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poe2 will flop

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>>502437268
amen brother, poo2 will fail harder than last sleepoch

>>502437352
concession accepted

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>>502437259
Path of braps!

>>502437259
whomstve

>>502437203
>4-skill combo and have to execute it twice or 3 times for 1 single white pack
we have hours of poe2 footage showing this not happening. if you use two synergistic skills you're going to be using 2 skills to blow up most white packs.
>Combos mean you go slow
nope, lower damage means you go slow: having to spam 1 skill four times takes the same amount of time as casting four different skills.
but combos require more skill to execute and ggg have decided to reward execution by making up the difference in damage.

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My Wife The Witch Won

>>502438025
>reward execution
good luck with that in a grindfest ARPG that normally requires dedication and skill in making a build rather than execution of boring combos over and over

>>502435463
>diablo doesnt and why diablo fucking sucks in comparison because of it
D4 died when they did their first nerfs and it never became fun again. poe2 will do the exact same mistake.

>>502438376
spiritbourne has trillions in damage that refutes your nerf claim, the game died because its endgame was dogshit

>>502438376
it never feels good to work harder for something that you acquired easily last season, it feels like going backward.
the fix to this is to add more content that is harder to achieve the effect of prolonging the experience.

old ggg did this, nu ggg hates making new, challeinging content

>>502438106
there's no trade-off between build design and gameplay execution. you can increase both without them conflicting.

but there IS a tradeoff in your mindset: if the game is just running around blowing monsters up instantly then there's no reason to even make monsters OR builds meaningfully different to each other: every skill is just a 1 or 0-button pack clearer.

iteration of the ARPG genre can't stop dead just because a minority of FOMO autists don't want to have to think while smashing packs

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>poch shill is ai poop spammer

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>>502438662
we all knew

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>>502438662
poo2 and last sleepoch are on the same level, they are sub d4 both in quality and playability

I just hope I can actually see wtf is happening in their next game.

>>502438634
i would prefer a path of exile: part 2, instead of a Path of Dark Souls: Ruthless Edition.

Why would i keep grinding when the ceiling is so low that i can't feel like a god eventually and oneshot things by just looking at them? the endgame currently looks, from what jonathan keeps saying, like you might be slightly stronger and faster than in campaign, but will always stay vigilant or you will get blown up by monsters, if you don't interact with them in a way he wants you to

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biggest retard award goes to whoever put this in the game

>>502438074
Is every corner of the passive Yggdrasil getting a shape-shifting form?

>>502438969
>i can't feel like a god eventually and oneshot things by just looking at them?
because you will be able to do this, you're just going to need more of an item lead relative to the content than in poe1.
there's gameplay footage on youtube where someone finds a good item and starts 1 tapping most of the monsters. no doubt in whatever the equivalent of tier 17 maps is, it will eventually be possible to get enough items that you can do the same.
it's just that until then players who apply themselves more will get rewarded with more DPS, so your decisoins about how to play actually have meaning, and the rate of progression to tier 16s isn't primarily decided by how much movespeed you get on your boots.

>>502439459
>he did not hear the reaction of jonathan saying "we will need to balance the items, someone found weapons that were too strong for what i had in mind"

it will be a shitshow, and we all know it

>>502439459
you make it sound like the average player in poe1 just gets to zoom, starting from tier 1 to tier 16, without any form of challenge or incentive of making your character stronger

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>>502439264
i think it's an ascendency blood/dark arts magic scourge demon build which is kino, i doubt anyone else other than druid has this as they don't use magic in that way it won't make sense but there is spell gems for druid transformation, difference is the demon change has the witch's face specifically from what i can tell so that's what's making me think for sure its ascendency unless they made different character models for all 12 classes who knows i cant wait for the live stream let alone the game

>>502439651
he skipped the day they discussed strawmanning in social sciences 101

>>502439518
>for what i had in mind
Calling it now, the EA will at first be a massive success but everyone will be playing it "wrong", then we get an anti-fun patch and the game temporarily dies, after which we get a fix that walks back the worst of the changes while from time to time we get passive-aggressive attempts by Jonathan to sabotage the game for us with new patches.

>>502439651
average poe players are slow and end up overlevelled relative to speedrunners. its one of the things that makes the campaign trivial to the points where you're almost never going to die once you understand the game mechanics, and monsters are basicially interchangeable blocks of hp which die instantly unless you meet a rare with nasty mods.
ggg obviously want to change that and apparently the reaction from casual dads (who take 10 times as long to clear act 3 as Neon) was positive enough that they haven't felt the need to do a massive course correction. but the campaign doesn't have to be boring for experienced players either.

>>502440174
that's the vibes i get from him, spiteful dungeon master because you are not dealing with things in the way he wanted you to

i have no idea how nobody else is getting this vibe from him, when i was a kid i used to be like that too, maybe that's how i am catching this huge red flag?

it shows by a few things:
- "whatever >I< find fun makes it into the game"
- constantly interrupts other people talking during interviews to either get his view in or correct what the other person said
- every ggg person in those interviews almost expects him to interject
- used to be in the background for most of the life of poe1, possibly just for that reason

>>502440174
>>502440513
spiteful dungeon master is how GGG at large actually acts, so this is spot on

>>502437259
pure kino

>>502440508

reminder that the campaign is universally hated not because the content is bad but because the things you do in campaign and the items you find during campaign do not matter one bit, but are just a chore that you need to do to get to the part of the game (endgame) that feels like it matters, because you get to progress your build and in most cases get to play your build

>>502440576
>slightly walks back nerf
>nerfs something else because fuck you
reminds me of 3.15

>>502440576
i heard from bfr his suck game is like no other, a lot better than poe2 apparently

>>502440613
i acknowledge all those points but still dont mind levelling at league start since im usually just talking shit with guildies/friends while pottering along

>>502440629
3.15 was the attempt by ggg to bring PoE1 closer to what the vision for poo2 was (and largely still is), and it blew up in their face big time.

