>>500391270
what about people who use text to talk

>>500391891
on par with pings

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>>500386936
veilwalker is a return to form anon, must buy.

>>500391219
It's good due to both, even more so if you are already building gun and has bullet life steal as well.
It has 7 sec of duration, plenty enough for duel in the mid game
It gives 20 % bullet resist AND the return fire effect on activation. That is only too of 125 health and 9 spirit power passive path. It's just a better buy than bullet armor (25% bullet resist, 6% weapon damage)

>Talon's charged shot deals 165 damage at max level to a target dummy
>Mystic burst bumps that up to 210
>Improved burst lowers it to 196.
Uhhhh anons? Why is the more expensive item worse?
Can anyone else confirm on other heros?

>>500392215
how are you able to post here if you can't read?

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>mfw I hear "OOOHHHHH LASH, WHAT CAN'T YOU DO?"

>>500392215
Are you literally retarded

>>500386936
it and Shadow Weave are extremely funny with Magic Carpet because the carpet becomes invisible too when the effects are triggered

>enemy melee shiv 2 games in a row, same shiv, kicks the shit out of my team-mates because nobody has parry bound or to know when he's going to animation cancel the heavy melee

GOD
I
HATE
THIS
GAME

>>500392747
>parry shiv
>he moves it slightly to the side
>get one shot

>parry shiv
>he gets parried
>tanks it and kills me anyways

>don't parry shiv
>he doesn't go for melee
>kills me with his retarded damage

>don't parry shiv
>he goes for the melee
>kills me in a split second


This character will literally never ever be balanced as long as that retarded fucking passive is a thing

>>500392864
I was geist so he'd only ever target me when my ult was down, but I'd parry him and blow a load, curse, and he'd still get away
He's so fucking annoying

>>500385391
>one last game before sleep
>rando haze abandons his lane to instantly farm red creeps
>teammate starts yelling at him
>"Once I get enough farm I'll carry"
>literally bought tesla bullets as his first item
>proceeds to ult every fight and die because he refuses to buy anything that isn't a final tier item
>had 5 fucking item slots at the end of the match
>didn't ever buy silencer or unstoppable when he had enough money anyways
I hate Haze players so god damn much.

i fucking hate grey talon
trail of tears when

I think it's really awesome how most of the teams I lose against have a Mo and a Mcginnis that you basically can't kill or reasonably do anything against and they act as a buffer between the minimal squishy enemies you have like Vindicta or Talon that just rape you from afar. People also consider this ok

>>500393754
Character synergy? In my videogame?

>>500386958
that was mostly due to inhuman reaction speed making most abilities useless because you could not use them against the bots
when they added 150ms reaction delay to the bots human players completely clowned on them with a 4 protect 1 strat where sniper would take all the farm then just attack move on them

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>>500392747
>>500392864
>>500392926
>Shiv has no interest in fighting fair

>>500393754
>Anon learns about holy trinity in videogames

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TOTAL HAZE LOVE. HAND HOLDING WITH HAZE. DANCING WITH HAZE. CUDDLING WITH HAZE. SNUGGLING WITH HAZE IN BED. KISSING HAZE. SWAPPING SALIVA WITH HAZE. MARRIAGE WITH HAZE. HAZE IN A BEAUTIFUL WEDDING DRESS. MATING WITH HAZE. IMPREGNATING HAZE. HAZE GIVING BIRTH TO OUR SMOKE CHILDREN. HAZE CRADLING OUR SMOKE CHILDREN IN HER ARMS WITH TEARS OF HAPPINESS IN HER EYES.

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>"IT'S SO MUCH FUN TO WATCH POCKET WORKKKKKKKK"
>literally me minutes earlier

>>500393863
>>500395035
Except the tanks in this scenario also have great mobility and dps

Okay look, sure we lost every single lane and walkers after less than 15 minutes and we cower in fear at the sole thought of pushing a single lane when half of the enemy team is dead, but at least our jungle is entirely cleared, so it's okay right? We totally got this!

I'M SO TIRED OF THIS PATCH
I'M SICK OF GAY TALON EVERY MATCH
I'M SICK OF VINDICTA IN EVERY MATCH

I'M SICK OF EVERY GAME BEING WON THROUGH WHO HAS THE MOST FUCKED TEAM INSTEAD OF ANY SEMBLANCE OF SKILL
PATCH THIS SHIT SOONER ICEFRAUD

>>500396057
I win against every Vindicta+Grey Talon team.

