Gigawatt Edition>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to give feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>Latest Patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/10-29-2024-update.42985/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be autistic.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, play bot matches.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlocked.wiki/https://liquipedia.net/deadlock/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1yfPHJsMrKcg_8wqa95qu0sOFxRdzKLF_eUWOZX7RLHcThreadlocked:>>500332370
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>>500385391kino prime
>The nigger's on top of the bridge!that did not sound like any of the voices in-gamewtf
So characters that can't ping green have placeholder voices?
>Got initiate V in ranked.Hell yeah brothers.I love it when the matchmaking is fucked and our entire team is -40k souls with a leaver.
Sex with Abrams
>>500385869weird gay retards
>>500385858Fellow sub-archon friends we're all in this together.
I have put zero real effort into getting good and calibrated at phantom. I can't imagine how terrible you have to be to place below oracle
On the topic of last thread's conversation, how easy would it be for a computer or computer team to 'solve' a given genre (the computers have perfect aim, perfect execution, etc). I do agree that fighting games seem easier to solve since it's purely 1v1 in a closed area, so the options are fewer and easier to calculate thanks to frame data and things like that. But when it comes to a game like Deadlock, it's inherently asymmetrical so I don't think you could have a 20XX scenario.
>our patron is weakened>we start doing midboss>see a rat pushing a sidelane>know time is precious>don't want to leave mid or it'll be stolen and it'll be gg>secure mid, instantly run to the patron>it barely dies before I can get therethis game needs a glyph so bad it's insane
do you think a complete monster character would work well? I saw hopoo's involvement and it made me think of playing as acrid in deadlock
the damage amp paradox gets from hitting people with her bomb also applies to the followup hit from echo shard in a strange way. a carbine that does 595 and 238 reverb damage does 731 with another 709 echo damage after 7 hits from a grenade which is supposed to be a 42% damage increaseseems pretty fucking good, even if you don't land exactly that many hits its still a ton of damage, just less so
have you ever received hatemail from deadlock player?
>>500386350>acrid in deadlockinfernus in a $20 godzilla costume.
>>500386327All they have to do is focus on harassing and they'll just choke out the player team really quickly
>>500386350https://vocaroo.com/1iLcfYjAiUG5
>>500386341>don't want to leave mid or it'll be stolen and it'll be ggYou fool, rejuv is not an automatic lose condition if you're insane enough.
https://streamable.com/wxumwnWhat did he mean by this
>>500386243I've noticed if you've basically ever played with friends who aren't good you're destined to be phantom/archon too
remember that one week where graytalon was virtually unplayable because he sucked and nobody picked him?man that was a good week.
>>500386763I like it when someone decides to be a snooty asshole to me because it gives me full permission to shit on them with no remorse. Earlier I had a 0-3 infernus tell me I was shit (I was 12-1 as bebop at the time). I got to enjoy shitting on him the rest of the game.
Is veilwalker worth it? It's strong early game but it feels like it scales like ass and if you don't go hard on it with like 3-4 vitality items it feels wasted
>>500386404I'm assuming two computer teams. A computer team (OpenAi5) already beat a Dota team some years ago. It would be unfair anyway thanks to the perfect aim and everything.
>>500386958Iirc that open ai team could only play like 10 heroes and I THINK they also limited your hero pool as well or they'd shit themselves. I also think the team that lost had dendi on it too so lol lmao
>>500386763lol I'd run it down after hearing a comment like that
>>500387054>Limited hero poolFair. Deadlock doesn't have a huge roster as is but I expect it to be larger when it's not in alpha, which is also probably when people would care enough about it to train AI teams on it. But AI technology would be better by that point, and so on. I guess my main point was that I just think it's pretty staggering how many variables there are in a match of Deadlock, and I don't see it being "solved" any time soon, even on paper.
>>500386763>Gets healed to 100%>Complains about healing not being usefulWhat a nigger
>>500387387I figure a solo lane that has a vindicta bot with perfect aim would win 100% of the time because of the better falloff distance and good bullet velocity
ima let you niggas on a little secret you can take it or not but Fortitude is broken
>>500386763YEP, I EUTHANISE.
>>500387540I already knew, it's great on McGinnis since nerfed stacking Spirit & Bullet Lifesteal.
>>500386327>>500386958>>500387054yeah it went against pro teams and beat them handily with a 100% or near 100% win ratebut i dont really consider that fair since the hero pools of BOTH the ai and pro teams were heavily restricted and i havent heard anything about it since
Gun with unlimited ammo but fire rate slows the longer you shoot
>>500387653it also feels very nice on abramsbut the value on it is insane atm has been getting buffed since early july
For DPS Infernus to i build towards maxing his spirit or gun? I tend to build my gun so I can ignite them more consistently but also build my spirit so the DoT can actually put a dent in their healthProblem is by the time it's mid to late game I fall behind in the damage race since I'm not focusing on one. My gun doesn't do jack and my damage over time isn't getting it done either. I also have trouble farming. Should I just stick to one lane and wave farm creeps or jungle? I hear jungleing isn't viable unless you know the quickest routes and rotations and every nook n cranny on the map and if you just walk around looking for camps you fall behind in souls and would have gotten more just farming creeps in a lane.
Are shields influenced by resistances or do they take flat damage
>>500386652Rejuv is overrated.Urns are more precious.
>>500387828they are independant of resists this includes debuffs. it's flat hp.
>>500387828Flat
>>500387540Eggsplain
>>500387904>>500387925Damn so it's actually good on someone like Pocket?
>>500387813contrary to popular belief, infernus is quite bad at farming before he maxes flame dashits why you see most people build ricochet on him, but the problem with ricochet is that its so expensive for meh stats so he tends to fall behind at mid gamemy solution? unironically get tesla bullets on him instead since you'll be building spirit anyways
>>500388084Shield is good early/early mid game for pretty much all characters. The soul/shield ratio is much more efficient than soul/hp you get from items. Furthermore, items like veil walker make shields even more insane mid game.However, shield aren't be affected by lifesteal and armor so it eventually fall off once the game moves to the phase where armor+lifesteal overcome in.
>>500388236Tesla is such a shit item. Literally just go rapid rounds + soul shredder + slowing bullets + toxic bullets and realise you need to be involved in fights early.
>>500387904What about evasion? I see mirages build shield but I wasn't sure if it stacked with his
>>500387949nothing to really explain just look at the buffs it has been getting the value right now you get everything you want 27% damageextra movement speed and if you get boots you really should get boots if you havent you can clean up lanes and get to fights pretty fastthen all the health you are getting but thats not all you regen at 4% rate after 10 seconds this is just a better heart of tarrasque kinda hard to ignore the item now
>>500388535I'm not 100% but I imagine evasion is just its own thing where it rolls a chance to miss and if it does miss it ignores the shield then. Worth noting mystic shot/lucky shot ignore evasion.
The black woman of Valve unoriginality.These are TWO different characters.
>>500388474you can take shields all the way to the end due to a lot of strong T4 items like spiritual overflow having shields. If you're playing someone that doesn't want a fair fight in the first place it can be worth it.Also has insane synergy with glass cannon and fortitude.
>>500388557I thought fortitude was good until some anon explained that your effective hp is influenced by your resistances, so your lifesteal is worse the more "raw" hp you have, basically I think fortitude is good on heroes that have spells giving the max hp % heals or use item that give max hp heals but not as good on heroes that don't
>>500388236The solution is to get armor+ toxic bullet so you aren't useless through mid game. Infermus is already very solid once he get some armor, spirit lifesteal and other core T2 and toxic bullet. Rushing ricochet is an extremely outdated strat/build for infernus and if you get to 20 min without spirit armor/return fire, the you are a pretty shitty infernus. I don't even get ricochet unless I am limited on slot and I only get it after leech+EE if I have slots available.
>>500388901Yeah you don't build ricochet to farm you build it to apply aids to multiple people in fights.
>>500389064True. The problem is that you rarely get ricochet on multiple players standing close together until late game when there's extended full teamfight. There are just so many good items for infernus than ricochet as well that ricochet just drop more and more down the priority to get.
>>500388842I mean, everyone has lifesteal in the late game. Also, the huge value of fortitude is in the Regen out of combat as well, so if you duck out of combat for like 15-18 sec at low health and pop back in at full health again.
>>500389210Yeah like for instance slowing bullets + mystic slow is insanely good cc and basically has you auto winning fights. Then you can throw inhibitor in there too and literally no one is winning fights into you.
>>500388236infernus is not quite bad at farming, you roll into a camp and slide for infinite ammo so you can ignite all the creeps in one clip, once you run out you flame dash napalm and they're all dead. for ancients you use your next clip
>>500389334a fight is fucking over in 15 seconds and that's only if you're able to escape from it to begin with.it's trash.
Who else Cold Front enjoyer here? I've been buying it on every hero every game because the clear speed is insane, the slow and bonus damage you get is just cherry on top
>>500389505Lmao very far from trash but im stay ahead of the curve you will start saying its good when your favorite streamer says it
>>500389387I usually don't build slowing bullet + mystic slow. I build slow hex sometimes and that's it. I just try to quickly get someone on fire+toxic and either chase or disengage. If I chase some burning fuck with flame dash, they aren't getting away anyway unless they have a movement ability/item (which case I would need slowing hex or just leave my teammates to do the chasing). Inhibitor is really good for both slow and insane damage debuff though. Frenzy is also crucial. Infernus can use so many strong T3 and T4 that idk if I should bother with ricochet unless there's a dynamo on my team or something like that
>>500389334>>500389505It's less about leaving a fight and coming back, but regenerating between fights. You kill an enemy and then his buddy comes down the lane some 20 seconds later, you're now up by 40% more HP than you otherwise would be.
>>500389334It's good because it's a huge weapon damage gun item on your green slot assuming your hero is never going to be in any scenario where you are going to go below 75%. The movement speed and regen are there so you can fuck yourself out of a bad position quick so you can get back to benefiting from the weapon damage buff.
>>500389742Yea, it's also nice to rotating lane to lane after some fight, maybe clearing some camps and hitting some boxes. It's just a very nice QoL to have on top of having great stats for a T3 item. In current meta where you have talon/Geist chucking shit at you across the map, it's nice to not just having to return to base because of some long range nuke being chucked across the map during a push or urn contest.
>>500389627i love cold front. it was already good and then they buffed it again. wouldn't be surprised if they nerfed it, honestly, it's insane to just walk into a camp and chunk it universally
>>500385715Fighting games are not simpler than poker, lmao. Quantifying the effects of an advantage or disadvantage position is insanely difficult.
How would you rate inhouse players?
>geists slow ass fuckin movespeed and no staminaAAAAAAA
>>500388901I never tried return fire since I usually go for improved spirit/bullet armor is it good because of its stats or because the automatic shot thing is actually useful?
>>500391032people who use mic > people who use pings > silent players > trash talkers >>>>> passive aggressive faggots
>>500391219No, it's cheesy way to duel because damage returned can give you health from "bullet lifesteal" statBut maybe it's good enought on Miku and Wraith
>>500391219>already have resists/mitigationreturn fire>don'tmetal skin
https://strawpoll.com/XmZRQ7waPgd
>>500391270what about people who use text to talk
>>500391891on par with pings
>>500386936veilwalker is a return to form anon, must buy.
>>500391219It's good due to both, even more so if you are already building gun and has bullet life steal as well. It has 7 sec of duration, plenty enough for duel in the mid gameIt gives 20 % bullet resist AND the return fire effect on activation. That is only too of 125 health and 9 spirit power passive path. It's just a better buy than bullet armor (25% bullet resist, 6% weapon damage)
>Talon's charged shot deals 165 damage at max level to a target dummy>Mystic burst bumps that up to 210>Improved burst lowers it to 196.Uhhhh anons? Why is the more expensive item worse?Can anyone else confirm on other heros?
>>500392215how are you able to post here if you can't read?
>mfw I hear "OOOHHHHH LASH, WHAT CAN'T YOU DO?"