>flask system they attempted in 3.15 was largely what they have been talking about for poo2
>mana costs were brought to a point where they "mattered"
>lots of support gems got slashed in damage multiplier to propagate using worse damage gems for utility

they were smart enough to split the games, but not smart enough to tell that the now split poo2 will still fail because it's universally rejected by the fanbase

>>502440723
i do not hate the campaign like the common redditor, but i don't like it either
the correct way to deal with the campaign being bad as a player is get better and ultimately faster at it, the campaign is not so bad when you beat it in 4 hours and 1.5-2 hours in a twink setup

but ggg thinks they need to deal with the campaign being bad from the pov that the content is bad, not from the pov that it's a chore that doesn't matter in the grander scheme

>acts quest order fully randomized every league
>area order fully randomized every league
>boss every area
>"reward exploring"

all those things are good to make the campaign good the first couple times, but the poe1 campaign was also good the first few times you do it.

these changes and the focus on the campaign ultimately make the campaign even more annoying to deal with in subsequent runs, and it will probably lead to poo2 being a "beat once and don't touch it again" game - not a lot of people are autistic enough to beat elden ring 500 times

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>mfw i will break jonathans carefully crafted extremely tactical 5 skill combat with my bs 1 button build and there is nothing he can do about it

>>502441008
he can and will nerf it after he sees you do it once, simply because you are not playing by the rules he carefully made up in his head over the past 8 years.
if you can't see this coming then i feel sorry for you, early access periods for poe can easily be 2-4 patches per week, with lots of wild balance

Nah you aint getting me jonathan. Im faster than your patches.

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>>502439651
if you watch any speedrunner guide, almost all of the skill ceiling is in stuff that has nothing to do with killing monsters, but stuff like using a regex to buy items from vendors faster. currently you only have to run each map once from whites up to low reds because +tier from the atlas tree makes finding incomplete maps so trivial. lack of DPS in reds is what slows your progression, 2/3ds of the atlas may as well be an extension of the campaign which people constantly claim they want to bypass.

but I don't think poe2 is going to be as different from poe1 as you think. all they've done is taken the item requirements of the part of the endgame where the difficulty stops being completely trivial, and extended it to encompass the entire game, and given us combos that mostly make up the DPS difference so players who git gud can still progress quickly in exchange for pressing more than 1 button.

are you WASDing or keeping up to the mouse?

>>502441001
the thing that made me start to dread what might be coming was when they added those new shit maps like bramble valley (in heist league, i think it was) and said they were a preview of whats to come in poe2
noone like those shit maps

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>what's that Reddit? didn't like the memory game?
>you're in for a treat

>>502441425
>reactive gameplay is not different from poe1

i'll be here, ready to say "told you so" when poo2 turns out just the way it's shaping up to

bro i can get more dmg in poe1 by starting my 'combo' with flammability
how is this more skilled gaming

>>502441553
who are you quoting

>>502441590
>ggg make poe2 monsters more dangerous so that players have to actually apply skill
>baaaw how is this more skilled gaming
what do you want them to do lol?

>>502441405
that smirk?
its jonathan crying while apologising about a nerf patch, while sneaking in more nerfs

>>502441459
they meant the graphics and complexity of the boss models.
its the same difference as the Affliction Wildwood, which uses PoE2-level detail in its assets and particle effects.

>>502441797
i dont want them to do anything. just pointing out that we already do the whole combo shit in poe1 already

>>502441675
>but I don't think poe2 is going to be as different from poe1 as you think.

Poe1 is almost exclusively proactive.
>Get high EHP
>shore up block to 75%
>best case scenario have uncapped leech running in case you take damage
>become immune to ailments before they hit you
>become immune to stun before they hit you
>solve mana

Poo2 is almost exclusively reactive
>Dodge skills after they are telegraphed, but before they are dealing damage
>cleanse ailment after it has been applied to you
>use active block before damage comes in
>flasks are an extension of your life pool
>leech is simplified, meaning you can probably not uncap it or do some op fuckery with it
>life regen gutted
>mana is constantly to be considered

the list could go on but you get my point

>>502441797
i want them to make a game that is worthy of the tile "path of exile 2" where the gameplay is still as retarded and low in interaction, they add new avenues to build your character, up the quality on the visuals, add new classes and ascendancies, and maybe shift some of the content and mechanic bloat

nobody asked for a soulslike and i can't see anyone grind a soulslike for 10k hours like it was possible in poe1

>>502441979
half your poe2 list is applicable to poe1

>>502442217
if those things are an issue to you in poe1 maybe you need to learn how to build your character - my point is that in poe1 you fix these things before they become a problem, in poo2 you fix these things only after or as they pop up, for example you will fix mana with using flasks - in poe1 you fix mana by getting enough leech, regen or another mechanic to deal with it.

>>502442131
id be happy with the same old poe1 but it performs just as smoothly as d3
even with my 7800x3d+4080s rig i dip into the 40s and below when i run a blight inside a map. a blight ravaged map brings me down to the low 20s

>>502442330
never said they were an issue, just theyre not some poe2 exclusive
>mana leech
lol ok so you dont even play poe1

>>502441979
you just conceded

reread the things you listed as proactive options for poe1: you're still going to have all of them in poe2. you're just ALSO going to have reactive options, which will matter because progression is going to be harder if you refuse to use them.

you're just complaining about having to apply yourself.

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>>502442407
>doesn't play poe1 btw
mana leech, often 1-2 points into it, is enough to fix mana for almost all attack-based builds, i have no clue what your point is supposed to be

Poo2 wants you to deal with things reactively, while poe1 allows you to proactively fix things, that is the difference. i was never saying that these things are not a problem in poe1, just the way you fix them is way more convenient and less painful than "oh this thing popped up, press another extra button at exactly the right time"

why did Chris let Jonathan ruin both games and tarnish GGG's name?

>>502442564

>your taste is wrong, and you cannot dislike the direction they are going into with their new game

i will be here to tell you "i told you so" when you discover that a lot of the proactive solutions to common problems will be gone.

>>502442590
hopefully the performance in poe2 is better than poe1 so you can react in time

>>502442678
you are yourself arguing that my taste is wrong you idiot.
>your taste is wrong, and you cannot LIKE the direction they are going into with their new game
look, I just used your own greentext as an argument against you by slightly changing one word!

also you're using argumentum ad populum before poe2 is out, which is hilarious.
if I argued that Elden Ring is popular THEREFORE you are wrong about PoE2 being destined for unpopularity, I would be being more objective than you. but I have real arguments (which you have failed to respond to) so I don't need to do that.

>>502442590
i forgot that attacks can still leech mana, i stand corrected
still salty about the warlords mark nerf...

>>502442987
nta but where was the appeal to popularity?

>>502442590
>Poo2 wants you to deal with things reactively, while poe1 allows you to proactively fix things, that is the difference.
its not a difference, because poe2 still lets you proactively fix things, as you'd know if you'd been paying attention to things like the poe2 passive skill tree. you're just expected to also play reactively if you want to get max progression rate.