How do you farm through haze's early game anyway? Everything feels abysmal until I get lucky shot as my first 6300, and then it sorta speeds up, but trying to get there feels like pulling teeth both in lane and in early brawls that my teams constantly lose because nobody understands how to skirmish

>>500396176
You basically ignore most skirmish and do the minimal to secure urn/defend tower and only truly play when you have ricochet + unstoppable

>>500392747
>>500392864
>Abrams tries to bait me into a parry with some animation cancelling bullshit
>I don't parry because I forgot
>he takes it to mean that I'm a fucking retard who will never, ever parry
>tries to hit me with a real heavy
>parry him
I'm just on a different level.

>>500396314
>ricochet
lmao

>>500396139
Happy for you, wish i had you in my games then

>>500396470
Look for the answer inwards.

>>500396516
I am a yamato main and I just love seeing those faggots fly.

>get my rank
>Archon V
I'm so fucking washed bros

>get rank first week
>get the same rank again next week
i need to git guder (in 2 weeks when they patch the flying niggas)

>>500396562
>I am a yamato
Fuck Yamato, unkillable piece of shit with infinite refreshes

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Thanks for completely ruining early game for a hero that was already below average in laning phase. Oh and wasn't even that great or op overall. Oh and giving everyone shit ton of spirit resist for free. Oh and nerfing core items that are needed to get a build online. Oh and if you want to be relevant you'll have to spend 2-3 times more than some faggot going for flavor of the week gun build.

>pic related

Me unga, team bunga

>>500396516
Yeah, thank Gabe that half the retards on them are FOTM retards just picking what they heard is good this patch, but the good ones are fucked.

Still, I get a half-chub when I get a nice knockdown on them and kill them

I genuinely have no problem with Vindicta and Talon because at least I can kill them. Fuck Infernus and fuck M&K.

>>500395551

They aren't really tanks in the traditional rpg trinity sense. You can't taunt enemies into attacking you in a pvp game so there needs to be some baseline mobility and damage so they aren't completely ignored. You end up with fifty shades of bruiser. I unironically think paladins and to a lesser extent ow had the right idea by giving the Frontline big shields to protect the team. I dont think it would work nearly as well in this game because you don't have many koth scenarios. Maybe if the obj did a billion damage and you were forced to push as the trinity to take them but I can't see solo Andys liking that

If they ever do can the urn then a king of the hill obj would be a fine replacement

>>500396916
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, YOU MUST NERF THE WORST HERO IN THE GAME EVEN MORE!!!!!!!!!!!1

>>500397946
No matter the character, a character that has free invulnerability or "whoops, I fucked up because I'm a retard, let me just press this button to give me a 2nd chance for free" is bad game design.

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do Yamato got vagina?

>>500398054
But let's stop talking about Infernus, MK, Shiv, Pocket, Geist and Abrams

>>500398054
I think it's OK in moderation but it does power creep pretty fast

Idk if lol is still like this but when I quit it was always 5 flash vs 5 flash and everyone would use them nearly simultaneously

Just felt stupid at that point, might as well have no flash if they all just counter flash

ive been rushing siphon bullets on mcginnis recently ama r/deadlockthegame

>>500396314
Richochet feels like a noobtrap to me

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Bwos...

>>500398316
I do this on the sleeper OP character Guntank Ivy.

>>500398373
Haze is a noob trap in general. It's a one dimensional playstyle and you take what you can get with it. If you aren't killing or almost at least 2 people every teamfight with ult, you might as well play something else

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i love unwinnable games

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>>500396921
works on my machine

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>>500396921
it just werks

Ritualist 4 spamming Shiv while he was "broken"
Ritualist 6 after switching to Paradox and learning it in ranked
What does this mean for my future?

>>500398696
>gun Kelvin
He still works?

>>500399051
outlook bleak

>>500399151
Why

went from ascendant 3 to 4 and playing against eternuses on meta champions is truly next level in this game
i hope i get used to it quick; the difference between asc 6 and eternus 1 is actually massive

>>500399051
You're a meta slave faggot that likely lacks good fundamentals and this won't change

>>500399051
i dont even know what ritualist is

>>500399240
I have good dota fundamentals but I'm not learning aiming, it's for faggy cs kids

>>500399137
Obviously not, he lost

His selfish greedy build is why his team wiped every fight, if he went support they would have won ez. Id bet money he has no knockdown, no antiheal, no divine barrier or rescue beam to save ppl from hooks. Just a bad attitude from losing an early fight which is why he ratted the whole time

>>500398696
>both seven and haze
yep its rigged

>>500399312
>Good Dota fundamentals
>Only Ritualist
>Refuses to improve at shooter mechanics because you're pigheaded despite playing a hybrid genre game
Yeah you aren't going far in this game

>>500399312
>good dota fundamentals but I'm not learning aiming
same but im phantom so your fundamentals arent that good

>>500399682
Which heroes do you play and what's your dota mmr?
>>500399528
Yes because I'm not a faggot, cope

>>500399795
Why would I need to cope? I'm better than you.