>>500392215Are you literally retarded
>>500386936it and Shadow Weave are extremely funny with Magic Carpet because the carpet becomes invisible too when the effects are triggered
>enemy melee shiv 2 games in a row, same shiv, kicks the shit out of my team-mates because nobody has parry bound or to know when he's going to animation cancel the heavy meleeGODIHATETHISGAME
>>500392747>parry shiv>he moves it slightly to the side>get one shot>parry shiv>he gets parried>tanks it and kills me anyways>don't parry shiv>he doesn't go for melee>kills me with his retarded damage>don't parry shiv>he goes for the melee>kills me in a split secondThis character will literally never ever be balanced as long as that retarded fucking passive is a thing
>>500392864I was geist so he'd only ever target me when my ult was down, but I'd parry him and blow a load, curse, and he'd still get awayHe's so fucking annoying
>>500385391>one last game before sleep>rando haze abandons his lane to instantly farm red creeps>teammate starts yelling at him>"Once I get enough farm I'll carry">literally bought tesla bullets as his first item>proceeds to ult every fight and die because he refuses to buy anything that isn't a final tier item>had 5 fucking item slots at the end of the match>didn't ever buy silencer or unstoppable when he had enough money anywaysI hate Haze players so god damn much.
i fucking hate grey talontrail of tears when
I think it's really awesome how most of the teams I lose against have a Mo and a Mcginnis that you basically can't kill or reasonably do anything against and they act as a buffer between the minimal squishy enemies you have like Vindicta or Talon that just rape you from afar. People also consider this ok
>>500393754Character synergy? In my videogame?
>>500386958that was mostly due to inhuman reaction speed making most abilities useless because you could not use them against the botswhen they added 150ms reaction delay to the bots human players completely clowned on them with a 4 protect 1 strat where sniper would take all the farm then just attack move on them
>>500392747>>500392864>>500392926>Shiv has no interest in fighting fair
>>500393754>Anon learns about holy trinity in videogames
TOTAL HAZE LOVE. HAND HOLDING WITH HAZE. DANCING WITH HAZE. CUDDLING WITH HAZE. SNUGGLING WITH HAZE IN BED. KISSING HAZE. SWAPPING SALIVA WITH HAZE. MARRIAGE WITH HAZE. HAZE IN A BEAUTIFUL WEDDING DRESS. MATING WITH HAZE. IMPREGNATING HAZE. HAZE GIVING BIRTH TO OUR SMOKE CHILDREN. HAZE CRADLING OUR SMOKE CHILDREN IN HER ARMS WITH TEARS OF HAPPINESS IN HER EYES.
>"IT'S SO MUCH FUN TO WATCH POCKET WORKKKKKKKK">literally me minutes earlier
>>500393863>>500395035Except the tanks in this scenario also have great mobility and dps
Okay look, sure we lost every single lane and walkers after less than 15 minutes and we cower in fear at the sole thought of pushing a single lane when half of the enemy team is dead, but at least our jungle is entirely cleared, so it's okay right? We totally got this!
I'M SO TIRED OF THIS PATCHI'M SICK OF GAY TALON EVERY MATCHI'M SICK OF VINDICTA IN EVERY MATCHI'M SICK OF EVERY GAME BEING WON THROUGH WHO HAS THE MOST FUCKED TEAM INSTEAD OF ANY SEMBLANCE OF SKILLPATCH THIS SHIT SOONER ICEFRAUD
>>500396057I win against every Vindicta+Grey Talon team.
How do you farm through haze's early game anyway? Everything feels abysmal until I get lucky shot as my first 6300, and then it sorta speeds up, but trying to get there feels like pulling teeth both in lane and in early brawls that my teams constantly lose because nobody understands how to skirmish
>>500396176You basically ignore most skirmish and do the minimal to secure urn/defend tower and only truly play when you have ricochet + unstoppable
>>500392747>>500392864>Abrams tries to bait me into a parry with some animation cancelling bullshit>I don't parry because I forgot>he takes it to mean that I'm a fucking retard who will never, ever parry>tries to hit me with a real heavy>parry himI'm just on a different level.
>>500396314>ricochetlmao
>>500396139Happy for you, wish i had you in my games then
>>500396470Look for the answer inwards.
>>500396516I am a yamato main and I just love seeing those faggots fly.
>get my rank>Archon VI'm so fucking washed bros
>get rank first week>get the same rank again next weeki need to git guder (in 2 weeks when they patch the flying niggas)
>>500396562>I am a yamatoFuck Yamato, unkillable piece of shit with infinite refreshes
Thanks for completely ruining early game for a hero that was already below average in laning phase. Oh and wasn't even that great or op overall. Oh and giving everyone shit ton of spirit resist for free. Oh and nerfing core items that are needed to get a build online. Oh and if you want to be relevant you'll have to spend 2-3 times more than some faggot going for flavor of the week gun build.>pic related
Me unga, team bunga
>>500396516Yeah, thank Gabe that half the retards on them are FOTM retards just picking what they heard is good this patch, but the good ones are fucked.Still, I get a half-chub when I get a nice knockdown on them and kill them
I genuinely have no problem with Vindicta and Talon because at least I can kill them. Fuck Infernus and fuck M&K.
>>500395551They aren't really tanks in the traditional rpg trinity sense. You can't taunt enemies into attacking you in a pvp game so there needs to be some baseline mobility and damage so they aren't completely ignored. You end up with fifty shades of bruiser. I unironically think paladins and to a lesser extent ow had the right idea by giving the Frontline big shields to protect the team. I dont think it would work nearly as well in this game because you don't have many koth scenarios. Maybe if the obj did a billion damage and you were forced to push as the trinity to take them but I can't see solo Andys liking that
If they ever do can the urn then a king of the hill obj would be a fine replacement
>>500396916>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, YOU MUST NERF THE WORST HERO IN THE GAME EVEN MORE!!!!!!!!!!!1
>>500397946No matter the character, a character that has free invulnerability or "whoops, I fucked up because I'm a retard, let me just press this button to give me a 2nd chance for free" is bad game design.
do Yamato got vagina?
>>500398054But let's stop talking about Infernus, MK, Shiv, Pocket, Geist and Abrams
>>500398054I think it's OK in moderation but it does power creep pretty fastIdk if lol is still like this but when I quit it was always 5 flash vs 5 flash and everyone would use them nearly simultaneously Just felt stupid at that point, might as well have no flash if they all just counter flash
ive been rushing siphon bullets on mcginnis recently ama r/deadlockthegame
>>500396314Richochet feels like a noobtrap to me
Bwos...
>>500398316I do this on the sleeper OP character Guntank Ivy.
>>500398373Haze is a noob trap in general. It's a one dimensional playstyle and you take what you can get with it. If you aren't killing or almost at least 2 people every teamfight with ult, you might as well play something else
i love unwinnable games
>>500396921works on my machine
>>500396921it just werks
Ritualist 4 spamming Shiv while he was "broken"Ritualist 6 after switching to Paradox and learning it in rankedWhat does this mean for my future?
>>500398696>gun Kelvin He still works?
>>500399051outlook bleak
>>500399151Why
went from ascendant 3 to 4 and playing against eternuses on meta champions is truly next level in this game i hope i get used to it quick; the difference between asc 6 and eternus 1 is actually massive
>>500399051You're a meta slave faggot that likely lacks good fundamentals and this won't change
>>500399051i dont even know what ritualist is
>>500399240I have good dota fundamentals but I'm not learning aiming, it's for faggy cs kids
>>500399137Obviously not, he lostHis selfish greedy build is why his team wiped every fight, if he went support they would have won ez. Id bet money he has no knockdown, no antiheal, no divine barrier or rescue beam to save ppl from hooks. Just a bad attitude from losing an early fight which is why he ratted the whole time
>>500398696>both seven and hazeyep its rigged
>>500399312>Good Dota fundamentals >Only Ritualist>Refuses to improve at shooter mechanics because you're pigheaded despite playing a hybrid genre gameYeah you aren't going far in this game
>>500399312>good dota fundamentals but I'm not learning aimingsame but im phantom so your fundamentals arent that good
>>500399682Which heroes do you play and what's your dota mmr?>>500399528Yes because I'm not a faggot, cope
>>500399795Why would I need to cope? I'm better than you.
>>500399854And I'm not a faggot.
>>500399312>I have good dota fundamentals but I'm not learning [good deadlock fundamentals]ok? go play dota 2 then
>>500399795geist yamato warden and rarely wraithdota mmr was 6k + change but that was 5 years ago
>>500397946>THE WORST HERO IN THE GAMENot even close to true
>Retards take pride in the fact they're playing a half shooter, but won't learn shooter mechanicsHuh?
>>500400004Well you are way higher mmr in the first place so no surprise. I was climbing but nowadays don't have much time to sweat in dota.>geist yamato warden and rarely wraithHm ok I'm just looking for heroes that I can play without aiming. Melee shiv was good, but then was gutted by the nerf.
>>500397946Yamato is only bad because the hero design attracts only the most degenerate of people with half a lobe of their brain missingOnly Yamato players can totally dominate a lane then proceed to chain feed as soon as laning ends
>>500399312>but I'm not learning aiming, it's for faggy cs kidsIt's not even hard to aim unless you're playing Geist or some shit where you shoot so slow it actually matters if you miss
>>500400219Then I don't know what "fundamentals" anon was talking about. I farm the map, push waves, take objectives, call rosh, use slots. My weakness is pressing buttons in fights which was the same in dota.
I have finally decided to try playing as Paradox for real. But I have no idea what direction to build her in. What's good for her?
>>500400368>fleetfoot
>>500400469Yes, I have no idea what I'm doing. This build is from like a month ago.
>>500400469Isn't that for HMC?
>a vindicta shoots her ult 3 times in rapid successionUh
I'm so fucking sick of unstoppable haze, I'm so fucking tired of that nigger character and her broken abilities solely designed to bait CS fags onto playing this shitty balanced game.
>>500400745nothing can save you if you're too retarded to buy an item
>>500399369yes clearly i was ratting with the highest kp on my team RETARD
>Wondering the other day how this Yamato utterly assraped my team and was so far ahead in farm>check the replay today>seems normal so far, she's not doing anything special where did it all come fr->mfwIf this sin't proof of paid agents/forced loss bots by valve I don't know what is who has a 2K FUCKING BALL AT 11 MINUTES AND DIES LIKE THATTHE WORST PART IS THE YAMATO DIDN'T EVEN KILL THEM HE JUST WANDERED ON OVER AND FOUND THE BALL IN THE FUCKING BUSHES
>>500401000My money on the seven. Only seven players are capable of that feat
>>500401000The culprit, if you were curious, was her own team's vindicta. My team just LEFT a fucking 2k ball on the floor so their FILTHY YAMANIGGER could get a free win. Retarded fucking hero.
Viper is a fun hero but they really need to make initiating slides easier on her, remove the delay between starting sliding and being able to shoot, and and add a active item that gives you a really fast slide like a line boost slide.
>>500401000>>500401107vindicta ulti gives unsecured souls now anon
>>500401107>>500401000Also I went to test this in sandbox, Vindicta's ult gives unsecured souls so you better babysit your drooling retard Vindicta after she gets her free kill button at 3k souls so she doesn't turn around and feed it all because she's "saving" for glass cannon or some equally retarded shit with a 2k ball on her ass
>seven that many ranks higher feeding>enemy grey talon is a ranked only alt for some reason>their vindicta was rapid-firing ultsI hate OCE, man
>>500400368Anyone?
>>500386936Idk man, being able to turn in Urns before the 20s reveal timer is up seems useful to me.
Hopoo I know you read these threads. Magician fucking blows:1 is just a Wraith card clone but boringer. The targetting system is not great but at least Wraith has more stuff going on with that spell and it doesn't come to 2 redirects.2 has also godawful assistant attack targetting. The swap is the only remotely interesting thing about it.3 is way too strong, even with the +speed drawback. It's practically a much better Curse on a non-ultimate ability slot. I'd say make it his ultimate but then you got a Wraith clone again.I don't know where the fuck you are leading this but so far no good.
>>500390047>>500389627Please keep quiet about that item.
What am I supposed to do against Geist's retarded ult in 1v1?>inb4 dont come closeIt only works if your gun isn't shit and she doesn't have any movement items.>deadlockspaceDo I just max out on healing items and fuck her over when she swaps?
>>500400796No, metal skin isn't going to save your ass because of her broken speed during her ult, it doesn't work like that anymore. I might have a month ago when her ult didn't gave her 2m/s extra move speed, but not anymore.
>>500401889try silence, curse, knockdown, slowing hex. dont follow her into a building
>>500401952it works just finejust give up if this is giving you trouble
>>500385460>He isn't itemizing irlNgmi
>>500401889if you didn't kill her just let her go you'll get em next time champor buy silence hex which is a must buy on every game with yamato, pocket, and geist
>>500402025No, it doesn't, and you know what, she can also spend a very easy 1250 souls to buy a very easy to use item called "cold front" or "slowing hex" so it can be even easier for her to annihilate you with her broken ult.
>>500400851Post match id, you won't cause I was dead right
>>500402325brother, 3 seconds to use your stamina bars? you can easily los haze ult in 3 seconds, and if she doesn't have silencer / unstoppable someone is likely to stun her
>>500402325if you are too retarded to use items, just quit
>>500386936It's a core item on warden just for the speed boost since his 2 scales his move speed by +35% so just from veil walker, 4 movespeed turns into 5.4 move speed so you just zoom across the map like a maniac. Also, if you build into shields then yes having a way to quickly refill your shields is really really good.