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>no form of capitalisation or punctuation
>reddit spacing
This place got infested with aids.

>>502443112
I conflated your post with overlapping doomposts foreseeing Poe2 flopping because different.
a bunch of proactive stuff is literally already on the poe2 skill tree near the character start points.

Are there counterattacks in PoE2 that DON'T require me to press a button?

>>502442987
My belief is that a lot of people think they will enjoy it because they have not given thought about what these things actually mean for the game, even less in the context of hundreds of hours of grind and are mazed by a bunch of flashy trailers. This happens with a lot of games.
I never said elden ring is bad - it's a fantastic game, and i enjoyed playing it, just as i like playing other soulsborne games. i would not, however, dream about grinding for thousands of hours in a game like that because it would be way too mentally taxing to pump those kinds of hours in a game where item progress doesn't even mean shit
again, i will be here to tell you "i told you so" when it all happens in 3 weeks

>>502443443
you WILL press a button for every action and inaction in poe2

poo2 gonna flop niggas it will be kino
ruthless player numbers

>>502443606
I will gaslight everyone into believing tha PoE 2 is an acquired taste and that PoE 1 is for plebians. If PoE 2 fails, it will take down the entire franchise. Say goodbye to your phone game!

elden ring is a bad game
dark souls are a bad game
fucking rollslopniggers

demon souls was kino though

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How's stormshroud not a fucking meme? Just run purity of elements.

>b-b-but then you lose 1 aura slot!

Who the fuck cares? With stormshroud you lose one jewel slot + potentially the points to path towards it AND need to get 100% shock avoidance on your gear while not having the 35+% all res from purity of elements.

>>502443862
i like the name of the jewel
simple as

>>502443862
>50% reservation defence aura vs 50% reservation offence aura

you can never get as much damage with 1 jewel slot + boot mod slot as you can with a 50% damage aura
I personally like purity, but it's only for early progression. If you minmax then 50% reservation budget is worth way more than 1 jewel slot + 1-2 lines on boots
The best way to gain that immunity is ancestral vision

>>502443862
>a 50% aura is just like one jewel and 3 affixes
Post your profile bro

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>>502443862
>using purity of elements
>instead of actual aura that boosts your dmg or survivability

>>502443862
2/4 take
fedexile forgot his tripcode

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Are you ready for the greatest ARPG ever made to be released on Dec 6th?

>>502444245
hypetrainer spotted, get ready for a trainwreck

>>502443862
>theyre changing stormshroud in poe2 to only apply if youve used 3 unique skills recently while a pinnacle boss was nearby
its over poe1 bros...

One game two campaigns
We meant two games two campaigns and we split the development
Whoops 2 leagues a year for poo1
(you are here)
Ok poo1 is shutting down sorry everyone

>>502444353
you missed the last line of ggg getting shut down by tencent after having a good run and fucking up with poo2

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>>502444296
cope seethe dilate

>>502443470
okay that's a belief that I understand, even if it does boil down to "bad because different" you can still have an opinion on what is actually fun for yourself.

my points are:
1) based on stuff Jonathan has said repeatedly, the more afk gameplay style options you think you need to have fun are still in poe2, they are just less optimal because you could just be pressing more buttons to make up the difference.
2) the idea that grinding is more possible with heavily proactive design is a subjective assumption. I could just as easily say that a lot of gamers are finding proactive play less interesting and quitting sooner, lowering the amount they end up grinding.
3) a implicit assumption is that ggg are going to make less money (=be less successful = OMG POE2 WILL FLOP RABBLE RABBLE) if players don't grind the game for thousands of hours. in fact their monetization is skewed towards the start of a league and they benefit more from getting a larger number of players addicted so they buy cosmetics in the first two weeks. if a larger number of players like reactive gameplay, they make more money, even if they grind fewer hours, or (e.g.) come back for shorter periods over the whole length of a league instead of playing 14 hours a day for two weeks then quitting.

furthermore I'd say that the "this happens with a lot of games" argument is flawed because most games are watered down slop that are not trying to be difficult on any level. most games are bad because they're too easy, have no depth and choices don't matter, and compared to that both poe1 and 2 and elden ring are massive outliers.

but I'm saying reactivity in poe2 is an extra choice GGG are incentivizing not the only way to play so really I don't get how you're NOT arguing that you want poe2 to be mechanically easier and have fewer options.

>>502443443
yeah trigger gems exist.

>>502444019
I could challenge your statement before adorned nerf.

i have a theory:

since tencent bought them for an amount, ggg has been actively trying to fail to buy back their stock from tencent at a cheaper rate. all attempts have failed, and poe1 has only gotten more popular over the years - poo2 is there to fix this, the first phases were less and less and longer poe1 leagues, the next phases were the delays and patch fuckup, and the last phases will be a disastrous poo2 launch with patch after patch of spiting players and cratering their reputation and buying back their stock just to fix everything overnight and tell tencent to fuck off

retard here. skipped settlers, playing the race league.

how do I get shields from shipping? trying to get an aegis aurora eventually in SSF but orichalcum only gives me weapons and crimson iron only gives me armor. do shields just come with weapons at a fuck awful rate or what?

Expand your vocab, pajeet

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>>502444807
>in an imaginary scenario that exists only in my head and the past i could win this argument

>>502437086
Nicr

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>>502444929
i have a different theory that they sold their shares and made a deal with tencent to keep their creative input and key studio positions such as chris wilson, jonathan mark etc as leads as a studio but tencent has to expand the studio in terms of developers for PoE2 because GGG alone could not aford to do so.

this shit makes more sense, because chris was not forced to sell his shares neither was the rest of the majority shareholders and they were making profit yearly

>>502444929
>bankrupting myself to own the chinks

>>502443470
>[Elden Ring] it would be way too mentally taxing to pump those kinds of hours in a game where item progress doesn't even mean shit
this sounds like another concession lol.
you're saying Elden Ring isn't grindable for hundreds of hours because it has no meaningful item progression to make the grind more afk... but poe2 does, so... what's your point lmao

Poeg is an elite circle of intellectuals. We dont talk to retards here.

>>502437086
And cool

Why is PoE 2 development so troubled?

>>502445197
more like bankrupting the company they don't own anymore to buy it back for less than they sold it to the chinese for, makes sense to me

>>502445332
Either that OR they are just fucking retarded. One or the other.

If you ever think you're retarded, remind yourself of the fact that there are people who are farming the lab full time.