>>500399854
And I'm not a faggot.

>>500399312
>I have good dota fundamentals but I'm not learning [good deadlock fundamentals]
ok? go play dota 2 then

>>500399795
geist yamato warden and rarely wraith
dota mmr was 6k + change but that was 5 years ago

>>500397946
>THE WORST HERO IN THE GAME
Not even close to true

>Retards take pride in the fact they're playing a half shooter, but won't learn shooter mechanics
Huh?

>>500400004
Well you are way higher mmr in the first place so no surprise. I was climbing but nowadays don't have much time to sweat in dota.
>geist yamato warden and rarely wraith
Hm ok I'm just looking for heroes that I can play without aiming. Melee shiv was good, but then was gutted by the nerf.

>>500397946
Yamato is only bad because the hero design attracts only the most degenerate of people with half a lobe of their brain missing
Only Yamato players can totally dominate a lane then proceed to chain feed as soon as laning ends

>>500399312
>but I'm not learning aiming, it's for faggy cs kids
It's not even hard to aim unless you're playing Geist or some shit where you shoot so slow it actually matters if you miss

>>500400219
Then I don't know what "fundamentals" anon was talking about. I farm the map, push waves, take objectives, call rosh, use slots. My weakness is pressing buttons in fights which was the same in dota.

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I have finally decided to try playing as Paradox for real. But I have no idea what direction to build her in. What's good for her?

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>>500400368
>fleetfoot

>>500400469
Yes, I have no idea what I'm doing. This build is from like a month ago.

>>500400469
Isn't that for HMC?

>a vindicta shoots her ult 3 times in rapid succession
Uh

I'm so fucking sick of unstoppable haze, I'm so fucking tired of that nigger character and her broken abilities solely designed to bait CS fags onto playing this shitty balanced game.

>>500400745
nothing can save you if you're too retarded to buy an item

>>500399369
yes clearly i was ratting with the highest kp on my team RETARD

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>Wondering the other day how this Yamato utterly assraped my team and was so far ahead in farm
>check the replay today
>seems normal so far, she's not doing anything special where did it all come fr-
>mfw
If this sin't proof of paid agents/forced loss bots by valve I don't know what is who has a 2K FUCKING BALL AT 11 MINUTES AND DIES LIKE THAT
THE WORST PART IS THE YAMATO DIDN'T EVEN KILL THEM HE JUST WANDERED ON OVER AND FOUND THE BALL IN THE FUCKING BUSHES

>>500401000
My money on the seven. Only seven players are capable of that feat

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>>500401000
The culprit, if you were curious, was her own team's vindicta. My team just LEFT a fucking 2k ball on the floor so their FILTHY YAMANIGGER could get a free win. Retarded fucking hero.

Viper is a fun hero but they really need to make initiating slides easier on her, remove the delay between starting sliding and being able to shoot, and and add a active item that gives you a really fast slide like a line boost slide.

>>500401000
>>500401107
vindicta ulti gives unsecured souls now anon

>>500401107
>>500401000
Also I went to test this in sandbox, Vindicta's ult gives unsecured souls so you better babysit your drooling retard Vindicta after she gets her free kill button at 3k souls so she doesn't turn around and feed it all because she's "saving" for glass cannon or some equally retarded shit with a 2k ball on her ass

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>seven that many ranks higher feeding
>enemy grey talon is a ranked only alt for some reason
>their vindicta was rapid-firing ults

I hate OCE, man

>>500400368
Anyone?

>>500386936
Idk man, being able to turn in Urns before the 20s reveal timer is up seems useful to me.

Hopoo I know you read these threads. Magician fucking blows:

1 is just a Wraith card clone but boringer. The targetting system is not great but at least Wraith has more stuff going on with that spell and it doesn't come to 2 redirects.

2 has also godawful assistant attack targetting. The swap is the only remotely interesting thing about it.

3 is way too strong, even with the +speed drawback. It's practically a much better Curse on a non-ultimate ability slot. I'd say make it his ultimate but then you got a Wraith clone again.

I don't know where the fuck you are leading this but so far no good.

>>500390047
>>500389627
Please keep quiet about that item.

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What am I supposed to do against Geist's retarded ult in 1v1?
>inb4 dont come close
It only works if your gun isn't shit and she doesn't have any movement items.
>deadlockspace
Do I just max out on healing items and fuck her over when she swaps?

>>500400796
No, metal skin isn't going to save your ass because of her broken speed during her ult, it doesn't work like that anymore. I might have a month ago when her ult didn't gave her 2m/s extra move speed, but not anymore.

