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An aqua is fine too.
>>501541879Cute
Is Xehanort right? Does Vanitas know where the other Darknesses are at and he's just playing dumb?
>>501539753>Young Xehanort literally had to play with a bunch of blocks to set up the boss arena there and a Quadratum 109 building is thereDamn I forgot about this YX was OBSESSED
>>501543704Yeah it's obvious Young Xehanort played Verum Rex on PlayPlus. Which means he knows about Yozora, Magia, Aegis and Nameless Star. And if Luxord is Yozora's driver and is also in that game, then perhaps Young Xehanort went to ask Luxord some questions...
it's been shown in past games that the organization would interact with the world they're visiting closely in order to understand how it works better and further their plans. so young xehanort playing a video game isn't too out there.
>>501542983Of course he does. He's just doing what Xigbar did to Luxord. Try to pretend to be dumb. Now I imagine both Xigbar and Vanitas having some secret meeting in KH3 where they're both suspicious of their true identities but choose not to pry too hard and that they'll just let fate decide who wins this chess game.
>>501542482Yeah I don't see how an amnesiac Xehanort could've built the ark from fragmented memories he must've discovered blueprints or something after he got to Radiant Garden. Maybe Braig/Luxu had a hand in it. But there does seem to be a connection between these researcher looking types in Missing Link Scala and Ansem the Wise.
>>501545021i kinda figured the moment xigbar babbled to the organization about the black box, vanitas probably immediately suspected xigbar was luxu.
>>501541318A lot of it comes from Final Fantasy too. The Gigas and Bahamut do. So does Lich being one of the Four Fiends. Behind Ansem SoD Lich might be the most interesting Heartless.
https://youtu.be/WchZ9Ok-gCkthe keyblade masters are cooked
>>501545163I think if they can they'll avoid it like the plague in numbered games now they know what to expect, they could revisit Frozen on mobile where it's mostly just recycling KH3 Arendelle assets and story beats though. I don't think they've ever been forced to include a whole world by Disney, there was just that weird Chicken Little synergy in 2. Disney inviting Square to an early screening of Frozen might've been some subtle coercion and Nomura was just being polite when he said he was enthusiastic about including it. But I think Frozen lends itself well to themes of Kingdom Hearts so I can see Nomura coming away from it and wanting to put it in there, not realizing how much of a pain in the ass the Frozen team would be to work with.
>>501469118Simple Sora just goes to a world based on one of their adventures (maybe comic world would be better) and one without donald and they gloss over Duckberg. That way it just would be Scrooge and the a Newphews travelling to a new world.
>>501556063Speculation but it feels like they told Nomura about the originals plans about how Elsa was the villian and then he was going to make her fall to Darkness and a foil for Larxene. Imagine Larxene being her Palpatine or some shit.
>>501556321IIRC the story for Frozen was getting screwed around with until pretty late in production but I don't know if Nomura would've been told about it that early on. Unless there's some early cut screened where Elsa's more villainous. desu Frozen would've worked better if Riku was involved in some way. He could've related to Elsa more.
>>501545021Pretty much the entire group was sneaking around Xehanort's back trying to scheme. I want to see the full conversation Xemnas had with Larxene and Marluxia. Xemnas admitted to being lonely at the end to Sora, I wonder if he was actually trying to be nice with the betrayers.
>>501545549I wonder if Aqua will have more PTSD moments. I'm also really curious about how Terra is doing mentally. They both seemed happy and eager to search for Sora but surely those wounds can't be fully healed yet.
Namine vs Maleficent witch battle when?
>>501558778Well they ended up being more loyal than the likes of Axel and Vexen so might as well.
>>501556321Larxene trolling Elsa while she's having her breakdown would have been perfect. Elsa's ice powers are already insane, combine that with dark powers and we would have had a rememberable boss battle. If only...
>>501558176yeah, they have designs of Elsa's final design but dresses as the Ice Queen she was meant to be. its all because they heard the waltz of Let it Go (when the music people delivered it) that they decided to suddenly shift the story into what it is today.
Really enjoyed the Tron discussion last thread. I shall rewatch Uprising and dread Ares.
>>501571821Based. Tron is kino.
How's your series replay going anons?
>>501558176I agree that Riku would have made those interactions more interesting. He'd click with Elsa perfectly. Could Aqua relate with Elsa? Aqua doesn't cast Dark Fiagra but she'd know all about darkness and self-doubt now. But maybe this isn't a perfect fit, I don't know. Riku shoved his friends away in KH1, Elsa did that with her sister. Aqua was ever desperate to be with her friends even if she was clumsy with her words when interacting with Terra, it's not really the same, but maybe Aqua would still be helpful in emotionally reaching Elsa?
Which OC villain will be involved with the Endor world?
Aqua would look good in a bikini like Tifa's in rebirth...
So where did Xigbar/Luxu and the Foretellers stay for the past year?
>>501541879Soon
>>501589980DEMYX TIME
>>501589980Urges? Doesn't sound very Nobody of you
>>501596991He was just pretending. Nobodies having hearts is a retcon.
Darkness
>>501560842>I wanted to make FFVII a story about beating women but they didn't let me
>>501582892Quadratum or Scala ad Caelum? If Scala is as barren as it was in Dark Road that's a good place to hide out. Until Mickey goes there.
>>501574369I thought it'd be cool if they had Luxu interacting with Vader because they're both apprentices to powerful figures and traitors, or Luxu is said to be somehow. Then throw Maleficent into the mix trying to cozy up to the Emperor. So you kind of have a conflict between the two villain factions playing out through the Star Wars world.
bring back disco balls of darkness
>>501628030Pretty sure Luxu is just twisting MoMs orders to suit himself thus making him a traitor to the Foretellers. But because MoM is aware of all of this Luxu is really just playing right into his hand. The MoM is just using Luxu as a wildcard against Darkness.
It's funny how the JP version of Xehanort Vanitas' conversation in DR had Vanitas look like more of an idiot who fumbled with trying to keep a secret. Xehanort mentioned how the Darknesses were once a whole and inquired if Vanitas might know where they went and Vanitas goes "I'm now an individual" with Xehanort catching his wording and responding with "that was once part of the whole?" which had Vanitas choose to be silent. SENA made Vanitas way more subtle with his response of "I'm my own person".Just find it funny how the JP version made it more obvious that Vanitas is full of shit and sucks at covering his tracks.
>>501633889>vanitas basically admitted to being one of the 13 darknesses by accident after getting tricked by xehanort's baitlmaooo i love this old geezer.
>>501632102They're in Ansem's DM in ReMindAnd I think they appear as particles at the end of Second Form's Magnet Burst
I was hoping to see Keyblade growth in 3, like Terra's End of Earth...
>>501628030I wouldnt consider myself a star wars fan but I loved the original trilogy as a kid (and episode 1) and rewatched awhile back as an adult. But its so iconic whatever happens Im going to fucking basedjak. Im also happy for the old Square employees who kept adding biggs and wedge to old ff games.
>>501632442MoM is doing something similar though he isn't he? Working around established future events he sees with the Gazing Eye and using that to his advantage, bending the rules. So in a way Luxu is taking after his master which he seems to have anticipated thus fulfilling his predestined role as the traitor. He knew that Luxu wouldn't just stand by and observe. Did he even open the Black Box at some point because MoM told him not? It applies to the Foretellers too. He told each of them the things they needed hear in order for his plan to bait Darkness to work.Official and unofficial translations of the lost page allude to the traitor's misunderstanding>"Unable to permit disharmony, you will be disappointed by fate, and lose sight of true strength... Misreading the truth, you will venture forth in secrecy...">"Imbalance observed, strength misplaced, a future filled with sorrow. Words of truth misunderstood as they explore the secret of tomorrow. With a single strike, toll the bells and herald the end, bringing war upon us, as fate did intend."If Luxu is supposed to be the anti-MoM I wonder whether he'll just play into his hands or if the student will surpass the master. And then you throw Xehanort into the equation and how he might've been playing 4D chess with Luxu and it gets even crazier. Because there is that theory that a part of Xehanort knew he might fail to break the cycle and his "14th life" if that doesn't manifest as another actual Xehanort could mean he's talking about a successor that can continue his work like Sora and/or Riku who are basically are in a fucked up way, he's trained them up and strengthened them. Xehanort had plans within plans.
Convince me that unreality isn't just data worlds
>>501639943it's not in computers and you can't get there with technology (as far as we know)
I haven't been here in a while, any news?
has the team that made KH2 made any other games? even if they aren't KH.that game is just too perfect i want more from them
>>501639943>MoM: A world of fiction.>Darkness: Fiction? Not the data world?>MoM: Nope. If you imagine hard enough, you can make anything a reality. Like I said, a world I can't even conceive.Yozora's abilities look data related though with the red cubes.
>>501641456nothing
>>501640191>you can't get there with technologyCan't you get there through the ark?
>>501633889He admits he's much older than Ventus thinks in Remind so he either knew or was in the process of figuring it out after he was extracted by Xehanort. Who knows if he literally remembers everything. If he did wouldn't he clock Braig as Luxu? Darkness have psychic powers and shit. Maybe he's limited in physical form. But his motive to take control of Ventus makes sense when you think back to what Luxu said about Darkness losing their bodies and wills. Vanitas is kind of like a remnant of a Darkness in a temporary tangible form trying to fully resurrect itself but he fails and ends up disembodied back inside Ventus' heart. When we see him next idk if he'll be more like the UX Darkness or if circumstances will lead to him being extracted into his Vanitas form again.
>>501642674>the incident is still being memedThere is a silver lining, at least.
random ramblings but i love how well ansem/diz was written at the beginning of kh2/some of com. you can just feel he's holding back something in his scenes. sucks he kinda fell off later on, i wonder if he had a different role in early stages of development of the games.
>>501646724DiZ was underused. I wish he had more of a chance to be an antagonist before turning good, like after Castle Oblivion he goes off the deep end and fights Riku for control over Roxas/Sora before coming around later on. Disappointing we don't get a boss fight with him. If he had a bigger role originally it could've been diminished by Maleficent and Pete being involved in 2 as well as the Organization. It's a lot of villains to juggle. Even Organization XIII being split between two games feels like it was a compromise because they couldn't cram that many bosses into vanilla 2 or it was too much for the story.
>>501648646>Disappointing we don't get a boss fight with him.Oh yeah, it totally slipped my mind had just had the power of darkness. He honestly should've stayed an evil bastard who got stuck with a bad ending but i guess BBS had to happen....
>>501574168Post-KH3 Terra would click with Elsa too. Eraqus was literally telling him to bury the darkness deep down it's very similar to what Elsa was having to do with her powers.
>>501642725depends on the white dandelion/strelitzia business
>>501646724The set up with him in CoM and the start of KH2 was so strong. But Sora didn't really have a confrontation with him, this subplot fizzled away and ended so strangely. He pulled that weird gun out of his ass and turned some of Xemnas' artificial Kingdom Hearts into data got blasted to the realm of darkness. Huh?Even the scene with Riku and Data Ansem didn't really go anywhere or seem important. Ansem is presented to be important but rarely is.
>>501644654I think Vanitas knows everything but was obviously trying to not spill the beans but Xehanort had him spill it out a bit anyways. Vanitas told Ventus a bit of the truth in KH3RM but didn't tell him everything. >wouldn't he clock Braig as Luxu?He probably started suspecting he was Luxu when Xigbar started yapping out about a black box. Vanitas admitted to reading the BoP when the MoM was writing it but only the parts relevant to Darkness. Maybe another Darkness could have told him about Luxu's role and that's how he would come to know about the black box.
>>501649124That is a perfect combination. And I see Ventus getting along with Anna, he'd know how annoying it is having older siblings try to push you away even if they think it's for your own good. And Ven's friendly personality would just click well with Anna, I bet they'd have fun together. BBS trio would be perfect for an Arendale visit.
>>501648969>>501649353Getting to fight him as Roxas or Sora and beating him leading to him reconsidering his decisions and redemption would've been better, it's just the way he disappears from the plot after the prologue. They could've justified his change in character but they completely glossed over it. It's just "as soon as Sora was on the board my plans fell apart so I gave up I guess" which is weak for a guy that was supposed to be so driven by vengeance. In the light novel it's witnessing Sora and Tron take back control from the MCP and befriend each other that starts to turn him. There's something about Sora that erodes his bitterness and cynicism leading to his whole speech about him to Aqua in the RoD.
>Replay KH2>Remember how hard Namine got cucked out that ending only to settle for the sidegrade known as Riku.
>>501648969Let's say that explosion just killed him instead of sending him to the realm of darkness. Would the other games change very much? It wouldn't be hard to write some other reason for Aqua to fall to darkness instead of trying to save him. Ienzo seems to be the brain behind Radiant Garden now so I wonder if Ansem is really needed.
>>501650758>things that never happened
>>501649358Vanitas being the one that told Maleficent about the box would line up with Luxord's theory. All we know is a guy in black told them about it.
>>501652083Vanitas is the only other person to know about the black box's existence even if he doesn't know what's inside it. He also would have been active during that time as an Org member and I don't think Xigbar/Luxu would be stupid enough to tell Maleficent about the box. So I'm assuming the moment Xigbar told the Org about the box, Vanitas might have suspected Xigbar's true identity is Luxu and then chose to mess with him by telling others about the box like Maleficent and Pete. Maleficent already has history with Darkness so Vanitas might think she's the best person to trip Luxu up.
>>501652563>I don't think Xigbar/Luxu would be stupid enough to tell Maleficent about the boxUnless he's playing some 4D chess where he needed them to search for it for some reason but the Vanitas thing just sounds more logical to me. Darkness/Vanitas has a connection to Maleficent already and knowledge of the box and the book. I remember Nomura saying in an interview he planned to show why Maleficent believes the Black Box contains the Book of Prophecies in Union Cross but then he never did. Maybe he forgot to include a line where Darkness mentioned that to her?
>>501652083why did xigbar even bring up the box to begin with
>>501653602>Unless he's playing some 4D chess where he needed them to search for it for some reasonWould make him look like a retard tbqh.>the Vanitas thing just sounds more logical to me. Darkness/Vanitas has a connection to Maleficent already and knowledge of the box and the book.That indeed makes more sense. If Xigbar talked about the box, then Vanitas would understand what box he's talking about and who "Xigbar" is.>remember Nomura saying in an interview he planned to show why Maleficent believes the Black Box contains the Book of Prophecies in Union Cross but then he never did. Maybe he forgot to include a line where Darkness mentioned that to her?Yeah he did say that but seems it got scrapped or it wasn't implemented like he planned. Also I'm thinking this "dingbat in black" could also just be referring to Hades as he was the one who sent them there to look for a box.
>>501653702Because he's an idiot.
>>501653702If Xigbar was smart he'd search for it on his own in secret. But he trusts Luxord with the task when he knows nothing about his history. And Luxord goes to Xemnas about it anyway. Makes him look incompetent.>>501654331>Also I'm thinking this "dingbat in black" could also just be referring to HadesWouldn't Pete just say Hades then? I guess it's plausible because Vanitas knowing a box is buried in Olympus is kind of weird unless he pays real good attention to local legends.
>>501654331>Also I'm thinking this "dingbat in black" could also just be referring to Hades as he was the one who sent them there to look for a box.Actually the JP version had Pete say that it was a person wearing a black coat so it couldn't be Hades. So the only two people this could match would be Vanitas and the Master of Masters since both know about the black box and both wear black coats. I have a heard time believing Xigbar/Luxu told Maleficent and Pete about the box.
>>501655109>But he trusts Luxord with the task when he knows nothing about his historybut going by what larxene said, xigbar told everyone else in the organization about the box from the looks of it.