>>502445329
jonathan is a retarded fuck who has poor impulse control and constantly remakes parts of the game after seeing some shiny new toy in some other game, like dodgeroll, wasd, active block and moving while attacking
chris seems to have given up keeping that retarded child in check and this is what comes of it

>>502445221
might want to brush up on your comprehension skills

>>502445332
You realize shit like this is beyond illegal? Chink lawyers will buttfuck them into generational poverty if real.

>>502445397
occam and his razor strikes again

>>502445502
if you can just "outskill" content in poo2 (lol) then there is no point to keep on grinding to outgear the content because you already beat it

>>502445502
moving while attacking sounds like an upgrade from poe1
>skeleton on the beach gif

>>502445065
https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Kingsmarch#Rewards

there's no way to guarantee a specific tier 2 in a reasonable timeframe, though. the best bet is just to smash juiced tier 17s like for everything else.

>>502445549
I understand what you think you meant, but you did connect those two things in the same sentence. that's why I said "this sounds like another concession" not "this is another concession".

so if you do try poe2, what is your approach going to be? will you get lots of spirit and automate things? or are you planning to devote all your time to claiming the game is bad here?

>>502445940
poo2 will offer no incentive to grind either, because why would you outgear content if you can outskill it, and the grind is in no relation to the quality of life you are going to get.

i'll spend most of my time telling people "i told you so" because i am convicted the vast majority will come to the same conclusions i have, maybe a little slower.
of course i will try it, but i have not yet given thought about what build to play in a game i know very little about in terms of actual balance as to what is best. from what i understand though, you will need to use wasd and you will need to use a lot of combos to play optimally, i will probably try that, hate it and then shit on the game.
simply put: i see no scenario where poo2 is an enjoyable experience for me, but i will give it a shot because surprises do happen.

>>502445940
not that anon
it was just an obvious mistake on your part
ill be trying out summoner when the game launches proper

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>>502445329
Chris Wilson is a dark triad CEO chad (see him talking about scamming people in d2 fucking over his friends for items rmt shenanigans and lying to poomers without a shred of remorse for years). People like that are built to lead projects. Mark and Jon are just pudgy nerds so they can't use others so cynically to get where they want.

>>502446336
>i would not, however, dream about grinding for thousands of hours in a game like [Elden Ring] **because** it would be way too mentally taxing to pump those kinds of hours **in a game where item progress doesn't even mean shit**
sounds like he's saying that the lack of item progression is the reason he can't grind Elden Ring for thousands of hours, which is an argument for playing PoE2 instead. it's his fuckup.

>>502447020
item progression in poo2 will not mean shit either, because you can "just" outskill content rather than grind to be able to do it

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>>502447186
thats like saying because ben actively kills ubers with starting gear the rest of the playerbase wont care about item progression

>>502447527
I am not ben, and thus cannot outskill poe1 mechanic - but that's ok, that game is not built to get outskilled.

poo2, on the other hand, makes you outskill it UNTIL you can eventually outgear it, by your descrpiton.

>>502446332
1) not everyone is going to be able to outskill the content, but people who can't will just progress slower and get more items as a result, so they shouldn't ever fall so far behind that they get constantly rekt like TalkativeTri trying to beat Draven in the LA tryout.
2) if you can outskill the content, it just means you advance faster to harder content while being (relatively) behind on items. but the items you can get are now better, so you shouldn't hit a complete wall where your skill is no longer relevant.

seems like an "everyone wins" situation to me, once ggg get the balance right.

All i am saying is: Mechanical skill is not something i want to matter to a high degree in my lootfest grinder ARPGs, is that such an outlandish opinion to have?
I like ARPGs exactly because it's all about building and grinding, and not about clicking precisely or pressing 15 buttons precisely.

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>>502447623
>I am not ben, and thus cannot outskill poe1 mechanic - but that's ok, that game is not built to get outskilled.
any game can get outskilled and others will be more skilled than you are at poe2 to kill bosses with its mechanics, poe2 because of this is harder and your gear being good will save your life more often than poe1 because you have to interact with the boss mechanics more so. you will want more damage for ubers because their mechanics are harder than poe1 you will want more defense because their mechanics are harder to deal with and you will get hit but not one shot, items will be very important.

>>502437086
if they destroy crafting and make it very barebones they are the biggest retardds imaginabe.

>>502447623
>poe1 is not built to get outskilled
>one player is consistently more skilled than everyone else though

what a mess

>poo2, on the other hand, makes you outskill it UNTIL you can eventually outgear it

anon that's exactly the same as poe1. ubers are much easier when you have 30m DPS.

>>502447965
if you think jonathan will let you outgear his meticulously crafted fights you have another thing coming
the whole design of poo2 screams you WILL interact and you CANNOT outgear these fights
it's legitimately what jonathan keeps getting stuck on in interviews, he thinks it's good gameplay

>>502441405
>>502441334
I have a slight hope that Poop2 fails at launch just to put this retard on his place, he is too braggy and superior to "Poop 1", every single time he opens his mouth to talk about Poop1 is to say how shit it was and his game will be superior, for real, he only have a job thanks to Poop1...

>>502448108
>one savant is proof that the whole game cannot be outskilled on a lower level of play
what a mess

>>502448242
Jonathan doesn't design poe2 bossfights you tourist.

>>502448327
jonathan is a retard that needs to be fired, and it shows more and more that he is unfit for any kind of leading role the more he talks

>people who enjoy poe1 for what it is are doing it wrong

>>502448435
Jonathan is the director, so even if he doesn't make every single aspect of bossfights, he directs and greenlights fights based on his vision.
He makes it very clear that only what "he" likes goes in the game and he is the arbiter of what is good gameplay.

>>502448435
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinding_Gear_Games
>Jonathan Rogers (Technical Director)

>>502448363
at this point its very obvious that you just want passive gameplay to be the default, and are okay with guys like Ben pushing the limits more because you see that as not affecting you.

but in poe2 passive gameplay is still going to be available, via automation with spirit. so, go over why that still isn't enough.

>>502448659
even worse, he is "Game Director" on poo2, a role that chris held for poe1

>>502448565
>>502448659
>if you think jonathan will let you outgear his meticulously crafted fights
you may as well both just admit you are blizzard shills who didn't bother watching any of the poe2 pre-release content but have been told to attack the most visible dev as much as possible.