>>500401889
try silence, curse, knockdown, slowing hex. dont follow her into a building

>>500401952
it works just fine

just give up if this is giving you trouble

>>500385460
>He isn't itemizing irl
Ngmi

>>500401889
if you didn't kill her just let her go you'll get em next time champ
or buy silence hex which is a must buy on every game with yamato, pocket, and geist

>>500402025
No, it doesn't, and you know what, she can also spend a very easy 1250 souls to buy a very easy to use item called "cold front" or "slowing hex" so it can be even easier for her to annihilate you with her broken ult.

>>500400851
Post match id, you won't cause I was dead right

>>500402325
brother, 3 seconds to use your stamina bars? you can easily los haze ult in 3 seconds, and if she doesn't have silencer / unstoppable someone is likely to stun her

>>500402325
if you are too retarded to use items, just quit

>>500386936
It's a core item on warden just for the speed boost since his 2 scales his move speed by +35% so just from veil walker, 4 movespeed turns into 5.4 move speed so you just zoom across the map like a maniac. Also, if you build into shields then yes having a way to quickly refill your shields is really really good.

Why is it accepted to just "buy items" against Haze in this general but if you say that about Wraith or Infernus people have a mental breakdown

>>500402602
the same retards that seethe about haze also seethe about wraith and infernus

>>500402602
buying one item to counter a entire character is generally more acceptable than having the entire team all have to buy three items to counter one character

>>500402602
>but if you say that about Wraith or Infernus people have a mental breakdown
I've never seen that happen.

>>500402472
Not with the speed and range of her ult. And don't pretend unstoppable isn't the first thing they all buy specifically for that purpose.

>>500402510
Metal skin doesn't work, and return fire doesn't either because she always has bullet lifesteal.

>>500400368
Wall maxx+ tankadox

>>500402602
Wrairth gets countered by iron skin and eshift. Infernus gets countered by debuff remover

>>500402682
cant tell if you're just retarded or trolling

>>500402682
have you applied for disability for your mental retardation? you could get free money

>>500402670
You don't have to buy 3 items for Wraith

>>500389505
It doesn't matter, it lets you safely rotate between lanes after a fight. Also 4% health regen is obviously great especially for big boys. The more health you have, the longer you have to stay in the fountain when your health gets low. iirc damage in fortitudes case is only affected by heroes and maybe troopers so you can also farm jungle while still healing. It effectively gives you more XP when you can both move between jungle/lanes faster and don't have to waste time going back to fountain nearly as much so you stay in the game longer, get more souls, while healing.

The fact that it gives you such a big boost in weapon damage is nuts too.

>>500401889
Early/mid just be low enough that the swap doesn't do shit except waste frames. Also restorative locket.

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Hey /dlg/, let's play a game together! The rules are simple, try to guess which team I'm in, am I in the Amber hand? Or am I in the Sapphire flame? The answer might surprise you!

>>500402850
Saph flame

By December all that is left will be russians. Why do they love Valve games so much? F2P?

>>500402895
Hopefully it won't be much longer until Steam gets banned there.

complaining about Haze ult is the easiest way to spot a <20hrs shitter and I really hope this remains an effective method for the lifetime of the game

so many things have to line up:
>she needs to outfarm everyone (i.e. your lobby isn't farming enough to deny her)
>she needs to get to late game (i.e. your lobby doesn't know how to close out vs. a late-game comp)
>she needs unstoppable + silence (otherwise she'd get stunned in a second)
>your movement and positioning have to suck (otherwise you just dash jump out of it or have easy access to verticality/cover)
>none of you must have bought counter items at any point during the game

Are there other easy tells?

>>500402895
Bosnian here, it triggers something in my brain when I play deadlock and dota

>>500402850
None. Trick question. You are spectating a game.

>>500396176
It's the simplest loop of push lane > farm jungle > push lane etc

>haze ults near me
>YOU CAN'T STOP THE WIND
>CONSUME THEM
>shoot her in the head
>she's dead

>>500402952
Bold of you to assume my team buys a single active item and doesn't lose all of their lanes 5 minutes in.

>>500402980
That's normal. LoL has the same effect yet it is more international.

>>500400745
Literally takes her like 20+ minutes to get unstoppable unless she's super head.
Literally countered by a single item.

>>500402602
Haze is completely useless for most of the game and then get walled again once you itemize agaonst her even when she peaks. She's the worst character right now imo
You can itemize to make wraith/infernus more manageable but they still perform well. Even if you e shift or w/e to dodge wraith ult, her damage burst with 3 cards + gun is still good. Infernus will still 1v1 you even if you debuff his healing because infernus has his own healing debuff as well, not to mention his mobility and stun to make play

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>win lane
>lose game
IT KEEPS HAPPENING

>>500403021
*evades*

Heroes like Haze are just bad game design overall and it shouldn't become a trend OP or not. Press 4 to win (or not win if people counterbuild) heroes are fucking retarded and make for a snoozefest on both sides.