Another thing that's impressive about Apprentice Xehanort building the ark is that he didn't just recreate it he perfected it. The one in Daybreak Town was unfinished and couldn't protect people's bodies from melting away. It's function as a time machine was more a bug than a feature. MoM intended that I bet but still. Xehanort's successfully sent Kairi to another world safely. He did say there was a chance she'd end up in unreality though so he wasn't 100% confident.
>>501655109>>501655327Ok I can concede on this. Didn't know the JP text had Pete literally say it was a black coated person. So it being Vanitas is looking really possible unless it was the MoM somehow(which would make no sense).
>>501655670Oh yeah I forgot about Larxene's line. That makes it even worse. I guess he banked on nobody asking Xemnas because he's famously pretty reclusive and doesn't interact with the other members outside of Saix and himself really.
>>501655760Yeah it's clear Xehanort was a genius. Imagine if he existed during the age of fairytales.
>>501655929that just makes xigbar look hilariously stupid. even roxas had no problem talking to xemnas alone back in the day.
>>501655760Imagine if Kairi didn't have Aqua's charm and that off-chance sent her to Quadratum. Really wonder how she would have fared.
He did have plenty of time to talk to Maleficent and Pete about the Black Box in the beginning of KH3. Not like he was doing anything of value for the Organization while he was in Monstropolis.
>>501655960idk if Missing Link will get into this but maybe those white lab coat people split off from keyblade societies who're more like a religious order and they're about science and seeking knowledge leading to the founding of Radiant Garden. So when Xehanort became an apprentice that was like his first exposure to heart science or whatever they call it and he was a genius like no one had ever been because he comes from both worlds of religiousy keyblade master side of it and now he's been to the scientific side.
>>501656740That's possible. There might be a connection between the two so Xehanort might just be a product of it.
>>501656103He must've known they wouldn't give that much of a fuck because the norts are so focused on the keyblade war. I feel pretty confident saying Xehanort knows Xigbar isn't what he seems but doesn't really care as long as he doesn't get in the way of his plans for Kingdom Hearts. Does he know that he's Bragi and a lost master? Maybe that's going too far. But you never know.
>>501656737Wasn't Vanitas around for a while during DDD too? He showed up to the meeting at TWTNW. He could've told Maleficent after her failed attempt at getting the datascape at Disney Castle.
>>501642052Versus XIII
>>501655327>Vanitas and the Master of MastersMoM is another candidate now we've seen he didn't just completely vanish from the world after the Age of Fairytales. He comes back to talk with Young Xehanort. He could've poked Maleficent into searching for it so to get Luxu looking. Maybe he's more active than we realize.This isn't game canon but in Demyx's short story he quotes "may your heart be your guiding key" from "that guy". It it was Xigbar why would he not say and if Xigbar was saying that all the time it'd be really suspicious. So it's someone Demyx knew in his old life? And then I thought maybe MoM has talked to him and other members X-XII when they were humans like he appeared to Young Xehanort randomly to give advice.
>>501657080wouldn't be surprised xehanort knew more about xigbar's secrets than xigbar thinks but as you said, he's only focused on thr keyblade war, x-blade and kingdom hearts. whatever xigbar is hiding is of no relevance to him unless it interferes with his plans.
>>501657581Idk if we can use DDD because he was formless when he was with YX in Las Cite de Cloches and might have just barely gotten a working replica in time for welcoming MX back and greeting Sora as their 13th. Of course I have no way to prove it so I won't push it. If Xigbar babbled about the box as early as DDD off screen, then Vanitas could have told Maleficent about it around then.
>>501658614>MoM is another candidate now we've seen he didn't just completely vanish from the world after the Age of Fairytales. He comes back to talk with Young Xehanort. He could've poked Maleficent into searching for it so to get Luxu looking. Maybe he's more active than we realize.But then having Luxu run his mouth about the box to the Org would put him at risk at having his identity being exposed. So it makes him and MoM look like idiots.
How come Riku never got his Nobody? He gave his heart to Darkness and everything.
>>501660949He got possessed by ansem sod but didn't truly become a heartless.
>>501659913Maybe he didn't anticipate Luxu running his mouth or he can just see the future so he knows that it's not a problem. MoM wanting people to know about the box feels in character to me at least. If it's meant to be this intentionally mysterious macguffin that distracts his enemies. But I'm more in favor of Vanitas telling her about the box. I don't think that means he believes the book is in the box though he could be telling Maleficent what she wants to hear. But that all depends on whether Vanitas knows what the other Darkness knows about the Book of Prophecies, like MoM telling them the book doesn't record everything he sees anyway. Plus they watched while it was being written so Vanitas wouldn't need it if he does know. But I forget the timeline for that, Vanitas might've had his connection to the hive mind severed when Ventus became pure light to defeat him meaning he might not know what MoM told that Darkness on the hilltop.
Do you think at least Brain's Chirithy will appear in Missing Link? I can't imagine Nomura giving up on them since it was also in KH3.
>>501659590Barely any time passes between the end of DDD and the start of KH3. The org might've already been using the Keyblade Graveyard as a field base during DDD before they arrived at TWTNW. I don't know if they were still using the castle off screen in 3, Vexen was finishing up his replica research somewhere.
>>501661579Depends on how exactly he got to Scala I guess, like ours is probably deadBut that does remind me that Lauriam and Elrena's should be around somewhere
>>501660949Riku never became a heartless. His equivalent to Roxas is just the Riku Replica, which is just Riku's Dark Mode. A reminder of how Riku gave into the darkness.
>>501660949Riku Replica is the closest thing he has to a nobody. And maybe Yozora will fulfill a similar role in the story. I'm into the idea of Yozora being what Riku would've become if he hadn't lost his heart to darkness in kh1. So he's cockier and not not humbled but still has that social awkwardness like Noctis and Riku showed that in DDD with Shiki too.
>>501661392Well we know Vanitas did peek into the BoP while the MoM was writing it so he is aware of things but admits he was only mostly interested in the things related to Darkness. So things like the black box are things Vanitas and the other Darknesses know about but probably didn't put too much attention on it. So moment Xigbar started talking about the black box to the Organization, Vanitas probably remembered that stuff and who Xigbar is since I believe the Darknesses(or atleast the one who helped Maleficent and fought Luxu) were made known the missions for each of MoM's apprentices. Whether Vanitas was relayed this information is unknown but given he knew about the Dandelions stuff and used it to plant Ventus among them by offing Strelitzia and impersonating Ava, I think he knows. With all that in mind, Vanitas knowing Xigbar's identity could then have him try to maybe get the box flushed out by having others outside the Org begin looking for it. Best person Vanitas could trust for such a task is Maleficent given his history with her.
>>501662841That idea is pretty weak because Yozora's current appearance isn't even his real one.
>>501662112I like to think they atleast kept the castle for research and sleeping purposes. I mean they have multiple rooms and such there. Am I supposed to believe Xehanort made them all sleep out in the barren wastelands?>Barely any time passes between the end of DDD and the start of KH3.Atleast a few days at most. The scene we get with Xehanort, Xigbar and Saix in KH3RM was right after DDD which could have been like a day or so afterwards.
>>501663251Appearance aside based on his personality. And Riku had his appearance altered in 2 as well. Maybe there's some mirrors to his and Ansem's relationship, whoever switched with Yozora.
>>501663892Yozora's situation is kinda more like Terra's where his body was taken by someone else and his heart went elsewhere. Though Yozora's heart wound up in a new body and got a new look like how Riku's appearance changed.
>>501656737Is mass effect actually retroactively stealing from Kingdom Hearts BBS?One should ask Gamble if he is aware of Vanitas.
>>501662592Oh wow I didn’t think about that. I wonder if Elrena would troll hers.
>>501670090how are they stealing?
>>501672143New n7 main design has the Vanitas helmet lol
>>501672404vanitas' helmet isn't exactly unique in design.
>>501672596Give me earlier examples. Don't say something like Tron or blade runner or stuff like that.
little whore
>>501673589Tron and Blade Runner.
Kill all Nobodies with a capital N.
>>501673859If Namine met Ventus and Vanitas, how would she react to them?
>>501673859She's spent her existence forced into servitude or conjoined with someone else. Now that she's free she's going to be a wild party girl to make up for all the lost time and all the stress she went through. She'll milk every cock she can get her hands on. It kind of bothers me that Namine's had the same dress since 2004. Is it time for her to get new clothes? Or is the white dress iconic at this point and shouldn't be changed?
>>501674874Probably a bit perturbed at how he looks like Roxas but Namine would be quick friends with Ventus. She was aware of him before the others, she'd probably be interested in finally getting to know him. With Vanitas she might try to show him kindness like she did Riku Replica, which would end badly for her. And seeing Sora's face doing evil things would truly disturb her since she's the biggest Sora fangirl.
>>501674993Dirty whore. Probably riding the cock carousel in Twilight Town.
>>501675450Very realistic. She'd definitely be friends with Ventus given she's friends with Terra while with Vanitas, her attempt at kindness would resort in disaster for her.
>>501664913I don't think they specify what the situation is with Yozora. It could be like Terra-Xehanort where he's known to his comrades by his true name but he knows that's not his original body. That leaves the mystery of who's body that was before Yozora's heart came to inhabit it. This explanation does line up better with the rules of possession established in the series because Dylan Sprouse is voicing Yozora and not some other guy (unless Nomura pulls the rug out from under us) like how Terra-Xehanort isn't voiced by Jason Dohring and Ansem SoD isn't voiced by David Gallagher. But it is a different reality so maybe the rules are different over there. But if it's an Ansem situation then it's more accurate to say it's KH2 Riku-Ansem because Yozora appears to be in control and not possessed but whoever's taken up residence in his heart has altered his appearance. And according to Nameless Star he doesn't remember either so he'd have to have something wrong with his memories too in this scenario. I don't think Riku-Ansem had any psychological issues in 2?
>>501676000>I don't think they specify what the situation is with Yozora. They were very specific about his situation. His body got stolen like Nameless Star's as she said and Yozora told Sora his current appearance isn't what he really looks like. Not really hard to put two and two together
>>501676000>And according to Nameless Star he doesn't remember either so he'd have to have something wrong with his memories too in this scenario.you're forgetting that the nameless star doesn't know what became of yozora's heart.
>>501663546I think they just didn't bother including it in 3 because it would've taken time creating assets they didn't need outside of maybe two cutscenes. All of the relevant action takes place in the graveyard. Sure it would've been cool to see TWTNW in UE4 with rain effects but we were just there in DDD which is supposed to be the prologue to KH3's story.I do like the 13 stone pillars more after finding out they've been there since Dark Road times implying they're really ancient. Which then leads you to think they might've been used by the original 13 True Darknesses back in the day.
>>501676983I mean they could still just keep the castle for usage off screen.
>>501676983>do like the 13 stone pillars more after finding out they've been there since Dark Road times implying they're really ancient. Which then leads you to think they might've been used by the original 13 True Darknesses back in the day.never thought about it like that. would be funny if vanitas stuck with the same pillar he had back then.
>>501673859pov you're standing next to Naminé (she's like 4")>>501674993>Or is the white dress iconic at this point and shouldn't be changed?all their outfits are iconic and they keep changing anyway, hell Naminé is the outlier alongside Donald and Goofy, except Naminé at least spent most of her "life" not existing
>>501676613What always threw me off about that was her saying he was changed beyond recognition which made me think of the Yozora as we see in Toy Box and the secret episode, I just immediately associate Yozora with the guy on the Verum Rex cover. But then that makes things convoluted because it'd mean Dylan Sprouse isn't really voicing Yozora just a guy who's possessing Yozora's body or for some reason whoever's possessing Yozora didn't retain their original voice. So then the Terra-Xehanort explanation is a lot simpler and straightforward and follows he rules of the series where the voice doesn't match the body of a vessel.This did make me wonder if Luxu's voice is the same through all his vessels because so far we've only heard Max Mittelman and James Patrick Stewart and the former might just be what a younger JPS is intended to sound like.
>>501661579Pretty depressing Chirithy are basically extinct.
>>501677814>those pillars are where the Darknesses held the ritual where they sacrificed their bodies to become one formless being to defeat lightI need a flashback of that.
>>501670090You mean this design? I swear I've seen this type of look in other things. It's not unique to Vanitas.
>>501679306You're making this more complicated than it needs to be.
>>501682187That's what happens when news deprived.
>>501641456
>>501661579Howdy pard'ner
>>501682016>other thingsYou can't name one...
>>501676000>>501679306>reclaim your heartYozora is the Verum Rex universe's equivalent to a nobody and whoever stole his heart is their equivalent to heartless. His change in appearance could even be influenced by Sora that way like Vanitas was.
>>501662592Lauriam and Elrena's are dead because they fell to darkness. This was part of the clues that the Master was lying about everything, we got to see directly what happens to a Chirithy when its wielder falls to darkness, and it doesn't become a Nightmare like the Master said.So Ven's, Brain's, and the Foretellers' Chirithies may be the last ones left.
>>501689752Oh, and Skuld's. She never fell to darkness either.
>>501574059You need to go for a full 100% on this game bro, it's an amazing experience. 450 hours and I hated all of it .
light
>>501655760>its hope>Luxu told Luxord the box container hopeI feel like this is massive foreshadowing but I can't fit the breadcrumbs together right now.
>>501676758Does anyone have a translation of what Nameless Star said to Sora because part of me wonders if something wasnt lost in translation. Since they muddied the water with things that are very clear in JP like Xehanort and Sora's dialogued in the ending. Which was you know, really fucking important not to fuck up. It might be a lot more clearer in Japaness.
I was trying to find Nameless Star's dialogue again but I accidentally read the other stars and it hit me like a brick.>"I found myself here, lighter than before. Unburdened. All my pain and responsibility, gone. But something in this new ease keeps catching at the corners of my mind. Is it all right for me to be here like this? There is a faint memory. A sound. Others may have found it grating, but it warmed my heart. That crying... I have to find it. Embrace it. The sweet weight I carried. My dear, beloved burden."
>That's strange. I'm running and running, but I can't get to Papa. Oh? This is hide-and-seek! I love hide-and-seek! I'm going to find Papa. He'll be so proud. Hmm...I can't find him. I give up, Papa! Come out! Come out! ...I've looked so hard for him. Isn't he looking for me? Wait, that's Papa's voice. I hear his voice! It's that light! I understand now. I just have to run toward that light!"Jesus if KH4 has good new writers but tbe same subject matter it might be really heartwrenching at points
>>501704958What really hit me is reading all the stars' regrets and attachments to the world and then finding Namine among them. She didn't get her own distinct heart held by the Lich somewhere else, she was condemned alone alongside the existential dreaming dead. A really harsh fate.
>>501689510His heart wasn't stolen you retard.
Larxene just doing her thing.Was meant to be a thing for a commission sheet, but I decided against it. It's be better to use my own character.
I only now realized that Vanitas' theme recycles Sora's leitmotif at a different pitch. Brilliant music.
It's funny how Ansem SOD aka Xehanort's Heartless could theoretically resurrect an uncountable number of times provided he has enough Darkness in his host body>Ansem kicks Riku's heart to the realm of darkness while he takes over his body>Sora kicks Ansem's Ass and the Light of KH kills him>Turns out Ansem's Darkness is still in Riku and tries to possess him after the Lexaeus fight>Riku kills Ansem (straight up in the chest in the manga)>Ansem straight up says he'll come back>Riku turns into Ansem SOD, but he has full control>Ansem's not fully dead until the Real Ansem the Wise's KH Encoder explodes and purifies Riku. Other times we see Ansem SOD is just the time traveling oneCompare that to Xemnas were once he died in KH2 that was it outside time travel.