Why is it accepted to just "buy items" against Haze in this general but if you say that about Wraith or Infernus people have a mental breakdown
>>500402602the same retards that seethe about haze also seethe about wraith and infernus
>>500402602buying one item to counter a entire character is generally more acceptable than having the entire team all have to buy three items to counter one character
>>500402602>but if you say that about Wraith or Infernus people have a mental breakdownI've never seen that happen.
>>500402472Not with the speed and range of her ult. And don't pretend unstoppable isn't the first thing they all buy specifically for that purpose.>>500402510Metal skin doesn't work, and return fire doesn't either because she always has bullet lifesteal.
>>500400368Wall maxx+ tankadox
>>500402602Wrairth gets countered by iron skin and eshift. Infernus gets countered by debuff remover
>>500402682cant tell if you're just retarded or trolling
>>500402682have you applied for disability for your mental retardation? you could get free money
>>500402670You don't have to buy 3 items for Wraith
>>500389505It doesn't matter, it lets you safely rotate between lanes after a fight. Also 4% health regen is obviously great especially for big boys. The more health you have, the longer you have to stay in the fountain when your health gets low. iirc damage in fortitudes case is only affected by heroes and maybe troopers so you can also farm jungle while still healing. It effectively gives you more XP when you can both move between jungle/lanes faster and don't have to waste time going back to fountain nearly as much so you stay in the game longer, get more souls, while healing. The fact that it gives you such a big boost in weapon damage is nuts too.
>>500401889Early/mid just be low enough that the swap doesn't do shit except waste frames. Also restorative locket.
Hey /dlg/, let's play a game together! The rules are simple, try to guess which team I'm in, am I in the Amber hand? Or am I in the Sapphire flame? The answer might surprise you!
>>500402850Saph flame
By December all that is left will be russians. Why do they love Valve games so much? F2P?
>>500402895Hopefully it won't be much longer until Steam gets banned there.
complaining about Haze ult is the easiest way to spot a <20hrs shitter and I really hope this remains an effective method for the lifetime of the gameso many things have to line up:>she needs to outfarm everyone (i.e. your lobby isn't farming enough to deny her)>she needs to get to late game (i.e. your lobby doesn't know how to close out vs. a late-game comp)>she needs unstoppable + silence (otherwise she'd get stunned in a second)>your movement and positioning have to suck (otherwise you just dash jump out of it or have easy access to verticality/cover)>none of you must have bought counter items at any point during the game Are there other easy tells?
>>500402895Bosnian here, it triggers something in my brain when I play deadlock and dota
>>500402850None. Trick question. You are spectating a game.
>>500396176It's the simplest loop of push lane > farm jungle > push lane etc
>haze ults near me>YOU CAN'T STOP THE WIND>CONSUME THEM>shoot her in the head>she's dead
>>500402952Bold of you to assume my team buys a single active item and doesn't lose all of their lanes 5 minutes in.
>>500402980That's normal. LoL has the same effect yet it is more international.
>>500400745Literally takes her like 20+ minutes to get unstoppable unless she's super head.Literally countered by a single item.
>>500402602Haze is completely useless for most of the game and then get walled again once you itemize agaonst her even when she peaks. She's the worst character right now imoYou can itemize to make wraith/infernus more manageable but they still perform well. Even if you e shift or w/e to dodge wraith ult, her damage burst with 3 cards + gun is still good. Infernus will still 1v1 you even if you debuff his healing because infernus has his own healing debuff as well, not to mention his mobility and stun to make play
>win lane>lose gameIT KEEPS HAPPENING
>>500403021*evades*
Heroes like Haze are just bad game design overall and it shouldn't become a trend OP or not. Press 4 to win (or not win if people counterbuild) heroes are fucking retarded and make for a snoozefest on both sides.
>>500402893>>500402983Aha, I got you real good you silly goobers! I was actually in the Amber hand! And it was the exact same scenario FIVE FUCKING TIMES IN A ROW FOR FUCK'S SAKE DIE DIE DIE, THIS FUCKS HAVE THE BEST FARMING BRAINDEAD HERO AND CAN'T DO SHIT WITH HIM
>>500403052when will people start realizing that complaining about brain dead teammates exposes that they're in pisslo too?
>>500403116If you think haze is just an ultbot, you're a shitter.
>>500403150What's funny is that I only get braindead teammates when I play this game with my friend who refuses to make callouts and just plays the game as if it's tf2 24/7 pl_upward or something like that.
>>500402786>Infernus gets countered by debuff removerhealing reduction first, otherwise he'd heal up all your damage from a nearby creep waveand he just lights you up 1 second after popping debuff remover. not worth it if "counter Infernus" is my #1 priority.
its over
got a 1v5 tonight as seven, they played like bots but stillhttps://files.catbox.moe/qlu3pj.webm
>>500403061I was a Lolbab before Deadlock and Dota. I'm really liking how unique the heroes and items are in Dota compared to Lol. It feels like riot just makes the heroes more flashy, and also the behavior system is more lenient.
Remove half the jungle creeps, all of the crates and slot machines. The game is now playable.
>>500403090>Haze is completely useless for most of the gameI genuinely can't wrap my head around why people think this when she has a 3 second stun on a laughable cooldown and borderline permanent invisiblity.Just press 1 you fucking retards.
Make it so deadlock is round based. Make it that heroes can't respawn after dying and every match they gain soul to be able to buy items. And if you die you lose all of your items.
>>500403090Haze players like you are the most disgusting fucking liars holy shit
>>500403482They think that because the only thing Haze players are good at is pressing 4.
>>500403432it's not a problem when your whole team actually takes some time to farm the jungle themselvesyou'd wish there were more camps
>>500403116I hate to break this to you but icefrog will engineer an ulti stack meta for the first internationalNonplayers will see the big boom and hear the caster scream "OH MY GOD YUGE PLAY ITS OVER ITS OVER" then cum their pants
>>500403482>3 second stun>That gets cancelled out by any kind of damage
I have no idea what I'm doing with GeistAlso that enemy vindicta was the same one as here >>500401432I need to watch the replay cuz there's something weird going on
>barely November>game already dyingugh YOSHIBROS?!?
>>500403684That's what happens when you put ranked mode in.
>>500403482>snipe a motherfucker with the knife when they're on low HP and it finishes them off>snipe a motherfucker with the knife when they're too far away to engage properly and sprint the fuck up to their face before dumping a left click load into itI genuinely love the knoife and get a little hard whenever I hit one
>>500403684Marvel Rivals is gonna kill this game.
>>500403482>play with or against Haze in virtually every single game>can't remember the last time I've been slept or seen an enemy sleepingFellas I feel like I'm going fucking bananas.
>>500403662She uses her hp to cast and you didn't buy hp itemsAlso her gun is great and probably just better than a spirit build
>>500403684The game needs like 20 more characters and a draft mode.
>>500403738Retards like you start crying?
>>500403684well yeah the balance is dogshit and not a single character is fun to fight. ziplines were a mistake and encourage they gayest rat gameplay, towers fall over like paper which basically means the first team to get a lead win by rolling the entire map and choking you out of the game, games STILL take too long to finish despite the paper thin towers, its just all gay as shit and i fucjkmxcjigdsfjkfjhsdkjsdffsd I WANT TO STOP PLAYINGLET ME OUTGIVE ME MY FUCKING GF BACK GOD YOU SEMETIC HOOKNOSED FUCK IM DONE DROWNING MY DEPRESSION NOW FUCK YOU LET ME FREE NIGGERsorry dont know where that came from
>>500403927The deaths were being bebop grabbed into abrams shivso yeah I could probably have done with some more HP or something
>>500402850This game is boringI'm gonna go play Deadlock instead
>>500402952She can also just, you know, have good aim
>>500404035you ok bra?
>>500404037Reactive Barrier is great against hook
>>500403150When I get an infernus in my team who loses laning phase going 0-5 and finishes the game at 1-12, and a full team who decides to kill mid boss when the entire enemy team is alive, yes I will fucking blame them.
>guardian which is fine until anyone hits 3k souls then dies instantly>walker which heals unless creeps are nearby and only is dangerous if you get close>two guardians which are just as useless as the first onethey really need to make it actually threatening to go near these things alone, I shouldnt be getting ganked in the fucking walker and the attacker takes no damage from the tower lmao
>>500404213Perfectly fine brah totally(This is what losing every walker by 15 minutes because one of my lanes fed Ivy and she rushed active reload and intensifying magazine looks like)
I really hate playing as Paradox. So I don't think I'll be doing that anymore.
>>500404186evenly matched, no haze can just shoot you and kill youeveryone has more bullshit in their kit and items if she has no ult
>>500404335Skill issue, you could divine barrier+Heroic aura+rescue beam him and slow hex/cold front/ curse whoever he is fighting
>>500404372Walker is only good for AoE stun
>>500404372No you see, it's all part of Icefrog's expert social commentary about how you can never trust the system to actually protect you and how only naive people think there's any safe haven and the actually intelligent people will abuse the fuck out of you for that misguided belief and-You wouldn't get it, it's a very slavic cultural thing.
>>500404372if someone is diving you under walker and gets away with it, then the game has gone terribly, terribly wrong 10 minutes ago
>Fight Abrams>Slogfest>Fight M&K >Slogfest>Fight Infernus>Extremely cringe slogfest>Fight Vindicta or Gray Talon>Cancerous because of their range and flight, if I close the distance their teammates come defile me>Fight Pocket or Viscous>They just spam their get out of jail free abilities>Fight GeistWarp stone ults me if I ever get her low>Fight Mcginnis>Have the least fun I've ever had in any video game>Fight Yamato>She just ults the second I get her low So are mobas just like this or does a lot of shit need to change in this game cause half the cast is fucking horrible to fight
>>500404520>evenly matched, no haze can just shoot you and kill you
>>500404702a few people can dive walker relatively risk free including kelvin, dynamo, pocket, viscous
>>500404545Yes, you're totally right, I should spend 15k souls solely to try and rescue his ass when he dives solo to the other side of the map.
>>500404723basically you need to build your entire kit around fucking over one enemy, so if theres a infernus you build all antiheal and toxic bullets, if theres gay talon or vindicta you take knockdown, mcginnis you kill yourself because shes unpunishable
>>500404723A lot of shit needs to change
>>500404856And what if the entire enemy team consists of a mix of those listed? Toxic bullets, healbane, curse, and debuff remover every game?
>>500404945buy silence
>>500404856>If there's an infernusI literally ALWAYS build those
>>500404035just play dota and CS like a normal human being, retard
>>500404945Then I wait to see who gets fed and counter themIf they all get fed I'm losing regardless
>>500405197>just play more torture gameskill yourself yahweh give her back you fucking semetic demon
What was she cooking?
>>500405467jukemeth
Would anyone, on US West, want to play some deadlock? I want to make friends.
Vindicta is ideal rape character.She's extremely long range so initially you can't do anything to her but if you get in melee range she folds like tissue paper, she's also cute, barefoot and has running mascara. It's like Yoshi wanted people to make up rape fantasies about her
>>500405689I'm US East but I'd be down, you have a Discord?
>>500405689Nigga it's 5am in US west
>>500405689wouldn't mind playing a few normally but it's 6 am and bed time
>>500405689I don't want to be friends with a /bag/got.
>>500404035Play some single player RPG's friend. It's better for escapism.
>>500405838Yeah but I'd like to play a match first if that is fine.>>500405883Understandable.>>500405906Fair, though I don't play ba, I just like the silly images.
Daily reminder that there is no such thing as a trench. If you're stuck at a certain rating in 95% cases it means you belong there.>"But anon you don't understand what my teammates are like"If you were consistently better than the average player at that rating you wouldn't be there. The enemy team has those players too. If you got magically transplanted to a higher rating you would be a burden to your team.If you want to get a higher rating you will have to>sweat more>metaslave>get better mechanically (I'm 29, my aim and movement tech is not going to get any better)>figure something you're doing wrong that's easy to fix>have better game sense>communicate better with your team>play 8+ hours a day>cheeseand even then if you do get to a higher rating if you think you'll never have people in your team who perform poorly you're in a very nasty surprise.t. 10 years and 7k hours in Dota 2 watching people complain about "the trench" and identifying said trench specifically as their own MMR/division
>>500406082I agree with this. Go play warhammer 40k rogue trader if Deadlock is getting you tilted.
Anyone had luck with restorative locket? It seems like a good idea against grenade spammers but it just feels weak as shit.