>>500402893
>>500402983
Aha, I got you real good you silly goobers! I was actually in the Amber hand! And it was the exact same scenario FIVE FUCKING TIMES IN A ROW FOR FUCK'S SAKE DIE DIE DIE, THIS FUCKS HAVE THE BEST FARMING BRAINDEAD HERO AND CAN'T DO SHIT WITH HIM

>>500403052
when will people start realizing that complaining about brain dead teammates exposes that they're in pisslo too?

>>500403116
If you think haze is just an ultbot, you're a shitter.

>>500403150
What's funny is that I only get braindead teammates when I play this game with my friend who refuses to make callouts and just plays the game as if it's tf2 24/7 pl_upward or something like that.

>>500402786
>Infernus gets countered by debuff remover
healing reduction first, otherwise he'd heal up all your damage from a nearby creep wave
and he just lights you up 1 second after popping debuff remover. not worth it if "counter Infernus" is my #1 priority.

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its over

got a 1v5 tonight as seven, they played like bots but still
https://files.catbox.moe/qlu3pj.webm

>>500403061
I was a Lolbab before Deadlock and Dota. I'm really liking how unique the heroes and items are in Dota compared to Lol. It feels like riot just makes the heroes more flashy, and also the behavior system is more lenient.

Remove half the jungle creeps, all of the crates and slot machines. The game is now playable.

>>500403090
>Haze is completely useless for most of the game
I genuinely can't wrap my head around why people think this when she has a 3 second stun on a laughable cooldown and borderline permanent invisiblity.

Just press 1 you fucking retards.

Make it so deadlock is round based. Make it that heroes can't respawn after dying and every match they gain soul to be able to buy items. And if you die you lose all of your items.

>>500403090
Haze players like you are the most disgusting fucking liars holy shit

>>500403482
They think that because the only thing Haze players are good at is pressing 4.

>>500403432
it's not a problem when your whole team actually takes some time to farm the jungle themselves
you'd wish there were more camps

>>500403116
I hate to break this to you but icefrog will engineer an ulti stack meta for the first international

Nonplayers will see the big boom and hear the caster scream "OH MY GOD YUGE PLAY ITS OVER ITS OVER" then cum their pants

>>500403482
>3 second stun
>That gets cancelled out by any kind of damage

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I have no idea what I'm doing with Geist

Also that enemy vindicta was the same one as here >>500401432

I need to watch the replay cuz there's something weird going on

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>barely November
>game already dying
ugh YOSHIBROS?!?

>>500403684
That's what happens when you put ranked mode in.

>>500403482
>snipe a motherfucker with the knife when they're on low HP and it finishes them off
>snipe a motherfucker with the knife when they're too far away to engage properly and sprint the fuck up to their face before dumping a left click load into it

I genuinely love the knoife and get a little hard whenever I hit one

>>500403684
Marvel Rivals is gonna kill this game.

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>>500403482
>play with or against Haze in virtually every single game
>can't remember the last time I've been slept or seen an enemy sleeping
Fellas I feel like I'm going fucking bananas.

>>500403662

She uses her hp to cast and you didn't buy hp items

Also her gun is great and probably just better than a spirit build

>>500403684
The game needs like 20 more characters and a draft mode.

>>500403738
Retards like you start crying?

>>500403684
well yeah the balance is dogshit and not a single character is fun to fight. ziplines were a mistake and encourage they gayest rat gameplay, towers fall over like paper which basically means the first team to get a lead win by rolling the entire map and choking you out of the game, games STILL take too long to finish despite the paper thin towers, its just all gay as shit and i fucjkmxcjigdsfjkfjhsdkjsdffsd
I WANT TO STOP PLAYING
LET ME OUT
GIVE ME MY FUCKING GF BACK GOD YOU SEMETIC HOOKNOSED FUCK IM DONE DROWNING MY DEPRESSION NOW FUCK YOU LET ME FREE NIGGER

sorry dont know where that came from

>>500403927
The deaths were being bebop grabbed into abrams shiv
so yeah I could probably have done with some more HP or something

>>500402850
This game is boring
I'm gonna go play Deadlock instead

>>500402952
She can also just, you know, have good aim

>>500404035
you ok bra?

>>500404037
Reactive Barrier is great against hook

>>500403150
When I get an infernus in my team who loses laning phase going 0-5 and finishes the game at 1-12, and a full team who decides to kill mid boss when the entire enemy team is alive, yes I will fucking blame them.