>>501704470>私はその名も姿も奪われ 今は何者でもありません>I've been robbed of my name and appearance, and now I'm nothing.>彼も姿を奪われ 今存在する彼は 別の心を宿しています>He too has been robbed of his form, and the one who exists now has a different heart.>もし彼が元の心を取り戻す時がくれば きっと私を捜し回ると思います>If the time comes for him to regain his former heart, I'm sure he'll look for me.The interesting thing about this is how she compares her experience to Yozora's but she doesn't say he was robbed of his name as well. Whatever happened to him is less severe.>http://kh02d23.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-216.html. >http://kh02d23.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-223.htmlThis Japanese blog was speculating about the same things we were too.I know this has been said before but in the Japanese version Yozora is called a shogun who were like military rulers in Japan. So that could relate to why he's considered a king.
>>501720825I thought the fight in DDD was against the inner one again, Riku said at the start that he still doesn't have a full grasp of his darkness But yeah, more than just a heartless, he's straight up became like the formless true darknesses
>>501723216>これは俺本来の姿じゃないが、どうしておまえは俺をヨゾラと呼ぶんだ>This isn't who I am, so why do you call me YozoraSeems pretty clear cut to me. But again there's still some grey area as to whether Yozora is the victim of a botched possession which left his memories and appearance warped but he knows who he is. Or if his original body is out there somewhere being controlled by someone else.
>>501689752did they fall to darkness? I thought they lost their hearts as a side effect of the time travel stuff.
>>501723216>>501724141His name is Dougie Jones.
>>501724141>Or if his original body is out there somewhere being controlled by someone else.Yeah, this one. And it's right there in that scene.It's pretty obvious.
>>501725147>彼も姿を奪われ 今存在する彼は 別の心を宿しています>He too has been robbed of his form, and the one who exists now has a different heart.This is the real tell. Nameless Star tells Sora Yozora's heart has gone missing and later we meet a guy calling himself Yozora and saying that's not how he's supposed to look normally. But NS aside it seems people's hearts being displaced is more common than we think in Yozora's world because he questions if Sora is really who he says too.
>>501703919Ava calls the Dandelions hope too.
>>501674993Only Sora, Riku, Kairi and the King can get new clothes. Everyone else will keep the same designs.The only reason Axel, Xion and Saix got new clothes is because they only ever wore the black coats before which does not count. I guess also Hayner, Pence and Olette got new clothes as well, but I have a feeling it's to make them resonate closer to Roxas.
>>501727113The box contains the admin password to data Daybreak Town
>>501696330Man I can't imagine.
Sora bowing to Saix with dogeza is more powerful if you learn about Japanese culture. Sora basically submitted himself to the lowest level and sacrificed his honor and dignity.
>>501723216>>501724141Could relate the possession stuff back to Versus XIII and it's themes around sleep, dreams, death and the afterlife. Maybe the hearts of the dead are invading the world of the living in Quadratum and Yozora lost his body that way but then his heart found the "commander" on the verge of death and was able to use him as a vessel. That ties into Noctis getting some of his powers from a near-death experience.
>>501704958Some of these stars talk about students and masters and a pair of twins iirc. Maybe some of these people are from Dark Road or Missing Link. Maybe even Quadratum.
>>501723216>>501730421Toy Box does a lot of foreshadowing for Verum Rex. I can see why Nomura said he couldn't make KH3 without Toy Story.>"One heart's shadows fill the emptiness of another. See how they bring him to life? Like Heartless and Nobodies, they fit together.">But the "KARMA" that sleeps in humans will accelerate further. In the light of the warhead in the night sky, they chose to fight while feeling the pain of their hearts...>"I am testing the strength of their bonds. In this world, toys have hearts. And those hearts come from a powerful bond. So what happens when those bonds are stretched to their limit? When they are worlds apart, can cloth and plastic hold on to their hearts? All I needed was a wedge to widen the divide—someone like you to fill them with distrust and doubt. And that chasm you created can be filled with a vast darkness.">What is eternal bond.Going back to whether Young Xehanort knows about Quadratum or has studied the Verum Rex game, he could've used that as the inspiration for his experiment on the toys.
>>501734732I wonder if the difference with unreality is that people aren't born with ready made hearts the same way they are in KH because it isn't a world divided into light and darkness. They're born with souls but their hearts only start to grow as they develop bonds with others like a nobody. Maybe what type of heart they have (light or darkness) depends on their actions that beget good and bad karma. >“There is nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so.”And those that develop dark hearts gain the ability to control others like True Darkness or Possessor Heartless.>"All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players."
>>501738654The fucking reverse lollipop.
Best opening movie, best dearly beloved.
is nomura gonna leave a present in kh fans stockings or a lump of coal this christmas?
>>501741212Coal. Delivered by Geoff Keighley.
>>501740543>DDD made Jesus canon to KHHe fought in the ancient keyblade wars.
>>501742310Jesus used Decisive Pumpkin.
>>501724725No, they lost their memories as the price for time traveling. They lost their hearts separately after that, becoming Heartless and Nobodies.
>>501726456The question I have is what the cosmology of unreality is. They have hearts that behave similarly to reality's hearts (since they both linger in The Final World), but we know that their world doesn't have light or darkness, which are what reality hearts are made of. So what's the common factor between them?
>>501742428He didn't even need a keyblade he just did a Yen Sid Moses and parted the sea of heartless with his bare hands.
Give Tron Uprising world.
>Sora wearing upside down heart glasses.
>>501743468>It is I, Jesus, seeker of light
>>501743903This show was almost as awful as Legacy.
>>501743165There's been a lot of talk in recent games about belief and perspective defining if something is light or darkness. Maybe the people in unreality see them as one and the same thing; karma;>karma: good or bad luck, viewed as resulting from one's actionsOr karma is some evolved form of light and darkness that's fused together or never separated like it did in the kh universe. Maybe that's why the MoM is so interested in the place.
Is it weird that seeing Sora lose to Yozora scene kind of bothered me? The way he goes "How could I.." before he drops to he knees felt like he
>>501745724???
Come, KINGDOM HEARTS!
>>501745724>three-leaf clover >When Saint Patrick arrived in Ireland in 431, he used the shamrock to teach pagans the Holy Trinity.
>>501723216I am rather curious what Sora was gonna ask Yozora before Yozora cut him off.
>>501746628Good Karma breaks you out of Samsara, and you can go to Nirvana. Which randomly got namedropped by the aliens on Toy Box. And Nomura said he wrote all the dialogue in that world. And it effects your next life in reincarnation, and following KH3 we found out Player reincarnated.
>>501723216>>501724141>>501726456>>501730421>>501734732You're probably the same person but this is just a result of you looking into shit too much. Let me lay it down for you once more.>Yozora and Nameless Star both got their bodies and identities jacked >Namelsss Star's heart fled to the Final World while Yozora's went to occupy his current body>Namelsss Star does not know where Yozora's heart went so the new "Yozora" is someone else heart inside his body and does not have memories of her>Yozora is most likely not using his real name in his current form which is why he was surprised Sora was able to identify him as Yozora as this is not what Yozora looks like as Yozora himself said It's not that complicated.
>>501742310I love DDD for doing this but also adding TWEWY since Joshua was an angel or whatever I forget TWEWY lore.
>>501737903>"There is nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so.”No one talks about how purple is usually used to symbilize darkness magic and Nameless Star has purple magic.
>>501730421>Could relate the possession stuff back to Versus XIII and it's themes around sleep, dreams, death and the afterlife.I don't remember my dreams, isn't it a common thing where you see yourself as another person or did I make that up?Also another way to say that phrase is 'the true figure is still hidden in the subconciousness' and fiction comes from our minds...
>>501748904probably about either the verum rex stuff or nameless star.
>>501749468having no news has been killing us. please understand.
>>501750294But this particular schizo has been doing this even when we got news. Typing out walls of nonsense about a bunch of irrelevant concepts and then replying to his own post multiple times with more walls of the same nonsense.
>>501749826In one of very first Versus trailers Stella turns against Noctis after some purple energy washes over her. And her eyes are purple/violet.
does org13 actually want sora to go up the castle or are they fine with him just wandering around until namine is donethe early appearances seem to be vaguely helpful
>>501753761Aren't they just trying to guideh him to the most heartless?
>>501749468>>501750663Why did you quote posts that agreed with your greentext? Blanketing pretty tame theorycrafting as schizo nonsense is out of pocket. >But this particular schizoYou're just playing with fire with this type of talk. This place doesn't need off-topic shitflinging over made up boogeymen.
>>501749653His name is Joshua.Joshua.You can figure it out I believe
maybe it's just me but I don't care if people get a bit schizo with theories at least some effort was put into it instead of shitposting. kh is fun like that.https://youtu.be/R5KBRDnv2b4
>>501749252>paradise was localized as nirvana in Ansem's reportwe've come full circle
>>501750041I thought about the dream memory thing. Will Yozora remember meeting Sora in the dream or does he forget like most people do irl? Maybe when he's awake he doesn't know he's in the wrong body and that's only something he could tell Sora because he's unconscious. So Yozora's true self sleeps. I don't think I've ever dreamed of being another person but that's a trope in fiction.
>>501755846>Mickey Mouse time travel theory>No mention of him visiting Daybreak TownFUCK
>>501755447If we delete Xion forever what do we ultimately lose?
>>501759543joy
Seth Kearsley draws Aqua.
>>501761085And bless him for doing so. I like this pic. And I like the look Aqua is giving, seems mildly flirty.
>>501764959>leave him be...
>>501765341Why was Vanitas trying to stop Sora from waking Ventus up anyway?
>>501764959>>501765341What was the full dialogue again?
>>501766065Self-preservation? Better to let him him rest than get involved with the fighting again and destroy the vessel.>>501768149>No, leave him be. He's too pure...and a pure heart can be most careless.>...Darkness
>>501714471Looks good. I wonder what Elrena and Lauriam will be wearing when we see them next. They are probably done with Xehanort cloaks. But for some reason I don't see them returning to their Daybreak Town clothes, I'm expecting new designs and clothes. And I wonder if they'll have connections to Maleficent and Evil Queen like the phone games seemed to elude. Lauriam's connection to Evil Queen from Snow White world probably wont be relevant going forward except to maybe explain why he turned into an asshole. But Maleficent is still an active player that travels worlds, her supposed connection to Elrena could lead to... something. I don't know what though.
>>501761085Terra
>>501768934Sex
>>501756446Foretellers = 5 Buddah in the Diamond Realms Mandala
>>501768667>Self-preservation? Better to let him him rest than get involved with the fighting again and destroy the vessel.But then if Ventus dies, Vanitas dies too.
I want to see Larxene in a lightning vs lightning fight Palpatine so bad you have no idea.
>>501769771If Ventus knew about Darkness be might tell Aqua to end him again...
>>501768831Is it really Enchanted Dominion or Dwarf Woodlands?
Why didn't Vanitas die in BBSOr why is everyone so sure he didn't dieisn't the whole point of darkness getting a physical form again that it makes them killableDid he just not get bonked hard enough
>>501769771For Darkness KH3 is all in the past because the Vanitas who joins the Real Organization was taken from around the end BBS. After Ventus defeated Vanitas 12 years before KH3 he's been in his heart as Darkness. If Darkness has those memories of KH3 then he knows Ventus will survive. It might know Ventus will survive for some other reason being psychic and stuff. That's the best I got.
>>501770271Maybe but I dunno if Vanitas would let him lol.
>>501770661>Why didn't Vanitas die in BBSBecause he returned to Ventus' heart as we saw. Only thing that died was his body.You should pay better attention to what the scenes show us.>>501770704Vanitas/Darkness that we see in KH3 is a time traveler yes but once he returns to his proper period in time, he loses his memories of the future. So the version we see in KH3RM which is over a decade after BBS, wouldn't know about how things will turn out in the end. He just wanted Sora to butt out for weird reasons.
>>501770661My guess is Vanitas needed to be killed before fusing with Ventus to become Ventus-Vanitas, so he was only able to survive because Ventus defeated him while he was inside his heart. Or the more extreme solutuin is Ventus would need to be killed to take Darkness down with him.But MoM said he wouldn't need to sacrifice himself and his apprentices even though they're vessels of Darkness so I doubt killing the host is the only way. Extracting the Darknesses into physical forms like Xehanort did with Vanitas and then killing them might be the plan.>>501771169Maybe it isn't so much a plot thing they just wanted to show Darkness. And maybe it's just not fully awake either and it's protecting Ventus and itself like an immune system. If Darkness was fully conscious inside Ventus those 12 years or even after he was awakened in 3 it could've acted but it didn't. Seems dormant.
>>501770661"Vanitas" DID die. The guy is a human formed from coalescing primordial darkness in a human shell, and forcing it to live as a human. It's an abomination and the flesh is what died at the end of BBS, untethering the darkness that hid within once more. Baneetus est mortis. And so now only darkness remains, in whatever form it chooses to take.
>>501771470It's this. Vanitas lost his form but that was part of his plan to merge with Ventus and take his form instead. Ventus defeated him within their merged heart and Vanitas relinquished control back to Ventus as Ventus' restored Station of Awakening showed. Vanitas retuned to being part of Ventus' heart but back to being formless Darkness. So if the other Darknesses got extracted from the Lost Masters and be given their own separate forms like with Vanitas, they can be destroyed.
>>501771927So the same guy.
>>501771470>Maybe it isn't so much a plot thing they just wanted to show Darkness. And maybe it's just not fully awake either and it's protecting Ventus and itself like an immune system. If Darkness was fully conscious inside Ventus those 12 years or even after he was awakened in 3 it could've acted but it didn't. Seems dormant.Well given both Ventus and Vanitas were damaged from their fight and the X-blade's destruction, it's possibly that as Darkness, he would need time to rest just like with Ventus. But given what he said to Sora in KH3RM, he might have been awake for some time.
>inb4 he jumped to sora to escape his ventus jail
>>501772278No, he was an evil spirit given flesh. The flesh is gone now. He has returned to his original form.He can CHOOSE to take the form of Vanitas if he so feels, but he doesn't have to. He took form as a Heartless to force Sora out of Ven's heart.
>>501772658Ah so you're that one schizo.
>>501772836I should have realized you were that nutcase the moment this discussion started. You'll never see reason. We're done here.
>>501772836what's bizarre is that what he says basically just agrees with what you said
>>501772615WHY would Vanitas do this? It's going from one prison to another. His situation wouldn't change.
>>501773375sora's heart might have more cracks than ventus' and those are cracks that vanitas/darkness could take advantage of. plus if xehanort had told vanitas about unreality and given xehanort believes vanitas knows where the other darknesses are hiding, vanitas probably realized that sora was going to disappear given he was breaking a nature taboo and gamble that sora could disappear to the other side where he would know the other darknesses are at or atleast the one who is stuck with the master of masters.
>>501761085>>501768934He should draw them kissing next
Finally decided to play KH3 (with no mods) after putting it off for so long. Toy Box must be the undisputed best World of all KH games and this intro with playing around with Rapuzel in her world is the cutest thing ever even if it is all a bunch of meandering silliness.
>>501774493I wonder what his mom would think of his future actions.
I like that they gave Ira red and not yellow eyes like the rest of the Foretellers because he probably goes rage mode. He's very Saix down to calm exterior and middle manager energy.
>>501774980I hope someone asks Nomura about Xehanort's mom and what happened to her. Unless he plans to show her being killed in Missing Link's epilogue after giving her baby away.
Funny we got a higher budget FFVII mobile game about young Sephiroth searching for his mother around the same time we got Dark Road.
>>501777723It's not really about him looking for his mom thoughThe real parallel is that it's the story of Sephiroth's youth which puts him on the path that ultimately leads to villainy
>>501777723>young Sephiroth searching for his motherwhat's next, Ultimecia going through her daddy issues?who thought this was a good idea?"Oh let's just demistify the most recognizable videogame character after Pikachu and Mario by making him look for his mommy"I HATE NU SQUARE
>>501781571Sephiroth unironically sucks ass in VII and desperately needed more to his character
>>501774971Olympus has my favorite level design but Toy Box is just a fun setting. And even though outside of Andy's room it's all new content there's still a feeling of nostalgia to it.