>>500406297>>play 8+ hours a dayIs this why EU is so good at mobas? Because none of them have a job so they can just sit at home and play games all day?
>>500406389It's generally good for characters who get in up close ever since stacking lifesteal got nerfed
Why does Ivy have so much sex? I thought she was supposed to be a uwu wholesome girl. I guess Holiday is the only pure maiden in the cast.
>>500400368You go around fighting and making space mid game and then turn into a supporty ult bot because her damage falls off pretty hard.Get T2 on 3 first for the speed bonus, then max 4 because you desperately want that reach, then max 2 for silence, and at that point it's better to max 1 than 3 because you don't care about the extra damage at that point.You should really get High Velocity and possibly Pristine later. Her bullet velocity is dogshit. Mystic Shot is great for early burst and makes spirit items more efficient because her base kit barely scales damage with spirit.Slowing Bullets and Fleetfoot are fine, but I prefer just getting Basic Mag to fill out slots and buying T2 vit items or saving up for T3s.Highly recommend Divine Barrier and/or Return Fire. Cheap items that massively up your tankiness in early-mid when you want to be constantly fighting.Don't think Mystic Vuln and Mystic Slow are worth it. You want to delay Headhunter, Rapid Recharge and Superior CD as little as possible.Get Fortitude instead of Superior Stamina. Warp Stone, Divine Barrier/Return Fire should be enough to save you after your swap, and then you just hang back and wait for your health to regen.Again her late game damage isn't great so Reverb and Exposure aren't that good. Diviner's is fine but Curse is amazing.
>>500406389I think it should be a 500 item desu
I think they should allow duo queue in ranked up until a certain rank and then force you to solo queue from there, but what should that cutoff be?
well if anyone would want to playXR3PWI'm not all that good at these games
>>500406389it's good for shiv and yamato to save their own skins
>>500406616Oracle
I'M VULNERABLE!!!
>>500406389It's a free 500 hp heal. In my experience it's almost always maxed out.
>>500406297and this ivy is actually just dead as dogshit right there on my fucking screen you guysjust POSITIVE mental attitude WINS GAMES
>>500406608Reduce the max stacks to 10 and remove any other bonuses except maybe a small health boost, it might be pretty decent for early game. Heroes will generally use their abilities less because of higher cooldowns and at max +350~ health instantly is about half health.
>>500406643fuck off, ranked should remain solo q forever. Too many people rely on people they know instead of working together with people they don't know, literally every ranked game right now is a bunch of retards who are used to playing with stacks playing solo afraid to commit or fight or even play around eachother because they think they're the main characters in a sea of solo queue
>>500406904>and there's not much you can do about thatGod I wish CLQ would return, and start making Deadlock videos.
>>500406297>t. too retarded to know he's spent 7k hours in the trench in dota and is copingWeird post but okay bud, you good?
>>500406082I had been playing disco elysium but you start to feel a little burned out after 8-10 hours a day playing the one game
Please post that graph with distribution of ranks, also where did people the graph from?
>>500407023>implying I'm stuck in the trenchNah I'm just where I belong and peaked. There's no trench. I've seen people at both higher and lower ratings than me say they're in the trench who feel exactly the same way about it so there's really not A trench. If you think there is a trench, you're coping.
>>500407267t. trenchie coping
>>500407367It's always the teammates fault, right?t. projecting
>>500403094stop getting cocky and running in 1v2 just because you bullied the retard during lane
>>500407267>>500407023>>500407018How do you guys put any credit towards ranks or anything with the amount of people boosting, the people buying those boosted accounts, the amount of people smurfing, the amount of smurfs who throw a game so they don't get flagged for smurfing etcDeadlock is the same but 10x worse, you've got people aimbotting up to the high ranks and then selling the account
I'm in Phantom and this is probably where I will stay for the rest of this game's lifespan. Getting older sucks.
>>500407572sure people cheat like crazy (it's a shooter, if you aren't cheating you aren't playing) but the account selling industry hasn't taken off yet
>>500407572You sometimes get these people either on your own or the enemy team. Over a longer period, it just evens out. These games will suck, but they won't be a reason why you are, or are not, a certain rank.
Reminder if you want to rank high just make a new account and 6 stack your first 50 games
>Vindicta>Gray TalonAlright. So, how do you deal with this nigger comp?inb4, >knockdownYeah and there's the other nigger.inb4, >teamIt's soloq, get real
>>500407756>if you aren't cheating you aren't playingThis collective mindset of retards who think they have to win to have fun or can't play the game without cheating because everyone else is cheating etc has got to be one of the most retarded and short sighted mindsets readily available and constantly espoused by absolute bottom of the barrel mongoloid retards online. People who cheat are the type of people who give up when they don't have cheats and all the arguments that apply to the shitters begging for a give up function also apply to cheaters - you're just mentally broken IRL losers who desperately need wins so you cheat in games for the satisfaction of winning something
>>500407246Just google "deadlock ranks" and click on the first thing that shows up.t. too lazy to screenshot it
>>500408146noob
>>500408120Long Range so you can plink them from far. You don't need to upgrade it to sharpshooter
>>500406506yes and also because during fall/winter there is absolutely nothing to do outside since its dark and cold so even the average working dude stays inside
>>500408206>mentally broken IRL losers who desperately need wins We should start an outreach support program for people who cheat in online competitive video games because clearly their IRL situation is not good
>>500408146Modern shooters are played with a controller and have autoaim for a reason. Clicking on heads is something nobody wants to do, and everybody wants to automate. The idiots at Valve don't realize that, so their game will fail.
>>500408309That wouldn't be fair to people who aren't doing well but still refuse to cheat.
>first she gets her spell name changed from "True Form" to "Stone Form">then she gets her ult namechanged from "Falling Grace" to "Air Drop">then she gets her gun changed from "Cat Dad's Fancy" to "Protector's Hand"WHY DO THEY KEEP FUCKING HER OVER???
>cheaters coming out of the woodwork to defend themselves and attack the game design >almost guaranteed to be the same terminally online autists in these threads who play in the inhousescurious
>>500408315>Clicking on heads is something nobody wants to doYes let's just continue catering to casuals because years of that has done wonders for games
>>500406616have party queue rank which is not used for solo queuecap it at like oracle 6 or something so you can tell the boosted animals are all oracle 6
>>500408315CSGO doesn't have aim assist. That's why it's even considered a competitive game and why the "competitive scene" of games like Apex or Overwatch is considered a laughing stock.
>>500408646>"competitive scene" of games like Apex or Overwatch is considered a laughing stock.Somehow roller kids have managed to downplay AA and gaslight that it barely helps and people eat that shit up
>>500408598except the average mmr my group of friends games according to faglock tracker is phantom/ascendant, so no
>>500409034doesnt matter for your solo rank if its higher than the party max rankthats how they used to do it in dota so the boosted animals were all divine 5 instead of immortal even if they would have the mmr for it
With the guy I grouped up in the thread, sorry for leaving. But I have urgent business attend to
>>500409196>look at the city slicker with his fancy German car
>>500409196its fine
>>500409196I will never forgive you
Ivy is no fun now that they've spent the last 3 major patches shitting all over spirit builds...
>>500408315hahaha, it is insane people are falling for this bait
It's always funny when I freeze the lane and deadlockbabs dont know what to do. They back off or do jungle thinking the wave is going to be on their tower soon but they just miss out on souls doing that.
>>500409948Freezing is very good in the solo lane but better players might use that opportunity to gank lanes if your side is pushed up on that lane.
>>500410216never happened
>>500406297but its been confirmed the matchmaking matches you up with people extremely lower in MMR than you
what the fuck was that???
>>500410702I had a game like that where I got a similar amount of kills but I also had 41k objective damage lol.
Gun builds are such a fucking joke when people know how to move around corners and only pop out for a second to press their button on you.
>>500410975>seven pops out of the corner>throws his ball at me and then goes back behind the corner>I move slightly to the leftWhat's he gonna do now?
>>500411245Balls come in pairs.
>>500410702A very, very high MMR player queued with his completely new friend on the single most pub-stompy character and got put in a newbie match.
>>500409516That would be fine if her gun build was still good but it's just not
wyd if this happens?
>>500412309ahaha oh no no no
>>500410592So that's true for everybody except for the other 11 people in the game? Gaben himself has taken to targeting you, it seems. Aren't you supposed to be able to carry those people if you do have the higher MMR? Or are the people with lower MMR just on your team? How is the matchmaking system supposed to queue a high MMR player with another 5 (or 11, because I'm still not clear on what you mean) lower MMR players, and do that for every single person playing the game? Is this the dead internet theory?
>>500412309end it all
>>500406297i'm 30 and i feel like i aim better than when i was youngert. ascendant V
>>500412309
share the moe build NOW
>>500412309I would try to self reflect and see what I did wrong to end up in that situation, and then attempt to improve myself.
>>500412309I'm afraid of dropping in rank because dlg will call me washed up
If you're useless in combat in dota, you can still be useful outside of teamfights and take actions that benefits your teams like placing wards and stacking camps. But what the fuck do you do in deadlock if you're doing nothing in team fights?
>>500412309That's basically like going from top 50 to top 300. Realistically it's not that big of a deal.
>>500412897No, they'll call you a namefag and that's much worse.
>>500412921Buy save items so you don't have to interact with the enemy team, just like in dota.
>>500412926t. PoshypopBoosted ape returning to monke ranks where he belongs. Time to make 15 alts
>>500412921pushing lanes/rat-ting
>>500412926ascendant is not top 300 lol
>>500412921Buy rescue beam and whenever your carry is about to get a kill "save him"You can also stand on the enemy steps and slingshot him into tower if you cancel it immediately after use
>>500412921the highest wr pub start is to let the other retards eternal brool to keep the opponents distracted while you rat walkers
>>500412921Defend or push up lanes so your teammates that can actually fight aren't the ones stuck doing it.
>>500413230If you're going by region it is. There's a little over 100 players in all of eternus in NA, europe only has a little bit more. In NA, there's only 220 players in ascendant 6 so it's more or less top 300 assuming that guy is NA. If hes' a yuro, top 400
Everytime there is a Mirage in the game it feels like they have perfect aim. They usually don't even use the rest of the hero's abilities. Just the passive.
>>500412506So your argument went from "You're don't have shitty teammates you are the same as them" to "well everyone ELSE must have shit teammates too".You're a retard, you do get put in matches where you get stomped and you do get put in matches where you stomp because of shit matchmaking.
>>500412309>Eternus 5 to Oracle 6Lmao that's a free fall head first
>>500414131oracle's color is a dark orange
>>500414052His scarabs are unironically his best ability right now.
I got into seeker 5 rank so happy!
>>500414183Still a huge drop thoughever
>>500412979There's tripfag and he is even allowed to play with us. Clearly being namefag isn't punished enough
>>500414052I don't know about perfect aim, but the streamers and youtubers click baiting with mark Mirage mislead the average Deadlock player into thinking Tornado and Scarabs are trash.
>>500414501No, people are just retarded. I was telling people how good scarabs were day 1 and the first week was filled with tons of people saying scarabs are bad, mainly because they didn't understand it nor do they understand how good -% bullet resist is
>>500414097My argument is that nobody is special, not enough for the system to intentionally put you, and specifically you, in a stacked game. If you expect to consistently be matched in games with extremely low skill variance, you'd be queueing for a very long time.>""You're don't have shitty teammates you are the same as them" to "well everyone ELSE must have shit teammates too"."Why can't both be true?
>>500414501How could anyone think that tornado is bad when it's like 5 different abilities wrapped into one.
>play Geist exclusively >make it to ascendant 4 despite no moba experience>now she is unplayably bad
>>500414595People still don't really get scarabs,(I don't blame them it's pretty confusing) I see people just shoot one for the shred. At level 1 if you shoot creeps then use the last 1 on the enemy hero you will have like 50% more hp then them and they are shredded 10%It's actually retarded
Wrecker is such a mess of a hero kit
>>500412309eternus is literally like 100 people in na its not a big deal a lot of pros/streamers also got ascendant 6
>>500416910>a lot of pros/streamers also got ascendant 6They suck then
>wraith dies by herself in 1v4 when they just did mid>teamchat “don’t die solo lol”, so the game doesn’t end>wrigger crashes out on me saying we have the same deaths despite me having five more kills (6/5 to 1/5)>Endgame scoreboard I have 2.5x her damage and 3k more obj dmg Jeez why do people get so pressed in pubs? I kid you not all I said to get that kind of rage was in quotation marks to be immediately met with “shut your whore mouth”
>>500417704People in general don't like snarky pointless comments from teammates after they've made a mistake.