>guardian which is fine until anyone hits 3k souls then dies instantly
>walker which heals unless creeps are nearby and only is dangerous if you get close
>two guardians which are just as useless as the first one
they really need to make it actually threatening to go near these things alone, I shouldnt be getting ganked in the fucking walker and the attacker takes no damage from the tower lmao

>>500404213
Perfectly fine brah totally
(This is what losing every walker by 15 minutes because one of my lanes fed Ivy and she rushed active reload and intensifying magazine looks like)

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I really hate playing as Paradox. So I don't think I'll be doing that anymore.

>>500404186
evenly matched, no haze can just shoot you and kill you
everyone has more bullshit in their kit and items if she has no ult

>>500404335
Skill issue, you could divine barrier+Heroic aura+rescue beam him and slow hex/cold front/ curse whoever he is fighting

>>500404372
Walker is only good for AoE stun

>>500404372
No you see, it's all part of Icefrog's expert social commentary about how you can never trust the system to actually protect you and how only naive people think there's any safe haven and the actually intelligent people will abuse the fuck out of you for that misguided belief and-
You wouldn't get it, it's a very slavic cultural thing.

>>500404372
if someone is diving you under walker and gets away with it, then the game has gone terribly, terribly wrong 10 minutes ago

>Fight Abrams
>Slogfest
>Fight M&K
>Slogfest
>Fight Infernus
>Extremely cringe slogfest
>Fight Vindicta or Gray Talon
>Cancerous because of their range and flight, if I close the distance their teammates come defile me
>Fight Pocket or Viscous
>They just spam their get out of jail free abilities
>Fight Geist
Warp stone ults me if I ever get her low
>Fight Mcginnis
>Have the least fun I've ever had in any video game
>Fight Yamato
>She just ults the second I get her low
So are mobas just like this or does a lot of shit need to change in this game cause half the cast is fucking horrible to fight

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>>500404520
>evenly matched, no haze can just shoot you and kill you

>>500404702
a few people can dive walker relatively risk free including kelvin, dynamo, pocket, viscous

>>500404545
Yes, you're totally right, I should spend 15k souls solely to try and rescue his ass when he dives solo to the other side of the map.

>>500404723
basically you need to build your entire kit around fucking over one enemy, so if theres a infernus you build all antiheal and toxic bullets, if theres gay talon or vindicta you take knockdown, mcginnis you kill yourself because shes unpunishable

>>500404723
A lot of shit needs to change

>>500404856
And what if the entire enemy team consists of a mix of those listed? Toxic bullets, healbane, curse, and debuff remover every game?

>>500404945
buy silence

>>500404856
>If there's an infernus
I literally ALWAYS build those

>>500404035
just play dota and CS like a normal human being, retard

>>500404945
Then I wait to see who gets fed and counter them

If they all get fed I'm losing regardless

>>500405197
>just play more torture games
kill yourself yahweh give her back you fucking semetic demon

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What was she cooking?

>>500405467
jukemeth

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Would anyone, on US West, want to play some deadlock? I want to make friends.

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Vindicta is ideal rape character.
She's extremely long range so initially you can't do anything to her but if you get in melee range she folds like tissue paper, she's also cute, barefoot and has running mascara. It's like Yoshi wanted people to make up rape fantasies about her

>>500405689
I'm US East but I'd be down, you have a Discord?

>>500405689
Nigga it's 5am in US west

>>500405689
wouldn't mind playing a few normally but it's 6 am and bed time

>>500405689
I don't want to be friends with a /bag/got.

>>500404035
Play some single player RPG's friend. It's better for escapism.

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>>500405838
Yeah but I'd like to play a match first if that is fine.
>>500405883
Understandable.
>>500405906
Fair, though I don't play ba, I just like the silly images.

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Daily reminder that there is no such thing as a trench. If you're stuck at a certain rating in 95% cases it means you belong there.
>"But anon you don't understand what my teammates are like"
If you were consistently better than the average player at that rating you wouldn't be there. The enemy team has those players too. If you got magically transplanted to a higher rating you would be a burden to your team.

If you want to get a higher rating you will have to
>sweat more
>metaslave
>get better mechanically (I'm 29, my aim and movement tech is not going to get any better)
>figure something you're doing wrong that's easy to fix
>have better game sense
>communicate better with your team
>play 8+ hours a day
>cheese
and even then if you do get to a higher rating if you think you'll never have people in your team who perform poorly you're in a very nasty surprise.

t. 10 years and 7k hours in Dota 2 watching people complain about "the trench" and identifying said trench specifically as their own MMR/division

>>500406082
I agree with this. Go play warhammer 40k rogue trader if Deadlock is getting you tilted.