>>501782892I suppose it does evoke Al's Toy Barn as well to some extent.
Sora's darkness: Heartless -> Anti Form -> Rage Form -> VANITAS
>>501783435a mix of the toy barn and pizza planet
>>501768831Maleficent will definitely be involved going forward so they have a chance to reference some history between her and Elrena. Not sure about the Evil Queen though. Maybe if they expand on what Dark Road showed where some of the Disney villains have grown their own Darknesses like the Queen of Hearts, so they're relevant to the current arc. After the Lost Masters Darknesses and Vanitas they're still 5 short of 13 so the ones residing in the Disney villains while not the og True Darknesses could fill those spots. You'd think Maleficent would have her own Darkness considering how evil she is.
>>501777723Sephiroth is a more influential and popular villain compared to Xehanort.
>>501784685>True DarknessGive Pete one too while we're at it.
>>501785754I'm not arguing with that. Even within KH I'd say Ansem and Xemnas are more popular being from the earlier games more peopled played.
More art like this pls
>>501784685The only relevant darknesses are the 13 originals. That's it. Other darknesses grown by people aren't relevant but a consequences to having the 13 be allowed to roam free. And Maleficent doesn't need anymore darkness than she already has.
>>501786439And those guys are just versions of Xehanort so it doesn't really matter.
>>501786015Would a darkness powerup turn Pete into Julius?
>About to play Frozen on KH3Why am I hesitating? Is it really as bad as some people make it out to be despite it featuring Larxene?
>>501787603Baldr's Darkness was the main antagonist of Dark Road I wouldn't call that irrelevant. We could see more of these invisible lesser Darknesses showing up and being used to form a new 13 Darknesses.
>>501788121>Baldr's Darkness was the main antagonist of Dark Road I wouldn't call that irrelevantThat's for a mobile game that has no overarching relevance other than giving Xehanort more of a backstory.
>>501788307Because you can see the future and know it'll have no overarching relevance. Sure thing.
>>501788450Just don't start screeching at Nomura and SE when those oh so important darknesses have no relevance later on. But hey. Maybe there's Missing Link lol.
>>501787992It is without exaggeration the worst world in franchise history
>>501788903It can't be worse than KH2 atlantica
>>501788678If they don't, they don't. But Missing Link did have those invisible feather things controlling the police officers that Nept was able to see like Xehanort could see Darkness. So the stuff in Dark Road might connect more to that game if it ever comes out.
>>501789258Well... you'll see
>>501769674>The Buddha, in his enlightenment state, is often portrayed seated upon an open lotus flower>The white lotus represents mental purity and spiritual perfection. The red lotus is the symbol of love and compassion. The blue lotus represents wisdom and intelligence and is always pictured partially opened. A gold lotus represents the achievement of complete enlightenment.bring back the memory pods...
>>501787926Majority of secret bosses become important to the story later on. Julius being the only secret boss in DDD makes me wonder a little. If we got Oswald I'd believe.Vanitas Remnant and Dark Inferno I have no clue. If Vanitas returns and he has the white armor that'd be pretty dope though.
>>501787926Pete and Julius have no relation to each other so no.
>>501790591>Julius being the only secret boss in DDD makes me wonder a littleNot every superboss is relevant. Kurt Zisa and Phantom from KH1 had no relevance later on. Neither did Dustflier from Days nor Xehanort and Eraqus' armor data in BBS.Same applies to Vanitas Remnant who was explicitly stated to be an Unversed created by Vanitas before he was defeated.
>>501670090it's obviously inspired by vanitas, it's not an issue lol.
>>501791219It's just because Julius is the only secret boss in DDD and he's such a weird pick. But in other games there have been a bunch of secret bosses that aren't important or even strictly canon yes.
>>501790591I think Vanitas Remnant was a similar situation to Lingering Sentiment. His thoughts and emotions animated the armor. But it didn't have a noble goal like Terra's armor did. Before going to Radiant Garden I guess Aqua went to the Keyblade Graveyard looking for clues, was attacked by armor since it's just mindless anger, and destroyed the remnant. That's my guess. A secret boss I'm confused about is Young Xehanort in BBS. So, with time travel you can link with where your heart was, right? But Xehanort's heart was never in Aqua or Ventus, they never got Norted. So shouldn't it be impossible for them to have fought Young Xehanort during BBS? This makes me think in the rough drafts of KH3 Aqua and Ventus were meant to get Norted.
>>501792428Pretty sure the only requirement for YX to time travel to when BBS was taking place is for a version of himself to exist at that time. Shouldn't have needed a vessel either since Ansem gave him the ability to time travel.
>>501792428I think the rules of time travel are looser than that. Xehanort can travel to any point in time where a version of himself exists and he was alive at that time as Master Xehanort. Maybe there's a limitation on where he can go in a certain time period like a world he never visited but in Xehanort's case he traveled so much he's probably been to most of the relevant places.
>>501791295It's not though.
>>501791707>It's just because Julius is the only secret boss in DDD and he's such a weird pick.I don't see how. It's a Disney game so wouldn't be too surprising for a Disney character being a superboss at some point. Also again, Dustflier was the only superboss in Days.
>>501792428Vanitas Remnant is literally an Unversed just like all the other Unversed that Vanitas created.
>>501792428>This makes me think in the rough drafts of KH3 Aqua and Ventus were meant to get Norted.how to you guys even arrive to retarded conclusions like this?
>>501793404>>501793590I see. Do you think Young Xehanort fighting the trio was setting up some kind of 4D chess master plan? Or was it ultimately unimportant like he just felt like testing their abilities and/or trolling them?
>>501794450It was just a teaser for the next game. That's it.
>>501793820Julius only appeared in one thing outside of KH and it's a pretty obscure thing Disney tried to bury. So it's a surprising pick for the first Disney secret boss. I forget when Nomura first mentioned wanting to use Oswald, maybe he was his first choice but he settled for Julius instead. Dustflier is nothing special it's just another Heartless like Kurt Zisa or Phantom, DDD made a little more effort giving us something unique at least.
>>501794450I can't really think of a way that it'd be important to the story unless Young Xehanort was gathering combat data on them for something. It's not like Lingering Will's appearance in 2FM had any narrative impact either. He didn't come to help Sora in 3 because he met him before, it was all Namine.
>Lea use to be pretty Sora like and pretty friendship crazy>End up getting a lot of Riku traits after becoming Axel to point where in RAX's relationship, he serves as the Riku one despite Isa/Saix being his initial Riku>By the time he's Lea again, his Sora like traits start coming back, he's still noticeably more mature like Riku after his redemptionFunny thing is Riku is getting more Soraish according to his conversation with Kairi in 0.2.
>>501795898Plot Twist: Eraqus himself also still believes in the Stork and he's in his 80s.
>>501794570>Julius only appeared in one thing outside of KH and it's a pretty obscure thing Disney tried to bury. So it's a surprising pick for the first Disney secret bossThey were going to use Treasure Planet despite that movie not selling well. >Dustflier is nothing special it's just another Heartless like Kurt Zisa or PhantomStill a superboss and the only superboss for Days. Just like Julius for DDD.
>>501788165Is this some Sora x Kairi OC fankid
>>501795893Riku's still too stoic to be Sora to me. But I can see the Axel and Saix thing, especially because Saix is bitter Axel went off and made new friends with Roxas and Xion like Sora befriended Donald and Goofy which pissed Riku off initially. And Subject X is their Kairi now.
I miss the Xehanort, Eraqus, and Kairi's Grandmother pics. They were funny.
Still think one of the best bits of humor in KH3 was Riku freaking out when Mickey compared Aqua to Sora.
>>501796514Is it still possible for Xehanort to have met Kairi's grandma at some point in his life?
>>501796429Riku's not a full Sora, but Sora's cheerfulness and optimism really rubbed off on him post KH2 to the point where Riku started following his heart like Sora does. That's why Kairi was like "Whose this new Riku?"
>>501796627i feel like mickey must have said something different in japanese for riku to react like that.
>>501796170That's what happens when your father figure is a celibate monk and you live isolated in a mountain range. What a place to raise kids.
>>501796675yeah. maybe he did research down in radiant garden for a little bit.
Get a scene where Terra continued to believe in Santa unlike Riku.
>>501796691He's less brooding after 2 for sure. Hopefully he has more sass and character in 4 because he didn't get that much in 3.
>>501797067>Riku: Sora, Santa isn't real. The guy in the brown cloak in the secret spot told me so.
>>501797067Terra's no chump he doesn't believe in Santa. He's all about the Easter Bunny.
>>501797156Wouldn't be surprised he's not that much different in IV given Yozora's around now and they'll probably want to differentiate the two.
>>501796376>he can't recognize Player
>>501797585>no galaxy afro with sunglasses and obnoxious light effects with balloons Not my Player
>>501797747Player is a strange creature.
I wonder if Apprentice Xehanort could have reigned in the crazy if Braig/Luxu wasn't manipulating him.
>>501796514Young Ansem the Wise gets me.
>>501798893Young Ansem reminding me of Rufus Shinra a little.
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>Originating in Germany, Anselm means “divine protection” or “God's helmet"
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>>501800095Why don't Ansem and his apprentices use one of the remaining replicas for Vanitas? Vexen made like 20 replicas. 12 got used for the Xehanort replicas, 1 was for Ansem, 1 for Xemnas, 1 for Young Xehanort, 1 for Vanitas, 1 for Repliku(which later got used for Namine), 1 for Roxas and 1 for Xion. That's 19 replicas used leaving 1 that has not been used. Couldn't they just use the remaining replica for Vanitas once more?
cant wait to shitpost with Luke pictures when the next trailer drops
>>501801294well it's simple1. you'd have to find a way to separate him from ventus again without hurting ventus 2. why would they want vanitas back? he's a bad guy.
>>501801453>why would they want vanitas back? he's a bad guy.It's more of that they give him a separate vessel so they can destroy him once and for all.
>>501801364They're gonna hold on to Star Wars until like four months until release. Get ready for Moana.
>>501801294Vanitas doesn't want to join the good guys.https://fusetter.com/tw/XHyvV#all]>Sora: "Isn't okay if we just work together?>Vanitas: It's my reason for being born. is /because/ I am darkness, that you both belong to the light, able to exist there. If that isn't 'working together' [I don't know what is}>Ventus: Which one is darkness, which one is light. There's no need to sift it apart like that. "I am me. You're you. We can live our own lives freely just fine.>Vanitas: Freely-- Well, I am living freely. Like this.>Ventus: How is being imprisoned [chained] by darkness anything like living freely?"(imprisoned [chained] here can be read as physically, but also mentally chained in a way that his mind is made up/bound)>Vanitas: That's the way of life I chose.>Ventus: I see.
>>501801583oh and you'd have to pull out vanitas' own heart from within ventus' if he still has that individuals and hasn't been completely absorbed by ventus' heart.
>>501801832Yeah I know he doesn't want to join them but more like they'll separate him from Ventus and have means to destroy him when he acts up again. >>501801847Going by KH3RM when Sora dives into Ventus' heart, it's clear Vanitas still has individuality as Darkness.
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If he could, do you think Xemnas would betray MX? From some of his unuse dialogue in KH2, and his journal entries seemed he wanted to be the Surpreme Being creating a New World, and didn't necessarily want to die to reform into Old Man Xehanort and Terra again.Ansem SOD seems more self aware that he's screwed no matter what he does, to the point that he didn't even care they were traitors and stopped trying to defy his fate.
>>501802960Xemnas was just talking as Xehanort with those goals of his.
Finally picked back up on my Steam achievement gauntlet with BbSI forgot about the Finish Command grind...
So I'm guessing when a Humanoid Nobody and the Heartless/Heart join back into the original being, the Heart the Nobody ended up grew just kinda merges with the Heart they already had. So, Axel's heart joined with Lea's Heart, so even though Lea's actual Heart/Heartless didn't live Axel's life, they've basically become one and the same with some additional guilt and all the other emotions that were suppressed. Same thing for guys like Ienzo and Aeleus so they're no longer hardasses.
I want to FUCK Namine!
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>>501790591Either by sheer coincidences or 4D chess Julius parallels Yozora. >Yozora and Sora fight in a dream>Julius and Sora/Riku fight in a dream>Yozora and Sora fight in a version of Shibuya>Julius and Sora/Riku fight in a part of Traverse Town modeled after Shibuya because of the TWEWY characters. >Quadratum is like an afterlife for people like Sora and Strelitzia >The TWEWY characters and themes in their game are all about the afterlife so that part of Traverse Town evokes the afterlife.>Mickey and Julius' brains get swapped. >Yozora's heart was replaced with another's>This is the biggest stretch but Julius is an original Disney character from the Alice Comedies some of the first Disney animations >Julius and Pete were rivals>But in Runaway Brain Julius is named Julius but is modeled after Pete. >Yozora's heart was replaced with anothers. >But that's not what he really looks like. >Is based on concepts for Versus 13 Noctis
>>501827857Also before someone corrects me, by version of Shibuya I mean out of Universe to us Quadratum is another version of Shibuya like how we have 3 or 4 versions of France and London and shit.
>>501802960Ansem definitely harbors regret as he admits to Riku. Xemnas could've thought about betrayal because he talks like Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia and Larxene revealing their secrets is something that will happen eventually and that can't be true if Xehanort is successful and he purges the world and everyone in it besides himself. Maybe it's just that most or all of the main norts knew deep down they would lose because it's etched into their hearts and they've all traveled through time. So they have moments of clarity or say things that come across like they don't believe in their hearts MX will fully succeed; their hearts remember something their minds don't. For instance the line "find the hearts joined to yours" is obviously meant to help Sora in a way even if it benefits them that he unites the guardians. But we know they can just use the New Seven Hearts so it shouldn't matter much unless they want Sora to have a fighting chance. With Xigbar it makes sense he doesn't want Xehanort to win completely. Young Xehanort is the one that leaves me scratching my head. But out of all the Xehanorts besides maybe Ansem he's done the most time traveling; time is his whole gimmick, so he's seen a lot and maybe that's given him some heightened cosmic awareness of how fucked MX is and he's resigned himself to it. And that's part of the reason YX is so angsty because he's flailing in the face of certain defeat. But he still finds some comfort in knowing Sora's going to get booted from reality because he's petty like that.So yeah YX might be trying to fight against fate a little in 3 or is looking at the bigger picture beyond his defeat. Even in DDD I got the sense he knew Braig was Luxu because he starts talking to him about No Name being the most ancient of all keyblades. Could be thinking he needed to keep Sora around and get him to Unreality because that's where the Lost Masters are going.
>>501827857There's quite a lot of stuff that could be interpreted as foreshadowing in 3D. I don't even think Nomura had the idea of Verum Rex back them because he was still under the impression he was making Versus XIII that had just then been rebranded as XV. But things like TWEWY dealing with death and Tron being changed beyond recognition fit well. And on top of that there's Julius of all Disney characters and his story mirroring Yozora's too. Maybe development of KH serendipitous like that. Like how things slotted into place with the ark in KH1.
>>501831571Maybe Invictus was the early version of what Nomura had in mind for the series direction after KH3 while developing 3D because it looks less like overtly Versus XIII. There's gothic and futuristic buildings instead of carbon copy of modern Tokyo and Yozora looks like Sora similar to the early concept art of Roxas.As he said he plans at least two games ahead and he wasn't kicked off Versus XIII while making 3D, I'll always be curious what he thought KH4 would be back then. Unless it was Dark Road and KH3 he had in his mind then so he hadn't got past 3 yet back then.