>Remove Urn>Double the HP and payouts of every jungle creepta da...
Just your average ascendant lobby :)
>>500417824>pointlesstrue, niggas like you will never learn from their mistakes so no reason to point them out
>>500418174if trackcock is anything to go by my ritualist matches are better than this shit
I don't want to have to beg my teammates to push objectives anymore
>>500418174>unranked hazeEvery time. It's always the unranked hazes in ascendant games.Unironic forced 50 agents
rejuv has to be made harder to stealevery single game, from ascendant to eternus, there is at least one steal, even multiple per game
>>500418174There's no way you're Ascendant who carried you?
>>500418174>Infernus>most souls>least damage on teamClassic
>>500385467
>>500418818Literally just push
>>500414609You dont have to be special for the matchmaking to not be shit retard
>>500418818It really happens a lot. I've just walked in alone and popped it like 4 times this past week.I think it's mostly becauseA) almost nobody ever calls out roles Parry/break/ult before it drops unless I do it and you really need two parries and two breaks for good coverage B) nobody wants to burn ults "just in case". Nobody is even walking in there if unstoppable Haze or Dynamo is already ulting
>>500419202>my team is absolutely raping the enemy team>that gives me space to farm!literally
>>500410592are you actually this retarded? no one can be this retarded, right? im worried
>>500420065>I've just walked in alone and popped it like 4 times this past weekNone cares what happens in wood mmr.I've generally see about 3 abilities used to confirm it
>>500385821Or their VA didn't have a recording session since change was made.
>>500418818it's really fucking autisticSome heroes being alive just flat out prevent you from going mid
>>500421432Yamato is biggest offender
>>500417824>t. inting wrigger who takes pubs and their inflated ego too seriously
>>500417439yeah im sure anonymous timmy on 4channel is way better than them
Should I learn Shiv Is knife Shiv good
>>500421578now you are getting it
>>500421538And Abrams, and Lash, and Wraith, and fucking half the roster unless your unstoppable nigga actually knows what he has to do and half the time nobody has that shit
>>500420053Did you mean to say "You don't have to be special for the matchmaking to be shit retard", retard?
>>500421707>And AbramsCountered by anyone with stun waiting outside to force his ult out>LashCountered by small walls near vents and infernus ult>WraithCountered by any stunYamato is Only hero that has single counter Kelvin ult
>>500422006read what abrams's maxed ult does
>>500422006And how many heroes have unconditional, non-delayed point-and-click stuns again? Not factoring in the fact that if you wait "outside", they can just go in from the other side. Same with waiting up top, as there are like a dozen holes into the mid area
can you duo in hero labsnever played it
>Grey Talon and Vindicta forced onto the same team literally every gameAre these devs for fucking real? The one thing that could counter a sniper and it's extremely weighted to just throw them on the same team every time?
>>500420647>>500421837lmao if you actually believe the matchmaking isnt doing that you can just look at any match tracking website
>>500422894You havent known suffering in this game until you lane against a vindicta/grey talon as pocket
>infernus on my team>0-12-3>infernus on the enemy team>30-2-25
>>500422894If I had more faith in the devs I'd think lane matchups were dictated as a matter of balance data gathering.
>>500423034literally how does that even work? please explain. the whole logic of that scenario is fucked up>matchmaking matches you up with lower rank playersokay so what about those lower rank players? they arent getting matched up with lower ranked players in this scenario. theyre getting matched up with higher ranking players. retard fuck
>>500423257>enemy team>buys anti heal/slow hex>you>complains on basket weaving forum
>>500422894just play better
>>500424545excuse me but how does antiheal prevent me dying from flaming AIDS
>>500424638Nice to know that even in eternus you have some fuck feeding 10 kills
I willingly became a 50/50 agent. It's much more relaxing to just relax and win if the team carries you. If they are struggling i will not show up in teamfights. I will however take our jungle and boxes. If you want a better rank you have to carry me.
>>500424690You kill the guy giving you flaming herpes because he cant heal
Dogadox needs a built-in emote
>>500422894Talon+Vindicta in the same team is 99% a loss for them
>>500424807sauce
for me i dont really have an issue with vindicta on her own but this game's constant metaslave bullshit meaning i have to buy knockdown and play around gt and vin flight every single game until next patch when all the bandwagon faggots hop onto the next thing to get buffed it's just repetitive and makes the game annoying to play. and it's going to be like this forever because zoomers have a compulsive need to metacuck so they can be competitive
if they made a cuter model for yamanigger i would play her and not complain about facing her, simple as
any advice on items to get on goo man? i’m new and i have some sense of what items i should get, but viscous seems to be really flexible in his builds being able to do pretty much anything. i already know that puddle punch scales with melee bonuses, but besides that im a bit cluelessdo i go with spirit stacking? weapon stacking? do i stack a bunch of survivability and just be a nuisance with ball? basically what role should i be trying to fill with viscous and what generally should i build to do it (and if theres any crazy items i should know let me know)
shitlow is actual hell in this gameatleast in league you can just play jungle and dominate the game from there, what the fuck are you meant to do in this game?
>>500412309LOL this man dropped a whole div then drops a vid "the true way to carry" and it's brooling
>>500424867Another downplayer. Does it get old?
>>500425924Lmao, they're fucking useless together
>>500408456There aren't any cheaters in inhouses>B-but there areName them, faggot.
>>500423034>if you actually believe the matchmaking isnt doing that you can just look at any match tracking websiteOkay anon, I'll humor you. What exactly am I supposed to be looking at?
>>500425991>t. Laasti
>>500424448yeah so you were wrong
>played my first ranked game>placed with high Archons>tfw pleasantly surprised because I know I am shit
>>500425979you have no idea what you're talking about. but hey that's just the reality at phantom.
>Get ranked>Initiate 3>Mostly win ranked matches>Next ranking>Initiate 4>Barely get any kills, constantly dying, assists onlyFuck, I didn't know that the difference in ranks in MOBAs were so drastic.
>>500426621Right, right. And Eternus apparently >>500424638
>in the middle of a winnable ranked game>hear sirens>have to leave the game and get to bomb shelterto my teammates that i let down, i'm sorry
>>500426682Post match ID.
>>500426747are you from ukraine or what
>>50042683525627386
>>500426919that or stockholm
>>500426919no it's another place that's getting bombed but naming it won't get me any sympathy
>>500426989>25627386You're in a game right now? Because Deadlock is offering me to spectate.
>>500427235Yes, I'm Mo&Krill.
34 games played last two weeks, only lost 2 games in a row once.Starting off this week with 4 losses in a row, gonna run it down for the rest of the week, can't wait!
>>500427279Who is pausespamming?
>>500427220i love jews personally
>>500426212i dont blame you for forgetting since you have profound mental retardation but you replied to a post disproving trenches.>but its been confirmed the matchmaking matches you up with people extremely lower in MMR than youand you get to be the lower ranking player too in some matches unless youre literally the best player. matchmaking being what it is at least doesnt create inescapable trenches contrary to what you want to believe
>>500427279Close.
>>500426621>double sniper is go-ACK
is there a site that lets me see what items people built in a match
>>500427648i'm sorry
>>500426682>>500426989I suppose we at least won. Long fucking match, though.
>>500427279You won!
>>500427947>hes from some arab countryyeah i dont have sympathy ur right
>>500428158nah you got it right the first time, i'm not actually jewish though
>>500428097https://youtu.be/kahoWJOsjoc
>>500428231ah ok, based stay safe
>>500427648Based. Every reasonable person would
>>500426207nta but I never cheated thoughever
AIDS
>>500429560worst lane is still geist/viscousnon stop aoe crap flying your way
Should I learn Infernus or Shiv
>>500419108he is clearly the only actually decent player on that team, considering he's the only one that didn't hard feed and actually managed to deal damage to playerswven in a 15 minute game i fail to comprehend how is it possible to do less than 5k player damage
>>500429560AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>500429560>no bro it's actually fine that these heroes can just permanently stay up in the sky and rape you to death with spirit damage with no commit and being virtually immune to every AOE in the game.
So this is what a good Mirage looks like.
>>500427784>3 people with 0-24 KD feeding infernus arent inescapable trenches
>>500396176Shitters here don't know how to haze, so they'll recommend you farm up unironically for ricochet.
>placed in ritualist 6>try to climb back>first game 1/15 Seven>second game my team throws a game with 30k advantage, patron weakened and our base intactfuck this shit, always paired with retards, fuck you Yoshi you dumb niggeralso nerf Talon you fucking faggot
>>500430660>play paradox and mirage>zero issues with shittiers that fly around in the airFeels good to have picked the right heroes.
>>500431936>16-0>Still doesn't beat the haze in souls despite her barely having a positive k/dNothing wrong with that character at all
>>500429560Who actually sees grey talon and goes "oh yeah that guy looks good I wanna play him"? Seriously who is the audience holy fuck everything about this faggot is so lame other than maybe the owl
>>500432386BROOLING isn't the most effective way to farm, who fucking knew
>>500432476Then how are all of the hazes in my own team always 10k souls behind everyone despite them avoiding BROOLING at all costs?
>>500397604Stop trying to force boomer faggotry design into places where it doesn't work. People fucking hated shields in OW, and they'll hate shields here too.
>>500430660USE FUCKING KNOCKDOWN HOLY SHIT did you install the game 2 seconds ago?
>>500432759>only one in your team with knockdown because people are allergic to active items or can't deviate from their premade meta esport build>have to deal with two characters at once who can fly
>>500432906>this character sucks because my teammates domaybe get out of shit mmr and your teammates will buy knockdown
Yeah, I can't play as Dynamo. Another hero for the "not touching until further notice" shelf. Also, did anyone else notice strong lag spikes in their matches today? This match was particularly painful, but my ping is only ~45ms.
I feel like some of the currently bought items are overrated or just bad.Pristine Emblem, Tesla Bullets, Combat Barrier, Burst Fire, Hunter's Aura, Cold Front; to name a few.They really don't provide as much value as people perceive.Similarly, some items that are overtuned go under the radar most of the time:Withering Whip, Escalating Resilience, Siphon Bullets, Slowing Bullets, Improved Armors, Inhibitor; etc.Withering is actually so strong it can shutdown any gun build or aimbotter for a whole fight. By itself it singlehandedly nullifies things like Ricochet and Lucky Shot in critical moments.It even works on Haze ultimate, reducing her damage by over 70% since she can't even get Fixation stacks.Try it next time you go against Haze, Vindicta, Wraith, the usual culprits.
>>500433125>can't get out of shit mmr because game decides of the characters instead of everyone picking their character one by one like on league or dota
>>500433241Pristine emblem is a strong item against Shiv
>>500433501How is that item "good against" anyone? It's not an item that counters abilities or items
>>500433651
>>500433501>>500433651Because he is over 50% health for a long time due to his passive right?You're actually a genius, but yeah, apart from that I don't see it being good.
>>500433241>Try it next time you go against Haze>she presses 4Whoopsie
>>500433798>>500433932Who buys pristine emblem for it's passive? What makes it good is the bullet velocity and it being a big stat stick, the passive is just a minor bonus
>>500434130Reducing Fire Rate lowers her ult damage, it even goes through Unstoppable.Try it using a mimic on Sandbox.It's probably a bug but it works for now.
I parried Abrams twice and dumped an entire mag and a half into him. He just ran towards me then used his shoulder charge for a free melee lifesteal giving him back all that health he lost from being parried in one simple swoopThat fucker is just not possible to take on solo in mid to late game.
>>500434231I thought you buy pristine emblem for a upgrade on low velocity characters.
>>500434251Abrams gets bullied hard at every stage of the game by firefloyd
>>500432464Ancestral spirit native american characters will always be kino design tropesorry that you took too many owls up the ass
>>500433651Emblem is a good statstick power-up item for some heroes like Paradox/Pocket who benefit from gun damage to some degree but have no 6k items that they'd specifically want
So who took Grey Talons place as the Z tier team anchor?
>>500434251For some reason he gets a pass even though you generally can only 2v1 him
>>500434448Not that anon but he's not a good representation of that trope. He looks like a stupid little old lady.
>>500433241Cold Front is a great lane janny/farm toolHunter's Aura is a better Fleetfoot
>>500434373>>500434456that's exactly my point >>500434231I was questioning why anyone would buy the item specifically to counter Shiv
>>500434569which is why i humbley await his redesign
Does anyone even use Restorative Locket?
>>500434896support kelvin/viscous
>>500434243It slows down her ult? Don't worry, I'm pushing an update RIGHT FUCKING NOW to fix it.