>>502448703
It's very clear from the lead game director talking that he will do anything he can so you will want to press multiple skills and to disincentivize passive play.
If that is not a huge red flag to you then i have no clue what would tell you that this trainwreck is headed down a cliff.
if you look at even traditionally passive things like minions, then you'd see that even minions incentivize you to both combo things and press buttons to make them do things.
and just to be clear: i don't want RF-level passive play, i like builds that automate things in the background and actively use single spells to a good effect, for example brands or frost nova this league.

>>502448939
i cannot fathom how people don't catch on how jonathan has this aura of feeling superior in anything he says or does around him
it is not his visibility that makes me hate him, it is how he conducts himself. it's a clear sign of unbridled hubris, gained from huffing his own farts.
he constantly either talks down to or over other people and shits on the work ggg has done on the game that helped them get to where they are: poe1

I never did a t17 map or any uber boss even though my build could probably do it. You are free to shame me.

>>502449271
nobody will entertain your kink here, sorry anon

>>502441459
My most hated map. That boss fight is so dark and just a cluster fuck of effects you can't even see. I get the idea behind it but poe1 just isnt built or it

>>502449053
it's FOMO, then.

the fact that the option exists to play more actively is inherent unacceptable to you, because even if you CAN make a passive build, you're going to be constantly seething that your spamming of 1 button isn't doing the same amount of damage as a hypothetical 2+ button player.

options bad, variety bad, skill bad (unless its Ben because he is a tryhard so you don't compare yourself to him). its the game design equivalent of only ever playing meta builds and screeching when they get nerfed.

I mean I obviously disagree and think you should just go play Spiritborn in D4.

>>502449350
I think i said the exact same thing a year or so ago and you replied the exact same thing. What the actual fuck. This is extra weird because people usally take my invitation.

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>>502448939
they are blizzard shills its constant every thread the same rhetoric from the same faggots

>>502449562
the only thing that makes me mad is that ggg is practically abandoning poe1, i did not ask for the slop that is poo2 - anything else, not really mad about. i'll just laugh at the poo2 sloppers when they find out it's not to their tastes and they just got hype trained
The game simply looks like it's out to be as annoying as possible to play just because some grey haired fat retard says that it's good gameplay, when in my pov poe1 already achieved a mixture of gameplay and mechanics that i like.
thinking about it, it constantly feels like jonathan gets pushed in the interviews about being sure about his design decisions, and he constantly says things along the lines of "i think it's good so we're doing it" without budging until 1000s more people tell him that it's shit, best example is flask fountains

>>502449598
sorry, but that wasn't me. i wasn't posting last year because i was busy playing the game because it was in a good state with frequent enough content updates

>>502450043
>the only thing that makes me mad is that ggg is practically abandoning poe1
yeah I mean I do get this, also the fact that it predisposes you to reject all the new features of poe2.
I am going through something related in that playing poe1 has become impossible because of the fact that poe2 is GOING to exist. it sucks because kalguur might be the best single league ever but it has one of my lowest playtimes.
jonathan's "confidence" is just marketing though. if he was actually delusional the game would have come out yesterday and the account database would have immediately crashed the server like during the test. it turns out the decision to delay was correct.

>>502450632
that was not a test, that was their actual try at implementing the system and failing at it

>>502450842
based semantics poster

>>502451083
It's not semantics, there is a big difference between testing something or trying to deploy a patch and catastrophically failing at it

>>502451165
>catastrophically
it would have only been "catastrophic" if they had tried to rollout the account changes on schedule for the original release date, unexpectedly delaying the launch, losing people's MTX data or making the game unplayable for launch weekend. /semantics.

Monday will also be a disaster.

>>502451570
a catastrophic fail in software deployment leads to a rollback.
their attempt at the patch have lead to what?

>>502451578
What's Monday going to happen?

>>502451578
the reveal is on thursday, not on monday

>>502450632
>because kalguur might be the best single league ever
in what fucking world? the league mechanics blows, people only think (or thought) highly of settlers, because of currency exchange

>>502451701
>software deployment
actually, the various account servers GGG are trying to merge data from are a form of hardware.

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>>502438074
Forgot to mention in my post, totally would bang the demon witch

>>502452046
>GGG is digging up the buried database chests

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i just had the grandest of ideas, im going to use bind spectre gem on every coomer design related female enemy in the game and make a sex slave minion army alongside my demon succubus witch wife

oh god its all coming together before launch

>>502452046
>>502452046
please just stop
all of the servers ggg runs are hosted on cloud based hosters like azure and aws and ggg owns zero server hardware
all the databases they were trying to merge are a form of software.
it's very easy to separate: you can touch hardware, but you can't touch software!

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>>502452357
or should i say cooming together heh

>>502452931
i detest weebs, they all need to be gassed

>>502452370
hardware = my cock
software = your cock

>>502448005
Why the entire point is a clean slate that they can build up over time.

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>>502452129
>>502452357
>>502452931
hope some mudslime "asylum seeker" beheads you before you manage to 41% yourself, you pathetic satanic subhuman weeb troon
>>502453000
gassed, or worse

>>502453558
nobody is gonna play a bare-bones "clean slate" game, look at how poe1 did before 3.0

what are the chances poo2 will be a game people play for more than 1 playthrough?

>>502455197
I replayed elden ring when the dlc came out, I'll give poe2 another chance every 4-5 years.

You wont even make it through Act 1, so who cares.
You can't even beat Maven in PoE 1.

>>502455414
take that back i am a 4 watchstone gamer

>>502354205
(went to sleep yesterday hence the delay)
Someone told me that the first thing the maori did once they stopped fighting the british was go and genocide their more peaceful neighbors

>>502443862
>100% shock avoidance on your gear
bro it's 1 MB flask suffix

>>502455902
the person you are replying to has never even seen a mageblood linked in chat, let alone owned one

>>502455976
>5 days
>into 19 days
>into late january

>>502455976
>having equipped a mageblood is unironically seen as a mark of gaming skill by some people ITT
december 6th can't come soon enough

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>>502453000
>>502453807
Use the sweat from the armpits of the sorceress as the divine component to my demise

>>502458067
i'd laugh if it wasn't sad
yes, having acquired a mageblood is seen as a milestone in a players PoE journey, and it is very clear you are not playing on a high enough level to have acquired one
it's not a point of shame that you haven't, but it shows.
it's also very cute that you think that you being a shitter in poe is not going to translate into you being a shitter in poo2

>>502458347
>it's also very cute that you think that you being a shitter in poe is not going to translate into you being a shitter in poo2
i have seen this notion so many times, both here and in game and also reddit. what is the mental gymnastics you have to do think this way?