>>501742310>>501743468>>501749653>"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." ~ Matthew 7:7
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>>501839583huh
>>501839938duh
2024... I am forgotten.
Pocahontas world when??
>>501807269The greater nobodies retain most of their human identities and traits; they have bodies and souls and even burgeoning hearts. Makes sense they'd consider it part of their life experience as humans. It's the same with Master Xehanort even though it's seldom mentioned that he shares the same memories as Ansem, Xemnas and even Terra to an extent. He doesn't feel different to the Xehanort of Birth by Sleep before he went through all that heartless and nobody shit. Would've helped if we saw him interacting with the real organization members more to remind you that he was Xemnas or have him interact with Riku and reminisce about his time as Ansem and how he longed to leave the islands too. It'd just kind of a shame Master Xehanort barely interacted with Sora and Riku. He gets some screen time with Kairi in MoM though. And I guess Young Xehanort is kind of a proxy for his older self, they have a similar demeanor. And it saves on the Leonard Nimoy/Rutger Hauer/Christopher Llloyd voice recording budget too.
>KH should be rebooted with a new cast of characters >KH should let Sora retire>KH3 should have been the end of Sora's journey When and why did these become common opinions, especially on /v/?
>>501845537>whenin the last few years>whyshitposting, no one saying those things is even a little bit sincere
Still strange to think Xigbar and Eraqus were classmates.
>>501845537Kingdom Hearts has gone on long enough. It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing to get a whole new cast of OCs and start fresh and let people get the satisfaction of Sora's story ending unlike some stories where the protagonist is around too long.
>>501850073I mean, Xigbar's always had the veneer of a guy that's been around
>>501852840Also MoM
>>501827857>>501828025>>501830489>>501831571>>501831957literally the same person
>>501852934>4 years since the last gameGrim.
>>501852718Oh yeah it's just weird thinking about Braig knowing Eraqus since he was a kid and joking about Xehanort killing him to Aqua and Ven. Not that they were super close but they weren't strangers either.
>>501852084>It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing to get a whole new cast of OCs and start fresh and let people get the satisfaction of Sora's story endingThing is we've already had multiple games where Sora isn't the protagonist. They're prequels but still. Let the story end with Sora. They can make more sidequels or prequels if they want but let KH have a definitive end. A lot of series don't.I''ll admit Kingdom Hearts as a concept is pretty ripe for a reboot though. Reminds me of all the international versions of Lilo and Stitch where Lilo is interchangeable. But it wouldn't feel right to me seeing Donald and Goofy with some other kid and a bunch of OCs who amount to not-Riku, not-Kairi and not-Xehanort. And there's already so many OCs and more on the way with Missing Link in current canon. The cast is at critical mass. We're gonna be Star Wars levels of glup shitto before long. Is Mog the closest thing we have to KH glup shitto?
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>>501862806I wonder if Roxas would be interested in reconnecting with the other former Org members that he worked besides just Xion and Axel.
>>501858719He was at least two lifetimes deep by the time he was Bragi, so I think that's enough time to lose the part of you that cares about the relationships you form.He knows that he's outliving and abandoning them in a new life anyway.
>>501852934Where steam release?
>>501859763I'm sick of reboots in general. End something and make something new if you're tired of it, don't just restart because you're creatively bankrupt.
Without light, there is only darkness. But a shadow shows you where to find the light. Vanitas' redemption arc is an inevitability.
>>501875989it's not happening
>>501875989I hope not. We have enough sweet and kind characters. Now that the Xehanrots are gone we're in need of edgelords. I hope his losses against the Guardians have made him even more deranged and hateful for when we next see him.
>>501882487Not him but Vanitas will 100% be an ally against the Master, whose grand plan is to literally genocide Vanitas and his kindHe doesn't have to be a good guy, but he is going to work together with Sora for a common goal
>>501882668Interesting idea. How would Ventus and Aqua respond to Vanitas working with Sora? And how often would Vanitas cause trouble for Sora even though they are supposed to be on the same side? I could see that edgelord testing the limits of Sora's ability to be friends with anyone.
>>501868142I didn't even think of this in my original post but there's even more history there because of Luxu and Brain's relationship, I'm not even sure what their relationship is. He saves Brain in the past and they'll probably reunite in the Missing Link era given that No Name ends up with Odin so he has to pass it down to someone before becoming Bragi. So there's multiple layers of weirdness for Luxu because it's implied he took Brain's original body as a vessel, not that he needed it when the ark would've destroyed his body anyway, and then it's not confirmed yet but it's possible that he bequeathed Brain No Name in Scala and became a classmate of his grandson. He has some history with the Brain/Eraqus bloodline. He must be pretty detached to shrug all that off.
can sora keyblade himself again and make another roxas
>>501882668Vanitas could have the same enemy as Sora and co and still antagonize them. He's more likely to work with Maleficent and Pete tbqh because Maleficent has ties to Darkness. >>501883736Vanitas wouldn't hesitate trying to antagonize his "brothers" and their friends. Ventus would be irritated but willing to tolerate a bit but Aqua would be seething and would need Terra and Ventus to calm her down.
>>501884212I guess? But then you'd have Saxxor.
>>501884212It would create a Nobody that looks more like Sora this time since Roxas only looked more like Ven than Sora was because Ven's heart was residing within Sora's body at the time.
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>KH3's 100 Acre Wood is only 1 pageOh...
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>>501885809which girl broke dilan's heart back in radiant garden
>>501859763>Thing is we've already had multiple games where Sora isn't the protagonist.It's all linked to the same Sora story aside from mobile games unless that Player plot twist happens, even BBS ended with it all being about Sora. Going at it fresh could have been a good thing.
>>501886525wrong energydon't like it
>>501875989Once Sora finds out from Strelitzia what Vanitas did to her and Ventus, Sora will lose his sympathy for Vanitas.
>>501852084I don't see why it matters how long a story goes on, or the benefit replacing the cast would be.
OK so far Frozen isn't so bad. Kinda sucks I have no allies and Larxenne somehow constructed an entire Ice fortress with the power of lightning but other than that it's kinda whatever. Sora will do some interacting with the Disney people after this right?
>>501902049Desu the Arendelle hate is so overblown. You'll do some interacting later, it sounds like you just got there.
Should people really get so uppity over the fact that Sora wasn't named a master?
blackpilled: not enough money for KH4 and other games. It's over.whitepilled: Square will realize DEI is ruining their sales and Blackrock isn't saving their stock, so they will let Nomura make KH4 the way he wants it.
>>501907672>disappointing Q3... What did Square even release in Q3?
>>501908023they promised investors that the slow sales of FFXVI and VII:R2 were due to slow adoption of the playstation 5, and they would pick up later onthey also released XVI on Steam and it didn't sell even there, if you go to piracy sites that have download counters you can see people didn't even bother pirating it, compared to other games
>>501908502What if they just reused their current expensive assets for several years worth of games? Maybe if they didn't spend a bajillion dollars on these AAA efforts they wouldn't be in such a deep hole. I'm worried about the future of Kingdom Hearts. All of the set up through the phone games and KH3, imagine if the franchise just died and we'd never get to see the story through after all this build up.
>>501908502DQ3 will help boost their Q4 console gaming income.
>>501846942Nah I think some of it is genuine. There are people who don't like all the plotlines and want to start over fresh. Every /v/ thread is full of them.
>>501911043It's all genuine. People just want KH to go back to what the first game was about. FF x Disney. Not OCs.
>>501845537I've noticed there's been an increase of Sora hate a couple years before KHIII started. People would say he's too dumb, hasn't changed much, or has sufferered enough compared Riku/Roxas/ect...
>>501902436Welp I finished and I must say it was pretty ass. Sledding was cool as was the final boss but man they really went out their was to keep Sora from any interaction with the main cast outside of rebuilding Olaf. The entire world was like the final 1/3 of Rapunzels' World but without even being able to say goodbye and laugh. I'm not sure what they were thinking with the pacing or if Nomura and crew had to tear down what was already planned to remake it into the Frozen teams' standards but I hope something like this never happens again. Sora should never merely be an observer, his whole schtick is to meet and make connections and the only thing on that world he really did that with was Marshmallow the Snow titan.
>>501915719Both Disney and Pixar were significantly more involved when it came to KH3 compared to the past games. KHIII ends up suffering for it.
>>501916042And KH4 is suffering right now. I'll be surprised if Quadratum ends up larger than Twilight Town was in 3.
>>501915719Unironically watch the MatPat game theory video on it if you want to know what was probably scrapped. Tl;dr: larxene was going to push Elsa into darkness and she would have made the evil ice castle and transformed into Fenrir. Which is why Marshmallow is a thing there. And you wouldnt have gone up the mountain 3 fucking times. Also matpat didn't say this but a Princess of Heart falling would have pretty big lore implications that were hinted at in Dark Road. (Maybe light and darkness are just perspective)
>>501915719Also we know Nomura picked if before the movie came out and if you watch rhe Frozen 2 behind the scenes you will know how retarded the Frozen writing team is. The massive success they didn't know they had made them extremely protective
>>501907672Kingdom Hearts will save Square Enix. Again.
>the internet has rediscovered Piglet's Big Game100 Acre Wood infested with Heffalumps and Woozles for KH4. Sora has to fight to make it a safe place again.
>>501886530Kairi's grandma. He has a thing for gilfs.
>>501898972Because the same series with the same cast for multiple decades becomes tired. It's probably going to end up rearing it's head in KH4 if we end up going through the same song and dances we did in previous KH games. Another Sora starting from 0 plot is already bound to be yawn inducing. It's like how going to most KH1 and even the princess of heart BBS worlds is just boring now from how often they've been around.
>>501908502>if you go to piracy sites that have download counters you can see people didn't even bother pirating it, compared to other gamesit has denuvo, people CAN'T pirate it
>>501907672>>501908502The reality is the economy is just shit now and there was too much growth during the pandemic that led to the industry imploding. And FFVII Rebirth is a sequel to a remake with a similar title to the first one, not great optics for casuals and newcomers. Games cost too much to make now. Metaphor ReFantazio sold 1mil copies so far and that's considered a success, Rebirth and FFXVI sell 2-3mil copies and "didn't meet expectations" Don't know where this Blackrock/DEI narrative is coming from but it feels forced and irrelevant. Hell, FFXVI was criticized for being "too white", it had middle eastern characters but whatever. Most gamers don't pay attention or care about that stuff. They just want good games, well written characters and cool designs. If Nomura's hitting any obstacles developing KH4 it's purely financial or the usual Disney red tape that comes with handling their IPs. And KH has the extra blanket of casual Disney fans and kids that buy those games making it less niche in some ways compared to FF. But we don't know how much that adds to it's sales. KH3 had the added anticipation and the PS4 had been out for a while. Another factor in KH4's success is whether it releases at the end of the PS5's life cycle or is an early PS6 title. Because sales won't be as high if it's on early 10th gen consoles, even if it's multiplat.
>>501946406>Don't know where this Blackrock/DEI narrative is coming from but it feels forced and irrelevantit's not irrelevant for them, cause you need to remember SE has a dedicated division for that and that costs money. Meaning, it affects budget and expected sales, for no gain i might add as they're quite literally paying people to make their games worse. The DQ team heads outright talked against all that stuff, so much so that interview had to be removed cause it made too big of a (apparently negative) buzz, and the interview was supposed to be about DQ3, they just got that heated when it came to the changes they were told to make.tldr besides the politics or whatever of it, the point is that they're losing money on it, money that could go on games instead. It's exactly the same as the other memes they wanted to go after like nfts and whatnot, all stuff that made them lose money that should've been spent on making games instead
>>501946943I just doubt that department is a black hole sucking up most of the studios funding. Shitty ventures like Foamstars and NFTs are doing a lot more damage. And like I said games are just expensive to make full stop now. And Japan slipped into another recession earlier this year. If you got rid of that department I'd be surprised if it made a noticeable difference. The reasons for these games shortcomings are more multifaceted There isn't just some simple fix-all solution I think. But I feel Kingdom Hearts is safe and with an end to the series in sight for Nomura I'm not being too doomer about it, even with the radio silence. I'd be more worried for the Final Fantasy series desu.
>>501541879Does the KH collection and KH3 run well on a Steam Deck? I'm planning to get them during one of those black friday/cyber monday deals
>>501947685>Shitty ventures like Foamstars and NFTs are doing a lot more damage.>The reasons for these games shortcomings are more multifacetedof course, i'm just saying that's just another one for the pile. Plus, it's the political one, meaning you just know there's people going scorched ground cause they gave Warrior thighs and use type a and type b instead of male and female. As you said it's not a big thing, but it's still a thing and it adds up.i also want to add, still being political, that conversely doing the opposite of that won't lose them any sales cause the people that apparently like type a and type b and censorship and whatnot don't buy videogames full stop. And speaking of buying videogames, them wasting money on denuvo is also another thing, but i guess that's pretty debatable given they do remove it after 6 months or so. But it's still something a good amount of people go scorched ground on, and again it all adds upbasically, if there's one thing that can describe modern age SE is having a knack for wasting money, which leads into them having games that sells multiple millions of copies and still not meeting expectations
>>501948184>if there's one thing that can describe modern age SE is having a knack for wasting moneydesu I'd argue Square has never fully recovered from the failure of Spirits Within and spent the next decade and a half playing catch up. Most of their iconic Final Fantasy titles and the Kingdom Hearts were born before the merger. Kingdom Hearts 2 was one of their few big successes of the mid-to-late 2000s. Outside of that their 21st century FF output has been met with a mixed reception from XII-XVI even with XIV redeeming itself later on. Nomura might've been able to turn things around with Versus XIII but they screwed him. Not saying I haven't enjoyed anything from the post-merger era but looking at it all objectively it's been spotty and it feels like their golden years left them behind in the late 90s/early 00s. I think the fact they're revisiting their glory days with VII Remake and the heavily rumored IX Remake speaks to that. It mirrors Disney in a weird way and all of their flops of their early 2000s post-renaissance. But they were able to turn it around a little by acquiring Pixar and getting hits like Frozen.
>>501950615to be fair, people were way harsher than they needed to be with FFXII, and of the XIII trilogy XIII-2 is actually a pretty good game (but that has little to do with budget or whatever decisions, it's all on design and what they wanted the games to be)>It mirrors Disney in a weird wayunironically yeah
>>501950980Square Enix kind of pulled the failed cinematic universe meme first because they had all these ambitions in the mid-2000s with the Fabula Nova Crystallis project and FFVII Compilation and it just sort of fizzled out or didn't materialize the way they'd hoped. They did revive compilation with Remake at least once they put the last remnants of FNC behind them with XV. But yeah I didn't understand the harshness towards XII and XIII-2 was an improvement over XIII. And TWEWY wasn't a huge huge hit but it did well enough for them to make a sequel at least and I consider that an important SE IP behind KH.
>>501951362And again I'll add I liked movies like Emperor's New Groove, Dinosaur, Treasure Planet and Atlantis but the renaissance was over. With SE it's like they still haven't really moved out of the shadow of those decisions they made circa 2004 with VII Compilation being their focus now. Even Yoshi P is drawing a lot from the Ivalice series for XVI which was divisive for fans even if I liked it. Feels like we need new blood in the director's chair for FFXVII that can move past all this. Kingdom Hearts has suffered because of all of it too. But in a universe where Nomura was allowed to use Toy Story back in like 2007 and he didn't have the Versus XIII drama I wonder what the KH series would even look like. He expressed that he wanted to take a break after 2 and do the unnumbered titles to develop the plot further before 3. So maybe that was always the plan. He does lay down at least the plots for Days and BBS in 2FM. There does seem to be this misconception that 3 was delayed for external reasons. Maybe Coded and DDD are more the result of 3 not being ready to make yet idk.