3 losses in a row because retarded nigger team that never does objectives or keeps feeding fuck you yoshi i hope you fucking die you nigger
Grey Talon should look like a midget version of John Redcorn
>>500433241Cold Front is great for heroes that cant farm waves easily tf are you on?
More like withering shit
How do you get souls as Dynamo?
>>500434896good yamato players
Im getting bored of the game brehs... none of my friends play anymore, what the fuck do I do, dont wanna return to DOTA...
>>500434448If he actually looked like Turok it'd be fine, but he looks like a stupid little mexican grandma.
>>500434896I enjoy it on Viscous versus a Geist because she has very low cooldowns and you can just emergency pop it when she ults you.
>>500434231imo (and you get a free "you're a retard" for this) the bullet velocity is noticeable but does not make that much of a difference on most charactersThe gun damage you get (39%) is really just not good compared to any other of the 3k tier.Paradox makes sense though, because of Kinetic.>>500434603Please enlighten me on how these items are comparable.>>500435080Does it realistically save that much time compared to just using one ability and hitting one or two headshots on each minion?Especially now with the scaling spirit resistance into late game it feels pretty bad.
>>500410702Nobody on the enemy team bought any spirit armor I guess?
There is a good chance there is a cheater in this very general. Just from the state of the anti-cheat system and number of cheaters.
Anyone else getting random massive fps drops this patch?
>>500436113we already had cheaters in the inhouse, keep up
FUCKING NIGGERS SHIT MATCHMAKING RETARDED FUCKING TEAM EVERY TIME HOLY SHIT
>>500433241Burst fire combat barrier and cold front are all great and nobody buys coldfront
>>500434896shiv with return fire and locket is literally unbeatable
>>500436940I feel like combat barrier's best use case is if you're a left click hero and you don't have a flex slot yet
>>500434896viper
Why are there so many leavers in ranked?
>>500437526>low networth hazeit's the agents
>>500437526third world game
>>500428158>it's okay when jews do itYou should have sympathy for arabs in arab countries because they're fucking staying there instead of coming to yours
Early lucky shot + glass cannon is funny when you're ahead in souls
>>500437452 The bonus dmg just makes it better than it's armor counterpart until late game when you upgrade it but half the games don't even go late
>>500437452fire rate is a fairly rare stat, doubly so for green items.
played mo for the first time and he gets raped by kelvin and mcginnis. how do i play against those characters?
>>500438247bro your stamina?
>>500438247combat barrier is twice+ the price of extra stam and gives the same fire rate, conditionallyNo way youre THAT starved for 6% fire rate
>>500438521>>500438685>Implying I don't get both
I love how every match is decided by Vindicta and Grey Talon this game is gonna be killed before beta because of this shit
>be Viscous>usually have a great lane time because you're so great and can poke for 200 damage>build for 1>farm, lane janny, rat, just roll away at first signs of trouble>very chill game always, don't care if win or lose because you do nothing anyway except throwing some 1s and maybe a Knockdown once in a whileTake the goopill anon
>>500436710Name them, you niggerfaggot.>laastiHasn't played in weeks.
>>500436940I see Cold Front in pretty much every Yamato/Pocket build, sometimes Lash or Abrams for some ungodly reason.Burst Fire is a weird case in that usually people go Swift Striker into Burst Fire and that completely kills your tempo since now you have no real gun damage and you basically wasted 3k overinvesting into one stat.If you buy Burst Fire after a one or two 6k gun items it is extremely powerful, however.>>500437452Combat Barrier can be ok for farming but the time it takes for barrier to come back up when fully depleted (50 seconds) basically makes the passive a gamble if it'll be active in the right moments sometimes.
>>500439038it really isn't though, the real decider is which team has the haze, if its a good one they win, if its a bad one they lose, 100% of the time.
new additions to the subhuman list: the french and brits. every online game would be 100% improved if these faggots mics were unbound
>>500439717>sometimes Lash or Abrams for some ungodly reason.because they can't farm for shit with their base kits. Lash especially is cucked by the lane creeps getting spirit resist.
Not a close game in sigh for 1,5 weeks now. I feel nothing. I should uninstall.
>>500439431NTA but what did he do to invoke constant namefagging? inb4 it's just him
>>500439815>the frencheveryone already knew this>britswhat'd they do to you
>>500439431i'm also not cheating so yknow
Does anyone else feel like matchmaking became worse after this week's ranking?
Are people done pretending this is good UI and not mmorpg raider tier vomit?
>>500440110>what'd they do to youwannabe IGLs who get assmad when people don't listen to their shit calls and start throwing on purpose. this has been the case in CS for years but in mobas they actually have a negative impact
>>500440065Some schizo forgot to take their meds and decided to accuse him of cheating.>>500440171The last inhouse I played had a schizonigger throwing a melty about imaginary cheaters.
>>500439862I thought both of them had enough gun damage in any decent build to just kill any minions in or two hits.Also can't you just cut off waves and do one heavy melee to clear it?
>>500440267okay I never looked at it that way, yeah that looks fucking awful
I was thinking about quitting Miku for inhouse, but after playing a pub and winning I had some insights.The problem is that I was playing the turret build as I would Vindicitia/Shiv/Viscious/Ivy, which is:1. Look at map2. Go push/fight/jungle/gank3. repeatBut with turrets, Miku is a MACRO player, so I should've been:1. Look at map2. Guess what the map is going to look like in 15-20 seconds3. Go to where there's going to be a team fight, an easy objective to push, or an objective we'll lose otherwise.This way, I can set up turret nests in places that will force the enemy team to fight in awkward positions.I've also made a few changes to my build, adding Kinetic Dash for manuvears/gun damage, quicksilver reload to stack on turrets, and an optional support path if I'm fighting a lot with the team(although healing booster is useful enough to buy every game IMO.) Superior cooldown/Improved reach on turrets is probably sketchy, but cooldown makes them late-game viable since you can slam four turrets and replace the ones that blow up and improved reach really helps team fights in lane/mid/base when placed correctly.
>>500440267you don't need to look at most of this shit anyway always, but it's mandatory to have at some point
>>500440267It's 40 minutes, rejuv, pushing base, and everybody has their build. Looks normal. Only low iq shitters would get confused on what's going on.
>>500440267>low bitrate image from a streambad faith argument detected
>>500440221you're just dropping to your real non carried ranking.
>>500440362im a britbong and ive noticed that actuallyi think its because we're really shit at video games and trying to be the strategy guy is the copepersonally i practically never speak in game
>>500440714I went from Initiate 3 to Initiate 4.
>>500440507if you get heroic first one and one point into 2 then you can turn one turret into the value of 3 so you can play reactive too
>>500422006>Yamato is Only hero that has single counter Kelvin ultKelvin ult is probably the biggest anti yamato ult in the game.A kelvin can be 5k souls behind early/mid and will still survive/kill the yamato, while trapping the yamato so she cannot go or do anything.
>>500440828Oh thanks, that's a pretty good point. Would've probably helped me win a few more fights and is way better if I'm in a duo lane.
I fucking hate getting Mirage on my team, because 9 times out of 10 its going to be some retard doing the epic djinns mark build where he will spend the entire match plinking people from 20 meters away farming damage and not actually doing anything. Its basically having one fewer player on your team
>>500436472Yes brother that has been a issue plus all the random server lag spikes
>>500441773At least he is meta lmao having a haze on your team is almost gg go next most of the time
>>500441403>>500440828Actually, I'm double retarded because Heroic Aura gives 20% bullet lifesteal/movement speed and it has a passive, SEPARATE FROM IT'S ACTIVE, that increases fire-rate of minions(which I assume includes turrets).Shit, I always thought it was kind of weird how well I could fight with minions, mystery solved I guess.
anyone else getting a bug where souls are invisible sometimescan still see the like glowing mist thats meant to be around itbut the actual ball is gone
>>500442223Yes have the same issue with urn
>>500439795what fucking patch are you playing? Haze? Seriously?
>>500400142>Only Yamato players can totally dominate a lane then proceed to chain feed as soon as laning endsbecause she has a good early lane and then right before laning phase ends she falls off insanely hard and quick because she HAS to wait 5 whole levels to put it into her power slash so she>starts kinda strong early lane>peaks mid laning phase with 2 points in 1 and like 4ish 500 items>falls off after this as she cannot spend any points, she MUST wait for 5 whole points to upgrade 1 again or she's uselessthen she peaks again with 5 points in 1 and cold front + twoish other tier 2 items or a torment pulse, then she quickly falls off again because of the dogshit overnerfed ult until she has improved burst, maxed ult/3 and several vitality and one other 3k itemthen she falls off hard AGAIN until she gets mystic reverb (now giga nerfed) and/or refresher, but at which point she gets completely countered by silencing glyph, curse or silencer so she HAS to spend a ton on unstoppable and now it's late game so she completely falls off and requires like 5 power slashes to kill anyonethis means she's both a snowball feast or famine hero that wants to brool but ALSO requires a lot of farming but still falls off anyways, and the nerfs to laning which make it matter even less nowadays make her even weaker, dying twice to her in lane is nearly irrelevant and the moment anyone ganks her she's fresh meat because melee with no reliable movementbut of course, some nigger playing shiv/lash/mo/mirage/paradox/vindicta/mcginnis or some other giga broken shit doesn't realize just how hard some heroes struggle, they see a guy sweating their ass off kill them with 3 power slashes while ahead because they came from behind and caught them off position and they instantly lose their shit
>>500442208>that increases fire-rate of minions(which I assume includes turrets).read it a 3rd time retardbro, the passive is for PLAYER MINIONS. It doesn't affect lane creeps.>why the fuck would they add this to the game when only 1 character can use itgood question.
>>500442185It really doesnt matter if he's meta or not if my teammates insist on doing the most dogshit build for him. It's like the people who play shiv and max out the knife and spend the entire game throwing knives from the other side of the map, completely ignoring everything that makes the character actually good
>>500386936>Buy veilwalker and fortitude >take 1300 damage in team fight>back off and spend 15 seconds hitting a veil>rejoin team fight with full health and shieldsI do this easily 10 times per match>can also turn in contested urn invisibly for free like 1 of 3 tries>can cross map very fast by hitting multiple veils if you buy improved CD anyways It's goated
>>500439717I've been getting cold front on mirage since his clear is so assAnd I'm not sure your burst fire take tracks. From my limited testing it's the highest dps 3k for like half the cast, I frequently buy it first after lane for power spike
>>500441205bitch, yamato dies to a 1200 soul item.
Question. What makes you pop up on the map for enemy team? Is it firing on someone or getting marked by a call out? And how do you go back to being hVeins? Crossing Veils?
>>500441403>>500442208i usually get 3 gun items, 2 vitality items, 2 spirit items and then hold for heroicyou need at least 8000 souls for 9 ability points (assuming you rush turrets and put one point into 2)this allows you one extra 1250 and one extra 500 until it gets fully online and i highly recommend something like attached image>>500442672the active applies for sure, but i can't be 100% sure about the passive, it feels like it does and i assume it means "player minions" as in allied minions but idk
>>500442793lmao thats fair
>>500442672The Boss has minions too, he's just not playable yet.
>>500443109Go back to being hidden*
>>500443150bro your extra health?>>500443204as does callico with the turret.
>>500443150Troopers aren't player minions. Miku's turrets are.
>>500442793>>500442185What is the meta? Just tornado spam and build spirit damage for djinns mark?Mirage is a bigger farm whore than infernus. Killing one always guarantees he drops a 1k orb of unclaimed souls
>>500443484No the meta is to ignore mark completely and build gun bruiser
I dont understand the hype on magic carpet, it seems shit why not just use leap
>>500443898you can use carpet while getting shot
>>500443898it's ironic hype because it's funny as fuck to use
>be mirage>just stat far awat and shot because xd my 3 does 500 dmg!Can anyone explain how the fuck do you beat Mirage in the laning phase?
>>500406565>base kit barely scales damage with spirit.grenade on paper has 0.5 but it also self buffs itself by a flat 6% every hit which is literally better escalating exposure for free, it scaling with duration/range upgrades in the way that it does means its now a lot harder to just walk around it so all spirit scaling matters more then the numbers actually imply, especially as you get duration increase and echo shardwall and carbine don't increase damage with spirit power and swap is only 0.7 beacuse she gets 100% lifesteal during it and again she has this scaling damage boost from grenade, she's probably not a character that wants boundless spirit unless the game is going on for an unreasonably long time but saying she doesn't benefit from spirit power is a bit of a meme
>>500442349it's just a shitter mmr thing. maybe 2 people tops will buy metal skin/return firet. in shitter mmr
>>500442906In most situations if you have Swift Striker then Intensifying, Point Blank, Sharpshooter and Headhunter usually win out.Fairly sure even Wraith with her ult (to guarantee optimal conditions) will deal more with Intensifying than Burst Fire, 2x more from limited testing.