>>502458347
mageblood is an automation (skill-ceiling-lowering) item that anyone in SC trade can acquire if they farm for long enough to buy it. but you're welcome to use whatever personal definition of skill you like.

>>502458067
I agree it's not a mark of gaming skill but you have to have at least some experience/knowledge of the game or at least have devoted enough time in the game to have it.

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the other pepe guy is kind of a fuckin nigger to be honest and his tumblr pepe abrevations

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PoE requires zero skill whatsoever because you can just outgear everything. Speedrunning is the only thing in the game that takes skill.

That WILL NOT CHANGE IN POE 2 despite what Jonathan says because nobody is going to play a fucking ARPG that takes skill. People play ARPGs to smash.

>>502459198
the lies people tell themselves to feel good about their own ineptitude, it's astonishing

>>502460021
speedrunning will look like a more efficient version of regular gameplay, instead of being a totally different meta.

>>502460021
that is almost true. poe1 requires a different kind of skill: game knowledge
the amounts of money i made just by doing easy crafts and selling them to clueless retards for x3 is astonishing, special thanks to my friend the recumbinator

>>502458515
that shit happens with every game, it's just good old Dunning-Kruger saying hello.
shitter in poe1 will stay a shitter in poe2, regardless of what they are telling themselves to feel better

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Still mad that I lost my HC guy to going AFK.
Tempted to reroll him even though he died with pretty expensive items. Poo2 is just too far away.

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>>502461794
iktftbqhwyf

>>502458515
its all the people screeching that having to press more buttons is going to make poe2 flop. they in many cases state outright that they play poe1 as a mindless timesink; case in point >>502460021

this endorses the notion that PoE2 is going to change the emphasis of the game so that it is broader in its mechanical demands, allowing it to hold the interest of less grind-orientated players.

>>502460021
the skill is knowing how to effectively outgear and how to also acquire said gear in the first place

>>502462601
shitters think that combos and multi-button builds are gonna slow good players down more than it slows them down
little do they know

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>With heavy heart we need to announce another 6 month delay for poo2 as jonathan the grey haired fat retard found another mechanic to implement into our game: third-person camera! settlers also extended 6 more months, see you in summer exiles!

>>502463330
yeah, the charge is that people on poeg who play the game a lot aren't automatically good at it as a result, or there wouldn't be such a chorus of whinging about having to press more buttons. it comes across as self-reporting.

>>502464460
having to press more buttons is not equal to "i can't press more buttons" for me, but more of a "i don't want to press more buttons because it feels shit"
if you enjoy wow-level gameplay then more power to you

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BAMA is the only skill I find fun to play

>>502464619
>image
you are gay so that makes sense

>one butt
>TWO farts xD

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uh no im not

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Sorry, but I'm not really hyped by PoE2

>>502464957
very based, same here.
i am mad ggg is turning on the audience they gathered over years, and completely shits on them to maybe get some more players from a market that will not spend money and will not stay around after doing the campaign once

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>>502437086
>poop of excrement: number 2

>>502464585
wanting to press more buttons isn't equal to "I enjoy wow level gameplay" but more of a "I want the section of gameplay that occurs outside of my hideout to be more intellectually and mechanically compelling".

I'm a starcraft 2 player myself. just a bit more positional and situational variety will be enough. in PoE1 I quit pretty routinely in late yellow maps because the game becomes "click on pack, frost blink, click on on pack, leap slam" with the only sense of jeopardy coming from random one-shots that happen largely because boredom leads me to stop paying attention.

>>502438025
>>Combos mean you go slow
>nope, lower damage means you go slow: having to spam 1 skill four times takes the same amount of time as casting four different skills.
you're retarded if you think it'll work like this in practice
no game, ever, has all the combo moves do an equal amount of damage, or else there'd be no reason to combo at all; the 3rd and 4th hit in this case will do massively more damage. if you miss one of those you have to start from the beginning, and it now takes significantly more hits to kill

>>502465286
>pressing more buttins is an intellectual activity
you seem like a very dim bulb

>>502465352
it's just diablo's builder-spender gameplay, but the resource you're building is just charges or various states the monsters get into, like armour broken, electrocuted and whatnot
getting people excited for builder-spender gameplay is a master move by jonathan, i hate that grey haired fat faggot but hats off to his deception skills

>>502465449
>I don't know what positional and situational variety means

>>502465352
>if you miss one of those you have to start from the beginning, and it now takes significantly more hits to kill
yeah lol so don't miss, that's what skill is for.

>>502465751
mechanical skill in a grindfest arpg, enjoy your dead game

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>another day of ggg destroying what is left of their reputation

>>502465679
>it's just diablo's builder-spender gameplay
that would only be the case if you could use the exact same two-button button combination in every situation, but GGG have repeatedly told us this will not be the case.
the skill design points more towards the optimum being to use our 9 skill slots to make a range of combos for different situations. they're even putting in more monsters with specific resistences so you can't just spec fully into one damage type. just fyi.

>>502466082
>>the skill design points more towards the optimum being to use our 9 skill slots to make a range of combos for different situations. they're
so instead of building your monster-state with one button you can choose one of 4 buttons to build a state to exploit? genius design! jonathan outdid chris wilson from blizzard!
if you can't see a problem with forcing you to combo by putting in monsters with resistances then i don't think you're saveable, use the rope

>>502445134
Yeah thats what i said you retard

>>502465056
I agree. If only they aren't destroying poe1, I wouldn't care.
I want to see what happened to Alva tho, but I don't need to play the game.

>>502466276
given how poe1 developed it makes sense that a lot of the playerbase would stop seeing the monsters as anything more than a diversion from the build design, trading and crafting, but for me the monsters being speedbumps devalues all of the stuff I'm supposed to want to do in my hideout.

>>502466276
if you can't see a problem with not even having to look at what the monsters are because they all die instantly from one attack then blah blah blah

>>502467143
it's an ARPG, so i see no problem with it

alright boys
what should I spend my first div on?
https://pobb.in/xPJLsC36iL58

>>502468185
a rope

>>502461304
i'm trying out ssf in the necro settlers cuck event, and i've deleted 16 consecutive necrotic armours by recombining them with a ilvl 86 base to try to raise them to ilvl 86. If I was trade, I would be one of the people paying 3x the expected cost for the crafts. I know how to craft, but Chris wills it not to happen. Before reverse chill builds were completely wiped from the game, I remember one wand craft where I missed the veiled orb mod removal 26 consecutive times, on a crafting step where it was supposed to be 50/50 of removing the one I wanted to remove. I sank more than 100 divines into a wand that would go for less than 30 in trade.