>>501952375>Toy Story back in like 2007Try 2002
>>501944082Man I wish we went to the BBS worlds more often. I love Enchanted Dominion.
>>501915719I'm ambivalent on the world itself, I never watched Frozen so I didn't know how much of the plot got gutted, but I enjoyed the mountain scaling.
>>501946406>FFVII Rebirth is a sequel to a remake with a similar title to the first one, not great optics for casuals and newcomersthat's not even half of a quarter of the problemnon-withstanding the awful gameplay (with pretty good combat that you barely get to do) the story is completely retardedthe AU, multiverse bullshit was stale 5 years before Remake came out, as usual Square Enix made its fortune by setting the bar and being the trendsetter in the RPG sphere, is 5~10 years late at chasing industry trends.One comment I read online about another game (very widespread phenomenon at this point) lays it out perfectly:>It requires deep knowledge of the original for any of its story to have an emotional impact, but at every turn it belittles and disparages its origins. It's made by a hater.Like when "Sephiroth" kills Barret, or when Hojo recognizes Cloud, or when Aerith mindblasts 5 year old Marlene with visions of the end of the world.The Remake series is not for newcomers, and it is not for fans.It's for people who don't like Final Fantasy, very much like Motomu Toriyama's other directed games, most infamously FFXIII which is designed entirely around common criticisms of JRPGs from like Call of Duty and Fifa players.Now take all that, market it as a faithful remake and piss off every fan by revealing it's a spin-off game in the last 2 hours, and then release a sequel to that that is 60% cutscenes and 30% minigames, and this is the result.Really insane that any single person at Square thought that was good, it's proof that they believe the press and critics more than the customers, and it's no wonder Nomura always looks so despondent when talking about it.As for XVI, the fact that it abandoned RPG mechanics altogether, the shallow DMC-lite combat, the extremely boring characters and designs, and the multitude of DE&I inserts combined with the PS5 being shit, killed it in the crib.Also, Flopspoken lmao.Say the line filter schizo!
>>501957302>It requires deep knowledge of the original for any of its story to have an emotional impact, but at every turn it belittles and disparages its origins. It's made by a hater.what game it was?
>>501956941They're boring. Only one that should come back is Lilo and Stitch.
>>501912840For that want more FF and hate Disney.The original characters are what Nomura and the actual fans care about the most so that will be the focus.
I hope KH4 can deliver a full 5-man party with Sora/Riku/Kairi/Donald/Goofy complete with Team attacks for each and all together.
Mad Maiden ReUltra MiX 5 A 5th remake of the first painting I ever posted on-line. I remake it every year.I had to compress this one to post it unfortunately. I'll post the full one on X @Mizmage1 later today
Ball squeezes from Larxene
>>501957868I don't remember, some of the newest remakes, probably Silent Hill. They removed a lot of stuff from it, like the dickpussy room.
>>501963113>I hope for scripted sequences and QTEs with perma iframes in KH4yeah cause people LOVED attractions in KH3, and LOVED using Ignis' ability in XV and taking their hands off the controller for 10 seconds at a timethis moviegame shit needs to be shamed at every turn, and I know someone will bring up KotR, but that's from a turn based game.
>>501957302>the awful gameplay (with pretty good combat that you barely get to do)>posts a webm of a gimmick that happens maybe three or four times across 100+ hours of content, most of which is combat-orientedThere's a lot of non-combat stuff in Rebirth but to say it outnumbers the combat content, even and especially restricting exclusively to critical path content, is insaneI'm curious if you even played it, or Remake, or XVI, or any of the stuff you're bitching about
>>501968158Look man I understand no one likes attractions, far too frequent and easy to get at the cost of practically nothing, but I wasn't referring to that I was referring to the interactive stuff where position matters like you know the Team Attacks we've had since KH2 with partners and our hands not touching a button for maybe 2.5 seconds for the finisher or perhaps something like the final segments of Xenmas' boss fight in KH2 that everyone still creams over for the hypothetical final boss.
>>501968661It outnumbers the combat content.Watch a longplay if you don't believe me.My point wasn't to discuss FFVII:R or XVI, I was making a point about Square Enix's internal decision making and how that will affect KH4, that being that they're sheltered, they only listen to game journos, and they're creatively bankrupt and trying to catch up to decade old trends when they're stale and washed.
>>501969643Cute!
>>501969338Ah yes this is surely a new trend on SE's design philosophy...I mean, filling the game with minigames... the old Square would NEVER do such a thingBoy I sure hope they keep Kingdom Hearts pure and un-tainted from the minigame scourge
>>501968158>yeah cause people LOVED attractions in KH3i didi understand wanting the option to disable them though but at that point i'd want an option to disable reaction commands in KH2 too>NOOO YOU CAN'T COMPARE THEMM!!!
>>501970280I mean you can just not do RCsAttractions are different because they share a button and UI element with other mechanics, which RCs do not, so Attractions are an inconvenience when not being used
>>501970241the skateboarding minigame literally lasts 30 seconds, and unlike corralling moogles it's fun.L + Ratio
>>501970459>I mean you can just not do RCsyou can also not do attractions, plenty of times i didn't in the pre-update game>they share a button and UI element with other mechanicsyou can cycle commands with L2, not anyone's fault you like to brainlessly rapid fire every button on the controller>NOOO YOU DON'T GET IT I LITERALLY HAVE TO PUSH THE BUTTON!!!
>>501970651https://www.khwiki.com/Mini-games>i-it doesn't count because I liked these ones
>>501970685You can't bitch about someone not wanting to have to cycle commands to avoid Attractions when you're asking to disable a HUD element you don't have to interact with in the first place
>>501971097i'm not bitching though, i only asked for parity cause they're the same shit. When there wasn't the option to disable attractions i just didn't do em, just like i didn't do RCs when i felt they were grating. They added the option just because so many people bitched and moaned about a literal non-issue, and they felt they needed to appease them (turns out it did nothing).Like i bet if KH2 had came out when KH3 did they would've patched out stuff like MP charge, drive gauges and everything that stood in the way of simply mashing the attack button to win
>>501971385>they're the same shitBut there is a clear distinction that makes the option to fully disable Attractions more desirableDisabling Attractions is a QoL featureDisabling RCs is you being autistic>they would've patched out stuff like MP charge, drive gauges and everything that stood in the way of simply mashing the attack button to winOK now you're just sperging out
>>501971703>oh but there's a clear distiction, one i like and the other one i dislike! easy!ok
>>501971813I already illustrated the difference to you
>>501971980yeah i noticed
>>501970917yeah exactly, it doesn't matter because they're short and fun and don't take up half the gameit's not even comparableyou could play Pooh's world 5 times in a row before you're done with half the minigames in R2
>>501973496>they're shortSo are the minigames in Rebirth>and funSubjective>don't take up half the gameSame as RebirthAnd unlike KHII, where most of its minigames are required at least once during a playthrough, most of Rebirth's minigames are entirely optional
>>501970241I wish I liked the Game and Watch games in KH3 because I used to play the shit out of Game and Watch Gallery on the Gameboy. But they didn't click with me sadly. I absolutely loved raising DDD dream eaters though and 100 acre wood. And dancing with rapunzel.
>>501915719Wow you legit made me realize that Arendelle is the only world where Sora doesn't interact with anybody in the last scene
>>501963113You are never getting SRK together in a party in any capacity
>>501980787Not even if I gift Nomura special, plaid zipper-jeans complete with a chained pocket?
>>501970459KH2 has abilities that literally have RCs share a button with Drives, Limits, and Summons.And you can turn them off just like how you can turn Attractions off.
>>501981063OK... but he wasn't talking about Auto abilitiesHe was talking about disabling RCs altogetherAnd aside from party members' Auto Limits, those are off by default
>>501972174who did dark riku get along with most in the real organization
>>501941798It won't do shit.
>>501946406>well written charactersNormies don't care for this. They'd rather have fun gameplay.
>>501915719Sora being forced apart from the sisters was because the Frozen team didn't want a guy saving them, right? If Kairi/Namine/Xion/Aqua visit Arendale with Sora we might actually see some friendship and connections being made. I can kind of understand them wanting to keep Arendale's story focused on sisterly bonds but it's unfortunate timing within the franchise when only Sora, Donald, and Goofy were able to visit Disney worlds.
>>501973813ok just lie then I guess
So the PC version of BbS DEFINITELY added some rubberbanding to Rumble Racing, right?I've never had this much trouble keeping a lead before. It's usually really easy.
>>501987032Can't say I remember experiencing thatThe only race I remember struggling with was Grand Spree, because it had a really punishing time with few shortcuts to make up for itActually, do the placements even matter? I thought it was just the completion time
>>501989673I thought placements matter, if they don't than I feel like an idiot.
>>501989673I don't remember ever worrying about completion time. You just have to win
>>501980957Not enough skulls KH4 has been delayed another year.
>>501984172I doubt he socialized with any of them. He's doomed to be forever alone.
>>501961971>The original characters are what Nomura and the actual fans care about the most so that will be the focus.lmao imagine being this fucking delusional
>>501984172Maybe Vanitas? They're pretty similar.
>>501978935>I absolutely loved raising DDD dream eatersI've embraced the DE pet life. I did a fresh start crit run and unlocked Toximander who raped Hockomonkey like it was just another day thanks to me spending the time to play with him to get him to change dispositions.
just had a shower thought about how much Marvel capeshit fucked up the finale of KH3.Nomura really thought it was going to be like one of those fake social media videos where Ironman catches Thor's hammer and the whole theater cheers like they're at the ball game (or black) Japanese people, especially older ones, have no shields against viral marketing campaigns.If Nomura watched Twin Peaks S3 and is inspired to pull from that for KH4, it's going to be a really weird trilogy of games.30 out of 40h of gameplay with Sora lobotomized, ending where Namine screams and it cuts to black, Strelitzia is Judy, etc.
>>502006908Didn't Nomura already say he likes Twin Peaks?
>>502007234yeah all of KH is based on Twin Peaks, that's why I'm saying that.If you're out of the loop, at the end of S2 one of the characters says "See you in 25 years" and David Lynch really waited 25 actual years and that was last year.Most of the actors died of old age and a suspicious number of them died of cancer, some died during the filming of S3.
>>502006908KH3 was pretty bad for reasons beyond marvelshit.
>>502006908>climax of story arc where characters unite>this could only happen because of recent Marvel movies
I feel the emptiness where my precious anons once posted.My first surge of emotion in years, for as long as I can remember, and it's...loneliness...You see? A heart is just pain.
darkness within darkness
Walt be willing...
>>502029673Cartoon characters are not actors in Kingdom Hearts. How could Roger Rabbit work as a world?
So will 4 be the final game?
>>502041478No. We just got done with the Dark Seeker saga. 4 will be the start of a new saga.
>>502041478No, but V will be
>>502042986Why V?
>>502046295Because Nomura is writing IV to be a story that can be finished, which means the Lost Master Saga will not be nearly as long as Dark SeekerThe X saga already pretty much set up all the prerequisite lore and plot, all IV needs to do is wrap Sora into the conflict and then V resolves it
>>502032476>he doesn't know
>>502007234No that was Kitase but literally everyone in Japan loved Twin Peaks to the point they would hold mock Laura Palmer funerals
>>502053220Is this Loss?
Nothingness is eternal!
>>501980787>You are never getting SRK together in a party in any capacity
Is there a point in even getting into the series now that Square Enix are about to go bankrupt and the series most likely won't be finished
I want to play Kingdom Hearts. Is there a point in even getting into the series now that Square Enix are about to go bankrupt and the series most likely won't be finished?
>>502046721>Because Nomura is writing IV to be a story that can be finisheSource?
>>502067216Yeah its legitimately fun.
>>502073449Don't listen to this guy. None of the games are worth playing except KH2.>>502067216See above.
>KH franchise ends with Sora sacrificeIt wouldn't be a terrible way to go honestly.
>>502077662It ends with Kairi dreaming up sick beats.
Okay so what's the crack theory on how she got there? She does say he was right, so I guess YX brought her here after she got merced in KH1?
>>502032476>Cartoon characters are not actors in Kingdom Hearts.They're all actors in Kingdom Hearts. Even the OCs are actors.
>>502092197>>502032476The entire "actor" concept is the most anti-fiction thing ever and I hate it. I only like when its a meta fourth wall breaking thing of Mickey being aware of his fictional existence and crossing over into our world and knowing he's a cartoon, but if its a case "nah its all fake, Mickey is just an actor putting on a show" then it's terrible and ruins all of it and Mickey himself.
>>502096486Does it really ruin it for you that every character is an actor? The way Disney does it is that every character is just playing themselves anyway.
Had a question desu.. I assume people here played COM, beating riku and larxene were hard enough but how does one beat axel if he burns your shuffle?
>>502067938>Lastly, do you see the ending of the Kingdom Hearts series in the future?>Nomura: To give you a realistic answer, I’m approaching retirement age, so it’s becoming a race between retirement and finishing the series (laughs). However, I am creating Kingdom Hearts IV with the intent of leading toward the series’ conclusion.Not that anon but it wasn't V it was IV. But it does lend itself to the idea of V being the conclusion if Nomura follows through on making Verum Rex after KHIV. >Melody of Memory featured a woman who was familiar with Quadratum. She was only voiced and not shown, but will she appear in KHIV?>Nomura: That is still a secret. As I said at the event, there was a time when I wasn't sure whether I would choose KHIV or VERUM REX as my next project. However, she is a central VERUM REX character. There seems to be a lot of anticipation for VERUM REX overseas (bitter smile). When Yozora was first introduced in KHIII, I got the impression that his reception was less than welcoming, but I guess that was not the case.Don't know how this fits into that Phase 2 infographic if it even means anything now. Maybe Phase 3 is mainly made up of Verum Rex and KHV.
>>502096486The cartoons being actors goes back to the early Disney animation of the 20s and 30s when the characters were more like performers or mascots. That's what Roger Rabbit is harkening back to hence why it's set in the 40s, it's just being faithful to the time. But around then Walt also wanted to move animation forward and get people to take it seriously which led to feature length films like Snow White and Fantasia. It's just the evolution of animation. The cartoon actor thing being a vestige of an era where animation was mostly viewed as a gimmick or magic trick.I forget exactly what Mickey's deal was in Epic Mickey. Was he purely an actor there or did he just exist in a cartoon world and become aware he was fictional? He recognizes the Walt Disney statue. But I think it's fine when the cartoon world has a life of it's own and the characters exist independently, but there can be crossover and the real world influences the fictional. It's kind of the distinction between how they treated the Looney Tunes in Space Jam vs Back in Action.Even if they did a Roger Rabbit world they'd have to make it fit into the existing Disney lore KH has like they did for Country of the Musketeers. So it'd probably be a place where cartoons travel from other worlds to become stars and Judge Doom wants to shut all that down deport the toons and build a freeway where they set up their neighborhood Toon Town.
>>502084694I think the ultimania said or implied it was Ansem but I could be wrong. You see him there in his hooded form so I thought it was a safe assumption. Hooded Ansem and Young Xehanort both have that ability to ferry hearts around and move to different times. They call her Phantom Ursula so it's probably her taken by Xehanort/Ansem from the moment of her defeat and brought to past Destiny Islands so she can get revenge. On the other hand the Japanese version calls her an illusion so maybe she's just a figment of a dream Xehanort somehow cooked up. She might even be Ursula's Heartless brought there by time travel. They'd never use that terminology because of Disney but it reminds me of Scar who was also described as a ghost/phantom.
>>502084694She was brought from the future by Xehanort. Remember that Young Xehanort would have been able to travel to this point in time, in this exact world at this exact moment thanks to Ansem existing in this exact time, exact world, exact moment. Young Xehanort probably thought to test Sora and Riku a bit before the world falls and since it's a world surrounded by water, the perfect villain to use for this situation would be Ursula who also just so happens to have connections to both Sora and Riku as well. So he brought her to the past but because you can only travel as a heart, Ursula probably had to give up hers hence why she's referred to as a phantom.