>>500443484Seen people go gun also seen a top player go echo shard and veil
I'm not having fun anymore.
>>500443263you're right, made a mistakeshould probably prioritize extra health instead of reach or spirit>>500443383i really don't know because when i stand near minions with that item on in sandbox they seem to win more vs the other minions but maybe i'm just dumb
>>500440267Literally everything on screen here is necessary and this is cherry picked considering you have 2 ults going on at the same time with a guy with a big health bar as close to the screen as possible
do debuff stacksay a team for some reason has supressor 6 times
>>500444874The left debuffs area is a fucking mess and overlaps with each other
>thread is up for 13 hoursDeadlock died, just shut it down already.
>>500443484Getting tier 2 on Scarabs with Bullet Resist Shedder and Crippling Headshot does something like -76% bullet resist on up to 4 targets so he's pretty bad only on spirit focused comps.
>>500445169As long as im here it isn't dead no cap
>>500443150>Extra spiritIs this good when all of Mikus abilities scale poorly with spirit? Turrets only get 40% of your spirit power as damage, seems like it would be more impactful to save the 500 souls for something more impactful.
>>500445169i actually wonder if the game will get a second wind when it "releases"or if this is just how it is now
>>500445145alpha
>>500445169Lets get an inhouse started, then it'll be truly dead.
Why do groomcord stacks lie about queuing together? This is why ranked is the superior mode with solo queue
>every patch meta is still somehow worse than the last>mcginnis still abusable now with a side of vindicta and talonKeep Overwatching it up deadlock team! feels like the only way to have fun is to abuse whoever's broken next and that's not what i want to do
>>500445418>will get a second wind when it "releases"No shit, retard? The game is likely a few years away from release. You look at something like dota and there's tons of "content" to do besides just ranked and unranked matches.
>>500445328it gives you some nice regen and max hp but most importantly it increases duration of your heal station by 1.7s and radius by 0.7m so it's not negligible, it's better than nothing but maybe shouldn't upgrade it before anything else
>>500440267Left debuffs and DoT/kill popups in center of the screen need to be reworked Everything else is fine.They need to put more shit on the Tab overlay though, the debuffs could go there you're never staring at them mid fight. Player/obj damage and some kind of combat log is needed too
I'm bored finally. It's kinda lame how the winning team just spends like two minutes beating a dead horse. It's nowhere near as satisfying as destroying the ancient
I don't understand. What the fuck is going on. Why ranked so miserable now?
>>500445585I play Lash and Geist in every patch and keep having fun.
>>500445773you are tilted, stop playing NOW
>>500444442I never buy swiftstriker so maybe that's why I value it more. I do buy all that you mentioned situationally except sharpshooter, I'll just keep long range unupgraded for a long time
>>500445773unranked people not being in their actual bracket
>>500445836I don't know what that means. Either way I was done for today.
>>500445806>GeistShe gets buffed like every patch despite having always been strong so that's easy >LashYeah he's fun but they've been chipping away at his abilities and his items it's worrisome
>>500445585/v/ is across the whole buddy
>>500445594>The game is likely a few years away from releasebut if everyone got into your ebin pseudo-beta played it and already got boredwhos coming back when its "finished"
>>500445773the other team had a person that played objective damage and your entire team was deathmatching.
>>500443484>>500444442For mirage, you want surge of power on 3 first. It's a huge power spike for him and also provide that fire rate boost. You either go toxic bullet and/or pristine emblem after and then burst fire for further fire rate increase
>>500446018>Game has tons of changes>duhhh why would anyone come back???
>>500445314>Getting tier 2 on Scarabs with Bullet Resist Shedder and Crippling Headshot does something like -76% bullet resistDiminishing returns.
>>500446217every change makes more people leave already because every change makes the game worse somehow
>>500446018low IQ post
>>500442369Literally every hero in the game holds skill points to max their best early ability first you braindead mongoloid. Literally proving my point about Yamato players
>>500446217imagine for a moment you were a brainlethard to do i know you are a geniusbut perhaps someones first impression (while its unfinished and kinda shitty) ruins their perception of it despite improvementsnot that i have this problem; i like the game already
>>500446254don't exist for -resist, it's not multiplicative like +resist.
>>500446387I've stopped doing this on Lash. I should probably run the numbers and see if it's actually worth doing or not because I've just been going on feel.
>>500434251no match id didnt happen, no webm didnt happen etcetc
I want the average deadlock game to be like ten minutes shorter. It's too much of a slog now
>play MK>ult haze>she sleep daggered me before ult because why the fuck not with russian vpn + 200 ping>ult does no fucking damage at all, just stuns herthanks game, very nice
>>500446268>because every change makes the game worse somehowWrong. The only people who have the right to complain are yamatoniggers>>500446390I think if they didn't like the game initially, they might be willing to come back a few years later if they had any real interest. Obviously if you don't like it cuz it's a moba then you're never going to like it but that's just how it is. This is valve's next big thing and it's definitely gonna be popular, I have 0 doubt in my mind. The only way they could fuck it up is by actually somehow ruining every core thing that makes the game fun.
>>500446624learn to press your advantage
>>500446494If I'm stomping my lane as lash I'll save all my points for stomp except for one which I'll put into my 2 because that cooldown is really nice. If I'm struggling I'll normally just do 2-1-2-2 and go from there
I literally cannot understand this fag mikaels 90% of the time. I know he's esl but dude is constantly mumbling to himself about nonsense
>>500446797irrelevant, pajeet.
>>500446254That's not totally accurateIf an enemy has improved Bullet armor (50%) then shredding the first 50% will double your damage (+100%) while the remaining negative resist is a flat increase(+26%) for a total of +126%So the returns do diminish at 0 armor value but 26% is 26%, it's not bad by any stretch
>>500445861Try going for Swift instead of Burst in your builds, it feels like just enough and leaves 1250 extra souls.Burst with Enduring is OP right now though.You're right about Sharpshooter, I only really upgrade Long Range when the damage drop-off starts being a deciding factor. Usually when their frontline gets enough mobility to reach me easily and also after most 6k buys.
>>500447028high level games are practically over at 15 minutes
When will the devs stop being fucktards and let Ivy actual HAVE a build?>everyone played gun>Shat on her gun>everyone moved to spirit>Shat on spirit entirelyYes, I realize that Geist, Seven, ect also got hit hard by the recent spirit changes, but at least they're still useful as something other than a dedicated activateable-bot...
>>500446767>I have 0 doubt in my mindi only have a little bit of doubtreally my concern is whether this open-closed alpha thing was a mistake or noti dont know if its a good idea or a bad idea in terms of the game having a good releasebut again i dont really carei like the game a lot and will play it even if its not very populari just hope it does good is all (which it probably will)
>>500447098ultra high level games aren't.
>>500447207yeah they're over at 10
>>500447041That makes it even better, no?Since you will see things like Warp Stone that also buff Bullet Resist. It is not uncommon for tankier characters to get over 76% resistance.A situation where everyone has 0 resistance is very rare.
>>500447206It was 100% a mistake, it worked for dota because dota had a shitload of heroes to port so they didn't have to do any (gameplay) design work to pump out heroes every few patches they just had to code them.
>>500447202her gun was always trash and the kudzu build was a blight upon the game.she's fine, you're just being a baby because your character is no longer overtuned.
After 400 hours, the only big change I want is for it be 5v5, 3 lanes The game has so much going for it that I just feel like the 4 lane shit is just trying too hard to differentiate itself when it has so much other shit
>>500442369>AGAIN until she gets mystic reverb (now giga nerfed) sorry you can't slow literally the entire team anymore with an aoe the size of the midboss arena that hits through walls because someone stood in a giest puddle/kudzu that is itself gigantic for 1s but its still rly good at what it was actually meant to do (increasing the damage of big spirit nukes by 40%) instead of that gay shit so it's just as good for yamato as before>no you don't understand, that 1% less lifesteal/range makes all the difference, reverb power slash is dogshit now
>>500447581Bro, she's so bad now that the only way to make her "playable" is to not actually play her, but instead spam activateable items instead.
>>500447581>her gun was always trashit has some of the highest dps in the game, the only issue with it is that it has an extremely small mag size
>>5004476144 lanes allows macro plays to shine and means there is always something to do to get ahead instead of waiting for a teamfight.they are not simply trying to be different for the sake of being different.
>>500447938>it has the highest dps in the game if you ignore the stupendous downtime between firing windowsdowntime is included in a DPS calculation, moron. it's genuinely one of the worst guns in the game.
>>500446767>McGinnis still not meaningfully changed>sniperfags gigabuffednah game's worse than before just like how the patch before made the game worse than before and so on
>>500446740>Monigger complaining while playing the most broken toon this patch
>>500447954think you mean it makes splitpushing extremely easy and takes very little skill and a single hero can take a wave from the middle of the map to a walker and take it down in less than 30 seconds if someone doesn't show up 10-15 seconds earlier to defend
>>500447938>>500448127can't you just titanic + quicksilver reload for basically 100% uptime in the duration of a fight?
>>500448127how is downtime included in the DPS if it's per second?
>>500448471there's also the very high skill floor tech of sliding
>>500447614I want 6v6 3 lanes because solo lane is the most boring shit ever since the lane changes
>>500448127>buy 1 item>suddenly the small mag is irrelevant
>>500448460half the characters can fly or turn themselves into sonic and even the ones that can't can wall jump after ziplines to get around pretty fast, look at your fucking minimap more often
>>500445418Marketing hasn't even started yet. Valve just need an ebin trailer to get normalfags attention.
>>500448672game is too dota for normalfags to play beyond a month, see dota 2 for proof
Attention Ivy players:-You can solo-carry the urn with your ultimate-Sliding gives infinite ammo for the duration of the slide
I literally did nothing this entire match I won yellow lane against seven and by that time we were in their base
>>500446387other heroes scale harder earlier, and not every hero, a lot of them do not do thisalso, the main reason why this happens is because yamato has ONE real damaging ability, her power slash, and without upgrading it's doing at most 200 damage with itemswhich is not very much later on lane when people have 1-2 regen items and shields and resistsnot the case with other heroes that actually deal damage and their entire kit scales off the items they buy, until those 5 points her 1 stops doing jackshit later in lane
>>500448786>see dota 2 for proof>game has been alive for 10+ yearsWow!
>>500448850>russian haze steamrolling even in laneshow damage stats
>>500448896Can a game kept afloat by chinks, russians, and brs really be considered alive?
>>500448896If you consider modern dota alive I don't know what to tell you.It's basically a peruvian/russian containment zone that plays like garbage and they don't even support TI anymore.
>>500448850Was haze cheating and enemies just quit? How does one do sub 1k damage on infernus?
>>500448628other characters with good guns don't have to buy that item and can buy better damage items instead because THEIR GUNS DON'T SUCK.
I don't like the term "inting" because "feeding" and "throwing" already mean the same thing and sound better
>>500448548yeah every good ivy just slides while shooting throughout the whole of early game, og viper
>>500449264as usual it's a leaguetard.
>>500449096Idk the game was over pretty fast>>500449032
>>500448656There's definitely skill in paying attention to map and specifically the creep dots on the map but the point im making is if your team is pre-occupied with something (taking an objective, fighting urn, jhust a general team fight) if someone isn't watching the minimap as hard as possible during that 15 second window, then your objective is fucked even if it's at full health. The strength of splitpush heroes is extremely strong right now. >>500448619Yes this is a pretty huge problem too. I might make a forum account just to talk about it. They clearly didn't have a real idea of how the lanes would stack up when they came up with 6v6 4 lanes, especially when they made the map. They only did 1221 because that's what people were using in compfaggotry/it somewhat makes sense (for maximum ganking potential) but the reality is right now the map is not built for it and literally the same patch they made 1221 mandatory instead of random pairings is the same patch where they made the area between side lanes and mid lanes longer. Solo lane is paintfully boring because of how they discouraged ganks now (which is probably a reactionary change to the double soak soul exploit rather than any other concrete idea). If they keep 4 lanes, the side lanes will definitely be getting some major map changes.
>>500449381ok everyone was just a braindead retard on sapphire then
anyone else think
>>500448619how would that work the map itself feels kinda small when you consider all the movement tech people are doing and items so how would you fix that problem downsizing it to 3 lanes
>>500449428>Solo lane is le unfunIdk, maybe you could be less of a shitter or something?