>>502468614
i have the same luck with some crafts, and it feels bad but in the end if you craft enough items you will make money

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>over 2 months to go
will the poe 2 sucks shitstorm be enough to carry on till january

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Spent some time this morning to get the free box. The game feels more fun than I remember it being. Not sure it's because I've been playing way too much d2r for my own good or if the game's actually in a good spot.

>>502470080
>>502468281
>>502466276
are you okay?

>soulslop
PoE2 is basically V Rising without the shitty forced scaling. It's gonna be FUN and (you) are going to BLAST

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>>502470436
The character effect kind of looks like a bootleg super saiyan.

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>play any other ARPG thats not PoE and it sucks

PoE2 cant come soon enough

>>502470940
Is it true your endgame there is just a bad version of PoE's?

>>502470668
>tfw got purity of ice aura effect
why cant i get good shit im never getting baited again

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>>502470940
Poo2 is explicitely not PoE so it'll suck too.

>>502471413
I'm unironically looking forward to its couch co-op on console. I'm hoping I can rope the roommates into having some fun with the new version of the game since they couldn't get into the current game.

>>502470940
the actual game and build-making/item crafting in LE are pretty good, but the entire endgame system is unplayable dogshit. it needs to be totally scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up before i would consider playing it again.

Why do people go daggers sometimes for the elemental strikes?
Is it just the crit or are the influenced links that can roll on them for squire setups different or something?

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>>502470940
>Resistances:
>Physical

>>502471413
given that only PoE1 is good, it's kind of weird that people played computer games before PoE1. didn't they realize they were all bad? how did the video game industry even develop?

>>502465286
>frostblink and leap slam in the same build
>"random" one shots
>quits after yellow maps (day 1 of the league)
you don't even know how hard you are about to be filtered by poe 2

>>502472205
1) read the comment i replied to
2) that's not how it works, but ok

>>502471939
for a 12-link setup you can use claws or daggers honestly

>>502448005
Crafting might be simpler but you will be doing a lot more crafting because there are no scourings so you have to farm a lot more bases, throw currency at them, pray, and toss if the result is terrible.

>>502472330
>comment i replied to
reddit alert

>>502471164
its worse than that

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>>502470080
The game will filter millions. Especially PoE 1 addicts who's only skill is grinding currency and buying themselves out of any challenge. Act one will filter them, and they will rage like no tomorrow. It won't take a week until they cry their eye out, begging for others to come back to PoE1. But nobody will go back, and PoE 2 will either survive this onslaught, or it will take down both games.

>>502472205
they didnt know what was possible yet so it was more enjoyable
it's like when you're doing codeine but then you do heroin for the first time and you never want codeine again

>>502472631
Don't claws have better APS?

>>502473036
>who is only skill is
esl hours

>>502472258
>day 1 of the league
it's more like day 3, because I can't sit and play the game for every waking moment just because a league started, and leagues start in the evening GMT so I just finish the campaign and log off.
frost blink + leap slam is Alkaiser.
in kalguur I found stormshroud from a shipment relatively early, when it was 7 divines, and immediately lost interest, but its my own fault for playing trade for the first time since 2018.

>>502473162
I'm not a fan of the electronic sports league.

>>502473036
just the fact that maps and bosses reset when you die is going to drive a lot of self-described poe experts completely insane.

it's happening again, poe1 shitters predicting that they will suddenly jump to being the elite in poo2 while the people who grind many hours in poe1 will suck at the game
mass delusion happening live, schizo hours

>>502473476
What you're saying is you don't enjoy the game. That's fine. But like the game is literally map for 100 times to kill a boss and repeat indefinitely.
You're not even making it to the game. You're like in the campaign then map for a few hours.

>>502473160
it's for the specific dagger enchant. you use it with vaal lightning strike and have permanent vaal uptime.

>>502474059
Aaaaaahh ok ty

>>502473476
why would you lose interest? you're barely in yellows and found a good early drop, time to buy mats, craft, and blast
what makes you think you will stick around for longer in poo2?

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I hope that it will be almost impossible to level to 100 in PoE 2. Past level 90, you should lose your entire xp bar on getting defeated. You may ask yourself why, and the answer is to drive streamers and neets nuts.

>>502474453
xp penalty is totally gone in poo2
source: recent bit of info jonathan the retard blurted out in one of the interviews
they are discussing making map device portals single use though

>>502474547
Only the hardest bosses should give xp past a certain point.

>>502473476
>finishes the campaign in 1 day but then takes 2 days to run 50 maps
you don't even recognize how retarded your lies sound because you don't play the game

Most of you guys are retards
Don't come to PoE 2 tomorrow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKLJSaDtYC8

HAVOC REDEEMED SARS

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which ones easier? I'm at like 130 delve

>>502474031
its a journey vs destination difference. if the general gameplay outside of the hideout was less one-note then I'd be more invested in playing beyond the initial new league feeling, having done all ubers in previous leagues.

I'll make the observation that on Steam, only 6.9% of players has the socket 1 voidstone achievement, half as much as the 14.9% that complete the campaign. you clearly don't think this is a problem but I think GGG disagree.

>>502475923
that's because a vast majority start the game once, open the tree and leave

>>502474296
because I've played the game since 2013 and done all that stuff before.

>>502474547
>xp penalty is totally gone in poo2

yeah but the replacement penalty is that maps only give you one chance to complete them and zones in the campaign reset if you die. I love this change but a lot of people are going to go fucking insane. I'm surprised there isn't more complaining about it here.

how dead is the Settler-Necro economy by now? thinking about rolling a viper strike PF

>>502475923
>you clearly don't think this is a problem but I think GGG disagree
I mean they're consistently making like $80 million annually in profit over the past four years even with a skeleton crew of six people.
They make more than 80% of their revenue in purchases the week before, and the first 48 hours of, a new league releasing. Shitters pay even if shitters don't play.

>>502474823
its more accurate to say in early reds, but its before I've fully completed yellows. also there are ~69 yellow and white maps combined, not 50.

>>502476413
that's an argument in favour of poe2. if the game is fun, then just like in poe1 more than half the players who log on will be content to finish the campaign, muck around in endgame for a bit, then quit until next league. that's why expanding the playerbase with dark souls memes makes financial sense. endless tier 16 grinding is the exception not the norm.

>>502476061
read my post lol.
ggg want to turn the half of players that finish the campaign but have NEVER socketed a void stone into endgame enjoyers.