>>502097847With SE's console gaming division seeing such a decline in profit year by year to where it makes up like 1% of their overall profits and how they are the division that racks up the most expenses, it's gonna be real hard for Nomura to try to greenlit Verum Rex as a console game at this point. He'd only probably be able to get away with atleast KH5 after KH4. If SE wants to try reducing expenses, they might sadly just have Verum Rex be some DLC expansion for KH4 and given a 0.2-esque campaign or some mobage title. I'd also say maybe MMO but that wouldn't make sense for Verum Rex.
>>5015455491 million unshowered AguasEwww
>>501574168>those eyesUchihas can't get a damn break
Phew, we almost fell into darkness, like /xgg/.
>>502128892If the heart desires to be smothered by darkness, then we should let it do as it desires.
For what purpose does Missing Link serve for KH4? What do you think will happen in the other reality for Sora to really make a new saga out of to connect back to union and dark road?
So far BbS has crashed on me three times (6.5 hours of play) and once there was a visual bug with transparent assets like Stickers, Unversed Missions and the particle effect when placing stickers in the albumHow are the PC ports this old and this stuff still isn't patched out?
>>502137484After playing through the ps3|ps4 versions.. I dun want to look at it again D: have to ask are your drivers updated?
>>502138646Yeah, and the crashing problems I had with KH1 were patched out months ago
>>502137484What's your specs?
>>502134242With the lore they introduced so far I can see it connecting to some things. But there's a lot of opportunities.>Sigurd narrates the KH4 trailer (suggesting he's in it in some capacity) maybe he's still living in Scala in the present day and will meet Mickey>The Astral Dimension seems to be related to the Final World (similar to Unchained being the Sleeping Realm) given that it's said to connect existence and nonexistence, we see Sora awaken there again after vanishing, he and Yozora wander there in their dreams and Nameless Star is there too>We might get more insight into Luxu's plan and Ava's whereabouts>Potentially reveal Demyx's somebody and maybe Luxord's if he wasn't originally from Quadratum>KH4 could employ the Astral Dimension in some way as a means for Sora to travel to the Disney worlds from Quadratum
>>502139284I dunno, more than I need to run these gamesMy GPU is an Nvidia 3060
>>502074847>All of the games are worth playing besides 0.2FTFY
>>5021421800.2 is fun watch your mouth.
>>502142180The fuck problem could you possibly have with 0.2
>>501541879She's a keychain!
>>502143173No aqua micro bikini costume
https://youtu.be/BxwQVKy5Zpg
>>502149504Maybe stop shitposting
>>502149626It isn't a fucking shitpost. It's a genuine post about how the Nintendo Switch has games with worse graphics and artstyles than a game from the early 2000s. Are you stupid? Clearly you are.
NEWS:https://x.com/midiplex/status/1856698144102506646Yoko Shimonura has a fever
>>502149504>Bitch just gave me a warningYou got nailed by a mod then. Janitors cannot issue reports or bans. /v/ has no janitors and anyone trying to is in for a lesson in futility.
>>502151013>reportsI mean warnings, obviouslyAlso mods are global so there's no "/v/" mod. It could've been any of them.
>beat entire game on level 1 >hop on my level 99 save file >every single data fight is laughably easy so much that I beat all 13 in speedrun time
>>502153142Larxene is hilarious with max stats, wait until her clones start charging at you and one reflect will take out six bars of health.
>>502150471Since they did something wild like a rhythm game what other genres should Kingdom Hearts be used in?
>>502154136Stealth, RTS, and VN
Wonder if they'll ever reveal what their birthnames were.
>>502151013>>502151160In that case, there's a mod who's absolutely anal about anyone on /v/ criticising Nintendo, and he's posted in this very thread.>>502149626Nice 7 day ban btw, lmao.
Extra Derpy Fortune Teller.She'll tell you you're fortune about something completely non sensual, like your luck in getting a crit in a video game later
>>502157447That's if she can even focus on the right client.
Have you thanked Ripple Drive for existing today?
What do you all think about this Keyblade?
>>502158624>no keychain>no guardShit.
>>502158624How exactly do you hold it?
>>502157423How weird. Nothing about your post was more inflammatory than the average /v/ thread, and that video on KH1s art design was pretty awe inspiring. Are we at a point where the discord moderators won't even permit the comparison of tendie games to other franchises? That's worse than Reddit mod behaviour
>>502157423>he said "shitposting," that means he's the same person as this other post on a separate board, and it's also the janny who gave me a warning, and he's stalking me!!!Oh, I see, you're just deranged
>>502159330By the handle
Verum Rex Mickey Mouse reveal
>>502166980Gummiship is old and busted. They should fly around in something like this instead.
>>502171543I'm surprised Riku never made his own gummi ship. You'd think he'd take the opportunity to make his own supercool Highwind.
Nothingness of Nothingnesses
>>502171829Actually, that's a good question, how does everyone else travelBBS trio can open gates with their keyblades and fly with their gliders, Mickey definitely has his own gummi ship, although I'm not entirely sure if he's using it in the games, Yen Sid has that magical star that can send you to different worlds, but what do Riku and Kairi do? Riku can definitely open gates, and I think the new fairy clothes can serve the same protection as the armors, but I think you still need to be able to fly to actually get through Do they just hitch a ride, have that Yen Sid star, or actually have their own offscreen ships? Sora has dozens of them, so it doesn't seem unfeasible, but it would be nice to know for Riku specifically, given how the whole journey started for them
>>502186718Riku uses a Gummi ship. Kairi bums rides off other people.
Quick smug Parasol Beauty I think it took maybe 3 minutes
lite
According to a leaker the next time we can expect ne
>>502211332RIP
>>502186718>Do they just hitch a ride, have that Yen Sid star, or actually have their own offscreen ships?Scrooge likely has his own gummi ship, I forget if that's mentioned anywhere but he sort has to have one to be in Radiant Garden. Cid knew all about gummi blocks too and assisted with the evacuation of Radiant Garden to Traverse Town so he had one at some point or he used Scrooge's. Yen Sid or Mickey probably just sends for a gummi ship to pick up Sora, Riku and Kairi from Destiny Islands. Or Yen Sid gets Merlin or Fairy Godmother to use their all-powerful teleport magic to bring them wherever. There's probably a lot of gummi ships we don't see.And I don't think we even know how Riku and Mickey got to the Realm of Darkness at the start of 3. Riku doesn't seem able to use the Lanes Between and is probably unwilling or can't open Corridors of Darkness anymore.
>>502211792>he sort has to have one to be in Radiant GardenThe gummi ships shouldn't exist until after Terranort's experiments broke down barriers between worlds, that is after all what gummis are made ofI agree that Scrooge would absolutely be the kind of guy to get one, but in BBS it would probably have to be one of the magiciansSpeaking of that, Zack being in in Olympus in that time period always made me wonder if Cloud or Sephiroth were from there as well>how Riku and Mickey got to the Realm of Darkness at the start of 3It is actually stated before Sora goes to rescue Mickey and Riku from Anti Aqua, Kingdom Key D (and its derivative Star Cluster) has the ability to open a gate there
>>502218120Mickey's star shard is a gummi block according to the wiki, so they could theoretically exist before Terranort, but if Mickey had a gummi ship he wouldn't have needed the star shard to begin with.
>>502211332Disney strikes again
>>502219780interesting, didn't know thatBut I imagine it was a rarer individual shard mined thanks to some random darkness nigga from the age of Scala, as opposed to post BBS era where enough of them started falling out of the sky for people to make whole ships with
>>502084694wasn't this a dream?
>>502220939They hadn't entered the sleeping worlds yet.
>>502221021I think it's the opposite. That was the only point they were in the sleeping worlds. Everything after that was Mr. Xehanort's Wild Ride, a dream within a dream
>>502221821They were in the sleeping worlds, but Xehanort's plan had them veer off course.
waiting for missing link like
>>502195781DiZ is honestly the most hateable character who isn't a villain pre-character development
>>502232316DiZ is right about everything. TND
>>502229763I'm very curious about Elrena's time in Enchanted Dominion. Would Maleficent have made Elrena a minion that caused trouble for Prince Phillip and the rest of the worlds denizens? Is the dark fairy's influence where Elrena's original sweet and kind personality turned acidic, or is that anger of losing her old life, or both? Elrena was seemingly too busy with both Organizations to meet up with Maleficent but now that she's free will they team-up again, like Elrena helping out in the search for the black box? Unrelated to all that but I want Elrena to meet Aqua and Terra. The savage nymph is very good at pressing peoples buttons and getting them angry. Elrena has endless ways to pick at sore spots and their supposed failings, it would be interesting to watch unfold. Elrena will have an interest in Ventus, so this meeting will happen eventually.
>Nobodies
>>502236458They'll make her personality revert and have her be a very boring female character with like one or two scenes where she gets angry and Larxene comes out for a few seconds.
>>502236949I hope not. I want her bully personality to stay even if she's no longer scheming against Sora. My ideal situation is Elrena and Lauriam being chaotic wild cards instead of fully joining Good Guys or Bad Guys.
Give me Missing Link
>>502246849https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VV051XaJPA
>>502247436>237 million yearsToo much content. Give me less.
>>502247702https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM5VC7nCv_Y
>>502247894Thanks
>>501541879i REALLY like this onahole
>>502220786So Scrooge probably arrived in Radiant Garden via Star Shard, which was a rare material back then but he's rich and Mickey's king so they got one each. But Mickey's one seems to be damaged which is why it doesn't work properly, guess he drew the short straw. Then after BBS Disney Castle developed the gummi ships and Scrooge and Cid seemed to be involved with that and creating a transportation network of some kind. You mentioned Scala but I don't think we've seen any traditional keyblade wielders use gummi technology? Sora does but he got that from Disney Castle. Maybe the Ark has something to do with gummi technology because it was the pods were designed to reach other worlds and then Xehanort ends up building one to send Kairi away. But if it is gummi tech it's a lot weaker given the pod doesn't arrive with the passenger. Maybe in Kairi's case it did because she wasn't traveling through time so the pod and her body didn't melt away. >the mayor of Destiny Islands has the pod Kairi arrived in down in his basement like the Kents have Superman's rocket in their barn.
>>502251219I think you should stop posting and also stop breathing, just in general
>>502236458We've never really had an original character living in a Disney world before. The Final Fantasy characters appearing in Olympus come close to that though especially Zack who's armor even fits the world. Maybe Elrena was to Maleficent what Cloud was to Hades; her champion, one of her top minions who could take down her enemies for her.I was thinking if there would ever be an opportunity to show that in a game and I guess they could still do it by having Mickey search for Terra, Ventus and Aqua between BBS and KH1 by visiting all the worlds they'd been to, so he runs into Elrena in Enchanted Dominion and has to fight her. Sure Mickey and Larxene never interacted in KH3 even in their boss fight but to be fair Sora arrived after it'd started anyway so nothing contradicts it.On the other hand I don't see Lauriam in the exact same position under the Evil Queen. Because of how manipulative he can be as Marluxia and his connection to flowers and the reaper I figured he'd be working in her apothecary making potions and poisons for her or something using flowers and herbs. Or maybe he's more of a royal advisor if that's too scientific for his character.
>>502254925Its been forever since I saw Snow White bit she hires someone as assasin and has sleeping curses which seem to fit Lauriam's powers and role.
>>502232316I fucking hate Chicken Little more than you could ever know.
>>502255478Terra takes that role in BBS.
I forgot how small Snow White's cast is. I get it's an old film but were there any characters in the world besides the ones in picrel? Dwarf Woodlands might be the most faithful KH world because it's as desolate as the movie. At least Elrena has random medieval peasant ladies, Lauriam's on his own there and if the Evil Queen's already dead that's it.
who dis?
>>502258391me
news...
>>502260307the jug of water is the incident
>>502260702Nomura forgot to give the sweatshop anything to drink, so the big news is that KH is delayed until they can train a new sweatshop.
>>502264335James Woods is the only one that should ever play hades as long as he lives.And with his super right-wing views, this will never happen. VAing is one thing but live action is another.
>>502266104Isn't it part of his contract that he's the only one who can play him?
light within light
Square Enix is currently collaborating with h.a.n.d. on a Days remake. Titled "Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days HD ReMIX", it is being developed in Unity with PS2-era KH assets. Cutscene animation and voice acting are being reused from the 1.5 movie, with select missions receiving new voicework. The multiplayer mode and mission mode from the DS versions will not return. Reveal and release are currently planned for 2025.Preliminary work on a similar Re:coded remake started at around the same time. If the Days remake performs well, h.a.n.d. will continue their work on that too, using the Days engine as a foundation.When development on Re Mind was completed, the intention was for the Osaka staff to use the assets they had made to develop several smaller-scale titles simultaneously with KH4. COVID and other factors, such as KH4 eating up many more resources than expected, tore these plans apart.Square Enix and Disney want to expand the series' audience as much as possible before KH4 releases, with the Steam ports, remakes, and Missing-Link all being parts of that plan. KH4 is currently scheduled for the end of 2026, but it might slip into 2027 depending on how development proceeds.
>>502276663The only thing here that checks out is KH4 slipping into 2027.
>>502276663>convert Days into a fully single-player game>retain mission structureFake and gay
What phenotype is this?
dorkness
Nothing within Nothingness.
>>502254925I like the idea of these Shonen villains living in a Disney world and causing trouble. I wonder if they met the main cast of those movies and have current day grudges/appreciation. And I like the idea of Mickey having old history with Elrena and/or Lauriam, I could really see this happening if those .5 stories are ever shown. Elrena has some parallels with the main cast. Riku was corrupted by Maleficent but was saved by Sora, but one showed up to help Elrena. Elrena/Aqua had their old lives taken away from them and stranded in a place they didn’t want to be. And like what happened to Ventus, Elrena was ‘adopted’ by a super villain who was more interested in using them than a true apprenticeship. Makes sense that she’d take Xigbar’s offer to leave and do something else with her life. But I wonder if Elrena has at least some affection towards Maleficent, I wonder how she’d respond if Lauriam wanted to attack the dark fairy for defeating him way back when. It turned out Xehanort was using Dwarf Woodlands’ magic mirror. I wonder if Lauriam ever used it. The knowledge he could get from that could open a lot of doors and possibilities.
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>>502266584don't think so given someone else played Hades in once upon a time (which is a disney show)
I feel bad for Ienzo, Lea, and Isa. They were all good kids that Xehanort/Xemnas and Braig/Luxu turned into their little sociopaths. Zexion seemed totally loyal to the Organization while Axel and Saix hated Xemnas from the start and wanted to get their lives back. Even then Axel and Saix ended up fighting each other.
>>502310528I wonder how Axel and Saix's search for the missing girl will go. Will Yensid and Mickey and the rest help them or will they do it by themselves? How would they even solve the mystery?
>>502312590Is the Ark still in Radiant Garden? Because they kind of have a time travel and device that can go to Unreality sitting in their basement if so. Which is what Im assuming Luxu did to Skuld.
>>502260307I just got lost in another R=U thread because I was bored and miss KH speculation please help me
>>502256940Doesn't Dark Road or KHUX imply Disney worlds kind of go on a loop or something? I still haven't watched that shit.
>>502312792>Is the Ark still in Radiant Garden?It was part of Radiant Garden whose remnants were accumulated in the End of the World, but it may have returned back once that world was unmade.>Which is what Im assuming Luxu did to Skuld.I don't think it's as complicated as that. I think Luxu just opened a corridor of darkness and shoved Skuld in, sending her to a far-distant world to keep her away from Xehanort. She pens her own Secret Report entry in KH3, saying she's still wandering, no closer to finding out who she is than she was ten years ago.