Anyone had luck with restorative locket? It seems like a good idea against grenade spammers but it just feels weak as shit.

>>500406297
>>play 8+ hours a day
Is this why EU is so good at mobas? Because none of them have a job so they can just sit at home and play games all day?

>>500406389
It's generally good for characters who get in up close ever since stacking lifesteal got nerfed

Why does Ivy have so much sex? I thought she was supposed to be a uwu wholesome girl. I guess Holiday is the only pure maiden in the cast.

>>500400368
You go around fighting and making space mid game and then turn into a supporty ult bot because her damage falls off pretty hard.
Get T2 on 3 first for the speed bonus, then max 4 because you desperately want that reach, then max 2 for silence, and at that point it's better to max 1 than 3 because you don't care about the extra damage at that point.
You should really get High Velocity and possibly Pristine later. Her bullet velocity is dogshit.
Mystic Shot is great for early burst and makes spirit items more efficient because her base kit barely scales damage with spirit.
Slowing Bullets and Fleetfoot are fine, but I prefer just getting Basic Mag to fill out slots and buying T2 vit items or saving up for T3s.
Highly recommend Divine Barrier and/or Return Fire. Cheap items that massively up your tankiness in early-mid when you want to be constantly fighting.
Don't think Mystic Vuln and Mystic Slow are worth it. You want to delay Headhunter, Rapid Recharge and Superior CD as little as possible.
Get Fortitude instead of Superior Stamina. Warp Stone, Divine Barrier/Return Fire should be enough to save you after your swap, and then you just hang back and wait for your health to regen.
Again her late game damage isn't great so Reverb and Exposure aren't that good. Diviner's is fine but Curse is amazing.

>>500406389
I think it should be a 500 item desu

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I think they should allow duo queue in ranked up until a certain rank and then force you to solo queue from there, but what should that cutoff be?

well if anyone would want to play
XR3PW
I'm not all that good at these games

>>500406389
it's good for shiv and yamato to save their own skins

>>500406616
Oracle

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I'M VULNERABLE!!!

>>500406389
It's a free 500 hp heal. In my experience it's almost always maxed out.

>>500406297
and this ivy is actually just dead as dogshit right there on my fucking screen you guys
just POSITIVE mental attitude WINS GAMES

>>500406608
Reduce the max stacks to 10 and remove any other bonuses except maybe a small health boost, it might be pretty decent for early game. Heroes will generally use their abilities less because of higher cooldowns and at max +350~ health instantly is about half health.

>>500406643
fuck off, ranked should remain solo q forever. Too many people rely on people they know instead of working together with people they don't know, literally every ranked game right now is a bunch of retards who are used to playing with stacks playing solo afraid to commit or fight or even play around eachother because they think they're the main characters in a sea of solo queue

>>500406904
>and there's not much you can do about that
God I wish CLQ would return, and start making Deadlock videos.

>>500406297
>t. too retarded to know he's spent 7k hours in the trench in dota and is coping
Weird post but okay bud, you good?

>>500406082
I had been playing disco elysium but you start to feel a little burned out after 8-10 hours a day playing the one game

Please post that graph with distribution of ranks, also where did people the graph from?

>>500407023
>implying I'm stuck in the trench
Nah I'm just where I belong and peaked. There's no trench. I've seen people at both higher and lower ratings than me say they're in the trench who feel exactly the same way about it so there's really not A trench. If you think there is a trench, you're coping.

>>500407267
t. trenchie coping

>>500407367
It's always the teammates fault, right?
t. projecting

>>500403094
stop getting cocky and running in 1v2 just because you bullied the retard during lane

>>500407267
>>500407023
>>500407018
How do you guys put any credit towards ranks or anything with the amount of people boosting, the people buying those boosted accounts, the amount of people smurfing, the amount of smurfs who throw a game so they don't get flagged for smurfing etc

Deadlock is the same but 10x worse, you've got people aimbotting up to the high ranks and then selling the account

I'm in Phantom and this is probably where I will stay for the rest of this game's lifespan. Getting older sucks.

>>500407572
sure people cheat like crazy (it's a shooter, if you aren't cheating you aren't playing) but the account selling industry hasn't taken off yet

>>500407572
You sometimes get these people either on your own or the enemy team. Over a longer period, it just evens out. These games will suck, but they won't be a reason why you are, or are not, a certain rank.

Reminder if you want to rank high just make a new account and 6 stack your first 50 games

>Vindicta
>Gray Talon
Alright. So, how do you deal with this nigger comp?
inb4, >knockdown
Yeah and there's the other nigger.
inb4, >team
It's soloq, get real

>>500407756
>if you aren't cheating you aren't playing
This collective mindset of retards who think they have to win to have fun or can't play the game without cheating because everyone else is cheating etc has got to be one of the most retarded and short sighted mindsets readily available and constantly espoused by absolute bottom of the barrel mongoloid retards online.