>>502477089
a lot of those act completions are from before voidstones were a thing

>>502477172
So what you are saying is that poe is a pump and dump game.

>>502477593
i pumped and dumped ur mum last night

>>502477172
>Diminishing Returns
>Reach level 90 as a non-Hardcore character.
that one's at 7.3% lol

>>502475801
Prob Red Beasts, you have use 2 of those scarabs which add +10 red beasts per map + specking into bestiary in the skill tree.
Should roughly only take 20 maps to complete.

>>502477749
again, that achievement has been around for longer than voidstones

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will druid in poe be a well rounded beast?

>>502477749
>Reach level 90 as a non-Hardcore character
I don't actually have that one. I don't really play HC. Time to change that I guess.

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ahahaha
some guy in g1 reported me and declared it
dumb fuck had goon in his name and not 5 mins later was using gay as a perjorative
double reported him
he's been muted and has to change his name now and is raging

>g1

>>502477593
No that was your momma

>>502479024
PoE chat turned into a dystopian hellhole.

>>502479024
wow anon, you are a real champion. well done.

>>502478404
you don't follow.
14.9% of steam has completed part 2 of the campaign.
only 6.9% of steam has reached level 90 OUTSIDE of Hardcore.

GGG wants to retain more of the 7% of players who are motivated enough to complete the campaign but get bored and quit before level 90 and tier 16s. in many cases those people DO buy MTX and play the game every league (I do). the completely repetitive experience of softcore mapping is definitely part of the problem, GGG are trying to fix it by making the combat better, i.e. more complicated, i.e. less AFK and 1-button.

>>502480271
why would ggg care about retention? they only care about spending, and spending can happen at level 1

>>502480410
I'd bet quite a bit that players who play later into endgame in one league buy more MTX the next league. psychological investment is proportionate to financial investment.

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I reached ACT 4 and I'm like fuck this shit I'm bored
Why do we have to do the acts every single time?

>>502481421
Why do you post this transmaxxer abomination every time?

name one thing you like about settlers
ULTIMATE ETERNAL TORMENT XIII MERCILESS DIFFICULTY MODE: no currency exchange

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>>502481514
to make you seethe uncontrollably

>>502481421
anon 2014 called they want their hot topic back lulz

>>502481421
Because acts only take like 4 hours to complete, then you have five months to enjoy as the leagues keep getting delayed. Any future characters can be leveled in like 30 minutes if you buy a carry.

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>>502481421
And GGG decided it was best to make a second unskippable campaign

>>502481682
I'm just disgusted by that abomination. And maybe more disgusted, knowing that a disfigured Quasimodo guy can't even write proper English.

>>502481925
i never really had an opinion on the campaign skip until i played d4.
the campaign adds a nice sense of progression compared to several hours of level scaled content.

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If this guy can have a gf, you can too

>watching people craft suffix on gear
>prefix are filled
>they still use eldritch exalt over normal exalt
are eldritch currencies biased towards higher tier?

>>502483363
he rich

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Playing atlas's new game, are we getting fuck toy fairies alongside us to fight demons and gods in poe2?

you know it makes sense, matter fact make it a sex minion for the witch even better

i call it the coom build

>>502460021
then explain why most people pay for uber/T17 carries?

>>502484781
because they suck at the game

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>>502438025
dude pressing 3-4 buttons is not skill it is tedious,
PoE captured lightning in a bottle with making grinding actual fun by zooming through maps and exploding screens.

PoE2 looks slow and gay, the novelty of fighting a boss for 5 minutes will wear off real fast.

>>502483507
probably was just cheaper, eldritch exalts are kind of shit

>>502485159
the poe 1 campaign has a slow start, so does d2.
both of those games have giga zoom endgame, there is no reason to think poe 2 won't be the same.

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>i have to press 1 button or im not having fun

suffer you faggot

>>502484190
I don't think he is. He just has an actual job

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20 days until poe 2

>>502475923
>I'll make the observation that on Steam, only 6.9% of players has the socket 1 voidstone achievement, half as much as the 14.9% that complete the campaign. you clearly don't think this is a problem but I think GGG disagree.
the 10 act campaign was added in 2017 and voidstones were only added in 2022. there's a lot of players in those 5 years that mapped and quit and haven't played since 2022, it's not as dire as it seems

>>502485565
>shit feet
>literal stick anatomy
>shit design in general
why do you play this low effort slop?

>>502486617
its LE JAPANESE therefore its LE GOOD

>>502486671
I would usally say this but this game was ass.

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>>502485658
>20 days until poe 2
i'll kms if they fucking delay again.

>>502476605
and 12 of those are t9 and t10
you said you quit in high tier yellow maps, not my fault you don't know what words mean

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>>502486617
>>502486671
>>502486783
/v/ shilled it so i pirated it to check it out so far its had a good first hour to it, nice anime cutscenes

>>502460021
your gauntlet run?

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>>502485658
5 days till live stream too bros

>>502485134
if something requires zero skill you can't suck at it by definition

>>502487162
wtf is this stupid image

>>502486947
That will last for 3-4 more hours. Then they just didnt give a fuck anymore. And that is all a game needs to get them good journo scores.

>>502487293
I like it. You must be the problem.

>>502487293
He is a fed

>>502487558
you have autism

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>>502487293
it represents my dick in your aunty cant you read japanese?

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>>502487814

>>502483002
I think the content you play matters. Back when we had endless delve for the first time everyone really loved it as an alternative to the campaign. Then we found out you could actually level through it in the maingame on alts and that was awesome.
So GGG did the reasonable thing and removed the ability to level alts through delve and locked the atlas behind a campaign completion because fuck you.

>>502488068
kekw

>>502488068
their game, their decisions.

>>502483002
The only problem with the campaign is that you have no choice over what you do, which is the complete opposite of mapping.
I think it would be perfect if you had something like a mini atlas tree during campaign where you can spec a little bit into league mechanics, combined with an increase in difficulty which requires you to actually use the strength from those mechanics.

>stand behind tree
>die
>finally see the blue things
nice game you bald retarded faggot

>>stand behind tree
>>die
>>finally see the blue things
this post, taken completely out of context, is quite funny

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>>502488498
image

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sounds like a skill issue and why you cry about poe2 being too hard for your brittle hands desu

>>502485653
he owns a company and is doing very very well

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>>502488639
it isnt

>>502488718
honestly fuck those things

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Pure luck build bitch

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>he thinks he can take cover behind trees in this game