I just realized Kunio Okawara (Gundam and Brave designer) has now done Mickey Mouse and a Final Fantasy boss.
>>502315673>WoFF 2 confirmed to never happen nowIt hurts
>>502313041It's more like they're frozen in time until an outsider comes to witness their story In UX you only see future projections/simulations of them, hence why they're mutually exclusive to their depictions in KH1/2/BBSIn Dark Road we see their real forms, ans most of them happen very shortly before the KH events, even though the OC cast experienced nearly a century between themThe main notable exception would be Olympus, since BBS>KH1 implies it is aligned with the outside timeline, and Dark Road doesn't put any characters there that would contradict itmaybe it's because of its cosmic relation to death or something
>>502296645>I could really see this happening if those .5 stories are ever shown.Yeah. I remember Nomura saying Mickey and Pluto were exploring other worlds at the start of KH1 trying to find an entrance to the Realm of Darkness. Mickey got to Traverse Town the same way Sora did but we don't know which world he was in when it was consumed by the heartless. I figure it might've been Pinocchio's world because that one disappears right at the start of the game. >It turned out Xehanort was using Dwarf Woodlands’ magic mirror. I wonder if Lauriam ever used it. The knowledge he could get from that could open a lot of doors and possibilities.Maybe he asked the mirror about his lost memories and it told him about Castle Oblivion which is why he was interested in going there. Because that's where Ventus and Darkness are and it's the best way to get answers at least concerning Strelitzia. Ofc he doesn't know about Ventus but that's why the mirror pointed him there like the clues it gave Xehanort.Side note it's funny how op the Magic Mirror is that it might see even more than MoM but then a lot of Disney characters are low key stacked compared to the OCs. Merlin's time bullshittery is in a league of it's own.
>>502316730Does it know when we will get KH4 news?
>>502317120>The fate of KH4 was determined by the incident of yore>Many months the wait will span, until cometh the Dorito Man>He'll bring word the coming fall, that will bring joy to KH fans one and all
>>502316327Time definitely moves slower in most of the Disney worlds in Dark Road but they keep it pretty vague by not showing Aurora in Enchanted Dominion, the upperclassmen could've visited in the 15 or so year gap where the 3 Good Fairies are keeping her hidden from Maleficent and raising her. Same with the Beast I think the movie implies the curse lasted at least 5 years, Jafar is a sorcerer too so he might by older than he looks. So if all those worlds are a couple of years before we see them in BBS and KH1/2 and time moves slower 50 years passing outside of them kind of makes sense. And then there's Wonderland but things and just weird there. And Hades is immortal.
>>502312792The ark is probably how Kairi and maybe Mickey are going to go to Quadratum. Everyone is going to have their own methods of getting into Quadratum. >Sora's punishment>Riku through Nameless Star>Donald and Goofy through Hades>Kairi and Mickey through the ark.>Potentially Maleficent and Pete piggybacking Luxu and the foretellers if they can travel freely between
>>502282163Stabbable
>Let me tell ya Xehanort will be tremendous. He's doing things that've never been done before it's incredible. Have you seen what he can do with that earth magic I think he calls it? He can make pillars come out of the ground like it's nothing, unbelievable, he's a builder Xehanort not a destroyer. The other keyblade people, the fake lights I like to call them, slander him but he's the real deal, they say he's corrupt but I think they're corrupt. He'll keep the darkness in check. I mean it's a total disaster what Scala was letting happen. The Heartless have been flowing in from the Realm of Darkness and they did nothing. And then one of their students kills his whole class, very sad. Truly a sick society to let that happen, Sleepy Odin that was letting that happen under his watch. But Xehanort he will fix it we will make the Realm of Light darkness free again. We have a healthcare plan to inject Lux into the veins of every person in every world, get em darkness free. We'll get Kingdom Hearts under control Xehanort has big plans for that I think.
>>502332638Do you think MoM chuckled to himself seeing this happen?
>>502334607I think that Luxu getting stabbed was the MoM's whole goal, everything after that is just a bonus.
Retarded theory time and I'm high right now.Namine is part of a race of beings known as the 7 ancient pure lights that came from the X-blade breaking apart along with the 13 pure darknesses like Vanitas. As those darknesses could gain form and pass onto people's hearts, the lights clearly have shown the same ability and it's why the PoH can pass on those pure lights onto a new PoH with time. Eventually one pure light would find their way to Kairi and that light was Namine. It explains why Namine took none of Kairi's properties like her heart or body or even memories when she gained her own separate physical form from Sora releasing Kairi's heart. At the same time, Kairi then lost her pure light when Namine was separated from her and was no longer PoH status for a year until she met Namine in KHII and Namine returned to Kairi's heart. That's why Kairi can still be considered a PoH unlike the previous batch like Snow White, Cinderella, Jasmine, etc. Those girls passed their pure lights over to the New Seven like Rapunzel, Elsa and Anna but Kairi just got hers back. But now that Namine is now separate once more again as of the end of KHIII, Kairi once more lost her pure light and is no longer a PoH. Namine is not a Nobody and she was only referred as such because DiZ didn't know what else to call her. She is the manifestation of one of the 7 ancient pure lights like Vanitas is for the 13 darknesses.
>>502334135rent freeSora would vote for him
>>502236458there's a bit somewhere between the investigation where elrena and her chirithy are playfully bantering together and it made it feel like she's always kind of been this way so idk. i have hope for her to shine..
>>502340632>Kairi then lost her pure light when Namine was separated from her and was no longer PoH status for a year until she met Namine in KHII and Namine returned to Kairi's heart. That's why Kairi can still be considered a PoH unlike the previous batch like Snow White, Cinderella, Jasmine, etc. Those girls passed their pure lights over to the New Seven like Rapunzel, Elsa and Anna but Kairi just got hers back. But now that Namine is now separate once more again as of the end of KHIII, Kairi once more lost her pure light and is no longer a PoH.Good catch. They've mentioned True Light a bunch of times in the series and given the existence of True Darkness I think it's pretty possible we could get something like that yeah. It lines up Vanitas with Ventus too. It's also a clever way of making the Princesses of Heart relevant while avoiding any Disney restrictions because the True Lights inside the Princesses can be separate original characters.But if the Princesses of Heart are the vessels for the True Lights and humans all used to be pure light in ancient times before they were infected by darkness, what are the implication of that for True Darkness? Were there regular darknesses like humans would be considered regular lights? This for me gets into the question of whether there were humans of pure of light and darkness in ancient times residing in the Realms of Light and Darkness and the Keyblade War started between them and that birthed True Light and Darkness when the χ-blade shattered. Or was it just all humans of pure light fighting each other for the χ-blade? I've gone pretty far off into speculation territory here but I feel like it has to be something in that area.
>>502353684True Darkness once had forms before giving them up. Since they along with the 7 True Lights came from the X-blade, I presume that they got their forms there and then Darkness began trying to affect people. People use to be mostly light but the 7 pure lights are far more pure than people. So like how Sora and Ventus managed to shape Vanitas aka a True Darkness, Sora and Kairi managed to shape Namine aka a True Light.
>>502340632this theory makes sense and does hold unless kh4 tells us kairi still has her pure light
>>502354608Well it might just be that people were pure light originally but corruptible whereas True Light can't be tainted because it comes from the χ-blade; an extension of Kingdom Hearts. And Vanitas accepting that he was darkness at the end of 3 when Ventus tells him he shouldn't have to choose could suggest the same of True Darkness, they can be reshaped by light but they can't be diluted by it or anything. And yeah if we're going off this theory that's what I was thinking. That True Darkness and Light were born from the χ-blade with physical forms but lost them in the war.
They touched on this with End of the World but what if the Realm of Darkness itself was alive like a giant Heartless or something.
>>502358041That would be insanely cool.
>>502357727The thing that always confuses me is the distinction between True Darkness and lesser darknesses, since the main conflict is with the big guys and they're the supposed source of all the corruption, but since MoM studied the X-Blade, and the keyblade war that would by implication shatter it happened during his lifetime, it had to first be against the 'regular' darkness guys
>>502312792>>502315082The castle in KH2 was pretty messed up, it's possible the Ark was destroyed with the fall of Radiant Garden and what Sora saw in the World Terminus was a memory of it from Kairi's time in his heart or something. Or the Nobodies had it moved somewhere else. I don't think the Cavern of Remembrance is strictly canon but if the Garden of Assemblage was built in the Rising Falls area between KH1 and KH2 then the Organization could've returned there to recover their research and other things from their time as Apprentices. Xemnas made regular trips the Chamber of Repose after all so it's not like none of them ever went back there.>>502324384Mickey's going to Scala but that could lead him back to Radiant Garden if there's info about the Ark there. Or Mickey uses a Dive Station if any of those still exist from the Missing Link era. That might function like the Ark if it can get him to the Astral Dimension between realities and maybe there's a way to Quadratum from there via a distortion.
>>502357727>>502358881It just means that after the True Lights and True Darknesses came from the X-blade, both Namine and Vanitas were given their physical forms. They only look like their current selves because of the people who later defined them(Sora/Kairi for Namine and Sora/Ventus for Vanitas). They're called True because they're light and darkness that can't be stained in any way but can affect others. The people once were mostly light but them fighting for the light of Kingdom Hearts is what led to them falling to darkness when they fought in the Keyblade War.
>>502359621>I don't think the Cavern of Remembrance is strictly canonThis does make me wonder, I know the mirage arena is (probably) not canon and so is the KH1 Sephiroth fight, but is there anything else that's clearly not canon in terms of side content? CoR is probably not canon.
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So we're theorizing that Namine is a similar existence to Vanitas? How plausible is it really?
>>502362469It actually does make a bit of sense, I don't know about her being as ancient as Vanitas though, but I mean she's not really a nobody, she's something else, I know DiZ thinks of her as a nobody in the truest sense of the word, but that could be his limited understanding.
>>502361783I want to believe.
>>502362469There's nothing so far that actually disproves the theory. A lot of people thought Vanitas was just Ventus' dark half given form but we later learn he was his own preexisting entity which explains his weird existence and why he's capable of creating an entire species of creatures based on his emotions.Namine too is an anomaly in that she fits none of the qualities of a Nobody. Even special Nobodies like Roxas and Xemnas fit the criteria while Namine fits none. She's only a "Nobody" because DiZ didn't know what else to call her. Just like how Vanitas doesn't fit any qualities of a Heartless but some people might just call him that because they wouldn't know how else to categorize him. Now that we got lore on how Vanitas' true origins, it's possible Namine might be similar.
>>502334135posts like these are the reason I still come here, thanks for the laugh
>>502362775DiZ admitted that Namine was an anomaly and he only called her a Nobody because he didn't know what else to call her.
>>502358881This part of Xehanort's report is interesting taking your theory into consideration;>defenders of the lightIf we go with your theory then MoM would be a defender of True Light and the only survivor it seems.>servants of darknessThis is where it gets tricky. Were they humans like MoM but corrupted by True Darkness or a different race of pure darkness from the Realm of Darkness that looked human? Either way it seems like these guys were wiped out.>those who sought to reconcile the twoI guess these would've been people trying to stop the war in the first place consisting of people who didn't want to join either of the other groups.>those motivated by nothing more than lust for powerI feel like this last one fits the end of the war with the Foretellers and their Unions where it was really about lux/power more than any crusade against light or darkness.And then there's this;>We know so little about the Keyblade War—only that it was just the beginning. Amidst that crisis a precious light was found.Is Xehanort talking about True Light when the χ-blade shattered then? Or is he just vaguely referring to Kingdom Hearts?
namine being one of the original 7 lights would be a retcon
>>502365082Yes, it would be interesting though, you have this character so wrapped up in her lack of existence but it turns out she's retarded and did actually mean to exist.
>>502365082Not exactly because Namine is an enigma altogether. She's not even supposed to exist since Kairi being a PoH means she can't produce a Heartless or Nobody. Even the whole "Kairi using Sora's body as a substitute to accidentally create Namine" was just DiZ theorizing and trying to make some sense out of Namine's existence. >>502365307You could chalk it up to Namine having her memories of her past unchained despite her powers over memories(mostly relating to Sora and people connected to Sora)
>>502367219It should be Terra because his strength stat is so high.
>>502362469>>502365848The thing that makes me doubt this Namine=True Light thing is that they never mention her being super light related or anything afaik. Correct me if I'm wrong and they do say something about her being radiant etc. She does have that doll of herself with angel wings in Castle Obilvion as well so they could do something with that. Joshua in TWEWY had the angel wings and his true form was basically light version of True Darkness.Also the other members of the "KH anomaly trio" Vanitas and Lingering Will have more to them so I wouldn't rule it out. Well mainly Vanitas. Lingering Will to me feels like he might be similar in nature to True Darkness in the sense they're disembodied wills with mind powers, or souls even. And the KH4 trailer mentioned the soul for the first time in ages so maybe that's going to be important again.The thing about Darkness having wills that fade over time without a heart to possess would way of explaining why True Light isn't as active in the series because unlike Darkness it's more passive and doesn't force it's will on people or try to maintain it's selfhood. You could tie that into why Namine is so fragile and ghostly.So if True Darkness is a soul and Lingering Will is too then Namine being a True Light would also be a soul, separate from Kairi's own. But the reason Namine has the semblance of a form can be explained by how Kairi was able to return Sora to his original form when he was just a Heartless in KH1.
Its been a while since I played Uχ, the modern pureblood heartless are the result of true darknesses losing their wills right?
>>502368924I don't think the four that were sealed in the Cable Corridor ever managed to escape. I think the modern Purebloods are the progeny of the one that did manage to escape, that chatted with Luxu when Luxu sent the True Dandelion off. Their goal was proliferation, after all.
>>502368435Also the soul in Kingdom Hearts is life in it's most basic form, pure instinct and drive, which would line up with Xehanort calling True Darkness "the most primitive of shadows" as well.>>502368924I think Dark Road just said they're the result of True Darkness infecting hearts that caused humans to mutate so they'd create darkness of their own leading to Pureblood Heartless being a thing.
>Dark Souls
>>502368435There's plenty of light theme motifs with Namine. Being the "Nobody" of a PoH already makes her pretty light oriented and even then, Namine is such an anomaly that you can pretty much write her to be anything. Also Lingering Will didn't exactly have a soul. It was just the product of Terra's leftover emotions like anger and hate fueling his armor into action. Which iirc is based on Japanese mythology in that fallen samurai would have their feelings left behind on the battlefield and take over their discarded armor. True Darkness however are actual entities with their own individuality. If we theorize 7 True Lights being the same as these 13 True Darknesses, then if Namine is one of the 7, she would be very similar to Vanitas.
Where do souls come from in Kingdom Hearts?
>>502370119I liked the irony that Kairi, a Princess of Heart with no darkness in her heart at all, could open and use Corridors of Darkness safely and at will, because Namine can inherently do that as a Nobody and she became part of Kairi when she returned to her.Now she can't, but it was a fun thing to understand for a while.
Does Vanitas have his memories as True Darkness?
>>502370286I figured they're just with bodies since I figure nobodies still have their souls.
>>502370119I guess it would be more accurate to say LW was created by Terra's soul then
The missing link is still missing
>>502370715Look harder
>>502370762It's been months and I can't find it
The true Missing Link were the friends we made along the way
New thread >>502370945>>502370945
>>502370327Yeah. Definitely an interesting tidbit to be sure. Makes me wonder what else PoH could do besides what we know. Same with Namine. >>502370672In a way, yeah. Terra's soul which holds his emotions left those discarded emotions behind to take over his armor and create LW.
>>502367219What's the highest rated FF and Disney characters?
>>502379786I think it was Goofy and Leon.