People who cheat are the type of people who give up when they don't have cheats and all the arguments that apply to the shitters begging for a give up function also apply to cheaters - you're just mentally broken IRL losers who desperately need wins so you cheat in games for the satisfaction of winning something

>>500407246
Just google "deadlock ranks" and click on the first thing that shows up.

t. too lazy to screenshot it

>>500408146
noob

>>500408120

Long Range so you can plink them from far. You don't need to upgrade it to sharpshooter

>>500406506
yes and also because during fall/winter there is absolutely nothing to do outside since its dark and cold so even the average working dude stays inside

>>500408206
>mentally broken IRL losers who desperately need wins
We should start an outreach support program for people who cheat in online competitive video games because clearly their IRL situation is not good

>>500408146
Modern shooters are played with a controller and have autoaim for a reason. Clicking on heads is something nobody wants to do, and everybody wants to automate. The idiots at Valve don't realize that, so their game will fail.

>>500408309
That wouldn't be fair to people who aren't doing well but still refuse to cheat.

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>first she gets her spell name changed from "True Form" to "Stone Form"
>then she gets her ult namechanged from "Falling Grace" to "Air Drop"
>then she gets her gun changed from "Cat Dad's Fancy" to "Protector's Hand"
WHY DO THEY KEEP FUCKING HER OVER???

>cheaters coming out of the woodwork to defend themselves and attack the game design
>almost guaranteed to be the same terminally online autists in these threads who play in the inhouses
curious

>>500408315
>Clicking on heads is something nobody wants to do
Yes let's just continue catering to casuals because years of that has done wonders for games

>>500406616
have party queue rank which is not used for solo queue
cap it at like oracle 6 or something so you can tell the boosted animals are all oracle 6

>>500408315
CSGO doesn't have aim assist. That's why it's even considered a competitive game and why the "competitive scene" of games like Apex or Overwatch is considered a laughing stock.

>>500408646
>"competitive scene" of games like Apex or Overwatch is considered a laughing stock.
Somehow roller kids have managed to downplay AA and gaslight that it barely helps and people eat that shit up

>>500408598
except the average mmr my group of friends games according to faglock tracker is phantom/ascendant, so no

>>500409034
doesnt matter for your solo rank if its higher than the party max rank
thats how they used to do it in dota so the boosted animals were all divine 5 instead of immortal even if they would have the mmr for it

With the guy I grouped up in the thread, sorry for leaving. But I have urgent business attend to

>>500409196
>look at the city slicker with his fancy German car

>>500409196
its fine

>>500409196
I will never forgive you

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Ivy is no fun now that they've spent the last 3 major patches shitting all over spirit builds...

>>500408315
hahaha, it is insane people are falling for this bait

It's always funny when I freeze the lane and deadlockbabs dont know what to do. They back off or do jungle thinking the wave is going to be on their tower soon but they just miss out on souls doing that.

>>500409948
Freezing is very good in the solo lane but better players might use that opportunity to gank lanes if your side is pushed up on that lane.

>>500410216
never happened

>>500406297
but its been confirmed the matchmaking matches you up with people extremely lower in MMR than you

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what the fuck was that???

>>500410702
I had a game like that where I got a similar amount of kills but I also had 41k objective damage lol.

Gun builds are such a fucking joke when people know how to move around corners and only pop out for a second to press their button on you.

>>500410975
>seven pops out of the corner
>throws his ball at me and then goes back behind the corner
>I move slightly to the left
What's he gonna do now?

>>500411245
Balls come in pairs.

>>500410702
A very, very high MMR player queued with his completely new friend on the single most pub-stompy character and got put in a newbie match.

>>500409516
That would be fine if her gun build was still good but it's just not

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wyd if this happens?

>>500412309
ahaha oh no no no

>>500410592
So that's true for everybody except for the other 11 people in the game? Gaben himself has taken to targeting you, it seems. Aren't you supposed to be able to carry those people if you do have the higher MMR? Or are the people with lower MMR just on your team? How is the matchmaking system supposed to queue a high MMR player with another 5 (or 11, because I'm still not clear on what you mean) lower MMR players, and do that for every single person playing the game? Is this the dead internet theory?

>>500412309
end it all

>>500406297
i'm 30 and i feel like i aim better than when i was younger
t. ascendant V

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>>500412309

share the moe build NOW

>>500412309
I would try to self reflect and see what I did wrong to end up in that situation, and then attempt to improve myself.

>>500412309
I'm afraid of dropping in rank because dlg will call me washed up