>>500449097Ivy already naturally has higher dps so it evens out. You're basically complaining that because of how Ivys gun works, you have to use different items instead of copypasting the same gun build.
predictions for next patch>McGinnis still not meaningfully changed>Minor Infernus nerf to afterburn and then never touched again>More Bebop ability nerfs, and in return he gets +0.01% more gun scaling>50/50 on whether or not Vindicta and Talon stay OP>The wheel of brokenness is spun
>>500449535Think what my brother
>>500448619Solo lane is boring as shit because 9 times out of 10 the match up will force you to play safe Grey Talon or Vindicta? Never peek it forces you to play like a passive bitch denying orbs and when you have enough items to actually do something then you can actually push
>>500449264I don't like 'inting' because its a retarded nonsense word that means nothing. "intentionally feeding" to grief shortened to "any time someone messes up" because mobaniggers are insane egotists that assume everyone but them is trying to make them lose on purpose as if chokes cant happen in a genre that mobaniggers love to talk about how complex and demanding it is to play properly with matches that take the length of a tv episode to play out
>>500449695Lmao you forgot the Abrams nerf
>>500449595Solo laning against Vindicta, Talon, Geist or McGinnis is genuinely the worst shit ever regardless of skill level
>>500449695I love this dev team's way of thinking >nerf unrelated hero that almost no one is complaining about>those annoying fuckers? Yeah dont nerf em actually buff em!
>>500449695>lash slapped on the wrist>urn changes>map changes>teleport changes>shiv buffed>infernus buffed>some random buff to a hero that's already strong that pushes it way over the edge like warden>yamato nerfed for zero fucking reason>no new herothere, that's your patch, saved you 5 minutes of reading the patch notes
>>500449595I'm talking about the map design of the lanes itself, not the raw gameplay of playing 1v1. Like I said, the lanes are extremely large especially compared to mid lane, with a lot of open space, with a long walk to mid lane (which discourages ganking) and the lanes are also really one sided. >One solo lane has a lot more cover, shop is closer, there's a rooftop you can quickly get to and safely last hit every creep from, and there's a church with 5 creeps that can give you a bigger early boost than every other lane>The other lane is extremely big, wide, has a bad rooftop to last hit from and has....nothing else going on. The most easily diveable tower in the game
>>500450003Miku has to be Ghostfraud's favorite character to be allowed to remain in her state for so long and not only get no nerfs to her problematic aspects but get them buffed, meanwhile other characters not as stupid as her get full kit nerfs or unnecessary nerfs in general
>>500449912Geist solo ain't so bad, she's stronger in duo lanes.I genuinely prefer laning against mcginnis than fucking mo n krill, he's genuinely unkillable and can nuke and destroy anyone with ult while completely cucking your ability to damage him with pocket sandretarded fucking design
https://old.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1gfmsfr/someone_made_deadlock_vs_dota_crossover_game_mod/>fan project made in a month looks more fun than the slop valve is makingwhere did it all go wrong
>>500450784that looks like garbage, let's not kid ourselvesit's good for one youtube clickbait video
>>500450784did your thread not do well on /v/ so you felt the need to come here?
>>500450936yeah but the concept seems more fun than this garbage 3ps and item systemit's rough but would probabably play better eventually. I dont know who this game appeals to. The game is too imbalanced and farmy for shooter players, the game is too mechanically intensive for moba players. Laning has no impact on the game 90% of the time and exists because they need laning in a moba but because it's a shooter they cant make it punishing due to innate gun differences
>>500440267Hero portraits are way too huge honestly
>>500451171>I dont know who this game appeals tookay then who does that shit you posted appeal to
>>500440267I just noticed that there are 3 fucking rejuvenator icons
it would be interesting to try and have a mode where you cant see anyone's health bars
>>500451353where's the 3rd?
Why can't I test the new heroes against bots? Seems pretty stupid that the only way to test them in a match is only open 2 hours a day. Or is there a way i'm not aware of?
>>500451643>infernus wins for free even more than usualyeah no thanks
>>500451776the ones under the hero portraits at the topthe one at the top left of your health barand then there's one at the bottom of your character model's feet for some reason lol
>>500440267>ult on Qgenuinely baffling
>>500451870you can test them with console command "selecthero hero_slork" for example
>>500451893The one at the feet has nothing to do with rejuv. Anyways, both are necessary but if they were to do things properly, they would/should put the rejuv timer somewhere at the top that everyone can see.
>>500452140Yeah i'm aware, but I want to test them in a "real" match even if it's against CPU
>>500452176>>500452176>the one at the feet has nothing to do with rejuvit is literally a green circle with a rejuvenator crystal in it that appears at your feet only when you have rejuv buffwhat did he mean by this?
How do you build grey talon nowadays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFJDkvfgGj4discuss
>>500453086>overnerf a character that was really good, but give it compensatory buffs to make up for it>people bitch about it anyways because it's less fun now>next patch, revert the nerfs but not the buffs>hero ends up brokenwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow WHO could've seen THIS one comingand no i didn't even open the video
how do you play MK into adams, seems like autolosscant hurt the guy and shouldercharge is basically unavoidable
>>500432759I buy knockdown every fucking game dude you have no idea they just fucking DODGE INTO COVER BEFORE THE 2S IS UP. THEY BUFFED THE FUCK OUT OF IT. IT'S RIDICULOUS.
>lane partner blames me for dying to a MnK burrowing at him when he's jungling with 200 HP>actually try to help but die myself>throws away a won fight later because I "didn't help him either">goes to another lane, dies, blames the closest player and announces he's gonna afk farm>French Haze player
>>500432759you're genuinely retarded
>>500434896Yeah I love healing on Ivy.
>>500453086kill yourself, shill
>>500453439a couple days ago someone told me it was a skill issue if talon gets to a roof before knockdown procs on him and you need to use it when hes not near a rooftop to retreat tothen later that day i put knockdown on talon who is flying above the mid lane bridges and he promptly airdashes away 5 times with superior stamina and gets knocked onto a roof
>bullet dance a bunch of them didnt really kill them but they're all REALLY fucking low>team mates just walk away instead of pushing and they all bum methis game is fucking dogshit the people are shit and the game design is shit
>>500453652just buy: invis, curse, slowing hex and knock down, then pop all of them instantly on Talon. THEN he won't be able to escape
What do you think is the better item to get on Mirage after Ricochet, Siphon Bullets or Inhibitor?Both seem like they work really well on him, so I'm really not sure which to get.
>>500453356Wait for him to dive your team then just ult him
>>500432759retarded nigger kys
>>500454137I don't get ricochet on mirage but Siphon is better earlier cause it's flat hp and stacks
>>500454330he has 3 second BKB after ult
>>500454137Absolutely Inhibitor. Ricochet Inhibitor is OP as shit. Siphon Bullets can only proc every 0.8s anyways so there's no synergy.
>>500454632Ricochet just feels so good to me on him because it helps you clear out waves so much faster and it spreads around stacks to the entire enemy team in a team fight. It helps him split push a lot easier and do a lot more damage in team fights.
This game was 10x fun when every lobby wasnt people playing the newest FOTM broken fucking hero
>>500432759*debuff removes u*what now retard
>>500453086He barely gives any opinion on these honestly.
>>500454804I think it's a noob trap, takes to long too farm and I've never seen a ricochet apply more than x4 to a team, takes too long to stack, they won't be grouped for 10s
>>500453474classic dota player mentalityIM MAD SO ILL MAKE OTHERS MAD
>>500454913i've played since july and it's always been a FOTM hero that's retard OP. When I played seven could wipe your whole team in 3 seconds with majestic leap ult it was crazy. And the counter items like knockdown had a range of 25-30m too so you couldnt even stun him out of it lol
NO MATTER WHAT I DO IN THE GAME I AM ALWAYS 20K SOULS BEHIND LITERALLY THE OTHER 11 PLAYERSI feel like I am farming okay, then I check the souls and I am just falling further behind.
>>500455419go watch some of your replays on 2x/3x speed and just take note of every time you walk around doing nothing. If it happens a bunch when there's farm on the map to be had then there's your problem. If not then your teammates are soul vacuums and it's their fault.
>learn that supporting in this game to win actually doesn't matter since the game only cares about souls, damage, and objective damage>wins don't actually matter, or matters so little that playing the bitch role to ensure a win nets you almost no MMR and you are simply giving the MMR to your AFK PvE teammatesIt's gun Ivy and gun Dynamo from here on out.
>>500454804It's a trap because it severely weaken his 1v1, making his split push worse. The most important quality of a good split pusher is ability to win 1v1 and ability to easily escape, not wave clearing
>>500455809took you that long to figure out? this is NOT a supportsissy game
>>500454137Blow your brain out for playing this sandnigger trash character
>>500455419if you see 3 people fighting 2 people you're probably not needed so stop going there and trying to kill people because it will get you no money always be doing something no waves? farm jungle waves? farm waves and break those boxes
>>500455809there is no evidence that the game is using anything but W/L to determine rank
>>500454137don't let anyone know this, the sekrit super bonken mirage T4 is actually spiritual overflow
>Match Average Rank jumps between Phantom and Eternus
>>500454632>>500455116>>500455901How are you guys farming on Mirage?I dropped him specifically because he felt like garbage to farm with before I got Ricochet but I don't like rushing 6k items.
Hero with HUGE FAT FUCKING TITS when?
>>500456014i believe it is cause i win so much but never rank up. or my normal mmr was just really low
>>500456339cold front
>>500456079It's not a sekrit. Spirit overflow is godlike on any hybrid build gunner and mirage is one of them. Hybrid build gunners are currently all strong and meta, wraith, mirage, talon, and vindicta.
>>500456443never seen anyone else buy it so it's sekrit to me
>>500456014>there is no evidence that the game is using anything but W/L to determine rankdumb faggot>Every Tuesday at 8PM GMT we will run an algorithm that calculates everyone's performance together at the same time based on the games you've played, how the opponents you played against ended up faring in subsequent games, etc. As such, medals will only be updated once per week, to allow for analysis of a wide set of match data together at once for a more accurate review of your skill (rather than a fixed numerical addition/subtraction on a per game basis).What did they mean by this?
>>500456403Shit. That makes perfect sense.Going to whip up a new Mirage build tonight and give it a shot.
>>500456363just buff Vindicta
>>500456694They meant that they take into account not just your W/L but also the W/L of the people you play against.Nowhere does it say they're looking at your souls farmed or K/D ratio. That's an utterly retarded way to calculate MMR.
>>500456403I already pick up return fire and knockdown on Mirage and I'm too smoothbrained to have more than 2 active items.
>>500456897>knockdown>tornado>cold front it's just another part of the combo.
Remember when Vindictatrannies cried that she was low tier
>>500456339Just chuck scarab and shoot at minions, applying 3 proc evenly manually pop to optimize clear time. He doesn't have amazing clear but it is good enough. If your team is good, there aren't really that many jungle farms lying around for fast clear speed to matter. Mirage also doesn't need to hide in jungle like some other carries. He can just hold/split push a lane and be strong throughout the game without needing huge amount of soul.
>>500457015>hero was low tier(actually according to most pros she was worst hero in the game) until she was buffedWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
>>500457015this nigga doesn't know what a buff is
>>500457015She was actually garbo for like 1-2 previous patches. Previous patch, her gun had one of the worst dps in the entire game. In the patch before that, her gun had fucking shotgun range
>>500456840>we need to run a special algorithm once a week to determine W/L ratiosthat's why they say performance not results, retard.>That's an utterly retarded way to calculate MMRmakes it fitting for the most dogshit ranked system ever created.
>>500392747that might've been me loli play a ton of melee shiv and was playing when you posted this
dead thread dead game
>>500457308There has never been a point in this game where she wasn't overpowered. You just got memed into downplaying her despite the fact that any gun character that can fly is going to inherently be unfair as long as they have a team to protect them.
anyone else just want to give up when they see mcginnis as your lane opponent
>>500458350So you are just retard and wrong then
>>500458308Holy shit, it's over.
>I'm archon 2>friend is oracle 3>we get wide skill range warning when playing togetherIs the gap really THAT big...
>>500458724I'm archon 5 and my friend is oracle 4 and we don't get that.
>>500458724I guess so, since if you play solo, the lowest you should see is archon 5.
>>500458476idk what the FUCK they're doing with mcginnisshe's literally just heimerdinger now but without the turret cap
>>500458481he's right. you're retarded. even for a high dps ranged character who has to sit on the ground, like wraith, it's a huge feat to take her out during a teamfight without all of her team getting in the way. when you throw flight on top of that, fucking forget about it.
how well this deadlock run on linux?
>>500460213>>500460213>>500460213New
Deadlock needs an item that magnetizes a target enemy and makes nearby bullets home in on them.
>>500459804it works very well for me, but for others I know it doesn't work at all
>>500460369That's actually pretty cool. Please put that in the forums